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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast cheeps their families wanting more.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas, joined in a virtual room

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Speaker 1: till with some heroes, Mark Cecil, Gregg Rosenal, what's up police?

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Speaker 1: I wish I was leaving wanting more. It's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: my wife says, why don't you go work a little more?

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Speaker 1: I'm leaving them wanting more. Just to confirm I I can.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that's true. Is there more of

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Speaker 1: an about face? And you you know you can see it?

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Speaker 1: Right with this podcast. Mark used to talk about your

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Speaker 1: young son saying is Daddy ever coming home? Now it's

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Speaker 1: is Daddy ever leaving home? The answer is no. Right,

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Speaker 1: we could see less of daddy and be thrilled with that,

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Speaker 1: I think would be the answer. So yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: it's it's a tough time. I saw you celebrating the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers World Series when with the kids outside they're jumping

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Speaker 1: on board with some fireworks. That's good. Let your kids

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Speaker 1: pick pick a winner for one way to go. That

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Speaker 1: was a that was a good, that was a evening.

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Speaker 1: It's good. Like if there's one thing to do, teach

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Speaker 1: your children early about the fun associated with illegal fireworks

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Speaker 1: celebrations during a drought in high wind conditions. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is weird. It's weird. You know, life is weird.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like if you took if you took your

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Speaker 1: home situation as youngish fathers of children and then you

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Speaker 1: combine your entire work life and then put it in

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Speaker 1: a house that's the size of the Potions postage stamp,

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Speaker 1: it could lead to maybe madness right on the eve

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Speaker 1: of Halloween here. So we're just put we're fighting through it,

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Speaker 1: though we did it. We're halfway through the regular season almost. Um.

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Speaker 1: And yes, this is the Week eight preview program. You

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Speaker 1: could check out. Of course the recap of Thursday Night

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Speaker 1: Football Falcons and Panther is, but this will give us

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Speaker 1: a full rundown of everything to come on Sunday and Monday.

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Speaker 1: And as everyone knows, we do a draft style and

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Speaker 1: picking first. Yes, right, I'm excited about this one. I

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Speaker 1: was gonna take this game no matter what. It's Steelers Ravens.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the best rivalry in the league

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Speaker 1: and it's a great week to kind of find out

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Speaker 1: how different this Ravens team is. I love watching Lamar

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Speaker 1: every week. You guys know that, so I'm happy to

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Speaker 1: admit they're not the same Ravens this year, and I

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Speaker 1: think this is the game we kind of find out,

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Speaker 1: game Lamar has gotta throw the ball over the top

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Speaker 1: because that's how you beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. Their secondary

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Speaker 1: has had some problems this or their cornerbacks not playing

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Speaker 1: That it's got to be Lamar to the outside. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna take a big time effort from Lamar as a thrower.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm with you, Greg, because I want to

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Speaker 1: be more impressed with Baltimore's offense in general general than

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Speaker 1: Joanna Concoquated the mix, thank you will have that player too,

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Speaker 1: As Campbell. I mean, Pittsburgh's offense has a lot of

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Speaker 1: this is a classic old school a f C North matchup.

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Speaker 1: I really do. I think that they are so ultra powerful.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin is operating like coach of the year right now,

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Speaker 1: I was against you, Greg on your Big Breeze comparisons,

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Speaker 1: we know Big Ben goes down for a lot of sacks. Right.

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Speaker 1: breezes like like good breeze two thousand, nineteen eighteen seventeen breeze.

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Speaker 1: There even earlier. But you watch that game last week, Dan,

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Speaker 1: offenses biggest test this year. Let's let's pick this game obsolutely,

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Speaker 1: know Mark is, what do you got? Greg? I took

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Speaker 1: Not a lot of respect for the Ravens. You know this.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun, all right. The draft turns to

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler coming off. Oh, I mean that lock. I'm

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Speaker 1: and let's not go ahead. You're alright? So I love

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Speaker 1: game face, not gonna acknowledge us, straight ahead, we do

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Speaker 1: not exist. And it was everything that I imagined it

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Speaker 1: would be ahead of time. It was fantastic. No one

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Speaker 1: has told Zilac that he's not on the Patriots anymore.

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Speaker 1: I want to I wanna hit the I wanna you know,

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Speaker 1: actually I want to close up this vieud hopefully between

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Speaker 1: Rosenthal and Jeremiah. But since we're talking this game Chargers Broncos,

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Speaker 1: we let's touch touch on the Broncos real quick. Here

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Speaker 1: DJ and Drew Lock another guy that a lot of

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Speaker 1: high hopes for him this season, it hasn't It hasn't

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Speaker 1: panned out. Are you worried about him watching his tape

436
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: so far this season? Well, I mean you still see

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Speaker 1: some of those glimpses. Um, he just hasn't been consistent. Um,

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Speaker 1: So I'm still hopeful there. I I kind of I

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Speaker 1: like that forty start role. Right. If we can get

440
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Speaker 1: forty starts, that's you know, two and a half years

441
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Speaker 1: worth of starts before we get a feel for a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think we know enough about Drew Lock yet.

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you guys that the most surprising thing

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Speaker 1: that I saw looking at the Broncos this week. You

445
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Speaker 1: know who's actually playing pretty good is Garrett Bowls. He

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Speaker 1: had been. He's played really well. I mean, and for

447
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Speaker 1: all the heat that he's taken um and them not

448
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: picking up his fifth year option, all those things, if

449
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 1: you look, I'll watch the cut up of all their

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Speaker 1: you know, ten plus runs, ten plus yard runs, and

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Speaker 1: if they're either running left behind him or they're running

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Speaker 1: right and cutting back and getting to him, He's he's

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Speaker 1: played really well. Last week was an embarrassment for the Broncos,

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Speaker 1: but man, they have a lot of juice on that offense.

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Speaker 1: I'm still not giving up. I'm fascinated by this game

456
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Speaker 1: because both these teams are better than their two and

457
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Speaker 1: four record, I think, and whoever wins, I think is

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Speaker 1: kind of a sneaky playoff contender because the Broncos have

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Speaker 1: a lot of juice. They're really well coached on defense.

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Speaker 1: Last week was an embarrassment, and DJ knows it's nothing personal.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, when it comes to Herbert,

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Speaker 1: what Herbert is thinking every time he's in one of

463
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Speaker 1: those little calls with DJ, you know they talked to

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Speaker 1: the radio guys. He's thinking, this guy had me below

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Speaker 1: Andrew tom. I think Andrew Thomas just gave up another

466
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Speaker 1: sack actually, and this guy has been ranked behind him.

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Speaker 1: And I do have a little problem of people jumping

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Speaker 1: in our mentions, these little DJ fan ways at our network,

469
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Speaker 1: like you got in here. They come in here and

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Speaker 1: the slippers, the slippers comment and they're like, oh, Howitzer

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Speaker 1: score one for D. I mean, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: I came in with a machine gun. He's given me

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Speaker 1: free slippers. That those things, the comfy I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 1: That is you're opening up the war. You're saying, bring

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Speaker 1: more of these people at me. I enjoy it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is this is what I've learned. You know what

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Speaker 1: I've learned. This is why my feud with Dan has

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Speaker 1: been a good training ground for this Greig, because I

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Speaker 1: made a Twitter mistake with Dan, which is I replied

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Speaker 1: with my comeback, so I replied I didn't retweet. So

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Speaker 1: when you look at it, you're like, man, Dan, Dan

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Speaker 1: hits me, and look at all the look at all

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Speaker 1: the retweets and all the mentions and all the buzz

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Speaker 1: and then I reply, and I get no juice because

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Speaker 1: if they don't follow me and Dan, they're ain't seen it.

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Speaker 1: So now I've tried to use the power of the

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Speaker 1: platform and just bring the full force of the army

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Speaker 1: at you with a retweet. So I've learned to get

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Speaker 1: those sticks listeners on your side. You know, that's that's

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Speaker 1: your army. Wow, I'm just bring not always nice. I'm

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Speaker 1: just glad to see that Sessler jumped in here because

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Speaker 1: I was wondering having been on the line where you

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Speaker 1: guys are getting ready to go on the air, and

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Speaker 1: and watching him trying to figure out something that probably

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Speaker 1: all four of my children could have figured out in

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Speaker 1: thirty seconds, how to make his microphone work. I'm just

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Speaker 1: happy Mark was able to join us for this conversation.

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Speaker 1: It was a Yeah, I'm dealing with a technical apocalypse

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Speaker 1: in my house and and times are tough, and I

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Speaker 1: you know it's there. It's the green but the red

501
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Speaker 1: button turns you off. The green button is what turns

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Speaker 1: you on. That's how That's how this whole thing works. Right. Well,

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Speaker 1: d J, you've you've equitted yourself quite well here. Good luck.

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Speaker 1: I heard you're starting up a podcast. See we'll see

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Speaker 1: how that goes. Uh, and thank you for joining the

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Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast, which also is on television. This

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Speaker 1: is great. I don't I don't speak German, so I

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Speaker 1: just hope all your fans see me there and at him. Yes,

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Speaker 1: at his time. Now for Road to Victory, presented by

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Speaker 1: the United States Marine Corps. I am up, and I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what, Mark. This used to be easier when

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Speaker 1: the brown stunk. You know, we would just leave the draft.

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Speaker 1: You always leave it to you and you go grab

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Speaker 1: him in the back of the round. But now when

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Speaker 1: I look at this slate, I can't just overlook the

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Speaker 1: best games of the week because Cleveland's involved. And I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't expect you to do the same thing with the Jets,

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Speaker 1: but we certainly don't have to worry about that right now.

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Speaker 1: So I am selecting Raiders at Browns and we can

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Speaker 1: start it out personally, Mark off Air. I just like

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Speaker 1: this game a lot. The Raiders are very kind of

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Speaker 1: hard team to figure out. This is the week where

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Speaker 1: no one cares about them or thinks that they have

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Speaker 1: any chance to compete because they did not play well

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Speaker 1: in wee eate and a lopsided loss. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: it was right before the bye that they went to

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Speaker 1: Arrowhead and spake the Chiefs. So there you go. So

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Speaker 1: you don't know which version the Raiders you get the

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Speaker 1: Browns man, they're even tougher to figure out. And uh

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Speaker 1: no Odell Beckham obviously this week or for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the season after he tours a c L. But

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Speaker 1: just a huge, huge game for Baker Mayfield. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was his performance against Cincinnati. And yes it is

534
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Speaker 1: the Bengals and you have to keep that in mind,

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Speaker 1: but his ability to you know, when he started over

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Speaker 1: five with a pick, it was all set up for

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Speaker 1: this to be the week where the coach Stefanski is

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Speaker 1: getting tons of questions about K's keen um. Instead, he

539
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Speaker 1: completes about four passes in a row and throws five

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Speaker 1: touchdowns and nobody's talking that way. So the Browns feel

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Speaker 1: like they're in a good spot there at home. The

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Speaker 1: Raiders are a team that's hot and cold. But both

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Speaker 1: these teams are kind of hard to judge right now.

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna show up when uh kickoff comes? Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: with you. I mean, it seems like we say this

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Speaker 1: every week about Cleveland, but this to me reads like

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Speaker 1: a shootout, and uh, you know Cleveland's defense. I think

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Speaker 1: they're still in search of themselves in many ways, but

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Speaker 1: I will say watching every one of their games closely,

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00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: that they're best players on defense have impacted them tremendously.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that they're anywhere close to the record

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Speaker 1: without the combination of Miles Garrett, Ronnie Harrison, and Denzel

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Speaker 1: Ward Ronnie Harrison, who they traded for earlier in the year.

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Speaker 1: You look at the two Bengals games, Myles Garrett strip

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Speaker 1: sacks of Joe Burrow completely opened the door to those wins.

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Speaker 1: Last week, Myles Garrett strip sacks Joe Burrow, It's recovered

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Speaker 1: by Ronnie Harrison, leads to a Browns field goal. The

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Speaker 1: Browns win that game by three. Week two, Garrett strip

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Speaker 1: sacks Burrow at the Bengals one yard line, it's recovered,

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Speaker 1: the brown score a touchdown. They win that game by

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Speaker 1: four points. These shootouts do not come out positively for

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Speaker 1: Cleveland unless these players on defense are creating these turnovers.

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00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: They don't do a lot well as a unit, but

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Speaker 1: they do do that. I would point to the Colts game. Also,

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Speaker 1: when Ronnie Harrison picked off Philip Rivers on a forty

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Speaker 1: seven yard pick six. They won that game by nine

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Speaker 1: and the and the Colts had the ball at the end.

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Speaker 1: So you know, for a unit that his you know,

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Speaker 1: maligned and verbally kind of taken apart by critics. Understandably

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Speaker 1: these guys and Myles Garrett. You know you mentioned a

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Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year candidate and Fred Warner, Myles

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Speaker 1: Garrett right now is the leader in the clubhouse for

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Speaker 1: that award because of these game changing plays. M I

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Speaker 1: just still go Aaron Donald, but those would be my

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Speaker 1: top two. I I love this game because there's a

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Speaker 1: lot about this season that feels familiar, and these two

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Speaker 1: teams are different. I think one of these teams is

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Speaker 1: gonna make the playoffs. I think they both have a

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Speaker 1: good chance, and so this sets up as a big one.

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Speaker 1: You're right, Mark, it sets up as a shootout. But

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Speaker 1: can Baker Mayfield keep up in the shootout again? A

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Speaker 1: lot of last week's throws where his first read well

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00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: called plays he gets to it. I think that could

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Speaker 1: be there this week again because he's playing a bad

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Speaker 1: Raiders defense. The Browns have played a lot of bad defenses,

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Speaker 1: and so I think he can keep up in the shootout.

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Speaker 1: But it got me thinking, I gotta calmp for you.

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00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're gonna like it, Mark Sessler,

589
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: you know who. Baker Mayfield reminds me of the more

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Speaker 1: and more I watch him. He's a little bit of

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Speaker 1: like uh, Kirk Cousins, with a stronger arm, like if

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00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: everything's okay and and set up for him, it's there

593
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: and he can run an offense. But it's a little

594
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: bit of a system guy. He's not gonna make too

595
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: many plays off script structure, and if the pressure gets there,

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00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: it can go a little like Haywire and there's these

597
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: little brain like just blips. But against a bad defense

598
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: like this week, he puts up a lot of numbers.

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Speaker 1: I think. I mean the comp works because you know

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Speaker 1: this the same coach operating Kirk Cousins last year, and

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00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: you see a lot of the same stuff. I thought

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00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna go like Eric Hippel or something. So I

603
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: am not that disappointed by the comp but I think

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Speaker 1: he's got a little bit more to offer in the

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Speaker 1: kind of flatir and the exciting plays that I don't

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Speaker 1: see from Kirk Cousins. But you know last week, You're

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Speaker 1: right then, was this was an important game for Baker

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00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: May because had that gone south, the questions would have

609
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Speaker 1: been ceaseless about bringing in case. And here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: because yeah, I think like a lot of people were

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Speaker 1: all on the fence with Baker this maybe this is

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00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: a shootout, but maybe there's another game where Baker doesn't

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Speaker 1: play well and then all that criticism and that question

614
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: and comes back. He's just kind of a hard dude

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00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: to figure out. Maybe he's definitely a better actor and

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Speaker 1: commercials than Kirk Cousins. That that I got. I think

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00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: he has charm, that's for sure. He's got He's got

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00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: more charisma. You know who's getting me more excited watching

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Speaker 1: him though, is Derek Carr lately? Like I kind of

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Speaker 1: trust the Jeers just as much in a shootout. He's

621
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: playing more aggressive. They threw more deep balls over the

622
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: last two weeks than they did in the first four combined.

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Speaker 1: Like they are embracing what they are, which is an

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00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: offensive team, and they're getting a lot healthier. They should

625
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: get Trent Brown this back this week. They're getting Brian

626
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Speaker 1: Edwards back. There's a lot of guys on injured reserve

627
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: who might come back for the Raiders. And so I

628
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be tough for that Brown's pass rush

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Speaker 1: to get to Derek Carr Myles Garrett needs a little

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Speaker 1: help from those other guys who are are making a

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Speaker 1: lot of money to Ogan job uh and and Olivier Vernon.

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Speaker 1: All right, that was road to Victory presented by the

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Speaker 1: United States Marine Corps and what a fine game that

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Speaker 1: will be. I'm happy about the placement in the draft there. Mark, Again,

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00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: that was not personal. You are now up after I've

636
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: taken the Browns off the board, So how do you

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Speaker 1: react to that? Yeah, I'm slightly annoyed with what you

638
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: did there, but we can you know, like you said,

639
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: we can sort that out off the air, not on

640
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,479
Speaker 1: NFL network. Um, I'm gonna go there. Is that there

641
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: are a lot of good games this week. This is

642
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: probably one of the better weeks out there. I'm gonna

643
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 1: go Rams at Dolphins. I mean, why not sign up

644
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: for a chance to see two and his first NFL start?

645
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: And I know I know that they love the idea

646
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: of giving him the bye week to prepare. But you've

647
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: got Aaron Donald on the other side. I want to

648
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: ask you, though, I think it's time that we go

649
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: and do something a little different and play one of

650
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: our favorite games from our podcast. All right, and that

651
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: is what's more likely? What more? And I'm gonna pose

652
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: a question to you, guys, Okay, what's more likely? Alright?

653
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: For this Dolphins team? The three and three Dolphins turn

654
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: ultra frisky behind the Electric TOA and snatch the seventh

655
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: wild card spot, making Greg Rosenthal's loins tingle as he

656
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: observes their rise on game pass or are A scheduled

657
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: packed with the NFC West, the Chargers, the Chiefs, the Raiders,

658
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: reveals that Miami is still basically an average outfit in

659
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: need of another big season before they start to think

660
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: about January. I like that you're kind of catching that

661
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm digging this Dolphins team again, something that's differently. I

662
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: think it's more likely that that you gotta wait a

663
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: year and uh, they're closer to eight and eight because

664
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: to me, eight and eight with this roster and two

665
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: at quarterback is a victory. And the a f C

666
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: is so deep that they're gonna need to win games

667
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: like this. But this is our first chance to see

668
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: if toa is an upgrade. I don't think enough conversation

669
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: about the change to from Ryan Fitzpatrick recognize the possibility

670
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: that this offense is gonna look very different short passes

671
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: using to his athleticism, and that there's a chance in

672
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: the long run without turnovers that actually it's better for

673
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: this Dolphins team. I'm not saying that's likely to happen,

674
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: but I think there is absolutely a chance. We've seen, uh,

675
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: justin Herbert and Joe Burrow, how ready for the NFL

676
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: they are. Now we get to start seeing if TA

677
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: is ready as well. Yeah, I'm gonna just like go

678
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: optimistic because it would be more fun that it puts

679
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: them in the race more. They're looking for the Herbert lift,

680
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: and that is capital H, capital F. And I think

681
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: it's a worthy dice roll for Brian Flores and the Dolbins.

682
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: It's like the type of move that lowers their floor

683
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: but raises their ceiling. And if and if he struggles, well,

684
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: just stick with him. That's the only mistake you can

685
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: make is if you get in your head too much

686
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: as an organization and say, oh, too has lost three

687
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: starts in a row. He's not passing very well. Let's

688
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,959
Speaker 1: get fits Magic back in there to say no, no,

689
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: no no. Once you make this move, you stay with

690
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: this move and hopefully to it hits the ground running,

691
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: you get the Herbert lift. Because if you do, this

692
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: goes from a team that's just like you said on

693
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: the periphery of the playoff race, to genuinely fun team

694
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: to watch. And guess what, listen, the Patriots are a mess.

695
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: The Bills. I know they finally got off the losing

696
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: schnide against the Jets, but they didn't play very well

697
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: in that game. There. This division is a little more

698
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: wide open than it's been in many years. Yeah, I'm

699
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: with you. I love that. Brian Floores basically said that

700
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: he told to uh, just be yourself. Don't worry about

701
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: being something else, just be who you are. And this

702
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: is an electric player. And you know, Dolphins fans sneaky

703
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: have gone decades post Dan Marino with an absolute you know,

704
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: dearth of non talent at quarterback. And I mean, you

705
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: had a nice little run there for a bit with

706
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill, but that was the old average milktoast Ryan Tannehill.

707
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: Touah is someone that could completely change this franchise for

708
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: years and years to come and change the life of

709
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: Brian Flores and every assistant coach on that team if

710
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: this thing works out. So I cannot wait to see

711
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: how this goes. Except for that outside linebackers coach. I

712
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: don't think he has any business being in the league.

713
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. I don't know um.

714
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: All right, I'll throw out of what's more likely. I

715
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: know this. What's more likely the Rams offense with Sean

716
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: McVeigh at the controls improves and gets back to be

717
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: ing UH scene as one of the NFC's best units

718
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: in that regard, or this is now a defensive team

719
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: and the Rams win because Aaron Donald Uh he leads

720
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: the way and they win a bunch of games twenty

721
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: four to seventeen. It's it's more likely that the offense

722
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 1: uh leads the way because because I think they kind

723
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: of are already. I mean, they're there ranked hire in

724
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: offense and defense in d V O A. I think

725
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: people are missing that there's not a lot of flash

726
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: on this offense. There's a lot of efficiency. Darryl Henderson

727
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: is one of the best young running backs in the

728
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: league right now. They are blowing holes open for him.

729
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: They're a team that plays at a slow play pace

730
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: rather so their yards aren't that big. But in terms

731
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: of yards per rush, in terms of yards per pass,

732
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: Jared Goff is near the top, Darryl Henderson's near the top.

733
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Speaker 1: They don't make a ton of mistakes. They're a little boring,

734
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: I'll give you that, Like it's not as fun as

735
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: those old Rams team, But to me, they're They're deadly efficient.

736
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: And yeah, they got the superstars on defense. It's a

737
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: nice combo. And I don't know if they win this week.

738
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: I think it's a coin flip game, but I'm gonna

739
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: give the win to the Rams and that the offense

740
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: does play pretty well. That's a great answer, Greg, and

741
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: you backed it up with some data. You showed the

742
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: receipts as they say, I guess it is. I'm thinking

743
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: back remember in the good old days where people gathered

744
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: and people went to stadiums and and there were no masks.

745
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: And I believe it was a Rams Vikings Thursday night game.

746
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: It was like Pete Gared Goth Sean McVeigh or. I

747
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: think this might have been early in the season, and

748
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: he's just bombing away and Brandon Cooks is streaking down

749
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: for seventy yards for touchdowns. I guess I missed that

750
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: version of the Rams offense. But there's yeah. I guess

751
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: you could say they are more efficient and as long

752
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: as they're winning, this is fine. Well, and I their

753
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: identity under Sean McVeigh is going to have to stay offense.

754
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: I loved how they played with pace against the Bears

755
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: and caused disruption with quick snaps and you know, caught

756
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: Chicago off guard. I mean, I feel like this is

757
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: part one of this new Rams offense, and maybe part

758
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: two is the second half of this season or even

759
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: next season, where you know, this is a different attack

760
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: than it was in the past. And I think that's

761
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: shows a lot of flexibility by Sean McVeigh. Um. I

762
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: think that's Super Bowl loss caused a lot of introspection

763
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: and it came out with a completely different looking attack.

764
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: I do see them go to sleep at times, though

765
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: in the passing game there's been a couple of misconnections

766
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: with golf and cup and when that's not the case,

767
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: when they're on, they're still very dangerous. But I don't

768
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: know if I can really count on them week to

769
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: week on offense yet. All Right, let's move on, Greg,

770
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: You're up next in the draft. Alright. I need a

771
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: late afternoon games, So I'm going Saints against the Bears.

772
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of complaining going on in New

773
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: Orleans right now about this defense. There's even more complaining

774
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: in Chicago about their offense. But this looks like a

775
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: get right game for this Saints defense. There's misscommunication problems

776
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: in the secondary. You know who's great to play? Uh

777
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: in a week that that happens the Bears, especially if

778
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: Allan Robinson is not in this game. He's in the

779
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: concussion protocol. There's a lot of complaining in New Orleans

780
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: that the past rush isn't really that good, that Cameron

781
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: Jordan's not getting it done, and old to first, Marcus

782
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: Davenport has been quiet until that game winning sack last week.

783
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: Don't hear people chirping about that. By the way, everybody,

784
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm not really a Saint. I'm trying to say that

785
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: you should get off Davenport. But you know what, this

786
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: is the match if they should win because the Bears

787
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: offensive line has been dreadful this season, and every defensive

788
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: line is winning against them. And that's why I feel

789
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: really confident the Saints defense balls out and they go

790
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: they gotta win on the road, And that's why I'm

791
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: locking it, waiting around and let's see. You know, we're

792
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: gonna take a look at the lock of the week

793
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: standings later. But let's give some respect to Greg. He

794
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: is seven and oh to start the season. So when

795
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: he's locking up, the Rainmaker locks a team up right now,

796
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: it's best you pay attention. Yes, you should pay attention.

797
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: Rain fallen from the sky. Can we do that? I

798
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: think I don't know if that's allowed. You know, the Bears,

799
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: there is some like Adam Gates light stuff going on

800
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: around this team. Now. It's starting to the naggy heat

801
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: is getting turned up, and they kind of need a

802
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: performance here a home game. They're coming off the loss,

803
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: but they're still obviously in great shape at five and two.

804
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: But if you if you bomb out against the Saints, uh,

805
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: then people are going to really start to ask questions

806
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: about is this a team that's about to kind of

807
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: go up in flames? Uh? So that's that's what I'm

808
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: looking for. I know, Nick Foles is never gonna turn

809
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: this into an explosive offense. They don't have a ton

810
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: of big time players, especially if their number one wide

811
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: receiver isn't involved with the game plan. But find a

812
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: way to get this offense going, Matt Maggy, because that's

813
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: what you were hired for. Well, it's I'm with you

814
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: on the Adam Gates light. And it's really just like

815
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: the issue with bad teams, where one side of the

816
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: ball is holding the entire operation hostage. I mean, when

817
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: will the in fighting begin? When will the anonymous quotes

818
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: start to filter in from the defense because they're basically saying,

819
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: we don't win games unless this defense scores points are

820
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: sets up very easy points for the offense. I and

821
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: it it becomes almost tiresome to disc gus Chicago's offense

822
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: because the narrative used to be the Mitch Robisky thing.

823
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: And they went out and they got Nick Foles, And

824
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to paint an optimistic picture, maybe

825
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: you could sign up for Nick Foles as someone that

826
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: you could have as a starter. But it's still always

827
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: felt like a patch and the patch is ripping off

828
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: and there's just a big hole underneath it, and the

829
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: hole is basically Chicago nice record to start the season.

830
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they're six and eight. At

831
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: some point, I just feel like this thing isn't heading

832
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: into troubled waters, right And when you're when you're a

833
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: great offense and a bad defense, you're you're the Seahawks

834
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: or you're the Packers. But like when you're a good

835
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: defense with a with a terrible offense, then you're the Bears.

836
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: Keep an eye on Marcus Callaway. He really impressed me

837
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: for the Saints last week. They could use another receiving option.

838
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: He's a little banged up, but if he can become

839
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: a legitimate threat week after week, then they can keep

840
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: surviving without Michael Thomas, because we still don't know if

841
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas is ever going to return for this and

842
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: we might not ever see that man again. And I

843
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: see you, I see all of you out there, all

844
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: you people that count it out and through dirt. And

845
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: Drew Breeze is grave after two weeks. And oh he

846
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: can't play anymore. He's got an arm that basically matches

847
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: as six year old and my son's zoom kindergarten class whatever.

848
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: I don't see it so much anymore. I know he's

849
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: not gonna be a deep downfield passer, but he never

850
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: really was in the first place. This guy is getting done.

851
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: He was super efficient this past week. That offense looked

852
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: really good with Drew Brees at the control. So everybody

853
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: calmed down. We'll be right back after this. Greg, it's

854
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: snakes back to you. Well, earlier in this show, you

855
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: took the Browns from Mark. I'm gonna go ahead and

856
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: take the Jets from you. You didn't see that coming early.

857
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: I like having bad games as my backup games in

858
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: the morning. If I'm gonna be focused on on Ravens Steelers, yeah,

859
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: let's just have a Chief Jets blowout as my backup.

860
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: And you know what, any game with Patrick Mahomes is watchable.

861
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: And for such a bad team that the Jets are,

862
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: they do have something to watch every week, which is

863
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: the same Donald development and whether he's gonna ever show it.

864
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: And this is a really tough matchup for him. I

865
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: think because Steve Spagnolo, if he spelled, specializes in anything.

866
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: It's cooking up these young quarterbacks. He did it last

867
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: week that Drew lock. They love showing a lot of

868
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: things before the snap, after the snap. I think the

869
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 1: Chiefs are more dynamic defensively with Bashad brelan back. He's

870
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: a really underrated cornerback. And I think if you're a

871
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: Sam Donald believer, the number one concern for him is

872
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 1: his processing time. It's his decision making, it's his slow

873
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: decision making. And maybe that's all Adam Gaine's fault. I

874
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: don't really know, but to me, that's the thing that

875
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: really hasn't moved forward. That you can just see his

876
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: mind not moving quickly holding the ball, and that's kind

877
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: of like a rookie quarterback thing, and and we haven't

878
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: seen a ton of that, and this is a really

879
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: tough matchup, I think for him in that regard, I

880
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: do wonder you look at the base numbers, you look

881
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: at the analytics, Donald's regressed in year three, and so

882
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: you if you're the Jets, you have to figure out, like,

883
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: is that on him, which it obviously partly is because

884
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: it's him, Or is did it was he broken by

885
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: a completely inefficient and um out of date and ineffective

886
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze offense. That's what they have to figure out.

887
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: He is sometimes slow, uh in the processing and he'll

888
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: miss receivers and he threw one of the worst interceptions

889
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: of his career last week. As an example, was off

890
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: his back foot into like triple coverage right before the

891
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: half against the Bills that essentially marred what was otherwise

892
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: a fairly strong first half for the Jets offense with Dowell, Donald, Dowell, Loggins,

893
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: Dowell calling the plays the offensive coordinator for the first time. So, yeah,

894
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: that's what it's all about for the Jets, figuring out

895
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: if if he is the guy, although if they go

896
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: oh and fifteen or oh and sixteen or one in fifteen,

897
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: and the decision, even if he plays well is almost

898
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: taken out of his hands and he's auditioning really for

899
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: thirty one other teams. I you can feel his career

900
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: turning if that happens, and he'll he'll be somewhere else,

901
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: and that maybe the best thing for Sam Donald's in

902
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: the end, because you know, we don't have a really

903
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: crystal clear answer to this, but what is the coaching

904
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: impact on Sam Donald's career under Adam Gates? I mean

905
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: the idea that Adam Gates has been sold to us

906
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: over the years as a as a quarterback whisperer. Well,

907
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: I don't think he's saying anything. You're not whispering any words.

908
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: Uh in in Sam Donald's here at this point. I

909
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with that team. I it's

910
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: it's a depressing watch. You want to see someone like

911
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: Denzel Mims. Uh, you know develop as well. I mean,

912
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: I've gotta wonder though, if you're Andy Reid and you've

913
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: got Levian Bell coming into this situation against the Jets,

914
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: are they cooking something up special there? Is it gonna

915
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: be one of those types of games where they really

916
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: allow him to show the Jets who he is. I mean,

917
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: the only thing is like Clyde Edwards Hilaire is tied

918
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: for second in the NFL with ten plus R brushes. Yeah,

919
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: that's saying I want that. I just this is the

920
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: game you bring in Bell be a set up for

921
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: Levian Bill, right the This the game you bring Bell

922
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: in for because you have a big lead and you

923
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: don't want a layer to be too banged up. And

924
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: you know what, Bell is running better this year. I

925
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: thought he was for the Jets um than he did

926
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: a year ago. I'm not saying he's old Levy on Bell,

927
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: but I think he's a good, useful running back, and

928
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: it with being surrounded by the talent that he is

929
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. He's obviously going to have more more production. Now. Yeah,

930
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: I just I would just like calm down with anybody

931
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: that's like, Oh, Levy on bell revenge game. The Jets

932
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 1: gave him a bigger contract than any other team would

933
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: have given him in free agency last year, and it

934
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: didn't work out because the Jets stink. But it's not

935
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: like it was like something where he needs to get

936
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: his revenge. I guess against Adam Gaze, but Adam Case

937
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to judge anybody. I mean, it's just

938
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: like you're right though, you know what's gonna happen. I mean,

939
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a huge game because that's the way

940
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: it works for the Jets, and then I'll have to

941
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: talk about it on Sunday night. But that's that's what

942
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: I'm doing you a favor. I will trade with you

943
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: after you know, we get off the air if you want,

944
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: if you want to watch the Jets, I'm not gonna

945
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: take that away from you. But maybe I'm doing you

946
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: a favor because it does feel like the Chief's offense

947
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: of stats are pretty low, like Tyreek Hills, not even

948
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: on pace for a thousand yards. Mahomes it's pretty low.

949
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: It's like, don't they need a game where they just

950
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: cut up a lot of yards? Totally not be a

951
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: fun one. Who feels the fifty burger coming on? I

952
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: certainly do. I do want I watch. I always watched

953
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: the Jets. The only time I don't watch the Jets

954
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: is when Joe Flacco is playing in adamses the coach.

955
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: If one of those is not involved, no I'll be

956
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: I'll be watching it on my own TV. But yeah,

957
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: McKay backton, he's back and healthy. I hope jameson Crowd

958
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: has involved in. Denzel Mims did look good. I will

959
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 1: say in the first half before you take you take

960
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: the Browns game away from me, but you get you

961
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: handed me the Flacco Jets era to observe on Sunday,

962
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: and it literally affected my mood and my overall experience.

963
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: You know this is not that wasn't right. I apologize.

964
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: All right. Let's by the way, the people in the

965
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: desert they are flying with this with that, that's that's

966
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: a three touchdown differential plus over there. Crazy stuff. Um Mark,

967
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: you're up. Well, I'm gonna go with a game that

968
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: I find quite interesting because this team new England. I'm

969
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: going New England. Buffalo. To me, this like Patriots team.

970
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: No matter how ugly things get. For some reason, they're

971
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: still fascinating to me. And I mean they are in

972
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: an altar. These are two offenses in a bit of

973
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: a slump right now. I mean Buffalo, you know, came

974
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: out of the gate real hot to start the season.

975
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: Not the case right now. And with the Patriots, I mean,

976
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: the Cam Newton experience that I think peaked in Seattle

977
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: um has been horrendous. He just does not look right

978
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: to me. He It's almost like it does remind you

979
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: that when you had someone like Brady in that system

980
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: who was just processing before and after the snap with

981
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: such magical abilities, that you put anyone else in there

982
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: and it's not you know, they had they had the

983
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: Hoyer Stidham disaster from a few weeks ago, and you thought,

984
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: you get Cam back, and you're gonna get Cam Seahawks

985
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: Cam and that's all gone away. We have Julian Edelman

986
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: has just had surgery today. But Julian edelmen is that

987
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: a huge loss right now? He's not been involved in

988
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: the offense on any level. I think they want to

989
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: run the ball I mean I made a joke about

990
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: it on our other episode from the week about you

991
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: know what could happen to New England. They would just

992
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: went totally into a run mode where they run the

993
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: ball like sixty five times a game. But that's not working.

994
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: And I just to me this team, like I I'm

995
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: ready to sit let this let the ship's sail on

996
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,959
Speaker 1: New England, because I think they were badly outcoached, outplayed

997
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: last week against the Niners and it revealed a roster

998
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: that's not been built. Well, well, this is the week.

999
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: I mean, this is their season right now. They lose

1000
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: to the Bills to go to in five and with

1001
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: their four games back and lost column, that's that and

1002
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: they've they've shown who they are. They win in Buffalo

1003
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: and then it's an ugly a f C East where

1004
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: you got to consider them a contender, the Dolphins a contender,

1005
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: and the Bills as a team that have serious struggles.

1006
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: Because the Bill should win this game. Sean McDermott has

1007
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: never beaten Bill Belichick, and he's got way more talent,

1008
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: he's got way more juice on offense. The Patriots d defences,

1009
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: uh struggles to me are as concerning as Cam Newton's

1010
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: because they're they're a little more surprising and you've got

1011
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: to play uh Josh Allen team who started great, but

1012
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: the last three weeks they're averaging seventeen points a week.

1013
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: The only teams that are worse than them right now

1014
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: over the last three weeks are the Patriots a nice matchup,

1015
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: the Jets, no surprise, and the Cowboys with their rotating quarterbacks.

1016
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 1: So it's like the Bills off and the Bills haven't

1017
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: been playing great defenses either. Uh, so they need to

1018
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: get going and some teams are really backing off Alan,

1019
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: making them work for these long drives and hoping Alan

1020
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: makes a mistake and gives them some chances. The Jets

1021
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: had chances to intercept him a few times. The Patriots

1022
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: need to take advantage when he gives them those chances.

1023
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: You know, this is kind of bitter sweet for me.

1024
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for years for the death of the

1025
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: Patriots as a relevant franchise in the NFL, and it's

1026
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: finally here. And the Jets are historically awful, so they

1027
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with the Patriots coming back down

1028
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: to the buddy, yeah, fats, Oh, that would be that

1029
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: would be sweet um, But you know what it's like,

1030
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: the Bills have to be the ones like if the

1031
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: Jetski do you, you're the one. You're the one that's

1032
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: got to do it. You're the one that lets everyone

1033
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: know that this didn't happen for nothing. It's the guy

1034
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: from Rocky four, the trainer, uh that was telling Rocky

1035
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: after Apollo was killed that he needs to step up

1036
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: to draw go. Well, the come on, Bills, don't take

1037
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: care of business here. This is a wounded Patriots organization

1038
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: that are they're they're they're not very strong in terms

1039
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: of personnel. They know that Tom Brady is lightening it

1040
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: up in Tampa. It's like adding more pain and misery

1041
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: around that building potentially, which I love. And the Bills,

1042
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: despite not playing very well, go win a football game

1043
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: in your building here and really really put the clamps

1044
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: on the Patriots and put them in a situation where

1045
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: you can almost stick a fork in them. Where are

1046
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 1: you gonna say, Garette, I'm just saying, I was just saying.

1047
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: I I don't have much hope. But if there's ever

1048
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: a matchup that favors the Patriots, I think this is it.

1049
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: Not just that they've won sixth straight. But the styles

1050
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: of the way they play that the Bill's defense tends

1051
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: to give up these short passes in the running game,

1052
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: give up these long drives. You shortened the game. And

1053
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense, if they do one thing well, I

1054
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: think they can just slow an offense down with their cornerbacks,

1055
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: and the Bills haven't shown they can run the ball.

1056
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: I think you beat the Patriots by just like beating

1057
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: them up. And right now, the Bill's offense and their

1058
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: offensive line, they're not really like beating anyone up. I

1059
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: would Here is the darkest timeline scenario, Sam Donald. You know,

1060
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: as the season progresses, here starts to show something and

1061
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: he takes out New England and by then Bill Belichick

1062
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: has already spoken to Cam Newton said, you're gonna do

1063
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,439
Speaker 1: a favor for me. You're gonna continue to throw interceptions

1064
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: and not touchdowns. I'm gonna set you up financially for life.

1065
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a high rise, um, you know, penthouse

1066
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,959
Speaker 1: apartment in Fox Broke for the rest of your life.

1067
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: Things are gonna look good. You gotta take a bullet

1068
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: here for me, and we're gonna reverse engineer this allow

1069
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: the Jets to beat us twice. We will go onto

1070
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: into the end of the week for Sessler, how do

1071
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: we get here again? I'm just saying, Patriots fan, Remember

1072
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: West used to like the Patriots because so that makes sense.

1073
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: He likes bad page just think he's it reminds him

1074
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: of the Browns if they ever, if they ever, you know,

1075
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: tanked for Trevor and and they got it four or

1076
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: five weeks into this thing and said, we know how

1077
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: to win, but we also know how to lose better

1078
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: than anyone. Good coaches would know how to lose a

1079
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: game better than anyone too, So Belichick secret edge d

1080
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: in okay, but Stefan gilmar by the way looking at

1081
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: his phone in between series seeing if he's been traded yet.

1082
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: Maybe Stefan dig sneaks behind him a couple of times.

1083
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: I love the Bills here. I love it just for

1084
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: the fact that they're a better team. I love what

1085
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: it represents it. That's why I'm gonna lock up the

1086
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: team from Western New York. Uh to put the Patriots

1087
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: underground for And that brings the draft over to the

1088
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: old Zeuser. Oh that one caught me by surprise. Don't

1089
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 1: you hate when that happens? All right? Yeah, you don't

1090
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: pack these brakes and then suddenly we're you know, you're

1091
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: you're scampering for Alright, let's go with um Tennessee at Cincinnati.

1092
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: How about that. Let's see how the Titans are looking

1093
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: um after a tough loss at home, but not a

1094
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: loss to hang your head over. I mean it was

1095
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: it was what it was a game where you fell

1096
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,479
Speaker 1: behind seven and then once you figure out a way

1097
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: to get a couple of stops, uh and get your

1098
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: offense on the field, you damn near tied the game.

1099
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: And a big issue for the Titans against the Steelers

1100
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 1: was third downs. They could not get off the field.

1101
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: I think Pittsburgh was thirteen of eighteen uh in that game,

1102
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: and that led to just, um, a destruction in the

1103
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: time of possession realm and that's ultimately what got the

1104
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 1: Titans beat. So I don't take that as a loss like, oh,

1105
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: time to take restock and uh, you know where what

1106
00:53:58,360 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: we think about the Titans, I still think is a

1107
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: very good team and I think they're gonna take care

1108
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: of business obviously in Cincinnati. But you know what, Joe

1109
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: Burrow makes these games interesting. This isn't watching uh, you know,

1110
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: late period Andy Dalton or who are some of the

1111
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: other Hammond Eggers that played when Dalton wasn't in Cincinnati? A. J. Mccaren.

1112
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: I think there was somebody else. I mean, I think

1113
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: their names were ham and Egg. Yeah, exactly. So Burrow,

1114
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: if nothing else, makes the Bengals fun to watch because

1115
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: he keeps it close. They lose all these close games,

1116
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: and but that's part of like the journey for a

1117
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: team figure out how to win close games. The Titans

1118
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: have played a lot of close games this year. It's

1119
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, so it would not surprise me if we

1120
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: have another close game. But ultimately I think the Titans

1121
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: get back on the winning track uh in week I

1122
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: would view the Bengals as trap game material for every

1123
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: team they play, I mean outside of maybe the upper

1124
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: echelon like Pittsburgh Ravens type teams because Burrow. The one

1125
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: thing I love about Burrow and your this is what

1126
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: takes you know, other quarterback years too to grow into

1127
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: or maybe they never do. But he sees and feels

1128
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: pressure pretty well, which you know fits well with an

1129
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: offensive line that just is a little bit above a

1130
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: total disaster. I mean, but he keeps him in these games.

1131
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: And I think it's his running ability to There was

1132
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: a play last week against the Browns where they were

1133
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: stuck in like a third and eleven scenario, and he

1134
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: just saw this open prairie land to just dart into.

1135
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: And it's like a lot of quarterbacks just don't see that,

1136
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: or they do that when they shouldn't. Um, he doesn't

1137
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: give up, give up on plays. He's a fighter. I mean,

1138
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: he is just a magician in the pocket. And I mean,

1139
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, he's not been perfect, but I think he

1140
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: is growing every week. And I wouldn't be surprised if

1141
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: he gives Tennessee a little bit of a run for

1142
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: their money, because I mean he he basically almost beat

1143
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: the Browns twice. It's their defense that forces him into

1144
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: these shootouts. Well, this is sneaky good matchup. You know

1145
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,479
Speaker 1: you mentioned the third down stand. The Titans were last

1146
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: place in third downs on defense before they played Pittsburgh,

1147
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 1: so now their last by a mile. Like it's it's

1148
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: a sneaky bad defense. Had a lot of pass rescjuice.

1149
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: My guy, Jadevian Clowney is having the worst season I

1150
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: think of his career. He's banged up, as he always is,

1151
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,720
Speaker 1: but he's not playing well through it. Remember Vick Beasley.

1152
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: Remember the Titans signed Pick Beasley, And you know last

1153
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: week Vick Beasley made a play and I was like,

1154
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Vick Beasley was the most like in terms

1155
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: of doomed acquisitions that everyone knew was terrible even before

1156
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: it started. That has to be right near the top

1157
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: of the list. It never had a chance. It's not working.

1158
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 1: And and for UM fans who don't watch the Bengals

1159
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: every week, who last saw them on Thursday night, they're

1160
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: a different team right now. I think there are a

1161
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: lot better offensively even than they were in Week two.

1162
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: Their line is playing better. I'm not saying it's great,

1163
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: but it's played better. They've had a couple of weeks

1164
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: where they protected Burrow pretty well. Tee Higgins is a

1165
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: legit starter. I mean, their first two picks looked really good.

1166
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: Um and and Zach Taylor. I think as the offense

1167
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: looking like you would you would want it to look,

1168
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: that you feel better about it. I can't tell. I

1169
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: know this is your corner, Dan, but I'm with you,

1170
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: and I can't tell if Zach's like the worst three

1171
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: and nineteen and one coach in NFL history or the

1172
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 1: best you know what I mean, because they're in every game,

1173
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: the best one coaches probably the only one. So I

1174
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: guess he's bold, But I mean I can't tell because

1175
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: they do look better. To Mark's point, I really do

1176
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: think they're improving, but they can never get these wins.

1177
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: I mean, Taylor went to the Anthony Lynn school of

1178
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: how to manage close games, because it's like, you know,

1179
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: they're in these games, but they're not winning them, and

1180
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: it's hard. I think Zach Taylor flies under the radar

1181
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I mean, where do you if

1182
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: you get to the end of the season, how do

1183
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: you assess? I think he'll be safe because of because

1184
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: of the Brown's history. I mean the Browns. I mean

1185
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: that the family, the Browns, the Bengals. Um, I think

1186
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: he'll be safe if if Burrows playing well. I don't

1187
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: think you mess with that. If we say that Zach

1188
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: Taylor is flying under the radar enough times on this show,

1189
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: will he ceased to be flying under the radar? Because

1190
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: I feel like we preface every statement about him that

1191
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: no one really pays attention to him. But it's he's

1192
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: got to find a way to win. I think some

1193
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: of these games in the back half of the season

1194
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: just insure management. You know, it's like, okay, we've seen it,

1195
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: we've seen it. Joe Burrow, by the way, is on

1196
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: pace for forty two pass attempts per game, which would

1197
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: be the most ever by a rookie UM since nineteen seventy,

1198
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: breaking Andrew Lux records. So I don't know what that

1199
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: really says. It tells us that the Joe Mixon thing

1200
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: hasn't worked out this year. It tells us that they

1201
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: believe in so much in this kid that they're handing

1202
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: him the game script and saying, let's win with you. Uh.

1203
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: And it also it does leave him in line to

1204
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: get hit a lot, which has happened. So I don't know.

1205
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: They're just they're fun to watch. But you do that

1206
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: offensive line, it scares you. If you're said having him

1207
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: drop back that many times, you know, God forbid, you

1208
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: know he gets hit and falls the wrong way? All right,

1209
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: am I up again? It's snaking to me. Look at

1210
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: the old on his heels and the biggest of them

1211
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: all spots. All right, let's grab we have any late

1212
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,959
Speaker 1: games left. No, there's gonna be a lot of late

1213
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: trading this week. Yeah, let me grab then Colts at Lions,

1214
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: um cults at lines, you know, Detroit. That was the

1215
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: win they needed. That was such a big win for

1216
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: the Lions because they've they've lost so many close games

1217
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: under Patricia. They've it's the same old Lions mentality that

1218
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: permeates the place and it sinks seasons. But being able

1219
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: to outright steal a game they had no business winning

1220
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: against the Falcons where Todd Gurley falls into the end

1221
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: zone and then Stafford runs them down the field seventy

1222
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: four yards in like sixty seconds without a time out.

1223
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: And now if they can just find a way at

1224
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: home to beat the Colts. You take a look at

1225
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: their schedule after Indian it softens up a little bit

1226
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the Lions left for

1227
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: dead earlier this year are right in the mix in

1228
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: the NFC, in the wild card race. So but let's

1229
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: see if they can do it. Because if we've learned

1230
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: one thing, and Kevin patro if he's listening, he's nodding

1231
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: his head right now, our resident line and fans of

1232
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: NFL media, lyons fan of NFL media, If we've learned

1233
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: one thing, they tend to fall on their face when

1234
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: they are presented with these opportunities. And the Colts, obviously,

1235
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: greg are not a layup. This is a very good defense.

1236
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: I know they've been kind of up and down offensively

1237
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: this season, but this will be a test for the

1238
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: Lions if they are uh, under the radar is a

1239
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: kind of a halfway decent, potentially good team. Though you

1240
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: you should be able to hold servant home. Yeah, I

1241
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: think the Lions defense has come out of their biplane

1242
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: pretty well. Uh. And and this is an offense the

1243
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: Colts that is that you should slow down. They don't

1244
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: have a running game. You're curious if the Philip Rivers

1245
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: resurgence which lasted about two quarters against Cincinnati and he

1246
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: was he was hot on the mid range game, whether

1247
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: that keeps up right now? Um, But like, this is

1248
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: a game I don't have I still were in Week eight.

1249
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: I don't have a feel of these teams, which maybe

1250
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 1: is just who they are there. This is a game

1251
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: that I know Chris Wesley doesn't want to watch two

1252
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: Dome teams. Uh, you know at ten am in the

1253
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: in the soft middle of the NFL without you know,

1254
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: really explosive offenses like That's what this game is to

1255
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: me right now. I'm gonna defend the Colts uniforms. I

1256
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: do not think they're bad, and I like the logos

1257
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: class that's fair. It's more just like when it's at

1258
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: the indoors and the lighting. I don't know, yeah, And

1259
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: I think with Philip Rivers, if what happens if he

1260
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: if he bombs out again, is there any way Greg

1261
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: that you see Jacoby Brissette play without an injury, Well,

1262
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: it have to be a just a terrible month by Rivers.

1263
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: You know, I do want I watch this Colts team.

1264
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: I do wonder like is their offensive line as good

1265
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: as everyone says it is every time they mentioned it,

1266
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: because they can't run the ball. And I don't know

1267
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: if Rivers has been protected as well as you'd expect.

1268
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: They do get Darius Leonard back, though, I think that

1269
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: the games without Darius Leonard for the Colts defense showed

1270
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,919
Speaker 1: you why he is one of the more valuable play

1271
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: defensive players in the league. They kind of just weren't

1272
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: the same And they're getting healthy and a few spots

1273
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: like Michael Pittman might be back, Comico Terray, this speed rusher.

1274
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: I like like the Cults are one of those teams

1275
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: that have a lot of guys coming back throughout the season,

1276
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: so that should make them a little bit better. They

1277
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: they should win this game. Give the Titans a run.

1278
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: I like the Lions. I think they're gonna shake it up. Mark,

1279
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: Where are you on the Lions bandwagon? By the way,

1280
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: I know you were on a bureau a donkey trying

1281
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: to catch up to the bandwagon you abandoned in week two?

1282
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: We're able to hop back on or did it pull away?

1283
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: Uh and leave you in the dust. Well, I mean

1284
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: it's it's picking up steam. But I mean you're the

1285
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: one that suggested that I was on like a slow animal.

1286
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: I I said I was gonna take a vehicle and

1287
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: follow the bandwagon, and the vehicle is swift. It's catching up. Um,

1288
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm about to jump off the vehicle kind of Indiana

1289
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: Jones style, into the back of the bandwagon and find

1290
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: a seat there. I'm firmly involved. What about the other

1291
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: people in the national media? Uh, like Amena Times, there

1292
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: are a few of you that were talking big about

1293
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: the Lions. Will they welcome you back to the bandwagon

1294
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: if you do pull off the Indiana Jones and make

1295
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: it back up. I mean, I think that we all

1296
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: experienced a pause in our fandom. Uh. I didn't hear

1297
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: a lot from Mina Kimes during that first month. But

1298
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: Mina Kimes is probably sitting up in the front seat,

1299
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: nice air condition on or I'm sure you know, getting

1300
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: snacks that drive throughs. I'm stuck in the back, So

1301
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: I gotta ways to go here. You wearing a helmet, right,

1302
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't this jump? I don't. A man in your forties,

1303
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I would be the same way. Do I

1304
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: trust my athletic ability to make the Indiana Jones leap? No,

1305
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: it's fair. It's it's a man in his forties who's

1306
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: not exercised during corona time once. So there are there

1307
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: are concerns about making that, um that move beach body.

1308
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: All right, Mark, you're up in the draft. Alright, I'm

1309
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: gonna go up Minnesota at Green Bay and and uh,

1310
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, I look back at that Bucks game that

1311
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 1: that we're Aaron Rodgers went south. The whole team did

1312
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: as just an aberration. They would they ran up. They'll

1313
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: probably meet him again in the playoffs. They ran up

1314
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: against a great defense. Thankfully, Um, you know you're up

1315
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: against the Vikings defense. That's basically said, I don't care

1316
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: what you know. I saw Matt Lafleurs. You know, this

1317
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: is still a very intriguing Vikings defense. They're strong. Come on,

1318
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: that's all lip service. They traded Yonic Negaqua. We talked

1319
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: about that. Danil Hunter is basically at a commission, and

1320
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: so you have no like what you went into the

1321
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: season envisioning, and you're thinking, if you're the Vikings, are

1322
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: chore is to deal with Aaron Rodgers twice a year

1323
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: and a bunch of other good quarterbacks. We better be

1324
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: able to rush the pastors. They can't do that at all.

1325
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the chore here is for Kirk Cousins and

1326
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: the Vikings offense to try to keep up with a

1327
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: green Bay attack that I think should have a pretty

1328
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: a pretty easy day here. And I mean, you look

1329
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: at what Davante Adams did last week. I mean, he

1330
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: is giving us the DeAndre Hopkins treatment from the old

1331
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: Houston days. I mean it's just I like this. I

1332
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: like this situation for green Bay a ton. I think

1333
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: they are maybe the second or third best team in

1334
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: the NFC. UM there for real. The Bucks game was

1335
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: something different and so keep riding Aaron Rodgers. Nothing should

1336
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: be slowing you down on Sunday. We need we need

1337
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: to see the next time the Packers have a big

1338
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: opponent how they match up, because if they don't there,

1339
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: then you're starting to ask questions about whether they are

1340
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: truly one of the big boys. But for now, just

1341
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: look at it as a blip on the radar. With

1342
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: the Vikings, It's like, I don't know. I like Mike

1343
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: Zimmer a lot, and he just got an extension. He's

1344
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, um, But how do you ask that

1345
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: coach to keep that team invested when you bring in

1346
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: Yannick and gock Way to win the Super Bowl, you

1347
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: trade him out of town. I don't think it's a

1348
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: bad trade. You're obviously one in five the opportunity to

1349
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: recoup draft capital on a veteran on an expiring contract.

1350
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: I get all that, but it's a tough message that

1351
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: sent to a locker room with this much football to

1352
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: be played. I wouldn't be totally stunned if they go

1353
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: in the tank. It's not like you have fearsome leader

1354
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: and Kirk Cousins that's gonna hold the locker room together.

1355
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: This could turn into train wreck territory for the Vikings.

1356
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: You're You're right, and I do think it's like it's

1357
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: personal accountability. It's like you're playing for your paycheck. That

1358
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: that's what I think is motivating players and and a

1359
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: lot of people more than anything is you're playing for

1360
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: your careers. I get it. Like I'm just saying, if

1361
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: everyone takes personal accountability, I don't think their effort level

1362
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: has been their problem. It's the fact that they have

1363
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: no pass rush and their cornerbacks have been young and terrible,

1364
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: and by the way, they're banged up this week, so

1365
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: it's like a terrible matchup. But people, you need to

1366
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: have a group of players that take accountability and the

1367
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: ones that don't. It's like you gotta get rid of

1368
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: those players at some point. And so you do learn

1369
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,479
Speaker 1: a little bit about that, and you're gonna learn something

1370
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: about Kirk Cousins because remember I said Baker is morphine

1371
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: into kirk Cousins. Well that the kirk Cousins um, you

1372
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: know body is only available because Kirk Cousins is now

1373
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston. I don't know how it happened, but kirk

1374
01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: Cousins exactly on pace for thirty three touch stuns and

1375
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: thirty interception with the Jamos Winston stats from a year ago,

1376
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: his favorite stat of the year. Kirk Cousins tells you

1377
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: who he is with his first throw of the game.

1378
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: He throws an interception that you never saw coming and

1379
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,479
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, it's gonna be one of those Kirk Cousins.

1380
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: That's Jamis Winston's move. Who throws deeper on a higher

1381
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: percentage of throws than anyone in the NFL out of

1382
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: nowhere this year. That's Kirk Cousins. That's famous Winston's move.

1383
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: It's been some sort of freaky Friday that he's on

1384
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: pace for thirty thirty. I had no idea it had

1385
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: gotten to that point. And that was like the one

1386
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: thing with Cousins, like love him or hate him, and

1387
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: it's always been like, yeah, Cousins puts up the numbers,

1388
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: but then in prime time or in the playoffs, you

1389
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: know he's gonna lay down this new version where in

1390
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: addition to you having all those other concerns about what

1391
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: happens when the lights are on, uh, that he's just

1392
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: like a total winston Ian mess. That is that's the

1393
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: stan to be fair, I as someone who always defends Winston.

1394
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: There's the good and the bad. I mean games like

1395
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: this where your defense isn't gonna show up. It's like

1396
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: he'll probably put up a lot of garbage time points,

1397
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: will put some fantasy points up. It'll be like thirty

1398
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: eight to thirty at the end. Then you'll have a

1399
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: little bit of fun at least. I do wonder if

1400
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson winds up being I know, because the quarterback situation,

1401
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: he probably doesn't have a shot. But this is an

1402
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: offensive Rookie of the year tight performance from Justin Jefferson.

1403
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he his numbers have been incredible every week.

1404
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: Take him off the offense, and what is Kirk Cousins then,

1405
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that is one thing to build on. I

1406
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: would wonder if Kirk Cousins, you know, I just look

1407
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,759
Speaker 1: at the salary stuff. But I mean, is he still

1408
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: in their long term plans? I mean, this feels like

1409
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: a team heading into a pretty ferociously build at least

1410
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: on one half of the all I have I have

1411
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: an answer what I think is going to happen. At

1412
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: least his new extension gave him one more year of

1413
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: guaranteed money after this year. That was it. It was

1414
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: basically a one year attack on so you draft someone,

1415
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: you have cousins there next year, and that's either it

1416
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: or you just evaluate how it goes. But I think

1417
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: next year is like out there. But it's like that

1418
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: one year is at high level starter money, right, It's

1419
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: like the extension, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

1420
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: What he gave them in the first two years. Were

1421
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: they really going in the right direction with him? I

1422
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: guess you did it to keep the peace and all that,

1423
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: But I don't know, Man and Greg, you seem to

1424
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 1: your your body language. My take on the Packers no

1425
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 1: reason to worry about them until they lose against the

1426
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: big team again. Are you either completely confident in them

1427
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: right now or do you see them as a bit

1428
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 1: of a flawed contender. Well, I haven't been a fan

1429
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: of their defense, but I'm not going to kill him

1430
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: for that one game. I think it was a matchup

1431
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 1: game where the Bucks defense just won that. And they're

1432
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: just so good when they can put up the points

1433
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: they do without Aaron Jones on the field, or without

1434
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: David Bactieri or without Davante Adams at points of season,

1435
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 1: like I trust them to be in it against the

1436
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: NFC contenders because their offense will be too good. All right,

1437
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: good stuff. Let's close up the draft and hit the

1438
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: primetime games. Good draft, guys, good stuff. I enjoyed it. Draft. Um,

1439
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: let's start with Sunday Night Football Dallas at Philadelphia Modewn.

1440
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't need to dwell on this. We

1441
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: we were. We were banging on about with Connie Fox

1442
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: on Tuesday Show, how we gotta stop it with these

1443
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: primetime games and nfcas because it feels relentless. And then

1444
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,799
Speaker 1: I sent a link to you guys story I read about,

1445
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: you know, television ratings and like the Arizona Seattle game

1446
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: from last week did a third or two thirds of

1447
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: the audience that some random NFC East game did the

1448
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: year before. And that's what it ultimately comes down to.

1449
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: People watch these teams, so we just have to swallow

1450
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: it and deal. But Benny, the new team might be

1451
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: playing in primetime. That's where we're at, Mark, Benny the

1452
01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: Lucci who's taking a lot of snaps this week. I

1453
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: think part of the reason that the ratings will still

1454
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: skyrocket is because it's a little bit of a Patriots factor.

1455
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 1: I mean, people, big chunks of the country love watching

1456
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: a Cowboys team um spinning into total chaos. And it's

1457
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,719
Speaker 1: pretty amazing where we are now with this team compared

1458
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: to where we were three or four weeks ago. Where

1459
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean, how many people on their fantasy squads have

1460
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott and Ceedee Lamb and guys like this, thinking

1461
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna ride these guys into your championship round.

1462
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: They've all gone mute. They've all been muted, and the

1463
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: offense has completely fallen in on itself. The defense is

1464
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: a total disaster. It's hard to watch. The chaos thing

1465
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 1: has its limits though, Like it's a good conversation during

1466
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: the week, but when you actually have to sit and

1467
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: watch the team and they're getting beat three by the

1468
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: Washington football team, I don't get much joy out of that.

1469
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't They would have flex this game out if

1470
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: if Dalton had been hurt the week before and given

1471
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: them time that they knew Ben Denucci was starting this game,

1472
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: they would not have put Ben de Nucci in prime time.

1473
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 1: I believe that, and I've you never see the Cowboys

1474
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: get flex that, but I think they would have just

1475
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: for the good of like the the NFL because all

1476
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: you gotta do is blitz this line into oblivion. They

1477
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: were the worst team in the NFL with Andy Dalton,

1478
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 1: and it's just opposing defensive coordinates are just blitz blitz, blitz,

1479
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: blit blitz against this terrible offensive line. Now you're gonna

1480
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,879
Speaker 1: do that against de Nucci with a pretty good defense.

1481
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,480
Speaker 1: I think the last five minutes of that Giants Eagles

1482
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: game will go down as the most important um five

1483
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: minutes in the NFC East this year because the Eagles

1484
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: snuck that game out and now the reserves are coming Dallas,

1485
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: God or maybe maybe not this week we'll see Jalen

1486
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: reagor Miles Sanders, Jason Peters like they're coming back. The

1487
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: Eagles snuck out that win. Now they get you know,

1488
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: de Nucci, and they're they're gonna be a real team.

1489
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 1: They're gonna say there, I think they can get to

1490
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: eight wins something like that. They'll be a real team,

1491
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: and that will just be the NFC. You're right, they've

1492
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: got Dallas, they've got there By, they've got the Giants.

1493
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: Take care of business. Your four four and one and

1494
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: and then and some of the jokes about the NFC

1495
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: East will stop applying to Philadelphia. But if you look

1496
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: at the rest of their schedule, they're gonna have to

1497
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: be a legitimately good team. But they're getting they're getting

1498
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 1: a lot of players back. That's that should matter. I

1499
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: like uh, I like watching Carson Wentz this year because

1500
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: it's so frenetic and all over the place. And post

1501
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: fifty four Carson Wentz, you know those last six minutes.

1502
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 1: I was on a text chain with Giants fans Thursday

1503
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: night last week, and uh, I said, watch out, guys,

1504
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 1: this guy he might get you in these lass six minutes.

1505
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: And sure enough, he throws two touchdown passes, throws for

1506
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty seven yards, and steals that game away.

1507
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: And he still has stretches where he's misses open receivers

1508
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: and throws a bad pick. But then the last couple

1509
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 1: of weeks, you see it. You see that guy is

1510
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: still there and he's making plays, and like Greg said,

1511
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: got it returns they start getting some guys back. Jalen

1512
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: reagor um this idea that the NFC East will be

1513
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: one by a team that's gonna go with six wins

1514
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: or something. I wouldn't stun me if the Eagles right

1515
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: the shipping. They're not gonna go crazy, but eight seven

1516
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: and one and that's like, okay, that won the division.

1517
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: That's where rat though, this is real bad. If if

1518
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,719
Speaker 1: the Eagles somehow blow this game, if Benny Delucci goes

1519
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 1: off and they lose this game, this will be the

1520
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: lowest the NFC East. We might already be there, but

1521
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: like the darkest moment for the NFC East. If there's

1522
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: an ugly like twelve ten game, Uh do Nucci wins?

1523
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if that happens, I would say, put our

1524
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: podcast on pause and and dial in Philadelphia talk radio

1525
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,759
Speaker 1: as soon as possible. Very true. All right, Finally, Monday

1526
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: Night Football another NFC Ah. The New York Giants play

1527
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: host to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So at least you

1528
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: get the national stage here for the Bucks, who are

1529
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: the last three weeks or so, maybe even you go

1530
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 1: big further. Uh really, since that Thursday night game, which

1531
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: is a little funky, the one they lost to the

1532
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: Chicago they've been the best team in football, and the

1533
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: last three quarters against the Packers were dominant and then

1534
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 1: they just absolutely opened up a can of whip himy

1535
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: uh in we in week eight against the Raiders. So uh,

1536
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: there's no reason to think that Tom Brady, who will

1537
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: You know, He's played enough primetime games and enough playoff

1538
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 1: games to last several lifetimes for many players. So it's

1539
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 1: not like this moment is gonna be any different from him.

1540
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: He's just gonna continue to thrive, I think. And I'm

1541
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 1: looking to see if this Patriots offense greg keeps on

1542
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:41,440
Speaker 1: firing excuse me, Bucks offense keeps firing on all cylinders

1543
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: against the Giants team, which doesn't have a terrible defense

1544
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: but probably will be no match for Tampa. Yeah, I don't.

1545
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: I think the Bucks offense matches up beautifully even without

1546
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin. You know what the Giants defense has done

1547
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: pretty well without great personnel is slow teams down, make

1548
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: them kick field goal, make them work down the field,

1549
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,560
Speaker 1: and you know, see if the exposing quarterback makes a

1550
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 1: mistake like that's Tom Brady eats that for breakfast. Joe Judge,

1551
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: the former Patriots, maybe he has an idea how to

1552
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: slow down tom Brady after being with him all that.

1553
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it matters because he doesn't have the

1554
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 1: players the Bucks offensive line. I'm just gonna keep hammering

1555
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 1: it might be the best offensive line in the league.

1556
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: You have Tom Brady with the best offensive line in

1557
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: the league. He had he got touched one time in

1558
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: forty nine dropbacks last week. One QB hit almost a

1559
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: Gholston on forty nine dropbacks for Tom Brady. And there's

1560
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 1: no reason to think the Giants pass rush is gonna

1561
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: get there. And Gronk moving better is a real thing.

1562
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: I think I'm putting this he he's in the moving

1563
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: better in October than September. All Star Team. I might

1564
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: have to do this as a a written segment or something.

1565
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: Guys who are you know, guys improved during the season.

1566
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: It happens sometimes they don't start too well. James Conner

1567
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:56,679
Speaker 1: is another one that comes to mind, and they play

1568
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: they look a lot better in October. They really the

1569
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: Bucks are shy mining and evolving weekly. And it's it's

1570
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: I you know, you think about watching football like we

1571
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 1: have for thirty years, and it is. It can't be

1572
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 1: overstated how fascinating of a case study it is for

1573
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 1: Tom Brady to go into a completely new offense um

1574
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: at his age and what he's done, and you know,

1575
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks you kind of wondered what

1576
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,839
Speaker 1: you were dealing with. But this feels like a legit

1577
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: um raging jugger not and I don't I'm not sure

1578
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: who's gonna stand in the way. It's not the Giants.

1579
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: And of course with the Giants, we've got Will Hernandez,

1580
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: who um is on the COVID list right now. We'll

1581
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: see what else happens with that. But that's that's part

1582
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: of your offensive line, trying to protect Daniel Jones character

1583
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: who is not throwing the ball deep. Well, well, it's

1584
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: just something. I just feel like the shine is off

1585
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. I was so excited about him and the

1586
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: whole offense going into this season, and it's just not

1587
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: materialized to the point where if you're a if you're

1588
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: a Giant Um front office executive, of any of them

1589
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 1: are even there after this season, You've got to take

1590
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: a hard look at that situation at quarterback, depending on

1591
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: who else become is available, give him some time. I mean,

1592
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, Daniel Jeremiah just on the show, he talked

1593
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 1: about how you want to give a quarterback about two

1594
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: and a half seasons, thirty starts or so um that

1595
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 1: that seems fair, but you have to wonder, and I

1596
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: crossed my mind, having grown up in New York and

1597
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: knowing how the media operates there and just you know,

1598
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: covering this hour league long enough, if Jones and like

1599
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: this entire era of Giants football is going to be

1600
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 1: remembered for the would be breakaway touchdown run that was

1601
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 1: ruined by that the turf monster, because it wasn't like

1602
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: the butt bumble or anything like that, but it was

1603
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 1: a cut type of low light that can define a player.

1604
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: And if he's lucky, he has a long career and

1605
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: it becomes just something people remember, but it's it doesn't

1606
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 1: stick with him. But if if this doesn't work and

1607
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 1: then they go and they sweep out the Dave Gettleman

1608
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 1: regime and totality, we'll all remember Jones's on and then

1609
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: how it ended so cruelly as kind of this was

1610
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: Giants football in this time. It was that it was

1611
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,759
Speaker 1: that way and oh not for nothing, And Giants fans

1612
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: who are listening screaming at the podcast that still believe

1613
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: Danny Dimes. Evan Ingram catches a football on third down

1614
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 1: there falling and that's just the way sports are. It sucks,

1615
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: But Evan Ingram has been killing him this year with

1616
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: drops and not being able to step up his play,

1617
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: and that was I mean, that was a season ruining drop. Potentially, well,

1618
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: Danny Dimes has played better the last two weeks. I

1619
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: thought he played very well in that game. Um the run.

1620
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: It's funny. It points out the thing that people don't

1621
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 1: notice that Danny Danny Dimes is one of the fastest

1622
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league. He does not have the running instincts,

1623
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 1: so I'm not putting him anywhere near the top five rushers. Um,

1624
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: but he's got speed, he's got good throws. I think

1625
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: he's played pretty well the last couple of weeks. That

1626
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 1: Thomas is killing them. I mean, you take a tackle

1627
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: number four overall, to me, that's that's a bigger Gettleman indictment.

1628
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: If that doesn't turn around, then anything, especially uh, when

1629
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: you got Jeddrick Wills and and you're you're in McKay

1630
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: Beckton and justin Worst they all happen to be hitting

1631
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: like the top tackles. They're supposed to be four great tackles.

1632
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: Three of them look amazing. One of them is getting

1633
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: Danny Dimes killed. Yeah, and you don't have tackles that like, oh,

1634
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: in year four, this first round tackle evolves into a

1635
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,680
Speaker 1: functional tackle. I got one for you, though, DJ. Just

1636
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: DJ just brought up Garrett Balls, who we've kind of

1637
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 1: killed for two years. He's been incredible this year for

1638
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: the Bronco. But I would look at like you look

1639
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: at the Joe thomas is and the McKay Beckton's, it's

1640
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: like you kind of know right away that they're your

1641
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: functional starters. I'll tell you one reason you're not gonna

1642
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: get a Daniel Jones, uh seventy yards scamper that ends

1643
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: up in dirt. I'll tell you right now. Devin White.

1644
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,759
Speaker 1: I thought the game he played last week was amazing,

1645
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: and there's a couple of things he does athletically closing

1646
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: speed to blow up guys in the backfield from like

1647
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: eighteen yards away. There aren't that many players that can

1648
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: do that. And so there's this defense is just so

1649
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: functional in their in their studious and they're kind of

1650
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 1: remind me of the offense kind of growing each week.

1651
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,799
Speaker 1: And think about the butterfly effect. Just circling back to uh,

1652
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: Tom Brady before we um close things out, I think

1653
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: back to about entering Week sixteen of last year, the

1654
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 1: Patriots with with Brady, we're steaming towards another UM playoff

1655
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 1: by and obviously the a f C East title over

1656
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 1: in Tampa. Jamis Winston had been up and down as

1657
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: the oases, but it was up enough where I remember

1658
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians clearly remember Arians, or they're being a report

1659
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: out there entering week sixteen. I think it was ahead

1660
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: of a Saturday Football UH week Week sixteen game for

1661
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 1: the Bucks. You know, he's not going anywhere. Winston's still

1662
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 1: the guy. Then Winston totally bombs out in that Saturday game,

1663
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 1: bombs out again in Week seventeen with the pick six

1664
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: to end the season, and all of a sudden they

1665
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 1: sour on him finally. Meanwhile, with the Patriots, they lose

1666
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: Week seventeen to the Dolphins, lose the by, then go

1667
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 1: to UH and lose the game to the Titans, and

1668
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: that sours the situation in New England and page the

1669
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 1: way for the divorce of the Patriots and Brady. All

1670
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: these things had to conspire together to get Tom Brady

1671
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 1: now in Tampa with the best offensive line of football,

1672
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 1: with all these skilled players, with Bruce Arians butterfly effect. Man.

1673
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 1: But I've got I've got it. Addistance for you on

1674
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 1: this one too, The Raiders, John, you know the Bucks

1675
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 1: did it to you again, John Gruden. If Jamis Winston

1676
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: hadn't played that well, tom Brady's leaving New England. No

1677
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 1: matter what I'm can, I'm a hundred percent convincing that

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Speaker 1: he'd be he'd be a Las Vegas Raider, the Raider.

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Speaker 1: I'd be lighting it up with Tom Brady. That's what

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Speaker 1: I That's what I bet. All right, good stuff, good stuff.

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Speaker 1: We'll we'll be back on Sunday night to recap every

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Speaker 1: game we just broke down. And yes, if you catch

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Speaker 1: this um during the weekend or a little later, just

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Speaker 1: know that the Thursday night recap also where we go

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Speaker 1: to go over Panthers and the Falcons. Okay, there we go,

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Speaker 1: got it out? Does Day have to sign it out? Four? Uh?

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Speaker 1: The Old Boss, the Quiet Storm, Daniel Jeremiah, thank you,

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Speaker 1: buddy for stopping by Still Sunday