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Speaker 3: here on a very cold day here or Texas be
Speaker 3: like we are Barry's hometown.
Speaker 2: Golden the mother man not ready for all this, but
Speaker 2: the parts.
Speaker 3: I find all the free stuff I didn't have through
Speaker 3: the years and put it on.
Speaker 4: What you got, you got like four different schools. Man
Speaker 4: knows no just three three loyal He knows no bounce
Speaker 4: the loyalty knows freet braids up Topma May Pembroke, got
Speaker 4: fable state on the bottom.
Speaker 3: You my sister, My dad went to They got got
Speaker 3: an A and M baseball coach from a man Jeff
Speaker 3: Slas Nagga before he left for Texas.
Speaker 2: He has on A and M jacket right now.
Speaker 3: So I got outs last who got I need some
Speaker 3: new Texas to so over there so and and then
Speaker 3: then I got a little TCU baseball.
Speaker 2: Sure my boy.
Speaker 3: Hey man, it's free and it's cold, so you layer up.
Speaker 3: That is the key to this well, one thing I
Speaker 3: learned living in Cleveland. The key just is uh layering up.
Speaker 3: So cowboys just to coaches came by this week here
Speaker 3: it starts. We got to talk a little everybody. Maddy
Speaker 3: Flues was the guyybody wanted to everybody wanted a piece.
Speaker 2: Of flu smll. He's that guy. Here's that god.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, defensively, defensively, come on, let us get
Speaker 3: through it.
Speaker 2: Tried to get through trying to sell us on Mazsi
Speaker 2: Smith did it? No whit?
Speaker 3: Whoa tell me more? Coaches is trying to sell us
Speaker 3: on mar Come on.
Speaker 4: So what's what's the new scheme for young Mazie. What
Speaker 4: are they gonna do different that hadn't been done? No, no, no,
Speaker 4: no no no no no where no We're no where.
Speaker 4: We're going somewhere. We're going somewhere, stay with somewhere. What
Speaker 4: you got explained to the people. Don't know what what
Speaker 4: could have could era fluse? What could the plan be
Speaker 4: for young young Maazi?
Speaker 3: Oh that them boys and got some Hopio nah boys
Speaker 3: and got some hope, A fresh batch ol fresh batch.
Speaker 5: Shot, passed it all out. Pas came down with some opio.
Speaker 5: The whole crew all the time. If I came in
Speaker 5: with the hopeing, woe, Jerry with the work got shot.
Speaker 5: Everybody everybody got that hopeing.
Speaker 3: And so so they're they're hoping for good things for
Speaker 3: Mossie Smith.
Speaker 2: They're hoping anything they can they can get something out
Speaker 2: of out of Mossie.
Speaker 3: So I will say this, in my opinion, this is
Speaker 3: the right thing to do and come out and say
Speaker 3: everything needs to be one positive right now, Everything needs
Speaker 3: to be positive. Like hey man, players are in the
Speaker 3: building right now. There it's their time where they get
Speaker 3: to be, be where they're gonna be. We talk to
Speaker 3: guys on the phone. They're looking at tapes, point of attack,
Speaker 3: you know. With the linebacker coach, I look at point
Speaker 3: of attack. But he wants to work with the guys.
Speaker 3: So I asked, even if you got what you need,
Speaker 3: does the carpenter have his tools?
Speaker 2: That's where he's going. I danced around.
Speaker 3: Everybody would dancing everybody, nobody, nobody, Hey, look, nobody was
Speaker 3: trying to commit to nothing to nobody, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 3: but they they they they're trying to talk to you
Speaker 3: like Mozzie's got something. You know they got going Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I mean barring an inspirational speech from.
Speaker 2: Your uncle Joe Green. I don't I don't know what
Speaker 2: they're gonna do.
Speaker 3: But but hey, once again, in defense of the coaches,
Speaker 3: this is what you should be saying. Don't come out
Speaker 3: making any declarate like your boy Rob Ryan when he
Speaker 3: come in here, saying all this little tough, tough crazy
Speaker 3: stuff like you know, y'all. In some ways it was
Speaker 3: gonna let it play out. But they got good things
Speaker 3: to say about people.
Speaker 2: Louck. I am not one of those ready to just
Speaker 2: discount and throw Mazzi away. I'm not not.
Speaker 3: He's the first round pick. He's going to be here,
Speaker 3: year three, he's going to be here. And it's another system,
Speaker 3: but it's number three, lady. But Mazi needs help, and
Speaker 3: friends and other people throw bodies at the position. If
Speaker 3: you want to help. Mattyberfluse to me, heck Mayrison, Barry
Speaker 3: Church and he scruts players line in fighte you by
Speaker 3: subscrict game. You need bodies thrown at that position. The
Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles showed you that when they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: Get you get your best out of your defensive line,
Speaker 6: and all the defensive lines I've played with, you had
Speaker 6: a healthy rotation. You had a couple of guys that
Speaker 6: are past rush specialists that'll come in there third down
Speaker 6: we call NASCAR packages. Then you have guys that they're
Speaker 6: special Their special ability is to hold down the four.
Speaker 6: They can handle double teams, make sure nobody gets to
Speaker 6: that second level, and you rotate those pieces going throughout
Speaker 6: the season. You get the most out of the office
Speaker 6: or defensive line. Now, when it comes to Mazzie Stiff,
Speaker 6: I like the positivity.
Speaker 3: I like, you know, feeding your players positivity, getting their
Speaker 3: confidence in the right direction going into this offseason. And
Speaker 3: he has played better, you know than when he first
Speaker 3: started out. You know, he was getting tossed out the
Speaker 3: club from that Seattle game to you know, these past
Speaker 3: couple of games this season, he's playing I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: say he's playing elite, but he's been playing better. So
Speaker 3: to me, you can get you can get some more
Speaker 3: out of Mizzi Smith, and I believe ebra Blouse is
Speaker 3: the type of guy that can get the most out
Speaker 3: of Mozzi Smith out there.
Speaker 6: But when you talk about you need friends in there
Speaker 6: as well. You can't just put it all on him.
Speaker 6: He can't be that guy. That's like, all right, Masi,
Speaker 6: it's up to you and the crew to get things done.
Speaker 3: Now, you gotta have somebody that can go along with them,
Speaker 3: play those stunts with him, and that's how I think
Speaker 3: you get the most out of a Mizzi Smith, And
Speaker 3: hopefully that's where this defense goes into the offseason.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to bring back a guy
Speaker 2: like a The Geezooo.
Speaker 6: I think he might, you know, price his way out
Speaker 6: and he get a bear contract somewhere else. But you
Speaker 6: need somebody with that type of skill set to match
Speaker 6: next to Mizsi Smith, in my opinion, to get the
Speaker 6: most out of them. You just can't put it all
Speaker 6: on him and say, Mazsi hold down the four and
Speaker 6: make sure nobody goes up this middle, because we've seen
Speaker 6: when that's the case, this team gets gashed.
Speaker 4: Like, let's just be honest, okay, And we've dealt with
Speaker 4: this being this going into our third season, and what
Speaker 4: you said about this scheme, the third scheme for him,
Speaker 4: they're gonna be built in excuses for Mazie. But the
Speaker 4: truth is, and as you know, Bear's gonna come down
Speaker 4: to where you were drafted, and if you're a first
Speaker 4: round draft pick, the responsibility and the onus is going
Speaker 4: to be ratcheted up times tense.
Speaker 2: He hasn't lived up to that, And.
Speaker 4: I mean, and so playing better is just playing decent
Speaker 4: and that doesn't fit the first round grade that you have, right,
Speaker 4: and so that's unacceptable. And we've had defensive court say, okay,
Speaker 4: he's not a two gap guy, so we can't use him.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be a penetrate Nascar guy. Okay, he doesn't
Speaker 4: fit that either. And so we've seen the different combinations
Speaker 4: of the way that they want to use him, and
Speaker 4: it hasn't been effective whatsoever. It to me is an
Speaker 4: attitude adjustment that has to happen. And maybe outside of
Speaker 4: a speech from Joe Green, you know, outside of you know,
Speaker 4: injecting some new blood in him, outside of bringing in
Speaker 4: players that get those competitive fires and juices going for Mazzie,
Speaker 4: I don't see it being anything different. I mean, and
Speaker 4: I understand for a coach eber Flus, he can't come
Speaker 4: out and say, oh man, we're looking for ways to
Speaker 4: get rid. You know, he can't do that. He has
Speaker 4: to go who he has. But truthfully, if he's looking
Speaker 4: at last year's tape like I'm looking at last year's tape,
Speaker 4: he said, oh my god, we got a problem, okay,
Speaker 4: and we have to find a way even rotationally, to
Speaker 4: get in guys that at least can get Mazi's attention.
Speaker 4: Because even when you bought in a Linvall Joseph, he
Speaker 4: wasn't even in enough shape to push for the star position.
Speaker 4: He wasn't either, So you bought in guys like Carlos
Speaker 4: Watkins that came in later that gave you some some
Speaker 4: pushing and filled in minutes. But still these are seedless
Speaker 4: guys at this point in time in their careers, and
Speaker 4: you can't be expecting to play an A list guy
Speaker 4: and Mozzie Smith and allow him to fail continuously because
Speaker 4: of where you're drafted him. And that's what we've been
Speaker 4: living and dying with on Sundays with him.
Speaker 3: So I think for Cowboy fans, it's time to just
Speaker 3: make sure this will not be Warren Sap, because Maddie
Speaker 3: reflues who loves a three technique. This is not This
Speaker 3: ain't war Sapped, This won't be Joe Green, this won't
Speaker 3: be John Ramley. He's not that guy. He will not
Speaker 3: be Russell Maryland. That's not what Mosie Smith is going
Speaker 3: to be. He's going to be a part of the group,
Speaker 3: as you talked about it here, part of a rotation.
Speaker 2: You know, if he's thinking of Jackson five, he's Tito.
Speaker 4: It had guitars, smile, somebody else got hes got to
Speaker 4: be Jane.
Speaker 2: He just gonna be Keito.
Speaker 3: And if he's Tito a part of a rotation that works,
Speaker 3: and yeah, he had a first round grade and he
Speaker 3: could just make some contributions, then that's.
Speaker 2: What you should realistically expect.
Speaker 3: But don't look for him to be the next Pro
Speaker 3: Bowl player that that Will Smith draft. I mean Will Will,
Speaker 3: but Clay drafted and that's that's okay. I can live
Speaker 3: with that. Can you just be a contributor on Sundays,
Speaker 3: a part of a bigger rotation that works. He will
Speaker 3: not be Jalen Carter.
Speaker 2: Of the Eagles. Okay, that's all right. Can you be
Speaker 2: a junior Vince Wilford? Maybe that could help.
Speaker 3: That could help, But but I just think it's it's
Speaker 3: time to just say, hey, man, in the third system,
Speaker 3: maybe everybody goes, look, man, you go down the list.
Speaker 3: I tell your body, go go go back and look
Speaker 3: at any draft class from four years ago. Half these
Speaker 3: dudes don't make it. Half of them, A good quarter.
Speaker 7: Of them do.
Speaker 2: But it's just that way. And when you get he
Speaker 2: can still be a contributory. That's my thing. He can
Speaker 2: still be a contributory here.
Speaker 4: I just feel like when you get it wrong in
Speaker 4: the first round, because those guys are the ones that
Speaker 4: you are saying off the bus guys they have to
Speaker 4: they have to.
Speaker 2: They have to play because of the way that they're paid.
Speaker 4: And when you the last two years, you've reached on picks,
Speaker 4: and those picks have cost you production wise. If you
Speaker 4: look around the other thirty one teams, their first rounders
Speaker 4: are typically day one guys. They're playing, they're producing, whether
Speaker 4: you know. If they're not, that's when you start to
Speaker 4: get the whispers of bus guy's not working out, we're
Speaker 4: looking at other places.
Speaker 2: And especially when you get to the third year.
Speaker 4: After this year, there's gonna be no more discussion, y'all know,
Speaker 4: come on now, that's fine, this is it, This is
Speaker 4: it okay. And if you can't and if you're saying
Speaker 4: you're tito, if Tito fifth round. Tito's a sixth round guy,
Speaker 4: all right, Tito ain't.
Speaker 2: The first round guy. It is. We're living we're living
Speaker 2: in it right now. Yes, sir.
Speaker 3: A guy you covered in high school who's a really
Speaker 3: good player, Solomon Thomas. I was just having a conversation
Speaker 3: with something about Tolomon Thomas the other day and it's like,
Speaker 3: you know what, man, you remember Solomon Thomas coming out
Speaker 3: of all American players. Stanford was number two three pick
Speaker 3: in the draft. Never that guy. He's still in the league,
Speaker 3: played with the Jets last year. Still he's a good player.
Speaker 3: He's Tito, part of rotation. It can happen.
Speaker 4: But he found he found a niche he found what
Speaker 4: it was that was going to keep him in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Have we found that? Has Mazzi found that? Is he
Speaker 4: that run stuffer? Is he the guy that presents pressure
Speaker 4: in the passing game? Which one is it? Because I
Speaker 4: didn't found that yet. I love I love that you
Speaker 4: asked a question. This is the job of this coaching staff.
Speaker 4: Figure it out.
Speaker 6: And when you look at Flus's defenses, even when he
Speaker 6: was here in Dallas to Indianapolis to Chicago, his defense,
Speaker 6: especially the fronts, have always been big movement fronts like
Speaker 6: gash and penetration. We're gonna run stunts to where that
Speaker 6: defensive tackle got to cross the face and.
Speaker 2: A linebacker scrape over top of them.
Speaker 3: Do we think that's in Mozzie's game to be able
Speaker 3: to cross gaps and go from my responsibilities to.
Speaker 2: B gap and two gaps?
Speaker 8: You.
Speaker 2: I don't believe. So nothing. And that's the thing that
Speaker 2: kind of worries me. I don't believe.
Speaker 3: He's the he's that type of player where he can
Speaker 3: do a lot of movement and a lot of penetration.
Speaker 3: I think he's better suited as a guy that's let
Speaker 3: me hunker down, make sure these guys don't get to
Speaker 3: the second level and use my strength and if the
Speaker 3: play comes to me, I can make it. But I
Speaker 3: don't think he's a guy that, okay, let me two
Speaker 3: gap here, ab oh, he went to a gap, let
Speaker 3: me shit and make the play.
Speaker 6: I don't see that because when we talked about Afflusi's defense,
Speaker 6: he comes from a marinelly tree.
Speaker 3: So it's always about loafing running to the football eleven guys.
Speaker 3: It's not just one guy. Do we see Mizzie Smith
Speaker 3: is being that hustler, that guy that you penetrates rundown
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 2: I don't see that.
Speaker 3: And so therefore, if that is the case, free agency. Okay,
Speaker 3: salary caps going on, I could be wrong. Move up
Speaker 3: twenty two minimum twenty two million dollars. So hello free agency.
Speaker 2: But you just asked, you just asked the question.
Speaker 4: You just we're talking about osa Osa Diggi ju and
Speaker 4: and look his Here's what I think would would have
Speaker 4: made the eyes on on Mazi a little bit different
Speaker 4: if if you had a guy that was getting that production,
Speaker 4: a guy that was tops in the league at the
Speaker 4: three that he's.
Speaker 2: A hustlers, hustler.
Speaker 4: But but at this point, you know, has he priced
Speaker 4: himself out when we start talking about what we look
Speaker 4: at for him? And in ibra Flus's defense, because these
Speaker 4: two guys are going to play off of each other,
Speaker 4: and I think even at one A and one B,
Speaker 4: I don't have one one guy between both of them
Speaker 4: that I can say I can't I can't do it
Speaker 4: out either.
Speaker 2: I can't do it out either one of them.
Speaker 4: This is our scheme is going to be generated around
Speaker 4: him as a player.
Speaker 2: And I mean we got we got prooved throughout the league.
Speaker 4: We got guys like Chris Jones, we got the first Buckner's,
Speaker 4: we got come on out. We got guys in the
Speaker 4: league that we can look at them that are making
Speaker 4: that kind of money, that are having that kind of
Speaker 4: impact that we don't have here.
Speaker 2: So you just said it, then he's not. We just
Speaker 2: said one. Neither one, neither one. Neither one, neither one.
Speaker 3: Right from listen listening to what you just said, breaking
Speaker 3: it down, Heck, Maharson, neither were Diggie zooa Amasi Smith
Speaker 3: or Worth you saying hey man, let's get you a
Speaker 3: long term deal, and we think you're going to be
Speaker 3: the piece, and that's.
Speaker 2: Get I correct, Yeah for sure. Okay, so because I.
Speaker 3: Think the Chrispian what was it twenty four mili for
Speaker 3: a defensive tackle franchise tag, so it's going to.
Speaker 2: Be twenty plus so and.
Speaker 3: When you do so, when you do the franchise tag,
Speaker 3: that money counts. That that you know right there counts.
Speaker 3: Whereas if you signed an Osa Diggi zero to a
Speaker 3: longer term, you can take the money down real lod
Speaker 3: in year one, spread it out. So you franchise a guy,
Speaker 3: you better be really real sure because that money's gonna
Speaker 3: get tied up. So either you want to do a
Speaker 3: long term deal with Osa most likely going to Leton,
Speaker 3: go yeah, and you don't have a contract right now
Speaker 3: for Michael Parsons that's in place. So there are guys
Speaker 3: that you use the tag on, okay, because it gives you.
Speaker 3: It gives you time and leeway to sign an extension.
Speaker 3: And then there are guys that you just don't waste
Speaker 3: your time on giving the tag.
Speaker 4: We gave the was it Pollard a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: He hurried up to get here to sign it in
Speaker 4: the paper. Let me sign it in right if you tag?
Speaker 4: If you tag Osa, Osa will wherever he's vacationing right
Speaker 4: now now Harry back to sign the tag.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean I'm looking at the tag on another Cincinnati
Speaker 4: with t Higgins right now. I mean it's one of
Speaker 4: those situations you're like, man, that's that's cold blooded for Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: The tag a guy that's already been showing you has
Speaker 4: the time, proof of consistency that you want in a player,
Speaker 4: and you're gonna tag him again and not allow him
Speaker 4: to go out there and get the big money. I'm
Speaker 4: just I'm tired of reaching on players. Basically, I'm tired
Speaker 4: of the tagger. It's just for tax sake. If there
Speaker 4: ain't nobody out there to tag keep get tagged, then.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's no tag for a Diggie Zoo.
Speaker 3: No, I would yeam with that. Yeah, I'll spreading that
Speaker 3: money out. So therein lies the next step to me,
Speaker 3: it's free agency. If you are at this point in time,
Speaker 3: you've made the hire of a head coach that the
Speaker 3: fan base to not get excited about. Okay, this is
Speaker 3: not where the Chargers hired Jim Harbaugh, and.
Speaker 2: Folks out there are like, okay, okay, super Bowl coach.
Speaker 3: It's the first time head coach and people were like,
Speaker 3: well he was already here in the building with So
Speaker 3: if you're going to help him, Brian Schottenheimer and Maddie
Speaker 3: Refleuch your defense GC, and you wanted to get your
Speaker 3: fans excited, you need to go to the market and
Speaker 3: bring people in. Yeah, you need you need to You
Speaker 3: need to say, look, we're serious and this is what
Speaker 3: we're trying to do to help our staff. Stop trying
Speaker 3: to duct tape it. Stop going over here to the
Speaker 3: discount stores and the bargain being and seeing what's on clearance?
Speaker 2: Go out here free agency first week and go go
Speaker 2: sign something.
Speaker 6: If what was the last time the boys made a
Speaker 6: big time.
Speaker 9: The car, big car? If that, if that's the last
Speaker 9: like I can think of, like Hooker and he came Thursday.
Speaker 9: I'm just locking load.
Speaker 4: I'm reaching to forgive me saying it is not there.
Speaker 4: It is not there, and I don't I don't want
Speaker 4: to lie to myself again to think that they are.
Speaker 4: And when you say, you know free agency starts, you
Speaker 4: can't go to the bargain the tag says you don't
Speaker 4: have any other choice but to go bargain shopping. We're
Speaker 4: setting We've set ourselves up for another year where the
Speaker 4: draft is imperative. We can't miss we can't miss on
Speaker 4: the first round again. We can't bring in another guy
Speaker 4: that's not going to give us a production. We can't
Speaker 4: miss on the second round. Got our third and by
Speaker 4: the way, we don't have a forward.
Speaker 8: But you got Bingo. You know what, you know what
Speaker 8: it's like their version of t Higgins.
Speaker 2: Friend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, let's get it.
Speaker 2: We got to figure this camp out. Man's let's get it. Kid.
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Speaker 3: in the neighborhood had a little plow up front, and
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Speaker 3: But no, this is it's she's you know, it's worse
Speaker 3: up there. But still it's a choice like I made
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Speaker 2: So especially when it's colder and there ain't like stuff
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Speaker 3: to do, but what it is cold enough snowboarding with
Speaker 3: the kids?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, stuff to do.
Speaker 4: Man be cold and cold Manhattan, Kansas, ain't nothing to do.
Speaker 4: Ain't then some brisket or something out there. Ain't ain't
Speaker 4: no brisket out there right down and tried it they did.
Speaker 4: I thought you said, bro Let me tell you.
Speaker 2: I told my child.
Speaker 3: From now on, me and Papa John's that's all we're
Speaker 3: going to your town tidies restaurants. They telling me it's
Speaker 3: really good, ain't Papa John can messed that up?
Speaker 2: Bring your own season, and you know the best.
Speaker 3: Food that have is the food I could buy that
Speaker 3: little call hall that I can take on. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: they got their ground, because they got their own cows,
Speaker 3: so they their their ground beef. They were all taking
Speaker 3: home with you and cook it up. But in town
Speaker 3: nothing restaurants. She ain't gained no freshman fifteen.
Speaker 4: Listen the ladies they have on the other side, on
Speaker 4: the athletic side, they got all the obay.
Speaker 2: They got all the obey.
Speaker 4: On the other side on that they got old bay
Speaker 4: over crabbed limbs and steak over there, man, Michael Jordan,
Speaker 4: picture them kids.
Speaker 2: Everybody's sick over there. Y'all enjoy y'all food. That's that
Speaker 2: real quick.
Speaker 3: Actually, that's that's how much what it is in all
Speaker 3: these campuses.
Speaker 2: Yes, damn yeah no, if you athlete, boy, that beating good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, you told me that TC was talking to your
Speaker 3: son over there. Heard they had crab limbs over there too. Man,
Speaker 3: come on, they tonny let me eat. One day after steak,
Speaker 3: I was like, who's transferring from here?
Speaker 2: Play State?
Speaker 3: Be sitting at me, coach be kicking me. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think i'mna play that seventh year coach. I'm applied.
Speaker 4: And they were selling all those brothers from the hood.
Speaker 4: Look y'all eating.
Speaker 2: Who must take.
Speaker 4: Way too mistake because anybody ever hast we'll bring it back.
Speaker 4: We're putting all different talking about Man, you don't have
Speaker 4: to take that to your room. You can always come
Speaker 4: back against. I said, I'm gonna do that too. I'm
Speaker 4: leaving with something, leaving with.
Speaker 2: Cowboy.
Speaker 3: Assistant coaches met with the media this week and uh
Speaker 3: and then it's being the case. The form offensive line
Speaker 3: coach of Wildcats is now down here said they plan
Speaker 3: to be a physical offensive line. Clayton Adams is the
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator former offensive lind head coach over the Arizona
Speaker 3: They are they are talking about preaching being a physical
Speaker 3: football team up front. They are going to be committed
Speaker 3: to running the ball. I know it's what it sounds like,
Speaker 3: but you know what, Church, it was something we never
Speaker 3: heard or saw Mike McCarthy do this commitment to run
Speaker 3: the football. Let's be physical upfront. They realize this is
Speaker 3: division right now. You better control the line. If you
Speaker 3: don't control the line against Philadelphia and Washington, you're in trouble.
Speaker 3: You got to win this division. If you forget trying
Speaker 3: to talk Super Bowl you how do you win this division?
Speaker 13: Now?
Speaker 3: With these two teams here, and we know what these
Speaker 3: two teams are doing. They're trying to play in the trenches,
Speaker 3: and the Cowboys have to meet the challenge.
Speaker 2: So when I heard that, at least to me, that
Speaker 2: was a good idea. I know it's what you're saying
Speaker 2: right now, you need to see actions, But at least
Speaker 2: I like what they're saying.
Speaker 3: And they're saying this is coming from Schottenheimer, and they're
Speaker 3: all buying into it. They all got the hopium shot.
Speaker 3: Everybody out here drinking the kool aid and they saying it,
Speaker 3: and doogg on it. If you're a Cowboy fan to be,
Speaker 3: that's that's good. Now we're talking about the tools. I
Speaker 3: don't know about the tools right now. They had to
Speaker 3: ford a run game all on the offensive line. But
Speaker 3: at least you're talking about now, go go hey, Will
Speaker 3: McLay free once again, friend, let's go fill it. Let's
Speaker 3: go fill out. But at least you have a vision.
Speaker 3: Starts with a vision. Okay, at least we have a vision.
Speaker 3: We want to be physical. Okay, we want to we
Speaker 3: want to win the trenches. Now how do you do it?
Speaker 3: That's the next thing. But at least you have the
Speaker 3: vision of what it is you want to be man.
Speaker 3: All these all these guys are saying the right things.
Speaker 3: You see Flues talking about we getting Masie right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know you got coming down from shot night. When
Speaker 3: we're going to run the football. We're going to be
Speaker 3: a physical team. And we saw teams Cowboys teams in
Speaker 3: the past when they're physical. You know, that's the best
Speaker 3: teams that you have.
Speaker 6: But we've heard the same thing from mister Mike McCarthy
Speaker 6: when he was talking about we're gonna run the football,
Speaker 6: and we did the exact opposite thing.
Speaker 2: So I hear a lot like you said words. You know,
Speaker 2: they can play a little bit here.
Speaker 3: I gotta see these actions because when you look into
Speaker 3: this division, the Eagles front seven offensively and.
Speaker 2: Defensively outstage is good. Team is bad.
Speaker 3: They killing people, They killing Washington. You still got the
Speaker 3: Bama boys up there.
Speaker 2: DQ.
Speaker 3: He's gonna reload, Yeah, killing Dady killing people. Gotta find
Speaker 3: a way to be physical. But for me, we hear
Speaker 3: this physical talk all the time. I just don't think
Speaker 3: this team will be patient enough to ride the run.
Speaker 3: But you at least have to recognize it. You do,
Speaker 3: you know, and at the first until you got it
Speaker 3: that you got a problem, right before you had what
Speaker 3: was you do?
Speaker 2: Twelve step? Think got first thing that you got a problem.
Speaker 6: But yeah, you got a sixty million dollar quarterback and
Speaker 6: you gotta what thirty five thirty eight million dollar wide receiver.
Speaker 2: I don't think this team is gonna be patient enough
Speaker 2: to sit there.
Speaker 6: Let's run, run, run, and you know, play action here
Speaker 6: and there. I don't see this team being that. How okay,
Speaker 6: how do you help that sixty million dollars? Oh that's
Speaker 6: an I'm with you one hundred percent. You run the football,
Speaker 6: I'm with you one hundred percent. Because the last coach
Speaker 6: wasn't really trying to do that. At least this coach
Speaker 6: recognizes and at least he says he does. Yeah, well,
Speaker 6: but what is Shoddy's history been?
Speaker 2: He's done that?
Speaker 3: I mean so, so at least I know I'm not
Speaker 3: lying to me. He's at least done it. He's at
Speaker 3: least admitted he wanted to do it. You know, you
Speaker 3: talk to guy like lt wearing the ball, so you
Speaker 3: could be committed to it, you know, when it's happening,
Speaker 3: when it's ten carries for twenty one yards, will will
Speaker 3: you be committed to it?
Speaker 2: But that was Mike though Mike was Mike was always
Speaker 2: that way. Yeah, I'm going to the past. Will you
Speaker 2: go back to it? Like? Man, it's run ain't working,
Speaker 2: it's on you four. I don't know, so.
Speaker 4: I am, I am, I'm look, here's at that. I
Speaker 4: don't that sounds like bulljob to me. Okay, let's just
Speaker 4: let's just call it right and if we're gonna know
Speaker 4: what okay, because here we here's the deal. We we
Speaker 4: we arrived back to this. We'll ride back to the
Speaker 4: same place each and every year. What we're telling ourselves
Speaker 4: we got to be physical clouded us. And then we
Speaker 4: get out there on Sunday and da'strowing the ball forty times.
Speaker 3: The different regime. No, it's the big regime. Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: make okay, okay.
Speaker 2: But but.
Speaker 4: Just say our God, bron make make But you know,
Speaker 4: I mean you panting out the bar.
Speaker 2: He wanted out the problem. But where's the solution.
Speaker 4: And if you're telling me that ric o' dadel in
Speaker 4: some ways something, come on, let's go back to what
Speaker 4: we have in.
Speaker 2: The cupboard, because we can't deviate from what we have.
Speaker 4: If you're telling me Tyler goydon okay, if you mentioned
Speaker 4: he was mentioned, Okay.
Speaker 2: So here's a positive guidance. Yes, no, you go ahead.
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is when you point out about Philadelphia,
Speaker 4: when you point out about the command, you know what
Speaker 4: you have coming, all right, And the best way to
Speaker 4: nullify that is to be physical. You can't play for
Speaker 4: Nest Football against Philly anymore.
Speaker 2: They're not there. They are built to bruise, all right.
Speaker 4: And if you don't run the ball, if you can't
Speaker 4: run the ball, I eat the super Bowl in Kansas City,
Speaker 4: what do they do? They are going to make life
Speaker 4: hell for you and your quarterback that you're paying all
Speaker 4: this money to. He's not gonna be successful when Dak
Speaker 4: stands up and say, oh.
Speaker 2: We're close, We're right there. You know we're right there.
Speaker 4: All those guys, I've had a lot of time, proof
Speaker 4: and consistency of beating them, Dak. Times changed and you
Speaker 4: saw it with your own eyes. Times have changed. And
Speaker 4: if you can't fix your offensive line, you have more
Speaker 4: problems coming to you than you know that it's going
Speaker 4: to start up front.
Speaker 2: Heckma, I love the passion. I love the passion, and
Speaker 2: I like the fact that you are skeptical. You should
Speaker 2: be sca because we hear we've been told a lot
Speaker 2: around Okay, sold the whole lot with.
Speaker 3: That good friend, electorro McNeil says, Hall of Fame speaker.
Speaker 3: You must see things as they are, which is what
Speaker 3: I think they're doing. We don't run the ball, see
Speaker 3: things as you think they are. We want to be
Speaker 3: a physical football team. We want to commit to run
Speaker 3: and then make them the way you see them.
Speaker 2: These are the steps that you must do, because.
Speaker 3: We all know order for you to try to at
Speaker 3: least try to compete in this division, you're gonna have
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 2: There's still steps to be taken.
Speaker 3: I for one, am not sold on what they bringing
Speaker 3: back last year's group at all.
Speaker 2: There needs to be stuff done.
Speaker 3: I did ask the running back coach, I mean the
Speaker 3: offensive line coach about DJ Giddings and running back of case,
Speaker 3: because there's a bunch of running backs available deep.
Speaker 2: Learn tech gotta run back. Caroline to run back. He
Speaker 2: was too hurt.
Speaker 3: I went him playing. Actually wasn't at K State Oklahoma
Speaker 3: State game last year. Yes, and the kid from K
Speaker 3: State I played, Oli Gordon.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's probably hurt last year.
Speaker 3: But but but still there's there are people in Arizona State. Guy,
Speaker 3: you know that they're scatter. There are players there. They
Speaker 3: at least recognized. And that to me is where I
Speaker 3: don't think Mike gave us. I think Mike lip serviced it.
Speaker 3: But then you just go back to his career. He
Speaker 3: never ran the ball. It wasn't what he did. Shody
Speaker 3: at least has all right. We got to get a
Speaker 3: break in here, and boy, I tell you you get
Speaker 3: too hard.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying no positive, Heck, I'm still here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Eagle's broken hurts because of that year.
Speaker 2: Broke.
Speaker 4: Broke said that man, I might need a little resuscitation
Speaker 4: from the Eagles winning the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: That might be what it is. Thank you for pointing
Speaker 2: that out.
Speaker 3: You did say NFC East team against Kansas City super Bowl.
Speaker 3: You did say to beginning, but.
Speaker 2: You picked your Maine. But it was mic.
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Speaker 3: Please don't be like the last coaches out here with
Speaker 3: these shirts and slogan.
Speaker 2: It's okay.
Speaker 6: So that's like a you gotta come up with a slogan,
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Speaker 4: See that's what that's when it happened. That's what the positivity.
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Speaker 4: Then that didn't jive. You know, it happened. They had
Speaker 4: this Cleveland games like this is it?
Speaker 2: Oh you really? Then all showed up after the Cleveland
Speaker 2: and the didn't have tackles.
Speaker 3: We said, good, good, but they don't know tackles, no tackles.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah. By the way, Cowboy Nation was a
Speaker 2: bit harsh on Lawrence Taylor. Oh well, t sunny.
Speaker 3: Why do they get salt yet, said Michael Parsons less
Speaker 3: less podcasts. We're playing went at the l TS personal
Speaker 3: issues while he was playing because we miss games. Did
Speaker 3: miss miss miss many games because because he wasn't available.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 2: You know that's going he was in Aspen word l T.
Speaker 3: Like I said, man out of pot, cowboy cowboy name.
Speaker 3: We're not trying to hear Lawrence Taylor criticized Michael Parsons
Speaker 3: about not playing, you know, about about games, considering that
Speaker 3: he had a lot of substitutes issues during his time.
Speaker 3: They did not want to hear that from him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and that there are ways, Look, there
Speaker 4: really are ways to get through. And I think Lawrence
Speaker 4: Taylor is one of those players that generationally you could
Speaker 4: come back to is dominant, you know, off.
Speaker 2: The off the field.
Speaker 4: Obviously those are documented, you can come back to those.
Speaker 4: But times have changed so much, man, from from the
Speaker 4: from the old school guys to the new school guys,
Speaker 4: and a lot of guys's they don't listen to it.
Speaker 2: It's like they don't they don't care.
Speaker 4: About that, especially when they hear about some of the
Speaker 4: off the field things. But there's something to be learned
Speaker 4: in this whole split between generations because I think as
Speaker 4: players now you see guys controlling their own narratives.
Speaker 2: It's more about it. It's more than just the field now, which.
Speaker 4: Branding is, branding is all those other things they go
Speaker 4: into it. And when I look at Michael Parsons, truly, man,
Speaker 4: he probably grew up in an everywhere DeMarcus Ware was
Speaker 4: the guys that he's watching, guys like that, right and
Speaker 4: exactly so those are the guys that can speak to
Speaker 4: him that he would understand directly as players. And I
Speaker 4: think when he hears that from Lawrence Taylor's like, you
Speaker 4: don't get it, you don't understand. But what I love
Speaker 4: about Michael is we're not hearing about off the field
Speaker 4: issues from him, all right, but we do want to play.
Speaker 2: To go up to activity thank god, there's no authority. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I was.
Speaker 3: I was talking to research at least and Milly yesterday.
Speaker 3: She brought up a very good point about gen Z.
Speaker 3: She's just now they have more choices than ever. And
Speaker 3: if you're talking about trying to build a brand, you're
Speaker 3: talking about just what you can do outside of football.
Speaker 3: A player of Michael Parson's talent has the more choices,
Speaker 3: and so he's gone the podcasting round.
Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey has gone the podcasting you got I'm on
Speaker 2: Saint Brown. There's a lot of when how he long played.
Speaker 3: You're too young to remember this, but you remember how
Speaker 3: we long used him off day to tape inside the
Speaker 3: NFL segments on HBO as he was getting ready for
Speaker 3: his career before Greg Olsen ended up leaving. Greg Olsen
Speaker 3: went into the television booth to work on things. So
Speaker 3: and all three were good players. Michael Parsons is still
Speaker 3: playing at a Pro Bowl level. Okay, he was hurting
Speaker 3: miss games this year, but he operated at almost say
Speaker 3: all pro level, but made the Pro Bowl in miss
Speaker 3: numerous games. I am not that concerned about it as
Speaker 3: other people are, as Lawrence Taylor is. If the guy
Speaker 3: was not producing then maybe you'd say something, we're not
Speaker 3: talking about a guy like Mazzie Smith, where you're saying, okay,
Speaker 3: we use his pick on you.
Speaker 2: He gab, but where are you at?
Speaker 3: That's not Michael Parsons is a difference maker on the
Speaker 3: football field.
Speaker 2: Overall, the team just needs to win more games.
Speaker 3: But I don't look at Michael Parlan saying you know what,
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you're the problem. Or if Michael stopped
Speaker 3: doing his podcas has all of a sudden, his game
Speaker 3: would go ten more levels.
Speaker 4: I don't know I've asked you this, but Barry, did
Speaker 4: you have any mentors when you were in the league,
Speaker 4: like guys that you know, professional league that were either
Speaker 4: playing or out of the league that you talked to
Speaker 4: to just deal with maybe personal financial.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you got so.
Speaker 6: For me, it was Terrence Newman when I first got here,
Speaker 6: and the guy Gerald Senseiball.
Speaker 2: Who we talk about all the time, and.
Speaker 6: And those guys back when I first got in it
Speaker 6: was kind of tunnel vision football like it was. It
Speaker 6: was right before kind of social media blew up and
Speaker 6: guys started doing this brand stuff.
Speaker 2: You didn't have.
Speaker 6: Everything with football football, and that's what they helped me,
Speaker 6: you know, sharpen my craft and get better at I
Speaker 6: wish I had a you know, a guy. I was like,
Speaker 6: you need to think thing about this outside of the
Speaker 6: ball or that, or you know how Greg Olsen got
Speaker 6: into it.
Speaker 2: That would be you know, that would be pretty dope
Speaker 2: in my opinion.
Speaker 6: And Michael Parsons is taking advantage of it because he
Speaker 6: knows NFL.
Speaker 3: And also make sure you understand what is the pecking
Speaker 3: order when you're doing it. Michael Parsons is the first
Speaker 3: round draft by the team, who the owner loves, who
Speaker 3: is playing a position where he's on TV a lot
Speaker 3: because he's getting to the Quarterbrock yep. So you can
Speaker 3: do that. It's kind of hard to do that if
Speaker 3: you are Austin Richards and you're a backup tackle or
Speaker 3: brock Hoffman at the backup center. You have to be
Speaker 3: in a position to do this. To take advantage of
Speaker 3: some of these things. I mean, God bless Jason Kelsey.
Speaker 3: The him doing the podcast is really a lot because
Speaker 3: of his brother. Here's Travis dating homegirl and so now
Speaker 3: touch it down.
Speaker 2: You get to ride up in here too.
Speaker 3: But how many offensive centers in the NFL are able
Speaker 3: to go out here and do chunky super commercials and
Speaker 3: do podcasts like that. So things have to align. You've
Speaker 3: got to have the choices and be in the right position.
Speaker 3: So anyway, it is what it is. But you know
Speaker 3: what the cowboy assistant coaches everybody right now is take
Speaker 3: this with you cowboysman. They are in a line with
Speaker 3: what the head coach is saying. The head coaches hire
Speaker 3: people who believe in his vision and they're going to
Speaker 3: try to execute it.
Speaker 2: Let us see now to get ready for the combine.
Speaker 3: It starts to happen as you get ready for free agency.
Speaker 3: What they do to help the coach and the coaching staff.
Speaker 3: And that comes from.
Speaker 2: Gerald Wayne Jones, President, general manager of the team. Maherrison positive,
Speaker 2: he positive.
Speaker 3: Next week, come on, we'll go see the coaches. The
Speaker 3: coach is gonna give some of that.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be right. We're gonna be singing the Doobie Brothers.
Speaker 4: Keep you run, don't do that, can't keep you run here,
Speaker 4: you gonna start running, that's me.
Speaker 2: Come on, heck, that's sure.
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