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Speaker 1: Okay, we are recording. Hello everybody. I am in my

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Speaker 1: joined by She's back by popular demand, my friend, your friend,

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Speaker 1: all of our friends here. They are nice Substands podcast

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Speaker 1: Andrea Pekovich.

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Speaker 2: Hi, buddy, Hi, nice to see you. I think you

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Speaker 2: can call me the people's friend. Wow.

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Speaker 3: Really humble, humble, humble, And I have to and I

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Speaker 3: hate to do this, but I have to do it,

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Speaker 3: and the if no way leads around it. You just

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Speaker 3: made me a coffee and I have to praise you

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Speaker 3: for it. It's so good. A barista was lost on you.

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Speaker 3: It's a creamy oatmeal claate slash cappuccino and.

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Speaker 1: It's actually a flat white Oh is it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I not really, no flat one.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty easy to do. You just stick it under

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Speaker 1: an espresso machine and then you stick a little stick

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Speaker 2: To do the milk.

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Speaker 1: So basically what I did was absolutely nothing. You'll be surprised, okay,

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Speaker 1: what we're able to do anyway, Hi, everyone, It's been

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Speaker 1: a great couple of months. Obviously, Caitlyn could not join

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Speaker 1: us today because she has parental duties picking up her

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Speaker 1: son Peter. And you know she was busy from twelve

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Speaker 1: on today and Petko was busy prior to twelve o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, we'll promise you it'll be the three of

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Speaker 1: us next week. Caitlin. You will edit this so you

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Speaker 1: will understand to book yourself for Monday of next week.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, we wanted to get into a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff today. Clearly the year is over, Pecko. The tennis

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I think the most important thing to talk

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Speaker 3: about firstly is you saw Wicked and I saw Adam Driver.

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Speaker 2: And I think this is monumental for you want to.

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Speaker 1: Tell people what you love and why you love Adam

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Speaker 1: Driver so much.

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Speaker 2: So I don't want to brag, but I discovered Adam Driver.

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Speaker 3: I saw him on Girls and it was before it

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Speaker 3: I called my sister and she can vouch for her.

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Speaker 1: I remember that episode. Was that the one where he

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Speaker 1: was in he was naked or is in? Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: in the I loved Girls. It was so good.

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Speaker 2: It was really good.

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Speaker 3: And I called my sister. I said to her, I

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Speaker 3: that's my proudest moment because he's not traditionally handsome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you have to have yea.

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Speaker 1: At first, I was like, this guy's random, yeah exactly,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it was just a yeah, it was

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Speaker 3: Anyways, I went to this play it's called Hold Onto

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Speaker 3: Me Darling, and he's the lead. He plays a country singer. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And three hours flew by, and when he came on stage,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my basically, just so people

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Speaker 2: He said, he's so big. Jesse was like, he's so big.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Anyway, I just actually came back from

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Speaker 1: watching Wicked, and I want to spoil it for everybody,

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Speaker 1: but I will spoil it by saying it's to be continued.

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Speaker 1: I was like, at the end of the movie, I

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Speaker 1: But and I had seen Wicked on Broadway, and so

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Speaker 2: Just you know, the logo to the cinema.

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Speaker 1: but it's to be continued, So just be prepared for that. People,

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Speaker 2: That's so weird to them for two hours.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But anyway, so we're going to have to put

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Speaker 1: up with Wicked Part two and the press releases for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that, and let's talk about the

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Speaker 3: Okay, do you have the nominees here? Because I just

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Speaker 3: got them, so I have them, right, my friends? Okay,

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Speaker 3: so come back player after year, Matteo, Berrettini, Marine, Chilic, Kanishikorio,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. What do you think Bertini won

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Speaker 2: He won three tournament?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he did win three, and he did win that

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Speaker 3: I think that's too, I think, because you know, in

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Speaker 3: I really think Australia has the strongest team.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because we do, though. The guys that play

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's what the player of the year most most

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Speaker 3: Alejandro Tabilo played super well on Auckland this year, made

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Speaker 3: the Semis of Rome and the Master so anyway, Newcomer

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Speaker 3: of the Year, Jakob Mansik or Yunchang Chuang just to Chang. Yes, well,

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Speaker 1: So they didn't put Sinna on that.

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Speaker 1: It's a little do you not put Sinner on? I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Sinner's like the nicest guy in the world on the tenniscope,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, before you get into it. Let me read to

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Speaker 1: Or the Italian guy or yes, that's pretty crazy.

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Speaker 3: It's because I think if he gets banned, they don't

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Speaker 1: Of yeah, because also we haven't had that that final

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Speaker 3: I think they are basically I don't know if protecting

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Speaker 1: It's fucking stupid.

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Speaker 3: From from a situation that he is the that he

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Speaker 1: leaving them off that list? That's ridiculous. I mean I

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Speaker 2: It's the same.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a good example, but they just want

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Speaker 3: Hey hey, hey, he kicked the wall in Cincinnati very

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Speaker 3: gently in a fit of rage.

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Speaker 1: Careful, but you make my point for me. I mean,

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Speaker 3: The biggest like emotional outburst I've ever seen of it

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Speaker 1: Wall and you're like, what's happening is using his mind?

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Speaker 1: Wait, was Alcooriz on the list?

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Speaker 2: He's on the list of sportsmanship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. He broke racket this

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Speaker 1: never put Novak on there. It's like, well, because he

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Speaker 1: of anyway, let's not get into it.

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Speaker 3: Well, he this year, he probably should have been the

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Speaker 3: all the successes that Novak Djokovic had to me the

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Speaker 3: turning forty place three events. Talks in every media interview,

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Speaker 3: has to send the facts from the malodies, being like, guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm not good.

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Speaker 3: I'm already on vacation and I can't believe all of

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Speaker 1: So you're worried about men's tennis, aren't you? A little bit.

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Speaker 1: men's tennis, because, yes, Yannik and Alcoraz are incredible. They're

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Speaker 1: going to be around for a long time. Both of

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Speaker 1: them want to win a lot of majors and that's

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Speaker 1: hugely important. They're both really nice guys, so it's they're

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Speaker 1: great for the sport, but you're concerned about the rest.

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Speaker 2: A little bit.

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Speaker 3: So I was intern I've never I was never in

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Speaker 3: I was there in terms of media, but I've never

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Speaker 3: been to an ATP finals. This was the first time

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Speaker 3: I was in to Reno, and I was a little

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Speaker 2: Always tried what I tried to do.

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Speaker 3: I try to do an analogy with women's tennis, and

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Speaker 3: I was trying to think, what if Serena had played

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Speaker 3: thirty eight year old with an injury on her knee,

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Speaker 3: had played five or six I'm exaggerating. Obviously Nova played

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Speaker 3: a bit more, but not a lot more. Yeah, he

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Speaker 3: played very little events. Many of the events he played

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Speaker 3: he clearly wasn't motivated. He said so himself.

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Speaker 1: How many did he play?

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Speaker 3: Do you know?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but he played.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say twelve maybe, But just think about

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Speaker 3: Serena doing the same, playing only twelve events.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which she never played the US Open and didn't

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Speaker 1: play the WTA finals forever.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but imagine just put yourself in the same situation,

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Speaker 3: Serena only playing twelve events, not winning a title for

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Speaker 3: the first time in forever, and Okay, winning the gold medal,

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Speaker 3: but it doesn't count because it doesn't go into the ranking.

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Speaker 2: Points of the ATP.

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Speaker 3: And she makes that makes the WTA finals. What do

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Speaker 3: you think the media would.

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Speaker 1: Say, Yeah, they'd be losing their mind.

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Speaker 3: How bad tennis? How can Serena make make it? And

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Speaker 3: so on and so farth. So that's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: And I was there, and it was just it wasn't

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Speaker 3: even that men's tennis is. And I have to say, like,

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Speaker 3: every single guy that was there I really liked. You know,

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Speaker 3: there wasn't a single one that I don't really like,

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Speaker 3: So it's not in that regard. The only thing that

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Speaker 3: I did see was that Jannick Sinner was so ahead

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Speaker 3: Carlos was out, it was already a done deal.

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Speaker 2: Basically, the only.

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Speaker 3: Question was can he sustain the pressure of the home crowd,

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Speaker 3: which never really was a question.

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Speaker 2: He didn't lose more than four games per set.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and did you see that record that Sinner

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Speaker 1: has right now not losing a set? I mean, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: Lord have mercy. He's like on fire.

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Speaker 3: But I did, so it's difficult for me to say

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Speaker 3: I wonder what you think, because it's difficult for me

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Speaker 3: to say whether they are just so good or whether

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Speaker 3: men's tennis doesn't have the depth in the top ten.

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Speaker 3: Right now, you know it's because today I was going

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Speaker 3: through the top five, and so for example, Medvedev and

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Speaker 3: Fritz are around seven five thousand points.

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Speaker 1: Novak played eighteen tournaments this year.

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Speaker 2: That's not bad. That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: He played more than Medvedev. Oh really, yeah, he played

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Speaker 1: the same as al Chorist and he actually played one

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Speaker 1: more than Janick Sinner. Okay, I take everything, so take

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Speaker 1: everything anyway.

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Speaker 2: So that made for ten minutes. I can just retract.

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Speaker 1: Actually, but in actual fact, that shows you because you

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Speaker 1: and I followed tennis a lot, you commentating it all

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Speaker 1: year pretty much, I am commentating a lot in the

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Speaker 1: fact that we didn't think he played that much. That

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Speaker 1: just shows you how. I don't want to say that

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Speaker 1: because I know I'm going to get haters. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: calm down, everybody that thinks I hate Novac. I don't

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Speaker 1: hate Novak. That just shows you how bad a year

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Speaker 1: he had when you think for his standards, yeah, for

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Speaker 1: his standards, but I mean, his standards are not going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: This is who he is. He's the greatest player of

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Speaker 1: all time. And the fact that he won one tournament

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Speaker 1: he was in one final Wimbledon, like that's it, Like

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Speaker 1: what are we doing here? Like that is crazy shit.

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Speaker 1: So and the fact that he did actually play more

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Speaker 1: than Sinner and you felt like he didn't play this year,

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Speaker 1: that badly he played this year.

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Speaker 2: Well scratch that.

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Speaker 3: Tole argument, Caitlin, you can delete everything.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, But I think it's interesting that you

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Speaker 1: thought he didn't play a lot and he's still qualified

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Speaker 1: it will be interesting to see your steps up. I

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Speaker 1: want to know your thoughts. I have my thoughts on

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Speaker 1: Taylor Fritz. I do believe he can win a major,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like his net game has to improve

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Speaker 2: Both of them.

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Speaker 1: I give Darren a lot of credit for helping Sinner,

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Speaker 1: I saw an opportunity to run in, I would run

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Speaker 1: like this. I don't feel like Taylor's comfortable at all

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Speaker 1: looked at very scared, very volley for him, very basic

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Speaker 1: you could just do that more and more, you would

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Speaker 1: it's the one area that stops him from being a

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Speaker 1: his game. That's where Alcaraz and Sinner differentiate themselves with

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Speaker 1: that's the difference, and I think if Taylor's going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree to a certain extent, Actually not to

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Speaker 3: a certain extent. I agree one hundred percent in that regard.

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Speaker 3: I do think that he plays too much through the court.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he goes for angles at all, and

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Speaker 3: when he runs into somebody like Yannick Sinner, it's actually

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Speaker 3: mind blowing to me that he keeps beatings there. It's

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Speaker 1: Feels comfortable in the back end and back end that's

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Speaker 1: the thing. Yeah, because I kept watching it going why

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Speaker 1: in red? He said it after the match? He said

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Speaker 1: it after the match, he said someone I think it

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Speaker 1: but about sort of backhand back and he's like, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm super comfortable doing that, and I'm not afraid because

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Speaker 1: his forehand is so much better than Zverev's. Yes, but

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Speaker 1: it's almost like he's like, I dare you to beat

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So it was really interesting because Paul Anacon was I

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Speaker 3: texting people in the US asking like, Hey, what is

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Speaker 3: Paul saying because he was calling the match for a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is weird to me.

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Speaker 2: It is weird.

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Speaker 3: But on the other hand, and he kept saying apparently

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Speaker 3: in so many words, he didn't say it in that,

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Speaker 3: but Taylor is playing the tactically most stupid match he's

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Speaker 3: of CEF but he won. So but what I wanted

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Speaker 3: to say, that's not the point I'm trying to make.

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Speaker 3: The point that I'm trying to make is that he

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Speaker 3: needs if you want wants to beat somebody like Yanick Sinna,

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Speaker 3: to the angles because he hits the ball well through

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Speaker 3: he's such a good mover with his little fox legs.

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Speaker 3: He's always like in balance and just goes like and

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Speaker 3: then and then he he doesn't miss the fourth point.

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Speaker 3: but then the twelfth he does miss and Yanick doesn't.

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Speaker 3: And then that's the difference. That's why he lose like

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Speaker 3: I think that's but just I wanted to make one

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Speaker 2: To me Taylor.

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Speaker 3: And so Taylor is number four, then Neil Medvedev is

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Speaker 3: number five, and they add five thousand points roughly one

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Speaker 3: has five thousand, one hundred, the other has five thousand

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Speaker 3: and thirty or something, right, And then Carlos and Zverev

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Speaker 3: are around seven thousand points, and then Yanick's like like,

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Speaker 3: and Yanick has almost twelve thousand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is a huge so already, so this

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Speaker 2: is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I do think Carlos Sasha, you might not like him,

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Speaker 3: but Carlos, Sasha and Yanick have set themselves apart from

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Speaker 3: the pack, and the points are telling the story because

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Speaker 3: two thousand points between Carlos and Taylor and Daniel. Two

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Speaker 3: thousand points is winning a Slam tournament and Carlos and

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Speaker 3: Sasha loose first round, which won't happen. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 3: lot of that's a big difference.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand points is winning a Grand Slam tournament.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know it's gonna be interesting to see

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Speaker 1: what happens, because of course, Yanik book End of the Year,

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Speaker 1: which I predicted, Go back and listen I predict.

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Speaker 2: But crazy, he's ahead four thousand.

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Speaker 1: Points, and he did not do Wimbledon or the French

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Speaker 1: I mean for his standards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean did Sammy said the French? He didn't

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Speaker 3: make the fathers at the wim But for example, that's

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Speaker 3: you say, but four thousand points, that's winning two slams.

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Speaker 3: So Zverev would have to win as Open and French Open,

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Speaker 3: and Yanick wouldn't have to play at all, which can

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Speaker 3: happen technically if the Vada decides to ban him. But

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Speaker 3: this is the how much ahead he is of the

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Speaker 3: how bad are the others? So that's what my question

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Speaker 3: was to you, are the others so bad? Or are

438
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Speaker 3: these guys so fucking good?

439
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Speaker 1: I think it's a combination. I think it's a combination.

440
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Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of both, to be honest,

441
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Speaker 1: which is a combination, I don't know.

442
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Speaker 2: I mean I think the definition of a company.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we'll see it next year. I think

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Taylor next year, because I

445
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,360
Speaker 1: think you got a taste for it this year. You

446
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,919
Speaker 1: commented on him losing at the US Open, how he

447
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 1: looks so mad, and that's good. That's good that he

448
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 1: loses in the final and looks like he's pissed, you know.

449
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Speaker 1: So he's he's making slow incremental improvements, you know, And

450
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Speaker 1: so that's huge. And I think all the guys behind

451
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Speaker 1: him like Ben Shelton, Franz Stiafo, Tommy Poul all these

452
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,640
Speaker 1: guys have pushed him to be better because I think

453
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Speaker 1: he has that he has that edge. He comes from

454
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Speaker 1: a very you know, sporting family, comes from a very

455
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Speaker 1: successful tennis family, so he has the mindset of he

456
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: wants to be better, and so I think that's great.

457
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Speaker 1: And the thing that I like about it he has

458
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Speaker 1: had Michael Russell with him the whole time and he's

459
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Speaker 1: stuck with him. He has said, oh, I need to change.

460
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Speaker 1: Then again, maybe he does need a change to go

461
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Speaker 1: that extra step. I don't know, but I like the

462
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Speaker 1: fact that he's stuck with the same team. He's improved

463
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Speaker 1: tremendous amount in the last twelve months. And I like

464
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Speaker 1: Taylor a lot and I think he's great for the game.

465
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Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 3: Well, and you will be happy. I talked to Boris

467
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Speaker 3: Becker lately and he said, to me.

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Speaker 1: Did you ask him how the clinker was? How the

469
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Speaker 1: clinker was?

470
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Speaker 2: What's the clink?

471
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Speaker 1: The jail? He didn't, I didn't know how it wasn't

472
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Speaker 1: in there, buddy, did you He didn't ask him at all?

473
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Speaker 2: No, No, I just wanted the first thing.

474
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask him about tennis, because he has a

475
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Speaker 3: great tennis mind.

476
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Speaker 2: I like, I really like talking to him about tennis.

477
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Speaker 3: And he said he thinks that among the tennis reasons

478
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Speaker 3: why Yanick is so great and why he's so ahead

479
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 3: of the rest, he says he has the perfect team

480
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Speaker 3: by his side. He plays the least tournaments. When he

481
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 3: feels tired, when he feels injured, he pulls out. He

482
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Speaker 3: keeps his energies, he manages his emotional and he had

483
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Speaker 3: this black cloud above his head and then then he's like, yeah,

484
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Speaker 3: I didn't sleep so well and it was bothering me.

485
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Speaker 3: Imagine what he does next to you when he is

486
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Speaker 3: sleeping well and it's not bothering.

487
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Speaker 1: He's getting rest, Like.

488
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Speaker 3: What he's going to be twenty thousand points ahead of everyone.

489
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Speaker 1: And look, he won this tournament knowing that he still

490
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Speaker 1: had the water shitter over his head. So yeah, it'll listen.

491
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Speaker 1: I said it years ago. I'm not tooting a horn

492
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Speaker 1: that I wasn't blowing A long time ago. I told

493
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Speaker 1: Darren Cahill when he had the opportunity, and you know,

494
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Speaker 1: told me he was gonna work with Yanick. I'm like,

495
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Speaker 1: oh my god, it was even before Yanick that Darren

496
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Speaker 1: was going to work with him. I'm like, this guy

497
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: is so freaking good. Once he kind of gets into

498
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 1: his body and you know, he gets a little bit stronger.

499
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Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Oh, he had everything. Everything and the

500
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: mentality he keeps his ship together, which is why he

501
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: should have been on the Sportsmanship Award.

502
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 2: Mentality.

503
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Speaker 1: Oh god, it's so great and he's such a nice guy.

504
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: All right, So that's the atp side of it. Davis

505
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Speaker 1: Cup finished. How about the fucking Italians man winning Davis

506
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Speaker 1: Cup and the Billy Jean King Cup with Jasmine Polini

507
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Speaker 1: and Bronzetti coming through. They came through in that doubles

508
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: that under armed served from Sarah Arani. I was there

509
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Speaker 1: witnessing it, going my god, I can't believe I'm watching

510
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: this doubles. But the fact that they figured that out,

511
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: and but.

512
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Speaker 2: She plays world doubles.

513
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Speaker 1: Sarah is the best doubles player on the court.

514
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Speaker 2: Actually, she knows what she's doing.

515
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Speaker 1: I would say outside of her serf, she's the best doubles.

516
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Speaker 3: Because then we talk about it. When she was in

517
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Speaker 3: the mixed finals, she was like the best.

518
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Speaker 1: I called the match, she was the best player on

519
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Speaker 1: the court. Because I'll tell you why. And this is

520
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Speaker 1: why it frustrates me it's a little hard to watch

521
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Speaker 1: women's doubles is that they don't played doubles. They're just

522
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Speaker 1: hitting and the lob and they'll poach sometimes. And like

523
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Speaker 1: when I played, you had to get the ball. We

524
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Speaker 1: understood because everyone volleyed really well. Back fifteen years ago,

525
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Speaker 1: right twenty years ago, we had everyone that played singles

526
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Speaker 1: was a good vollier, Kim Cleisters. You know, we're talking

527
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Speaker 1: like all these players that came before Lindsay Davenport, they

528
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Speaker 1: were all very competent at the net. And so you

529
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Speaker 1: can't hit through somebody at the net. Like if you

530
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Speaker 1: played me and tried to hit through me, you're not

531
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Speaker 1: hitting through me. I'm gonna make one volley, two volleys,

532
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Speaker 1: three volleys, and you're gonna finally go fuck it. I'm

533
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Speaker 1: gonna love you. And guess what we're like now, she's

534
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Speaker 1: gonna lob. You just knew as a good volleyer where

535
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Speaker 1: to move. Didn't matter how hard you hit it. The

536
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Speaker 1: only problem was if you got it to my feet right.

537
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Speaker 1: So if you got it to my feet. Now I

538
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Speaker 1: have to hear volley up right. And now, because everyone

539
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Speaker 1: was a good vollier, they would hit it their feet

540
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Speaker 1: and they would run forward and they would smash it right.

541
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Speaker 1: So I would take a ball and I'd just feed

542
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Speaker 1: it to your feet with a little chip or a

543
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Speaker 1: little dip and then run in and go bang with

544
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Speaker 1: a volley right because you're not gonna be able to

545
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Speaker 1: so good volleys would just dink it back. Which is

546
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Speaker 1: why if you ever see the Brian Brothers play, you know,

547
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Speaker 1: sometimes I do these little dinky dinky dinkies with people

548
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Speaker 1: and you're like, why don't they smash it? You can't

549
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Speaker 1: smash it when it's below the net. You gotta it's

550
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: kind of like pickaball, you know, stupid pickable when you

551
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: just ding ding ding. That's what good doubles players can do.

552
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: They can get it to your feet and then they

553
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Speaker 1: close and finish it right. That's what Sarah run. Let's

554
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: not talk about that. But like Sarah Ranie when she

555
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: was playing I she thinks, like me from the baseline,

556
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Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of power. So I'm like, oh,

557
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Speaker 1: she's gonna dip this there and she's gonna come in

558
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: and sure enough, she'd dip it there, come in and

559
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Speaker 1: bang with the volley. I'm like, she plays old school doubles.

560
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Speaker 1: These idiots that don't know how to play at the net,

561
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Speaker 1: she toys with them because of that. It's not anything

562
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Speaker 1: to do with power. Doubles is, which is why my

563
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Speaker 1: Tina Hingis was such a good doubles player. She didn't

564
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Speaker 1: have power, but she would toy with you. She would

565
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: dip it at your feet, she would lob you, she

566
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Speaker 1: would dip it at the feet again, come in and

567
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Speaker 1: volley it out of the air. That's what nobody does anymore.

568
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: All these I was trying to hit the shit out

569
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Speaker 1: of the ball and it's like, oh my god, you're

570
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: so dumb. You're leaving yourself in a bad position by

571
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: doing that. But Ranie dip takes her time. I think

572
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: the way she thought, and I'm like, oh, even when

573
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: she slices and comes into the net with these girls

574
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Speaker 1: at the baseline, and I'm like, they'll try and hit

575
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Speaker 1: the shit out of here, and she'll just bolly it

576
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Speaker 1: through the net player. It's like simple doubles execution. And

577
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Speaker 1: that's what she does, and that's why she's the best

578
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Speaker 1: doubles player probably in the world right now, even with

579
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Speaker 1: other girls winning, you know, the championships and all this,

580
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Speaker 1: she still plays very classical doubles. If she had a serve,

581
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Speaker 1: she would be dominating. Still in doubles she has no serve,

582
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Speaker 1: literally none. So anyway, the Italian's unbelievable. Their association must

583
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Speaker 1: be so pumped to win. Has that happened before the time?

584
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Speaker 3: I will just tell you so, I think the last

585
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Speaker 3: time we had a mate, know, the last.

586
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Speaker 1: Time was Russia.

587
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Speaker 2: I think, oh really really, yeah, something weird.

588
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: Maybe not, but it was something surprising. But I think

589
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: twenty twelve or thirteen was the last time.

590
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: So.

591
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Speaker 3: I was in Toronto when Jannixino one and the president

592
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Speaker 3: of the Federation of the Italiana, was holding a speech

593
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Speaker 3: and he it was like the most Italian thing you've

594
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Speaker 3: ever seen, was no, he was like crying and speaking

595
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Speaker 3: and like gran the ten.

596
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Speaker 2: I don't speak Italian.

597
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Speaker 3: I understand most of it because I played a lot

598
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: of and that's one of the reasons why they are

599
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 3: so good. I placed most of my Challenger tour was

600
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Speaker 3: in Italy because it's quite close to Germany. Oh, you're

601
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: too interested, But it was quite close to Germany, so

602
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: I could take the train.

603
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: You know it wasn't I could take the train.

604
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Speaker 3: I would spend three four weeks in Italy play all

605
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: the tournaments, and you could play. And that's the great thing.

606
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: You can play from a ten K to one hundred k.

607
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: You can play everything and in between. So wherever you

608
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: stand in your rankings, you will find a way into

609
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 3: a tournament.

610
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: And the beauty of Europe though, that's why you guys

611
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: are so lucky, he was, is so lucky. You can

612
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: just like jump on a train, get in a car,

613
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: travel three hours and be in another country playing and

614
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: challenges like for us stupid little Australians trying to get

615
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: on a train. No no, I mean in Australia, but

616
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: not the need. You know that you need to be

617
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: playing all the time. So we got to get on

618
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Speaker 1: a plane and go somewhere.

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Speaker 3: No, but the all of Asia Pacific is brutal, like China. Asia,

620
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: just Asia is so hard. I don't know how you

621
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 3: guys do it, honestly. But just to finish the president guy,

622
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: so he was like crying and I could just understand

623
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Speaker 3: Grande grand Italia, grande tennis, and he finished it.

624
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: Up with like Viva la Talia or.

625
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 4: Something like this, and everyone's cheering and crying, and I

626
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 4: was like, we had a political rallia, we had a

627
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 4: tennis tournament, but it was so it was so Italian, and.

628
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 3: I was like, this was a week before day one

629
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Speaker 3: Davis Cup and Billy came up.

630
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Speaker 2: Imagine the speech he would give. Now there's definitely.

631
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: Pumped, losing their mind. But that was credible. It's shame

632
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: for Eager because she played really well. She beat Paulini

633
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: and she was.

634
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: You said that was the best matches.

635
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: S Yeah, she was very well. She was not good

636
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: in the first set, and she she hung in there

637
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: and she played great in the end. And I gave

638
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: her a lot of credit because she was you know,

639
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: both her and Pauline had to be exhausted, exhausted going

640
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: into Davis into fed Cup, as would Sinner. I mean

641
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: the fact he didn't lose a set, you know, did

642
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: what he did for the Italians after the year he's had,

643
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: I mean, desperate to have a break. But then again

644
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: he is playing golf now. I don't know if you

645
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: saw this latest Darren k Hill posted on his Instagram

646
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: and now it's everywhere and I made a comment on

647
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: it because Darren I can play some golf and his

648
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: swing was not good and he completely missed the ball

649
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: with a driver. I go, I don't know if that's

650
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: actually possible to do.

651
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: What he did so good.

652
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: He literally hit under the ball.

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Speaker 2: He only hit like the t Can you send this?

654
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Speaker 1: It's horrendous.

655
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Speaker 2: I love that he's not good at something at least.

656
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Speaker 1: Yeah literally, I know, because he's a great skier and

657
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: all the things. But oh my god, this is so funny.

658
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Speaker 1: And I said to Darren, I said to Darren, I

659
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Speaker 1: texted him, I said, listen, tell Yannick, I'll play eighteen

660
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Speaker 1: holes of golf for his six kings money because I

661
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Speaker 1: know I'm taking out that six million dollars. Yeah, I mean,

662
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Speaker 1: that's just crazy. I want just on Davis cut a

663
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Speaker 1: couple of interesting decisions with the dumbness. Yeah, what did

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Speaker 1: you think about the Americans and Bob Bryant a part

665
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Speaker 1: of shit on Twitter?

666
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Speaker 3: I saw the controversy, and I see the point. I

667
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Speaker 3: will This might sound really surprising, but I will defend

668
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 3: Bob Bryan That's fine. And the reason, yes there are

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Speaker 3: a reason, and the reason that I have for it

670
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Speaker 3: is Jan Nicksona and Matio Berattini. So basically, Italy did

671
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Speaker 3: exactly the same thing on the same day and it

672
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: worked out. Yes, they didn't play the best doubles in

673
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Speaker 3: the world, but they played a top ten pair in

674
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Speaker 3: Argentina and they took out Andreva Vassori and Simone Bolelli,

675
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Speaker 3: who were qualified at the ATP Masters, So they were

676
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Speaker 3: one of the.

677
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Speaker 2: Best at all pairs.

678
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: Remember indoors, it doesn't matter.

679
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: They did exactly the same thing and it worked out.

680
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: They won.

681
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Speaker 3: Jannick Sinner and Matteo Bertini never fucking played doubles in

682
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Speaker 3: their lives together, never played doubles at all, and they

683
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: beat a good doubles pair, so it works out.

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Speaker 1: And I understand Janickson and not played doubles at Davis

685
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Speaker 1: CuPy you sure.

686
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Speaker 2: He has played doubles, but not with Matteo. Not with Mateo,

687
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: but they rarely have a play at all.

688
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: I don't think has Yanick ever played outside of Davis

689
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: Cup of Doubles match.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, are you going to break those guys?

691
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Speaker 3: But this is what I'm saying, And so I understand

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Speaker 3: completely Bob Bryan's decision because I don't think regif Frahm

693
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Speaker 3: and cry check right. I don't think they would have

694
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Speaker 3: beaten the Australian pair either. And I think you have

695
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: a bigger chance if Shelton closes his eyes and has

696
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: a crazy good surf day, I think you have a

697
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Speaker 3: better chance to somehow get in the tiebreak and hope

698
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Speaker 3: one of the Aussies chokes.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a bigger chance than having Regifra. And

701
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Speaker 3: you know doubles better, so you are much more qualified

702
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Speaker 3: than this. But I understood his reasoning behind it. I

703
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: don't think he explained it well. I think he didn't

704
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Speaker 3: want to explain it after having lost. But I could

705
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Speaker 3: understand where he was coming from, and I thought the

706
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Speaker 3: piling on was a little unfair, even though I completely

707
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Speaker 3: understand where it comes from, because you have to back

708
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Speaker 3: your doubles players right, because the next time they are

709
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Speaker 3: on court, they will feel horrible because they weren't back

710
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Speaker 3: and they will lose, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure it was a very difficult decision, especially to

712
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Speaker 5: someone who was a double specialist and you know, arguably

713
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Speaker 5: the greatest of all time, to not play his doubles players.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder what practice was like through the week.

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Speaker 1: I know that's I know that Rajhiev and Austin have

716
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Speaker 1: not been playing great of late, so maybe they didn't

717
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Speaker 1: have the confidence going in there. But then I think

718
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Speaker 1: in some regards and don't pick them.

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Speaker 2: You know, don't take them, just.

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Speaker 1: Take another singles player. Maybe I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: know who was available. So that's all stuff and all speculation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a good point because we never know

723
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Speaker 3: what maybe practices, we don't know. Maybe Austin went up

724
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Speaker 3: to Bob and was like, bro, I feel my either

725
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: I'm not playing well or even I'm feeling my wrist today.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that can be one hundred percent. We

727
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Speaker 2: don't know, and Bob is not going to tell us

728
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Speaker 2: because he needs.

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Speaker 3: To protect That's the task of a captain to protect

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Speaker 3: your players. But sorry, go on, I just wanted to say,

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Speaker 3: it's a good point that you're making.

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Speaker 2: We don't know all the details.

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Speaker 1: Are Yeah, and also we don't know in the practice

734
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Speaker 1: what was happening in practice. Maybe Austin and Rajiev were

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Speaker 1: playing against these guys in practice and losing. You don't

736
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Speaker 1: get a lot of opportunity to practice doubles at Davis

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Speaker 1: Cup or fed Cup. You maybe set aside a day

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Speaker 1: or an afternoon, you know what it's like like two

739
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Speaker 1: hours and then player set and you know, maybe the

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Speaker 1: guys smoke them. I don't know. I'm sure Bob was

741
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Speaker 1: hoping to hold Shelton serve all the time. Here's the problem.

742
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Speaker 1: Tommy doesn't have a big serf, you know what I mean,

743
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Speaker 1: And you can get on his serf. He has a

744
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: good serve, but you can get on it. And you know,

745
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: Jordan Thompson is one of the best returners in the game.

746
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Speaker 1: He's not going to miss a lot of returns. And

747
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Speaker 1: Matt loves pace as well. And I think by the

748
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Speaker 1: looks of the way they were playing, they really set

749
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Speaker 1: out to go at Ben at the net. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: really efficient there. He's not going to move that much

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Speaker 1: on Tommy's serve. I just felt that there was a

752
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Speaker 1: lot of discombobulation. Again, I don't know. We don't know

753
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Speaker 1: what led up to it, because apparently Bob said that

754
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Speaker 1: he made the decision literally after the singles. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if if you were going to play singles players,

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Speaker 1: I would have played Sorry, I would have played Ben

757
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Speaker 1: and Taylor and Taylor me too, because then you you

758
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Speaker 1: hopefully are not going to.

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00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: Lose exactly, you get to the tie break, and then

760
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 3: the tie break anything can happen.

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Speaker 2: And Taylor just was in the final of the ATP

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Speaker 2: and Ben.

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Speaker 3: Thinks the best well yeah, and but Ben thinks he's

764
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Speaker 3: the best player in the world. Anyways, I think he's

765
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Speaker 3: looking at you. He's like, his twelve thousand points I

766
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 3: should have fifteen thousand.

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Speaker 1: There's no question. There's no question that Ben, you know,

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Speaker 1: has the hootspa. I mean, he really does believe and

769
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Speaker 1: it's important for of course it is.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so some interesting choices there. I also think

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Speaker 1: that it was interesting that that Leyton Hewitt picked cock

773
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Speaker 1: and Arcus as well. And listen, Cocky had a number.

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Speaker 3: Can I please before you go into Cockinakus, Austin cry

775
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Speaker 3: Check and rejief Rama playing Jordan and Matt, who do

776
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Speaker 3: you think.

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00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: When if your head to bet, you would think so.

778
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Speaker 1: But having said that, well, because they beat you know,

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Speaker 1: Matt and John Pierce from Australia beat those guys in

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Speaker 1: the final of the Olympics on clay, so you know,

781
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Speaker 1: maybe he felt like Matt has hit their number. You know,

782
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: Matt plays well against them. We are lucky that we

783
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Speaker 1: have a plethora of great doubles players that play can

784
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Speaker 1: play for Australia, including Kokanakas who's one of Grand Slam

785
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Speaker 1: Nick with Nick Kirios. So, and I know that all

786
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Speaker 1: of the guys, all of our assie guys, would be

787
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Speaker 1: comfortable playing with one another. The only ones that are

788
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Speaker 1: not super comfortable are Max Percel and Matt Ebden because

789
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Speaker 1: they don't really get along personally. And guess what, they

790
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: won Wimbledon together, so even if you threw them together,

791
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Speaker 1: they're gonna play well. I mean they did play. They

792
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: have played tires since then. I think one of the

793
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Speaker 1: last ones to qualify. No, they're just that's why they

794
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: stopped playing. They didn't really get along.

795
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Speaker 2: They don't have anything, and come.

796
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Speaker 1: No, Max is a little weird, Matt's a little weird.

797
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: Maybe they were just like, yeah, you're both weird.

798
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: Oh weird don't match.

799
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: Our weirds don't match. But my point is, and they

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Speaker 1: have played since for Australia and they wont a very

801
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: big tie getting into the finals. So we had like

802
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: four people we could play easily, and so it is

803
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Speaker 1: really as you know as especially now with the format

804
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: being best of three. It's like if you can win

805
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Speaker 1: one singles and get it doubles, doubles is as important.

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Speaker 3: That's why I honestly think Australia is most the most

807
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: dangerous team, if not on paper by Rang.

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Speaker 1: But I would have played Poprin. Why didn't Layton play? Yeah?

809
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Speaker 1: I would have played Poperan. He just won a tournament indoors.

810
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: He's had an amazing year. He arguably could be up

811
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Speaker 1: for the most proof player this year. I mean his

812
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: coach is up for Coach of the year. So I

813
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Speaker 1: don't understand that Bertini, but I.

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Speaker 2: Would against it. I would have played right because Tanasi beat.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have played Shelton.

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00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would not have played Yeah, but it was

817
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: Shelton's first match well.

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00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 3: And to the Tanasi on a good day he plays

819
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: incredible to anybody, but his not known to be able

820
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Speaker 3: to hold this quality for more days, just because he's

821
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Speaker 3: so injured all.

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Speaker 1: So I would have played Popron against Beratini. Having said

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Speaker 1: that he had an opportunity to win. He hit a

824
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Speaker 1: terrible missed the terrible forehand to lose his serve in

825
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: the third set. But I was thinking even to throw

826
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Speaker 1: Poprin in then against Janick Sinner. There's no way demon

827
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Speaker 1: is biatting Sinner. Absolutely no chance, no chance, but no

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Speaker 1: one's But I would have thrown in a lightning rod

829
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: or just said for somebody who can I mean on

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Speaker 1: a big an indoor court, Popren is probably gonna hold

831
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Speaker 1: serve even against Yeah, I don't know. There are all questions.

832
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: That's what why captains, you know?

833
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: And this is what And this is the thing that

834
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Speaker 3: I hate about these jobs.

835
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Speaker 2: I mean not hate about these jobs.

836
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: It's great for them, but hate about the the assessment

837
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 3: of these jobs. If you do it right, your legend

838
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: or nobody mentions you. But it's like now that Yannick

839
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: won for Italy again, it's not like, oh Philippo Balandre,

840
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: grand de Filippo, it's grande Yanick. He want us the

841
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: Davis Cup again. So they're like, oh, he didn't mess up.

842
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 3: And if you lose like Bob Bryan, now you're the

843
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 3: scapegoat who messed everything up. And it's a really unthankful

844
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: job being a captain of a Billy Jean King Cup

845
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 3: or a Davis Cup team. And I just want to

846
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: say a name of all tennis players. No, I really,

847
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: I don't think I would, just because it's not even

848
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: because I need to have the gratefulness of the people,

849
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 3: but just the combining these persons. And I think now

850
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: it's a little easier, but back in the days when

851
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: you had five players and anyone can play singles, you

852
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 3: know what I mean on two days, like you could

853
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 3: technically have four different people playing. You don't want a

854
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: competition in your team in the five days that you're

855
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: spending together. But that's basically what you have as a

856
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: captain if you're if you're the depth is quite you know,

857
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 3: Yanick obviously doesn't have to fight for a spot. But

858
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: if it's Atini, Mussetti and freaking KOBALI.

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00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: What was the same in for Australia it was Cocinakus

860
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: and proper and an exactly spring higher. Yeah, so that

861
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: was a big call from it. That's what it works

862
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: on the first day. Or give him credit, but I

863
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: think that Poproham would not have I don't think Popham

864
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: would have lost those matches. I think he would have

865
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: beaten Barattini, I do, I do. I think he has

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00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: the firepower and you know it was definitely the big

867
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Speaker 1: surve big fourhands between Barattini and Cocinacus, because both of

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Speaker 1: their back ends are so average.

869
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I just I think I just want to say,

870
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 3: like a shout out to these Davis Cup and Billy

871
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: jim Kin Cup captains. I think it's easy to criticize them.

872
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: And the coaches because the coaches and captains really do

873
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: converse about the decision.

874
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 3: Yes, but I just think, yeah, exactly, well, just the

875
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 3: team beside ers, managers whatever.

876
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: I think.

877
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: I like in the Premier League they call their managers

878
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: because they are managers in a way. You know, they're

879
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: not just coaching on like, hey, this is what you

880
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 3: need to do tactically. I think just in general the

881
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: managers and I think it's easy to criticize them. But

882
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: when you're in the heat of things, emotions running high,

883
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: players coming to you complaining about ship they have, it's

884
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: the end of the season. I'm sure cooking eggs is

885
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: like my right hip hurts, and popularen is like my

886
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 3: left shoulder.

887
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: Herd and the you know, and Maclin. Yeah, but that's

888
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: what I mean.

889
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: You know, it's the end of the season and you

890
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: have to deal all of that and you make a

891
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: wrong decision or the other guys are just better, and

892
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: then the whole of Twitter and the universe.

893
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: Jumps on you. Was like, Oh, you're so dumb. Why

894
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: didn't you do X, Y and Z.

895
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: By the way, time to get onto Blue Sky. A

896
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: lot of people have mentioned it to Melky.

897
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: I will download time to get you.

898
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: On blue Sky. We're moving away from Twitter, Okay, I'm

899
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: losing followers by the day, which is great. On Twitter.

900
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: The means that bots are getting tossed and people are

901
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: leaving x and so I'm blue Sky is much more

902
00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: fun and just letting everybody know as we speak, yes,

903
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: she is literally downloading it right now because I had

904
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: a lot of people ask me to get you on there.

905
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: Okay, so just so you know, I have every single

906
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 3: social media on my phone and I use zero.

907
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I use Instagram and.

908
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: That's it because but we're going to get you on

909
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 3: I'm a basic bitch.

910
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you are. Listen something that you wrote

911
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: about in your incredible substack that I read today thank you,

912
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: which the Raffer retirement.

913
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: It was great.

914
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: I want you to talk about it a little bit,

915
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: and then I want you to give me your rougher stories,

916
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: and then I was obviously there and Marla, Yeah, I

917
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: watched him play his last match, but just I don't

918
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: know your overall thoughts on the retirement finally of Ruffi illness. Yeah,

919
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: so I was.

920
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 3: So sad and so happy, And I think what I

921
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: tried to work out in the piece is that how

922
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: hard it is to let something go, even for the grades,

923
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 3: even for Ruffer, even for Roger Arguably. Do you think

924
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 3: he wanted to have his last notch at Labor Cup

925
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: losing to Francis Tierfo.

926
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 2: No, he didn't, but you know, it's so hard to

927
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: let go.

928
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: And Boris, I know I keep bringing him up, but

929
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 3: I just saw him for a lot of times now lately,

930
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: and he said to me, it's like a drug. Tennis

931
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: is like a Daggs for him. He said, winning titles

932
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 3: is a drug. Playing on center court. You're not a

933
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: day tennis.

934
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: This is what I tell people. Being a professional athlete

935
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: is legal addiction. That's what it is. Being a professional

936
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: athlete is legally being addicted to something that is not

937
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: a drug. And it is so hard. If anyone's had

938
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: a drug problem or a drinking problem, it's really fucking

939
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: hard to give up because that high of being high

940
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: is so good, and when you low, it's like all

941
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: you want is set high again. And being an athlete

942
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: and being in tennis by it's all about the win

943
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: and the win. There's no better feeling than that feeling

944
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: of accomplishing something that you dream about. And then it's

945
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: really hard to walk away knowing you never going to

946
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: have that feeling again.

947
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, no, it's one hundred percent true.

948
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 3: And I think with Raffa, you could see when do

949
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 3: you term it an addiction? When it becomes hurtful for

950
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: your life? And you could tell that he was starting

951
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 3: to neglect his being, Like you could see that he

952
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: was unhealthy. He was injured all the time, but you

953
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 3: could see it in his face. And Raffa is not

954
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: the most relaxed person.

955
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: It's like Steffie just it's interesting because Stepfie just dropped

956
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: the mic and walked away because she was hurting. His

957
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: body was hurting, her knee was hurting, her foot was hurting,

958
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: her back was hurting. She was in love. She just

959
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: met Andrea, but they were dating, but she was it

960
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: was so she just stopped. She just walked away.

961
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think that, but she's very different to

962
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: She is a different person.

963
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: She didn't love the spotlight. She just loved playing, whereas

964
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: Raffa was. I think Ruffa is more similar to Stephie

965
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: than Roger or Novak or Andy, even the way he retired,

966
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: just the whole circumstances around. It was more about playing

967
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: at home, being with his family. There was no other

968
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: players there. It was just his teammates and it was

969
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: kind of low key and it was kind of like

970
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: for Rafa that was enough. Yeah, do you know what

971
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: I mean? For Stephie, it was like, I don't need

972
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: all that pump and so, like the first thing I

973
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: said to her and she told me she was retiring,

974
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: Like wait, what, I'm like, the US opens in like

975
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: three weeks, why don't you do it there? And she's like, nah,

976
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: I'm good.

977
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

978
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, But I think with Rafa, I think the

979
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: just coming back a little bit with the addiction. And

980
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: to another thing, I think with Rafa, why was so

981
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 3: hard for him to retire? Is And I written that

982
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 3: about that for a German newspaper and I saw some

983
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: people google translated it and became completely this combombulated what's the.

984
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: Name discombobulated, discombobulated where people he tried to say that,

985
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: well is impressive.

986
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: It was just a terrible translation. Don't Google translate German text.

987
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: The grammar is absurd, so don't do that anyway.

988
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: So what I argued.

989
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: Is Rafa is the best athlete in the history of

990
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 3: sports who was always anxious. Right, some tried to mint

991
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: it into I said, he's the best athlete in the

992
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: history of sports.

993
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: That's not what I said.

994
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 3: But he is the best athlete in the history of

995
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: sports who was always anxious.

996
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: He was always afraid.

997
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: I saw him in.

998
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 3: The fourteenth year of him winning Roland Garros. He had

999
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 3: lost there once or twice, right, two matches in one

1000
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: hundred years, and he played a lucky loser in the

1001
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: first round, and he was playing for his life. I

1002
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 3: swear to God, I ran into him. That's why I mentioned,

1003
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 3: and you asked for Rafa stories. I ran into him.

1004
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: I was going out of the gym, going to warm up,

1005
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 3: and he was warming up right in front of Philip Schatre,

1006
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 3: you know that little hallway, and he looked like he

1007
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 3: was being brought out to be beheaded by the King

1008
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 3: of Spain, Philippo or whatever.

1009
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: His name is.

1010
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: I swear to God that was this. I was like,

1011
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: this guy, Yeah, is panicked. He's terrified that he will

1012
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 3: lose to a lucky loser. And then he wants sixty

1013
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 3: one sixty six one? Do you know what I mean?

1014
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: I have a different I love that that's your thought process.

1015
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, can I just finish it? And then you go

1016
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: and then you can go all the way.

1017
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 3: And I think why the addiction, what made him addicted

1018
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 3: is he's anxious to lose and when he wins, and

1019
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: that's almost a bigger emotional reward than the triumph. It

1020
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: gave him relief. And that's why I think he was

1021
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 3: more addicted than others. You know, they like, I'm gonna lose,

1022
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna lose, I'm gonna lose.

1023
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm winning.

1024
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm winning. And Ega is the same. Yeah,

1025
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 3: I agree, one hundred percent. I think Ega is psychologically

1026
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 3: the same person as Rough And that's why she's also

1027
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: so hard to beat because she has this every point mentality,

1028
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: and I think it's.

1029
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: Why she advises him the most.

1030
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: Yes, she identifies with him, and she doesn't know why

1031
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: she thinks because he's great, but it's because they are

1032
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 3: scared when they go on core. And I don't recommend

1033
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 3: it as a way of being, but I think that's

1034
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 3: what makes them great, and I think that's what makes

1035
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 3: them more addicted to it in a way, because the

1036
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: moment of relief, oh my god, I didn't that my

1037
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 3: anxieties didn't come true. I think is stronger than the

1038
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: triumph of winning.

1039
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 1: That's interesting. That's interesting. Did I read your stubset stack

1040
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: and that's how you ended it by saying he was

1041
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: basically fear based, And I think it was a combination

1042
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: of that. I do think he was anxious, which is

1043
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: why he had that OCD like the bottles had to

1044
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: be perfectly placed and the tags had to be And

1045
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: I told you the story how at the Australian Open

1046
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: they had a sponsor water sponsor that was a Chinese

1047
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: water sponsor, but during the pandemic, they couldn't get the

1048
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: water in Oh my god. Ye, and so they had

1049
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: to buy So the company had to give money to

1050
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: Tennis Australia and so they then went out and bought

1051
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: water bottles. Oh my god, but they couldn't have the

1052
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: water bottle whatever it was, aquafina or whatever you know,

1053
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: Fiji or something. They couldn't have the sponsor of that.

1054
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: They couldn't have the the tag on the right because

1055
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: that was not the sponsor right, So they wanted the

1056
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: water bottles just to be a.

1057
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: Water bottle with nothing on.

1058
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: Ruffa was the only one that was allowed to have

1059
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 1: the tag on because he needed it to be able

1060
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: to turn it and have it the same right. So

1061
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: I think it was a combination of fear and anxiousness

1062
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: and o c DNUS. But I also think he had

1063
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: the most incredible respect for any opponent. Yeah, So I

1064
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: think that you know, even when you you know, when

1065
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: you they would ask him in press, well this guy

1066
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: you're playing, he's a lucky blah blah blah whatever. He

1067
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: would be like, yeah, you know, in his mind, he's like, yeah,

1068
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: he's a great player. I need to he respected like

1069
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: every one that played against He didn't take anything for granted.

1070
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: And that to me is a combination maybe a fear,

1071
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: but also of unbelievable humility for sure. And I just

1072
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: think he had incredible respect for the game. He never

1073
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: took anyone for granted. Yeah, and you know, and he

1074
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't even on clay, even on the court

1075
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: he'd barely lost a match on So for me, his

1076
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: it's undeniable to me that to me, he's the greatest

1077
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: fighter I've ever seen. I've never seen him tanker point

1078
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: and I've seen plenty of the top players give away

1079
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: a set, tank a game, not give a shit from

1080
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, even Roger sometimes he would, you know, get

1081
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: the ships for a game or something and you know,

1082
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: get a little bit chirpy or you know. Novak's tossed

1083
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: games left and right at times. You know, I think

1084
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: he to me, Rafa and Stephie were the same person.

1085
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 2: Interesting.

1086
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: They never quit on a point. They didn't take anything

1087
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: for granted. They respected everyone they played against. They respected

1088
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: the game, and every point was important to them, from

1089
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: first point to last point, if they were winning or

1090
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: they were losing. They never ever ever gave up on

1091
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: a point. And to me, those two were the greatest

1092
00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: I've ever seen at that for sure.

1093
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, yeah, that's a great and a guy.

1094
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: I was so bummed. I didn't bump into him and

1095
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: I went to watch the last match.

1096
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: How was that? Did you cry?

1097
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: I didn't cry, I because I was hoping to see

1098
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: him again. Because they he lost the singles and then

1099
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: Alcarez one and then what what made me the happiest?

1100
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: And if anyone follows me on Instagram, I did do

1101
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: a live from that match. And the thing I got

1102
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,959
Speaker 1: the most joy out of watching in the doubles because

1103
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: the guy has lost seven six seven six, was watching

1104
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: Rougher watching that, because I've never seen a guy more

1105
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: pumped watching another crew trying to win a match. I mean,

1106
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: he was up out of the stands. He was like

1107
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: pointing his finger for there is no doubt in the

1108
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: next two or three years he will be the captain

1109
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 1: of the Davis Carton Spain. He was yelling, shited David Farrer.

1110
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: He was calling him over, he was going up, he

1111
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: was saying stuff to him. It was like he was

1112
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: yelling at Alcaz. He was like pointing his finger. He

1113
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: was wag. It was just it was so great to watch.

1114
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: All of it was great. None of it was over

1115
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: the top, no, none of it was like inappropriate. He

1116
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: was just so into it. He fucking loves tennis. He

1117
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: loves tennis. And that's I know Roger loved tennis, but

1118
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: I think Roger loved tennis and the whole thing about

1119
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 1: his fame, and he loved the people, and he loved

1120
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: being loved. Rafa just loved to compete. I mean the

1121
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: effort that he put in in the singles match, knowing

1122
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: he played like what five matches in a year. I mean,

1123
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: he was trying so hard to the ends of the

1124
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 1: earth of that match, and he had no chance of winning.

1125
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 3: Imagine Rafa had qualified for the that would have been

1126
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 3: with like five matches.

1127
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: But it was just He's just, you know, we'll wrap

1128
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: it up on him. He has always been my favorite player,

1129
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: and I think the reason is because to watch him

1130
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: give every single thing. And then I and then we

1131
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: started seeing all the everyone started doing these compilations of

1132
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: his greatest points for his career. Oh my god, I

1133
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: forgot how fast he was, yeah, because you know he's

1134
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: gotten slower. Yeah, and that's one thing you could see.

1135
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: And his forehand was a bit short, but fucking hell.

1136
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: Some of these best points ever that wire put together

1137
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: by like Tennis TV and the ATP and all this

1138
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. Some of the shots that he ran

1139
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: down and hit. Oh my god, I'm going to miss

1140
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: him so much and I will.

1141
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 3: Have the hardest of hardest takes here. I think it

1142
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: could have been much better if he had less fear

1143
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 3: in him, because I think, because have you ever watched

1144
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 3: in practice, he plays in practice ten times the speed

1145
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: that he played in the matches, because he got so

1146
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 3: tight and everything got short, and sometimes he would you

1147
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 3: could get the glimpses. And that's why I loved the

1148
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 3: match up between Novak and Rauffa, because Raffa respected Novak.

1149
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 3: He knows he's the greatest player that he's ever And

1150
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 3: it's interesting because I talked to Tony Nadal and I

1151
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 3: asked him who do you think is the best and

1152
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: he said, I think Novak And he said the reason

1153
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 3: for that is Novak sees the ball like nobody else.

1154
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 3: He says, like Novak is the only one who can

1155
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 3: Rafa's forehand. Novak is the only one. So he took

1156
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 3: He gave an example. He said, the first few times

1157
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 3: when Rafa played Novak, Novak tried to take the forehand

1158
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 3: Rafa's forehand on the rise with his back end, and

1159
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 3: he like mistimed it a few times and was late

1160
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 3: on it. And then in the third match he had

1161
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 3: perfect timing every time on that back end. And he

1162
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 3: said he had the best eyes and I think sometimes

1163
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 3: you caught glimpses of what Rafa.

1164
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: That Rafa was able to play.

1165
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 3: Even better, which is crazy because they when Novak, they all, yes,

1166
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: it's all improved so much.

1167
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I had to they had to.

1168
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the.

1169
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: Difference between great and very good. This is a very

1170
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: good try and get better at their weaknesses, but they

1171
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: kind of like still there. Like you know, Zverev's forehand,

1172
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: for example, is if he can make that more solid

1173
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: under pressure, under pressure, because he still hits it great,

1174
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: but it's always under pressure. Get to a tiebreak three

1175
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: old bang bottom of the net twenty feet out, you're like, fack,

1176
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: this guy can't. You've got to be able to do

1177
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: that under pressure. And those guys, because under pressure all

1178
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: the time, just get better and better at their weaknesses.

1179
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Raffa improved Roger's backhand.

1180
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 2: Because he had to.

1181
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: He had to step in and hit his back end better,

1182
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: and he did. You know, Novak's forehand was not good

1183
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: when he was young. It was all over the place.

1184
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 1: His serve was terrible. Never misses a forehand. Now arguably

1185
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: his foehand's better than his back end, you know, And

1186
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: it's happened it's all the things, and I don't know

1187
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: I could talk about Rafa.

1188
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 3: Sorry how much we are talking for Yeah, we're pretty good.

1189
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 3: We haven't seen each other for so long.

1190
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know we've got a lot

1191
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: to h to rant on about. But I do want

1192
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: to throw out a big thanks to a beautiful resort

1193
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: in Spain in Malaga. Before I went to Malaga, I

1194
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: went to Marbaya and I went to the Punta Ramano resort.

1195
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: Have you been no? Oh? God? Apparently Stephie used to

1196
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: go here a lot. I didn't know that. Somebody told

1197
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 1: me that.

1198
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 2: Oh, I told you that it's closed. Did you go

1199
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: to my Mabaya?

1200
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 3: That's where she was in but she was the German coach,

1201
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 3: and klaushofsays, who has a place a police.

1202
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 1: Well, Novak apparently has a house in Mabay and practices

1203
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: at this Punta Romano. Gabyin Ya Mugarutha used to hit

1204
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: there and then also Parla Badosa still practices there. So

1205
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful club. It's like at least twelve clay courts.

1206
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: There's a couple of padel courts and two hard courts,

1207
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: and apparently a lot of players Dan Evans. They go

1208
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: there and they hit on that hard court prior to

1209
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: going to the Straight Open. But I just want to

1210
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 1: throw out a big thank you to the Punta Ramano

1211
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: Resort because they gave me a couple of nights there

1212
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: and it was great. I loved it before I went

1213
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: out to Malaga. Marlaga is a beautiful city. Fed Cup

1214
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: will not be back there, but Billy Jin King, I can't. Sorry,

1215
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say fed Cup, but you were in it

1216
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: for I was in a for twenty something years. But

1217
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: the Billy Jean King Cup was great. Billy Jane was

1218
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: over there. She just turned eighty one. Billy, I know

1219
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: Billy and Lana listened to the podcast and I just

1220
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: want to Billy Jane eighty one. It's going strong.

1221
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: I just want to.

1222
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: Than any of us.

1223
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 3: I know she has more energy than any Like when

1224
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 3: I wake up in the morning, I think, like, what

1225
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 3: would Billy Jin King? But I want to say one thing.

1226
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 3: I didn't know she listened, but if she listens here.

1227
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: I wrote my second book. It's called Time to Get

1228
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 3: Out of Here. I just roughly translated it. It's about

1229
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 3: my last year in tennis.

1230
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 2: And in my.

1231
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 3: Thank you notes, I thank three people or three person

1232
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: let's say, and it's Billy Jan King, it's David Foster

1233
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 3: Wallace and my family.

1234
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: Damn it.

1235
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: I didn't make that, and I wanted so.

1236
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 3: In my first book, I thanked everyone that it was

1237
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 3: very personally important to me. But in the second book,

1238
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 3: I wanted to think, like figures that are bigger than me,

1239
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 3: and that I have to be thankful for life choices

1240
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 3: I made, and Billy Jan King was one because if

1241
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 3: she hadn't been there in women's tennis, there wouldn't have

1242
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 3: been a career that I could mourn, because the whole

1243
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 3: book is about mourning an identity, a career, something that

1244
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 3: gave me agency in life, that gave me independ conduit.

1245
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: For your life.

1246
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 3: Sorry, yes, was your conduct, I wouldn't I Nothing in

1247
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 3: my life would have been possible in the way it

1248
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 3: was because I played tennis and I wasn't a Grand

1249
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 3: Slam champion. I wasn't that great, but I was good.

1250
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 3: And that's why I thank Billy Jan King because without

1251
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 3: her I wouldn't even have a career to mourn, and

1252
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 3: so I just wanted to say that she's in my thinking.

1253
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because The last part that I put

1254
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: out was Billy, Jane and Alana, and she said that

1255
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: she feels like well, actually, her publicist Tip said, he

1256
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like tennis plays take the tennis with them anymore,

1257
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: like the history of the tennis with them anymore. Right,

1258
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: So then they go to China or they go to

1259
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: Riot and they take all this money. They don't take

1260
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: the history of tennis, they don't take the history of

1261
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: what women fought for with them anymore. They just go

1262
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: collect the check and get out of there. I think Cocoa,

1263
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: for someone of her age, understands it really well. I

1264
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: think she's very aware. I think it's of course being

1265
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: of a person of color as well. I think she

1266
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: understands very much the fight for quality, the fight for women,

1267
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: clearly to fight for black and brown and people of

1268
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: color of this country.

1269
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 3: Well, what I will say so much black women were

1270
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 3: the only ones who didn't let us down here.

1271
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would drop a mic, but I can't drop

1272
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: this one because it's too expensive. But you are correct,

1273
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: let's not even get into that. But yeah, so I

1274
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: think that you know her saying what she said, and

1275
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: you saying just what you said. There, Hopefully there are

1276
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: still people that are playing on tour that think, like you,

1277
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: understand the history of tennis.

1278
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 3: And hopefully they're better tennis players than I was, because

1279
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 3: well it translates, Yeah, you know it is in the

1280
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 3: and the end. Tennis is about results and what you win.

1281
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 3: And if Coco wins more, Cocoa will have a bigger voice,

1282
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: and her voice is very important to say.

1283
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: And one of the things Billy said was that she

1284
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: was so well not Billy, she wasn't in Saudi Arabia,

1285
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: but a lot of people said that a lot of

1286
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: young girls really gravitated towards Coco.

1287
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 3: Yes, she had the biggest fans, so I called them,

1288
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 3: and she definitely had the biggest fan base.

1289
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: I actually wrote it in myself.

1290
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 3: There was like, ah, people somehow really warm to Coco,

1291
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 3: and I think they feel that she stands for something

1292
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 3: more than just well she does.

1293
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: Because she does, and she's proven it with her own words. Anyway,

1294
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: we could talk for hours, We're not going to because

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Speaker 1: we're gonna cut this one short now, and we are

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Speaker 1: we're going to cut this one off now. But what

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Speaker 1: I will say is we will talk about what we

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Speaker 1: think about what's going to happen next year, what's gonna

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Speaker 1: happen in Australia and all that next week, because we

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Speaker 1: don't want to jump the gun there, because we could

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Speaker 1: stand here and talk for hours well, and Kaitlin will

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Speaker 1: be with us, and Caitlyn will be and we will

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Speaker 1: talk all about what we feel like is going to

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Speaker 1: happen next year, what to look for, what you and

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Speaker 1: I are up to. I want to talk about your

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Speaker 1: book and how that's been going. You've been publicizing that,

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Speaker 1: which is why you've been away from me so long.

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Speaker 3: I know, I'm so sorry, but now I'm here, I'm

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Speaker 3: glad and read my substick finite Jesz.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's honestly, it was really good. I read it

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Speaker 1: every single week this week. I wanted to read it

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Speaker 1: because I knew you coming on and I loved your

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Speaker 1: take on Raffa. And you've got a lot of great publicity,

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Speaker 1: great responses. People were like, oh, I've read a lot

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Speaker 1: on it, but no one said how you put it?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's so many things have been written and said

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Speaker 3: about him. Of course, he's one of the greatest tennis

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Speaker 3: players we've ever had.

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to have.

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Speaker 3: Something and that's why I think I think maybe Rafa

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Speaker 3: fans won't like it, although a lot of did, but

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Speaker 3: just because I wanted to also work out why it

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Speaker 3: was so hard for him to like go, you know,

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Speaker 3: because it's easy to It's addiction.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an addiction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And we love our sport. We loved and we love to.

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Speaker 2: And Rafa fucking loves tennis and that's one thing you.

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Speaker 1: Can I think you myself included Rafa. We loved the

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Speaker 1: competition as well, and there was there's nothing like winning

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Speaker 1: a tennis match and putting yourself on the line. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna finish it now by saying, Rafa, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for everything you gave to this sport, for

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Speaker 1: inspiring so many young people to come along and play

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Speaker 1: this sport with the heart and the respect and the

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Speaker 1: class that you did. You were a special, special tennis

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Speaker 1: player and we are going to fucking mess you, my friend. Okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: thanks for listening to us this week.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back next week with.

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Speaker 1: More Shenanigans here from the podcast. Appreciate you, bye too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah,