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Speaker 1: The envelope please, and the award goes to a bird gang.

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Speaker 1: It's that time of year, time for the annual Cardinals Awards.

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Speaker 1: Got both Danny Surrek and Zach Gershman joining me to

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Speaker 1: discuss the twenty twenty five winners. Some good debates and

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Speaker 1: remember there are no wrong answers unless they're different from mars.

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode nine seventy and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Poona Baker, what Heart?

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Speaker 1: What rent?

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Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast visit Azycardinals

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Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast.

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Speaker 3: Right up the five hit the ends up for the

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Speaker 3: Cardinal touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Drey McBride, he's been an absolute monster.

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Speaker 2: Here's Craig Griolo.

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Speaker 1: So we don't do this often. Typically Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 1: is with two but four special occasions, and this I

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Speaker 1: would think would be a special occasion about Cardinals Cover three,

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Speaker 1: because the three of us did this. Zach, you have

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Speaker 1: a better memory than I do the past, last year,

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Speaker 1: old last year only. Okay, so this is the second annual.

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Speaker 3: Second annual not the worst annual.

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Speaker 4: First annual does not exist. If anybody wants lesson there,

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Speaker 4: it's not possible it's first or inaugural, because annual implies

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Speaker 4: it happens every year, and if it's the first, it

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Speaker 4: hasn't happened every year.

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Speaker 3: And you got educated.

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Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 1: We will do this every year, So the second annual.

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Speaker 4: That's fine.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals cover three here. As we discussed the annual Cardinals Awards,

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Speaker 1: and this is posted up on Easycardinals dot com. Did

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Speaker 1: not only see how the three of us voted, but

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Speaker 1: everyone thirteen voters in house, talent, broadcast team, talking heads,

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Speaker 1: six category. We'll get it all of them. I do

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Speaker 3: I could tell you this just all right off the bat.

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Speaker 3: So let's go through the voter list. It's obviously the

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Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, he was given the All Pro. But he

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Speaker 3: You know, you have the pieces, Danny, it's just a

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Speaker 3: agency acquisition that gets the vote, or it's a rookie.

436
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Speaker 3: Walter Nolan had two votes. Will Johnson earned the vote.

437
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 3: Michael Wilson earned the vote from Rob Frederickson. And the

438
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Speaker 3: reason for that was because he was basically a newcomer

439
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 3: and two a new person, new role on the scene.

440
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Speaker 3: How he was able to come in Now, that's the

441
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Speaker 3: fun part of all this is you get to really decide, well,

442
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Speaker 3: what is really a new company, what is really beyond

443
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Speaker 3: the box score player of the Year, So in this case,

444
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Speaker 3: I was actually thinking between Kalays Campbell. I knew my

445
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Speaker 3: vote was going to be Josh Sweat for defensive Player

446
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Speaker 3: of the Year. My vote though, was between Kalays Campbell

447
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Speaker 3: and Will Johnson because I think it's been impressive to

448
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Speaker 3: see what the rookie has been able to do. And

449
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Speaker 3: then the internal discussion in my head was, well, should

450
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Speaker 3: it be Will Johnson? Should it be Denzel Burke? Because

451
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Speaker 3: Denzel Burke also played really solid ball there on the

452
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Speaker 3: outside led the teammate interceptions, so I thought that he

453
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Speaker 3: was somebody that could be of note. But I do

454
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Speaker 3: think the point that you were discussing there, Craig, about

455
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Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett and his ability to slide in. You never

456
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Speaker 3: want to see your newcomer of the year being the

457
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Speaker 3: quarterback when you already have a franchise guy in Kyler Murray.

458
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Speaker 3: But injuries happened, and what is somebody going to do

459
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Speaker 3: to step up and what do we make a play?

460
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Speaker 3: And Danny in this case, it was Jacoby stepping up,

461
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Speaker 3: taking the most of his opportunity.

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Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I didn't give an award to Jacoby Brissett.

463
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Speaker 4: And that's not because he didn't deserve it, and it's

464
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Speaker 4: just how things kind of shook out for me and

465
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Speaker 4: my decision making process. You have a good point, Zach,

466
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 4: of you never want to see your backup quarterback. This

467
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 4: is proof though, that having a solid backup quarterback makes

468
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Speaker 4: a difference. And it was arguably the most important free

469
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Speaker 4: agent acquisition that general manager Money alsin Fort made last offseason.

470
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Speaker 4: And we've given a lot of flowers to Kalais Campbell

471
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Speaker 4: and Jacoby Brissett. And while they might not have won

472
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Speaker 4: a lot of games with Bersett, you certainly didn't lose

473
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Speaker 4: games because of Berset, and not to excuse that he

474
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Speaker 4: was playing behind a beyond decimated offensive line that at

475
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Speaker 4: the end of the season had one player standing from

476
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Speaker 4: what they wanted their starting offensive line to be. At

477
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Speaker 4: the beginning of the year, they had no running backs.

478
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Speaker 4: They were on their fifth and sixth running back. The

479
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 4: Cardinals essentially had no run game, and when Arvin Harrison

480
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 4: Junior got hurt shortly after Brissett started starting, every defense

481
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 4: knew that all you had to do was really focus

482
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 4: on fourteen and eighty five. Yet this offense still find

483
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 4: found a way to again not win, but be productive

484
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 4: and move the chains down the field and do some

485
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 4: good things. When you mentioned Burssett opening up Michael Wilson's game,

486
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 4: there's nuance to that of Bursett and Murray play a

487
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 4: very different game, very different skill sets, and Murray's able

488
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Speaker 4: to use his legs and he's able to extend plays

489
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Speaker 4: and create opportunities. Because of that, Brissett's going to stay

490
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Speaker 4: in the pocket, he's going to hang on that bottle

491
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Speaker 4: the very last second. He's going to let those routes

492
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Speaker 4: fully develop, and he's going to take a hit. And

493
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Speaker 4: there's pros and cons to both ways that the game

494
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 4: is played. But that's how Wilson's game was truly unlocked,

495
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 4: was that extra time and allowing those things to truly progress.

496
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Speaker 4: Brissett really did a nice jobs. It's not easy. I mean,

497
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Speaker 4: I've never played back a quarterback and quarterback in the NFL,

498
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Speaker 4: but I can't imagine it's easy to come and not

499
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 4: have a lot of reps with the starters and to

500
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Speaker 4: almost seamlessly fill that role and not see a significant

501
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 4: drop off. So there are props two percent out. Even

502
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Speaker 4: though he was not one of my selections this year.

503
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Speaker 1: I like the distinction. Might not have won a lot

504
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Speaker 1: of games, but you didn't lose games because of Jacoby Brissett.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into beyond the box Score Player of

506
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Speaker 1: the Year, I do want to give an honorable mention

507
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Speaker 1: or Newcomer of the Year. It's something that Danny and

508
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Speaker 1: I discussed. I think it was maybe off air. I

509
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Speaker 1: don't know if it was on air. Newcomer of the Year.

510
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Speaker 1: AQ Shipley big shoes to fill in the radio booth,

511
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Speaker 1: did an excellent job. Loved the film room. Now again

512
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Speaker 1: this is on the field, not off the field. But

513
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Speaker 1: I just want to make a mention how I think Aq, again,

514
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Speaker 1: you're filling in for Ron Wolfully who did it for

515
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Speaker 1: two decades. I thought it was a seamless transition, and

516
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Speaker 1: then I loved what he did on Cardinals Game Plan

517
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Speaker 1: with you and Paul Danny as far as not only one,

518
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: but then elevating film room to a level that we

519
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: haven't seen in a long time, really diving into what

520
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: guys were doing, how guys were able to make a play,

521
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Speaker 1: get open and really dissect from the All twenty two film.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and for those listening who are confused, Cardinals Game

523
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Speaker 4: Plan our weekly TV show with the head coach, and

524
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Speaker 4: then film Room is a weekly feature where Aq breaks

525
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Speaker 4: down certain plays and how they kind of came to

526
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Speaker 4: be and you can find those on YouTube or Easycardinals

527
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Speaker 4: dot com.

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Speaker 1: Goad to have Aq in the building.

529
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Aq has been awesome, except for the fact that

530
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Speaker 3: he doubled up here, which is against Craig's whole belief

531
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Speaker 3: but just.

532
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Speaker 1: My personal feeling.

533
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Speaker 3: But yeah, look, Aq has been awesome. It's not easy

534
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Speaker 3: for anybody to slide into the sort of role nobody else,

535
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Speaker 3: nobody can replace Wolf and the type of spark and

536
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Speaker 3: the wolf isms that are out there. But Aq, I

537
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Speaker 3: thought he doesn't need to replace Wolf. It's that he

538
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 3: needed to be Aq. And it's not easy to get

539
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Speaker 3: thrown into the fire and right way, get right thrown

540
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Speaker 3: right into it. But he did a pretty spectacular job,

541
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Speaker 3: So a kudos to him, and he helped you know,

542
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: Josh Sweat with Newcomer of the.

543
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Speaker 1: Year beyond the box Score Player of the Year. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is as we define it, more so than just

545
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: the numbers the stats. What a guy does on the field,

546
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't have the numbers to back it up,

547
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: like an offensive lineman or an interior defensive lineman. But

548
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: what are you doing on the team, on the field

549
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: and even off the field to better the team.

550
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that beyond the box score, it is another tie,

551
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: and it's I hate doing it like this, but it's

552
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: a tie between Kalays Campbell and Michael Wilson. The other

553
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: reason why I say I hate doing it like this

554
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 3: is because and he sees it where there hasn't been

555
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: much optimism, you kind of lean on the people that

556
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: have been that you have had a lot of good

557
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: stuff coming from and I think both on the field

558
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: off the field, you've had a lot of spectacular work

559
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 3: coming from Kalais Campbell and Michael will So I was

560
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 3: hoping I had my vote, and my vote was Kelvin

561
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: Beachum I wanted Beach, and Beach was one vote away

562
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Speaker 3: from winning it. I just think what he's been able

563
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 3: to do sliding into that right tackle spot and seeing

564
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: what he's been able to do in the community. Obviously

565
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: the Cardinals nominee for Walter Payon Man of the Year,

566
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Speaker 3: he was my vote. He was my vote.

567
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 4: Michael Wilson vote. I'll be honest, it seems like a

568
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: somewhat lazy take because he was incredibly impactful when you

569
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Speaker 4: look at the box score, correct, that's why I'm thinking.

570
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Speaker 3: So I'll give you so I'll give you the reasoning

571
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 3: for it. AQ said, not even close. Became a star

572
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: and that was essentially that. And then Darren Urban gave

573
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Speaker 3: it to Michael Wilson and he said, here, yes, he

574
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: fills up the box score too with his first one

575
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,239
Speaker 3: thousand yard season, But it was the rest of it.

576
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 3: The willingness to be the blocking guy early in the season,

577
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Speaker 3: the understanding he might not be the first target even

578
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Speaker 3: after he got white hot, the team first mentality that

579
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Speaker 3: wins this honor in my view, so that's why he

580
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: was able to get it. Kaleis Campbell earned the honor.

581
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: Rob Frederickson talked about his leadership. He said, but this

582
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: old dog could still hunt talked about his ability to

583
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Speaker 3: block some kicks and was always talking about how he'll

584
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Speaker 3: probably go down as one of the greatest to ever

585
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: do it wearing the Cardinals uniform and go up on

586
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: the ring of honor. Kent Summer said he was a

587
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: mentor and everyone could go up to him from everything

588
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: from good nutrition to managing your four oh one, Okay,

589
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: So I understand, you know, some of the votes, and

590
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Speaker 3: the reasoning is we were talking about, you know, you're

591
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: kind of starting to lean on some of the people

592
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Speaker 3: that you could rely on to make a big time play,

593
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 3: but also good people in the locker room. Some of

594
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Speaker 3: the other people that did receive votes. I mentioned Kelvin Beacham,

595
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Speaker 3: he had two votes one away he would have been

596
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Speaker 3: it would have been three, and he would have earned it.

597
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: Walter and Owen the third earned the vote. I think

598
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Speaker 3: just basically because of his ability to make plays in

599
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: such a short amount of time. Mac Wilson Senior, you

600
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: saw how things could change when number two was not

601
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: out there. Yeldfroholt received the vote. He previously had won

602
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: the award, Jacoby Brissette received the award, received a vote,

603
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Speaker 3: and Will Johnson received the votes. So this was kind

604
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Speaker 3: of the one outside of Player of the Year, which

605
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Speaker 3: we'll get to next.

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Speaker 4: Votes.

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Speaker 3: They were tied at three votes. They tied at three votes.

608
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Speaker 4: Oh, you said if Beacham had one more, he would

609
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Speaker 4: have won, So.

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Speaker 3: He would have been tied. Yes, I'm assuming that somebody

611
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Speaker 3: else would have voted for somebody not named kalais or

612
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Speaker 3: Michael Wilson. But yeah, the I just I always think

613
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Speaker 3: that these sort of awards likely go to the unsung heroes,

614
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: So that's why I typically lean on the offensive lineman.

615
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Speaker 3: I was thinking about, you know, Aaron Brewer has been

616
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 3: a consistent player to receive the last year, and he

617
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: typically only gets one or two votes a year, but

618
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Speaker 3: you can't knock what he was able to do with

619
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Speaker 3: having two different having three different punters, having Chad Ryland

620
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Speaker 3: and he was in the building. Then you also added

621
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Speaker 3: Joshua Carty later on into the year, and that that

622
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Speaker 3: whole operation that Jeff Rogers talks about is one of

623
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Speaker 3: the reasons why I was thinking of him. I was

624
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Speaker 3: also thinking of Para Johnston Junior because once the big

625
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: left tackle, he was talking about how it was tough

626
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: for him from a leadership perspective to kind of still

627
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: be that guy out there, and we know how he

628
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: won the Good Guy Award for his work with the media.

629
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Speaker 3: He did a lot of stuff out in the community

630
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Speaker 3: as well, Craig, So I'm not complaining that it's Kaleis

631
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Speaker 3: and Michael Wilson. However, I do think it typically should

632
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: go to an offensive or defensive Lineman.

633
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Speaker 1: I went with Kalais based off the production and then

634
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: also the leadership on and off the field, and being

635
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 1: basically an open book to whomever wanted to come and

636
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Speaker 1: talk to him, and that included in the mediae. No,

637
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: I did not. I only had him as beyond the box.

638
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: Score because he went Jacobs Josh Now.

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Speaker 1: I considered Mac Wilson for Beyond the box Score because

640
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Speaker 1: after he got popped in that Cowboys game, the defense

641
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: really really suffered and the team didn't win another game

642
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: after Mac went out.

643
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Speaker 4: You think that's because of not having Mac Wilson senior.

644
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: I think without him on the field, defensively lost a lot.

645
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 4: So interesting, I almost had Cody Simon as might beyond

646
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 4: the box score player because we talk about Brissett coming

647
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 4: in as a backup quarterback. You had a rookie middle

648
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 4: linebacker who was third on the depth chart, had barely

649
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 4: seen defensive snaps come in, and the defense wasn't out

650
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Speaker 4: of alignment because of him. They weren't late to the calls,

651
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Speaker 4: you weren't having to call late time out like none

652
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Speaker 4: of the operations seemed to have lacked. Not having Wilson

653
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 4: and having an inexperienced rookie out there with the confidence

654
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 4: and the endurance and the stamina and ability to command

655
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: a huddle until the defense. When you've got an eighteen

656
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 4: year veteran Khaleia Scampbell where to go and where to

657
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 4: line up. Not the same kind of tackler by any means,

658
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 4: but I do think that's something to be said. So

659
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Speaker 4: that was almost my vote. I ended up going with

660
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 4: Walternerle in the third. Yes, he let up the box

661
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 4: score in the few games he played, which was five

662
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 4: and a half because he didn't finish the sixth game.

663
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Speaker 4: But when he was playing, you saw Campbell, you saw

664
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 4: Darius Robinson, XAVI and Collins Josh Sweat. Everybody else around

665
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 4: him had a better game. And that's not just the

666
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 4: eye test. You can look at the numbers and everybody

667
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 4: else elevated their play because Nolan was generating interior pressure,

668
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 4: he was winning his one on ones, and he was

669
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 4: garnering attention. Now he has to be healthy. It's a

670
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 4: small sample size, but if this is what we can

671
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 4: expect to see moving forward, it's a home run of

672
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 4: a draft pick.

673
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: His first sack against the Dallas Cowboys. There are five

674
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: rookies that were out on the field and Cody Simon

675
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: was on the field because Mac Wilson Senior already exited

676
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: the game after having his injury on that sideline him

677
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: for the year, and that played. It's the all trying

678
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: two view that you're able to see everybody out there,

679
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 3: and it really stuck out to me because I'm thinking

680
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: myself that the future can be really bright with this team.

681
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: It's a matter of making sure that the guys are

682
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: staying healthy and that they're staying out on the field.

683
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: You really do need to see that jump from Jordan

684
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: Birch that the third round, the third round selection out

685
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: of Oregon. You need to be able to see a

686
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: bit more of that pop like we saw during the preseason.

687
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 3: During the preseason, he was getting home quite easily and

688
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: you didn't really and I understand it is the preseason,

689
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 3: who's correct, and but you want to see You saw

690
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: that he has the ability. At the end of the day,

691
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: these players are still in the NFL and you need

692
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: to be able to see that. If he's not performing

693
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: in the preseason and he's not performing in the regular season,

694
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 3: we're having a totally different discussion. But it's the fact

695
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: that he showed he is able to perform, albeit in

696
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 3: the preseason, with the technique and the fundamentals. You want

697
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 3: to see that jump going from year one to year

698
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: two out of him. I was very enthused to steal

699
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: a word from the former head coach about Cody Simon

700
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: and his ability to slide in because I think it

701
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: was remarkable. It does help that he did have the

702
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 3: green dot in college. Like we talked about during the offseason,

703
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 3: it was the first year that middle linebackers had the

704
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: green dot, had the head to head communication between the

705
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator and the middle linebacker. So he had that

706
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 3: at Ohio State. I'm sure that that served as a

707
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 3: benefit Craig as he did transition into this role. He

708
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: he got thrown into it a lot earlier than he

709
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: thought he was going to get thrown into it. And

710
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 3: I was talking with him at locker room clean out

711
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: and he was saying, I couldn't have done this without Mac,

712
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 3: because even though Mack wasn't on the field, he was

713
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: still in my ear. He was still always talking to me.

714
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 3: So I would have totally understand if any of us

715
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 3: put Mack Wilson Senior or Cody Simon as a beyond

716
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 3: the box score player.

717
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: There are a lot of young pieces on that defense

718
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: that you can be excited about. To your point, Danny

719
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: stay healthy, Walter Nolan potentially a disruptive defensive force on

720
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. Denzel Burke I think surprised a

721
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: lot of people, and then we talk about guys again,

722
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: staying healthy, b Jo Jolari year three. Can he make

723
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: that jump like a Michael Wilson hopefully of Marvin Harrison

724
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: junior to wear all Right, you found that Ed Rusher

725
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: at least a rotational piece. He's flashed talking about OJULARI

726
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: just I don't think he was completely himself this season

727
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: coming off the devastating knee injury and it wasn't just

728
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: an ACL. But going into twenty twenty six with a

729
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: completely healthy offseason, I think he's gonna have expectations. And

730
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: I know there might not be a lot of outside

731
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: expectations because we just haven't seen it. But there's a

732
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: name to consider as far as okay, can he be

733
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: that guy that everyone envisioned when he was taken on

734
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: Day two? Just a thought as we get into.

735
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: We saw that in the preseason training camp before he

736
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: tore his ACL, he was the top edge rusher that

737
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: the Cardinals had in the building, So that was coming

738
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: in with a fully healthy offseason, so you have to

739
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: hope to see that jump. You need to see that jump.

740
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: It's like we talked about earlier with Josh Sweat. Josh

741
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: Wett was a really solid pickup, but he can't be

742
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: the only one that's producing in that edge rusher's room.

743
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 3: You saw glimpses of it from Baron Browning and Zaven Collins,

744
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 3: but it's that consistency that I think everybody is searching for.

745
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: You saw that consistency all Once again, it was training camp.

746
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 3: It's not like they're lining up against anybody, and the

747
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: team was very different in twenty twenty four than it

748
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: was in twenty twenty five. But you saw that he

749
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: has the ability. There's a reason why he was a

750
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: Day two selection. I'm not sure what needs to happen

751
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: for it to for it to click, for bj to

752
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: ultimately take that next step, but I think that with

753
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: the injury that he sustained, he was never gonna be

754
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: the training camp version of Bjo Jalari coming in the

755
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: middle of this year. Now that he's going to have

756
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 3: an offseason that's what I'm eager to see is when

757
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 3: he jumps into it.

758
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: One last award is the play of the Year. I

759
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: guess we can go over like some of the nominees

760
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: before you say who or what play won, because let's

761
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: let's all be honest here with this season, there weren't

762
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: a lot of top of mine plays, at least for me,

763
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: I can name a couple outside of that.

764
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: So you say that, and then I went and I

765
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: watched I watched everyone's selection back. I was say, wow,

766
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 3: there were some really good plays, and there were plays

767
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: that you might not have remembered necessarily. But I'll go

768
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: through the list and these are just the ones that

769
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 3: received one vote. Michael Wilson's one handed touchdown versus the

770
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Rams at home. That was the second touchdown

771
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: of the game. I didn't even remember it. Beautiful back

772
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: shoulder pass that he was able to snag with his

773
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 3: right arm kind of pin against his chest while falling

774
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: into the end zone. I thought that that was a

775
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 3: really solid play. Luis Hernandez put Marvin Harrison Junior's touchdown

776
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: versus the Dallas Cowboys where he broke Doron Bland's ankles

777
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: on that slant route and I walked. I watched that

778
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: back and I was like, wow. I remember after that touchdown,

779
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 3: social media was on fire because everyone's like, you had

780
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: the iconic photo of Doron Plan on his knees and

781
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 3: then Marvin Harrison Jr. In the end zone. So I

782
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: thought that that was a pretty sweet one. Jody Jackson

783
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: went defense. I'm pretty sure it was the only defense,

784
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 3: actually not the only defense of one here, but Jaymi

785
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 3: Thompson's force fumble which was recovered by Walter Nolan the

786
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 3: third for the touchdown against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Paul put

787
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: Michael Wilson's thirty eight yard touchdown against this Sanati Bengals,

788
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: And when Paul asked to see the list for as

789
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: he's planning the TV show, I opened I let him

790
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: peek behind the curtain a little bit. He said he

791
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 3: totally forgot about a lot of these plays himself, and

792
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: he said the reason why he put Michael Wilson's thirty

793
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: eight yard touchdown is because he was asked Michael Wilson

794
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: about what has been his favorite touchdown of the season,

795
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 3: and he said it probably was that one because it

796
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: was his ability to show that he was able to

797
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,959
Speaker 3: run in space. Typically he's gotten the ball so close

798
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 3: to the goal line big time plays in the end zone,

799
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: but he hasn't been able to have that yak ability.

800
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: And that's why that was one of the votes, and

801
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 3: that's why he said it for himself. Irving put Matt

802
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: Hawk's fake punt against the Los Angeles Rams in Week

803
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: eighteen to Mari de Mercado giving special teams some love.

804
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 3: You put Danny Michael Wilson's one handed fourth down catch

805
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: for Seattle, which I totally forgot about, but that was

806
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: a huge catch, especially in the time of the game. Yeah.

807
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 4: Here, here's what I wrote for that I had. That

808
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 4: was where I wanted to go with my play. I

809
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 4: couldn't remember if it was third or fourth down. Then

810
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 4: I was watching again, I was like this, this is great.

811
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 4: I'm sure someone put Trey McBride's hurdle at the end

812
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 4: and those are fun to watch, But to me, I

813
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 4: try to think what plays mattered outside of a touchdown,

814
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 4: which is seemingly obvious. Some of them are incredibly impressive

815
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 4: and athletic, and I'm not knocking that. But this is

816
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 4: where I went with play the year, And here's what

817
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 4: I wrote because I'm I'm sure it didn't win, so

818
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 4: I'm sure my blurb is not included. Michael Wilson made

819
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 4: a long list of spectacular acrobatic catches, but a fourth

820
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 4: down catch Week four hosting Seattle stands out in my mind.

821
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 4: It's fourth and four, three minutes to play, cards down seven.

822
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray motions Wilson out to the line of scrimmage

823
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 4: out left before quickly releasing the ball. Wilson turns his

824
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 4: head just in time to bring the ball in with

825
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 4: one hand for five yards, converting the fourth down to

826
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 4: stay alive and setting up the Cardinals for a game

827
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 4: tying touchdown. Arizona didn't win the game, and it wasn't

828
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 4: Wilson's most athletic catch of the season, but it embodies

829
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 4: his ability to be clutch and crucial moments as a

830
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: reliable receiver with good instincts and hands, and it was

831
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 4: a foreshadow for what was to come. And Wilson talked

832
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 4: after that play that he turned his head last minute.

833
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 4: He didn't know the ball was going to be out.

834
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 4: That's why it was one handed. He was just having

835
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 4: that natural instinct to bring the ball in. And that's

836
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 4: someone who was not receiving a lot of targets, so

837
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 4: he didn't have a lot of catches. He was not

838
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 4: the go to player when James Connor and Trey Benson

839
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 4: were healthy, when Marvin Harrison Junior and Trey McBride were healthy,

840
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: and yet of the three targets, he was averaging a game.

841
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 4: He made plays like that, and he kept drives alive

842
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 4: even though he wasn't the main guy.

843
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: I think I actually asked him about the because if

844
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: I'm not mistaken, I'm prety sire. I wrote an article

845
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 3: after that game because it was the Rivalry Thursday night

846
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: game and Michael Wilson was the one at his locker room.

847
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior was not at the locker room at

848
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: that point, and I asked him how much of that

849
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 3: was just simply based off of instincts, and he said

850
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: almost entirely, because you turn around, and we know Kyler

851
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 3: Murray could throw a bullet. We know he could, we

852
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 3: know he could kind of go back to his baseball

853
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: aways a little bit and sling the sling the pill

854
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 3: around and the ball was right in front of Michael

855
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: Wilson's face just as he turned around, and it was

856
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: just I had to throw my arm up and I

857
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: was able to come down with it and it ultimately

858
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: kept the drive alive. And Danny you mentioned it. It

859
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: shows his ability to be that clutch player, to have

860
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: that clutch gene that you need to know you have

861
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: in some of your guys. You need to know that

862
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: when the clock's ticking down, who can you target that's

863
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 3: going to make a big time play, And that is

864
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 3: that is Michael Wilson to a t the other two

865
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: there are three other votes that we had. Trey McBride's

866
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 3: one hundred and seventeenth reception was given the vote. I

867
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 3: don't think that was necessarily much about the play, but

868
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: more so what it meant the history of the play.

869
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: Then we go to the multi votes. Kalais Campbell's game

870
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: winning slash game ceiling sack vers the Carolina Panthers earned

871
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: two votes, but the Player of the Year, which earned

872
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 3: four votes, was Michael Wilson's thirty two yard touchdown against

873
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: the Falcons when he made that big time play, bobbled

874
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 3: in the air and somehow, somehow, some way managed to

875
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: land in between his thighs and he was able to

876
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 3: corraw it in and nobody really knew if he caught

877
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: it or not until they showed the play on the JumboTron,

878
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: and then we saw Michael Wilson going absolutely berserk on

879
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 3: the sidelines, letting out a massive scream, and clearly it

880
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: captivated Craig and I enough that we both made it

881
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: our Play of the Year.

882
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my selection, But I think a lot

883
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: of it is recency bias because that was late in

884
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: the season. Danny's play was early in the season. And

885
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: the difference of Okay, what's the highlights versus the impact,

886
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's a great distinction. Again, it's subjective

887
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: on a lot of these, but Play of the Year

888
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: is like, Okay, going back to Week one, what happened,

889
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: and then as the season unfolds, you kind of lose

890
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 1: sight of what's going on, especially this season, on how

891
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: difficult it was, and then what happened. And the two

892
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 1: plays that immediately popped in my mind were the Michael

893
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: Wilson touchdown catch and the Walter Nolan touched down after

894
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: the fumble recovery. So those were the two that immediately

895
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: popped into my mind when I when I read Play

896
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: of the Year, Because it is hard to go all

897
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: the way back to September. Remember, all right, whether was

898
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: there anything impact, Well, you can go to Week one

899
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: and the game saving past defense with Budda Baker and

900
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: Jalen Thompson as far as play of the year because

901
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: of the impact, Well.

902
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 4: Johnson's that tackle for a loss, the hit that was

903
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 4: a massive hit.

904
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, all right, let's read it.

905
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 4: I tried to be a little more nuanced.

906
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: No, I I I appreciate that. I think I think

907
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: that's a better it's a it's a let's say, a

908
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: better way, but it's a it's a different and it's

909
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: a good way of thinking. As far as okay, player there,

910
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 1: everyone thinks highlight, Well, if it happened in a game

911
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: that you won by thirty or lost by thirty, there's

912
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't really mean it's just a nice play. But

913
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: did it happen in a game in which you either

914
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: won or put yourself in position to try to win.

915
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: But this is the thirteenth year that we've done these

916
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: Cardinals Awards, which obviously predates us, and it's.

917
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: Predates all of us except for Darren and and.

918
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: This goes back to even in the twenty thirteen season,

919
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: Kalais Campbell won an award for Defensive Player of the Year,

920
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: and here he is all these years later, So it's

921
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: I'm sure there have been so many discussions that have

922
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: been had very similar to what we're having right now.

923
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 3: But for the full list and the full explanation, everyone

924
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 3: could go to Azcardinals dot com. But to just run

925
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: back through it here. The player of the Year was

926
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: the Michael Wilson thirty two yard touchdown versus the Falcons

927
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 3: that be on the box score. Players of the Year

928
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 3: where Kalaise Campbell and Michael Wilson. The newcomers of the

929
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 3: year were Kalais Campbell and Josh Swett. Defensive Player of

930
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 3: the Year Josh Swett, Offensive Player of the Year, Wide

931
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: Receiver one K, Michael Wilson, and the most Valuable Cardinal

932
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: near unanimous decision, Trey McBride.

933
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 1: Good work, good work everyone before we tap out here

934
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: on this Wednesday edition of Cardinals Cover two. As we

935
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Speaker 1: speak here it is Wednesday morning, so things might change.

936
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: It seems like they change hourly, certainly daily. The updated

937
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: reported candidates for the vacancy at head coach. The number

938
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: is now thirteen. Since I believe Cardinals Underground was posted

939
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: the Cardinals have since been linked to Texans defensive coordinator

940
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: Matt Burke, former Cardinals defensive line coach. In twenty twenty two,

941
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: and Wednesday morning, the name Arthur Smith was linked to

942
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,479
Speaker 1: the job Steelers offensive coordinator and former Falcons head coach.

943
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: By the way, that is now five names with previous

944
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: head coaching experience of the thirteen. Paul likes to say

945
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: there's fourteen because he includes John Harbaugh. I'm kind of

946
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: put a little asterisk next to that. They had a

947
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: phone call, according to reports. I don't really know that

948
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: count says right now, interview or.

949
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: Whatever it seemed to be. In the final three, it

950
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: seems like John Harbaugh at least reportedly has narrowed down

951
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: his decision to the Falcons, the Giants, and Titans. Not

952
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: to say that he lands at any of the three,

953
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 3: but it's at least something to keep an eye on.

954
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: The Cardinals reportedly had an extensive phone call with him.

955
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 3: But like you said, Craig, what does that really mean?

956
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 3: None of us really know.

957
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 4: Nine openings, which to me is like I can't recall

958
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 4: at least the last couple of years where there have

959
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 4: been this many opening So.

960
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three, there were also nine. That was

961
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 3: the year that the Cardinals brought in Jonathan Gannon, and

962
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 3: then there was once ten openings, and then there was

963
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: once twelve openings, and that included that was going into

964
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 3: the two thousand and nine season. Some of the names

965
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 3: rare He Morris earned a head coaching job that season,

966
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: Todd Haley from here had a job, Jim Caldwell, Jim Mora.

967
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 3: There are a bunch of different people, but it doesn't

968
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: happen this often that I mean, obviously recency bias. He

969
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: had the nine in twenty twenty three. But man a,

970
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: this is totally different, Becau, because this isn't just like

971
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: you have coaches firing, but they're about to go to

972
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 3: a whole new spot. It's not really the day and

973
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 3: age of bringing in the offensive coordinator the defense coordinator,

974
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 3: promoting them to a head coach spot. Because John Harbaugh

975
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 3: is going to get a head coaching job. Mike McDaniel's

976
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: interviewing for a bunch of head coaching jobs, Kevin Stefanski's

977
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: interviewing for a bunch of head coaching jobs. It's going

978
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: to be just a revolving door and a lot of

979
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 3: different former head coaches that are going to be returning

980
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 3: right back to that seat.

981
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: I would tell everyone to be patient. As much as

982
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: we want this announced yesterday, it's important to get it right,

983
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 1: not first so again, and we won't know about being

984
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: right until games are actually played. But it's important to

985
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: get it right, and we will just wait and continue

986
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: to update when we have news to report. There are

987
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: games to be played this weekend, the divisional round of

988
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Here is the schedule for Saturday. It gets

989
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: started at two point thirty in the afternoon on CBS

990
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: Bills at the Broncos. The nightcap six pm on Fox

991
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers at Seahawks. Maybe they play a couple

992
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: of different overtimes and just beat one another up. And

993
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: then on Sunday the first game Texans at Patriots that

994
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: is on ESPN Slash ABC, and then the second game

995
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: Rams at the Bears four point thirty on NBC. Certainly

996
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: three of the four teams in the division are playing

997
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,479
Speaker 1: this weekend as far as the NFC West is concerned, Danny,

998
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: is there any one of those games that you're looking

999
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: more forward to than another? I mean, they're all I

1000
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: think on paper, they're all solid matchups.

1001
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 4: These are good games. I mentioned this a little on

1002
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 4: Cardinals Underground, of not as a knock, right. I always

1003
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 4: want to see good teams playing Patrick Mahomes is truly

1004
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 4: as good as they come. It's kind of fun, though,

1005
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 4: to have some different teams in the playoffs, and with

1006
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 4: the exception of Matthew Stafford, none of these quarterbacks have

1007
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 4: won a ring before. And Darren didn't find that exciting,

1008
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 4: and I do. And that's not to say I'm going

1009
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 4: to openly root for the Rams or the Seahawks or

1010
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 4: the Niners. But I'm someone who can be objective enough

1011
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 4: of enjoying good football. I'm not sitting here saying I

1012
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 4: don't want San Francisco or Seattle to either have a

1013
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 4: good game. I want them to all get hurt. Like

1014
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 4: I'm able to sit back no offense, Craig, I know

1015
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 4: we view that differently. I want to watch good football,

1016
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 4: and those are two good teams, and rooting against one

1017
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 4: heavily isn't going to change the Cardinals record, you know

1018
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like, I'm not saying I hope someone

1019
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 4: from the NFC West wins because it's great to have

1020
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 4: your division represent That to me is a little crap.

1021
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 4: I don't feel that way, but I am able to

1022
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 4: be objective enough and say I'm excited for these games,

1023
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 4: including that NFC West matchup, because I'm a fan of

1024
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 4: good football.

1025
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 3: Danny, I know you listened to Cardinals cover two for Mondays,

1026
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: but I will repeat it anyway about how I'm just

1027
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 3: excited to see because I could see a lot of

1028
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 3: what the Chicago Bears have and what the future of

1029
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 3: the Cardinals can look like. A first you're head coach,

1030
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: possibly coming in you're expecting to add to reinforcements to

1031
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 3: both sides of the trenches, your offensive and defensive line,

1032
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 3: and kind of seeing how where they stack up compared

1033
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 3: to the other teams that are in the NFC West

1034
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 3: that are currently in the playoffs. We know where the

1035
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 3: Cardinals stand at present day, but looking into the future,

1036
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 3: it's very possible that the Cardinals can find themselves if

1037
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 3: they find the right person that could lead them to

1038
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: victories with the late game situations that are ultimately able

1039
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 3: to make the difference, and how they're able to size

1040
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 3: up against some of these other NFC West teams. I'm

1041
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: just I'm very interested in that. I don't really have

1042
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 3: any sort of rooting interests, I don't at this point.

1043
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 3: It's the time of year that you get to just

1044
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 3: be a fan and just enjoy the madness that comes

1045
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 3: from the playoffs. But I am excited to see what

1046
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 3: some of the AFC matchups bring because for us, yes

1047
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 3: we watch the game, we follow along obviously, but we

1048
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 3: are so engulfed by what the NFC West is. I

1049
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 3: know where you're going to get from the San Francisco

1050
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers, from the Seattle Seahawks, from the Los

1051
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 3: Angeles Rams. I'm very interested to see how Houston is

1052
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 3: going to handle their success so finally winning a road

1053
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 3: playoff game for the first time in their franchise is history.

1054
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 3: How they're going to size up against New England, who's

1055
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: obviously playing really good ball, but it'll be it'll be

1056
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 3: a fun weekend. And then Miami and Indiana for the

1057
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 3: National Championship on Monday. I'm interested to see how that

1058
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: one goes.

1059
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: Good games, good storylines, And I am openly rooting for

1060
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: the Bears because I do not want the Rams to

1061
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: advance to the NFC Championship game. I got no choice

1062
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: to figure out forty nine Ers and Seahawks. But again, So.

1063
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: Are you basically saying you want the Chicago Bears to

1064
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 3: represent the NFC the NFC in the Super Bowl?

1065
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, that's how I follow on this.

1066
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 3: Now.

1067
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: I'll watch all the games and enjoy good football, But

1068
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: when it comes to NFC West teams, no, it's anyone

1069
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: but the division. That's just me.

1070
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 3: I understand. I understand, I really do it. It's just

1071
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 3: it's tough to at the end of the at the

1072
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 3: end of the game when the Clocketts zero and you

1073
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: see one of your rivals that's celebrating on the field,

1074
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 3: that's a tough pill to swallow.

1075
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: I get it, And we don't have to worry about

1076
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 1: that this year. It's Farm Stadium, so that was earlier

1077
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, so that was that was a

1078
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: difficult watch to see the Rams play on that field

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Speaker 1: and win a playoff game as well. All right, Azycardinals

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Speaker 1: dot Com for the annual Cardinals Awards, it is up.

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Speaker 1: You want to see how everyone voted. Thirteen voters, six

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Speaker 1: different categories, agree, disagree, but again, no wrong answers unless

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Speaker 1: they're different from ours.

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Speaker 3: Well, we all had pretty different answers, so I guess

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Speaker 3: there was more.

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Speaker 1: There was a census amongst the three of US than

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Speaker 1: maybe a year ago.

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Speaker 3: True, but I think injuries kind of played a major

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Speaker 3: role in at our are only so so many?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, check it out on Azycardinals dot com. And on

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Speaker 1: that note, we'll put a lid on this edition of

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive producer

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Speaker 1: Jim Onehundra, our associate producer Cody Fincher. For Danny Serek,

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Speaker 1: Zach Kershman, I'm Craig, Rayal Lou. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: next time you're on Cardinals Cover two.

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