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Speaker 1: out there about these draft prospects, about what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: might do, and of course the updates that come along
Speaker 1: as well, and we've got plenty of them with pro
Speaker 1: days and injury news and all sorts of things that
Speaker 1: we've hit on Tuesday. But I do want to get
Speaker 1: the thought process on these three as well. Dave Burglar, Kevin,
Speaker 1: Katie Turner, We've got Jeff cavanaughm Kyle Joman's glad you're
Speaker 1: with us, and well, Jeff, I want to talk to
Speaker 1: you first about this because I just feel like you
Speaker 1: would have a great answer to it. But I do
Speaker 1: want to hit the Caleb Farley news again with the
Speaker 1: back surgery. Wanted to get your take on it really quickly.
Speaker 1: We won't go in depth on this, but what does
Speaker 1: the back surgery do and the injury? Who's coming out
Speaker 1: about Caleb Farley due to his draft stock on your board? Well,
Speaker 1: for me, and I think Dani will probably be able
Speaker 1: to speak to for the NFL better, but for me personally,
Speaker 1: I would immediately eliminate. Like we're talking about a top
Speaker 1: ten pick and a guy who didn't play last year
Speaker 1: and even without playing last year, had to have a
Speaker 1: repeat of something to relieve back pain. I'm terrified at back,
Speaker 1: so I'm terrified and next so for me, Caleb Farley
Speaker 1: just became a guy that I'll keep my eye on
Speaker 1: it and see what my doctors think and then tell
Speaker 1: me if he falls all the way to forty four
Speaker 1: because of it. And seeing some of the national guys
Speaker 1: still mocking him in the top ten or twelve and
Speaker 1: saying they don't think it's a big deal. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's a reflection of the NFL. But for me,
Speaker 1: out like me, we're talking JC Horn and Patrick Certan
Speaker 1: as your corner options at number ten, and Caleb Farley
Speaker 1: is out of there. That's just me. But he's out
Speaker 1: of there, out of there. By well, he's gonna fall,
Speaker 1: I mean that he has to, unfortunately, and it's it's
Speaker 1: really too bad. The timing of this is interesting. Um,
Speaker 1: he has not played um since last season, so having
Speaker 1: this procedure, now, what does that tell you? Tells you
Speaker 1: something happened right, you know, weight training or just his
Speaker 1: his workout. Something happened recently that is causing the timing
Speaker 1: to be now. And that's that's that's a little troublesome. Um,
Speaker 1: it's his second back procedure. Um. And this is also
Speaker 1: a guy that has an ACL tear in college, So
Speaker 1: factor in all the medical things and I just it's
Speaker 1: tough to see him going in the top twenty, top
Speaker 1: twenty five. I mean, that's just my guess. There might
Speaker 1: be a team that has a much much more of
Speaker 1: an appetite for risk and are willing willing to take
Speaker 1: that chance. Um. So you never say never, but when
Speaker 1: you just factor in everything, I would be surprised if
Speaker 1: he goes uh, you know, at that high talking about
Speaker 1: in the top half a round and one. So UM,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a good answer in terms
Speaker 1: of where he's gonna go because each team's going to
Speaker 1: do it differently, each medical staff is going to speak
Speaker 1: on it differently. We just, you know, talking to the
Speaker 1: conversations I've had with people around the league about it,
Speaker 1: they've all kind of shrugged their shoulders and said, we
Speaker 1: just gotta wait and see, just gotta wait and see.
Speaker 1: Um and a lot of them said that he should
Speaker 1: be able to rehab fine and play. But then the
Speaker 1: question becomes, Okay, well, when's when's the next thing pop up?
Speaker 1: You know, when when when's that next thing? And Kyle,
Speaker 1: let me just throw this in because you asked, like,
Speaker 1: what does it do on your board? Because I don't
Speaker 1: believe in, I don't believe in what the Cowboys do
Speaker 1: with injured guys because we I interviewed Will McClay about
Speaker 1: this one time, about the Jalen Smith pick, and he
Speaker 1: told me, like, we put the guys on the board
Speaker 1: where their talent dictates. So like Jalen Smith was in
Speaker 1: the first round for them, and then when they get
Speaker 1: to the second round, they go, oh, remember now this guy,
Speaker 1: Now what should we do with him, and I think
Speaker 1: that's dead wrong. So for me personally, I'm just assuming
Speaker 1: exactly what Dane said about Caleb Farley, right, that he's
Speaker 1: gonna have something done to his back, and now that's
Speaker 1: two he's had the knee. But I'm gonna assume that
Speaker 1: team doctors are saying, hey, he's gonna be all right,
Speaker 1: he's gonna play football and it's gonna be all good. Right,
Speaker 1: And given that he is now my cornerback seven, wow,
Speaker 1: that's where I put him. I put him. I put
Speaker 1: him behind the guys that I feel really good about,
Speaker 1: Horn Certan Newsome, Kelvin, Joseph Vasante, Samuel, Elijah Molden, and
Speaker 1: then I'll bet on Farley. Now I bet NFL team
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna take him higher than that. But that's what
Speaker 1: I would do because the other six guys, well, I
Speaker 1: guess Kelvin, Joseph, you have other concerns and so man,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be you wouldn't be there with me. But
Speaker 1: that's what I would do, is I would put him
Speaker 1: right behind the group of corners that I feel really
Speaker 1: good about as top forty picks, and then I'll put
Speaker 1: Farley in. I put him a cornerback four myself, so
Speaker 1: same type of deal. I think cornerbacks I feel really
Speaker 1: good about, which is Certan Horne Newsome And then I
Speaker 1: put Farley, So sorry, Katie, go ahead, Well no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is this is where I think, like historical context
Speaker 1: is a little interesting to me because I couldn't find
Speaker 1: like that back injury situation specifically, But I thought of
Speaker 1: the Eagles drafting Sydney Jones after the Achilles hit, that
Speaker 1: would pick forty three. The other one I thought of
Speaker 1: was that you didn't work out, which did not work
Speaker 1: out at all, right, And the other one I thought
Speaker 1: of was I would say probably hasn't worked out very
Speaker 1: well either is if you remember Reggie Ragland, Yeah that
Speaker 1: was a hard thing, but that was still a second
Speaker 1: round you know pick used like for some reason teams
Speaker 1: are willing to spend on the second round on those
Speaker 1: type things. And again I haven't done the full you know,
Speaker 1: injury historical thing on that, but like those two immediately
Speaker 1: came to mind when I thought about this, and immediately went, well,
Speaker 1: he's there for you at forty five, And I think
Speaker 1: that is the question I'm with Jeff, like my third
Speaker 1: corner going in was. I mean, my fourth corner before
Speaker 1: all this happened was Eric Stokes. Well, I will take
Speaker 1: Eric Stokes before I take Caleb Farley. I think I would.
Speaker 1: Newsome was next. I will take Newsome way before I
Speaker 1: take Caleb Farley. Asante Samuel, I would take him before
Speaker 1: I took Caleb Farley. Elijah Molden, I would take him
Speaker 1: before I get to Caleb Farley. The line that I
Speaker 1: got to was Aaron Robinson, Melifon, move, Kelvin Joseph. That's
Speaker 1: where I go. You know what, I would probably still
Speaker 1: take Farley over those guys. You know the thing is too,
Speaker 1: it's not black and white. We can learn more about
Speaker 1: us back in the coming month too. No, that's a
Speaker 1: good point. One the other another example Montez Sweat two
Speaker 1: years ago, Remember he had the heart issue, and you
Speaker 1: know we were thinking, okay, was he gonna fall to
Speaker 1: the sixth round like the Michigan defensive tackle did uh?
Speaker 1: You know what, right, Maurice Hurst? What was Montes Sweat
Speaker 1: gonna go? H And he ends up still going in
Speaker 1: the first round, late first round, and so far that's
Speaker 1: worked out. Okay. He's been a solid to very good
Speaker 1: player for Washington. So you know, that's an example of
Speaker 1: the flip side where the issues, the doubt, the risk
Speaker 1: was there with uh, you know, I'm talking about medically
Speaker 1: and you know worked out okay for the Washington football team.
Speaker 1: Supposed to be a mid July return according to Drew
Speaker 1: Rosenhouse for Caleb Farley, So that could potentially give these
Speaker 1: teams a little bit of hope. I wrote about that
Speaker 1: yesterday on the website, but Dane, I want to put
Speaker 1: you on the spot here a little bit. And Katie
Speaker 1: made a great point. We're still going to learn about
Speaker 1: this back surgery and specifics about the medicals as we
Speaker 1: get up in the final month of this draft. However,
Speaker 1: if you had to put a percentage on it, what
Speaker 1: is a percentage that Farley does fall to forty four
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys? That's the first question. Second question is
Speaker 1: would they consider taking him at forty four if they
Speaker 1: wanted to either double dip at corner or if they
Speaker 1: didn't take a corner in the first round. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I really don't, because it's just there
Speaker 1: have been times when I thought, no way that Cowboys
Speaker 1: are gonna draft this guy, or because of injuries and
Speaker 1: they've had him on the board other times. You know,
Speaker 1: I've I did not. I wasn't aware of a more
Speaker 1: serious issue, and the Cowboys didn't have him on the
Speaker 1: board because of that. He was a box player for them,
Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's hard to say because each
Speaker 1: one of these medical things are so different from team
Speaker 1: to team. I would say it's more unlikely than likely
Speaker 1: that Kayleb Farley is there at forty four. I think
Speaker 1: he I think he still goes somewhere top forty. That's
Speaker 1: that would be my bet at this point, just based
Speaker 1: on what we know. But like KT said, we're going
Speaker 1: to learn more and more, you know, and there's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of the medical stuff that needs to be
Speaker 1: hashed out. But I would say it's more like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, eighty twenty, he goes somewhere and top forty
Speaker 1: picks okay, good, good enough. And that's just my guest,
Speaker 1: no informal guests, based off of what we know this
Speaker 1: very second. And that's and can I add to that,
Speaker 1: because I wonder what part of your question was, would
Speaker 1: you double dip with him at forty four? And I
Speaker 1: think I would. I think I'd be more scared of
Speaker 1: having if you didn't go corner first and then Farley
Speaker 1: falls your lap, I'd be more scared of that because
Speaker 1: now you're relying on him to be that dude, and
Speaker 1: I would much rather have him be kind of a
Speaker 1: bonus where you're like, man, this could really be awesome,
Speaker 1: but we also picked a different guy almost like I
Speaker 1: hope they do it free safety. I hope they signed Kazy,
Speaker 1: and I hope they pick a guy in the first
Speaker 1: three rounds so that they feel good about the spot.
Speaker 1: I would not want to pick Caleb Farley at forty
Speaker 1: four if I hadn't picked a corner, or if I did,
Speaker 1: I would say, okay, now pick another one. Now, let's
Speaker 1: talk about those corners that we could pick on the
Speaker 1: front end of that double dip, and that's Patrick Zutan
Speaker 1: And I guess J. C. Horn is now in that conversation. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy we've talked about for
Speaker 1: quite some time. I mean we've all been very adamant
Speaker 1: about having him at least in the top three conversation.
Speaker 1: Now he's in the top two conversation or is he
Speaker 1: maybe even cornerback one? Jeff, I know you put that
Speaker 1: in our group tax is that something that you actually believe?
Speaker 1: Do you think Horns better than certain because you wouldn't
Speaker 1: be alone in that fact. Yeah. And I think the
Speaker 1: more and longer I do this, the less I kind
Speaker 1: of get dug in on like this guy over this
Speaker 1: guy and this guy. It's more about to me kind
Speaker 1: of the scouting report versus the exactly how you have
Speaker 1: him stacked. But I love Jase Horne. I love the
Speaker 1: way that he plays. I think you're comparing two guys
Speaker 1: that are three year starters in the SEC that have
Speaker 1: been really good football players, and it's just a matter
Speaker 1: of sort of preference. But my preference is Jac Horne.
Speaker 1: I think Sir Tan's rock solid. It pretty much everything.
Speaker 1: I think if you wanted to compare floors, I think
Speaker 1: I would probably feel a little bit safer with Sir Tan.
Speaker 1: But to me, there's a lot of appeal that j. C.
Speaker 1: Horne is. A guy gets off the bus or plane
Speaker 1: or however they travel, and the coach goes, hey, that's
Speaker 1: their best guy, and Jac says, got you, coach. If
Speaker 1: he lines up at tight end, he's mine. If he's
Speaker 1: in the slot, he's mine. If he's on the right,
Speaker 1: the left, he's mine. That's that you know, that is
Speaker 1: JC Horne. I think it's I think it's pretty clear
Speaker 1: who both of them are at this point where you say, Okay,
Speaker 1: Patrick Curtan, you have one question, and that one question
Speaker 1: is and they neither one of them did the shuttles.
Speaker 1: But like with Patrick Curtan, how good are we at
Speaker 1: the speed and the quickness in short spaces and adjustments
Speaker 1: and makeup? That's the one question. And with j C. Horne,
Speaker 1: the one question is can I get you to stop
Speaker 1: grabbing on literally every play? So like, and that's who
Speaker 1: they are. And I like the guy who's who covers
Speaker 1: guys no matter where they go. I like the guy
Speaker 1: that's going to annoy a wide receiver or tight end
Speaker 1: all day. So yeah, I'm Jase Horne for me is
Speaker 1: cornerback one. And I think if you picked either one
Speaker 1: of those guys at ten, you've made a fine pick.
Speaker 1: I think you could, you know, really make a strong
Speaker 1: argument for either one of these players. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know what Jeff, I agree with a lot of
Speaker 1: what Jeff just said in terms of Curtain having the
Speaker 1: higher floor. You just have a better idea of what
Speaker 1: he brings. You wish he had a little better twitch,
Speaker 1: but he just that's not his game. He's not the
Speaker 1: most twitchy player. But I love with certain just how
Speaker 1: the game slows down for him and how controlled he plays.
Speaker 1: I'm taking that guy ten times out of ten. Now,
Speaker 1: I still really like jac Horne, but you know how
Speaker 1: overaggressive he plays. I mean, just a flag magnet five
Speaker 1: penalties in seven games this past year in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: He just that's his game. Now, I'd rather have a
Speaker 1: guy like that and try to bring him back and
Speaker 1: add more discipline to his game as opposed to a
Speaker 1: guy that you try to crank up and be more aggressive.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm still fine with j. C. Horne there. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know this is a player that, uh, he's
Speaker 1: not a great tackler. Way too many miss tackles. That
Speaker 1: bothered me a little bit. For a guy that's as
Speaker 1: as aggressive as he is the ball, he just throws
Speaker 1: his body around. He's like, he's not a free tackle.
Speaker 1: He's just not a good tackler. Right, He'll drop his
Speaker 1: eyes and just throw his body around. That's exactly what
Speaker 1: he does. Um. And then I didn't love the body
Speaker 1: or the ball production. Both his picks came in one
Speaker 1: game and then the other what twenty nine games he
Speaker 1: had zero picks. Um. You know, solid in terms of
Speaker 1: pass breakups, but not the best ball production for a
Speaker 1: player you're considering in the top ten. Um. But you know,
Speaker 1: I do really like j C. Horne. Um. You know, Hey,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy at one time coached his dad. So a
Speaker 1: little bit of a connection there, Uh, family connection, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean that's how that's how he picks
Speaker 1: his backup quarterbacks is which guy has his family known
Speaker 1: from middle school? So I think fans would be I
Speaker 1: think fans would be appalled. That's some of the the
Speaker 1: net atism and some of the you know, different connections
Speaker 1: that led to some draft picks and hirings and all that.
Speaker 1: So it's it's kind of crazy all that stuff is relevant. No,
Speaker 1: I would just say go ahead, no, no, go for KT. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll be quick. I was just saying for me the discussion, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm Jeff's been on this for a month
Speaker 1: and Daniel might have been on this for a month
Speaker 1: of talking like we should be talking about Horn at ten.
Speaker 1: To me, at ten, j C. Horn is still a
Speaker 1: bit of a reach. But that doesn't mean I hate
Speaker 1: the guy, you know, Like I still like the player,
Speaker 1: he's just he's my seventeenth overall player and he was
Speaker 1: eighteen before the Farley thing happened. So it's still a
Speaker 1: little bit of like, what are you doing at ten?
Speaker 1: And sir Tan is a little safer, uh the thing
Speaker 1: that bothers me. And I'm a bit of kind of
Speaker 1: contradicting myself here because Farley's not some great tackle or anything.
Speaker 1: And I really love Farley's day, but I've really tried
Speaker 1: to prioritize tackling after a few things. One being real
Speaker 1: high on Grant Delpit from LSU. Two that whole Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick and Nick Saban documentary on HBO, Like, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to ignore what these guys are saying at
Speaker 1: this documentary. And the first thing they talk about when
Speaker 1: looking for a defender, especially a defensive back, is can
Speaker 1: they tackle? And cur Tan has like foundational skills as
Speaker 1: a tackler. You do not see that with J. C.
Speaker 1: Horne and you don't always see him doing a good
Speaker 1: job of getting off blocks on the outside and things
Speaker 1: like that. Oh yeah, I like Jac Horne a lot.
Speaker 1: I just at ten, if sur Tan is there I'll
Speaker 1: do it if Sir Tan is not there. I'm happy
Speaker 1: to pick Horn at ten, but I need to know
Speaker 1: what else is there, because that would not be my
Speaker 1: number one option. I can guarantee you that he will
Speaker 1: not be my number one option at pick ten, he
Speaker 1: will not be the highest ranked player on my board.
Speaker 1: With that being said, and with the Farley news coming out, initially,
Speaker 1: whenever J. C. Horne's name was brought up, he was
Speaker 1: brought up in a trade back scenario. He was brought
Speaker 1: up as a person you can maybe fall back in
Speaker 1: the draft, go to the late teens, and hope he
Speaker 1: falls to you. How likely is that now, because he's
Speaker 1: going to be the second corner taken off the board
Speaker 1: most likely. I don't want to put in absolutes right now,
Speaker 1: of course, because it's the NFL Draft, but he's probably
Speaker 1: going to be the second corner off the board. So
Speaker 1: does it make it less likely or at least less
Speaker 1: far you would have to drop in order to keep
Speaker 1: him on your board, Katie, if you wanted him to
Speaker 1: be in your lappets, let's say in the late teams, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's what teams might be coming up for now.
Speaker 1: Is cornerback one. What if teams have certain is their
Speaker 1: clear cornerback one, that might be something you come up for.
Speaker 1: Rashawn Slater might be something you come up for. Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts might be something you come up for, or one
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks, and maybe maybe one of the top
Speaker 1: three wide receivers. But I probably feel less certain about
Speaker 1: that given how many you know, how much wide receiver
Speaker 1: depth there is, But that might be there. That's where
Speaker 1: some of the action might be, or the idea that
Speaker 1: some teams go, I gotta get ahead of Dallas. Dallas
Speaker 1: might want to take a cornerback at ten. Let me
Speaker 1: jump up to nine where Denver is and get there.
Speaker 1: And Denver, I think very well could take a corner
Speaker 1: I don't know if signing Ronald Darby stops them. I
Speaker 1: don't know if getting Kyle Fuller stops them completely from
Speaker 1: getting a cornerback. They might still get some of that
Speaker 1: action with Fangio as the head coach. So like, I
Speaker 1: think that's a possibility, But you know, I think Denver
Speaker 1: could also get the heck out of there. So I like,
Speaker 1: to me, it's ideally, like, is it an ideal situation
Speaker 1: to trade back? But I've said it a million times.
Speaker 1: You guys know it, Like, look, you can't guarantee the
Speaker 1: phone's gonna ring. They wanted the phone to ring when
Speaker 1: they picked Jaalen Smith. True phone didn't ring. I don't.
Speaker 1: You don't trade back with the specific goal of landing
Speaker 1: jac Horn. You trade back with a group of three
Speaker 1: or four names that you're comfortable with. Maybe Jacy Horns
Speaker 1: at the top of that list, but you're equally comfortable
Speaker 1: with a Greg Newsome or you know whoever else. Because
Speaker 1: I think if you're trading back, you're gonna be disappointed
Speaker 1: because that'd be a good chans Jasey Horns off the
Speaker 1: board by the time you're picking, and corner is too
Speaker 1: premiere a position to play games with that you if
Speaker 1: you like him, you pick him, even if you think,
Speaker 1: oh man, this is four spots earlier. I wish I
Speaker 1: could pick him at fifteen or six. Pick him. It's
Speaker 1: it's too important a position. Yeah, especially whenever it's these
Speaker 1: top prospects and you're you're splitting hairs back and forth
Speaker 1: to try and figure out who is who and where
Speaker 1: they rank. Yeah. No, I'm right there with you, Jeff.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great way to put it. I mean, now, honestly,
Speaker 1: BPA is still going to be an offensive player. We
Speaker 1: don't have to acknowledge that. But BPA is still going
Speaker 1: to be an offensive player. It's true. Does this make
Speaker 1: it just real quickly before we go onto Twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty, But does this make it more likely that
Speaker 1: the restons later is the pick outside of certain or Horn.
Speaker 1: I think, and I could be wrong. I think they're
Speaker 1: realistic board. We're being realistic here, we're rolling out that's
Speaker 1: it's not fun to rule out wide receivers. But just
Speaker 1: for the sake of this conversation, I think their board
Speaker 1: is seul certain Slater wow, pits Wow. So you have
Speaker 1: certain above Slater? Yes, okay, I mean that's what I
Speaker 1: think they would do. I've got Slater graded quite a
Speaker 1: bit higher than Okay, you're talking in the shoes of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys front office. You just put Kyle Pitts behind
Speaker 1: three other humans. That's what they would do. I don't
Speaker 1: have him there. He's my third grand player. I think
Speaker 1: they would. I think they would do that. Kyle Puts
Speaker 1: is gonna be in a Marvel movie one day because
Speaker 1: he's a superhero with superpowers. You'd be nice to no
Speaker 1: no CG I needed Yeah, right, does all his own
Speaker 1: stunts exactly here, and cow Pits runs a post corner
Speaker 1: and dunks on his head. Uh wow, Okay, my mind's
Speaker 1: taking me places now. So what the Cowboys? I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't know what they're board's gonna look like. But
Speaker 1: I do think that JC Horn essentially probably replaced is Farley,
Speaker 1: But we don't know, you know, where Slater and Pits
Speaker 1: and the corners where they fall in terms of, you know,
Speaker 1: what they want. I think, you know, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: tough to know that. I mean, at this point, what
Speaker 1: three years ago, you know, we were starting to see that, Okay,
Speaker 1: Layton van Dresh, you know this is this is their guy.
Speaker 1: We're starting to see that around this time. And so
Speaker 1: I still think that we're entering the point in the
Speaker 1: process where we're picking up clues and starting to figure
Speaker 1: it out. I think that's kind of what this part
Speaker 1: of the draft process is, is picking up those clues
Speaker 1: and trying to figure it out. So we're trying to
Speaker 1: do it the best we can here on the Draft Show,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna try and answer your questions the best
Speaker 1: we can. Whenever we come back on the other side
Speaker 1: of the break, It's time for some Twitter on the twenty.
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Speaker 1: a beautiful Thursday morning here from the start in the
Speaker 1: SWBC Mortgage Studios. Time now for some Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty Twitter on the Twitter as always Chris being punching
Speaker 1: those buttons in the back and doing a fantastic job
Speaker 1: of doing so. And guys, we got through six whole
Speaker 1: questions on Tuesday's Twitter on the twenty. It was a
Speaker 1: blazing start, and we've got sixty five questions to answer
Speaker 1: on this edition, so let's try and get through as
Speaker 1: many as we potentially can. I'm gonna rapid fire these
Speaker 1: at you, so I'm gonna start with you, Dane. Where
Speaker 1: are you guys projecting Pete Werner Ohio State? Where do
Speaker 1: you think he's going to potentially end up? That question
Speaker 1: coming from Jake. I think he's probably late third, early fourth,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like that borderline top one hundred.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a quality player. I think the biggest
Speaker 1: best thing about him is the versatility. You know, you
Speaker 1: can leave him on the field all four downs, play
Speaker 1: special teams, can hold up in coverage. I really think
Speaker 1: he's a very heady player. I love his eyes. The
Speaker 1: way he plays. He's always chasing, So I don't know
Speaker 1: that he's a playmaker. There's some inconsistent tendencies there, but
Speaker 1: plays with range. His sights are always on the football,
Speaker 1: So you know, you could I want a player like
Speaker 1: that on my team. I just I don't want to
Speaker 1: necessarily have to pay a top one hundred price for him.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't. I think if you can
Speaker 1: get him early day three, fourth round, you're gonna you're
Speaker 1: gonna not gonna regret that pick. I got him in
Speaker 1: the exact same spot I think, Um, I am a
Speaker 1: sucker for the like what jumps out at you on
Speaker 1: tape from a guy, so like Baron Browning, the Ohio
Speaker 1: State linebacker, he kind of has that for me where
Speaker 1: it's like, wow, look at that burst, look at the
Speaker 1: closing burst. Holy cow. And with Werner it's just more
Speaker 1: kind of steady, And I'm like, man, You're athleticism isn't
Speaker 1: jumping out? Playmaking ability isn't jumping out? Like could he
Speaker 1: become an NFL starter? I guess he's steady, but there's
Speaker 1: nothing about him that wowed me. And if you don't
Speaker 1: wow me with anything, you end up in the fourth round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for a context, just where I have him, Um, fourth round,
Speaker 1: I have him in the same area as in terms
Speaker 1: of linebackers. You know, Halfanga, I don't have Halfena as
Speaker 1: a safety and uh Monnie Rice Georgia kind of in
Speaker 1: that fourth round area. And then you know we have
Speaker 1: worst players in the fifth round of course, but yeah,
Speaker 1: same same, the same way I felt about the word.
Speaker 1: I thought the best thing he didn't the best thing
Speaker 1: that he did that made me like really, uh, you
Speaker 1: know wake up would be was when he was blitzing.
Speaker 1: I thought that was his best his best attribute. Now
Speaker 1: I mapping out my top one hundred, um that I'll
Speaker 1: be up in the athletic next week. And he was
Speaker 1: one of the five, the first five that I left off,
Speaker 1: so he was very very close. Um, but you know,
Speaker 1: just missed the cut for me. So just barely missing
Speaker 1: the cut at the top one hundred, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: I wish I was a top one hundred on Dan's
Speaker 1: draft board. Um, let's go to Connor on Twitter. Connor
Speaker 1: NFL Draft he does great work. But he said, what's
Speaker 1: the knock on Melifonwu. The physical and athletic traits are
Speaker 1: off the charts. He has impressive tape against top competitions
Speaker 1: such as Clemson and you n see, But what do
Speaker 1: you think about Melifonwu and his knock against really his
Speaker 1: draft stock early in this one, And Jeff, I know
Speaker 1: you've talked about him on multiple occasions. Oh, I think
Speaker 1: most well, I don't want to actually speak for anybody else,
Speaker 1: just speak for me. I don't think that having somebody
Speaker 1: as like a second round player is having a big
Speaker 1: knock on him. I think you can have other guys
Speaker 1: that you feel a little bit more comfortable with, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like Greg Newsome when I watch him, Like
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm more comfortable watching him as a as
Speaker 1: a cover three, as an ability to process what's happening
Speaker 1: around him as a zone player. It's just a matter
Speaker 1: of when you start stacking up guys in individual rounds.
Speaker 1: To me, all you're doing is saying, you know the
Speaker 1: combination of everything that they have. I'm either more comfortable
Speaker 1: or I trust him more, or I like that he
Speaker 1: can do more different things. I got Melifon who as
Speaker 1: a second round player, so I don't have major knocks
Speaker 1: on him. I love the athleticism. I think you're just
Speaker 1: all you're doing is stacking up a bunch of guys
Speaker 1: that you like. Can I just say one thing first
Speaker 1: of all? One of my knocks here is that he
Speaker 1: doesn't put his mouthpiece in, so when he's backpedaling, his
Speaker 1: mouthpieces bouncing around and dangling off off his helmet, and
Speaker 1: that really bothers me. But I noticed this, and I
Speaker 1: don't like want to come across as um, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, tuck your shirt in, kid. But I noticed
Speaker 1: a few times where he takes steps off, not taking
Speaker 1: plays off necessarily, but KOs takes steps off. There's a
Speaker 1: play and what game is that in? To see if
Speaker 1: I have it right here, there's a play. I don't
Speaker 1: know what game it was. I'm sorry, but there's a
Speaker 1: play where he had shown this tendency throughout the game.
Speaker 1: It might have been North Carolina. He'd shouldn't this tendency
Speaker 1: throughout the game to just kind of if the balls
Speaker 1: go on the other side, okay, that's fine, just kind
Speaker 1: of you know, we're not we're not working real hard
Speaker 1: well the quarterback. Then it's like in the second half,
Speaker 1: the quarterback looks to the right and then comes back
Speaker 1: to the left real quickly on a slant route and
Speaker 1: he gets torched. And I'm like, dude, you weren't ready
Speaker 1: to go on that snap, and like you would sit
Speaker 1: multiple times if there were snaps where he just wasn't
Speaker 1: ready to go. I love the player. I think he's great.
Speaker 1: I just think a little tightening up on dismal lect dude.
Speaker 1: When he was an alpha at Syracuse, right, so it's
Speaker 1: like I get it, like you don't have to take
Speaker 1: every play one like go go go, like you're rudy. Right,
Speaker 1: He's not that type of deal. But that was like
Speaker 1: that was a thing that did bother me. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's a little bit of knowing what
Speaker 1: we knew about his older brother thrown into that, But
Speaker 1: maybe there is. I'm only here his brother didn't play
Speaker 1: very hard. He does, yeah, and he's guilty of coasting
Speaker 1: at times too, but he's supposed to. I mean, talking
Speaker 1: to everybody I've talked to says he's just wired differently
Speaker 1: than his brother. So I don't know that's as big
Speaker 1: of a concern. Um. I for me, another guy kind
Speaker 1: of like Horn, which just makes way too much contact
Speaker 1: against six flags last year alone. So you know, a
Speaker 1: guy that's physical, and that's great. I mean, I I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he should be a fourth rounder. Um, it's
Speaker 1: just one of those things that is, you know, I'd
Speaker 1: take a little bit of issue with needs to dial
Speaker 1: it back, needs to be more disciplined. He's so long
Speaker 1: legged that it takes him just a half second to
Speaker 1: unfurl those long legs and to turn and go and
Speaker 1: sometimes against really speedy receivers that'll it'll be a lot
Speaker 1: more obvious. So you know, he just he's a really
Speaker 1: good player. But when you're in this cornerback class and
Speaker 1: you're stacking Melofon with guys like Stokes and Tyson Campbell
Speaker 1: and Kelvin Joseph and all these corners that are in
Speaker 1: that second round range, it's just it's just smallest little
Speaker 1: details that might be the difference for some teams. I
Speaker 1: definitely think so, And I mean it's a question that's
Speaker 1: going to continue to be asked about. I mean, his
Speaker 1: taking plays off. I mean, Katie brought up a great point.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go back and watch that North
Speaker 1: Carolina game because I want to see exactly what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. This next question comes from Larry and while
Speaker 1: we're talking about safeties that are right in that area,
Speaker 1: how about Jamar Johnson safety from Indiana. And this is
Speaker 1: a guy who we were asked about him on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: We didn't really know a whole lot about it, and
Speaker 1: that was a homework assignment for us. But I mean,
Speaker 1: he's graded really high on a couple of draft boards.
Speaker 1: But Dane, where do you have him on yours? Well,
Speaker 1: he did make my top one hundred. Wow, So there's that. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I do worry about him as a run defender,
Speaker 1: and that's why he I think he's number one hundred actually,
Speaker 1: So that's why he's not a hundred and not, you
Speaker 1: know in the top sixty or top fifty. Is he's
Speaker 1: a little choosy as a tackler at times, and that
Speaker 1: that bugs me. But this is a guy that's fluid.
Speaker 1: He's got ray. He can go make plays on the
Speaker 1: ball just as justin fields. Um, you know, he just
Speaker 1: a really ranging corner or safety who can play both sidelines.
Speaker 1: He had four interceptions this past year and only eight games.
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot to like about what he offers
Speaker 1: in the back half of the field. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I always seem one game, so I don't have, you know,
Speaker 1: a ton of credentials to speak on him. I didn't
Speaker 1: see you know, those are like explosive type traits. It's
Speaker 1: like Vin had decent speed and things like that. So
Speaker 1: that's still hard to tell. Get more work to do
Speaker 1: on him, and I've just got the Maryland game soon. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I mean I think I have more work to do
Speaker 1: on him as well. I haven't really watched him at all.
Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance yesterday. I'm gonna do that
Speaker 1: today though, and I'm gonna tweet about it as well
Speaker 1: whenever I'm watching him. All Right, So this next one,
Speaker 1: I think this is a great question from Mike on Twitter.
Speaker 1: He said, take away all the other factors. If you
Speaker 1: could pick one linebacker to fit dan Quinn's new defensive
Speaker 1: system and plug into this defense, which of those would
Speaker 1: you choose? And Jeff, he singled you out on this question.
Speaker 1: He said, besides Jeff, who will take Nick Boltlan regardless
Speaker 1: of fit. But if that's your choice, that's your choice.
Speaker 1: But if you had to choose a linebacker out of
Speaker 1: this draft class to fit this new defense, which one
Speaker 1: would you choose? That's a terrible question because the answer
Speaker 1: is too easy. I mean, I'm taking Jokaya. If I
Speaker 1: just get to pick whoever I want, I'm taking Because
Speaker 1: now we're assuming that dan Quinn we're drawing a picture
Speaker 1: of sort of a cover three, and then I'm drawing
Speaker 1: a picture of the speed linebackers that he's had with
Speaker 1: him with Dion Jones in Atlanta. And so I'm going, Okay,
Speaker 1: don't mind undersized and you want guys that can fly
Speaker 1: around and make tackles for loss, then I would go
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Usu Coromoa. I think that that would be my
Speaker 1: easy one. Michael Parsons will fit anything, but yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: go undersized, fly around, make plays in the backfield. I'll
Speaker 1: go Jay. Okay, and they just signed keanu'neil to play
Speaker 1: that role, so yeah, yeah, true, here you got him.
Speaker 1: Is that what you would choose, Katie? Oh? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that that's that's the fit right there. Um. Now, if
Speaker 1: you wanted to, like, you know, well, that's too late now.
Speaker 1: But if you wanted to go ahead and do the
Speaker 1: Jalen thing, then hey, we can talk about Nick Bolton
Speaker 1: and we can talk about Zaman Collins and we can
Speaker 1: have that fun. But you know, we don't need to.
Speaker 1: When's Kentucky's Pro day? I want to see how Jayman
Speaker 1: Davis tests. I'm a big fan of his. I just
Speaker 1: want to see how he tests. Great question, Dan, do
Speaker 1: you know when Kentucky's Pro day is? Yeah, that's next week,
Speaker 1: but what the hell? Yeah, it's probably somewhere, don't You
Speaker 1: don't have every pro day on the top of your head.
Speaker 1: That's unfortunate. No, I do not mark every player. All right, Okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah later in the week, So let's this next
Speaker 1: question comes from Carson. He said, what are some of
Speaker 1: the weaknesses of Jalen Phillips the edge rusher out of
Speaker 1: Miami and not counting his injuries so no injury red
Speaker 1: flags are the What are the weaknesses from mister Jalen Phillips.
Speaker 1: I think the whole It seems like a lot of
Speaker 1: people have momentum for him as the top edge rusher
Speaker 1: in the class and tell you to me Danner Kat
Speaker 1: can take you through all the medical history, which is
Speaker 1: obviously there. I think I think Jalen Phillips is a
Speaker 1: good pass rusher because I think that he's a developed
Speaker 1: pass rusher, Like we talk about a lot with guys,
Speaker 1: do you have a plan? And I think he has
Speaker 1: ways that he can win inside and out. I like
Speaker 1: the body type. I think that there's a lot to like.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a great run player, like I
Speaker 1: don't think he has great natural power, and I don't
Speaker 1: think that he's a quote bendy guy in terms of
Speaker 1: turning the corner. I think he's more linear, but I
Speaker 1: think he's a good pass rusher with a plan is
Speaker 1: with his hands and his feet that can win inside out.
Speaker 1: So in this pass rush class, I think that there
Speaker 1: is a there's a solid chance that that's a first
Speaker 1: round pick. But I don't think that he's a I
Speaker 1: think he's a good prospect, not necessarily a great prospect. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to say this in the most respectful way
Speaker 1: possible because this is the part of the job that's
Speaker 1: easy for me to talk about because I don't have
Speaker 1: to do it. We need to find out more about
Speaker 1: him because a I can't have a moped guy. He
Speaker 1: got hit by a car when he was on a
Speaker 1: moped broke his wrist. To the music thing, I'm serious,
Speaker 1: I'm serious. Okay, he could play like multiple instruments and
Speaker 1: wants to like produce music, and his grandpa's like a
Speaker 1: dean of music at the university. Like he's like, is
Speaker 1: he more talented as a musician than a football player?
Speaker 1: He might be like, like, legitimately that might be the case,
Speaker 1: like truly, and I agree with Jeff, I don't. I
Speaker 1: didn't see a good run player, but I saw a
Speaker 1: guy who could find the way to get to the
Speaker 1: quarterback and a guy could get in the backfield pretty
Speaker 1: consistently and and that's that's good enough to go top
Speaker 1: fifteen for me. Now he uh, music's his first passion,
Speaker 1: he said that. So you know it's that that's something
Speaker 1: that is at least discussed with the NFL scouts. I
Speaker 1: with Jalen Phillips. I I got flashbacks. You see little
Speaker 1: flashes of the bosses because like what Jeff Kates we're
Speaker 1: talking about with just how developed he is as a
Speaker 1: pash rusher, with the way he'll use his hands, um,
Speaker 1: how he's more smooth than sudden um. And so he
Speaker 1: has a plan. We attacks, attacks the pocket, and he
Speaker 1: can win in different ways. Uh, you know, he'll use
Speaker 1: a two handed swipe or you know, he'll dip his
Speaker 1: shoulder and work the edge. He can win in these
Speaker 1: different ways, and he's very calculated. But it's not also
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's not h it's not robotic.
Speaker 1: It's very natural for him. So you know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot to like about Jaylen Phillips, but you can't ignore
Speaker 1: the off field, can't ignore the medicals that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: and that's certainly a could be an anchor on his
Speaker 1: draft grade. Um. You know, I don't. I don't. He's
Speaker 1: a tough guy to project. He has first round ability.
Speaker 1: Is he gonna go in the first round? Maybe he might,
Speaker 1: but he might also might follow the second round. It's
Speaker 1: definitely been a fun player to listen to Eric excuse me,
Speaker 1: watch during his times. I mean, I guess he's a
Speaker 1: fun player to listen to as well, whenever you talk
Speaker 1: about his music. Uh how about Roy Wary? On Twitter?
Speaker 1: He said, obviously we aren't looking for a quarterback one
Speaker 1: in this draft, but is there a QB two that
Speaker 1: would be worth talking about or as an undrafted free agent?
Speaker 1: M I don't know. In these quarterbacks you can do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like David Mills a lot, but I
Speaker 1: they're not drafting a quarterback in the first four rounds.
Speaker 1: Go pretty high, run, you know, Yeah, I think he's
Speaker 1: got a shot to go on Day two. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's like a Kyle Trask falls
Speaker 1: far enough. You know, maybe I consider that, but you know,
Speaker 1: I still probably gonna go higher than I would want
Speaker 1: to draft him. I don't know. Ian Book i'd be
Speaker 1: you know, if we're talking seventh round and Ian Book
Speaker 1: still around, I'd be okay with that. I like Ian
Speaker 1: Book Quinn a bit as a late round guy because
Speaker 1: of his mobility and what he what he brings in
Speaker 1: that respect. So Ian Book would be if I'm the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and I'm looking sixth, seventh round and i want
Speaker 1: to throw a dart at a quarterback, I'd be comfortable
Speaker 1: with Ian Book. Well, just just a reminder if when
Speaker 1: you're talking about Kyle Trask, nuss Meyer recruited Kyle Trask
Speaker 1: to Florida, and of course nuss Meyer here is the
Speaker 1: quarterback coach for the Cowboys. Plus Dan Quinn. I know
Speaker 1: this is on the defensive side of the football, but
Speaker 1: he was down there as well during that time, So
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe there is a Florida connection on
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the football, but maybe Kyle Trask
Speaker 1: is in that conversation. Now, I had a couple of
Speaker 1: questions that asked, this, is there a potential we should
Speaker 1: be talking about Christian Barmore, the defensive tackle from Alabama
Speaker 1: at ten and because I feel like we've we've kind
Speaker 1: of pigeonholed that pick to the cornerbacks in either Sir
Speaker 1: Tan or Horn or in terms of offensive tackle or
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. I mean, that's kind of where we're at
Speaker 1: with pick number ten. But is there any chance whatsoever
Speaker 1: that Christian Barmore slips into that. If they do it,
Speaker 1: be disappointed in your football team. That's too early. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like Barmore's potential, but you gotta realize, Like, look,
Speaker 1: he was great in the College Football Playoff, and defensive
Speaker 1: tackles who can rush the passer have a lot of value.
Speaker 1: But if I'm going to pick a guy in the
Speaker 1: top ten, man, he'd better be a starter on his
Speaker 1: college football team. Alabama clearly didn't trust him as a
Speaker 1: run player, like they he was not a full time
Speaker 1: starter at Alabama. So like, he's got a lot of
Speaker 1: good tools that you like for a defensive tackle, and
Speaker 1: if you can rush the quarterback up the middle, got value.
Speaker 1: But if they pick him at ten, Honestly, I think
Speaker 1: Barmore in any other D tackle class, he doesn't go
Speaker 1: in the first round, and in this one, maybe he
Speaker 1: does because I think he's the best de tackle prospect.
Speaker 1: But if he goes in the first it's because of
Speaker 1: the class, not necessarily him. I think that's fair. It's
Speaker 1: easy to sell bar Moore because he's a guy that
Speaker 1: just he doesn't stay blocked very long. He's too powerful,
Speaker 1: he's too active, he moves too well for a guy
Speaker 1: that's you know that size six, four twenties pounds and
Speaker 1: only a Richard sophomore six career starts. You know, there's
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ability they're waiting just to be untapped.
Speaker 1: But I agree with a lot of what Jeff said.
Speaker 1: I'd also point out that defensive tackles a position that
Speaker 1: this team just does not value in the first round.
Speaker 1: They haven't in a long time, and it would be
Speaker 1: against type and a big surprise if they went to
Speaker 1: Barmore in ten. Yeah. I mean, like he's around my
Speaker 1: twentieth to twenty first you know, rated player. It's just
Speaker 1: we're talking about picking tenth the worst case scenario. Like
Speaker 1: I know, there's been like so much chatter on positions
Speaker 1: and stuff. At the worst case scenario, it is just
Speaker 1: you know, busting on a guy who knows that could
Speaker 1: always happen. I think Barmore, the conversation with the Barmore
Speaker 1: should only be about if you trade back, or if
Speaker 1: you put your picks together and trade it up to
Speaker 1: the you know, if you put forty four and seventy
Speaker 1: five together, you know, you can get somewhere in the
Speaker 1: mid twenties, early to mid twenties hopefully, if you maybe
Speaker 1: the Jets say hey we want pick ten, here's pick
Speaker 1: twenty three and thirty four. All right, Well, then we
Speaker 1: can start talking about Barmore. Sure. So that's to me,
Speaker 1: I think it's just I think it's just too early
Speaker 1: right there. At ten, we're in premo position. At ten,
Speaker 1: we lost just enough games just to sneak inside the
Speaker 1: top ten. Now, final question here before we take our
Speaker 1: next break. But Brian asked on Twitter, he said, if
Speaker 1: everyone thinks that Kyle Pitts of course tight end out
Speaker 1: of Florida as a future pro Hall of Famer, how
Speaker 1: can you pass on him at ten? And I feel
Speaker 1: like this is a question right up the alley for
Speaker 1: Jeff Cavanaugh, and he said, why would your team do that?
Speaker 1: And could they trade Jarwin Schultz for anything if they
Speaker 1: decided to do so? That's a good question. I mean,
Speaker 1: if he's going to be a Hall of Famer, why
Speaker 1: not Kyle Pitts at ten? The way you talk yourself
Speaker 1: out of Kyle Pitts, my answer is you don't. You
Speaker 1: can't pass on Kyle pitch. You pick him. If he's available,
Speaker 1: you pick him, and I don't think he'll be available,
Speaker 1: that would be my guest. The only reason I can
Speaker 1: find is because I am a believer in any information
Speaker 1: I can get, and you can build the case of hey,
Speaker 1: let's look at the history of tight ends in the
Speaker 1: NFL draft and what happens when you pick him in
Speaker 1: the first round. But then I also compare that too.
Speaker 1: I'm not here to scout helmets or the history of
Speaker 1: a position. Just because the NFL got it wrong and
Speaker 1: didn't pick Travis Kelsey or George Kittle high enough is
Speaker 1: no reason to miss. If you believe in that Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts is going to be an amazing NFL player, you
Speaker 1: pick him. It doesn't matter. I don't care what helmet
Speaker 1: sticker you wear. I don't care what the listed position
Speaker 1: is and the history of NFL teams picking them. Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts is one of the five or six best players
Speaker 1: in the draft. If you have the opportunity to pick
Speaker 1: him at ten, you do because he's the best player.
Speaker 1: It reminds me at the Quintin Nelson conversation a few
Speaker 1: years ago, where he don't generally draft guards in the
Speaker 1: top ten, let alone the top six, where he ended
Speaker 1: up going. But a lot of people, smart people are
Speaker 1: on the league thought he's the best player in the draft.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's I don't think he makes it
Speaker 1: to ten for that reason. He's just one of the
Speaker 1: best players in the draft at regardless of position, and
Speaker 1: those guys you just shouldn't pass on those guys. One
Speaker 1: of those teams is going to be like, we just
Speaker 1: can't pass on him. But if he's there at ten, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be the guy that passes on
Speaker 1: on Kyle Pitts. Yeah, that's that that that would be
Speaker 1: my philosophy towards it. Um Now, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: fair to put the Hall of Fame label on him
Speaker 1: as for a guy that's never suited up in an
Speaker 1: NFL game before. But I think it's an easy guy
Speaker 1: to fall in love with because he's just very unique,
Speaker 1: very rare Kyle Pitts. That Kyle Pitts is aren't just
Speaker 1: walking around, uh and they're just very very rare players.
Speaker 1: And so I'm jumping at the chance to add that
Speaker 1: to my offense. He's going to the Eagles at six.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I mean probably right. You have to. You
Speaker 1: have to maybe maybe or five um yeah, five possibility. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like one of those teams are gonna be like, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna we can't pass the champion. That's too good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't. You can't. You can't narrow it down to
Speaker 1: he plays tight end and tight ends that or picked
Speaker 1: tight haven't done well. What you have to narrow it
Speaker 1: down to is who is he? And the answer is,
Speaker 1: if you're a corner who is six foot tall, you're
Speaker 1: not big enough to cover Kyle Pitts. And if you
Speaker 1: are a human who is six foot two, six foot three,
Speaker 1: six foot four, you're not quick enough to cover Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1: And if you're six foot four and you are quick
Speaker 1: enough to cover Kyle Pitts, I got bad news for you.
Speaker 1: He's gonna outplay you for the ball anyway. Like he's
Speaker 1: a stud, you know, and he's getting better and better
Speaker 1: and better. I mean, we have to remember his trajectory
Speaker 1: and high school he was pretty much basically a blocker,
Speaker 1: all right. He didn't get a chance to show this off,
Speaker 1: and he was a late to tight end. He only
Speaker 1: played tight end his final two years of high school.
Speaker 1: His first year of Florida didn't too much Hit two
Speaker 1: nineteen tape a lot of drops. I still had him
Speaker 1: as my eleven player on the board in August because
Speaker 1: I was so infatuated with this athleticism for so we
Speaker 1: lost day, but he was making a great point on
Speaker 1: exactly what Kyle Pitts and especially whenever it comes to
Speaker 1: picking him at ten. There's a part of me that
Speaker 1: just hopes that Kyle Pitts is not there at ten
Speaker 1: because then the Cowboys don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 1: But also there's a part of me that I mean
Speaker 1: a huge part of me that doesn't want him to
Speaker 1: end up in the NFC East because I don't want
Speaker 1: to have to worry about him twice a year or
Speaker 1: against other teams, and that's my biggest thing. So whenever
Speaker 1: Kates he said six to the Eagles, it makes one
Speaker 1: way too much sense and two scares the living daylights
Speaker 1: out of me. So overall, I would rather not have
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts in that regard, But we're gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and step aside. That was Twitter on the twenty fantastic questions.
Speaker 1: As always, thank you for your support and for your questions.
Speaker 1: Way We got to a lot of them that time.
Speaker 1: I love that. When we come back, though, Kyle Pitts
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Speaker 1: Now once again I want to remind you we are
Speaker 1: switching things up next week in terms of the lineups
Speaker 1: that are between all of us, and I will get
Speaker 1: you those updated shifts whenever I can pull it up
Speaker 1: on my phone. But before then, I want to get
Speaker 1: into Pro Day news and notes and Dane. I mean, really,
Speaker 1: the biggest impressions that were on me whenever it came
Speaker 1: to Pro Day was of course the run from Patrick's
Speaker 1: or Tan on the forty yard dash? Was it an
Speaker 1: official four four six? Is that what the official time was?
Speaker 1: But that was a lot quicker than I was anticipating.
Speaker 1: And then of course J C. Horn and what he
Speaker 1: was able to do at his Pro Day. But were
Speaker 1: there any other pro days or those specifically that stood
Speaker 1: out to you? Those definitely stood out. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think either of those two guys. Maybe they don't
Speaker 1: necessarily played that's consistently, but you know it's I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're uh, you know, speed was
Speaker 1: a little bit of a question. I think they answered
Speaker 1: that obviously, whether or not they actually played at that speed.
Speaker 1: So great to see from both those corners. They cemented
Speaker 1: themselves as you know, top fifteen, top seventeen types type guys.
Speaker 1: M you know other pro days. You know, Penn State's
Speaker 1: going on right now and Jason Oway and Michael Parsons
Speaker 1: are both putting on a show, which to be expected.
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael Parsons is a complete freak, and he
Speaker 1: said that Jason Oway is a bigger freak, and so
Speaker 1: far we've seen it. You know, Parsons looked like he
Speaker 1: was at a four to three H. Jason Oway was
Speaker 1: at a four to three And this is a defensive
Speaker 1: end we're talking about. Sou For those asking why a
Speaker 1: guy was zero sacks is in my first round at
Speaker 1: a pass rusher H, That's exactly why. Because he's a
Speaker 1: physical freak and he's still disruptive in the pocket even
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have those sack numbers. So what Penn
Speaker 1: State's doing right now certainly jumping off the screen at
Speaker 1: man Groundale Moore. Uh, not that anything that he did surprising,
Speaker 1: but all five seven of them, all five to seven,
Speaker 1: and he's I forgot what wade he came in at,
Speaker 1: but surprise, he runs a four two nine and his
Speaker 1: vertical is a million inches. He's a stud athlete, he's
Speaker 1: just timy. Can we talk about a guy that I
Speaker 1: know Jeff likes, but I would say his pro day
Speaker 1: was not excellent. Again, I'm still very skeptical of pro
Speaker 1: day times. I'm never gonna get over that, probably, But
Speaker 1: Shakur Brown, the cornerback at Michigan State. I had him
Speaker 1: at five to ten, measured out at five to nine. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine, ran a four six one. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's really yet. It's not terribly surprising for a
Speaker 1: pro day, I guess. I mean I kind of thought
Speaker 1: I kind of thought were Pro Day at kat Oh.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought he did a science project once
Speaker 1: upon a time where they compared combine in pro day times,
Speaker 1: and if you're going handheld to combine in theory, you
Speaker 1: add about point zero six. So now my guy is
Speaker 1: small and runs maybe a four seven guy, I thought
Speaker 1: he was a I thought he was a four five guy,
Speaker 1: and think he was a four four guy, and then
Speaker 1: you don't think four six one. Yeah, well, the same
Speaker 1: thing at your guy, our Darius Washington running in the
Speaker 1: fourth sixes. That was surprised. I thought you run a
Speaker 1: little bit better than that. So Dane's going after Jeff Well.
Speaker 1: A difference between Brown and Washington is my level of love.
Speaker 1: So with Washington, I don't care because he plays faster
Speaker 1: than any safety in college football. So we're fine. We're
Speaker 1: not worried about him. Brown is going to get dropped.
Speaker 1: It's in a matter of how much you love and
Speaker 1: I love our Darius and nothing can stop us. And
Speaker 1: we are making him Billy Madison style list of everybody
Speaker 1: who's doubting good. I'm glad that's the case. I love that.
Speaker 1: Uh not that we're gonna take any action on the list.
Speaker 1: We just want another one. Knows no. He's been a
Speaker 1: fourth rounder for him in this entire process, and nothing
Speaker 1: has changed for me. He's gonna be the greatest. I
Speaker 1: can't wait till the Cowboys take him in the fourth
Speaker 1: because I love drafting Pro bowlers in the fourth. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be awesome. You'd wait to call up Jeff like
Speaker 1: during weekend and say, hey man, I'm sorry I was
Speaker 1: wrong about our Darius Washington, and then Jeff mark me off.
Speaker 1: Jeff marks me off the list and then put some
Speaker 1: lipstick on. And those are things I do. Those are
Speaker 1: things I do all the time. Now I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 1: Florida State had a Florida State had really fast track
Speaker 1: at their pro day. Uh Sante Samuel ran really well.
Speaker 1: He came at five ten one eighty and he ran
Speaker 1: at four three eight, which is really good to see
Speaker 1: for him. He's under seven seconds and a three cone. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then the pass rushers with Jennarius Robinson, Kane Doe,
Speaker 1: both those guys ran really well. To marry On Terry
Speaker 1: the wide receiver at sixty three two oh seven ran
Speaker 1: the four fours. So Florida State has a pretty good
Speaker 1: showing from their athletes. What does that do for Samuel
Speaker 1: Stock I mean, whenever it comes to him in the corners,
Speaker 1: he's still on the outside looking in of at least
Speaker 1: what we thought was the original top three with Farley,
Speaker 1: certain and Horn, but now with it beating the top two,
Speaker 1: is he sill on the outside looking into the top
Speaker 1: three or is he right on that cup. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised if he goes in the first round. I
Speaker 1: got I got a thing that's happening in my brain
Speaker 1: with corners because I love I'm a visual person, so
Speaker 1: I love like the spider graphs that show you how
Speaker 1: what percentile guys are among prospects. But I have a
Speaker 1: problem with the corner one because we say you're in
Speaker 1: the one hundredth percentile if you're like six foot three,
Speaker 1: Like congrats on being tall, there is a point where
Speaker 1: at corner, I don't think that's helping you. I would
Speaker 1: much rather my corner be six foot than six four.
Speaker 1: So at five that doesn't bother me much other than
Speaker 1: Clemson throwing jump balls on him. I think it's Sante Samuel.
Speaker 1: I don't think his stock for me anyway would move
Speaker 1: because I kind of anticipated five ten four four guy
Speaker 1: and a really good player, and that's what he is.
Speaker 1: Dane might have to go. I'm not sure. If Jeff
Speaker 1: you watched this guy, you give us a little more
Speaker 1: on Chauncey Golston for Maowa because he had outstanding He
Speaker 1: had an outstanding pro day as well over Iowa. Yeah, Now,
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Chauncey Golston. Like if you
Speaker 1: get to the day three, because he's not gonna go
Speaker 1: talk one hundred, I don't think yeah, but you get
Speaker 1: to day three, he'd be one of those defensive linemen
Speaker 1: that I'd be itching to get because he gives you
Speaker 1: inside outside versatility. He plays long, he plays quick, He's
Speaker 1: got an outstanding instincts, uh, you know, for the football,
Speaker 1: and so he's just a well rounded, polished player who
Speaker 1: can start. But I think it's more about the versatility
Speaker 1: he gives you up and down the line. Just a quality,
Speaker 1: quality player who probably more of a role player for
Speaker 1: you on defense, and you know you need those guys,
Speaker 1: you know. So I would absolutely look to target him
Speaker 1: in the fourth or fifth round. You'll get four years
Speaker 1: of cheap NFL football out of him and he will
Speaker 1: play all four of them. M that's good. I like that. Okay, Dan,
Speaker 1: Can you tell me more about Nate Hobbs because when
Speaker 1: you look at his pro day numbers that kind of
Speaker 1: stuck out to me as well. Four three eight unofficial
Speaker 1: on the forty had a six six eight three cone.
Speaker 1: His vital cool was up over forty inches. What can
Speaker 1: you say about the corner from Illinois? Uh, let me
Speaker 1: give you his official um blah blaha five eleven three
Speaker 1: so five eleven three eight, one hundred ninety six pounds. Okay,
Speaker 1: uh four four six and a forty forty and a
Speaker 1: half of her eleven three broad six eight five three cone. Um.
Speaker 1: He's a really really talented player who got in some trouble.
Speaker 1: Was a sophomore year, suspended a few games. He was
Speaker 1: hurt a little bit this past year. But he's athletic
Speaker 1: and he's tough, and I would not be shocked at
Speaker 1: all if he Hobbs got drafted late. Um. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a combined guy. But I think that Teddy did enough
Speaker 1: at his pro day. And that's what pro days pay
Speaker 1: attention to, these pro days at this time of year,
Speaker 1: because this is this is where guys that show out
Speaker 1: and you know, run really well or do something exceptionally well.
Speaker 1: Those guys can get into the draft even though they
Speaker 1: were previously thought of as maybe to be undrafted or
Speaker 1: PFAE type. So Nate Hobbs is one of them. Want
Speaker 1: to be shocked if he sneaks his way into the
Speaker 1: late rounds. Nice. Okay, I saw those numbers and they
Speaker 1: kind of stuck out to be. Now, we talked earlier
Speaker 1: about Jeff having the call or whoever having the call,
Speaker 1: who about our Darius Washington and being wrong or being right.
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a moment to tell Dane once
Speaker 1: again that he was right and that I was wrong,
Speaker 1: because Jaylen Darden had his pro day today and Jaylen Darden,
Speaker 1: the wide receiver out of North Texas, has been my
Speaker 1: pet cat from day one, even before day one, because
Speaker 1: of my allegiance to the Mean Green. However, today he
Speaker 1: ran a forty time after measuring at five to seven
Speaker 1: and a half. He ran a forty time that was
Speaker 1: in the four six four seven range. Still awaiting on
Speaker 1: the official time, but it was much slower than I anticipated.
Speaker 1: Four six four seventh airs me a lot. Jeff Cavanaugh
Speaker 1: on film, he plays fast, he's way faster, but it's seven.
Speaker 1: There's no way he is a baller. Ball yes, don't
Speaker 1: back down. It's a guy baller. He's a baller. I
Speaker 1: don't know that. There's no way. There's no way he's
Speaker 1: a he's not a four sixth athlete. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't blew my mind. There's no one. I saw
Speaker 1: that at that time. That's why you ignore it. You
Speaker 1: gotta trust the tape. Sometimes you just get to throw
Speaker 1: stuff out. You say, no, it's faster than that. I
Speaker 1: don't care. No, he's fat, I mean, but he is
Speaker 1: five to seven and that shows up on the tape.
Speaker 1: Or just a small target, you know, because of that,
Speaker 1: he likes to freelance his routes. Uh, you know, he
Speaker 1: he's just a small target. And for those reasons, I
Speaker 1: think I don't think he goes top one hundred, but
Speaker 1: he's still a quality player who with that speed. I
Speaker 1: mean I get Chicken Grant type of vibes from him.
Speaker 1: So I don't know that. Did he stumble? Did they
Speaker 1: mark off a forty five yard dash? Something's going on there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a he's a I mean, he's a four four
Speaker 1: or five guy. So I'm looking at another tweet, hits.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at another tweet right now. His second forty
Speaker 1: that he ran for first one was in four six
Speaker 1: four seven, and then unofficial in his second was a
Speaker 1: four four six, so much better, but still not as
Speaker 1: fast as I was kind of hoping that would go.
Speaker 1: I thought it'd be like a four. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: put it. He put it in four yards forty four
Speaker 1: instead of the forty straight up. Instead, he ran four
Speaker 1: thirty eight thirty eight yards the next time out, as
Speaker 1: Brian brought us would love to say, but hey, four
Speaker 1: four six is a lot strong winds. Well, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah. They got even tea and always the
Speaker 1: best at kind of you know, measuring thing. Stop the numbers, chill.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come and fight you, mister Acu're gonna figure
Speaker 1: it out. We both got to win in the tournament.
Speaker 1: Just be happy, Okay, goodness, graz we did it. We did.
Speaker 1: We're in music in art school. We've never said, hey, human,
Speaker 1: come here for a math. I would say where a podcast.
Speaker 1: That's not the case either, But that's gonna do it
Speaker 1: for us here on the Draft Show. Glad you've been
Speaker 1: with us here over the last hour. Once again, I
Speaker 1: hope you learned something investigating and educating with us. But
Speaker 1: we'll be back on Tuesday, completely different set of guys Tuesday, Brian, Dane, Jeff.
Speaker 1: That'll be a lot of fun with those guys. And
Speaker 1: so you can get you can get Katie with Bucky
Speaker 1: and Dave on Thursday. So if you want more Kat.
Speaker 1: He'll be next Thursday as well, the normal time for
Speaker 1: mister Kevin kat Turner, but tearn Bucky up on running backs.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. This is gonna be fun. We'll
Speaker 1: switch it up every week from here until the Draft,
Speaker 1: and then we'll be back to the normal cruise whenever
Speaker 1: it's the week of the draft, but until then for
Speaker 1: Jeff Kavanaugh, for Kevin kat Turner, Dane Brugler, and of
Speaker 1: course Chris being back in studio. I'm Kyle Yomen. Thanks
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