1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Sportsman's Nation podcast network, brought to 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: you by Lacrosse Boots. Now, if you guys haven't had 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: the opportunity to check out the Navigator Series, it's a 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: brand new lineup from Lacrosse. They have the wind rows 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: for men and women. They also have the Atlas and 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: that's what I wore during my rut vacation this fall. 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: Check them out. They're very comfortable. Uh. 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We will also bring you 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: into some of the wild country on the planet chasing. 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: On this podcast, you're gonna hear us have a great 17 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: conversation with Straight Sado. Yep, that's his name, Straight Saddo. 18 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: Straight is a dry ground mountlon hunter and bare hound 19 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: hunter out in New Mexico. We have a great conversation 20 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: with him, me and my good buddy Brent Reeves. But 21 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: before we get into the podcast, I want to draw 22 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: your attention to our buddies over at W Hunting Supply. Brent. 23 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: Do you know where they're at? Do you know where 24 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: they're based out of? I know they're they're right here 25 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: in the good old us of A. Yes, they're they're 26 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: based out of Washington, Yakamo, Washington. And I'll tell you 27 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: what I mean. W these guys are real deal hound 28 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: hunters and they know all the products that you that 29 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: they sell. If I've had true bulls setting up my 30 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: one of my garment products one time I called them. 31 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: The person to answer the phone walked me through without 32 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: even looking at a computer for how to sink the collar. 33 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: It was easy stuff, but I just didn't know how 34 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: to do it. So W they're the real deal. They're 35 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: they're they're fighting four houndsmen. Their their mission in their 36 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: business is more than just selling products to hounsmen. But 37 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: they're supporting us. We need to support them. That's right, 38 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: That's right. And uh, good guys. So check out W 39 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: Hunting Supply. They've got an awesome line of well they 40 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: carry all the garment stuff, all the dog I mean, 41 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: anything you could ever dream of. But they also have 42 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: a really cool custom line of apparel. Okay, the second 43 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: thing I want to talk about is our friends at 44 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: houndsman x p Okay, So, Chris pal and Steve Fielder 45 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: good friends of ours. Um, if you're listening to this 46 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: in your a Housman and you haven't heard of houndsman 47 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 1: x peak, go over and check them out. They're they're 48 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: producing high quality content about all things hound, from coon hunting, 49 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: the big game hunting, to competition hunting, rabbit hunting, the 50 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: squirrel hunt. These guys are doing everything. So check out 51 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:17,119 Speaker 1: our buddies at housman xpos number three, number three Brent. 52 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: Western Bear Foundation. Another group of good folks doing some 53 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: really good work. Yep, check out our buddies over at 54 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: the Western Bear Foundation. Uh. They're a nonprofit hunting conservation 55 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: organization that is a voice for sportsman out in a 56 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: very hostile part of the world and and heated, heated 57 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: debate in the West about grizzly bears and black bears 58 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: and uh, these guys are fighting a good fight for 59 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: the sportsman. And so check out our buddies over at 60 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: the Western Bear Foundation. Hey, let's talk to old Straight. Now. 61 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: We are gathered round the fire in the Land of 62 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: Enchantment in New Mexico. The wood is burning hot. Straight, 63 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: is this juniper wood? Juniper wood? It's uh, temperature has 64 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: gotta be thirty Is it close to thirty two? Probably 65 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: it was thirty seven on the way home. So we're 66 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: still all a little bit chilled to the bone here. 67 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: We have been hound hunting in New Mexico with Straight Sadio. Um, 68 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: So we're gonna be talking to Straight. But before that, 69 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna do a cold open, a cold hound hunting 70 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: open that it's sure to draw in the ratings because 71 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: right to my right, and we're gonna give a more 72 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: formal introduction to to Straight. But I've got Brent Reeves, 73 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: the Brett Reeves. Brett, why don't you tell me a story. 74 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: This is a cold opening. Tell me a story that 75 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: your daddy told you about a coon dog. Well, once 76 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: upon a time, my dad loved anything to do with dogs, 77 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: tree dogs especially, and back when he was this would 78 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: have been in the fifties. He would have been a 79 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: young teenager or twelve or thirteen years old, and he 80 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 1: and my uncle used to borrow the neighbor's coon dog. 81 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: He lived down the road about half a mile. His 82 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: name was Nobody. He and a brother named Obadai. And 83 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: there's a hill down there along that road where my 84 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: father grew up and where I lived, um called Obadai Hill. 85 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: And compared to the hills here New Mexico, it's just 86 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: a small bump in the road. But in Cleveland County, Arkansas, 87 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, it's you know, it's a pretty 88 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: good hell. So anyway, coon prices were good, and I'm 89 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: not exactly sure the coon prices had as much to 90 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: do with it is how much fun it was to 91 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: coon hunt. But they would borrow Nobody's coon dog, and 92 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: Nobody didn't know that they were borrowing borrowing him. So 93 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: how this took place was after when it got dark. Obviously, 94 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: my dad my uncle would slip down the road and 95 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: they would crawl up into Nobody's yard. And he had 96 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: this this big old blue tick chained out beside the house, 97 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: chained up, you know, chained to his collar, and he 98 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: had a house there and and everything he needed to 99 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: rest and be comfortable and be a champion coon dog. 100 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: So one of them they would take turns. They would 101 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: slip up there and take the collar off the dog's neck, 102 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: fasten it back as if he had slipped the collar, 103 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: and they would go off coon hunting. After they were finished, 104 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: they come back home. Of course they got home, the 105 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: dog would just trotted down the road back to nobody 106 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: back home. Yeah, so nobody gets up the next morning. 107 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: You know, the coon dog is on the front porch 108 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: or laying out there, but he you know, he's he's 109 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: doesn't have his collar on. It works like a charm. 110 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: Everybody's happy. My dad, my uncle get to go coon hunting. 111 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: Nobody gets his dog back. So the only issue with 112 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: this was after about three nights, they were doing particularly well, 113 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: according to my dad, and we're hammering the coon's pretty good. 114 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: So about the third night in the road they go 115 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: down there to borrow the dog. My dad uncle crawled 116 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: up to the edge of the yard. My dad sends 117 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: my uncle up there, you know, and being the older 118 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: brother that probably had that probably wasn't just a coincidence 119 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: that that my uncle was going in there. First, I 120 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: would assume that he was. My dad was setting him 121 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: up there in case they got caught, he could get away. 122 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: He's gonna catch my uncle or not him. But anyway, 123 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: he crawls up there, and my dad saysn't just a 124 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: short time. It's dark, you know, when they're crawling around 125 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: in this yard. And Morc comes crawling back and said, 126 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: there's something wrong with that dog. Something, something's not right. 127 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: And that said, what's wrong with him? And he's like, 128 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: he sounds like he got pneum on you. Of course, 129 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: these are boys trying to work this problem out, and 130 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: so that's what let me go up there. So he 131 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: crawls up there, and he said the closer he got 132 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: to that dog, the louder he could hear him breathe. 133 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: And he said it sounded like he was just it 134 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: was just a struggle inhale exhale, inhale exhale, like he 135 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: was really having to concentrate to do it. So he 136 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: could you know, my uncle was right, something something was 137 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: wrong with you. So that said that he runs his 138 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: hand up on his collar, just check the dog out, 139 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: you know, and to take the collar off of him. 140 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: And he said that collar was so tight on that 141 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: dog's neck that it was all he could do to breathe. 142 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: One more notch, he said, one more notch and he 143 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't have made it. So apparently, after he had three 144 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: mornings in a row of nobody having to put the 145 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: collar back on, he was gradually tightening that call. The 146 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: dog wouldn't slip off the collar. So that ended their 147 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: So they decided that if they had done it one 148 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: more time the dog would probably have been for the 149 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: welfare of the dog that they quit bar They quit 150 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: barrow it. Yeah, and they would just hunt, he told 151 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: me later, they would just go hunting with nobodegon Oh, man, okay, 152 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: I cannot stand behind the ethics of these decisions that 153 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: these young Arkansas boys made. But that's a good story. 154 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: That's a good story. That's a good story. Straight. Have 155 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: you ever been a part of anything like that before? Never? Never, 156 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: I don't have any stories like that. So we've been, uh, 157 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: we've been hound hunting in Southeast New Mexico. This is 158 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: the fourth day. Tomorrow is our last day of hunting, 159 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: and we're out here with like I said, straights deal 160 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 1: straight is uh? Well? Straight? You introduce yourself, man, Um 161 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: I live here and see Southeast New Mexico born and raised. 162 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: Um dunk to basketball when you were a junior in 163 00:10:53,720 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: high school for the Capitan tigers. That was is no. 164 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: I mean if he's an inch tall, he's six ft 165 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: six straight, six ft six and about as bigger round 166 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: as a ponderosa, a young ponderosa. He's built for speed 167 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: as my grandfather. Yea. But yeah, you have born and 168 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: raised here um into hunting a little bit early on 169 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: and uh less uh six and a half seven years 170 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: really jumping hunting head first, and uh, I got a 171 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: couple of dogs from from another guy lot, another local, 172 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: and it was downhill from there. It was a it 173 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: was a disease. It was one dog after another. And yeah, 174 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: we got gotten the mules and same same thing there. 175 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: We've got plenty of mules, plenty of hounds. So yeah, 176 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: so described to us the the big game hound hunting 177 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: in New Mexico. You're hunting black and mountain line, yes, sir, yeah, 178 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: we yeah. We bear hunt starting in August, mid August, 179 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: and uh go through the end of the month of August, 180 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: and then start backed up in September. Uh and start 181 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: lying hunt in November. So so there's a gap in 182 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: September because of the elk season. Correct, you can't you 183 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: can't run big game with hounds during the elk season 184 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: here in New Mexico. Correct during the archery oak season. 185 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: That's day first twenty four days of September. Yeah, so yeah, 186 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: dogs get a good little break and uh get ready 187 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: for a second round and then you can line hunt 188 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: year round here. Yeah. Yeah, we do have a year 189 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: round line season. Now, are the lines distributed all the 190 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: way across New Mexico? Uh? Yeah for the most part. Yeah, 191 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: there's a there's a pretty good lane of population New Mexico. 192 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: Um that's a Uh. Is New Mexico known for big 193 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: lines or just average lines? Or I would say the 194 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: northern part of the state, from what I've seen, is 195 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: known for bigger cats. Uh. To me, I just think 196 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: because the temperature is up there. It it's a lot 197 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: colder in the winter, more snow, more elk. I think 198 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: they're able to put a little more weight on, put 199 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: some more fat on for the winners up there. Yeah. 200 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, down here or a good tim down here's 201 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: anywhere between a hundred fifty pounds and that's a giant cat. 202 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's a good cat. You don't realize hundred 203 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: fifty pound cut. So what it takes for a region 204 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: to support mountain lions is a lot of ungulates, a 205 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: lot of deer, and a lot of elk. That's what 206 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: it takes. I mean, that's the limiting factor. And at 207 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: one time, now let me tell you something and you 208 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: you you may not believe me, Brent Reeves, but it's true. 209 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: It's true. This okay, what is well, back back back, okay, 210 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: pre European settlement in North America with me, pre before 211 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: before Europeans arrived, what was the most widely distributed big 212 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: game animal in North America from the Atlantic Ocean to 213 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean, to the Boreal forest to the Yucatan 214 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: Peninsula of Mexico. Bison? Okay, we got one bison straight. Okay, good, 215 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: you're both wrong. Mountain lion, puma, yeah, I mean there 216 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: were mountain lions all the way in North Carolina and 217 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: Georgia and Florida. I mean, you know the Florida panther. 218 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: You know that. We hear so much about all the 219 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: way to mountain lions in California, mountains in British Columbia, 220 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: mountain lions in Alberta, Saskatchewan. I mean, like all the 221 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: way across, all the way down into Mexico, mountain line 222 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: I mean, the historical literature of Arkansas is full of 223 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: mountain lions, so there was there was basically very little 224 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: gap in their natural distribution, which is kind of bizarre 225 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: now because now they're massive gaps and distributions of free 226 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: range wild populations and mountain lions. And it's all because 227 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: of um, I mean, it's it's it's because of the 228 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: kind of the vermin mentality that that kind of haunted 229 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, and they killed 230 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: cats out and they really weren't welcome back in. That's 231 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: kind of the best way to say. But the West 232 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: is so remote and so sparsely populated with humans comparatively 233 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: to other parts of the country that there's still lines 234 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: out here. Because I kind of want Straight like you've 235 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: you've gone up here your whole life, So I mean, 236 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: like mountain lions walking through your yard is probably not 237 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: that foreign. But to us, being from kind of the 238 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: mid South, I mean, having mountain lions is pretty stinking awesome. Um. 239 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we saw line tracks. The dogs chased the 240 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: line on the first day, and we called them off, 241 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: and and Straight thinks they probably would have treated based 242 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: upon the way they were handling the track. But so 243 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty cool. But so the west where there 244 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: are lots of elk, which New Mexico has ton of elk. 245 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you cannot look out the window of the 246 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: truck in the ditch not see it. Elk track. Mexico 247 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: has a lot of mule deer. We've seen antelope, We've 248 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: seen all three of those things. Um, we scored a 249 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: big mule de Iraq yesterday that straight found. Where when 250 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: did you find that? Last spring? I think March I'd 251 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: say mid March. And how did you know it was 252 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: a line kill? Just the rest of his carcasses there, 253 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: buried up, pulled up underneath the tree. Uh, general, that's 254 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: what lion does after it takes down a deer, um 255 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: drags him up under some cover and whenever he's finished 256 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: with him, he'll bury him up and come back later. 257 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: And that's the way. That's where I found it. Yeah, well, 258 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty cool if there's lines here, and 259 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: so so you're a you're a line hunter. And there's 260 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: also a great population of black bears, a lot of 261 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: color phase black bears in New Mexico. The bear that 262 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: we saw the other day beautiful how we what what 263 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: color was? He? Straight? I'd call him a cinnamon. Yeah, 264 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: did you not call him? What's what's your special name 265 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: for the color phase out here? Call it? You called 266 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: it up sunburn orange? Sun burn orange? Yeah, yeah, he 267 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: said that, and I said, well, there's another color phase 268 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: of bears. Yeah, there's a few of those around here. Yeah, 269 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: I kind of sun Wow, he was really pretty. It 270 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: really was a nice looking bear. A small bear. Uh. 271 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: We we didn't we we chose not to take it. 272 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: It was a young bear, but a beautiful color phase 273 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: bear that we treat on the first heck, the first 274 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: hour of the hunt. You want to tell that story, 275 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: you want to save it for the video, Yeah, we 276 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: can tell the story that was That was crazy, man, Yeah, 277 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: go ahead, Brent. We the dog struck and took off 278 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: like gangbusters. Well, start off by saying that we literally 279 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: got here started hunting, and I mean it was less 280 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: than thirty minutes after leaving the truck. On the first day, 281 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: we left the truck, got the dogs unloaded, got the 282 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: mules unloaded, mounted up, and away we went up the 283 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: mountain and dogs strike. We couldn't have been gone thirty 284 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: minutes from the truck and even so the race starts 285 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: and up up to canyon they go, and they start 286 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: getting out of here and getting further and further away, 287 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: and we're like, okay, we're looking at and straight like 288 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, what do we do next? And he's and 289 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: we're free casting these dogs. So we're all three of 290 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: us are on mules and these dogs are they almost 291 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: hunt like bird dogs. Straight likes to keep them close 292 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: and they pretty much stay within sight. Yeah, what that's 293 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: cool is because you can see them working. You know, 294 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: they're just criss crossing back and forth on the road 295 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: and you know, just loping up, trotting up the road 296 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: in front of you. And then when they strike buddy, 297 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: it is every all hands on deck and they go 298 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: to work. And so they're they're heading up the heading 299 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: up that canyon there and just i mean painting the 300 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: road red. And we're looking at straight like do we 301 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: do next? And he's all cool and calm, like, you know, 302 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: we'll just see what we're gonna see where they go, 303 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 1: and then that'll, you know, make our decision where we 304 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 1: need to ride and which way we need to go. 305 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: And he's got these tracking collars on them, so he's 306 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: watching them he he knows exactly where they're going, what 307 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: elevation they are, and what direction. And the dogs are 308 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 1: going out of here, man, and we're all three standing 309 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: there together, and they just getting softer and softer and softer, 310 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it's oh, they'll start 311 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: getting louder and louder coming back, and we're all just 312 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: sitting there on him was looking at one another and 313 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: came alive. Yeah, they kind of went over the top 314 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: of the mountain and then kind of came back. And 315 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: if you've ever heard a good dog race, you know, yeah, 316 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: they just they just kind of go out of here 317 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: and then come back in. Yeah, it just gets you know, 318 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: it's lower and lower volume, and then all of a 319 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: sudden it gets louder. You know. I mean they're still 320 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: barking at the same level, but they obviously getting closer. 321 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: You know, something has changed, Something dynamic is happening, and 322 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: a dynamic happening doesn't even describe what was fixing to happen. 323 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: I think it was Clay that said, you know, when 324 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: a when a deer race in Arkansas gets gets louder, 325 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: let's started coming back our direction. Yeah, you said, you know, 326 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: you probably need to get your gun ready. And I 327 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: didn't even get it. I didn't even get that out yet. 328 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: I heard a limb break and I looked off. It 329 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: was probably a hundred and twenty yards maybe at the 330 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: at the most, and coming down the side of that 331 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: canyon and we were sitting in was that color face 332 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: bear and he was absolutely toting the mail and I 333 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: was like, hey man, there's a bear. And he was 334 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: towards straight at us, and we got we we got 335 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: mules looking at one another. We're looking at one another, 336 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about you know this, I thought we 337 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: were chasing bears, not bears chasing us. This is a 338 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: whole news. Got these dogs trained good, he's bringing them 339 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: back for real. What was funny was we had that 340 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: pup with us, Old Doc, Yeah, Doc was was with us, 341 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: and this bear comes running up to and he runs 342 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: to a tree forty yards. Well, what happened was we're 343 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: sitting there, we see this bear come running by, and 344 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: this this eight month old pup was at our feet 345 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: right straight and and the pups sees that bear and 346 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: was like, dag come, that's kind of for me. The 347 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: pup didn't even bark, he just starts kind of like 348 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: bouncing towards that bear. It's almost like, hey, you want 349 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: to play. And that bear sees that dog just all 350 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: of a sudden out of nowhere in his rear view mirror, 351 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: and the dog didn't even bark, and that bear shot 352 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: up a ponderosa pine. Yeah, I'm bigging right there and 353 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: right there at us. Yeah, straight, you can take it 354 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: from here. So that that pup went to that tree 355 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: and smell where he went up and looked up, and yeah, 356 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: that bear was he was. He wouldn't but eight ten 357 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: ft up that tree. And we're trying to figure out 358 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: put two and two together, and yeah, he he was thinking, man, guys, 359 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: this is easy. He's like, what do you guys doing 360 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: back up on the mountain, and those dogs are still running. 361 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: They get louder and louder and louder. Yeah, and uh yeah, 362 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: the rest of the pack was, Yeah, they were working 363 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: themselves down that ridge towards us, and that uh, that 364 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: bear is a little impatient. And we got our mules 365 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: turned around and got back that in direction, trying to 366 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: help that pup keep that bear up that tree, and uh, 367 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: we were all Me and Clay were hopping off our 368 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: mules and trying to get over there, and mules seeing 369 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: that bear, and we're up under the tree. This bear 370 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: is like twelve thirteen feet maybe I don't know, and 371 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: he's wanting to come down when he realized that dog 372 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: getting putting any pressure on him, and so Straight and 373 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: I are kind of like trotting with our mules. We 374 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: didn't want to let the mules go, but we wanted 375 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: to get under that tree to kind of clap her 376 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: hands and kind of hoop at that bear to get 377 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: him a step the tree. Well, we're pulling mules who 378 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: do not want to go towards this bear, and uh, 379 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: I'm still setting on him. You. I've dropped the reins 380 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: and I got the camera in my hand, so everything's 381 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: ald auto pilot for me. And we're straight and I 382 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: are yelling at the bear and he's coming down the tree. 383 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: I mean he's like feet from the ground and straight reaches. 384 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if he yelled. I know I was yelling, 385 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: and and is he ended up getting away from me, 386 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: Like I feel the lead rope just slipped through my hands, 387 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: and I think maybe she's headed back to the truck. 388 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: So I turned to try to catch my mule. And 389 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: and when I turned back around, the bear is shooting 390 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: off through the woods he had come down. And then 391 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: here come the dogs and uh and the race was 392 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: on again. And uh and they ended up treeing and 393 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: probably three quarters of my half a mile away. Yeah, yeah, 394 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: I'd say they went down that lower country and uh, yeah, 395 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: it was probably three quarters of a mile or so. Yeah, 396 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: at that time. They put him up a nice tree, 397 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: and all the dogs were there, and they treat him 398 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: good and and and we got there, made the decision 399 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: that it wasn't a bear that we wanted to take. 400 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: And I just enjoyed seeing him up in the tree, 401 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 1: enjoyed seeing the good dog work, and felt pretty during 402 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: lucky that in the first, uh, just the first, very 403 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: first part of our hunt, we had a bar of 404 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: the tree. Yeah, for a pretty big deal. It was, 405 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: I mean, you and I bear hunt at all. I 406 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: had never seen anything like that. We've had, you know, 407 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: the incident where the bear stuck his head and they're blind. 408 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: But that bear charging down the hill like that, running 409 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: full speed, that was absolutely one of the coolest things. 410 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: That I was hoping, he's going to run between the 411 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: legs of your mule. I probably wouldn't hit the ground yet. 412 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 1: If that would that would have happened that Arkansas Cowboy 413 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: would really come. Yeah, yeah, that would have been the 414 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: first and had Cowboy up a little bit. Today we're 415 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: not sure what happened, but his mule got a little 416 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: spooked and for a little run with him. It was 417 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: the he was taking the shortcut back to the truck. 418 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: It worked out, though, it all worked. I found the brakes. Well, 419 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: that was That was a pretty exciting part of our 420 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: of the first few days of our hunt. But straight, 421 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: why don't you describe? So we set the stage by 422 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: saying that there are black bears here, their mountain lines here. 423 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: We've told the season structure, We've we've told that. You know, 424 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: obviously you can use the hounds to pursue game here 425 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: in New Mexico, which is an awesome, awesome thing. Um, 426 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: how do you like to hunt them? And let's talk 427 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: specifically about bears. We can talk about lines too at 428 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: some point. But what's your what's your strategy? What do 429 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: you like to do? I'm bear hunting, uh, getting some 430 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: good country. Um, generally, I mean i'd say sev the time, 431 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna be mule back riding, mules or horse um, 432 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: freecasting dogs, just letting them dogs work. Uh, I like 433 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: to I like to rig off the truck as well. 434 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: But in August season, they're just campers and other hunters 435 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: along them roads doing the same exact thing we are. 436 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: And just to try to get away from the uh, 437 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: from from the from the public and from those other hunters, 438 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: get out of the way, gett into the back country. 439 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: We uh, well in load mules and and FreeCast some dogs, 440 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: just like we've been doing. And uh let the dogs work, 441 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: and um hit some good spots, springs, good canyons, what 442 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: they're eating that time of year, run through some make 443 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: corn crops, and uh see who we can start cactus 444 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: like right now. Yeah, yeah, this later time of the 445 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: year here in October, so that they're they're getting that 446 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: prickly pretty hard. Yeah. Would you say most guys are 447 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: just rigging for bears, I'd I'd say about yeah, sixty 448 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: seventy of the other hunters that show up here, they're 449 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: they're rigging there. There are a couple of others that 450 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: that will catch or see out there horseback or whatnot, 451 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: But and rigging, I know there's a lot of people 452 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: that that may not have a lot of history with 453 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: hound hunting. On that are listening to the podcast, Rigging 454 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: a bear means that you're putting a dog on top 455 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: of the dog box or or up out of the 456 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: dog box, and that dog is trying to smell a 457 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: bear while you're driving down the road. So basically you're 458 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: cutting through all this good country. It's pretty incredible what 459 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: a hound can do. He's able to, uh, he's able 460 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: to wind bear that haven't even crossed the road. Perhaps, 461 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: like maybe there's a bear down a canyon two or 462 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: three d yards off the road, winds right and everything's right. 463 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: That bear, that dog can smell that bear. Then you 464 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: turn the dog loose and the races on. Or a 465 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: bear has crossed the road sometime in the night or 466 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: that morning, and the dogs from the top of the 467 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: truck smell where the bears crossed. And then But but 468 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: there's there's an advantage to that because you're able to 469 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: you're able to see a track most of the time 470 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: on these dusty roads. If you rig a bear, you 471 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: can get out and you can say, oh, man, that's 472 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: a that's a really young bear that we don't want 473 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: to run exactly, or you might say, man, that's a 474 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: big bear and we do want to run. The way 475 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: you're hunting is tougher. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a 476 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: little tougher, especially having colder nose hounds. Uh Generally, whenever 477 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: you're rigging, I mean you can i'd say you can 478 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: read good. You know, six eight hour old track, that's 479 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: that's a that's a pretty good rig. But you have 480 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: free casting dogs and you have colder nose dogs. Are 481 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: sometimes where we'll we'll start coltulling, you know, twelve to 482 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: sixteen eighteen hour old track, and it's hard to pull 483 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: dogs off, especially whenever you know they're doing good. But 484 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: at the same time, you want to uh older the 485 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: track of less likely are to catch. I mean it's 486 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: bears travel so much, they're they're feeding, just covering country 487 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, you want you want you want a 488 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: fresher track. So I mean it's it's hard to do 489 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: what you you call the dogs back off them older 490 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: tracks and you know, keep hunting. There's two things you 491 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: just said that I want to talk about. That's uh 492 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: um important right there. I think a lot of people 493 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: might say twelve to sixteen hour old track that's bologny 494 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: but we saw it with their own eyes straight. We 495 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: we struck Tell me that. Tell me about that, because 496 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: I really I hear a lot of people talking about 497 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: realistically how older track a hound can run, and that 498 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: means when that bear was actually standing in there when 499 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: the dog starts the track. But we had a trail 500 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: camera that we struck off of the other day. Yeah, yeah, 501 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: we had gotten to that spring and uh yeah, the 502 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: dogs had started trailing off and look at the GPS 503 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: and yeah, they passed right where that camera was sitting. 504 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: So we went down that trail with that camera's on 505 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: and checked it and sure enough, there was a bear there. 506 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: I think it was the evening before and the time 507 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: mean we'd put that track hit was it was about 508 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 1: sixteen hours, and uh yeah, they were I mean they 509 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: were cold trailing it. I mean, grant, I didn't I 510 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: didn't think, but you never know. I mean, I didn't 511 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: think they were going to catch it, but you never know. 512 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: They're laid up hanging out for the day you're there, 513 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,239 Speaker 1: they're hung up on a kill or something. So I mean, 514 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: you just let the dogs work, let the dogs tell 515 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: a story, let you I mean, that's all I can well, 516 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: but I mean, undoubtedly. The track that they started and 517 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: ran for a long time was a sixteen hour old 518 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: track when it crossed in front of the camera because 519 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: there were pictures of the dogs and then the picture 520 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: before that was a bear. The night before it like 521 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: six pm and it was like, I can't remember what 522 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: time it was. It was like, I don't remember, but 523 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: it was eleven o'clock or I think. Yeah. I mean, 524 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: so I was really surprised that they could that they 525 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: could take it, but man, they did. And where they 526 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: lost it was they got up on top where it 527 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: was real windy, and that's kind of where they lost it. 528 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: As I recall, Um, now, okay, track age, But you 529 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: said something else? What did he say that I was 530 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: going to talk about, because like, uh, hounds been like 531 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: straight is just saying stuff. But I wanna I wanna qualify. 532 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: I want to dig into to kind of give some 533 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: people some some good information. Well it was track track 534 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: age out. We'll just keep going. We were talking about 535 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: how we hunt or how you're hunt. Oh, this this 536 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: was it. You said that when you're free casting these dogs. 537 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: See the thing about rigging a dog, rigging bears is 538 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: that you can choose which dogs you put on the track, 539 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: you can choose not to run it. You can choose 540 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: to run it. When we're free casting these dogs off mules, 541 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean these dogs are just hunting like bird dogs 542 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: out in front. I was really interested to see how 543 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: straight would handle that. And he keeps these dogs. I mean, 544 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: they're they're well, they're very, very trained in terms of 545 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: just obedience, and he is calling these dogs off tracks 546 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: that he doesn't think they can finish. I mean, like 547 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: yesterday morning, the dogs hit a track right off the 548 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: truck and I thought, I thought, well, here we go. 549 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: And next thing I know. I mean, these dogs are 550 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: like in full cry, headed over the ridge and straight goes, hey, 551 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: come on, and they just quit and they came right back. 552 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: I mean I just got an amazing handle on them 553 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: and they handle awesome. And I said, straight, uh, we're 554 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: here to kill a bear. What was that all about? 555 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: And he said, he said that was a line track? 556 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: And I said, how could you tell? So? How could 557 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: you tell it was a line track just the way 558 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: they were trying to start it? Uh, I mean they 559 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: were they were hitting on it just because they smelled 560 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: her right there, but trying to get a good direction 561 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: on it. Really having to work hard to dig their 562 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: noses down, and then pine needles we were in and 563 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: just how hard they were trying to work on it. 564 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: Uh you know, usually you hit, you get a good 565 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: bear track, and I mean it's it's go a good 566 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: fresh bear track. They're going, get in the direction figured 567 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: out and they're gone. But yeah, lying hunt, especially in 568 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: the dirt, they're they're gonna hit that track, open up 569 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: on it, get it and just work, work, work, you 570 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: can I'm sorry, but you can see. I mean you're 571 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: actually looking at them major at the time, and you 572 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: can see the difference on how they're working what would 573 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: eventually become a line opposed that's to a bear, and 574 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: that's that's what you're saying. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we've uh 575 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: yeah trailed enough with them and uh yeah, you you 576 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: learn them dogs, I mean, then those dogs are hell, 577 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,479 Speaker 1: they're my best friends. I mean, I can I can 578 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: watch them and know exactly what they're what they're gonna do, 579 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: what they're fixing, open up on and you watch that tell. 580 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: That tell tells a lot of the story. Yeah. Well, 581 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: and you told me something that I've never really heard 582 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: said before, but but I know it's true. Is that 583 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: a lion doesn't leave the scent that a bear does. 584 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: I mean, a bear leaves a lot of scent, a long, 585 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: thick fur that holds a lot of odor. I mean, 586 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: a bear is not walking around the woods worried about 587 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: being concealed. You with me. A lion is a carnivore. 588 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: He is a predator that is fully, fully relying on 589 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: stealth to live his life. A bear is not. And 590 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: so I mean the cat just has less odor, just 591 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: doesn't smell as bad. And so anyway, so that that's 592 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: what I learned from Straight, is that he's watching how 593 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: hard these dogs are working, and he's just like, that's 594 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: a lion. Calls him off, and we keep going to 595 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: try to find a bear. But pretty amazing. But okay, 596 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: so those are the two Straight. You're gonna have to 597 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: forgive me for interruptions so much. But these these little 598 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: little sections I think will paint a good picture for people. 599 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: And ultimately what I want to do is I want 600 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: for people that have never have done this before to 601 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: understand the craft, the dedication, the woodsmanship, the skill, the knowledge, 602 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 1: the lifelong dedication that it takes to consistently catch game. 603 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely not dropping the tailgate and letting them go and 604 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: just watching, just waiting for him to treat something it 605 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: is nowhere, even in remotely in the same conversation, So 606 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: we're fruit free casting these dogs. You're able to call 607 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: them off a track if you don't think they should 608 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: start it. And basically we're making big loops just and 609 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: the dogs are just they're just hunting, hunting within sight basically. Yeah, 610 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: we're riding mules. Yeah, yeah, I don't like them to 611 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: get too far away, just just because whenever they do 612 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: start something, if whether it's whether it is a bear 613 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: track and we can see a track or uh, or 614 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: we're lying hunting in the same same thing, if they 615 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: go in the wrong direction, you need to be able 616 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: to call him dogs and get a hold of them, 617 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: get them line out, going back the right direction. But 618 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: I mean saying with Sam bear hunting, well, what's uh, 619 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: what's your favorite? Which do you what's your favorite one 620 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: to hunt bear line? That's a that's a that's a 621 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: good one, a personal question straight, So I'm not gonna 622 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: answer that the podcast. That's a true question. That's a 623 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: personal question. I'd have to probably go with lion hunting 624 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 1: if I absolutely had on make it make a choice, 625 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: it would it would definitely be lion hunting, preferably dry 626 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: ground line hunting, just because there's not many others in 627 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: the area that can. They can do that, so it 628 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 1: eliminates the traffic um and ultimately it takes it takes 629 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: a little more of a dog to to slow down 630 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: and work at it. I mean hunt hunting the dirt, 631 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: it's a different ball game. It's I mean, don't get 632 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: me wrong. I'll take advantage of snow with some young 633 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: dogs and teach them the tools that trade. But you're 634 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: hunting the dirt that that takes a smart smart dogs. Okay, 635 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: tell me, tell me what dry ground line hunt is. 636 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: Dry ground is no snow, just bear dirt. I mean 637 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: that's because typically if you're hunting in Idaho, I mean 638 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,280 Speaker 1: the whole mountainin hunting world is fueled by fresh snow. 639 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: Because lines, even in areas where there's a high density 640 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: of lines, they're a low density animal. So it's not 641 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: like there's a line on every single in every canyon 642 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, and so you may have to you've got 643 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: to find a line track. And what is an easy 644 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: way to find a track of anything, it's when it snows, 645 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: and so most places, especially up north where they're lion hunting, 646 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: it's a percent dependent upon snow. But we're in New Mexico. 647 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: There is snow here some. But would you say three 648 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: weeks out of the winter there's snow total. Yeah, I 649 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: mean we we get a decent snow, four to six inches. 650 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: It's it's gone within a day, day and a half. Yeah, 651 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 1: I mean after that it just becomes a muddy mess 652 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: and so dry ground. I mean this is an arid 653 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: climate and dry ground line hunting is the pinnacle of 654 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 1: hound hunting. Really yeah, is that am I? Is that right? Straight? Yeah? 655 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: You nailed it right there. I mean, there's nothing tougher. 656 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say. It's a it's a 657 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 1: it's a tough one. Um. I'd say for every seven 658 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: to eight cats we trail, we'll catch one to two. 659 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: I mean on on average, I don't get me wrong. 660 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,479 Speaker 1: We'll get on a hot streaking and put a couple 661 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: up in a row. But on average, i'd say, yeah, 662 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: out of every six or seven cats wheel trail will 663 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: actually get treated get caught. I mean, it's a it's 664 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: a different ball game. Can you tell me why the 665 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: scent is such a I mean, that's what we're talking about. 666 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: It's harder for the dogs to trail a cat that's 667 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: stepping into dirt rather than stepping into snow. Can you 668 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: describe to me why m hm, on scent conditions. Uh, yeah, 669 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: that's that's a I would I would say the moisture, um, 670 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: dog really're gonna smell it, They're gonna run it by sight. 671 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 1: I have caught some some dogs running the snow track 672 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: off a site. Um in the dirt. I mean it's 673 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,760 Speaker 1: it's off the smell um. Okay, Yeah, like you said earlier, 674 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: cats don't leave as much scent um and basically all 675 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: they're leaving his pad scent and so it's gonna hold 676 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,800 Speaker 1: closer to the ground longer. Um. So yeah, it's a 677 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: that's just a lot harder. Yeah, yeah, it's it's tougher. 678 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the way that I've heard it described. 679 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 1: And tell me if you think this is a good analogy. Um, so, 680 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: a line track in the snow? What so? First of all, 681 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: Chris pal houns me next P podcast, he's what it 682 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: talked to me about scent and so, I mean, like 683 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: scent is actually vaporized molecules of the animal. Okay, so 684 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: a line steps in the snow, some of his skin, follicles, 685 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: hair follicles, microscopic particles are in that track and even 686 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: become vaporized in the air that's in the whole of 687 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: that track. Okay, What is the best way to preserve 688 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: a biological substance that needs to be preserved? Freeze it? 689 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: So I mean like basically, like a track in the 690 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: snow is like putting the hamburger and refrigerator. It's gonna 691 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,399 Speaker 1: last longer. You come out to this dirt right here 692 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: by this fire, there's no moisture whatsoever, and that that 693 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: super arid place just holds so much less odor and 694 00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: so anyway, you know, so it's kind of like the 695 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: referee drator or just a just a surface that does 696 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: not collect odor at all, and when it does, it 697 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: breaks down quick. The heat breaks it down. The winds blood. No, 698 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't don't say that. That's just the challenge that 699 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: those dogs overcome, you know, and it's it is amazing 700 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,439 Speaker 1: to watch them work. Today they almost kicked me out 701 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: of the party because I said the word wind. The 702 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: last two days, yeah, the last two days we've kind 703 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: of been shut down by wind. Uh, just high winds 704 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: and uh, it just makes it super difficult for the 705 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: dogs to track. It makes it difficult for the dogs 706 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 1: to course the other dogs. So like if there's a 707 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 1: dog a hundred yards ahead that's barking, that's found the track, 708 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: the dogs way back here are behind and are listening 709 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,840 Speaker 1: for you know where to go. You know they have 710 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,760 Speaker 1: trouble hearing they have. You have trouble getting dogs back. 711 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: You're calling dogs, they can't hear you anyway. So today 712 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: I said hope they said, well, Straight said uh. He said, 713 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: as long as we don't get any of the the 714 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: W today will be okay. And I was like, what's 715 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: W And they got big guyed and they said think 716 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: about it, Clay And I said, oh W no W. 717 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: They said no, don't say it now. Well we got 718 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,399 Speaker 1: out of the truck. I said, uh, I said, man, 719 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: the wind stop blowing. Yeah. And the first thing he 720 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: said straight was like you're out for you you're walking. 721 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: And then I was right. There was no wind down 722 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 1: by the truck. But once we got up on the mountain, 723 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: wholly moldy, Yeah, it was what was the elevation up there? Straight? 724 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: I was like we were about up there and it 725 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:50,919 Speaker 1: was zero. Oh my gosh, it was cold. Oh man, 726 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: I'm still not warm. Yeah, it was cold, but it was. 727 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: And still those dogs are hitting track. Hey, let me 728 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 1: let me tell you something I didn't say. This is 729 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: Straight today. Straight is wearing a pair of blue jeans 730 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 1: and uh appears to be a white T shirt, a 731 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: hoodie and a thin, uninsulated jacket. I got a flannel Okay, okay, 732 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,280 Speaker 1: being Brenner up there decked out in like the warmest 733 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: first like gear known to man. You couldn't shoot an 734 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: era through me. And we get up there and I 735 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: am freezing. Now, Brent's not that cold, but I was. 736 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: I was freezing. And uh, finally, at the end of 737 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: the day, at like four o'clock, I made I made 738 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: Straight take one of my hot hands. I asked him 739 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: if he wanted a long time ago, and he's like, no, no, 740 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm good, And I finally just threw it to him, 741 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 1: and then on the way down he finally was like, 742 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: my feet are a little cold. Cold. We passed cold 743 00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: a long time ago. Yeah, I mean I knew that 744 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: the earth was about to fall over. When Straight was like, yeah, 745 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 1: my toasts are a little cold. Well what got me 746 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: was when we we stopped and we were trying to 747 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,239 Speaker 1: figure out what the dogs were doing, and we're on 748 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: the top up there, and we said, let's make some coffee. 749 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: So where did we stop that for that? That was 750 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 1: on on top, on top, yeah, or no, I went 751 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: on top of that was about thousand feet down. I 752 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: think we were the seventy six hundred feet where we 753 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 1: made coffee a second time. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, the 754 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: second time. Yeah. And I was like, man, this is 755 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 1: gonna be good. It's gonna be the best cup of 756 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: coffee I ever had. We've got a pot going, Clay 757 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: got something, I got some straight you on some coffee. Now, 758 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm all right. I'm like, dude, you gotta be kidding me. 759 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: You're all right. You got to drink coffee. It's two 760 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: day and cold. And then straight went to get the 761 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 1: dogs in. H How how fast was that winning up top? Oh? 762 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 1: It was? It was ever a bit of it was. 763 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: It was upen up there. Good thing you had your 764 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,439 Speaker 1: blue jeans on all your whole feet might have got cold, 765 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: not just a tip of your toe. Oh jeez. Well, um, 766 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: so we we've talked about we've talked about scent. We've 767 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,919 Speaker 1: talked about dry ground, and I mean it's it's dry 768 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,360 Speaker 1: ground bear hunting too. But I mean most places you're hunting, 769 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 1: obviously bears are dinning up in the winter, so you're 770 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: not hunting them in the winter. Um. So I mean, 771 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 1: you know, you don't really use the term dry ground 772 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 1: bear hunting because you all how hunting for bears is 773 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 1: going to be basically dry ground. Um. But straight you're 774 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: using the same hounds for lion hunting and bear hunting. Yeah, yeah, 775 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 1: they're they're pretty versatile. I mean, it's they do it 776 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: year round, so you gotta be ready for it. What 777 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 1: are you what are you looking for in a dog intelligence? Um, 778 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,280 Speaker 1: whenever they're young. I'll really watch young pups and uh, 779 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 1: I want to see a young dog that don't really 780 00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: take his nose off the ground. He was always wanting 781 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 1: to hunt. Whether it's whenever they're younger rabbits, whenever they 782 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: are a little older. Of course they're gonna want to 783 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: trash out or whatnot, and just a dog is always 784 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 1: willing to hunt, and we can take care of of 785 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,279 Speaker 1: all that trash breaking later on. But I want to 786 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 1: see a dog that wants to prove something, uh that 787 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 1: wants it. Intelligence um and a dog little little mind. Uh, 788 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,799 Speaker 1: those are I'd say obedience is probably the biggest thing, though, 789 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,439 Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta you gotta have a handle on 790 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,320 Speaker 1: that dog. Like I say, for the way you're hunting, 791 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 1: you do for sure, because you get out there six 792 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:35,359 Speaker 1: miles and you can't lead eight dogs back to the 793 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,719 Speaker 1: truck while you're riding a mule. Those dogs have to 794 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,320 Speaker 1: follow you back or get down off you know you 795 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,800 Speaker 1: really every fifteen minutes and point him in the right direction. 796 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: He's voice commanding these dogs, pointing, and they're doing exactly 797 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: what he tails them to do. What what kind of 798 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 1: dogs are we hunting? We got some mainly blue tick 799 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 1: walk across. Um, there's some uh there's a little red 800 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:05,399 Speaker 1: bone in there. Um, that's that's about it. I mean, 801 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,400 Speaker 1: bloodlines are just a little of everything. A couple of 802 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,360 Speaker 1: my dogs are got some blood from southeast or southwest Arizona, 803 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,920 Speaker 1: some drug ground land blood and they've they've taken to 804 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,240 Speaker 1: the bears. So but yeah, there's there nothing too fancy 805 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 1: but blue dick walker. When a red bone in there, 806 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,279 Speaker 1: it's that's what we're hunting. So all these dogs would 807 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: have come from this part of the country though, I 808 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:36,759 Speaker 1: mean they're there dry ground and and or or would 809 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,279 Speaker 1: they have come from other places? Straight? Um, I've got 810 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,840 Speaker 1: one that came from southern Colorado. But but yeah, the 811 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,760 Speaker 1: rest and then besides those other two there from Arizona, 812 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,799 Speaker 1: the rest are they're they're New Mexico blood. I mean 813 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:53,239 Speaker 1: they're within the states. So yeah, and these are big dogs, 814 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,800 Speaker 1: uh are some of them are? How big is uh Ace? 815 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,520 Speaker 1: Let's see why you think Ace. I'd say he's about 816 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: sixty five pushing seventy pounds, and that's that's fit. I mean, 817 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: he's he's been running since August, so I mean he's 818 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: he's in shape right now. I'd say throughout the summer 819 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 1: he'll he'll get up to seventy five pounds. He's he's 820 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 1: a good sized dog. But every everybody else, I mean 821 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 1: that that high tan female, she's a she's a smaller dog. 822 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say she's probably but thirty thirty five pounds 823 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,239 Speaker 1: maybe and everything. I've had a couple of pups out 824 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 1: of her that are they're they're a year old and 825 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,759 Speaker 1: so they're a little smaller than that. But but that's 826 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 1: and I was surprised at the size. You've got two 827 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: males that, um are I mean, I'd say seventy plus 828 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:46,400 Speaker 1: pounds pretty easy. Um. And this goes into conversation that 829 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: we've been having this week because I'm all of my 830 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: experience hunting hounds has been in in Tennessee. Let me 831 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,600 Speaker 1: think about that. No, that's not true. Tennessee and Michigan 832 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,120 Speaker 1: primarily and West Virginia, but know the East and then 833 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 1: the Mid Lake, uh, the Great Lakes region, and a 834 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: lot of these guys are are wanting smaller dogs and 835 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,960 Speaker 1: feel like they hold up better. But I mean it 836 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 1: doesn't for whatever reason, it doesn't really seem to be 837 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,040 Speaker 1: a massive limiting factor out here. I mean, you're Ace 838 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 1: is one of your top dogs, and he's a seventy 839 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,440 Speaker 1: pound dog and gets around just fine. Yeah, he's made 840 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 1: a lot of steps up and and not across flat 841 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:37,560 Speaker 1: ground either. Yeah yeah, So what what say you straight studio? Um? Yeah, 842 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 1: I mean size, I can I can see where some 843 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: guys are coming from. You do want of smaller dogs 844 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,520 Speaker 1: that's gonna hold up? Uh? But I mean the biggest 845 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 1: thing is gonna hold up out here is is their feet. Uh? 846 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,480 Speaker 1: You know, runs all these rocks, shell rocks, rock slides. 847 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,359 Speaker 1: It's it's gonna work on them pads. Yeah, that's that's 848 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 1: usually the only thing that ever gives out on a 849 00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,880 Speaker 1: dog that I that I've seen. It's just those pads. 850 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 1: They get sore footed and just having having a harder 851 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 1: time walk or run around. So other than that, I mean, 852 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: big dogs can they can hang with them smaller, smaller 853 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:15,840 Speaker 1: built uh dogs. Yeah, you know, I've I've heard preach 854 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,279 Speaker 1: so much from from the guys in the East that 855 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,040 Speaker 1: they want a small dog. And they're not preaching that, 856 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: they're just I mean, that's just what they say they want. 857 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 1: That being said, I hunted with a very well known 858 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,960 Speaker 1: plot breeder out in uh West Virginia by the name 859 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: of Curtis Walker. And I got no problem saying Curtis's 860 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,160 Speaker 1: name because I got nothing but good things to say. 861 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,560 Speaker 1: Um hunted with him one day one morning, and his 862 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,200 Speaker 1: dogs treat a bear and some super tough conditions in 863 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 1: West Virginia while I was there. In just a couple 864 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: of hours, rigged the bear off the off a blacktop 865 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,640 Speaker 1: road in West Virginia, dropped the tailgate, and a mile 866 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,640 Speaker 1: and a half later and a couple of hours later, 867 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,560 Speaker 1: we were standing under a bear tree. They had a 868 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,560 Speaker 1: dog and and somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, 869 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,680 Speaker 1: if they know Curtis and Jamie Walker. Um, I believe 870 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,040 Speaker 1: they had a dog named Copper. Plot that their plot 871 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,439 Speaker 1: breaders curse. Walker is a longtime plot breaker, and they 872 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,480 Speaker 1: had a dog named Copper that was I believe he 873 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:25,080 Speaker 1: was ninety pounds, which is way outside. I mean, he 874 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: was an outlier for their strain of dogs. Just however 875 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,520 Speaker 1: it happened, it happened that dog. It was big male 876 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,400 Speaker 1: and uh, word on the street was is that he 877 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,439 Speaker 1: was one of their top pounds that could stay with 878 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,600 Speaker 1: any of them. You know, it was a big dog. Now, 879 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,120 Speaker 1: I didn't see Copper run that he and and and 880 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,120 Speaker 1: forgive me, there's gonna be like die hard houndsman. That 881 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,360 Speaker 1: may crucify me for messing that story up. But it 882 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,120 Speaker 1: was basically a big old plot amongst a bunch of 883 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,040 Speaker 1: smaller plots that we're kind of the anything. But but 884 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,560 Speaker 1: I was straight, and I've been talking all week like 885 00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 1: you don't get a lot of bay ups down here. 886 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 1: Not yeah, not too many. Um yeah, I'd say a 887 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,920 Speaker 1: couple of years, two to three. I mean for the 888 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 1: most part. The biggest thing is some of some of 889 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,600 Speaker 1: these smaller bears just want to run. Yeah, I mean, 890 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: like you said, you'd like you'd call them nankey bears. 891 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,000 Speaker 1: They want to run. But you know, other than that, 892 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,560 Speaker 1: we don't have the bears aren't too bad. I mean 893 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,520 Speaker 1: they usually they want to go up a tree. Yeah. Yeah, 894 00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,600 Speaker 1: especially hunting with with multiple I mean as many dogs 895 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,440 Speaker 1: as we do, I mean, they don't I don't really 896 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,000 Speaker 1: want to deal with much. They hear them coming and 897 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,920 Speaker 1: they're probably already thinking. And we're hunting with seven dogs 898 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,160 Speaker 1: this week and they're turned out all the time, all seven. 899 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,120 Speaker 1: And I would say that I was a little bit 900 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 1: surprised about that. I thought we might have more. Um, 901 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, in uh in most of the places that 902 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,240 Speaker 1: I've hunted in the East, there's been more dogs involved 903 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,759 Speaker 1: than that. In in in the Great Lakes region, I 904 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,319 Speaker 1: believe you can only have six or nine dollars out 905 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,480 Speaker 1: there's some legal issues like you can't run, so that 906 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:08,000 Speaker 1: more than so many dogs. Um, But especially in the Appalachians, 907 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 1: it's a little bit different. But yeah, So this is 908 00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 1: this is what I told you, is that my experience 909 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,200 Speaker 1: hunting in Eastern Tennessee. I was there for three days 910 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: two years ago. Um, and there were five bears killed 911 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,840 Speaker 1: in the with the guys I was hunting with in 912 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,560 Speaker 1: three days, and four of them were killed on the ground. 913 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,759 Speaker 1: I mean, just sure enough, bay ups. Those bears just 914 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,879 Speaker 1: don't want to go up a tree. And there's no 915 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 1: there's no good explanation for why. I mean, it could 916 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:48,560 Speaker 1: be pressure, but they're just runners and and and everybody 917 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,120 Speaker 1: has their opinion of why that is. But out here, 918 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I was pretty impressed that that young the 919 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,560 Speaker 1: young Nike bearer we struck on the first day just 920 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:04,880 Speaker 1: or it didn't pretty quick, you know, that's yeah, well 921 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,520 Speaker 1: straight and Doc treat him the first though, and then 922 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:15,520 Speaker 1: the pack caught up and treat him. Yeah. Well. Um, 923 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:20,640 Speaker 1: so you've talked about the type of dogs you're hunting. Um, 924 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,239 Speaker 1: is there anything else you want to say about these 925 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,160 Speaker 1: Western dogs? I mean, because for for somebody that would 926 00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,360 Speaker 1: be listening that wouldn't understand, there is such a wide 927 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,720 Speaker 1: just there, there's a wide gap. There's this huge space 928 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:40,239 Speaker 1: where hounds. I mean that the intricacies and nuances of 929 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,279 Speaker 1: the way hounds work and the way they hunt and 930 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,920 Speaker 1: their noses and are they Are they open on the 931 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,720 Speaker 1: track or do they not bark on the track? Or 932 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,839 Speaker 1: did they tree good? Do they not tree good? Are 933 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,920 Speaker 1: they gritty? Are they do they run to catch as 934 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,240 Speaker 1: they say, meaning they just really pushing the track hard? 935 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,319 Speaker 1: Did they? I mean, there's all these different things. So 936 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,879 Speaker 1: we were talking about the differences between these Western bear 937 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,000 Speaker 1: hounds or what guys are needing out of dogs in 938 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,719 Speaker 1: the West versus what these guys are needing out in 939 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,840 Speaker 1: the East. Anything else you'd say about what you're needing 940 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:17,719 Speaker 1: out here for hounds. Not really, I mean basically what 941 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,040 Speaker 1: a hounds about. I mean a hard hunter, I mean, stamina, smarts. 942 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,279 Speaker 1: I would think that's that's uh, pretty verse. I mean 943 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,560 Speaker 1: pretty universal East and West. Uh. I would think maybe 944 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,640 Speaker 1: what we're here in the West a little colder nose 945 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,359 Speaker 1: dog sometimes, I mean you will end up just trying 946 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,319 Speaker 1: to colchilla bear all day. So I mean, but I 947 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,960 Speaker 1: know you guys do it back pieces as well. So 948 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,880 Speaker 1: I think for the most part, dogs are pretty universal 949 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:46,040 Speaker 1: or what you're what you're looking for a dog. Um, yeah, 950 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,879 Speaker 1: that's that's about all i'd have to say. Yeah, in 951 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:54,080 Speaker 1: in regards to comparing the two, Yeah, well, there is 952 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,320 Speaker 1: there is a difference, you know, fires getting to me 953 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,759 Speaker 1: boys I can't see or talk. Um, there is a 954 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,239 Speaker 1: difference in uh in in boy, I don't. It's hard 955 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:08,840 Speaker 1: to even describe what it would be. I mean, it 956 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,240 Speaker 1: would be would be cool to have a real veteran 957 00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,799 Speaker 1: Eastern hunter here. But I told I do know that 958 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,520 Speaker 1: you've got to have a fast dog that's pretty darned gritty, 959 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,320 Speaker 1: meaning that he's putting a lot of pressure on that bear, 960 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,040 Speaker 1: baying him tight, getting to make him either stop and 961 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,279 Speaker 1: turn or to run up a tree. And what you 962 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,080 Speaker 1: want happens for them to run up a tree. Uh. 963 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,120 Speaker 1: Out here, it seems like the bears are a little 964 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,440 Speaker 1: bit and I'm not gonna say easier in the sense 965 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 1: that it's actually easier. But if you getting the bearrets, 966 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,759 Speaker 1: find a bear track and your dogs catch up to it, 967 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,440 Speaker 1: that bear seems to be a lot more prone to 968 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,200 Speaker 1: run up a tree here than he is in the 969 00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,759 Speaker 1: East and in the Great Lakes region. I mean, I 970 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:54,440 Speaker 1: also hunted with some very very renowned houndsman in the 971 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,520 Speaker 1: Great Lakes region and Guy Lee, there were some those 972 00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,200 Speaker 1: bears would run. I mean, with my own eyes, I 973 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,719 Speaker 1: witnessed a bear race and went thirty six miles per 974 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,600 Speaker 1: the garment GPS, and uh and we caught the dogs 975 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,359 Speaker 1: off of the bear, and the bear just wouldn't run 976 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,799 Speaker 1: up a tree. And uh we never we never never 977 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:20,480 Speaker 1: treated the bear. Um. And that's that's how tough they 978 00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,080 Speaker 1: can be to two tree. That is that is a 979 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,160 Speaker 1: long race, I know over over here, I mean generally 980 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,680 Speaker 1: a long race is gonna be you know, for us 981 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,280 Speaker 1: ten twelve miles. We've had sometimes up to you know, 982 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,840 Speaker 1: pushing fifteen. Yeah, I mean, but that's you know, that's 983 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,920 Speaker 1: a uh, thirty six miles. I don't think we can 984 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,080 Speaker 1: talk that one. We'd be in the next county if 985 00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,720 Speaker 1: we did, you know, to kind of talk about just 986 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,600 Speaker 1: a little bit, even as we close about the the 987 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:55,160 Speaker 1: importance of why that we should have houndsman running big 988 00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:00,440 Speaker 1: game in North America in twenty nineteen and beyond. Why 989 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,680 Speaker 1: is that important? That's that's the question. Because it's certainly 990 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,280 Speaker 1: there's certainly not gobs of people doing it. This isn't 991 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,160 Speaker 1: like fly fishing, This isn't like even white tailed deer hunting, 992 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,919 Speaker 1: where this is like the main thing that people are doing. 993 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:21,080 Speaker 1: But this is such a significant part of our our 994 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:26,480 Speaker 1: hunting heritage here in this country. Um, we were talking 995 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,400 Speaker 1: about how just yesterday Straight and I were on mules 996 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,400 Speaker 1: and I said, man, did you know that this was 997 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,840 Speaker 1: Teddy Roosevelt's one of his favorite hunts of all the 998 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:39,160 Speaker 1: things he did, he loved hound hunting for bears on horseback. 999 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,680 Speaker 1: They I think they were using horses, and I mean, 1000 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,400 Speaker 1: this is such a traditional hunt. And uh, I was 1001 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,640 Speaker 1: reading a book this week in the first animal did 1002 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,200 Speaker 1: I did I tell you all this? I can't remember 1003 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,040 Speaker 1: who I told this the And this is stuff y'all 1004 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,800 Speaker 1: already know, but we'll put it in this little package. 1005 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,760 Speaker 1: The very first animal that humans ever domesticated, per the 1006 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,840 Speaker 1: you know, the archaeological records that they've been able to 1007 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:12,280 Speaker 1: find what was dogs and and they believe that fifteen 1008 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:17,600 Speaker 1: thousand years ago humans started to domesticate dogs. And they 1009 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:22,640 Speaker 1: began to domesticate dogs for basically two reasons. One was 1010 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,600 Speaker 1: for protection, but primarily they were using that critter to hunt. 1011 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,360 Speaker 1: And they talked about how that the dogs that were 1012 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,480 Speaker 1: endeared to the people, the dogs that were trainable, the 1013 00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,440 Speaker 1: dogs that were friendly, the dogs that were useful, the 1014 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,280 Speaker 1: dogs that were able to connect with that human and 1015 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,440 Speaker 1: perceive what that human wanted him to do. Was the 1016 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,520 Speaker 1: dog that was gonna be fed more, was the dog 1017 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,040 Speaker 1: that was gonna be bread more. And basically, after fifteen 1018 00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:59,520 Speaker 1: thousand years, we have this incredible connection with dogs. And 1019 00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,840 Speaker 1: it is not by accident, more than any other animal. 1020 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,560 Speaker 1: I mean, more than a mule, more than a horse, 1021 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,040 Speaker 1: more than a cat. Like, there's this human connection between 1022 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:12,240 Speaker 1: dog and man that is legit. And it it's not 1023 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 1: just legit because it's a cute, little emotional story of 1024 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:19,040 Speaker 1: man's best friend. Is legit because it is biology. I mean, 1025 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,760 Speaker 1: those animals have adapted and evolved to become what they are. 1026 01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:31,640 Speaker 1: And so why why brethren in twenty nineteen are I mean, 1027 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,200 Speaker 1: only in the last fifty years have people began to say, hey, 1028 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,880 Speaker 1: what y'all been doing for the last fifteen thousand years 1029 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:46,600 Speaker 1: using dogs to hunt? It's bad? Pause paused for silence 1030 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:53,080 Speaker 1: and contemplation about the craziness of this planet. Really, if 1031 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:58,720 Speaker 1: we don't hunt with dogs, then our modern society is 1032 01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:03,080 Speaker 1: taking something away from us that in essence has made 1033 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,320 Speaker 1: us what we are. I mean, mankind would not have 1034 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:11,120 Speaker 1: survived in uh, you know, up in Alaska when they 1035 01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,160 Speaker 1: crossed over the burying land bridge if it hadn't been 1036 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,800 Speaker 1: for dogs, dogs protecting their camp dogs. I mean, and 1037 01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,960 Speaker 1: that that's just the very primitive beginnings of what dogs 1038 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:26,000 Speaker 1: would become inside of human history. But man, and and 1039 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:30,360 Speaker 1: I even even inside of the hunting world, I think 1040 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:35,440 Speaker 1: that we have there's kind of the shifting baseline where people, 1041 01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,560 Speaker 1: even hunters, are given in too, kind of the emotional 1042 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,560 Speaker 1: propaganda the Anni hunting community saying well, you know dogs. 1043 01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe that is kind of dogs this. 1044 01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to hunt over dogs. Man, 1045 01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,320 Speaker 1: There's been nothing ever created on the planet more fair 1046 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,680 Speaker 1: chase than pursuing big game with dogs under the supervision 1047 01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,800 Speaker 1: of a craftsman, of a woodsman like this dude right 1048 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,440 Speaker 1: here exactly. I mean, So, don't go shoot a deer 1049 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,600 Speaker 1: in a food plot and then shake your finger at 1050 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,919 Speaker 1: a houndsman trying a cat and killing a mountain lion. 1051 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:16,040 Speaker 1: I don't need the hound. You live in a glass house, brother, 1052 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,400 Speaker 1: And I don't think the people that are listening to 1053 01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,720 Speaker 1: this podcast think that way. They don't. But but but 1054 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:26,280 Speaker 1: what we've got to arm people with is a is 1055 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,440 Speaker 1: A is A is a point of view that is 1056 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,320 Speaker 1: just legit and different from the current trends we've all got, 1057 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:40,200 Speaker 1: we've all got, we're all enjoying the same stuff, regardless 1058 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,840 Speaker 1: of how what's pursued is. If it's a legal pursuit, 1059 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,680 Speaker 1: we've got we've got to be for that guy. We've 1060 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,560 Speaker 1: got to be for the guy that hunts different from 1061 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,160 Speaker 1: us if he's doing it legally and ethically, and it 1062 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,040 Speaker 1: may just not be our cup of tea, but we 1063 01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:59,680 Speaker 1: can't we can't not support him, right, you know. And 1064 01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,920 Speaker 1: that's why it is hound hunting deal is such a 1065 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,440 Speaker 1: bigger thing than just ah, yeah, it's pretty cool that 1066 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,800 Speaker 1: those guys out in New Mexico get to chase lines 1067 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:12,240 Speaker 1: and bears with dogs. This is actually, this is actually 1068 01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:17,560 Speaker 1: a very important thing for the whole of the hunting community. 1069 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,959 Speaker 1: Sometimes the smallest thing is actually one of the most 1070 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,640 Speaker 1: important things. And we talked about this all the time, 1071 01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,440 Speaker 1: but guard the gate. The dog world is the the 1072 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,200 Speaker 1: big game. Hound community is the place where the anti 1073 01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,880 Speaker 1: hunting community has the ability to come into our sphere. 1074 01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:37,160 Speaker 1: And that's why, honestly, if the hunting community could see 1075 01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,960 Speaker 1: that and understand that, they would be pumping money into 1076 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,880 Speaker 1: this thing to defend the hound hunting. But the current 1077 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,520 Speaker 1: trend is is that people if they don't do it, 1078 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,560 Speaker 1: if they don't know somebody that does it, they're not 1079 01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,640 Speaker 1: really endeared to the cause. But you know, what we're 1080 01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,160 Speaker 1: saying is that if you're endeared to the cause of 1081 01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,960 Speaker 1: North American hunting as we've known it, which you know, 1082 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,240 Speaker 1: the North American Mile for Wildlife conservation has been the 1083 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,800 Speaker 1: most successful animal husbandry act of mankind and the history 1084 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,960 Speaker 1: of the planet. We have more big game than any 1085 01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,920 Speaker 1: place in the world, and we have it because of 1086 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,840 Speaker 1: big game hunting. And so it's like, if you love that, 1087 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,480 Speaker 1: then we need to protect this. Yeah, we're vested in 1088 01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:27,560 Speaker 1: all of it, regardless, everybody's got invested interest in it. Yeah, yeah, 1089 01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:36,080 Speaker 1: what do you think? Straight? Oh, I don't agree. Ye 1090 01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,240 Speaker 1: got him all rattled up. Yeah, I mean I agree 1091 01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:44,240 Speaker 1: with everything you said. I mean, it's gotta gotta be one. 1092 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:45,640 Speaker 1: And like you said, you gotta guard the gate. I 1093 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,400 Speaker 1: mean it's there. They're they're they're they're gonna come after it. 1094 01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:54,640 Speaker 1: I mean it's yeah. Well, and they are all over 1095 01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,520 Speaker 1: the country and and uh, you you live in the 1096 01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:02,840 Speaker 1: in kind of the a sacred cradle of hound hunting 1097 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,920 Speaker 1: here in New Mexico. You really do. That's an awesome thing, 1098 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,919 Speaker 1: and uh, we just want to see it stay that way. 1099 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, it's it's almost the last of 1100 01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,720 Speaker 1: a dying breed. I mean I got into it, like 1101 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,040 Speaker 1: I said, six and a half years ago, but you 1102 01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:17,760 Speaker 1: have seeing how much it's changed since then. I mean, 1103 01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,960 Speaker 1: it's a it definitely as big as it was. I mean, 1104 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:26,959 Speaker 1: they're they're they're coming after it. But yeah, yep, Well, 1105 01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:31,360 Speaker 1: we've got one more day left in our We're gonna 1106 01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,080 Speaker 1: hunt one more day. Where are we gonna What are 1107 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,760 Speaker 1: we gonna do to marrows S right? Hopefully won't put 1108 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,400 Speaker 1: a barape tree. We're gonna go back where we've where 1109 01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:43,200 Speaker 1: we've been going, take a ride rather than go straight. Yeah, 1110 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,040 Speaker 1: well the trail, Well we'll flip a quarter here a 1111 01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,000 Speaker 1: bit and and make that choice. I'm still still trying 1112 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,960 Speaker 1: to side on that one. I know which quarter. I 1113 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,800 Speaker 1: know which quarter we ain't going to flip up. Not 1114 01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,440 Speaker 1: the one, yep, the one on the railroad track. We 1115 01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,120 Speaker 1: find that one. Um, hopefully that w word ain't ain't 1116 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,840 Speaker 1: cranking his hard. Yeah, no kidding, Well, we've got one 1117 01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,720 Speaker 1: day to get it down. The weather will be better 1118 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,240 Speaker 1: tomorrow won't it. Yeah, it was looking like I think 1119 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,280 Speaker 1: I said, in the fifties, mid fifties or so tonight 1120 01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:14,200 Speaker 1: it'll probably I don't think I said mid mid upper twenties. 1121 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,280 Speaker 1: So it'll get cold tonight, yeah, but but I think 1122 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,200 Speaker 1: tomorrow is will be yeah. Nice. He didn't say much 1123 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,600 Speaker 1: about the about the wind, but I mean, I'm sure 1124 01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,240 Speaker 1: he said it. There would be a little bit of it, 1125 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:27,240 Speaker 1: but I mean it was before midnight, it's before tomorrow. 1126 01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,360 Speaker 1: We'll work through it. We're gonna we're gonna huney the way. 1127 01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:37,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, well, Straight, thank you so much. Man. We've 1128 01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,520 Speaker 1: had incredible time, you know. I mean, I'm impressed with 1129 01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:47,200 Speaker 1: Straight talked to us about just kind of enjoying the 1130 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,800 Speaker 1: journey of hound hunting and training these dogs from scratch. 1131 01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he could have bought a bunch of started 1132 01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,000 Speaker 1: or finished dogs, but he really enjoyed building this pack 1133 01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,320 Speaker 1: from the ground up, which you know, you had some 1134 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,520 Speaker 1: help from a few people, I'm sure, but you know, 1135 01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,760 Speaker 1: you you you you you value the journey, and I 1136 01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,439 Speaker 1: think that's what you've got to do. There's no way 1137 01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:12,200 Speaker 1: to just jump into this sport, you know, and just 1138 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,520 Speaker 1: be all in right away. I mean, it takes time 1139 01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:20,120 Speaker 1: to build your pack to find what you like. And anyway, 1140 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:25,000 Speaker 1: I respect that about you. Straight. It was learned, learned 1141 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,200 Speaker 1: a percent more that way, I think than than uh 1142 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,120 Speaker 1: and also made that much more of a bond with 1143 01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,760 Speaker 1: all with all them dogs, like for sure, Yeah, just 1144 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,240 Speaker 1: learned a lot more doing it that way versus like 1145 01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,200 Speaker 1: you had mentioned, you know, getting getting a started dog, 1146 01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:39,760 Speaker 1: getting a finished dog. I mean, yeah, we would have, 1147 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,520 Speaker 1: we would have got there quicker, but I mean it 1148 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,640 Speaker 1: took it took another year or two to really get 1149 01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:50,680 Speaker 1: going and catching consistently and efficiently. And but we're we're there, 1150 01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:54,720 Speaker 1: and I mean hopefully keep on keep going up from here. 1151 01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,480 Speaker 1: I mean, got some high expectations of some pups that 1152 01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,760 Speaker 1: just hit the ground. So yeah, you had pups this 1153 01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,400 Speaker 1: we yeah, I had five of them. Got five pups 1154 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,400 Speaker 1: out there right now. They're over there with mama right 1155 01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:12,280 Speaker 1: now doing good. Yeah, that's great. That's great. Well, Brent, hey, 1156 01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,600 Speaker 1: thanks for being on the podcast. There was a there 1157 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:19,080 Speaker 1: was a podcast review on I was it as it, 1158 01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:25,599 Speaker 1: iTunes or Apple that someone that Brenton didn't know that said, 1159 01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:27,840 Speaker 1: this is a pretty good podcast, but we need some more. 1160 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:31,960 Speaker 1: Brent Reeves, I couldn't agree more. Why don't you end 1161 01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:38,880 Speaker 1: us with one colloquial saying that your father told you 1162 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,439 Speaker 1: when you were a boy. Oh my god, I've got two. 1163 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,480 Speaker 1: How about how about how he knew he was poor? Okay, 1164 01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,160 Speaker 1: my dad told me that when he learned that he 1165 01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,760 Speaker 1: was poor, he got to school. It was lunchtime and 1166 01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,000 Speaker 1: he opened up his lunch box and there was an acorn. 1167 01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, really poor, I hate your nutt in the 1168 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,160 Speaker 1: hammer in there. And that's how he knew he was 1169 01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:10,680 Speaker 1: really poor. I think acres came later. He knew it 1170 01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,519 Speaker 1: was poor when he opened up his lunch box and 1171 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,360 Speaker 1: there was a hickory nutt in the hammer. And that's 1172 01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,599 Speaker 1: exactly right. And he thought his name was go get 1173 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,200 Speaker 1: Wood until he was one of those stories that we 1174 01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:25,920 Speaker 1: heard about his dad. M Oh, I got a story. 1175 01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna to repeat these for you. We gotta 1176 01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:33,720 Speaker 1: get we got it. So when when your wife I 1177 01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:38,000 Speaker 1: was talking to your father about the dogs, Yeah, we'll 1178 01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:42,960 Speaker 1: go down to my dad's house and all his hunting 1179 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,960 Speaker 1: dogs across the road. And he's got a bunch of 1180 01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,679 Speaker 1: walker dogs. He was a big cold hunter, the world 1181 01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,280 Speaker 1: famous as far as I know, and she can hear 1182 01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,120 Speaker 1: all these dogs barking over there. And we walk up 1183 01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,280 Speaker 1: in the house and she's like, all those dogs, those 1184 01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,559 Speaker 1: are Dad's dogs. And he said, well they're they're all 1185 01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:01,960 Speaker 1: bark can over there is Yeah, that's just hunting dogs. 1186 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,680 Speaker 1: We walked in the house and she says, what kind 1187 01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,000 Speaker 1: of dogs are those over there barking? He said, well, 1188 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,680 Speaker 1: they're running walkers. She said, running walkers. They need to 1189 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:14,880 Speaker 1: make up their mind. And until that point really thought 1190 01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,679 Speaker 1: about it, you know, just they were either running walkers 1191 01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,920 Speaker 1: or treating walkers, and you never thought about that. But 1192 01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,479 Speaker 1: it took your wife, took my city mouse wife to 1193 01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:29,080 Speaker 1: point that there's a there's a little irony here boys 1194 01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,320 Speaker 1: walker that makes no sense. They need to make up 1195 01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:37,000 Speaker 1: their minds. Oh man, that had me going. That had 1196 01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:41,680 Speaker 1: me going, uh, can you think of another straight? Is 1197 01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,000 Speaker 1: there another story? I mean, Britt just keeps us entertained 1198 01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:48,360 Speaker 1: with stories constantly. Man, I thought I could think of 1199 01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,400 Speaker 1: right now. Didn't they just come to just pop pop out? 1200 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,720 Speaker 1: You know, I should I was remembering those things when 1201 01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:59,800 Speaker 1: I should have been remembering algebra. But that's that's what's 1202 01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,439 Speaker 1: so in. You remember those jokes. So they when we 1203 01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,960 Speaker 1: forgot the arrows. Oh yeah, that was a that was 1204 01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:11,400 Speaker 1: a good day. The first day out. Yeah, the first 1205 01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,000 Speaker 1: day out, we get I don't know how how far 1206 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:17,240 Speaker 1: we were from the from the truck. Well we were 1207 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,639 Speaker 1: at the truck. We were an hour away from yeah. 1208 01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah they were there. They were here. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 1209 01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:29,160 Speaker 1: We got out to start hunting and places I forgot. 1210 01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:34,479 Speaker 1: I forgot my arrows. Oh man, So but he had 1211 01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,599 Speaker 1: it covered. We did. We did have it. You can 1212 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,880 Speaker 1: you can use U a gun. So I had my 1213 01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:48,320 Speaker 1: So we pistol hunted that day. Yeah, that was good. 1214 01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,400 Speaker 1: I forgot my arrows. I forgot my arrows. Well, Straight, 1215 01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,880 Speaker 1: thanks for having us out man. Really, we've had a 1216 01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:59,080 Speaker 1: great time no matter what the outcome is tomorrow. I mean, guys, 1217 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,120 Speaker 1: if you're looking for uh mountain lion hunt or bear 1218 01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:06,320 Speaker 1: hunt in the West, Straight Straight's the guy to talk to. 1219 01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:11,640 Speaker 1: Straight twenty on Instagram, Uh for Straight twenty s t 1220 01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:16,280 Speaker 1: r A I T twenty on Instagram and you're on 1221 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:21,320 Speaker 1: Facebook too, Oh yeah, Straight? Uh yeah, it's a d o. Uh. 1222 01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,920 Speaker 1: I was wanting to pronounce it sadillo because that has 1223 01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,920 Speaker 1: two else but that would have been wrong if I 1224 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:31,240 Speaker 1: ever did that, which I never did. But Na, man, 1225 01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:36,719 Speaker 1: really it's an incredible it's incredible hunt in incredible place 1226 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,639 Speaker 1: and lots of great folks out of here. Yeah, exactly. 1227 01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,599 Speaker 1: And you guys, you guys have been I mean awesome. 1228 01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,360 Speaker 1: I mean it's I had no I know what to 1229 01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,479 Speaker 1: think coming into it, but yeah, I mean after, I 1230 01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,040 Speaker 1: mean within the first thirty minutes, I knew these are 1231 01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,679 Speaker 1: you guys. Are are two great guys. And uh, I mean, 1232 01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:54,759 Speaker 1: you guys are always welcome back, welcome back to this camp. 1233 01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,200 Speaker 1: So I mean hopefully we'll have some more some more 1234 01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:02,040 Speaker 1: memories and make more hunts to right on, man, right on. Well, hey, 1235 01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,839 Speaker 1: keep the wild places wild because that's where the mountain 1236 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:10,960 Speaker 1: lions and bears live. Sweet out,