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Thanks for listening 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: to The Herd podcast. 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome. 9 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 3: It is a beautiful Monday morning from Los Angeles, and 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: I'm not Colin Coward. 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 2: I'm Jason McIntyre in for Colin. 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 3: He was supposed to be back today, but I don't know. 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 3: You know, something's going on with cowhert No, just kidding. 14 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 3: He had some travel issues. I'm sure he will tell 15 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 3: you all about it tomorrow. 16 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: Nobody loves an airport like Colin Coward. He'll have many 17 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: stories when he is back. But you got me for 18 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: one more day. 19 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 3: And honestly, I think Cowhard blew off today because my 20 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: Cooper flag take last week was so good and it 21 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: was reinforced over the weekend, but they had to have 22 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: me back to talk. 23 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: About it and n Fortunately, we got a great show today, folks. 24 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: I'm flying so low. 25 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 3: Yes, that's it. It's just me you got me for 26 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 3: three hours. I mean, come on, you know I love 27 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 3: to talk. I can handle this, no big deal. And 28 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: we have some great guests coming up. My main man, 29 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: Chris Broussard coming on in the final hour. We used 30 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: to do his podcast together and I would just beat 31 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 3: him up on NBA topics because I'm very intelligent when 32 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: it comes to basketball and football. And Broussard's gonna join 33 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: us in the final hour, got Jeff Schwartz stopping by 34 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 3: Matt Hasselback. It's gonna be a great show, and we're 35 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: gonna do a lot of NFL with obviously camps opening 36 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 3: up for rookies this week. We do want to start 37 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: with the NBA because one thing happened over the weekend, 38 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: which we'll get to momentarily. But you guys remember last 39 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: month where all the reporters who cover the NBA kept saying, 40 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: strap in, there's a crazy NBA summer ahead. You never 41 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: know what's gonna happen. Stars could be on the move. 42 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: There was so much hype. It reminded me as a 43 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: young kid. There was this Kevin Costner movie coming out 44 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 3: in the nineties called water World, and it was the 45 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 3: most expensive film ever this thing was hyped to no end. 46 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: It comes out and it was an absolute flop, just 47 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 3: a bomb. It did okay box office numbers, but it 48 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 3: was a basically considered a disaster. And that's NBA free agency. 49 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 3: Folks were two weeks in and there's one story, and 50 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 3: that's Lebron James, who is shockingly very hurt. 51 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: And to quote Ron Burgundy, he's offended and he's hurt. 52 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 3: And Lebron was an NBA Summer League over the weekend 53 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 3: to check out his son, Ronnie James. As you could expect, 54 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 3: an NBA reporter went up to him and said, hey, Lebron, 55 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: would you care to talk about the upcoming Lakers season. 56 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 3: Lebron said, I got nothing to talk about and he 57 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: shut it down. 58 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 2: Lebron the man. 59 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: Of breadcrumbs on social media, giving the media nothing. Well, 60 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: you know, you could look at it this way, and 61 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 3: what's been a disastrous NBA free agency for the league. 62 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 3: I mean, listen, when Miles Turner is your big move 63 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 3: and a damn thing happened, Lebron has been carrying us. 64 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: He's giving us content for weeks because he's offended and 65 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: hurt that the Lakers did not offer him a new deal. 66 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: So Lebron decided, I'm gonna go ahead and opped in 67 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: and I'm gonna get my fifty. 68 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: Two million dollars. 69 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 3: And then for two weeks he is really not happy 70 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 3: that the Lakers are catering to Luca and they're not 71 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: involving Lebron in future plans, and that obviously has Lebron upset. 72 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 3: Now it's been a minute since we've talked to Jovon Buha, 73 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: who was on the show last week, to tell us 74 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: just why Lebron's starting to get upset at the franchise. 75 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 4: This is the first time you could say in Lebron's 76 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 4: career he hasn't been the sole focus or the primary 77 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 4: focus of his franchise that he's been on. Like even 78 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 4: with Ad, it was all like it was always Lebron 79 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 4: trying to pass the baton to Ad. 80 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 5: Luca just came in and. 81 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: Got the baton right, Like I get it. He's a 82 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: guy who's about to. 83 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 4: Enter his prime, has already led a team to the finals. 84 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 4: But Lebron's just I think the big thing is like 85 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 4: he sees the finish line, whether it's another year, two years, 86 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: and he wants to win that fifth ring, and it 87 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 4: doesn't feel like the Lakers are going all in on 88 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 4: this year's roster. 89 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: He's kind of sort of right, Jovan of course here 90 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: on the show last week. 91 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 2: But let's just start with some of the facts. Okay, 92 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 2: here are the facts. 93 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 3: Lebron showed up to the Lakers and they were in 94 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 3: the wilderness lost. You can attribute that if you want 95 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: to the end of the Kobe era. That's fine, But 96 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: bottom line is they had the worst five year run 97 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: in franchise history. 98 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: Lebron saved the Lakers period. 99 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 3: That's a fact. That's an inarguable fact. Gets them to 100 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 3: be contenders, gets it, Anthony Davis. They win a championship 101 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. Okay, they get back to the conference finals. 102 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: People forget that against Denver, and then Lebron gets to 103 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 3: hand pick his coach. Give me my guy, JJ Reriddick 104 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: for my podcast. Okay, Lebron, check, can you draft my son? 105 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 5: Sure? 106 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: Check Lebron. 107 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 3: The Lakers cater to Lebron because Lebron saved them. 108 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: All understandable and it makes total sense. 109 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 3: Where things go awry was when Luka Doncic all of 110 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 3: a sudden hits the market out of nowhere and the 111 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 3: MAVs traded to the Lakers, and then the calculus change, 112 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: the Lakers move away from Lebron and to Luca. But 113 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: in an absence of actual information here in the last 114 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: two weeks, it's all breadcrumbs from Lebron on social media. Look, 115 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: he's wearing a hat that says welcome home while he's 116 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: playing golf in Ohio. 117 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: He wants to be a Calv again. 118 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 3: When there's an absence of information, come the conspiracy theories, 119 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: come the ideas, and everybody's floating stuff. 120 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: And now over the weekend we. 121 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 3: See four teams are monitoring the Lebron situation. 122 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: Who are they? 123 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 3: Well, on confirmed reports from various reporters, it's the Dallas Mavericks. 124 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: Come on, give me a break. That's zero shot of 125 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: the MAVs happening. 126 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 3: The La Clippers, Yeah, that's what Lebron wants to do, 127 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: go across town. 128 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: To the paper clips to play with Harden and Kawhi. 129 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: That's comical. 130 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 3: The Cleveland Cavalier, now that was interesting, but you listen 131 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: to any salary cap guy in the NBA and there's 132 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: no chance of it happening. The Calves are already deep 133 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: into the second Apron and I don't want to bore 134 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: you with luxury tax and all these repeater tacks. The 135 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 3: Calves could not make Lebron happen. It's waterline impossible, not 136 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: Tom Cruise mission impossible. 137 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 2: There's a nod to Cowherd, but just it can't happen. 138 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 3: And then the last one is the Golden State Warriors, 139 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: which could only happen if it was Jimmy Butler for Lebron, 140 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 3: And why are the Lakers doing that? So again, I 141 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 3: understand Lebron's pouting. He has a right to be a 142 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: little ticked off, totally understandable. But at the same time 143 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 3: he's got to be self aware and be like, oh, 144 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: I'm forty, Luca is you know, in his prime mid twenties. 145 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 3: Of course they want to build around him Lebron. I listen, 146 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 3: you guys don't have a Lebron guy. 147 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: And I had a fun stat somebody hit with I 148 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: totally forgot. Over the weekend. 149 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: Lebron has been the MVP of the Finals on three 150 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: different teams. That's an unbelievable accomplished look in American sports, 151 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 3: it's difficult to find guys who have been the championship 152 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: game or series MVP for two teams. Lebron's learned for three. 153 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,679 Speaker 3: That's another reason why he's the goat. Okay, anywhere he goes, 154 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: he wins, and I totally get that, and I get 155 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 3: what he's done, but it's about Luca now, and I 156 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: think Lebron's just got to understand that because sadly, Bron, 157 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: you're not going anywhere. 158 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: Now. 159 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: I want to pivot to the NFL because listen, as 160 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: I said at the outset of the show, mid July 161 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 3: means rookies show up in trading camps right and then 162 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: the week after come the veterans. And in that little 163 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: in between, we got two or three days here, we 164 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: get like the MLB All Star Break, and we get 165 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: a bunch of lists in the NFL. So ESPN had 166 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: an interesting list of the top ten quarterbacks heading into 167 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, and just so. 168 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: I get it accurate. 169 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: Here, it's according to executives, coaches, and scouts, and you 170 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 3: see it here on the screen if you're watching on 171 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: FS one radio audience, I'm gonna tease you for a 172 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: little bit, but these are the top ten quarterbacks according 173 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: to executives who are executives around the league. 174 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: Guys, just give that a thought for a second. 175 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 3: Coaches and scouts, now, the top four are obvious every year, 176 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: right in whatever. 177 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: Order you want. 178 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 3: Burrow, Mahomes, Lamar Josh Allen. Okay, executives love Patrick Mahomes. 179 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: That guy's amazing. 180 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: After that, it gets difficult. Five through ten is a 181 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: big question mark. And I'm pretty certain if and we 182 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: will never get this. But if we got the ages 183 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: of the executive coaches and scouts, I think we could 184 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 3: draw a line between what we're seeing here on the 185 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 3: screen and what the actual rankings are. I don't have 186 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 3: any distribute moves to the top four and nobody should. 187 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: The order we can quibble over, but the reality is 188 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 3: five through ten is extremely difficult, and I cannot believe 189 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 3: that Jalen hurt was once again utterly disrespected by executive 190 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 3: coaches and scouts. Jalen Hurts has been to two Super Bowls. 191 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: He went toe to toe with Mahomes in one of 192 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: them and was nearly the MVP, but they lost. Then 193 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 3: he smashed Mahomes this past February in the Super Bowl 194 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 3: and with the MVP, and Jalen Hurts is only ninth, 195 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: the ninth best quarterback in the NFL Well, there is 196 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 3: another interesting thing that came up in the meeting this morning, 197 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: and that was, if you look at that list of 198 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: the top ten guys, Jalen Hurts is the only non 199 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 3: first round quarterback. First impressions matter. Oh, were you a 200 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 3: first round pick? Well, I'm going to give you the 201 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: benefit of the doubt. 202 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: Over and over and over again. 203 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: I keep hearing that, Oh, well, Jalen Hurts has a 204 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: stacked deck? Jay, does he really? I was unaware of that. 205 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 3: I was unaware that he had a different offensive coordinator 206 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 3: every season he's been in the NFL for all this. 207 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: Jared Goflaw and Jared Gosle on the list. He's good. 208 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: He would make my top twelve. 209 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 3: Jared Goff came into the league, got Jeff Fisher, was 210 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 3: totally terrible, and then gets gifted Sean mcvagh one of 211 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: the sharpest offensive minds of this generation. And then he 212 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: goes to Benn Johnson, one of the most covid offensive 213 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 3: coordinators in the last ten years. 214 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: And Jared Goff is better than Jalen Hurts. Oh, Jared 215 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: Goff was a number one overall pick. That's right. First 216 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: impressions matter. 217 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: Now, we did have a spirited chat because I'm very 218 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: bullish on Hurts. 219 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: I have him unequivocally number five. 220 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 3: These executive coaches and scouts have Jayden Daniels at five, 221 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: and that's fine. Jaden Daniels was amazing last year. Let's 222 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 3: see the numbers on Jalen Hurts from the pocket, because 223 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 3: this is the big knock on Jalen Hurts. He doesn't 224 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 3: win from the pocket. Oh really, Well, I have actual 225 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 3: data that flies in the face of the idea that Hurts. 226 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 2: Doesn't win from the pocket. 227 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: He was second in completion percentage and it's not a 228 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 3: checkdown Charley situation because as you see here, he was 229 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 3: third in yards per attempt and a half. He was 230 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 3: fifth in passer rating fourteen touchdowns from the pocket. We say, Jay, okay, 231 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: he had one good year. Well, I'll remind you Jayden 232 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 3: Daniels had one good year. It was the greatest rookie 233 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: year ever. But oh, we've got three years of data 234 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 3: from Jalen Hurts in the pocket. Guys, wouldn't you know it? 235 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 3: He's been hella consistent, seventy two percent, seventy one, seventy 236 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: four passer rating, really really good yards per attempt, no 237 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: checkdown now twenty three was a little bit of a 238 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 3: pullback another offensive coordinator. That one didn't work out. That 239 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 3: was Remember they elevated a quarterback coach. I don't even 240 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 3: know if that guy's still in the league. And Jalen 241 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 3: Hurts now was winning from the pocket for three straight years. Folks, 242 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 3: If you don't have him five, how on earth can 243 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 3: you have guys like Jared Goff ahead of him. Well, 244 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: here's the idea, because the idea of what a quarterback 245 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: is has changed dramatically over the last thirty or forty years. 246 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: These executives, Remember, these are the same executives who wanted 247 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson to pivot from quarterback to wide receiver. 248 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a thing. That was a real thing. Look 249 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 2: it up. 250 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 3: Okay, these executives had an idea of what a quarterback 251 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 3: was for thirty or forty years. 252 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 2: I need me a six' to. 253 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: Three statuesque pocket. Passer that's what they. Wanted they wanted 254 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 3: The Jeff georges of the. World they Wanted Drew bledsoe, 255 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 3: guys guys who were quarterbacks who are. Fantastic but somewhere 256 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 3: along the, line youth football coaches, REALIZED i don't have 257 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 3: a big pocket. Passer let me just put my best 258 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 3: athlete at, quarterback and. 259 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 2: He's going to run around and make. 260 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 3: Plays he could win from the, pocket but he could 261 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 3: also win with his legs on third. Down and that 262 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: became then a thing from not just youth football to college, 263 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 3: football and then it kind of sorted to translate into 264 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: the pros with guys Like Mike vick And Cam, newton 265 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 3: who were essentially the first iteration of running. 266 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 2: Quarterbacks Steve young was. 267 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: MOBILE i wouldn't call him a, runner great running, quarterback 268 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: but more. 269 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: Mobile he won from the. Pocket, First vic. 270 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 3: And Cam newton were kind of inconsistent from the. Pocket 271 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 3: but now the next generation of Guys Jaden, Daniels Jalen, 272 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 3: hurts these are, Quarterbacks, litsten let's be, Real Lamar, jackson 273 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 3: these are. 274 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: Quarterbacks Josh, allen who was a. 275 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 3: Runner remember he was like barely sixty percent completion from 276 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 3: the pocket in. College he's now turned into he could 277 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: be to his legs and his. Arm so the idea 278 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 3: of a quarterback has totally, changed AND i think a 279 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 3: lot of these evaluators just don't get. It, YES i 280 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 3: Love Matthew, Stafford he's. Awesome if it's third and, seven 281 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 3: he's not a threat to scramble for that first. Down 282 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: and just the looks of quarterbacks now is just changing 283 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 3: things around the. League and wouldn't she know, It Jalen 284 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 3: hurts is right there at the forefront With Lamar. 285 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 2: Jackson he just has the postseason. 286 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: Success so, Again i'm, not you, know totally disagreeing with 287 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 3: these executive s coaches and, couches coaches and, scouts but 288 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 3: the reality is they don't even have Brock perty on this. 289 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 3: List he didn't make the top. Ten so as you can, 290 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 3: Expect i'll do my top ten later in the. Show 291 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: we're going to expand it because remember last week we 292 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: were drinking six packs here on the. Show today we're 293 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: expanding it from a sixer to a twelve. Pack so, 294 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 3: yeah a lot of these pocket guys still make, It 295 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 3: BUT i lean toward the athlete who's going to get 296 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: me the scramble on third and, seven who's multi. Dimensional 297 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: by the, Way Burrow, Mahons Alan lamar ALL monthi dimensional 298 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: quarterbacks can beat you from the pocket and. Scrambling all, 299 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: right we do really have a phenomenal show lined. UP 300 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: i know you're excited about three hours of j mac. 301 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 3: Colin coward may call me during the. Show he did 302 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 3: text me right before the show with a with a airport. 303 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: UPDATE i won't bore you with, that but it's going 304 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: to be a great one. Today and coming up next 305 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 3: here On The, Herd i'll tell you why The mads 306 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: shut Down Cooper flag after a thirty one point explosion 307 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: In game. 308 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 2: Two that's next. 309 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 6: Year be sure to catch live editions Of The herd 310 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 6: weekdays And Noone easter nine Am pacific On Fox Sports 311 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 6: RADIO fs one and The iHeartRadio. 312 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: App it's Me Rob. 313 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 7: Parker check out my WEEKLY mlb, Podcast inside The parker 314 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 7: for twenty two minutes of pipe in hop baseball, talk 315 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 7: featuring the biggest names of newsmakers in the. 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Struggling, listen we. 327 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: Can be honest with you. Everybody, OKAY i have a. 328 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: Nickname everybody in the morning meeting. 329 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 3: LAUGHED i feel thought it was a little. Harsh will 330 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 3: unveil that in about twenty five. MINUTES i want to 331 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 3: talk quickly About Cooper. 332 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: Flag. 333 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: Okay he had his debut in The Summer League thursday. 334 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 3: Night as the kids like to, say he was MID 335 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 3: i think he was five for twenty, one shooting a 336 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: lot of. 337 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: QUESTIONS i don't, know no three point. Shot the guy's 338 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: pump the. 339 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 3: BRAKES i want a passion Plea, Friday please just take 340 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 3: a deep. 341 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: Breath he's gonna be. 342 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 3: Fine Cooper flag comes out in his second Game saturday 343 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: and absolutely. Cooks San antonio had thirty one, points completely. 344 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 3: Dominant oh, look he gets. It it clicked for the 345 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: eighteen year old in game, two just a flurry of. 346 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: Dunks he's, Awesome AND i Think coward says this sometimes 347 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 3: you kind of know it when you see it after 348 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: like five, minutes whether it's SPORTS, tv. WHATEVER i last 349 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: WEEK i started this new show On APPLE tv Called The. 350 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: Studio i'm not sure if any of you guys are 351 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: familiar with. IT i Like Seth. 352 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 3: Rogen i'm a Huge Seth rogen. GUY i think all 353 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: of his movies and shows are. Hilarious SO i check it, 354 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 3: out and within the first twenty, Minutes i'm texting. 355 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: People you've got to watch this. 356 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 3: Show it's a little industry, related but it is abrasive and, 357 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 3: dirty a lot of like inappropriate. 358 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: Jokes but that's in my. 359 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 3: Wheelhouse like you, know if this show were ever streaming, 360 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 3: only you would let the exploitive fly shout out To Cosmo. 361 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 3: Kramer but that, show like, INSTANTLY i know it was. 362 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: Great there's this show On Paramount. LIONESS i check that. 363 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 3: Out holy, cow it's. 364 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: Awesome. 365 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 3: Again within fifteen, minutes you're texting your buddies you got 366 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 3: to see this. Show if you don't Have, paramount get 367 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 3: the free trou blah blah. Blah Cooper flag is the 368 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 3: same way you could see. It last year At, duke 369 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 3: he was an eighteen year old. FRESHMAN i mean he's. 370 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 3: Seventeen at the very beginning of the, season he's, eighteen 371 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: and he's just Leading duke in every. Category every category 372 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 3: Says steele's blocked you name. 373 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 2: IT i mean we've seen this. Before guys. One Ben 374 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 2: yama last year ruggled in his First Summer league. 375 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 3: GAME i think he was like two for. Thirteen, oh 376 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 3: he can't. Shoot he's not physical. Enough Women yaba game two, 377 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 3: dominant shutting him. Down we don't need to see. Anymore 378 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 3: do you Remember Zion williamson first game Of Summer. LEAGUE 379 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: i had to look this. Up he only had eleven, 380 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 3: points but he had four. Dunks he's just dunking. Everything 381 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 3: zion was overpowering. Everybody well, NOW i don't, know he 382 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 3: doesn't really have a. Shot he's a little. Chubby zion 383 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 3: as a rookie average twenty. Two if you could only stay, 384 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 3: healthy we're looking at an all time great In. Zion 385 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 3: he can't stay, healthy and then he got sidetracked with some. 386 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 3: Stuff In New, Orleans Cooper flag showing none of the 387 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 3: signs of. That, okay thirty one points in game two 388 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 3: against The spurs just absolutely. Awesome here's What Cooper flag 389 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 3: said after his big game Against San. 390 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: ANTONIO i think you know it's it's a new, environment new. 391 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 5: Setting you know they want to see me be. 392 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: Aggressive that type of. 393 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: Stuff so most time my best to just be aggressive 394 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: AND i serve myself early gets to the. 395 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 5: LINE i THINK i did a lot better, today just 396 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 5: get to the line and fout and help many did 397 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 5: it come to the? 398 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: Boy AND i guess, so you, KNOW i got to the 399 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: line a little bit better. 400 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 5: Today a bunch of. 401 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: Freetos you. KNOW i know my mom probably wasn't. 402 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 5: Very happy That. 403 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 2: Cooper flag shout out to his. 404 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 3: Mom, now, Listen coward likes to say That Cooper flag 405 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: could be a more Aggressive Jason, tatum AND i didn't 406 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 3: love that initially BECAUSE i think he's a much better 407 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 3: defender Than. Tatum but that Watching Cooper Flag cook it 408 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 3: was not a bad comparison The jason the Aggressive Jason. 409 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 3: Tatum i'll stick with My Kevin garnett for. Now Cooper 410 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 3: flag is more advanced THAN kg offensively was at. 411 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: Eighteen that's. 412 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 3: Undeniable you can't argue with. That, OBVIOUSLY kg won AN 413 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 3: mvp and a. CHAMPIONSHIP i Think Cooper flag can do. 414 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 3: BOTH i will say now im out here IN. LA 415 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 3: i know this guy's royalty In Los. ANGELES i was 416 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 3: a huge fan watching. Him but there's a guy Named Baron, 417 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 3: davis awesome point, guard legendary. Player you're out, here just 418 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 3: spectacular AT. Ucla he's one of the first to push. 419 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: This. Well you, Know Cooper. 420 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 3: Flagg kind of reminds me of Andre. KIROLINKO i was 421 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: a little embarrassed For baron when he said that the 422 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 3: idea is Andre kerlinko did everything. Great he was spectacular at, 423 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 3: nothing but he was. AWESOME i don't believe he ever 424 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 3: made An All star. Game, baron you got to take 425 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 3: that take, back, like just. Apologize you screwed. Up Andre 426 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 3: kierlinko was not getting shut down two games in The 427 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 3: Summer league because he went off for thirty, one, Okay 428 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 3: and ALL i kept hearing about this burst Guy i'm 429 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 3: facing on his name At, arizona who they, drafted who 430 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: was a really good, defender and he did well Against 431 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 3: Cooper flag on like an early, possession and everybody posted 432 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 3: on Their, instagram look at this guy shutting Down Cooper. 433 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 3: Flag you, Know Cooper flagg ended up going going postal 434 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 3: against this guy and everyone. Else So i'm, Sorry Boom, 435 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 3: dizzle but the andre Kirol InKo kompa is. Terrible Cooper 436 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 3: flag is going to be a superstar in THE. Nba 437 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 3: this is going to, happen probably sooner than. Later get 438 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 3: with the, program, Everyone all, right let's go To Jeff. 439 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: SCHWARTZ nfl analyst here At. Fox he has a. Podcast 440 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: he's wearing a Nice duke blue. 441 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 3: Shirt did you did you play eighteen this? 442 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 2: Morning? 443 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,479 Speaker 5: JEFF i did. NOT i was doing something. Else had 444 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 5: to wear a Nice polo SHIRTS i just wore for 445 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 5: you as. Well it's hoping to get some some summer 446 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 5: league wagers from you, today BUT i guess to do 447 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 5: that another. 448 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: Time, Yeah i'm Doing i'm holding off on the summer league. 449 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 2: GAMBLING i. KNOW i see you on Social are you 450 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 2: doing W nba? Betting? 451 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 5: Yeah mostly. PROPS i, mean, Look Cavin clark assists every. 452 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 5: GAME i mean she gets a lot of. Assists she 453 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 5: might not be shooting bar right, now but she's passing 454 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 5: the ball around her teammates and sometimes they don't make the, Layups, 455 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 5: jason but they she gets a lot of. Assists SO 456 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 5: i will. ROCK i JUST i mostly do zigzag. Stuff 457 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 5: right where a good player has a bad, game the 458 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 5: next game they typically played. Better it's not rocket. SCIENCE 459 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 5: i tend to make those type of. 460 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 2: Wagers, yeah it is weird just to go. 461 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 3: Well i'll talk About clark a little more, later But 462 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 3: i'm curious your. Thoughts so she struggled before the, injury 463 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: she comes back from the, injury she's still kind of. 464 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 3: Struggling but The fever are winning, now aside from. GAMBLING 465 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 3: i think The fever are still going to be live 466 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 3: in the playoffs with a Healthy clerk. 467 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: To maybe maybe contend for the. 468 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 3: CHAMPIONSHIP i know their record doesn't show, it but you've 469 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 3: watched a lot OF. 470 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 2: WNBA i, mean do you think they are contenders With? 471 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 5: CLARK i think they have to be because their offense 472 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 5: is sort of figuring out. Right it takes some. Time 473 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 5: they have a lot of new, pieces right That howard's, new, 474 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 5: Right tunningham's. New clark's been in out of the, lineup 475 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 5: but they're trying to figure things, out all, right mcdald's 476 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 5: been in the. Lineup, now we're trying to figure things. 477 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 5: Out As clark gets, healthier i'd imagine they start playing better. 478 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 5: Offensively she will start playing better offensively as. Well but 479 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 5: she obviously does a lot for the. Game assists shod five, 480 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 5: steals yess as she opens us up when they are. 481 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 5: On they score a ton of, points and defensively there's 482 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 5: so some question. MARKS i feel like they did big 483 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 5: The links already without. Her they beat The liberty With Kaylin. 484 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 5: Clark they Played LIBERTY i think again this. Weekend so they're. 485 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 5: Alive remember last, year the second half of the season 486 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 5: after The olympic, break they were much. BETTER i feel 487 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 5: like they're starting to hit their stride a little bit 488 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 5: now as we get to the. BREAK i would expect 489 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 5: them to play well on the. 490 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 2: Postseason, WOW i got to give you a shout. 491 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 3: Out Jeff clark is Dropping Indiana fever bench players and 492 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 3: he's talking about the upcoming schedule of my. 493 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 5: Man. 494 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: Impressive all, right let's go to THE. 495 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 3: NFL i do want to ask you about college later or, 496 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 3: something BUT i don't. 497 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 2: Know, listen it's Mid. July people are putting out. 498 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 3: LISTS i see this list of the top ten quarterbacks 499 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 3: in the league from executive scouts and. Coaches jeff The 500 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 3: Jalen hurts disrespect THE mvp of The Super, bowl checking 501 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: in ninth, Below Jared, Goff Justin. HERBERT i Love Justin. 502 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: Herbert he doesn't have a playoff win. Yet Matt stafford 503 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 3: is kind of cement shoes in the. Pocket shout Out. 504 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 3: Stafford Jayden daniels one. Year why do you think people 505 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 3: are just out on her? Too by the, way is 506 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 3: the only second round pick of these top. 507 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 5: Nine i'm not sure they're out on. HIM i think 508 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 5: they don't look at one game as a reason why 509 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 5: to rank a player in a certain. Spot, right this 510 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 5: is the best quarterback for an entire, season or really 511 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 5: where they are in their. Careers to, me one through 512 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 5: six is not really debatable with them And Hurts and, 513 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 5: look Jay daniels had one good, season we get, that 514 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 5: but go watch him play as a passer of the. 515 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 5: Football he's a better passer of football Than Jalen. HURTS 516 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 5: i think there's no question about that. Now of, course 517 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 5: he didn't do it in The Super bowl Like hurts, 518 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 5: ass which did. Happen he played, Great actually in Both Super. 519 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 5: Bowls hurts has played really well and that should count for. 520 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 5: SOMETHING i do think that does count For Justin, herbert 521 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 5: who has not played well on the, Postseason hurts has 522 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 5: been better than. HIM i would, put you, know Probably 523 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 5: hurts at. Seven stafford's still really. Good LIKE i think 524 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 5: we forget that because he doesn't move as well as 525 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 5: other quarterbacks. Do and he plays IN la and pro 526 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 5: football is not as important. There but they were very 527 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 5: close to winning that game in the snow In. PHILLY 528 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 5: a couple of turn doom them. THERE i Think hurts 529 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 5: is properly. RANKED i think if you were drafting quarterbacks 530 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 5: this is about where you draft, them you would Have. 531 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 5: HURTS i think ahead Of stafford because of age. There 532 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 5: but to, me one, game, right he played great in that. 533 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 5: Game not say anyway from him doesn't really. CHANGE i 534 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 5: think where he needs to be ranked according to the top. 535 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 5: Six now again he should be a head of. Golf 536 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 5: that team is really still to me And. HERBERT i 537 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 5: love Justin, herbert but he has not shown the ability 538 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 5: in those bigger games in the postseason to play as 539 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 5: well As. HURTS i think to, me one through six 540 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 5: is where they should. Be you might, argue, okay should 541 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 5: lamar b three should burrow before sure one or two 542 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 5: feel very solid of where they, Are SO i have 543 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 5: no problem with one through. SIX i think seven should Be. Hurts. 544 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: Okay so that this is a good talking point FOR 545 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: nfl fans because when you say like there's no, debate 546 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 2: Like Jaden daniels is a better thrower of the. 547 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 3: FOOTBALL i think that was the phrase you, used and 548 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 3: that's a phrase in a lot of these. Articles how 549 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 3: do you quantify? That BECAUSE i, mean if you're just 550 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 3: looking at how the ball comes off their, hand you, 551 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 3: know over five hundred, attempts, LIKE i guess you could 552 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 3: break it down that. 553 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 2: Way do you do yards for? 554 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 3: Attempt which is you, know saying that someone's a check 555 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 3: down or deep down the? Field is it completion percentage 556 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 3: that could be skewed toward what the offense is? 557 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 2: Doing quarterback? Rating, like how do you judge thrower of the? Football? 558 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 5: YEAH i judge the really tough. THROWS i think a 559 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 5: lot of guys can make the easy, throw, right it's 560 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 5: the tough those, right the throws on the, move those 561 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 5: on third down, throws the pressure in your, face throws 562 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 5: in big. MOMENTS i, mean go look at the Throws 563 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 5: Daniel may throughout the season and you'll SEE i think 564 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 5: in more opportunities the offense was put on his shoulders 565 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 5: and he made those. Throws now it hurts, offense so 566 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 5: it hurts. DEFENSE J. Man he doesn't have to do as, 567 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 5: much right because they run the football so. Well they 568 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 5: close out games with the offensive line in the run 569 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 5: game and often with his. Legs BUT i Think daniels 570 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,239 Speaker 5: throws the ball better Than hurts in bigger, moments in 571 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 5: sort of the third down, situation sort of these big tough. 572 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 5: Throws to, me It's daniel's ahead of, them which to 573 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 5: me is still number one quarterback. PLAY i, look mobility is, 574 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 5: great being able to run the football, great it's good 575 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 5: for third down in the red, zone those scrimbling. Moments 576 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 5: but to, me the WAY i rate quarterbacks is what 577 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 5: you do in the. Pocket. First that's the hardest part 578 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 5: of the, job Right it's third and. Eight how do 579 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 5: you re act in the? Pocket can you make those 580 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 5: big time? THROWS i Think daniels is a little bit 581 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 5: more of that Than hurts. 582 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 2: Does, interesting there's a Lot that's one of the things with. 583 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,239 Speaker 3: Quarterbacks there's a lot like we got to look up 584 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: tight window throws and who's third down? Completion but there's 585 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 3: so much that goes into. It but let me drill 586 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 3: down On stafford for a. Second you, know the modern, 587 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 3: quarterback if you look at your everybody's top four Is, 588 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 3: burrow who can, scramble run, Awesome Patrick mahomes running despite 589 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 3: The dad Bod lamar needs no. Introduction Josh allen's running 590 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 3: over defensive. Backs stafford doesn't add that. Element but he 591 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 3: was a number one overall. Pick he has one of 592 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 3: like the top five arms in the. League he's making 593 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 3: no look throws in The Super. Bowl, like how are 594 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 3: we supposed to Compare stafford To? Hurts because IF i, Said, 595 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 3: jeff this, season who would you rather Have stafford Or? 596 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 3: Hurts wouldn't you Take? Hurts because he gives you such 597 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 3: a next dimension with the running. 598 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 5: If it was like if it was a fourth quarter to, 599 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 5: win to win a, game and of, course, look let's 600 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 5: just say it's a normal. Offense you don't get The 601 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 5: eagles offensive, Line you'll get the run game just like 602 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 5: an AVERAGE nfl offense right fourth quarter of a? Game 603 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 5: do you Want? Stafford you want her throwing the? Football 604 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 5: who would you want throw in the? Football so? 605 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 3: Well for the Full it's similar to The Jordan lebron, 606 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 3: Discussion LIKE i would Take lebron for a full, game 607 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 3: for the full, season but for the fourth. 608 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: Quarter, Yes stafford's Clutch Michael jordan's, Clutch AND. 609 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 5: I think that matters when it comes to some of these. Gms, 610 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 5: right like, again most of these quarterbacks right one through, 611 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 5: seven one through ten even can do the simple. Things, 612 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 5: well they wouldn't be a top ten quarterback if they 613 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 5: couldn't make the simple. Throws so to, ME i elevate 614 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 5: in cert. Situations, right how would you do in this? 615 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 5: Situation how do you do in this? SITUATION i Think 616 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 5: Matt stafford IF i ask him again for the SITUATION 617 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 5: i put and that's again WHERE i think you're judging 618 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 5: these quarterbacks and very very like nuanced. Situation to, Me 619 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 5: i'd Have stafford just ahead Of. HURTS i think it's 620 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 5: not that much ahead Of, hurts LIKE i think this 621 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 5: season through week eight It hurts might be better Than. 622 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 5: Stafford i'm moving up, There but for me right, now 623 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 5: the situation still. MATTERS i Think stafford is better in that. Spot, 624 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 5: again it's not a big difference between one and. Six to, 625 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 5: Me hurts him showing me in that, conversation but to, 626 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 5: me he's just. 627 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 2: Seven one, guy, well a couple guys down on the. 628 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 3: List number One Dak, prescott the highest paid quarterback in THE, 629 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 3: nfl WHO i believe two years ago was the runner 630 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 3: up FOR, mvp is now not even top, Ten AND 631 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: i think they did like a just missed and it WAS. 632 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: Cj stroud And Jordan. Love No Dak prescott in the top. 633 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 3: Twelve i'm curious your thoughts On dak because again two 634 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 3: years ago he was runner up TO. 635 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 5: Mvp, well he didn't play much last, year, RIGHT i, 636 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 5: MEAN i think that plays a role in. It when 637 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 5: you don't play as, much you're not in that. Discussion, 638 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 5: LOOK i think, too, like at, best what Is Dak 639 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 5: prescott ten on a? List nine on a? List and 640 00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 5: so you don't, play you're gonna drop? 641 00:29:59,640 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 6: Down? 642 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 5: Now can you make that back up this? Season absolutely 643 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 5: with more, Playtime but again you look at sort of 644 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 5: the THINGS i look at in those. Moments he didn't 645 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 5: play last, year so you can't give him credit for those. 646 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 5: THINGS i think he's about where he should. Be but 647 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 5: AGAIN i think at best he's about ten in THE. 648 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 5: Nfl so him not playing this season last, season not 649 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 5: MANY i, think only games last, season it's about where 650 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 5: he can. Be can he can he get back up 651 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 5: on the top? Ten? Absolutely, look you can certainly see 652 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 5: a list like this where golf pulls back in a given. 653 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 5: Year Baker MAYFIELD i think is what he is right. 654 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 5: Now but he could pull back a little bit and 655 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 5: then just that kind of popping. IT i Think dak 656 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 5: has known better than about nine to ten in the 657 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 5: best season he can have in THE. 658 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: Nfl, Interesting so, AGAIN i like this guy more than 659 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 2: the market. 660 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 3: Does But Brock, perdy he didn't have a great, year 661 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: but the whole team was banged. 662 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: Up it felt like a transition. 663 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 3: Year, Again i'm not judging a guy on one, year 664 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 3: which is WHY i have a problem With daniels at. 665 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 3: Five but if you Take perdy's, career he's been freaking. 666 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 3: Good how does he not crack the top? Ten, now, 667 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: again salary does not factor in. Here we're not Saying 668 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 3: dak makes you, know sixty mili what's his value compared To. 669 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 3: Daniels that's, obvious but salary removed just quarterback. Play are 670 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 3: you a pretty believer or? 671 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 5: NO i do think that draft slot bias matters, here, 672 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 5: right because he's a seventh round. PICKED i was having 673 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 5: a throat, Pick so Maybe i'm defending him a little bit. 674 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 5: Here are you telling me that Like Rock purty couldn't 675 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 5: Be Jared goff with The lions? Offense he totally, can't, 676 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 5: Right but he gets the benefit of playing with a 677 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 5: great offensive Lining golf does and all the. Weapons last, 678 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 5: year everyone was hurt for The. Niners the offensive line was, 679 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 5: hurt was beat, up the offensives not as good As detroit, 680 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 5: is and he still did the best he could give 681 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 5: him a. Situation and SO i think he probably in 682 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 5: a given, year with everyone back, healthy is going to 683 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 5: be better than where he's ranked right. Now DO i 684 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 5: think he has the elite traits of the top six 685 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 5: guys or seven, guys, know so he's probably never going 686 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 5: to be that. High JAM i think traits, matter, right 687 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 5: the eye test matters in these. Rankings but put it all, 688 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 5: together to, me you could have the same Season golf 689 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 5: has In detroit if you just insert Brock perty into that. 690 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 5: Lineup totally. 691 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 3: Agree let me ask About Baker, mayfield who's an interesting 692 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 3: quarterback because he flopped badly in his first few, years, 693 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 3: right but he was number one Overall bick everybody loved, 694 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: him and then he fell out of favor and now 695 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 3: a couple good years In tampa And Baker mayfield number 696 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 3: ten on the. 697 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 2: List, now it's a weird. Thing it seems like. 698 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 3: These top picks they get multiple bites at the. Apple 699 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 3: if you brought. Berty you have one year By Dak, 700 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 3: prescott one bad year. Bye But Baker, mayfield hey, man 701 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 3: he was a number one. Pick he's got the, traits 702 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 3: as you, said and he checks in at ten on 703 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 3: the list your. 704 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 5: Thoughts, Yeah, LOOK i think we love The baker. Story 705 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 5: and he played well last year, though. Jayback he completed 706 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 5: nearly seventy two percent pass had forty five hundred yards last, 707 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 5: season like a legitimately great season passing the, football and 708 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 5: that you know he has weapons around, him obviously the 709 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 5: offensive line there is good but little injury right now with, 710 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 5: worfs and he's just played. Well he's a good example 711 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 5: of two things as you mentioned. Right one is that 712 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 5: draft slot BIAS i mentioned, Right if you're the first book, 713 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 5: overall you get more chances than anyone. Else and he's 714 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 5: had those. Chances now when he's had the, chances, though 715 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 5: he's cashed in right That Rams thursday and football game 716 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 5: he cashed, in. Right he cashed in in this, situation 717 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 5: get an opportunity In. Tampa that's certainly all part of. 718 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 5: It but he's played well in the. Situation situation, matters, 719 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 5: right it. Matters does the offense fits? You javin our offensive. 720 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 5: Line do you have wide receivers and then do you 721 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 5: take advantage of the. Situation SO i Get baker credit 722 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 5: for battling through part of his career that wasn't. Great 723 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 5: And i've been a skeptic of him at times as. 724 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 5: WELL i think he Realized my thing about him, is, 725 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 5: look THE nfl does a great, job will humble. You. 726 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 5: Right it's a great lead for. That AND i think 727 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 5: he got a little bit too. Big he was doing 728 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 5: those commercials when it wasn't time to do. Commercials yet 729 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 5: he was feeling himself a little bit too, much and 730 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 5: THE nfl humbled. Him he humbled, himself and he's talked 731 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 5: about that as maturing as a player as a, person 732 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 5: and he's sort of hitting his stride. Now and So 733 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 5: i'm happy For. Baker this is about. RIGHT i max 734 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 5: you get For Baker mayfield is about ten and again 735 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 5: in a given, year maybe It's love ten Or dac 736 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 5: ten somewhere around. There BUT i THINK gms appreciates how 737 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 5: well he's played given the situation he's in. Now in his, 738 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 5: TOUGHNESS i think you see him truck guys for first 739 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 5: downs and. Whatnot people remember those type of. 740 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 3: Plays, yeah, Listen baker's been tremendous the last two. Years 741 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 3: let me, Ask we hear a lot about Well Jalen 742 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 3: hurts as a stacked deck And Jared goff Had Ben. 743 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 2: Johnson let's not Forget. 744 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 3: Baker mayfield has had arguably the best wide receiver duo 745 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 3: in the league for the last two, Years evans And. 746 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 3: Godwin evans is A hall Of, Fame locke And godwin is. 747 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 3: ELITE i, MEAN i don't know if they're the best 748 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 3: wide receiver. Duo they're not better Than higgins And, chase 749 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 3: but they're certainly. 750 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 2: Top four at. 751 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 3: Worst it's, like, hey you, KNOW i don't even remember 752 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 3: who the quarterback was Before, baker But i'm fairly certain. 753 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 2: They got to the. 754 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 3: Playoffs you, know with that with that duo at wide, receiver, 755 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 3: like is he getting more more of a, leash, say 756 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 3: than Than Kyler? 757 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 5: Murray, well look, ABSOLUTELY i think you do have to 758 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 5: wait how you judge a quarterback based on what they 759 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 5: have around. Him but, again the production is, there, RIGHT i, 760 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 5: mean forty five hundred yards is four five hundred, yards 761 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 5: whether you have great guys or not great. GUYS i 762 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 5: mean it's, there like so to, me the standard is, this, Right, 763 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 5: like you have a good, roster do you play? Good 764 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 5: and the answers, yes, right he's played good to good. 765 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 5: Roster if you have a good roster play, poorly that's a. 766 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 5: Knocklock you, know of, course those guys that have poor 767 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 5: rosters to elevate those rosters around. Them so to, Me 768 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 5: baker's doing what he has to do. Right he's playing 769 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 5: well with the pieces around him that are. Good if 770 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 5: he DID j, mcaver it'd be a. 771 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 2: Problem. 772 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 5: Correct SO i think that's a. Point AND i think, 773 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 5: Too baker feels like a player maybe feel is not 774 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 5: the right word to use, here that does elevate people 775 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 5: around him right where he's not just along for the. 776 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 5: Ride he makes plays that make everyone. Better and then 777 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 5: that's a part of the evaluation, here, right do you 778 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 5: make everyone better around? YOU i Think baker is one 779 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 5: of those guys that WHEN i watch him, play everyone 780 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 5: around him is better because of the play that he's providing. 781 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 3: Them, yeah all, right great, Stuff Jeff. Swurtz let me 782 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 3: quickly get one more short one In we got a. 783 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 3: Minute but college football a lot of talk about this 784 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 3: salary cap as a guy who just missed the nil. 785 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 2: Era, jeff let me. 786 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 3: Just, quickly is this kind of, silly this union? Talk 787 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 3: and it's just it's been an interesting summer to say the. 788 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 5: Least but union will never. Happen as someone who's part 789 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 5: of THE, nflpa it's never too many players to make 790 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 5: a college. Union. Ye to, ME i would just let 791 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 5: them make whatever they need to, make like it's it's fair, 792 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 5: market free. Market just these guys are making. Money let 793 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 5: them make. Money it has even out the playing field 794 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 5: over all the. Sports look at the parody we have 795 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 5: in a given, year all over the sports now because 796 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 5: teams are able to pay guys and keep guys as 797 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 5: well and transferport all. Whatnot so to, me it's. Fine 798 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 5: the way it is is needs some, refining, absolutely the 799 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 5: need some some maybe some more rules and some more 800 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 5: eyeballs to. It, yes but sold cap is never. Happening 801 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 5: it's it's just it's just too many moving. Parts it 802 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 5: will never. 803 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 2: Happen, Jason all, right good, Stuff Jeff, Schwartz i'm in full. Agreement. 804 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 3: Obviously catch him on The Bare bets. Podcast FOXS nfl analysts. 805 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 2: Have a great, Summer, Jeff thank you, Boy take care all? 806 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 3: Right coming up next LISTEN i tease The Caitlin clark. 807 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 3: Nickname some people are gonna. Laugh Some clark fans are 808 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 3: gonna be. Outraged where we'll talk about that next here 809 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 3: on The. 810 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,439 Speaker 6: Hurt be sure to catch live editions Of The herd 811 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 6: weekdays and noon eastern non a Em. 812 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 2: Pacific, Tomorrow it's The Midsummer. 813 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 3: Classic Is Judge, Show hay And baseball's Biggest stars at 814 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 3: To atlanta for THE Mlb All Star. Game conwerence begins 815 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 3: at seven, eastern Four pacific only On. Fox all, right 816 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 3: we'll wrap up the hour with a basketball. Talk What's 817 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 3: Caitlyn clark On? Sunday she's on The struggle. Bus and 818 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 3: just BECAUSE i like total complete, authenticity, right let me 819 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 3: getting Too Caitlin clark with. This so you guys, KNOW 820 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 3: i love to play. BASKETBALL i joined some leagues out 821 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 3: here In La. WELL i just tried to level up 822 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 3: to the toughest League i've ever played. In it's called 823 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 3: The Mecca league out, here all former. Pros i'm an 824 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 3: end of the bench, guy but A gm who's open. 825 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 3: Recruit we got a FORMER nba player on our, team. 826 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 2: And i'm not playing a. LOT i don't want. 827 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 3: TO i can't hang with these. GUYS i get on the, 828 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,919 Speaker 3: court they call, out oh this barbecue. Chicken i'm gonna 829 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 3: roast this. Guy AND i get in, yesterday wide. 830 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 2: Open three from the. 831 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 3: Corner that's my money. SHOT i hit the side of the. Backboard, 832 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 3: guys not gonna. 833 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 2: Lie it was. 834 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 3: Tough AND i thought About Kaitlin clark during that, moment not, 835 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 3: really but after the. 836 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 2: Game And Caitlin clark is on the struggle bus right 837 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 2: now around the. 838 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 3: League they're calling Her Caitlyn klank because she cannot make any. 839 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,280 Speaker 2: Shots are you ready for? This her last six. 840 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 3: Games three before the, injury she was one for twenty 841 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 3: three on. 842 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 2: Threes next three, games five for. 843 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 3: Nineteen so in her last six, Games Caitlin, clark who 844 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 3: they're Calling Kitlin, klank is shooting fourteen percent from. Deep 845 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 3: but here's the real. Story they're winning Despite clark. Struggling 846 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 3: that is a huge indicator of success on the. Way 847 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 3: Kitlin clark is too good to continue to struggle. Guys 848 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,439 Speaker 3: she makes her teammates. Better she's an excellent defensive. Player 849 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 3: had five steals, yesterday thirteen. Assists this is what the 850 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 3: great ones. Do the SHOT's not, falling you find other 851 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 3: ways to, Contribute Caitlin clark ringing up the. Assists she's 852 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 3: got them playing at a. Pace AND i know you 853 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 3: guys aren't INTO, wnba that's. Fine they don't play like 854 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 3: A wnba, team which a lot of the league is still, 855 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 3: methodical playing like NINETIES. 856 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 2: Nba let's dump it down to. 857 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 3: Our big see if we can manipulate the defense and see. 858 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 2: If we can get something. Cooking they don't play like. 859 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 3: That this Is Caitlin clark whipping eighty foot passes to 860 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 3: streaking teammates for. Layups and that pace is why they're 861 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 3: going to be. Great And i'm telling you they are a. 862 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 3: Contender you can look at their record and SCOFF i 863 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 3: like to look. Ahead Cal hurt, says one of my 864 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 3: strengths is the ability to see around. Corners i'm just 865 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 3: telling you right, now The Indiana fever are going to 866 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 3: be a major problem Because clark's shots are eventually going 867 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 3: to fall and you'll stop calling Her Caitlin klank and 868 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 3: the three start falling because she's too good of a 869 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 3: player to continue to. Fail So i'm a buyer in 870 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:05,959 Speaker 3: All Indiana fever. 871 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 2: Stock Cayler. Clark she's going to get back in THE mvp. 872 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,280 Speaker 2: Discussion All, right coming up. 873 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 3: In the next hour my eight division winners from THE 874 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 3: nfl this. Season two surprises coming, up