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Speaker 1: This is Kelly Henderson and you are listening to the

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Speaker 1: Velvet Edge podcast. My guest this week is fashion designer

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Speaker 1: Rebecca Minkoff. I am so excited to bring her onto

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Speaker 1: the Velvet Edge podcast. Rebecca Minkoff is a huge, wildly

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Speaker 1: successful global brand and now an industry leader in accessible

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Speaker 1: luxury handbags, accessories, footwear and apparel. Rebecca Minkov's playful and subtle,

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Speaker 1: edgy designs can be spotted around the world on young

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Speaker 1: women and celebrities alike. Rebecca Minkoff herself has also started

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Speaker 1: a podcast called Superwomen that dives behind the scenes of

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Speaker 1: amazing and successful women's lives and also their business and

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Speaker 1: struggles or accomplishments within that business. I wanted to do

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Speaker 1: my own Superwoman podcast today with Rebecca, and so she

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Speaker 1: told me how she got her start, her first big break,

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Speaker 1: the hardest and best parts of owning your own business,

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Speaker 1: and more. Here's our conversation. Okay, So I have been

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Speaker 1: listening to your Superwoman podcast and loving it. By the way,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing. Um, I want to just talk to you

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Speaker 1: a lot more about that. I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: that actual podcast in more detail. But the podcast actually

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Speaker 1: ask women the question what are the secrets behind some

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Speaker 1: of the most successful women in the world, And then

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Speaker 1: the interviews dive into the behind the scenes of these

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Speaker 1: amazing women's lives and the businesses and the struggles, which

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Speaker 1: is the part I love before the accomplishments. So I

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Speaker 1: just kind of want to do a little superwoman talk

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Speaker 1: with you, if that's okay. But I mean, unless you're

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Speaker 1: living under a rock, you know that Rebecca Minkoff is

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Speaker 1: a huge, wildly successful global brand from everything you have,

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Speaker 1: everything from apparel to handbags, footwear to jewelry too, tech accessories.

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Speaker 1: So I want some backstory. When did you know you

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Speaker 1: wanted to be a designer? I really didn't necessarily fully

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Speaker 1: know until, um, I had to make the decision. I'd say,

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Speaker 1: before when I was a senior in high school, what

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love a love and passion for sewing

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Speaker 1: design and doing it since I was eight. Uh, But

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Speaker 1: but I truly had a moment where, you know, I

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Speaker 1: saw all my friends going off to college and that

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Speaker 1: didn't seem right for me personally, and so what was

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Speaker 1: my journey going to be? And when I had an

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, moved to New York at eighteen

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Speaker 1: only wasn't intimidating, but when you grow up in a

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Speaker 1: You know. I remember very clearly my mom and I

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Speaker 1: And then I was working for an office I refer

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Speaker 1: Do you remember what you would call maybe your first

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Speaker 1: big break. Do you remember a moment that you sort

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Speaker 1: So she said my name on national television, which had

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Speaker 1: I think that you don't know necessarily what you don't know,

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Speaker 1: So what did your life look like before the brand

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Speaker 1: all the things that people would maybe aspire to be.

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Speaker 1: But then what you just said, you're also going to

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Speaker 1: and I think it's good for the person whose business

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Speaker 1: is by that. That's a really good tip. What would

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Speaker 1: me it's the people, you know, especially women that I

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Speaker 1: podcast it's called super Women with Rebecca Minkoff. You can

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Speaker 1: find it wherever you listen to podcast obviously. The clothing

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Speaker 1: website is Rebecca minkof dot com. You guys can shop apparel,

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Speaker 1: the handbags which are my personal favorites, and everything else

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Speaker 1: Rebecca Minkoff. Where else can people find you? So they

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Speaker 1: can find me on Instagram at Rebecca Minkoff. Um is

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Speaker 1: where I'm most accessible. I am on TikTok kicking, kicking

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Speaker 1: and screaming TikTok, but yes, trying my best. What are

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Speaker 1: you doing on TikTok? Give us some examples? Oh god,

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Speaker 1: it's so embarrassing. Um, have you done any advance videos yet?

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Speaker 1: I will never do a dance video. Fair enough, okay, okay, um,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like I'm trying. I know that there's

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Speaker 1: a new generation out there and I found an old lady,

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Speaker 1: but I'm trying to connect and entertain them. Well, now

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely going to have to look that up. Um, Rebecca,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. I know you're

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Speaker 1: so busy with the holidays and everything going on with you,

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Speaker 1: so I appreciate you being here and sharing your story

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Speaker 1: with us. Thank you for having me, Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: for listening.