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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. In this episode number two hundered

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Speaker 1: in sixty nine and today we're talking about a variety

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Speaker 1: of different topics, including some CWD current event news type stuff.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about shed hunting and talking Western white tales

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Speaker 1: with a couple of Westerners. All right, folks, gotta jump

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Speaker 1: in here with a quick pre show to the pregame

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Speaker 1: show story of sorts. Basically, the other night, Dan and

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Speaker 1: I record a very interesting in production forty two minutes

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Speaker 1: of great conversation on a slew of topics. We kind

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Speaker 1: of positioned this podcast is a two parter, so that

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Speaker 1: first one we talked about CWD in the news. We

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Speaker 1: talked about our latest shed hunting exploits and plans. We

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Speaker 1: talked a little bit about our dreams about doing things

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Speaker 1: out west. Very interesting chat. But about halfway through that chat,

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Speaker 1: all of us and I noticed that my application that

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Speaker 1: a small part of my soul died at that point.

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Speaker 1: I cried a little bit and I told Dan, like, Dan,

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Speaker 1: So I sat here this morning thinking, Okay, do we

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Speaker 1: run with the forty two minute interesting interview. Me and

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Speaker 1: that audio glitch, and ended up deciding to leave that

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Speaker 1: I wanted to address some important issues there. I think

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Speaker 1: the way things sound, and it sounds a little bit

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Speaker 1: different than usual, but if you don't like it, feel free.

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Speaker 1: Just a fast forward about forty some minutes and you

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Speaker 1: will get to part two. That sounds terrific, and that

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Speaker 1: is our Western White Tailed interview with Eric and Zach

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Speaker 1: and I think you'll love that. But if it sounds

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Speaker 1: okay to you, stick around for this one. Me and

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Speaker 1: Dan have a great longer than usual intro covering some

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Speaker 1: interesting topics. So thank you for your patients, thank you

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Speaker 1: for your understanding, and uh here's the show. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Onyx, and today we've got a fun episode for you.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a kind of a two parter I

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Speaker 1: guess really a two parter um. In part one, I

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Speaker 1: got my buddy and co host, extraordinary Dan Jensen here

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Speaker 1: with me. Dan, how are you? I'm good here? Listen

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Speaker 1: to this once? Do you hear this? Uh? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's my nub rubbing against my microphone. Okay, just your

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Speaker 1: tenth finger that's not there rubbing that nub. Okay, do

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Speaker 1: we need to start the podcast over? Keep that? So

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Speaker 1: Dan's rubbing his fingerless finger on the microphone, which means

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Speaker 1: he's excited. That's good. Um so so you're hearing me

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Speaker 1: slightly longer pregame show to catch up a bit on

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Speaker 1: Are you down with that? Dan? I'll tell you this,

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Speaker 1: If I was to hack into any software in the world,

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Speaker 1: to guys who are really good hunters, and I'd find

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Speaker 1: all their spots. That is how I would cheat the system.

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Speaker 1: Now would you would you? I'm gonna say that you

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Speaker 1: That is that couldn't be more far from the truth.

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Speaker 1: I figured, Uh, like I would be at so many

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Speaker 1: I know about this spot, How is this dude here?

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Speaker 1: And at my last spot, and like I start running

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Speaker 1: That'd be one amazing practical joke to like if you

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Speaker 1: totally Um, yeah, dude, there's a lot of interesting It's

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Speaker 1: I want to take a second here to do that. UM.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to test my dear right now, right,

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Speaker 1: that's the only thing that would concern me. However, if

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Speaker 1: I would absolutely hate that. But to your point, um,

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Speaker 1: So we're doing a little thing with Wired to Hunt,

430
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: which you should bot out year old wire Hunt hat

431
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: or shirt day because I figured there's a whole lot

432
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: of folks that listen to Wired to Hunt that also

433
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: participate in shed Rally and want to figure out some

434
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: way to kind of thank people who have been supporting

435
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: wire to Hunt, rocking the wire dunt hat and T

436
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: shirts and things like that. And actually, interestingly, you and

437
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: me shed hunted together during shed really right when the

438
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: current wire hunt low hats and shirts came out, do

439
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: you remember that, Yes, I was rocking I think wired

440
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: dun hat and teacher and we're shed hunting your spots.

441
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: And that was the first year of shed. Like, we

442
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: were walking all over the place and we just be

443
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: like shed Relly. Yeah, Corey was there too, Yeah, Cola

444
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: was that was on. Corey fell asleep in the truck. Well,

445
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: Corey fell asleep, and you guys weren't. You guys weren't

446
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: very good at walking uh straight lines. And I remember

447
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: you guys found a shed at the exact same time

448
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: and then you looked at each other and you guys

449
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: were both so polite. You're like, oh, man, you can

450
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: you can get it. And he was like, no, man, no,

451
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: you can have it. You can have it. No, man,

452
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: you can you can get it. You can get it.

453
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: It was pretty funny. Yeah, that was I remember that. Well.

454
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: Um so, so that is when jef Rally began. Now

455
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: it's like five years later, and um so, the long

456
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: way of saying, during Shelly writes this white Tailed Properts

457
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: deal where they get a whole bunch of folks encourage

458
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: everybody out there to go and shut onto the same

459
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: weekend and if you post photos and videos for the

460
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: hashtag shed Rally, um you get ended to win a

461
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: bunch of prizes from White Tailed Properties. And now this year. Now,

462
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to do a giveaway with wire Don't so

463
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 1: if you participate in shed Rally and you post pictures

464
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: with that sed Relly hashtag, if you're wearing a wired

465
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: hat or shirt and you're out there and you put

466
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: pictures and videos, you'll also be entered into another giveaway.

467
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: And we're going to get away five prizes. One person

468
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: is gonna win a Yeti Tundra cooler. It's that the

469
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: Tundra Halts is their new coolers, got Wilson you can

470
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: pull around. Another one of these is gonna win a

471
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeti load out bucket, one of the big fancy buckets,

472
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: fully loaded with all the different successors and stuff lids

473
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: and tool straps and seats and interesting things like that.

474
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: Another person is gonna win a Yetti there six ounce

475
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: Rambler bottle. Another winner is gonna win at first like

476
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: catalyst jacket and pant, which is the set of white

477
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: bell gear I wore a lot during this pass hunting season.

478
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 1: And then finally someone's gonna win a Vortex Impact range finder.

479
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 1: So pretty sweet, right, pretty pretty sweet surprise. And all

480
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: you gotta do is where you're wired hunt gear during

481
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: shed Rally. Uh, and if that's what I'm gonna do

482
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: is after shed Rally, I want to go click on

483
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: the shed Reley hashtag and actually add put the wiretunt

484
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: hashtag in there too, So where your wired dount gear,

485
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: put wiretunt hashtag in there too. That will make it

486
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: a little bit eager for me to sort through. Um.

487
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: But basically, I'll just hit the hashtag in my instagrament

488
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: feed and I'll just scroll through it, find out the

489
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: people that wore the wire dunt gear, everyone's names in

490
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: the hat and we're just gonna randomly select five people

491
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: and uh you'll get a sweet prizes for for rock

492
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: and world hunt gear during shed rail. So, um, alright,

493
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: that'd be fun. Heck yeah, heck yeah, I'm down. Do

494
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: I do I qualify or not? Yes? Sure you can,

495
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: you can. Okay, I'm just gonna take like fifty pictures

496
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: of the same exact shed. I'm gonna be watching out

497
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: for that, okay, all right, all right, um so yeah

498
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: that's my that's excited. Shed Rally News. We talked about

499
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: cd WD issues. Um, main topic today, Dan, once you've

500
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: got a violence is going to be Western white tail stuff. Um.

501
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: Now I know you get the Western elk stuff. You're

502
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: in treged by Western bule Deer. Have any of my

503
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: stories about my trips out there in Tregue? Yeah, oh absolutely.

504
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: I mean I've already looked at Wyoming in Montana whitetail hunts. Yeah,

505
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: it's uh, you mean you you you love the sandhills

506
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: and we chased mules out there. It's and I've chased

507
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: white tails out there too. I guess you did see

508
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: a couple of day ones in here. Yep, I mean

509
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: it's it's. Um, I'm having a hard time not going

510
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: up there every year and doing it, which makes it

511
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: tough because I love al con Um. But I am,

512
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: just as we were talking about a few weeks ago,

513
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: for some reason, I'm just getting more and more infatuated

514
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: with my original infatuation. And I'm having a hard time

515
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: saying that I won't do a white tail hunt in

516
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: September West to do an elk instead. I'm having a

517
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: hard time doing both, just you know, being away of

518
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: two weeks at a time. Um, So this year, I

519
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: don't think I'm gonna do it hunt just because I

520
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: really want to do my white tail hunt. It's just

521
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why, but you just

522
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: see so many deer. They act, you know, they're just

523
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: very visible. It's cool, really cool age class. You're seeing

524
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: older deer in the big country, the big skies. Um,

525
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's been it's been a fun thing

526
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: for me. And you definitely called a Western bug in general.

527
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: Just yeah, the Western hunt. Just how different that is? Right? Yeah, absolutely,

528
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: It's something that I think about every day. Yeah. So

529
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: have you made any more progress in your western plans

530
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: since we've talked like three weeks ago about this topic. Yeah,

531
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean not too much. Not too much playing on

532
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: the on the elk side of thing, because really, all

533
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: I have to do is just organize my gear, you know,

534
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: practice shooting, get conditioning, uh and pay the tag. Right,

535
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: the place is already there. I already know where I'm

536
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: where I would go again, the mule deer side of

537
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: things in South Dakota. I've talked with a lot of

538
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: people since the last time we talked. And when I

539
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: say a lot, I mean like five or six different people,

540
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: and they were gracious enough to talk to me about

541
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: how they work at some little tips and tricks that

542
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: they use, uh um, how to locate them, how to

543
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, set up on stocks and and all that

544
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: good stuff, and even you know, not necessarily like hacking

545
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: into the onyx system to find specific pin points. But

546
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: they're just like, hey, man, check out this area. Hey,

547
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: why are you thinking about doing South Dakota instead of

548
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: going back to your Nebraska stock that you had population

549
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: strictly population? Um, I think I would have more up

550
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: your population, yeah, mule deer population. I think I will

551
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: have a better chance of getting a stock in um

552
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: in South Dakota on public land than I will on

553
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: this farm in uh in Nebraska. Interesting. Um, I'm very

554
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: interested to see how that goes. It's it's a hunt.

555
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: That's that's always been on my radar, and I e

556
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: again it's the time thing, like what do you you

557
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta pick and choose, and I'm gonna have

558
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: to pick that eventually and try so I'm gonna be

559
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: watching your experience, CLO. What are you gonna do? As

560
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: far as um have you have you thought through like

561
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: logistics to say, in a camp you tell you gonna

562
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: rent a cabin. If I do it, I'm doing I'm

563
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: doing it as gangster as possible, and I'm gonna be

564
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: sleeping in the back of my truck. I have a

565
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 1: topper so that but that makes it easy. Um, you know,

566
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: eat everything out of the back of my truck, have

567
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: a cooler with me, um, you know all that, all

568
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: that stuff. There's some BLM land around there, so I

569
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: can definitely sleep on the BLM land. There's also, like

570
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: I think there's some campsites around there as well. Um,

571
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to do a hotel if unless I like,

572
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: for some reason have to. But I want to do it.

573
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: I want to do it, you know, as hard as possible. Yeah, man,

574
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: that's the way to do it. Highly. I mean, you've

575
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: seen my back truck hunts for this last couple of

576
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: years and something about it. I just I love coming

577
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: back to the truck after full day hunting. And for me,

578
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're doing this with anyone else,

579
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: but I also I kind of like these solo hunts.

580
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: When you just get back, it's dark, it's pitch black.

581
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: You you drink a cold beer at the batail gate.

582
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: The end of the night by headlamp, you kick back

583
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: and you're skipping bag. You know, there's nothing but Cody's

584
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: howling in the distance. There's something cool just being out

585
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: there on your own. That's that's that's nice and that

586
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: you just don't get when you're in a hotel. UM.

587
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: So camping I think is a good choice. In our

588
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: conversation that we're about to have here with Zack and

589
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: and Eric, which I recorded for this UM, we actually

590
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: get into some some thoughts on singing up Western camps too.

591
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of experience setting up like UM

592
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: wall tents for bigger, longer trips, which is an interesting

593
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: thing too, which is something I haven't done UM, but

594
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 1: that's an interesting thing to keep in mind as well.

595
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: Off to do a group with a bunch of people

596
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: sending up a big tense not a bad idea. Me

597
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: and Me and Andy May when we did Nebraska Hunt,

598
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: we brought a big, like four percent tent. It wasn't

599
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: quite a wall tent, but it was been enough that

600
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: we could bring our grill inside a little like what

601
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: do you call it, not being honing but I'm blanking

602
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: on this word, but basically like a little outdoor covered

603
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: area with the grill, and then inside the tent we

604
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: set to camp chairs in the table and the cooler

605
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: so that we could eat inside because it's really cold

606
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: at night, so we could still eat inside the tent

607
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: and we had the other half of the time with

608
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: our sleeping bags or gear, and that was that was

609
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: pretty nice too. Um. I'm a big fan of the

610
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: hunting camping trips for white tails. It's it's not only

611
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: it's very common, but it's it's pretty cool. So I've

612
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: even thought about depends. Not maybe not every day, it's

613
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: because I live so close to where I hunt in Iowa.

614
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: But I even thought about maybe an early season, you know,

615
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: first week of October, if I'm going out there to

616
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: kill the dough, parked the truck next to a barn

617
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: at the at the farm, and you know, just chill

618
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: there overnight and you know, just hunt out the back

619
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: of the truck just one night. And I think I

620
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: still think that would be pretty fun. I think you're

621
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: right for sure. Um, maybe we'll come together some day,

622
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: do that. Amen for it? I'm all for it. Well,

623
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: well we'll talk about the later. Hopefully something happens. So, um,

624
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: you know, I totally forgot to mention something unrelated to

625
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: going west, but related to our lap topic. Can I

626
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: like hit the you know when someone's working the turntables

627
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: of the DJ booth and they can yeah, but then

628
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: when they want to go backwards in time, then go

629
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: I mean yea, yeah, Well, I'm gonna hit the turntables, right,

630
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rewind the tape and we're going back to

631
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: shed hunting because it's totally forgotten to tell you that

632
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: I have found the first sheds of the year. Yeah,

633
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: I saw that, dude, and I this is like, it's

634
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: not it's not anywhere close to shirting at all. No, no, no, no, okay,

635
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: although that's interesting, someone this. So we're going off the

636
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: rails real fast year. But we did live Mediator podcast

637
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: last weekend and um, really cool events. People came out

638
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: to see the podcast, and UM, I get out of

639
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: my truck after the show and I walk up and

640
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: I see someone. There's a ticket on the windshield. Son

641
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: of a gun. I got a ticket. I parked around

642
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: place and I walk up to it. It's it's not

643
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: like an official ticket, it's actually like theater tickets. And

644
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: across the back of the theater tickets it says holy

645
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: Field Lives. I'm like, oh man, that's kind of creepy

646
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: that someone news is my vehicle. What kind of funny too?

647
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: Oh buddy. Um, So that's that's all I've got on

648
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: holy Field. But but I am nope, not Western ut

649
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: in Michigan's slash. I am tentatively exploring and this is

650
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: definitely not a sure thing, but I'm kind of exploring

651
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: some different possible options to maybe try and purchase a

652
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: small hunting property in Michigan, possibly in Michigan, possibly in

653
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: northern Ohio and mother than Indiana because I'm kind of

654
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: kind of close to the border like that where they

655
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: all come together, um, and trying me like real small.

656
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: But I've had you know, we've kind of talked for

657
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: a long period of time about how I'd love to

658
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: do it someday. Right, We've had this conversation over the year.

659
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: Would love to do it, would love to do it,

660
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: would love to buy something small. Um. So I'm kind

661
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: of looking at some different routes and maybe being able

662
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: to do that, mostly because I think it would just

663
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: be like a really cool like project, like a content

664
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: thing to talk about on the podcast and to to

665
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: share across all the different things I'm doing. Like how

666
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: like we hear about we talk about people buying a

667
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: property and making something cool that we had Dan Press

668
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: on several years ago, you and me Dan talking to

669
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: and he was talking about, Yes, starts small by small property,

670
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 1: building something cool, flip it, and then by a little

671
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: bigger one and then you can do that over the

672
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: years and finally get to something that is we really want.

673
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering maybe I should try to test the theory. Um.

674
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: And again, this is not a sure thing at all.

675
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: This is something I'm just had to fiddle in with

676
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: at the moment um. But I did find a small

677
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: property that was very instriguing, and I walked it the

678
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: other day and found three sheds on it. Yeah, let

679
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: me guess one of them is a boon and crockett

680
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: from a boot and crockett. No, okay, that's just your luck. Yeah,

681
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: my lucks are pretty good lately. No, like a spike

682
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: two pointer and a shed from last year at least

683
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: year old then would have been a four points side,

684
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: but in a nice point like a hundred, like a

685
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: hundred hundred tenants eight point or maybe something like that. Um.

686
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: But encouraging, you know, walking a property, just trying to

687
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: see what we think about it, um, and finding some

688
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: antlers just as you're checking it out. Um. That was

689
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: cool and the property is very interesting. I'll wait to

690
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: talk about this property too much until we get you know,

691
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: if it becomes a real thing. But um, but yeah,

692
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of possible things to talk about if

693
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: if this whole idea comes together. So T B D

694
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: and all that dan. Um, So that I think is

695
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: is all I want to talk about today. We talked

696
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: about sheds, We talked about CWD, talked about how we

697
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: would love coming out west and how something you should

698
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: think about. How the rest of our conversation was Zack

699
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: and Eric be pretty interesting because they've got a lot

700
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: of unique experience. Um. Anything else you want to cover,

701
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: dam No, I'm good. I I just got the text

702
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: from the wife that says, wrap it up. Okay, okay,

703
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: yes we'll wrap it up. UM. I do want to

704
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: make one quick announcement, which is is not as much

705
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: as not fun thing to talk about at all. Um,

706
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: but I just want to, um, you know, just say

707
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: a few words about the tragedy that we had in

708
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: the white Tail community here recently. Someone that you and

709
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: I both knew well, Um Todd Bringnits, the owner of

710
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: White white Knuckle Productions, and he did wicked street gear

711
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: or a tree thrasher. UM passed away UM recently an

712
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: eight TV accident. And you and I acted Dan. We

713
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: both met at the White Knuckle Film Productions film school

714
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: many years ago. UM, so that is you know, that's

715
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: where this whole thing kind of started. And uh, you

716
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: know a lot of people were really positively um influenced

717
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: by Odd. He He brought a lot of enthusiasm excitement

718
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: to everything he did in the White Tailed world. And

719
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: I think, UM just a very very very very sad thing. UM.

720
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: And he left behind a wife and two months old

721
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: UM son. So I just wanted to mention this fact that, UM,

722
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: there is a go fund me right now that is

723
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: helping raise funds to help over the medical costs were

724
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: incurred over the last week or so. UM, you know

725
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: while Todd was fighting this, and UM, I think anyone

726
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: has a little extra forgive to help out K and

727
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: their son Bagger. UM. That did a great way to

728
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: try and do that, UM, and you can I will

729
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: have a link to this on the show notes for

730
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: a podcast. You can go contribute to that go fund

731
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: me there, or if you go to the White Knuckle

732
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: Film Productions UM Facebook page. Well, I'm sure they'll have

733
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: a link there, or you could go to go fund

734
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: me and search for Todd prenants there as well. UM,

735
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: and you'll be able to find a way to up there.

736
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: So just wanted to give our condolences as the wire

737
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: Dunk community to the Pregnants family and UM, you know,

738
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: if anyone can give, that's one way to do it. Otherwise,

739
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: let's keep everyone affected by this in our prayers and UM,

740
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: with that we will. I'll tell you what. Let me

741
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: tell a real quick story. So I was living in Alabama.

742
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: I got a phone call from my buddy Brent Rich

743
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: and I was out of Alabama, like I was checked out.

744
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: I was ready moved back to Iowa. And he's like, hey, man, uh,

745
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: you're doing any hunting down there. I'm like, no, Man,

746
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: all I do is work all the time. All I

747
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: do is He's like, Man, I met this dude. I'm

748
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: going I go shut hunting with him whatever. You know,

749
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: We're starting to hang out. He's like this hardcore white

750
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: tail nut right, And I'm like, oh cool, because I

751
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: started to miss hunting when I was working all that

752
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: all those hours down Alabama. I moved back to Iowa,

753
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: and you know, I have a girl. I have a

754
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: girlfriend at the time, I have uh, I have a

755
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: house that I just purchased. And uh. I get a

756
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: call from my buddy one night and he's like, Hey,

757
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: this dude Todd is at the bar with me. It's

758
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: a bar named Key, It's a the bar we always

759
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: used to hang out at called Kios. He's like, uh,

760
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: why don't you, Uh, why don't you come meet us

761
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: out for a couple of beers And I'm like, yeah, okay, man,

762
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: I'll do that. And uh So the first night I've

763
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: ever met Todd was at the bar with my buddy Brent,

764
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: and uh, Todd introduces himself and he goes, what's your name?

765
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: I said, I'm Dan, and he goes Dallas. And there

766
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: was no there was no music playing in this bar,

767
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: so I didn't know how he didn't understand me. I go,

768
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: I go, no, Dan, Dan Johnson and he goes Dallas,

769
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 1: Dallas for Worth And I'm not shooting you. The very

770
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: first night that I met him is the night I

771
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: got the name Dallas for Worth, and people to this

772
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: day still call me by that. That's amazing. I guess

773
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: I didn't really came from that. For night very first

774
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: night I ever met while that's that's the story man,

775
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: and uh and I yeah, man, it's I think a

776
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: lot of people can can point to Todd or things

777
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: that he put on that helped bring a lot of

778
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: us together and brought a lot of joy to the

779
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: the hunting community. Um yeah, Like the first time I

780
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: ever heard about you as was on one of the

781
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: White Knuckle production DVDs, one of those that you were

782
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: on with Todd, and I remember, and that's a wild character.

783
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: He's an interesting dude. And then when we met, you know,

784
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: we kicked off our own friendship. Um. So just just

785
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: shockingly sad, and I think I think a lot of

786
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: people are are probably I don't even know what to say.

787
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: Um there's not just there's nothing to really say. I mean,

788
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: go go if you feel and if you feel like it,

789
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: go give some money to the family through through that

790
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: um go fund me app and help take care of

791
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: a two months old man. Yeah, and I think kiss

792
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: your wife, husband or child at night and just appreciate

793
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: every still day because the thin is guaranteed, and just

794
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: be thankful if we have. So that let's wrap up

795
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: this part one. Thank you Dan for making some time

796
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: for this, and um, let's take a quick break and

797
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: we'll move on to part two with Dirk and Zach.

798
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: All right, I'm here now with Eric Siegfried and Zach

799
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: stand out of Onyx and Uh. First off, guys, thank

800
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: you for being here. I appreciate you taking the time. Yeah,

801
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: thanks for having it on. Absolutely, thank you. It's uh,

802
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: it's always fun to talk to people, at least at

803
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: least I get a kick out of talking to people

804
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: that come from a different kind of background or a

805
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: different perspective on things. You know, we're eventually gonna talk

806
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: about white tails here, but your guys white tail experiences,

807
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm imagining, I think from what I gather are pretty

808
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: different from mine, and those are usually the conversations that, um,

809
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: that are most fascinating to me. Probably I I'm kind

810
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: of a sucker for the new and the different. So

811
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: right out of the gate, I'm excited about that, especially

812
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: since you guys are hunting out west, which is where

813
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: where my heart usually lies. So that's a long winded

814
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: way of saying I'm excited about this. But before we

815
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: get into that stuff, I do want to kind of

816
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: lay some background here. UM, and Eric, you founded ONYX,

817
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: which is a tool I've been using for many years now.

818
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: It's unbelievably helpful. Um So, I figure I should probably

819
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: kick this off by saying thank you, thank you for

820
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: helping me out in a lot of ways. And secondly,

821
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: how how did this all come together? I got to

822
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: hear the story of how this product came to be,

823
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: how it ended up on my phone and opened so

824
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: often to the dismay of my wife. And maybe a

825
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: little bit of background on on you personal as a

826
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: hunter and stuff would be interesting too. Okay, Yeah, so

827
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: I guess I can give a little background company history.

828
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: Um So. I started the company in two thousand nine.

829
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: That's when we launched our first products for the garment

830
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: GPS unit. It was a micros D card that had

831
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: a statewide land ownership map and topo map. You just

832
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: plug right into your garment GPS unit and you could

833
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: see those property boundaries where you were while you're in

834
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: the field. So that was the original product we sold

835
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: after we still sell that product, um and we sold

836
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: that a lot for the first three years. Then in

837
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: we came out with the app that basically turned your

838
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: smartphone into a GPS So that was and since then

839
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: most people are probably more familiar these days with our

840
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: smartphone app called on x hunt UM downloaded in the

841
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: app store. But yeah, that's kind of the overall picture

842
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: of the company really quickly. UM. I actually a little

843
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: bit of history about me. I I grew up in

844
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: eastern Montana, UM mainly hunting elk, well, mainly hunting mule

845
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: deer an antelope when I started. Then I started moving west.

846
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: I went to school in Bozeman and started doing some

847
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: artreal hunting UM and my my family actually owned ranch,

848
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: a ranch on the river bottom, so I did a

849
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: little bit of white to hunting. My dad got me

850
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: my first bow when I was sixteen, and I did

851
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of white toil hunting with that right way.

852
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: But I have done some rifle hunting for white tails,

853
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: but other than that. Now now living in western Montana Missoula,

854
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: where the company is, I do some mountain white til hunting.

855
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: Other than that. Yeah, I've been hearing a lot of

856
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: good things about that section of the state. I've I've

857
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: always hunt on the east side of the state, but

858
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: I'm increasingly intrigued by what's going up there a little

859
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: bit more to the west and north. So I'm not

860
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: to not to pick your brain a little bit about that.

861
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 1: But um, but going back to the company a little bit,

862
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 1: I mean where the idea come from. Was this something

863
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: that you always wanted to just get better maps of

864
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: album on your GPS or was this I'm just kind

865
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: of curious about how you know, how this went from

866
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: some concept that you had or someone had to being

867
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: a reality. Yeah. Yeah, kind of an interesting story. Basically

868
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: moving to Bozeman, Montana for going going to school, Um,

869
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,479
Speaker 1: I had an experience. I had to try to find

870
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: places where I could go out cutting and I did

871
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: that with for Service maps, b LM maps or whatever.

872
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: Then I had to move to Missoula and basically landing

873
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: a whole new area where I had to figure out

874
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: where I could go. So I was using for service maps,

875
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: using BLM maps, and I was like, gosh, this is hard,

876
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: hard to actually figure out exactly where you're at relative

877
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: to property bounties in the field. So that was about

878
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: two thousand seven when I was having those experiences and

879
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: just like doing that, having that personal need, I ended

880
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: up coming up with the idea like just basically, I

881
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: need this in the field with me, So how can

882
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: I have this on my GPS when I'm in the field.

883
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: I was using a total map on my garment GPUSS

884
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: didn't have the public and private landownership. So came up

885
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: with the idea, Hey, I need this public land when

886
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: I'm in the field, how can I get this on

887
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: my garment GPS unit? And I figured it out and

888
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: that's how kind of the product came about, which just

889
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: those personal experiences I had needing to find property boundaries. Yeah,

890
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: I think you're probably making it sound easier than it was.

891
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Being a small time entrepreneur myself at times,

892
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: I know that putting something out there for the world

893
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: is no easy tasks. So I'm glad that it's that

894
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: it was something you could do because we're certainly reaping

895
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: we're reaping the benefits of it now. Um and Zach,

896
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: I guess you're kind of reaping the benefits of it too.

897
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: Working for onyx, UM, can you give us a little

898
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: low down on on what it is you're doing there

899
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: and a little bit of your story too. Yeah, Yeah,

900
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: so absolutely. I work on the marketing team and so

901
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: I kind of oversee the projects that we're working on

902
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: in just the different communications and then get to work

903
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: with the partners as well, so pretty much the team

904
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: gets to make me look good and make my job easy.

905
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: But it I've been here for a little over three

906
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: years now, and I actually graduated college. I'd use the chip, especially,

907
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: you know Eric growing up in Montana. It was one

908
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: of those things on support Montana and it did. I

909
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: mean it, it solved the problem. We uh parents are

910
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 1: from eastern Montana, so we do a lot of hunting

911
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: out there where you're navigating boundaries and you know, you

912
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: always hear the term checkerboard, and so before we were

913
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: always uncertain where we were, and then once we got

914
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: the chip, it changed all that. And so I knew

915
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: in college I wanted to do something in the hunting industry,

916
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: and on X was always one that was on my

917
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: radar because they were located right in my backyard. I

918
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: graduated from the University of Montana here in Missoula, and

919
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: they actually had an internship um that I started the

920
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: day after I graduated. And then that was over three

921
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: years ago and they haven't been able to get rid

922
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: of me since. Nice. It sounds like not a bad

923
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: not a bad thing to be to be doing. It

924
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: looks like you're somehow you figured out a job that

925
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: allows you to do a lot of fun stuff too.

926
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: Because I saw you were on that that mule there

927
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: hunt with Steve in the whole Anyone's Hunt episodes, right,

928
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: that was was that New Mexico for Arizona. That was Arizona.

929
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: So that one was Arizona in December, and that was

930
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: a good time. We uh, you know, just over the

931
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: counter archery opportunity that I had never done. I've wanted

932
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: to hunt Arizona. And we just went down and stayed out,

933
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: slept under the stars for nine days and went hunted

934
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: the old here with our bow, and we weren't successful,

935
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: but we had plenty of opportunities. I ended up coming

936
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 1: to full draw on the book at forty six yards

937
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: and got busted just trying to step out beyond the shrub.

938
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: But it was a good time. You know. At the

939
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: first couple of days, we're really just trying to get

940
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: a lay of the land, kind of learned, you know,

941
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: these dear movements. But the last couple of days we

942
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: kind of got a dial and ended up finding some

943
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: books and had a ton of stocks that we got

944
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: close but just not quite enough to capitalize. That's hunting

945
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: I haven't got to watch all the full videos yet,

946
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: but I've really been enjoying like the behind the scenes

947
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: stuff on Instagram stories and uh and and falling along

948
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: with what you guys are doing here recently. So I man,

949
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: it's funny though it looks as as I was watching that,

950
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, Man, I gotta get out

951
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: there and chase some some mule deer. I just went

952
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 1: on my first cous deer hunt a couple of weeks

953
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: ago and got kind of the taste for that mountain

954
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: hunting for deer um, and so Montana's spotting go to

955
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: a lot. I'd love to do a mule deer hunt there,

956
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: but I don't think I ever could convince myself to

957
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: do it, because you can only get one deer tag

958
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: in Montana, either mule deer or white tailed deer. And

959
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't think I can possibly say no to the

960
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: white tail hunting out there, um, because man, I've gotten

961
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: so so much enjoyment out of chasing these western white tails.

962
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: But I'm doing it from a non resident perspective, you know.

963
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: So I'm from Michigan. I'm used to how we have

964
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: it here and going out to Montana it's just so

965
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: different as far as the landscape, as far as the

966
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: number of deer you see, the number of bucks, the

967
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: number of quality bucks. It's kind of like a white

968
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: tailed dream land for me out there. Um, but I

969
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: always hear from locals that just I don't know. I

970
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: don't know if people appreciate as much as I do.

971
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious what you guys think or feel

972
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: about the white tail situation out there, Like, how do

973
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: you look at and think about Western white tails? Yeah,

974
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I think one of the things that's tough

975
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: just growing up is Montana has so much opportunity. You

976
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: know our tag if you buy a deer tag, a

977
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: large portion of the state is a general unit and

978
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: there's a couple of areas that will be a permit

979
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: for meal there. But for the most part, you can

980
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: shoot either in a ton of different districts and you

981
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: can hunt them from September during archer season all the

982
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: way about til you know, early October, and then you

983
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: can do the rightful season from October ish through the

984
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: end of November through Thanksgiving weekends. So you have one tag,

985
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 1: you get so much opportunity. And what's kind of cool

986
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: with the landscape of Montana's you can be hunting mountains

987
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: that can hold white tail hand meal there or you

988
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: can be you know, in eastern Montana in these bad

989
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: lands and river bottoms that hold them both. So it's

990
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: such an opportunity thing, And I think there are folks

991
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: that lean one way or another, but for me personally,

992
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that there are some similarities

993
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: between how we're hunting them, especially during rifle season, and

994
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, just being able to you know, shoot either

995
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: if if you see it. You know, you could go

996
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: out there intending to have a spots off mule deer hunt,

997
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: but then all of a a sudden in some egland or

998
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: river bottom you see a nice white tail and all

999
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the hunt changes quickly. Yeah, I bet

1000
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: that that does make a pretty exciting knowing that the

1001
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: options there. If you had to guess, Zach or Eric,

1002
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: what do you think the split is like? If you

1003
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: had to just based off kind of your your friends

1004
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: and people you're around, if they're gonna say, like white

1005
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 1: tail guys versus mule deer guys, if they had to pick,

1006
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: what do you think it is like? Muliar people? Thirty

1007
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: percent white tailor what's that skew? Or are you guys

1008
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: of all Montanon's you're thinking, yeah, that's tough. I would

1009
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: say I would say probably more white tails are harvested,

1010
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: just because there tend to be more white tails in

1011
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: the western United States or sorry, excuse me, in in the

1012
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: western Montana and there's that's where you kind of run

1013
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: in some permantent areas for meal there. But I think

1014
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: people kind of want to hunt meal there, so I'd

1015
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: say they would say meal there. But I know, like

1016
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: around Missoula, for instance, we have not a lot of

1017
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: general over the counter opportunities from meal there. So there's

1018
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: quite a few more white tail being shot here and

1019
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: up in northwest Montana. But if you go to eastern Montana,

1020
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: there's definitely plenty of white tails out there, but it

1021
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: seems like folks are focusing on meal deer. Yeah. I

1022
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: guess in the circles I hang out with would be

1023
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: I think you're eighty percent mule there's white til yeah,

1024
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: but maybe if you look across the whole state, it

1025
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: might be more like, yeah, sixty percent mule there and

1026
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: thirty tinking, like I don't know natal the majority. Yeah, Now,

1027
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: would you say though that if you looked at the

1028
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: population of deer, it might be more a little bit

1029
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: the opposite direction. Is it safe to say there's probably

1030
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: a lot more white tailed deer the meal there in

1031
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: the state. Is that accurate? That one's tough putting us

1032
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: on plot on that one. I mean, I don't know

1033
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: on that one. I think I think there's plenty opportunity

1034
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: for both. But I think depending on where you're at

1035
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: in the region of the state, you can see more

1036
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: you know, white tails in west western Montana and then

1037
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: mill there. When you get to the east there there's

1038
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: a ton of meal there. And frankl I mean there's

1039
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: a ton of white tails when you get around river

1040
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: Bottom and egg Land. Yeah, yeah, actually interesting dynamic. And

1041
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: in Montana you've got egg egg egg bottoms and river

1042
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: bottoms and creek bottoms in eastern Montana and other places

1043
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: where you got white tails hanging out. But then you

1044
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: get into western Montana the mountains, and you've got actually

1045
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: white tails that have been moving up into the mountains,

1046
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: so you actually have just white tail mountain hunting. And

1047
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: then you also have the typical like river bottom white

1048
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: tail hunting and going out in eastern Montana and other

1049
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: places in western Montana. Yeah, yeah, that's that's got me

1050
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: really intrigued to have been talking about for a while

1051
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: wanting to try to chase some of these these deer

1052
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: up in the mountains because I've done the river by

1053
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: the thing. But um but it definitely does seem like

1054
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: two years this point, the interest exkews probably towards mule there,

1055
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: not just in Montana, but probably a lot of these

1056
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: western states. Um but I know some guys are a

1057
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: little like worried about the spread of white tails. Like

1058
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: white tails are just so adaptable. They seem to be

1059
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: increasing their populations in a lot of areas. I know,

1060
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: like if you look at the longer view over the

1061
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: last couple of decades, it sounds like it's definitely been

1062
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: something that's been growing as far as the white tail

1063
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: prevalence versus mule dear prevalence in certain places and in

1064
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: some places even maybe white tails pushing Mulei's off a

1065
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: little bit. Um. So, I've got a couple of buddies

1066
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: who are always kind of dogging me about like in

1067
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: the white tails so much, like, yeah, keep them keeping

1068
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: by you, we don't want them. Um. Yeah, But I'm

1069
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: a sucker. I'm a sucker for these deer. Um. I've

1070
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: only ever been out there though, hunting um early season,

1071
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: so I've always done the early September archery deal for

1072
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: white tails out there. Um. Does that seem to be

1073
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: at least from my perspective, it seems like there's not

1074
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: a whole lot of attention being paid to them at

1075
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: that point. From all the places I've hunted, I've ran

1076
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: into very few people chasing white tails that time of year.

1077
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: When does the white tail bug hit most people around?

1078
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: You guess is that more of a later in the

1079
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: year kind of thing, a gun thing, or am I

1080
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: just kind of experiencing a unique situation? Now, I definitely agree.

1081
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: I think it's more. You know, Montana, we get the

1082
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 1: opportunity to hunt here during the ruts, so I would

1083
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: say that's when white tail hunting picks up. Um. There's

1084
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: always folks that will go out and hunt early season

1085
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: and archery, and then in rifle, you know they'll they'll

1086
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: be out more spot in stock once that October rolls around.

1087
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: But for the most part, you know, when you have

1088
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: the opportunity hunt him in the rut, it seems like

1089
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: that's when most people are getting the white tail bug.

1090
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: That's the one thing I've kind of missed out on.

1091
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: I love like that early September time period because it's

1092
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: it's something I can't hunt at that time of year

1093
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: back home, and love getting to see that bed defeat

1094
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: patterns so much just visible activity. But I have always

1095
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: been really I just wondering what the rut is like

1096
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: in these Western states? Is it? Is it pretty wild?

1097
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: Is white tail writing action pretty awesome? Mob? I guess yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1098
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean I last year hunted western and eastern Montana

1099
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: and being able to see how the similarities but also

1100
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: just the differences between them. We have an opportunity for

1101
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: like a it's a river bottom art, it's an extra

1102
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: buck tag we have shooted with a bow and it's

1103
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: in the river bottom, and so like that one, I

1104
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: don't even really you can hunt that from archery season,

1105
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: so September one all the way through January, and I

1106
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: don't really focus on that one until that kind of

1107
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: mid November because I'm looking for them to rut, looking

1108
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: for bucks to be moving, um. And then you know,

1109
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: when I'm hunting eastern Montana with a rifle, that's generally

1110
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: you know, spot and stock, you're trying to find deer,

1111
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:57,959
Speaker 1: and so locating does. And you know, it's cool because

1112
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 1: during the rut you have bluck s crewising. So you

1113
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: can look at a group of doughs one day and

1114
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: then the next day, all of a sudden, there's a

1115
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: buck there that hasn't been and so it is one

1116
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: of those things that once the rut starts coming, it's

1117
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: great because you just have so many opportunities to find bucks. Yeah,

1118
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: So one of the things I've always noticed when going

1119
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: out there that's unique compared to some of the other

1120
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: states have hunted is just the the very very high

1121
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: number of bucks compared to doves. Like you've got on

1122
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: an average hunt for me back here in Michigan, and

1123
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: you might see fifteen doughs in one buck. But I've

1124
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: never been out to any of my hunts in the

1125
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: Western States for white tails and seeing you know, it's

1126
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: almost always even if I had average it out, I

1127
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: might see ten bucks, ten dos, or five bucks five dolls,

1128
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: Like it seems, at least from my experience, I'm seeing

1129
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: that often. Is that is that something you guys see

1130
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: often too? And then if so, I've always imagined that

1131
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: makes for like a lot of intense competition, a lot

1132
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: of fighting, a lot of chasing during the rut because

1133
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: of that. Do you see that? Yeah, I mean I

1134
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: think definitely. You know, the buck to door ratio is

1135
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: pretty good, especially for white tails. Um. You know, as

1136
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: you were saying earlier, it seems like white tails are

1137
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: a little more resilient than meals here. But I do think,

1138
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's especially once the rifle season comes.

1139
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: You always hear about like the orange army. Um, there

1140
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: is a lot of competition for these deer. But luckily

1141
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: the white tail population in Montana's doing pretty well across

1142
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: the state. Um, so you do have you know, you

1143
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: do have a pretty good buck to door ratio. It

1144
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: can vary, but I mean, I the white tail I

1145
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 1: shot this year during the rifle season, I think that

1146
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: day I saw six bucks and we ended up seeing

1147
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: like maybe ten to twelve dolls, so it was two

1148
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: to one dough but still very good, you know, Um,

1149
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: especially when you're going out looking to be able to

1150
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,959
Speaker 1: look through six bucks in the morning is not bad.

1151
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: You know. I haven't noticed anyone to one ratios. It's

1152
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: more like four does to one buck? What I usually

1153
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: see if I had to guess, Yeah, so what about

1154
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: fighting and stuff? Is there a lot of duking it out?

1155
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: Given that just in general, there's a pretty good number

1156
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: of bucks. And again I've I don't know if this

1157
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: is unique, but I've even hunting public land a pretty

1158
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: good spread of age class too. I Mean, it's not

1159
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: like it's all year and a half old for keys

1160
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: like I see in Michigan. Sometimes I see, you know,

1161
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: a couple of year and a half olds, a couple

1162
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: two and a half year olds, a couple of threes, fours.

1163
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: You know there's older deer. Um. Is there some serious

1164
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: competition for those ladies? Have you seen a knockdown brawls? Yeah,

1165
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: I mean I've I've only had the benefits or the

1166
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: opportunity to see white tail box flight once. But the

1167
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: one thing I do know is during the especially like

1168
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: this river Bottom tag I was talking about earlier, Really,

1169
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: what I like to do is I like to set

1170
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: up a decoy in rattle and I've had pretty good

1171
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: success doing that. Um, generally you'll get those younger bucks

1172
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: coming in there. But even this year during rifle season,

1173
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: we were up in the hills and we found a

1174
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: good drainage that was off of private land on public

1175
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: So I was kind of hunting that boundary there and

1176
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: finding you know, where these bucks would be moving up

1177
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: into the hills. And I was able to rattle in

1178
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: that drainage, and we had different bucks coming to check

1179
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: us out and come, you know, to see what's going on.

1180
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: And so if you have ten does running around their

1181
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: six bucks and they're all kind of curious and moving throughout,

1182
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: we ended up rattling one in pretty close. There was

1183
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: a young buck. Um. But I do think you know,

1184
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: that is one thing that it seems like during the rut,

1185
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: especially when you get to that like mid November, Um,

1186
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: there is a ton of opportunity to rattle deer in.

1187
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: They seem to be pretty aggressive at that point and

1188
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: always want to at least come check it out. Yeah,

1189
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: you have wonder about that too. What what was the

1190
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: kind of rattling sequence or strategy you're using, How like

1191
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: you're doing it just once a day or every half hour.

1192
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: I'd love some details on what you found to work

1193
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, for sure. So archery, what I'm doing

1194
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: is kind of a river bottom thing. Generally, it's like

1195
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: state sections, so they're pretty small um, And I know

1196
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: these deer kind of in the egg fields on the

1197
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: private or they're going and bedding up over there where

1198
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: there's less pressure. So generally what I'm doing is I'm

1199
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: actually on the ground. I enjoy doing it. They're just

1200
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: because I can be a little more mobile, and so

1201
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: I'll set up and rattle the perimeters of those and

1202
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: I'll generally set up for you know, do a couple

1203
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: of sequences, um within a half hour, and then sit

1204
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: and wait for a little while, see what's going on.

1205
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: And then if nothing's going for forty five minutes or so,

1206
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: I'll pick up and move and I'll kind of just

1207
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: work the whole perimeter um. And you know, there's some

1208
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: areas that I know dear tend to bed and so

1209
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:43,919
Speaker 1: I'm kind of trying to figure out where those those

1210
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: are where I think box will be in the general vicinity.

1211
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: But then with rifle, honestly moving country, um, you know,

1212
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: looking for dose because if you you know, during the rut,

1213
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: if you find the dose, you can assume there's a

1214
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: block nearby. But then all so just moving country and

1215
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: glass and trying to find deer and then finding places

1216
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: they think they're gonna bedded up in and then setting

1217
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: up a calling. But I would say when I'm rifle hunting,

1218
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,479
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna rattle, I'm I'm much more mobile less

1219
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: calling there and covering country. Yeah, man, that sounds like

1220
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: a fun way to do it, um when you're doing

1221
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: it with the bow in those river bottoms, when you're

1222
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: setting up on the ground. So you describe that set up,

1223
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm curious, like how you're positioning yourself to have some

1224
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: cover or not. But I mean walk me through, like

1225
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: an example of how you set up on the bow

1226
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: for a rattling kind of sequet. That sounds intense. I'm

1227
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: thinking in my head rattling a buck while on the

1228
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: ground with my bow and hoping to get a shot.

1229
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: I I'm very intrigued. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And the one

1230
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: thing I want to preface with this is, I haven't

1231
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: you know these are generally since it's a second buck dag,

1232
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm not. I haven't killed a stud doing this, but

1233
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: I've gotten some younger and nice bucks coming in. But

1234
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: usually I have a couple of areas picked out that

1235
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: you know, I've hunted the areas for a couple of

1236
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: years that I know where these deer going to be vetted,

1237
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: and so I'll try to find like a predominant deer

1238
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: trail that I know there's some movement on, and I'll

1239
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: go and set up and I'll put that decoy out

1240
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: anywhere from forty yards depending on what the covers like.

1241
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: And so I'll generally have them so they're facing kind

1242
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: of quarter into me. And so then when I back up,

1243
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: get a good backdrop. I just bring like a little chair,

1244
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: a little portable chair that I can set up and

1245
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: make sure I'm drawn and I'm tucked in. I don't

1246
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: have anything, you know, really covering me so much in front,

1247
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: but I'm just making sure I have a good backdrop

1248
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: and I'm tucked back. And then so theoretically, and what's

1249
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: happened in the past is I will get their attention

1250
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: and they come looking, and then in the clearing where

1251
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: they have some vision, they're able to see that decoy.

1252
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: And what I found is when I have them kind

1253
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: of quarter in two, when they come to you know,

1254
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: confront them and come up, I will have a good Generally,

1255
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get like a obviously a broadside or

1256
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: even quartering a way shot in that thirty yard range

1257
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: and so I try to get set up so I

1258
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: have good backdrop, make sure the winds in my face

1259
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: before I set up, and then you know, if I

1260
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be rattling where they're coming from, all

1261
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: set up according to the wind, and then try to

1262
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: find a trail that I think they'll come into and

1263
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: come in to see that decoy and not have any

1264
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: attention on me. Yeah, I really like that. That's that's uh,

1265
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: that sounds a good way to do it. You mentioned

1266
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: the wind a couple of times, playing the wind and everything,

1267
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: and that's something that I've always found when I compare

1268
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: like what we're doing with my typical white tailed guy

1269
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: back in the Midwest or the East or wherever, compared

1270
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: to folks that've hunted without West is lots of times

1271
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: we like obsess about send control, like really go over

1272
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: the top of trying to minimize any human odor, while

1273
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: on the other flip side, I feel like a lot

1274
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,439
Speaker 1: of folks out west are don't even care about at all.

1275
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: They're just gonna play the wind. They don't worry about

1276
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: trying to minimiz sound. They'll wear their camera clothes all

1277
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: day every day doing whatever is that? How do you

1278
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: how do you fall on that? Do you try to

1279
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: do any kind of sent control one specifically chasing white

1280
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: tails in a scenario like that, or or no, I'll clean,

1281
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, I'll make sure to wash them with stuff

1282
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: and not add any additional scent, and I'll leave them

1283
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: to air out outside. But it is I would agree

1284
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: a percent that I think in the West we try

1285
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: to play the wind. We don't worry about to send

1286
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: control stuff as much. I do, know, like with archery,

1287
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: like I try to make sure my stuff hung out.

1288
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm you know, putting it on when I get to

1289
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: the parking spot. But really I'm playing the wind on

1290
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: that one and worrying about that more so than any

1291
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: scent control on my clothing or myself. But most guys are,

1292
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: I mean during November and the run, most guys are

1293
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: out there with a rifle. You can you're out there

1294
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: doing a rattle and you're setting up maybe in a

1295
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 1: little elevating spot with more visibility to where you can

1296
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: shoot a hundred yards, so you know, you can play

1297
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: your wind when you're rattling and then make sure your

1298
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: wind going to a safe spot. Yeah, and then you're

1299
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: using a right so you don't have to worry about

1300
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: such close quarters. Yep, yep, exactly. Eric. Can you describe

1301
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,839
Speaker 1: in a little more detail your your kind of typical

1302
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: steps on a lot of these songs, because I know

1303
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: you said you're more rifle focused during the rut too.

1304
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: Is it kind of similar to some of the things

1305
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: that Zach was sharing or do you have a different take? Yeah,

1306
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 1: I guess I have tried a little bit of rattling,

1307
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: but not a lot of what I've done in the

1308
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: past in eastern Montana. Is I've actually like got to

1309
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: an elevated position and just watch where bucks are coming

1310
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: out in the fields. Froom, I'm talking like two miles away.

1311
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: You're on this like elevated hill where you can look

1312
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: at down all the down around all the river bottoms

1313
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: and eggs fields, so all glass evenings and mornings, and

1314
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: see where bucks are going into bed and coming out

1315
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: the fields. And then if I see a buck that

1316
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: UM interested in, I'll actually use terrain to stock down

1317
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: close with a rifle. And maybe I'm two hundred yards away,

1318
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: but I can usually use some sort of terrain to

1319
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: actually stock in on them and get a shot. Or

1320
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: you can go that you know, if you see one

1321
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: come out of it to a field at night. Maybe

1322
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: you just go back in the morning and try to

1323
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: get in a position where your two hundred yards from

1324
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: that field will do the same thing the next evening,

1325
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: where you actually get close to the next evening to

1326
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: where this book is coming out. Yeah, yeah, I think

1327
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite things about Western white tail

1328
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: hunting so far has just been the opportunity to do

1329
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: what you just said, which is observed dear from a

1330
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: distance and then be able to move on them. So often,

1331
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: like what I've got going on back here in some

1332
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: of the states that hunt in the Midwest, you you know,

1333
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,719
Speaker 1: you're if you want to see at least mature bucks,

1334
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: you're not very often can see them out in the

1335
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 1: open where you can actually see him from you know,

1336
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: half a mile or two d yards even lots of

1337
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 1: times if you're gonna see something, it's got to be

1338
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 1: at fifty yards or forty yards or those long distance

1339
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: observations are just tough. So so much of your strategy

1340
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: has to come down to looking at sign or trail

1341
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,440
Speaker 1: cameras or close encounter and then making a small adjustment.

1342
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 1: But when I've gone you know, North Dakota in Montana.

1343
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm sitting, you know, just like you describe. I'll find

1344
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: a high spot and I'll just watch a mile away

1345
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,560
Speaker 1: and then you can learn so much. Not only is

1346
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: that helpful from a hunting perspective, but that's just for

1347
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 1: me at least, it's a lot of fun just to

1348
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: get to see the deer and then you know, make

1349
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: a move with it with your tree stand or if

1350
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: you've got a gun, you know, sneak in on foot. Um.

1351
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: That is just just the observation, just simply geeking out

1352
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 1: about watching deer. That is just I don't know, unique

1353
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 1: to the Western landscape. It seems like you just the

1354
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:36,759
Speaker 1: views are unbelievable. Yeah, absolutely, And it always makes it easier,

1355
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, like even if the hunting is not great

1356
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: where you're at, if you're able to go out and

1357
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: see deer to neighboring public ground that they might get

1358
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: an opportunity, you might get an opportunity on. It just

1359
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: keeps you motivated throughout the day when you can just

1360
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: go up and get up high and start glassing to

1361
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: see deer because you always have that. You know, you're

1362
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: always waiting for that opportunity and it it just helps

1363
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: you get through those longer days. Oh yeah, agree with

1364
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: that anymore. I like to just use my spotting scope

1365
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, take pictures of a a certain deer

1366
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: and kind of watch them over the years and just

1367
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: like photograph them and watch what they do. And one

1368
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: of these spots that I have, you can actually just

1369
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: sit on this high rise and you can see multiple

1370
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: different fields. So you you look at this one field

1371
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: for a little bit and see what they're doing. Then

1372
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: you look over here and see what they're doing. So

1373
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: it's like you're saying, it's really neat to watch. Is

1374
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: that something that people do a whole lot around you guys?

1375
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: That being you know, actually paying attention to specific deer

1376
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: and seeing that same dear year after year. I've always

1377
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: kind of I haven't heard that as much from the West,

1378
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: but back here all the time, like we're seeing the

1379
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: same eight porter year after year. Things like that. Um,

1380
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: does that happen a whole bunch of year kind of

1381
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: neck of the woods? Yeah, I think if they have

1382
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: access from private ground. Maybe The one thing I do

1383
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: here is like someone might see a deer during archery

1384
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: season and then try to come back during rifle and

1385
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 1: locate that dear if it's like a general area or

1386
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: something like that. But I do think the folks that

1387
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: are watching year to year, Um, it's just on public ground,

1388
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: it's tough that you know, they might get pushed off

1389
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: or someone else might get in there. But you know,

1390
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: there's a ton of folks who have a place that

1391
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: they've been hunting every single year and so then they're

1392
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 1: able to kind of keep tabs on their deer. Yeah.

1393
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 1: What what kind of opportunity have you guys seen from

1394
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: a public land perspective? Um, generally pretty good quality hunting

1395
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: in the areas you guys have gone as far as

1396
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: white tails or um, you know, I've thought it's been

1397
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 1: pretty darned good in the places I've gone. But again

1398
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm comparing it to you know, Michigan, where the public

1399
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: land hunting is really really tough. Have you guys seen

1400
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: pretty pretty good success in public land at all or

1401
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 1: heard about it as far as white tails? Yeah, yeah, No,

1402
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: I think there's a ton of opportunity and it kind

1403
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: of you know, it depends on what type of hunt

1404
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: you want. So I know, like you know, like the

1405
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 1: Milk Rivers and everyone knows about the Milk River and

1406
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: it's great, and they've had some issues with blue tongue

1407
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: and whatnot the last couple of years, but it sounds

1408
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: like they're rebounding. But like I know, for a fact,

1409
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: of northwest Montana there's some really big bucks, but it's

1410
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: difficult hunting um. But a lot of that is public ground,

1411
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, and it's tough. It's thick country and you're

1412
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 1: kind of still hunting and walking through. But in eastern Montana,

1413
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: we got a ton of great opportunity where you'll have

1414
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 1: you know, in this checkerboard, you'll have egg land or

1415
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: something coming off the river bottom, and you might have

1416
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: a couple of sections of states. So the deer might

1417
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: predominantly be on private where they're left alone, but every

1418
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: once in a while, especially like during the rut, you

1419
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: can catch deer coming out onto public ground that you

1420
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: can go access. And so I think there's a ton

1421
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: of opportunity. Another great one we have is we have

1422
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:50,839
Speaker 1: block management, which is private ground for public access for hunting.

1423
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: And so this will be something where it you know,

1424
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 1: it's more agriculture. Some of it might be you know,

1425
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: in the hills or what they're leasing out for grazing

1426
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: or whatnot. But that's always a great opportunity to access,

1427
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: and it seems like there's a ton of good white

1428
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 1: tail opportunity on that as well. Yeah, especially when you

1429
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: can rattle and start pulling, pulling deer off your onto

1430
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: the public or from another ranch onto a block management area. Yeah,

1431
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: it's a good strategy. Have you ever done that mark

1432
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: where you're rattling. No, not in not in the West yet.

1433
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: I've definitely, you know, rattled deer off neighboring properties in

1434
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: Midwestern places I've found, um for sure. But but I

1435
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: feel like you guys are saying, it just seems like

1436
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: it would work so well out by you, just given

1437
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:40,520
Speaker 1: the kind of structure of the deer herds I've encountered. Um.

1438
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: So even as you're saying all this, I'm sitting here wondering,

1439
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 1: maybe I finally need to move my September bow hunt

1440
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 1: and try a rut hunt for once out there, just

1441
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: to see what that would be like, because because it

1442
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: just seems like calling in general, grunting, rattling, all that stuff,

1443
01:15:55,360 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: I'm just betting it's probably significantly more effective than than here,

1444
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: just because I mean, we've got we've got literally seven

1445
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 1: thousand eight hundred thousand deer hunters here in Michigan that

1446
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: are all rattling and calling and running around the woods,

1447
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: all in a little section. Um. So just that amount, yeah, exactly,

1448
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 1: So that just changes things so dramatically. These deer are

1449
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 1: just on They're just walking a real tight rope. They're

1450
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: very paranoid. Um. So you can't get away with a

1451
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 1: whole lot. But it definitely seems like the pressure is

1452
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: a little bit different, the herds a little bit different. Um.

1453
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: And not just in Montana. I mean I think this

1454
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: probably applies to Wyoming, in Colorado, the Dakotas. I mean

1455
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: everywhere I've been. Um, there's pockets where it's it seems

1456
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: like pretty unique that are would be a lot of fun.

1457
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: So tie on my list to try that out. Um,

1458
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 1: but to this access. How many years to come out

1459
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: to the west to hunt? Wait till so I have

1460
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 1: done it now three years? Three or four years? Um.

1461
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: I've hund in Montana three times, in North Dakota once

1462
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: now I guess, um and killed killed two out of

1463
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: three years, could have killed, could have killed three out

1464
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: of three. Um, But was was trying to get pretty picky.

1465
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: But all public land, all just on my own solo hunting,

1466
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: living on the back of my pickup truck parked on

1467
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: some public and just learning it as I go. UM,

1468
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I've had a more fun hunt.

1469
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I really really have been enjoying it for

1470
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: all the reason we were talking about. I mean, you

1471
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: see a ton of deer, you see a lot of

1472
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 1: nice deer. I haven't had to deal with a whole

1473
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 1: bunch of other hunters. It just seems like, at least

1474
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: at that time of the year to our earlier conversation,

1475
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: most folks are focusing on mule deer or elk in September. Um,

1476
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 1: I seem to be the only one crazy enough to

1477
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 1: be hunting some public land river bottoms for white tails

1478
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,959
Speaker 1: and uh gosh, I mean I've had an absolute blast

1479
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: and UM, but the the access thing is is a

1480
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: tricky deal. And we're kind of talking about you mentioned

1481
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: Black Manage. It was all these different programs that this

1482
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: whole thing is. Where I've been using Onyx probably the

1483
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: most myself is just figuring out where are these little

1484
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: pockets of state land, where these little pockets of b LM,

1485
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: Where are these pieces that you can get to? Um,

1486
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 1: sometimes it's a roundabout way, like I found a spot

1487
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: this past year where what I was always looking on

1488
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: for public land white tails on the east side was

1489
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: river bottom country that was kind of hard to get

1490
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: to though, and close to agg Field on private land.

1491
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: So I would just scour all the maps all over

1492
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: the state where I could hunt and look for these

1493
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: little pieces of public that would intersect some portion of

1494
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,600
Speaker 1: the river bottom stuff where you would have those crops nearby.

1495
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 1: And I found one spot that was a little forty

1496
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 1: acre piece that buttoned up right into that river bottom.

1497
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: There was a big private land ranch on one side

1498
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 1: of that had a bunch of what looked like probably

1499
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 1: alfalfa field, some kind of greenfield um. But you had

1500
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 1: to walk across a really big piece of state land

1501
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 1: to get to this little piece of blm that was

1502
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 1: on the her It was more than a more than

1503
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: a mile, might have been closer two miles if I remember,

1504
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: from the road, and you start up high, real high

1505
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:08,560
Speaker 1: up on this big bluff and then you had to

1506
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 1: go down like some steep canyons to get to the

1507
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: river bottom. It just didn't seem like something you know,

1508
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: the average guy or girl would want to do on

1509
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 1: a whim, and so okay, I go on, go eyeball,

1510
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: test it. See if it's actually as gnarly as I

1511
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: think it is from the map, See if I can

1512
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: even do it. I didn't even know if you could

1513
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 1: physically get down it and get back up it, especially

1514
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: carrying your bow, carrying a tree stand and sticks in

1515
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: my backpack and all the things I needed to pull

1516
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: off the hunt. Um. But I snuck out there first

1517
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,759
Speaker 1: just to scout it earlier in the day, like midday.

1518
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: Found a way to navigate down this little I don't

1519
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 1: even know you like a box canyon or something, just

1520
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: a really narrow little cut off this bluff. I had

1521
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: to slide down on my butt on parts of it.

1522
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: I brought like a hiking stick to get back out

1523
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,879
Speaker 1: on the way to get back out in the evening,

1524
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: and it just ended up being a honeyhole that I

1525
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 1: don't think many people either knew was there or knew

1526
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: that they could get to it. Um. But once you

1527
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 1: got there, it was basically like private land. I don't

1528
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 1: think anyone else wanted to get in there. Anyone else

1529
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: wanted to walk that far. And you had all these

1530
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: deer bedded on the public land and these like brushy,

1531
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: nasty thickets and cottonwood groves all moving out to that

1532
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 1: private land of feed and I was seeing I don't know,

1533
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: deer come piling out. Um. That was it was a

1534
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: cool discovery. And I found a handful of spots now

1535
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: like that where Um it's it's some really high quality hunting.

1536
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, you're not seeing you know,

1537
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: it's not like you're seeing a buck like you might

1538
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: hope to see in Iowa. You know, guys maybe want

1539
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,719
Speaker 1: to see these monstrous bucks in Iowa. I'm not necessarily

1540
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: seeing deer like that on my Western white talents. But

1541
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a lot of nice bucks. Um. I means

1542
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,759
Speaker 1: that kind of what you guys would say, like nice quality.

1543
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: You know, maturish bucks seem to be definitely available in

1544
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: a lot of spots like where you're at, but maybe

1545
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: not a hundred eight pound buck like you might see

1546
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 1: an aisle. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, I think there's

1547
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,560
Speaker 1: opportunities to get into that one eighties. Every once in

1548
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,759
Speaker 1: a while you hear about them in certain regions throughout

1549
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: the state, but for the most part, it's you know,

1550
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: you'll find a good mature buck it doesn't seem like

1551
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 1: we get the body side that you know, you do

1552
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: you see in the Midwest. But as far as antlers, like,

1553
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: generally you can find a good four or five nice mature,

1554
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, four to five year old deer fairly frequently

1555
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: if you're you know, especially if you're going to the

1556
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: extent that you do there and finding these areas that

1557
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,719
Speaker 1: no one else wants to go to, it definitely seems

1558
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: definitely seems possible. And for most how I was gonna say,

1559
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 1: how when you first, like before you came out to

1560
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: Montana and North Dakota, how did you even pick a region? Like?

1561
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: How did you find an area just to get started?

1562
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 1: You know, throw a guarded app or did you have

1563
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: kind of an idea of the terrain you wanted to hunt?

1564
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: So I knew kind of the terrain that I thought

1565
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 1: white tails will be found, and I kind of knew

1566
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: that sounded like river bottoms were the way to go.

1567
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: So I just started looking in a couple of regions

1568
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 1: where I was playing spending some time already for just

1569
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:11,759
Speaker 1: I was out there for some vacations with the family,

1570
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 1: and started saying, Okay, where's river bottoms that look like

1571
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: they might have white tails, and then tried to look

1572
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: at them at the public land border maps and see

1573
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: where public land intersected with river bottom, and I went.

1574
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 1: I looked at a number of different valleys and number

1575
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: of different river bottoms and just tried to see which

1576
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 1: one seemed to have a couple of decent public land options.

1577
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: And then when I would go out for vacation one

1578
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: year I was out there in the summer, I was

1579
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: able to actually drive around and check these these spots out.

1580
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: So I went to one valley and just drove the

1581
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 1: roads in the evenings in July in early August and

1582
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: just tried to find and see if these public land

1583
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: spots that were adjacent to private land um egg fields,

1584
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 1: see if there's actually a bunch of deer out there.

1585
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: And I went to one area, one valley, and just

1586
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: was not seeing the number of deer. I seeing deer,

1587
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: but wasn't seeing like the quality dearly the older bucks

1588
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 1: that I would be interested in hunting, didn't see him

1589
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 1: in a kind of consistent basis on or near public land.

1590
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 1: Went to another valley, another river, about forty five minutes

1591
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: an hour away, and then all of a sudden, like whoa,

1592
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 1: all sorts of nice deer, lots of deer, lots of

1593
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: older bucks, um, and some coming right off of public

1594
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: onto great big private fields right there that you could

1595
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: hunt right in the edge of. So that was the

1596
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,799
Speaker 1: first body hunted. And then I kind of just took

1597
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 1: little rumors of what I heard, like this river is

1598
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 1: supposed to be good, this river is supposed to be good,

1599
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 1: and I picked one of them, did the same process,

1600
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 1: looked for these public pieces that might intersect river, and

1601
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 1: then took just on a way the most recent place

1602
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 1: I've hunted, I never had seen it before at all

1603
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 1: until I showed up to hunted UM. So I just

1604
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: had a bunch of public parcels picked out on ONYX,

1605
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: showed up there on day one and started driving the

1606
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: roads around. They're just looking at with the binocular, scoping

1607
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:04,759
Speaker 1: it out, and um did a little bit of walking

1608
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: and just very quickly narrowed down, Okay, at these ten

1609
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 1: chunks I thought might be good, it kind of looks

1610
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 1: like one or two of them actually might be half decent.

1611
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 1: And uh So the first year hunting that general area,

1612
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: I didn't kill one. That was last year. But I

1613
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: kind of figured some stuff out and I could have

1614
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: definitely could have killed some some bucks. Um. And then

1615
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: this year I went back to the same area, narrowed

1616
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:29,639
Speaker 1: down to two spots that I thought would be the best,

1617
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 1: and it it became you know, pick your pick your buck.

1618
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 1: There was just a whole lot of opportunity then. So

1619
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 1: now I'm at the point though, where I feel like

1620
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: I've got that area so figured out. Now I'm kind

1621
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: of I'm probably looking at gift Horse in the Mouth,

1622
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking about trying to go find a brand

1623
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 1: new spot just because like that process of figuring out

1624
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 1: the new area is getting to be so much fun.

1625
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 1: I almost want to be just see what the next

1626
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:56,720
Speaker 1: new spot is and can I figure it out? Because

1627
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: this spot almost knock on wood And I'm gonna say this,

1628
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 1: and if I go back, it is probably gonna be

1629
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 1: either literal with other hunters there's no deer left or something.

1630
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 1: But it almost feels like it's too easy now that

1631
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: I figured this spot out, So I might be looking

1632
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 1: for the next adventure. I don't know. Yeah, no, I agree.

1633
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: I think it makes it fun. You know, it's kind

1634
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: of like opening Day. You just don't know what the

1635
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: opportunities are going to be, so it's it's exciting when

1636
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,799
Speaker 1: you're checking out a new country. Oh yeah, there really

1637
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: is um to to this kind of whole. Um kind

1638
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 1: of describe my own story how I'm camped out on

1639
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 1: these public land spots. What's one of the coolest things

1640
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 1: I found about these kind of hunts at least as

1641
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: like a non nonresident coming in to do a deal

1642
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: like this, you can combine really great deer hunting with

1643
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: also like a fun camping trip. Kind of that whole

1644
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 1: experience is something that's a little more common out there

1645
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,759
Speaker 1: by you guys, especially with all the public land, national

1646
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: forest or BLM or whatever where you can just pull

1647
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 1: off the side of the road instead of a base

1648
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: camp right there. Um, I feel like there's a whole

1649
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 1: lot of neat things going on as far as like

1650
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 1: these great hunting base camps, wall tent setups and all

1651
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: these things are like what you had down on that

1652
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 1: Arizona hunt, Zach with your guys camp set up. Do

1653
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: you have any recommendations as far as I don't know

1654
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: the gear that works really well for setting up a

1655
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: good base camp for a hunt like this, Um, any

1656
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 1: things you've learned over the years as far as properly

1657
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 1: packing for properly setting it up, the best way to interior,

1658
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: decorate your wall tent or anything like that. Yeah, no, absolutely,

1659
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: So I mean looking from like eastern Montana, when I

1660
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: have traveled across state, we generally will do either like

1661
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: tense if it's earlier in the year, but if it's

1662
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 1: in that November time, we bring a wall tent. And

1663
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: so what's great is you can travel and we have

1664
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: a couple of areas that we'll plan on staying, but

1665
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: a lot of times we're gonna go just find a

1666
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 1: peace public ground and we're pulling off the road a

1667
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 1: little bit and we'll put up just a you know,

1668
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: twelve by twelve wall tent for three to four of

1669
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: us and have a stove to make sure we're staying warm,

1670
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 1: and we might get you know, we're not just camping

1671
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: right where we're hunting. We might get in the car

1672
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: and travel twenty miles or whatever. But it gives us

1673
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 1: a good base camp. And so I think the biggest

1674
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,640
Speaker 1: thing is, like, especially in later in the year in November,

1675
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 1: it can be cold and it gets dark early, so

1676
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 1: doing stuff that keeps you sane during the night. So

1677
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: we'll have you know, we'll have a portion of the

1678
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 1: tent that's closed off for cooking and stuff like that,

1679
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:26,719
Speaker 1: and then generally we're getting back at you know, five

1680
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 1: to six after dark and then making dinner and playing

1681
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 1: some games, have you know, lantern in the tent, have

1682
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,679
Speaker 1: the fire going and we're playing card games or whatever,

1683
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: and then you're going to bed pretty early. But that

1684
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 1: is the one thing is making sure you're comfortable. Um,

1685
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 1: especially on you know, these extended hunts. The last thing

1686
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 1: you want to do is make this investment to come

1687
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: out to do a fourd to five day hunt, and

1688
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: then you start getting tired and losing focus on day

1689
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,640
Speaker 1: two because you're uncomfortable at night and you're cold, you know,

1690
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 1: trying to sleep in just a sleeping bag and maybe

1691
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 1: a backpack intent And there's many people that do it

1692
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 1: that way, and I think for us, like we've just

1693
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: found like if you're comfortable when you're sleeping, you're able

1694
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 1: to hunt harder, longer, but earlier in the year when

1695
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: it's nicer. Um things that we've kind of like doing

1696
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,839
Speaker 1: is what you're talking about is just a truck stopper

1697
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 1: and being able just to have like a you're sleeping

1698
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 1: pad in there and you can be mobile. It's really

1699
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 1: nice just being able to uh find a spot, check

1700
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: it out for a couple of days. If you don't

1701
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: like it, load your stuff up quick and get moved

1702
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: into the next one, and then pull your cooler out

1703
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 1: and pull everything out and just sleep in the back

1704
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 1: and that gives you a little storm coverage there. Yeah. Yeah,

1705
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 1: definitely come to like that style. That that's you know,

1706
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 1: like what I've been doing, and that the flexibility of

1707
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 1: it is so nice. When we're We're doing North Dakota

1708
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 1: hunt this past year and I've been hunting Montana. I

1709
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:52,600
Speaker 1: filled my tag. I met up with a friend of

1710
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 1: mine that was North Dakota not too far away, doing

1711
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 1: the same thing, and he had been struggling. Wasn't finding

1712
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 1: the deer we thought we were gonna be finding there.

1713
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 1: So I as took one night in one morning and

1714
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: just scouted, trying to hit up high spots, kind of

1715
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 1: doing what we're talking about earlier, getting up on high spots,

1716
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 1: looking out over long areas and trying to see, you know,

1717
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 1: are there even the deer we want to hunt here

1718
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: at all? And after an evening in the morning of

1719
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 1: doing that kind of long distance glass, and I decided,

1720
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 1: you know what, I just I don't think it's happening

1721
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 1: right now. If we had another week to really dive in,

1722
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: maybe we could figure out these where these deer are,

1723
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: and maybe they're back in the cover and they're not

1724
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: coming out to feed where we thought they would be.

1725
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:27,639
Speaker 1: But I made the decision that I think we could

1726
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: probably better use our last two days by just going

1727
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 1: to a brand new area where it looks like there's

1728
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 1: a bunch more open egg fields that we could get

1729
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 1: close to and and glass up some deer. And so

1730
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 1: it was really easy to say, all right, camps just

1731
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: in the back of the truck, just throw you know,

1732
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 1: your camp chair in there and go. It wasn't like

1733
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 1: some huge operation of tearing down a massive camp or

1734
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 1: hooking up a trailer. And you know that stuff, while

1735
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 1: really nice, can sometimes make it harder for you to

1736
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 1: be nimble and um in some situations. That's nice to have,

1737
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 1: at least in the one I was, and that worked

1738
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 1: out perfect. But yeah, absolutely, it's always nice when you

1739
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 1: can be mobile um and it is just so convenient

1740
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, you can only bring so

1741
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 1: much with a truck in the topper so you don't overpack,

1742
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:14,639
Speaker 1: and you can pull out and make a quick camp

1743
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,679
Speaker 1: and set your chairs up, and then you could tear

1744
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 1: it down just as fast at the same time, though,

1745
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 1: you can make it however nice you want it. Really,

1746
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: you could just do a topper, or you can do

1747
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: a full like camper in the back of the truck,

1748
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,680
Speaker 1: that type of camper, I don't know. Yeah, Or you

1749
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 1: can pull a little trailer. I've got a jumping jack

1750
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 1: trailer that I use. It's just a canvas tint that

1751
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: pops out. Or you could go full on. You could

1752
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 1: go hardside and smaller trailer just a little more difficult

1753
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 1: to turn around in things, but you can just pull

1754
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 1: off the side of roads, set that thing up, be

1755
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 1: good to go. Or you could just like you said,

1756
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 1: be even more mobile and quick by just camping in

1757
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 1: the fact of your pickup under your topper. How do

1758
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 1: you like that jumping jack? I've seen those. I've been

1759
01:30:54,840 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 1: kind of intrigued by that. I like it a lot. Yeah. Nice,

1760
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 1: and it's easy to tow, nice and lightweight, easy to

1761
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 1: turn around, and a little bit higher off the ground

1762
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 1: so I can still take it through crick crossings and stuff.

1763
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 1: If you get a little more off road. That's what

1764
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 1: I like about it. You can pull my camper pretty

1765
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:15,600
Speaker 1: much anywhere. I don't worry about dragging it through a

1766
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: crick crossing or something. That time, well, we spent some

1767
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 1: time during fair season. I mean that thing. It was

1768
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 1: cold and snowy, and that thing came up a mountain

1769
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 1: road that was pretty bumping. And you know, they just

1770
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 1: have them set up so they are durable and meant

1771
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 1: to go. Really the only constraint you have is you know,

1772
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 1: just backing up and getting around on roads. But otherwise,

1773
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 1: like those things are pretty solid and easy to pull

1774
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 1: with you wherever you want to go hunting. Is that

1775
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 1: is that? Also the one that has a portion of

1776
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 1: the trailer is like open platform for you to put

1777
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 1: gear or a four wheeler or something like that, And

1778
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: I thinking the same one. Yeah, that's the one that

1779
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 1: they all have that set up where it pulls up

1780
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 1: and then you can put gear on top, or a

1781
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:00,719
Speaker 1: t V S or your razor or whatever you want. Yeah,

1782
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 1: that's slick. That's really slick. Um cycle on TV. Yeah,

1783
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 1: So so back to the um Back to the wall

1784
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 1: tent though, because this is something as much as I

1785
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 1: like my very nimble mobile truck camper style. UM, I

1786
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,719
Speaker 1: do think I want to try one of these slightly

1787
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:24,480
Speaker 1: more relaxing. I don't have more relaxing, slightly more luxurious

1788
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 1: camping experience, specially if I came out in November when

1789
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:31,719
Speaker 1: it would be awfully cold. UM. I know zero about

1790
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 1: wall tents, about the right gear to bring along for

1791
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 1: a hunt or for a setup like that. UM. Is

1792
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: there any specific things you found, like should you be

1793
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: bringing I see lots of cots. People usually bring cots

1794
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: instead of sleeping on the ground pads. Um do you

1795
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 1: recommend something like that? Any specific models, any specific camping

1796
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 1: or cooking gear setups that worked well for you guys

1797
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 1: and the wall tent set up. Um, I'm I'm really

1798
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 1: used to minimalist camping. I'm curious to hear if there's

1799
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:06,560
Speaker 1: anything from the wall tent side that's that's a little different. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely,

1800
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 1: So like with the wall thing, you know, if it's

1801
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: November and we're gonna be there for four or five days,

1802
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: we can pack a little. We can pack more stuff

1803
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 1: than if we're planning on just doing like if we

1804
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 1: have sleep in the back of our pickup or whatever.

1805
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:21,759
Speaker 1: But with ours, Like it's a pretty simple tent um.

1806
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 1: I think we got it from Cabella's. You know, it's

1807
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 1: under a thousand bucks. And then we just got a stove,

1808
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:29,679
Speaker 1: a wood stove that goes with it. And so what's

1809
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: nice is, you know, the biggest thing is heat when

1810
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 1: it's when it's that cold and then get down to

1811
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 1: zero and be windy, being able to come back and

1812
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 1: dry your boots off and just be warm it is great.

1813
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 1: But then the other thing is like a cot. I

1814
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 1: seriously recommend a cot. I think ours are just they're

1815
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 1: not ultra light or anything. They're just the Cabella's ones.

1816
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:51,640
Speaker 1: But it, uh, that's just nice because it gets you

1817
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:53,680
Speaker 1: up off the ground so you're not losing all that

1818
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 1: heat from the frozen ground. And so the other thing

1819
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 1: too is storage wise, being able to take your pack

1820
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 1: or you're rifle or you know, your boots and put

1821
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 1: them underneath because you got all these cops laid out

1822
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 1: in the tent. So it helps with storage and then cooking. Really,

1823
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 1: I mean we pretty good. We take you know, one

1824
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 1: of those just like you know, there's a hundred different models,

1825
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 1: you know, I know, it's like a Coleman two burner

1826
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,720
Speaker 1: stove and I know Camscheff as one and there's all

1827
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 1: sorts of different models and that a pot in one pan,

1828
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 1: and then we usually are bringing stuff. You know, we'll

1829
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 1: bring some elk steaks if we have them, some of

1830
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,680
Speaker 1: the just like easy mac macaroni and cheese, stuff like

1831
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 1: that that we're just cooking. And then the other thing

1832
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 1: that you can run into in a lot of these

1833
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,719
Speaker 1: areas if you're kind of away from towns is water

1834
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 1: and bringing enough water. So we'll have like a five

1835
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 1: gallon jug, plenty of water bottles and stuff like that.

1836
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 1: You're using it to clean up. You know, you'll heat

1837
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 1: up water after a couple of days and use that

1838
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 1: to clean up. But then also just cooking and stuff

1839
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 1: like that. But generally we'll pull up the back of

1840
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 1: the pickup so it's right out front of the tent

1841
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,080
Speaker 1: and we cook kind of on there, or we'll have

1842
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:01,639
Speaker 1: it in the tent if we only have a couple

1843
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 1: of people, but then everything just gets stored in the

1844
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 1: pickup that's not in the tent. And then you know,

1845
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 1: definitely want camp chairs, places to sit so you can

1846
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 1: play cards at night. But really the biggest thing is

1847
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 1: just you know, if we're gonna bring a wall tent.

1848
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 1: We want to be comfortable, so we're going to make

1849
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 1: sure that we have something to cook with. We're gonna

1850
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 1: have our cots and probably have a couple of camp

1851
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 1: chairs to hang out because you know, you got four

1852
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 1: to five hours of dark to burn each night, so

1853
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 1: just trying to find something to Yeah, that makes sense.

1854
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:34,679
Speaker 1: What kind of size do you recommend? I'm guessing maybe

1855
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:38,720
Speaker 1: like two to four people. Do you get like the

1856
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 1: smallest possible? I'm curious lots of times, like when you

1857
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:45,720
Speaker 1: buy two person backpacking tent, really that's gonna be kind

1858
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: of a one person tentant or like you and your wife.

1859
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 1: But oftentimes like a two person backpacking intent would be

1860
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 1: really really really tight for two adult men. Is that

1861
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 1: kind of same deal with wall tents? Like, if you

1862
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 1: want to get something that's gonna hold four guys, you

1863
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 1: probably don't want to buy a tent they say for four,

1864
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 1: because that's still gonna be too cramped. Is that the

1865
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 1: same kind of deal. Yeah, especially if you're gonna put

1866
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 1: a stove in it. You know that stove takes up

1867
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,639
Speaker 1: some room and you can't you can only sleep so

1868
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 1: close to it. It's putting off a lot of heat.

1869
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 1: So I think you know ours is a twelve by

1870
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 1: twelve and four the max you would want to fit.

1871
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 1: And that's with putting stuff under your cots and then

1872
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 1: also putting stuff in the pickup. UM. But you know

1873
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 1: they make these wall tents. There's so many different models.

1874
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:29,799
Speaker 1: They make some that are like ten by twenty just giant,

1875
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: and you have like a cooking quarters and then you

1876
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 1: have your sleeping stuff. That one's much more comfortable. But

1877
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: if you're looking like anywhere from two to four, you

1878
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:41,599
Speaker 1: could definitely get away with like a twelve by twelve

1879
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 1: something around that nature, um, and then just planing it

1880
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 1: on store and some of your stuff and your pickup outside.

1881
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 1: But it's it's incredible because now you know, you see

1882
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: a lot of guys with these teepees and stuff like that. Um.

1883
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 1: I know Eric has one, and you can put a

1884
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 1: stove in there. And you can get these what they

1885
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:01,599
Speaker 1: call like eight ten man teath bees. Really you're sleeping

1886
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 1: like maybe board or four or four in there, but

1887
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 1: they're just much lighter. You can take the more places.

1888
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: They're pretty quick to set up. UM. So there's a

1889
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 1: lot of different variations of it. I think kind of

1890
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 1: a common thing when you're using the late season. It's

1891
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 1: just having a heat source and being able to put

1892
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 1: a stove in there. It's really the biggest convenience factor. Yeah,

1893
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 1: those those tints are funny. Like you talked about the

1894
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: TV tins, they rate them as how many people can

1895
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 1: they domino in. Here's the regular size of the person.

1896
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 1: How many people can be domino in this thing? And

1897
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 1: so it's an eight person tent, but really that's like

1898
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:38,679
Speaker 1: a three person with all the gear you have. Yeah,

1899
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 1: comfortably maybe four. So yeah, they always rate them by

1900
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 1: how many they can like tetricize into the tin. But

1901
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:48,679
Speaker 1: I don't think the wall tents are like that. They're

1902
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 1: just more like twelve by twelve or so rated by

1903
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 1: people they can they Yeah, they generally recommend how many

1904
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 1: can fit in there. But I've found like with a

1905
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, a ten by ten twall, twelve by twelve

1906
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 1: three is comfortable. Four you're getting tight, but you can

1907
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:07,600
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, So for someone now I'm kind of

1908
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,639
Speaker 1: thinking in my head about right, we're kind of laying

1909
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 1: out the things to be thinking about if you're gonna

1910
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 1: come out to do your first Western whitetail hunt in

1911
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 1: a state like Montana, North Dakota, Wyoming, something like that. Um,

1912
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,000
Speaker 1: we've talked through a lot of stuff when it comes

1913
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 1: to the tactics that are gonna work. We've talked a

1914
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 1: little bit aout the camping. Another thing that would be

1915
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 1: on my mind if I had never been out there before,

1916
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 1: let's say, in that November time frame for the rut,

1917
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 1: I'd be a little worried about getting around and like

1918
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:35,559
Speaker 1: the conditions. Um, if it's you know, I've been out

1919
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,639
Speaker 1: there on some of these roads in the spring when

1920
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 1: they get super super muddy. Um, is there anything that

1921
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:44,759
Speaker 1: someone should be thinking about as far as the vehicles

1922
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:47,679
Speaker 1: they bring, or like worrying about snow and wind? Should

1923
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 1: you bring studs or something like that or chains as

1924
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 1: far as that kind of stuff for in November Hunt,

1925
01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:55,639
Speaker 1: do we have to worry about that kind of weather

1926
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 1: in the Northern Rockies, northern Great Plains or you know

1927
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 1: my being an over paranoid Michigander. Yeah, depending on where

1928
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:08,959
Speaker 1: you're going, they're definitely places you can get into pickles

1929
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:13,360
Speaker 1: when the when the strain or snow start coming down.

1930
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, you definitely should be thinking about bringing a

1931
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 1: high clearance four by four vehicle. I mean, if you're

1932
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 1: looking anywhere in eastern Montana where you got a gumbo

1933
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 1: and haven't been to night, type soil that gums up

1934
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 1: your tires. That can get really nasty. If you get

1935
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 1: like a one inch wet snow or just one half

1936
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:32,600
Speaker 1: an inch rain, sometimes you have to be prepared to

1937
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 1: just like let that dry or let it freeze the

1938
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 1: next morning. So yeah, brings change. I mean if you're

1939
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 1: looking at like Ford Pack area, eastern Montana type hunting, Yeah,

1940
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 1: I have a four wheel drive, have good tires, bring

1941
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 1: change just to be safe. Yeah, I think the good

1942
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 1: tires is a huge one. Um, regardless where you're at

1943
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 1: the state. If you're on these mountain roads up here,

1944
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:57,720
Speaker 1: there's rocks all over, you know, they're the cliffs I

1945
01:39:57,760 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 1: had to break in or whatever. And then in eastern

1946
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 1: Montana still have rocks even though it's a lot of gumbo.

1947
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 1: And the last thing you want to do is have

1948
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:06,160
Speaker 1: to change a tire and then not have a spare.

1949
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 1: Probably should go back to town and get another, get

1950
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,680
Speaker 1: a patch, or get another one. So having good like

1951
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:14,759
Speaker 1: you know, ten flat tires that are pretty durable. Um,

1952
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 1: I've had to use chains a couple of times this year.

1953
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is a shovel, um, snow, mud,

1954
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 1: whatever it is. You can get stuck in some areas

1955
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 1: and have to dig yourself out. So, you know, I

1956
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 1: think the key things are definitely having a good four

1957
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:31,799
Speaker 1: by four, make sure you have some good decent clearance

1958
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:33,960
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be going through some cracks and stuff

1959
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:37,759
Speaker 1: like that. Good tires, chains never hurt in a shovel

1960
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 1: or pretty important there. Or if you've scouted there's county

1961
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 1: roads that are graveled, well, if you can you can

1962
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,720
Speaker 1: always develop your plan around sticking to those and then

1963
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:51,040
Speaker 1: camping off of those gravel roads, then you can be

1964
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 1: pretty safe. You don't have to worry so much about

1965
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 1: gumbo and everything. So there is a way to do

1966
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 1: it where you can be safe about not having to

1967
01:40:57,439 --> 01:40:59,599
Speaker 1: get stuff and just have to develop your plan around

1968
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:02,639
Speaker 1: sticking to those gravel county roads more than anything. Yeah,

1969
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:05,000
Speaker 1: and this is this is really focusing on kind of

1970
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:08,320
Speaker 1: that later rifle season when the weather can be variable

1971
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:11,240
Speaker 1: and you got anything from you know, we've had November

1972
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:13,840
Speaker 1: it's been sixty degrees in raining, or it can be

1973
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 1: zero and snowing. So mountains or eastern Montana. It's if

1974
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 1: you're going to be venturing around, it's not a bad

1975
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 1: idea to be prepared. But like Eric said, you can

1976
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 1: find these county roads where they'll be maintained and you'll

1977
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 1: be pretty safe if you stick to those. Yeah, is

1978
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:32,240
Speaker 1: there anything else now that we're talking about it? Like

1979
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 1: for a first time Western hunter and I guess you

1980
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 1: know we're talking about white tail hunters, but maybe even

1981
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 1: someone who's trying one of the other species. Are there

1982
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 1: any other big, big, just I don't know what I

1983
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:45,400
Speaker 1: call it, something that you really want to make sure

1984
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 1: keep in the back of your mind if you're coming

1985
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:50,040
Speaker 1: out here, try something like this for the first time. UM.

1986
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I know there's a million ways that you

1987
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,800
Speaker 1: go with this, but if there's anything that jumped out

1988
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 1: to you, like don't forget to bring a shovel. That

1989
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 1: was a great one, um, any other ones like that

1990
01:41:58,200 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 1: you'd want to leave someone with the keep in mind

1991
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 1: they wanted to give us a shot, So you might

1992
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:07,559
Speaker 1: bring a gun cleaning kid if you're if you're rifle hunting,

1993
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:10,120
Speaker 1: just in case the same situation you get muddy and

1994
01:42:10,200 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 1: you drop your rifle and you get mud stuck up

1995
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 1: the barrel or snow. It's always good to have a

1996
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:19,559
Speaker 1: little yeah yeah snake or something. Yeah. And I think

1997
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:23,040
Speaker 1: the other thing is like definitely doing the research ahead

1998
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:24,800
Speaker 1: of time on the areas you're gonna be hunting and

1999
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 1: making sure you know the rigs. You know, like I

2000
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 1: said earlier, there are some areas that are permit areas

2001
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 1: and they can be right next to them. They might

2002
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:33,120
Speaker 1: be the only one in that region and you run

2003
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:36,160
Speaker 1: into that with Meal there specifically, but if you're coming

2004
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:38,879
Speaker 1: out to Montana, you have the opportunity to do both.

2005
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 1: So I think the biggest thing is just making sure

2006
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:44,800
Speaker 1: you know all the different hunting districts. And this is

2007
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:47,599
Speaker 1: talking more Montana specifically, but one thing we've had come

2008
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:49,680
Speaker 1: up recently that we haven't had to worry about is

2009
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 1: c w D and so we have some of these

2010
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:54,960
Speaker 1: areas where they want you to check them in. You

2011
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:57,920
Speaker 1: have to be careful on how you're transporting this animal

2012
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 1: and just some different regulations around that, and so that's

2013
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 1: something we haven't had to worry about. But even you know,

2014
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 1: as residents were hunting every year, we are now having

2015
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 1: to educate ourselves and make sure we know you know

2016
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 1: where we're at exactly based on you know, if we're

2017
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 1: gonna be traveling through or whatnot. Yeah, so you guys

2018
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 1: have a new or relatively new layer on ONYX that

2019
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 1: shows c w D cases. Right, how does how does

2020
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 1: that work? What exactly does it show on that front?

2021
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 1: Just so I think that is helpful for people that

2022
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 1: might be going to a new area need to figure

2023
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:33,480
Speaker 1: out do they need to worry about that or not? Right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

2024
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:35,800
Speaker 1: So we worked with q d m A on that one,

2025
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 1: and so they've been collecting those different counties that have

2026
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:41,639
Speaker 1: the c w D cases and really what the idea

2027
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:44,559
Speaker 1: on that one is is to highlight that you know,

2028
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 1: if you want to hunt in that county, you need

2029
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 1: to do your research and make sure you know what

2030
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 1: the regulations are. And so it's a nationwide layer, but

2031
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 1: you can kind of look at them. The one thing

2032
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:55,639
Speaker 1: with it is like you know, trying to get the data,

2033
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 1: it's not going to be you know, it's tough to

2034
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 1: keep it right. You gotta make sure you know on

2035
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 1: which days you're going based on the year when it's updated.

2036
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 1: But the biggest thing is if you see it, it'll

2037
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:08,719
Speaker 1: tell you, you you know, if it's an area of interest

2038
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,720
Speaker 1: or if it's if it's in that county, then it

2039
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 1: allows you to you know, contact Montana f w P

2040
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:18,160
Speaker 1: and be able to figure out what the regulations are,

2041
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:20,479
Speaker 1: what you should be looking for, how you should handle

2042
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 1: the animal um and things like that. And so it's

2043
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:26,519
Speaker 1: a good starting place to kind of see if you know,

2044
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 1: if you're throwing a darted the map and you're going

2045
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 1: to go hunt this unit, just so you have all

2046
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:34,639
Speaker 1: the information, you make sure that you can be confident

2047
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 1: and not have to worry about any of the regulations

2048
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:40,280
Speaker 1: around that. Yeah. And I think as a response to hunter,

2049
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,240
Speaker 1: if you do you see that there's ever been a

2050
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:45,720
Speaker 1: c w D case in that county, you should take

2051
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 1: it upon yourself to bone that animal out and saw

2052
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:52,120
Speaker 1: the school plate to where you're not transporting that c

2053
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:55,800
Speaker 1: w D into another area, especially if you're gonna take

2054
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 1: it back to wherever your home state is. Yeah, better,

2055
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:01,679
Speaker 1: better safe and sorry. And to to the earlier point,

2056
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 1: there are certainly a lot of regulations around it that

2057
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 1: you just don't want to you don't want to make

2058
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 1: a mistake there. So I think that's very handy to

2059
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:10,439
Speaker 1: be able to get that information on in one nice place.

2060
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:13,080
Speaker 1: And I guess that's kind of a nice uh segue

2061
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 1: into kind of last thing I thought would be worth

2062
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 1: touching on before we wrap things up, which is just

2063
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, I've talked a lot about how I've been

2064
01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 1: using on X over the years, just chatting and chatting

2065
01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:25,720
Speaker 1: about it on the podcast and whatnot. But are there

2066
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:28,840
Speaker 1: any specific things that you think that white tail guys

2067
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 1: or girls should know specifically about that tool, Any features

2068
01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 1: maybe that are overlooked, any layers of people maybe aren't

2069
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:39,880
Speaker 1: taking advantage of as much as they should. Um uh,

2070
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot to us, so I think it's

2071
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 1: easy for people to miss things. Is there anything that

2072
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:44,920
Speaker 1: jumps out to you guys that we should leave folks

2073
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:48,679
Speaker 1: with it to check out next time they're on there. Yeah,

2074
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:52,120
Speaker 1: we don't see enough people using sharing in the app.

2075
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 1: You can share way points with people, So I even

2076
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:57,360
Speaker 1: think of like the Midwest, when you if you have

2077
01:45:57,400 --> 01:45:59,639
Speaker 1: a buddy come to your place that you lease or whatever,

2078
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is share a waypoint of a

2079
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:04,840
Speaker 1: true stand with them, and you might be able to

2080
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:06,679
Speaker 1: send them out to that true stand without ever having

2081
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:08,800
Speaker 1: to like take them out there. Just give them the

2082
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:11,120
Speaker 1: waypoint and should draw a line of where they're supposed

2083
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:13,599
Speaker 1: to walk. And you don't even have to walk them

2084
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 1: out there the next morning. You can just turn them

2085
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 1: loose and they can be very confident that they can

2086
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 1: get to that true stand as long as they have

2087
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:26,719
Speaker 1: that waypoint and that wine. It's you know, to add

2088
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:29,000
Speaker 1: on that. The other thing you can do is sharing

2089
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:30,720
Speaker 1: with loved ones. You know, just if you're going to

2090
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 1: travel out to Montana and being able to share it

2091
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:35,920
Speaker 1: with you know, maybe a hunting buddy, so someone knows

2092
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:38,679
Speaker 1: the general area that you are. Maybe it's just where

2093
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:40,560
Speaker 1: your camp is. You know, you're obviously not going to

2094
01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 1: share your hunting locations with everyone, but being able to

2095
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:44,840
Speaker 1: share them with your close hunting buddies and your loved

2096
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 1: ones just for peace of mind UM is another, you know,

2097
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 1: a great way to use it. UM Definitely when you're

2098
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:53,680
Speaker 1: pointing out different areas. If you're sharing a location, but

2099
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 1: the one we find a lot is a lot of

2100
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 1: folks sharing it just for peace of mind, so someone

2101
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:01,680
Speaker 1: knows where they're at. Yeah, yeah, that's a good way

2102
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:04,320
Speaker 1: to just make sure I make sure you don't do

2103
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 1: what I've done in the past one year I I

2104
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:09,320
Speaker 1: have been telling my wife for hour was every day,

2105
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:11,880
Speaker 1: And then I switched up my plans and moved to

2106
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 1: a new area and didn't have cell phone service for

2107
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 1: a whole day, and more than twenty four hours passed

2108
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,800
Speaker 1: by from last time she'd heard from me, and she

2109
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:21,920
Speaker 1: kind of got worried. Had the cops go check on

2110
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:26,720
Speaker 1: my campsite? I wasn't there anymore, So don't don't make

2111
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:30,320
Speaker 1: the mistake I've made. Oh man, that was a tough

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Speaker 1: lesson to learn, but um, yeah, I mean, there's those

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Speaker 1: things you mentioned, are are all things I've done very helpful.

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01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 1: That the sending a tech you can just text away

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01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:44,120
Speaker 1: point to to a friend, and that works a whole

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01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 1: lot better than saying, Okay, park at the big oak tree,

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Speaker 1: follow the you know, the glowing tabs for hundred yards,

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Speaker 1: then you get across the creek, go left fifty yards,

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Speaker 1: wait for the owl to hoot, and then you know

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Speaker 1: you're there. I mean, that's that doesn't work all that

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01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:04,560
Speaker 1: The shared waypoint improve things dramatically. So I'm I'm appreciative

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Speaker 1: of the two of you guys have put out there,

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01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:08,400
Speaker 1: and uh, I appreciate you guys taking the time to

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01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:10,479
Speaker 1: talk about it and share some of your experiences out

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01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:14,719
Speaker 1: there chasing chasing white Tails and the promised land Um.

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Speaker 1: I'll be back this year. I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: So anything you guys want to wrap up with any

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Speaker 1: other final things that people should look out for as

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01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:27,280
Speaker 1: far age future features, or maybe maybe talk through exactly

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01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 1: where they can find onyx online if if people aren't

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01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:33,800
Speaker 1: familiar with it too. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so, I mean

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01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:36,160
Speaker 1: you can always if you haven't tried the app, you

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01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 1: can just install it. You get seven days free, so

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01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:40,680
Speaker 1: you can try everything out for free, and then if

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01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 1: you enjoy it, you can purchase one state where you

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01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 1: can purchase all fifty and um features coming out. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think one big thing I want to get to

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01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:52,599
Speaker 1: before that is we you know, we have nationwide public

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01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:56,080
Speaker 1: and private boundaries and land ownership names and so the

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01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 1: one thing that commonly happens is we're getting these from

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01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 1: the individual on ease and so it can be outdated

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01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 1: and if that's the case, we do appreciate it when

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01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 1: customers send those in and report those there's because that

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01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:09,840
Speaker 1: just helps us be more accurate. But also on top

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01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:13,000
Speaker 1: of that, you know, requested features, we definitely listen to

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01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:15,320
Speaker 1: them UM and helps us make a better product. So

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01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:17,560
Speaker 1: we look at all the customers as boots on the

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01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:19,840
Speaker 1: ground for us, just helping, you know, try to get

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01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:22,759
Speaker 1: a product that works for everyone, no matter where you're hunting,

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01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:24,840
Speaker 1: if you're hunting white tails in the mountain the western

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01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 1: Montana or if you're hunting them over in Michigan by

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01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:30,799
Speaker 1: you and so looking at it, some of the feedback

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01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:34,040
Speaker 1: we've gone is UM being able to just folks want

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01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:36,560
Speaker 1: to be able to share more, and so this is

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01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:39,560
Speaker 1: something on our radar. UM. We're working on it and

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01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:41,960
Speaker 1: definitely will be one of the features coming up is

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01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 1: just being able to share more of your data, so

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01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 1: multiple way points, maybe tracks, shape, stuff like that, and

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01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 1: so you can share those with like a hunting buddy

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01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 1: if you're sharing a property that you're hunting on, or

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Speaker 1: if you want to go share like you know, we

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01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:57,120
Speaker 1: want to share it to you. Mark some of our

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Speaker 1: white tail hunting spots in Montana to be able to

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01:49:59,320 --> 01:50:02,760
Speaker 1: share like a it's like a playlist. UM. The other

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Speaker 1: thing is you know when and weather. We release that

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Speaker 1: this fall, and we're going to continue to expand upon

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01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:12,040
Speaker 1: that and provide more information some forecasting stuff and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that that will come out here in the future

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Speaker 1: and then you know that really we have a couple

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Speaker 1: other things that we're keeping under wraps. But I think

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing is if there are features that folks

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Speaker 1: want to see, you know, they can always we we

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Speaker 1: see the ones that they put on our social media

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Speaker 1: and ask about that. We definitely take those into account

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Speaker 1: and we pass those up the chain and make sure

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01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:35,439
Speaker 1: our engineers here them and we start to kind of

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Speaker 1: prioritize and see what folks wanna have in the app.

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Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, yeah, I like story. Yeah, I like

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Speaker 1: your story. Mark on how you're using public land to

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Speaker 1: get down to these river bottoms and taking a one

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Speaker 1: or two mile hike. That's that's a cool adventure. If

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Speaker 1: you're if you're coming from out east or Midwest, coming

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Speaker 1: to Montana, coming to North Dakota, I think that's really

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Speaker 1: cool adventure to be able to come out and camp

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Speaker 1: and do those hikes every day, set up tree stand,

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Speaker 1: learn what the white tails are doing in the area.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's an opportunity to do a five mile meb

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01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:10,200
Speaker 1: you can find some public land that's a five mile

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Speaker 1: hike down to a river where you actually got to

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Speaker 1: set up a base camp and then maybe you have

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Speaker 1: an old square mile of river bottom all to yourself,

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Speaker 1: I guarantee and September in Montana whitetil hunting with the boat,

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Speaker 1: you likely have that all to yourself, unless there's of

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Speaker 1: course private landowners who's hunting it something. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: really like that strategy that you just described, um, and

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Speaker 1: you can really make an adventure out of it. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I just encourage people to think like that, have

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Speaker 1: a plan, get on on X and have a couple

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Speaker 1: of different options to check them out, like you're saying,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, get out and have an adventure. They're definitely

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Speaker 1: there's definitely an opportunity in states like Montana and your

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Speaker 1: neighboring states there to to take your white tail hunting

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Speaker 1: to just a different place, you know. Like I mentioned earlier,

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01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:59,719
Speaker 1: I love these new experiences and you can take something

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01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:01,439
Speaker 1: that you of a lot, like a white tailed deer,

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01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:03,920
Speaker 1: and then experience hunting that animal and it's just a

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Speaker 1: completely different situation. Um, whether it's backpacking in or hiking

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Speaker 1: into a river bottom, or just being in a wide

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Speaker 1: up in different landscape and seeing different places. It's it's

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Speaker 1: a really cool thing that. I mean, anyone who's listened

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Speaker 1: to Wired Hunt knows that I've encouraged this many times before.

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Speaker 1: But I'll just say it again. You know, go out

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Speaker 1: there and and experience these different things, push yourself to

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Speaker 1: two new areas, to new types of hunting. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: make you better hunter. You're gonna have a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of fun doing it. And UH, a little bit of

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Speaker 1: adventure in your life is UH is not going to

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Speaker 1: hurt anything at all. So UM, that's my little pep

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01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:40,160
Speaker 1: talk for the day. And UH and Eric Zach, I

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Speaker 1: just I appreciate taking the time of chat. It's a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Yeah, thanks for having enough. We'll have

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Speaker 1: to do it again soon and hopefully when I'm out

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Speaker 1: there next time for hunt, maybe we can circle up

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01:52:51,240 --> 01:52:53,280
Speaker 1: and UH and have a have a cold beverage and

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01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:57,960
Speaker 1: swap hunt stories again. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 1: the backcountry white tail hunt. It's gonna happen alright. And

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Speaker 1: that's another episode in the books. One quick additional piece

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Speaker 1: of information about the shed Rally giveaway that we talked

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Speaker 1: about earlier in the episode. If you don't have a

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Speaker 1: Wired Hunt hat or shirt yet, I meant to mention

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01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:20,519
Speaker 1: this earlier, but we've got a little discount code going

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Speaker 1: on for you if you do want to pick something

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Speaker 1: up twenty off Wired Hunt Hats and Shirts over at

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Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com store if you use the

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Speaker 1: promo code W two H SHED. That's W, the number two,

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Speaker 1: the letter H, and then the words shed s H

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Speaker 1: E D use that code to get off Wired Hunt

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Speaker 1: Hats and shirts and uh. Then, as we talked about earlier,

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Speaker 1: just wear that gear during SHED rally and you'll be

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Speaker 1: entered to win in the giveaway. So thank you for listening,

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01:53:49,479 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 1: thanks for being patient and understanding of the weird audio

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01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:54,160
Speaker 1: thing there in the first half. I know that didn't

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01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:57,120
Speaker 1: sound great. Um hopefully for those that did stick around

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01:53:57,160 --> 01:54:00,280
Speaker 1: for it, you found our conversation interesting and I miss

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01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:02,880
Speaker 1: we will be uh fixing that issue in the future.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for listening, Thanks for everything, and until

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Speaker 1: next time, stay wired. Dont hm M