WEBVTT - Draft Show: Cornerback's Stand Outs 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:10.440 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:14.200 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:18.080 within the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:25.320 Dallas Cowboys like DD Lamb and now your hosts Dane Brugler, 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:31.640 Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner, and Kyle Yeomans. We are just 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.720 over a month away from the NFL Draft. Thirty five 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:40.000 days remain until Cleveland, Ohio becomes the center of the 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.919 NFL world and becomes well, of course, the center of 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.720 the NFL drafting. We are at the Dallas Cowboys dot 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.040 Com Draft Show, investigating and educating for all of you 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.000 out there about these draft prospects, about what the Cowboys 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.760 might do, and of course the updates that come along 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.160 as well, and we've got plenty of them with pro 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:01.120 days and injury news and all sorts of things that 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.520 we've hit on Tuesday. But I do want to get 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:07.119 the thought process on these three as well. Dave Burglar, Kevin, 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.480 Katie Turner, We've got Jeff cavanaughm Kyle Joman's glad you're 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:12.600 with us, and well, Jeff, I want to talk to 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:14.640 you first about this because I just feel like you 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:16.760 would have a great answer to it. But I do 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.160 want to hit the Caleb Farley news again with the 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.800 back surgery. Wanted to get your take on it really quickly. 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.720 We won't go in depth on this, but what does 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:28.160 the back surgery do and the injury? Who's coming out 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:34.160 about Caleb Farley due to his draft stock on your board? Well, 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:35.960 for me, and I think Dani will probably be able 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.000 to speak to for the NFL better, but for me personally, 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.000 I would immediately eliminate. Like we're talking about a top 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.320 ten pick and a guy who didn't play last year 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.440 and even without playing last year, had to have a 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.480 repeat of something to relieve back pain. I'm terrified at back, 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.680 so I'm terrified and next so for me, Caleb Farley 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:54.440 just became a guy that I'll keep my eye on 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:56.480 it and see what my doctors think and then tell 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:58.200 me if he falls all the way to forty four 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.880 because of it. And seeing some of the national guys 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.360 still mocking him in the top ten or twelve and 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:06.760 saying they don't think it's a big deal. I don't 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.320 know if that's a reflection of the NFL. But for me, 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:13.120 out like me, we're talking JC Horn and Patrick Certan 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.240 as your corner options at number ten, and Caleb Farley 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.760 is out of there. That's just me. But he's out 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:23.360 of there, out of there. By well, he's gonna fall, 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:27.799 I mean that he has to, unfortunately, and it's it's 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:31.480 really too bad. The timing of this is interesting. Um, 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.200 he has not played um since last season, so having 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:37.760 this procedure, now, what does that tell you? Tells you 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.560 something happened right, you know, weight training or just his 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:45.239 his workout. Something happened recently that is causing the timing 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:49.400 to be now. And that's that's that's a little troublesome. Um, 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:52.880 it's his second back procedure. Um. And this is also 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.359 a guy that has an ACL tear in college, So 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.360 factor in all the medical things and I just it's 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:02.200 tough to see him going in the top twenty, top 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.480 twenty five. I mean, that's just my guess. There might 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:08.320 be a team that has a much much more of 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.840 an appetite for risk and are willing willing to take 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.560 that chance. Um. So you never say never, but when 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.400 you just factor in everything, I would be surprised if 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:21.080 he goes uh, you know, at that high talking about 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.240 in the top half a round and one. So UM, 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.680 I don't I don't have a good answer in terms 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:27.359 of where he's gonna go because each team's going to 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.280 do it differently, each medical staff is going to speak 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.760 on it differently. We just, you know, talking to the 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:35.920 conversations I've had with people around the league about it, 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.280 they've all kind of shrugged their shoulders and said, we 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:39.960 just gotta wait and see, just gotta wait and see. 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.840 Um and a lot of them said that he should 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.160 be able to rehab fine and play. But then the 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.360 question becomes, Okay, well, when's when's the next thing pop up? 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.880 You know, when when when's that next thing? And Kyle, 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:54.600 let me just throw this in because you asked, like, 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.560 what does it do on your board? Because I don't 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.320 believe in, I don't believe in what the Cowboys do 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.320 with injured guys because we I interviewed Will McClay about 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.200 this one time, about the Jalen Smith pick, and he 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:07.760 told me, like, we put the guys on the board 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.240 where their talent dictates. So like Jalen Smith was in 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:12.120 the first round for them, and then when they get 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.840 to the second round, they go, oh, remember now this guy, 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:16.720 Now what should we do with him, and I think 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:22.680 that's dead wrong. So for me personally, I'm just assuming 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.920 exactly what Dane said about Caleb Farley, right, that he's 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:27.800 gonna have something done to his back, and now that's 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.359 two he's had the knee. But I'm gonna assume that 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.200 team doctors are saying, hey, he's gonna be all right, 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.200 he's gonna play football and it's gonna be all good. Right, 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:39.000 And given that he is now my cornerback seven, wow, 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.200 that's where I put him. I put him. I put 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.120 him behind the guys that I feel really good about, 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:48.599 Horn Certan Newsome, Kelvin, Joseph Vasante, Samuel, Elijah Molden, and 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.240 then I'll bet on Farley. Now I bet NFL team 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.320 somebody's gonna take him higher than that. But that's what 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:57.400 I would do because the other six guys, well, I 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.760 guess Kelvin, Joseph, you have other concerns and so man, 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.279 you wouldn't be you wouldn't be there with me. But 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.360 that's what I would do, is I would put him 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.240 right behind the group of corners that I feel really 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.360 good about as top forty picks, and then I'll put 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.720 Farley in. I put him a cornerback four myself, so 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.080 same type of deal. I think cornerbacks I feel really 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.200 good about, which is Certan Horne Newsome And then I 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.800 put Farley, So sorry, Katie, go ahead, Well no, no, no, 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.279 this is this is where I think, like historical context 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.760 is a little interesting to me because I couldn't find 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.839 like that back injury situation specifically, But I thought of 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.840 the Eagles drafting Sydney Jones after the Achilles hit, that 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:40.760 would pick forty three. The other one I thought of 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.479 was that you didn't work out, which did not work 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:45.680 out at all, right, And the other one I thought 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.360 of was I would say probably hasn't worked out very 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.520 well either is if you remember Reggie Ragland, Yeah that 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.880 was a hard thing, but that was still a second 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.159 round you know pick used like for some reason teams 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.720 are willing to spend on the second round on those 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.160 type things. And again I haven't done the full you know, 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:07.160 injury historical thing on that, but like those two immediately 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.080 came to mind when I thought about this, and immediately went, well, 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:11.680 he's there for you at forty five, And I think 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:15.640 that is the question I'm with Jeff, like my third 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:19.920 corner going in was. I mean, my fourth corner before 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.560 all this happened was Eric Stokes. Well, I will take 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.120 Eric Stokes before I take Caleb Farley. I think I would. 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.480 Newsome was next. I will take Newsome way before I 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.960 take Caleb Farley. Asante Samuel, I would take him before 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.040 I took Caleb Farley. Elijah Molden, I would take him 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:38.360 before I get to Caleb Farley. The line that I 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:42.800 got to was Aaron Robinson, Melifon, move, Kelvin Joseph. That's 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:44.600 where I go. You know what, I would probably still 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.800 take Farley over those guys. You know the thing is too, 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.760 it's not black and white. We can learn more about 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.080 us back in the coming month too. No, that's a 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:56.280 good point. One the other another example Montez Sweat two 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.159 years ago, Remember he had the heart issue, and you 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.280 know we were thinking, okay, was he gonna fall to 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:06.000 the sixth round like the Michigan defensive tackle did uh? 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.600 You know what, right, Maurice Hurst? What was Montes Sweat 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:11.480 gonna go? H And he ends up still going in 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.360 the first round, late first round, and so far that's 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.840 worked out. Okay. He's been a solid to very good 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.240 player for Washington. So you know, that's an example of 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.720 the flip side where the issues, the doubt, the risk 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.360 was there with uh, you know, I'm talking about medically 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.480 and you know worked out okay for the Washington football team. 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.880 Supposed to be a mid July return according to Drew 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.320 Rosenhouse for Caleb Farley, So that could potentially give these 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:38.960 teams a little bit of hope. I wrote about that 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.760 yesterday on the website, but Dane, I want to put 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:44.280 you on the spot here a little bit. And Katie 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.040 made a great point. We're still going to learn about 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:49.600 this back surgery and specifics about the medicals as we 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.800 get up in the final month of this draft. However, 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:54.760 if you had to put a percentage on it, what 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.200 is a percentage that Farley does fall to forty four 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.720 for the Cowboys? That's the first question. Second question is 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.240 would they consider taking him at forty four if they 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.600 wanted to either double dip at corner or if they 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:11.160 didn't take a corner in the first round. You know, 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.200 I don't know, I really don't, because it's just there 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.800 have been times when I thought, no way that Cowboys 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.840 are gonna draft this guy, or because of injuries and 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.560 they've had him on the board other times. You know, 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.560 I've I did not. I wasn't aware of a more 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.480 serious issue, and the Cowboys didn't have him on the 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.160 board because of that. He was a box player for them, 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.160 So you know, it's it's hard to say because each 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.120 one of these medical things are so different from team 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:38.400 to team. I would say it's more unlikely than likely 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.760 that Kayleb Farley is there at forty four. I think 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.280 he I think he still goes somewhere top forty. That's 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.840 that would be my bet at this point, just based 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:49.560 on what we know. But like KT said, we're going 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:53.160 to learn more and more, you know, and there's there's 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:54.439 a lot of the medical stuff that needs to be 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.880 hashed out. But I would say it's more like, I 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.560 don't know, eighty twenty, he goes somewhere and top forty 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.960 picks okay, good, good enough. And that's just my guest, 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.040 no informal guests, based off of what we know this 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.240 very second. And that's and can I add to that, 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:13.720 because I wonder what part of your question was, would 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.280 you double dip with him at forty four? And I 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.520 think I would. I think I'd be more scared of 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.360 having if you didn't go corner first and then Farley 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.360 falls your lap, I'd be more scared of that because 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.240 now you're relying on him to be that dude, and 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.080 I would much rather have him be kind of a 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.120 bonus where you're like, man, this could really be awesome, 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.880 but we also picked a different guy almost like I 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.880 hope they do it free safety. I hope they signed Kazy, 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.080 and I hope they pick a guy in the first 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.200 three rounds so that they feel good about the spot. 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.559 I would not want to pick Caleb Farley at forty 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.640 four if I hadn't picked a corner, or if I did, 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.640 I would say, okay, now pick another one. Now, let's 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:53.640 talk about those corners that we could pick on the 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.840 front end of that double dip, and that's Patrick Zutan 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.240 And I guess J. C. Horn is now in that conversation. Well, 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:01.760 I mean, this is a guy we've talked about for 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:05.760 quite some time. I mean we've all been very adamant 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.480 about having him at least in the top three conversation. 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.560 Now he's in the top two conversation or is he 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.320 maybe even cornerback one? Jeff, I know you put that 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.280 in our group tax is that something that you actually believe? 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.679 Do you think Horns better than certain because you wouldn't 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.480 be alone in that fact. Yeah. And I think the 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.880 more and longer I do this, the less I kind 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.319 of get dug in on like this guy over this 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.600 guy and this guy. It's more about to me kind 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.160 of the scouting report versus the exactly how you have 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.600 him stacked. But I love Jase Horne. I love the 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.640 way that he plays. I think you're comparing two guys 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.880 that are three year starters in the SEC that have 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.320 been really good football players, and it's just a matter 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.680 of sort of preference. But my preference is Jac Horne. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.200 I think Sir Tan's rock solid. It pretty much everything. 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.920 I think if you wanted to compare floors, I think 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.640 I would probably feel a little bit safer with Sir Tan. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.079 But to me, there's a lot of appeal that j. C. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.880 Horne is. A guy gets off the bus or plane 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.360 or however they travel, and the coach goes, hey, that's 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.839 their best guy, and Jac says, got you, coach. If 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:08.679 he lines up at tight end, he's mine. If he's 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:10.400 in the slot, he's mine. If he's on the right, 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.360 the left, he's mine. That's that you know, that is 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.600 JC Horne. I think it's I think it's pretty clear 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.960 who both of them are at this point where you say, Okay, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.840 Patrick Curtan, you have one question, and that one question 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.120 is and they neither one of them did the shuttles. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.959 But like with Patrick Curtan, how good are we at 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:35.559 the speed and the quickness in short spaces and adjustments 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.240 and makeup? That's the one question. And with j C. Horne, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:40.640 the one question is can I get you to stop 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:45.040 grabbing on literally every play? So like, and that's who 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.680 they are. And I like the guy who's who covers 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:49.520 guys no matter where they go. I like the guy 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:51.800 that's going to annoy a wide receiver or tight end 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.959 all day. So yeah, I'm Jase Horne for me is 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.960 cornerback one. And I think if you picked either one 0:11:57.960 --> 0:11:59.800 of those guys at ten, you've made a fine pick. 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.520 I think you could, you know, really make a strong 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.240 argument for either one of these players. And I think, 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:09.920 you know what Jeff, I agree with a lot of 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.439 what Jeff just said in terms of Curtain having the 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.200 higher floor. You just have a better idea of what 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.120 he brings. You wish he had a little better twitch, 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.920 but he just that's not his game. He's not the 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.840 most twitchy player. But I love with certain just how 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:27.000 the game slows down for him and how controlled he plays. 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:31.559 I'm taking that guy ten times out of ten. Now, 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.559 I still really like jac Horne, but you know how 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:41.160 overaggressive he plays. I mean, just a flag magnet five 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.880 penalties in seven games this past year in twenty twenty. 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.920 He just that's his game. Now, I'd rather have a 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.120 guy like that and try to bring him back and 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.120 add more discipline to his game as opposed to a 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.719 guy that you try to crank up and be more aggressive. 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:00.240 So you know, I'm still fine with j. C. Horne there. Um, 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.720 but you know this is a player that, uh, he's 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.720 not a great tackler. Way too many miss tackles. That 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:08.840 bothered me a little bit. For a guy that's as 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.920 as aggressive as he is the ball, he just throws 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.200 his body around. He's like, he's not a free tackle. 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.520 He's just not a good tackler. Right, He'll drop his 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.640 eyes and just throw his body around. That's exactly what 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:20.800 he does. Um. And then I didn't love the body 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.040 or the ball production. Both his picks came in one 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.960 game and then the other what twenty nine games he 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.160 had zero picks. Um. You know, solid in terms of 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.040 pass breakups, but not the best ball production for a 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.160 player you're considering in the top ten. Um. But you know, 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.480 I do really like j C. Horne. Um. You know, Hey, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:44.040 Mike McCarthy at one time coached his dad. So a 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.839 little bit of a connection there, Uh, family connection, I 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.880 don't know. I mean that's how that's how he picks 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.760 his backup quarterbacks is which guy has his family known 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.120 from middle school? So I think fans would be I 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.640 think fans would be appalled. That's some of the the 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:03.559 net atism and some of the you know, different connections 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.120 that led to some draft picks and hirings and all that. 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:10.120 So it's it's kind of crazy all that stuff is relevant. No, 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:16.040 I would just say go ahead, no, no, go for KT. Well, 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.880 I'll be quick. I was just saying for me the discussion, Like, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:21.560 I mean, I'm Jeff's been on this for a month 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.160 and Daniel might have been on this for a month 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.200 of talking like we should be talking about Horn at ten. 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.880 To me, at ten, j C. Horn is still a 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:31.600 bit of a reach. But that doesn't mean I hate 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:33.640 the guy, you know, Like I still like the player, 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.560 he's just he's my seventeenth overall player and he was 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.440 eighteen before the Farley thing happened. So it's still a 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:41.840 little bit of like, what are you doing at ten? 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.840 And sir Tan is a little safer, uh the thing 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:50.160 that bothers me. And I'm a bit of kind of 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.600 contradicting myself here because Farley's not some great tackle or anything. 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.480 And I really love Farley's day, but I've really tried 0:14:56.480 --> 0:15:00.560 to prioritize tackling after a few things. One being real 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:04.440 high on Grant Delpit from LSU. Two that whole Bill 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.920 Belichick and Nick Saban documentary on HBO, Like, hey, I'm 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:09.560 not going to ignore what these guys are saying at 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:11.680 this documentary. And the first thing they talk about when 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.560 looking for a defender, especially a defensive back, is can 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:18.560 they tackle? And cur Tan has like foundational skills as 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.160 a tackler. You do not see that with J. C. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.880 Horne and you don't always see him doing a good 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.920 job of getting off blocks on the outside and things 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.200 like that. Oh yeah, I like Jac Horne a lot. 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:33.040 I just at ten, if sur Tan is there I'll 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.680 do it if Sir Tan is not there. I'm happy 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:38.600 to pick Horn at ten, but I need to know 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:40.760 what else is there, because that would not be my 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.640 number one option. I can guarantee you that he will 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.720 not be my number one option at pick ten, he 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:47.840 will not be the highest ranked player on my board. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.640 With that being said, and with the Farley news coming out, initially, 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:53.960 whenever J. C. Horne's name was brought up, he was 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.840 brought up in a trade back scenario. He was brought 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.760 up as a person you can maybe fall back in 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:01.560 the draft, go to the late teens, and hope he 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.560 falls to you. How likely is that now, because he's 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.600 going to be the second corner taken off the board 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.280 most likely. I don't want to put in absolutes right now, 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.080 of course, because it's the NFL Draft, but he's probably 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.160 going to be the second corner off the board. So 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.920 does it make it less likely or at least less 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:18.920 far you would have to drop in order to keep 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.520 him on your board, Katie, if you wanted him to 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:27.000 be in your lappets, let's say in the late teams, Well, yeah, 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.120 I think that's what teams might be coming up for now. 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.080 Is cornerback one. What if teams have certain is their 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:35.120 clear cornerback one, that might be something you come up for. 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.400 Rashawn Slater might be something you come up for. Kyle 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.640 Pitts might be something you come up for, or one 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.640 of the quarterbacks, and maybe maybe one of the top 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.160 three wide receivers. But I probably feel less certain about 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.760 that given how many you know, how much wide receiver 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.400 depth there is, But that might be there. That's where 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.640 some of the action might be, or the idea that 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:56.960 some teams go, I gotta get ahead of Dallas. Dallas 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.400 might want to take a cornerback at ten. Let me 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.080 jump up to nine where Denver is and get there. 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.639 And Denver, I think very well could take a corner 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.480 I don't know if signing Ronald Darby stops them. I 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:11.120 don't know if getting Kyle Fuller stops them completely from 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.720 getting a cornerback. They might still get some of that 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.439 action with Fangio as the head coach. So like, I 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.680 think that's a possibility, But you know, I think Denver 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:20.920 could also get the heck out of there. So I like, 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:26.040 to me, it's ideally, like, is it an ideal situation 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.680 to trade back? But I've said it a million times. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.200 You guys know it, Like, look, you can't guarantee the 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.159 phone's gonna ring. They wanted the phone to ring when 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:37.040 they picked Jaalen Smith. True phone didn't ring. I don't. 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:41.200 You don't trade back with the specific goal of landing 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.440 jac Horn. You trade back with a group of three 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:48.359 or four names that you're comfortable with. Maybe Jacy Horns 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:52.159 at the top of that list, but you're equally comfortable 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:56.280 with a Greg Newsome or you know whoever else. Because 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:59.040 I think if you're trading back, you're gonna be disappointed 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.439 because that'd be a good chans Jasey Horns off the 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.040 board by the time you're picking, and corner is too 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.680 premiere a position to play games with that you if 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.680 you like him, you pick him, even if you think, 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.480 oh man, this is four spots earlier. I wish I 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.960 could pick him at fifteen or six. Pick him. It's 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.200 it's too important a position. Yeah, especially whenever it's these 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.880 top prospects and you're you're splitting hairs back and forth 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:20.960 to try and figure out who is who and where 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:22.840 they rank. Yeah. No, I'm right there with you, Jeff. 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.000 I think that's a great way to put it. I mean, now, honestly, 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.280 BPA is still going to be an offensive player. We 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:30.399 don't have to acknowledge that. But BPA is still going 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:32.920 to be an offensive player. It's true. Does this make 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:35.000 it just real quickly before we go onto Twitter on 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:37.040 the twenty, But does this make it more likely that 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:41.600 the restons later is the pick outside of certain or Horn. 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.200 I think, and I could be wrong. I think they're 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:50.040 realistic board. We're being realistic here, we're rolling out that's 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:51.919 it's not fun to rule out wide receivers. But just 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.720 for the sake of this conversation, I think their board 0:18:55.359 --> 0:19:03.080 is seul certain Slater wow, pits Wow. So you have 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:09.240 certain above Slater? Yes, okay, I mean that's what I 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.600 think they would do. I've got Slater graded quite a 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:14.840 bit higher than Okay, you're talking in the shoes of 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:19.639 the Cowboys front office. You just put Kyle Pitts behind 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.480 three other humans. That's what they would do. I don't 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:26.640 have him there. He's my third grand player. I think 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.359 they would. I think they would do that. Kyle Puts 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.480 is gonna be in a Marvel movie one day because 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:35.240 he's a superhero with superpowers. You'd be nice to no 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:39.360 no CG I needed Yeah, right, does all his own 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:44.359 stunts exactly here, and cow Pits runs a post corner 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:49.119 and dunks on his head. Uh wow, Okay, my mind's 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:54.520 taking me places now. So what the Cowboys? I mean, 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:56.600 we don't know what they're board's gonna look like. But 0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:00.640 I do think that JC Horn essentially probably replaced is Farley, 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:06.080 But we don't know, you know, where Slater and Pits 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.919 and the corners where they fall in terms of, you know, 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.680 what they want. I think, you know, it's it's it's 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.040 tough to know that. I mean, at this point, what 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:18.080