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Speaker 1: ESPN dot com or just esp both? Yeah? Oh wow,

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Speaker 1: he's multimedia. And when you know you're old when they

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Speaker 1: tell you you're a senior writer, Yes, Jeff leg Wald,

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Speaker 1: formerly of the Tennessee. And what were your years at

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Speaker 1: the Tennessee at UH ten years? Okay? What were you

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Speaker 1: was my first season at the Tennessee? M So I did?

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Speaker 1: I did two of the lame Duck years in Houston. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I would go to Houston four days a week. But

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Speaker 1: you were specifically hired to cover the NFL. They didn't

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Speaker 1: have anybody who had ever covered the NFL before. And

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Speaker 1: where were you before this? Before I came to Nashville,

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Speaker 1: I was in Rochester, New York, covering the Bills. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you came to Nashville at that point to cover

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Speaker 1: the team. What do you remember about first hearing Nashville

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Speaker 1: was going to get a team. Well, I you know,

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Speaker 1: at that point they were only thinking about it when

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Speaker 1: they hired me. It was sort of a hopeful. They

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Speaker 1: And then Bud went to the Wild Horse Saloon on

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Speaker 1: that August night in ninety five and sort of they

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Speaker 1: you remember about meeting Bud Adams for the first time?

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Speaker 1: Just you know, I had met him when I covered

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Speaker 1: the Steelers way back in the early nineties. I had

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Speaker 1: gone to owners meetings and he was always he was

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Speaker 1: one of the owners who would always he didn't go

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Speaker 1: like looking for interviews like some guys do, but if

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Speaker 1: you stopped him, he would talk to you about anything.

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Speaker 1: And he had been around for you know, at the time,

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Speaker 1: him before, but that's when you started covering the team.

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Speaker 1: He paid attention to everything. He saw, everything, he read, everything,

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Speaker 1: would talk Oh, yeah, and he would let you know

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Speaker 1: if he did not agree with you or phrasing. But Jeff,

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Speaker 1: he would always and eventually got this way with your

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Speaker 1: buddy Jim White, our friend Jim White. But he would

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Speaker 1: always talk to you more than anybody else. I really

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Speaker 1: was fortunate. For whatever reason, he would say, hey, walk

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Speaker 1: was all over the road. He drove this giant hit

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was all He used every single lane

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Speaker 1: I think he took the most heat during the transition,

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Speaker 1: He he fought him on the name change, and they,

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Speaker 1: It really was, and now we're all reaping the benefits

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Speaker 1: hundred eighty five times. But that attitude was not Lamar Hunt.

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Speaker 1: That attitude was Bud Adams. He's the one Lamar Hunt formed.

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Speaker 1: It deserves all the credit, but mister Adams drove the whole.

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Speaker 1: and they said Lamar Hunt said, don't do that because

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Speaker 1: really does. He would end a lot of arguments in

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Speaker 1: and but he should be and you know it definitely.

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Speaker 1: dealt with him. You know, I can honestly say I

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Speaker 1: still haven't. Pat Boland was the closest I've dealt with

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Speaker 1: as far as I'm gonna do whatever I'm gonna do.

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Speaker 1: And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, okay, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I mean, that really is. I didn't find any oil,

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Speaker 1: back to Bud Adams qualifications. To me, and I know

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Speaker 1: about everything that that that happened. And then when I

428
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Speaker 1: was in Arizona, I mean, there was two propositions that

429
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Speaker 1: failed failed, I mean completely failed, and the last one

430
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 1: passed by fifty point seven percent or whatever. So I mean,

431
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: I I feel that. But to me to hear these

432
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: stories about that, I mean, and you go back and

433
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: mister Adams was just persistent. He was persistent with it,

434
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: you know. But and then I'm glad you at all.

435
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: I'm glad you had better if it doesn't pass. Nowhere

436
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: to go internally his internally, his staff had told him

437
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 1: to go to Baltimore. Right, that's what the deal. The

438
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 1: deal was. Everybody advised him. Steve Underwood has said it.

439
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: Everybody they advised him go to Baltimore. That's what I said.

440
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: He didn't like people telling them a lot. I don't

441
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: care about your charts. That's what he told me one time.

442
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: But see, you gotta admire that. I mean, you really do.

443
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: And you talk about Jeff Fish or what he went through,

444
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: I mean my life as a coach, so I could.

445
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of all the obstacles that you're putting

446
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: out there trying to get ready to play a game.

447
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,239
Speaker 1: But for the owner to say, no, I'm doing it

448
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: like this and this is what we're doing. Well. The

449
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: thing too, is when he they were close to camp

450
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: one year and didn't know where they were going to

451
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 1: have camp and it was like three weeks out, and

452
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: that's you know, the conference calls legendary. But on the

453
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,959
Speaker 1: conference call with Floyd and everybody in the building, I

454
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: can't say it the way he said it, but essentially

455
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: the question was, would someone please tell me where training

456
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: camp is going to be? H. He didn't phrase it

457
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: like that, but that's it's just that kind of stuff

458
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: was was crazy and amazing. I'm sorry they stayed with it.

459
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: They made it work. Wells had no choice. They were

460
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: all in to all in. They were you know, Lee

461
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: Trevino often talks about you know, people say, how'd you

462
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: learn how to play under pressure? And he was like, well,

463
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: I didn't have any money, and I had bet money.

464
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: I didn't have you know, he had to win. Yeah,

465
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, he's told us in a lot of ways,

466
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: on a multi million dollars scale, that's what budd did.

467
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: They had no place to go. The league was furious,

468
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: the referendums maybe, and his team is all over in

469
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: like three cities. They had people working in Memphis, and

470
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: I mean they're all over the place. It's what's like

471
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: the day he announced the new name. Yeah, it was

472
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: a Saturday, and they told him, they said, don't do

473
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: it today, mister Adams, because we were playing Pittsburgh the

474
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: next day at Vanderbilt. But they told this in mister Adams,

475
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: this is not a good idea. Because Tennessee is playing Arkansas.

476
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: Tennessee's the number one team in the country. Arkansas maybe

477
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: had lost one game. It's a massive game. So everybody's

478
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: got their media CRUs going to Knoxville. It's an afternoon

479
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: it's not even a night game. It's an afternoon game.

480
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: So and they're telling him. So I'm standing by, They're like,

481
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: we want you to introduced, mister Adams. I'm like, well,

482
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: is this really gonna happen? Oh? Yeah, it was really

483
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: gonna have to walk in before that. He goes, watch this.

484
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I promise. But the media swarm was

485
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: not what you thought it would. He was mad, Yeah,

486
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 1: he was mad. And they had told him, Look, all

487
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: the TV stations are in Knoxville, all the news, the

488
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: columnists and everything or in Knoxville. The people who cover

489
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: you will be here, but it will not be as

490
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: big as what you want it to be because Tennessee,

491
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Speaker 1: I don't care, you know. That's what That's what he said.

492
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: And they told me, they said this may or may

493
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: not happen, and I said, I'm coming in any way.

494
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think it's happening. Yeah, I think. I

495
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: think what they should have done is told him to

496
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: do it, and then he would have played. Should have said.

497
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,959
Speaker 1: They should have said, whatever you do, don't do it

498
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: any other day. So it always worked for him in

499
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: the end, it worked for I think that's why he

500
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: did it. He thought he would get away with it,

501
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: like he thought it would work. He didn't. He didn't

502
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: care how far he pushed it or But Mike brought

503
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: up the referendum, and I you remember the night that

504
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: they did the big deal up at the courthouse downtown

505
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: and it was that the night of the voter, when

506
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: it was very close to the voter. Yeah, I think

507
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: you're right. I think it was because if I was

508
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: doing a remote broadcast, we had Oiler's tight end Roderick Lewis.

509
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: Rod Lewis and I were doing hits on the radio.

510
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: It was a big deal. They had you know, the searchlights,

511
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: you know, and they had rented the whole deal. And

512
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: it was raised your thin how this thing could have it?

513
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: I can tell you guys. Now, I used to you know,

514
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: I might be a smart alec from time to time.

515
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 1: But I told Budd I wasn't registered to vote. He was,

516
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: so he let it. He just lost it. He's like,

517
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: are you gonna vote? Yes? I said I'm not registered,

518
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: and I was registered, of course, but he just you

519
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: just did that for fun. I just wow, you have

520
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: a lot of guts. Yeah, he does. The night I

521
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: did that the night before the referendum, so he was

522
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: already on edge. Mike. He said, he's got a lot

523
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: of guts. I've been around Legs for a lot of girls.

524
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: I found my vote yes button not too long ago.

525
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: Did you still have it? There's another reason Legs does

526
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: stuff like that. It's because he's not a nice person. Okay,

527
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: So I want to I want to. I want to

528
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: talk some Broncos that you were in Denver and you

529
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: cover the Broncos. But I want to end this segment

530
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: with this. In July, the Titans are going to are

531
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: going to unveil oilers, uniforms, nice so that that they're

532
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: gonna and there he I know he would be ecstatic,

533
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: and Amy Adam Strunk is ecstatic and it's all it's

534
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 1: all something else but have his favorite party. I sit

535
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: here looking at the logo he when they he showed

536
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: me this logo before they unveiled it, and he's like,

537
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: what do you think? And he loved the blue specifically

538
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: told not to do Yeah, I can say that. At

539
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: the Vanderbilt Plaza Hotel when the NFL guys, he told

540
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: me a lot of things he was supposed to say.

541
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: I know, but That's why he loved you. He would

542
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: tell you stuff. But how much does it shock you

543
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: that people are so excited about this? Now considering twenty

544
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: five years ago, how the community felt about the Oiler's logo,

545
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: and how was it with thrilled mister Adams. I had

546
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: an unlisted number. I was getting calls at home from people.

547
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: So you have to stop writing about this. It's never

548
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: gonna happen. There's no oil in Tennessee. Why are you

549
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 1: getting why are you getting people's hopes up? And you know,

550
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: and I was just covering the story. I wasn't getting

551
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: people's hopes up. But I honestly was getting calls from

552
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: people I didn't know at home. It was me, like,

553
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: you don't disguise your voice very well. Hello, No, you

554
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: would yell. You would get like in touchdown mode. You know,

555
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: there are no flags on the fields. Okay, there's no

556
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: oil in Tennessee. But but people, well, he wanted to

557
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: name them the Cherokees. Well, I know, and he also

558
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: liked Pioneers too. After later Pioneers thought that great, he

559
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: had a logo. Did you ever see the Pioneer logod?

560
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: It was brutal, Yeah, it was. It was weird looked,

561
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: I told him, and I blurted this out, and I

562
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, it happens to me. I just say stuff sometimes.

563
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: I told him, I said, that looks like some kind

564
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: of logging company. And he was so mad at me.

565
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: He was furious. Wow. Yeah, he showed me. He was like,

566
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: what do you think of that? That looks like some

567
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: kind of logging coming you put it on a truck

568
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: and chopping trees down. He would be so thrilled right now.

569
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: He would be so proud of Amy for it. It

570
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: would be very amazing, the fact that she's running the team,

571
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: and I mean, it'd be it blows mind. It would

572
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: be interesting to watch. It's hard to believe that at

573
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: this point, twenty five years ago, that that could have

574
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: even been possible because Tennessee and so wanted their own name.

575
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: They were vehement about it. It was like ninety five five.

576
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: And he wasn't for a long time listening to that.

577
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: He wouldn't just not listening, But eventually he did. Yeah,

578
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: but he got to keep the history of the franchise eventually,

579
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, I think deep down and he sort of

580
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: alluded to it a few times. I think the whole

581
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: way the Memphis thing unraveled, and the timing was horrible

582
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: because they had just been shunned right that same year,

583
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: ninety five, they're shunned in the expansion. You know, Jacksonville,

584
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: Carolina start playing in ninety five, so it's pretty much

585
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: a reminder of you didn't get the team. And so

586
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: the timing of it was bad on the Memphis end

587
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: of it for people there locally, and it just it

588
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: just it was like it took so long to get

589
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: any momentum. And I'm not sure what it looks like

590
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: if they don't go to the super Bowl and ninety nine,

591
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: I'll always be intrigued. That's why the miracle play and

592
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: the run to Indianapolis and the and beating Jacksonville, all

593
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: of that that twenty two days span it was. It's

594
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: the most important twenty two days in the franchise. It's

595
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: not even close. It's not even close now if they

596
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: don't go and in the season doesn't unfold the way

597
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: it does. It was like momentum as the year went on,

598
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: because they kept winning and getting better and they kept

599
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: beating Jacksonville. You know what was the fun Jacksonville's only

600
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: losses that year were to the to the Titans. But

601
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: you know it's if they don't go all the way

602
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. I don't think they sort of

603
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: get all the converts and today a new stadiums on

604
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, which is that's where's it going to

605
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: be in the parking lots closest to the interstates, so right, yeah,

606
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: so where I would park? Where you would park? Yeah?

607
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: Now you can't. I can't, all right, And ain't the

608
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 1: first time they've not allowed me to park somewhere. This

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615
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Speaker 1: is now entering his twentieth season in Denver covering the Broncos.

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Speaker 1: You've done it for a variety of people. You work

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Speaker 1: for ESPN. Now the reaction to the Sean Payton hire

618
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Speaker 1: Before I asked that what was the truth in all

619
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: the rumors about Demco? Ryan Demiko Ryan's turning down the

620
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: job and then them hiring Sean Payton. Was there anything

621
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Speaker 1: to that he didn't turn down the job? Okay? Essentially

622
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: what happened is they do the first round interviews. I

623
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: think they interviewed eight guys and they came away from

624
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: that first round of interviews thinking three of them had

625
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: sort of advanced. Sean Payton, Damiko Ryan's were two of them,

626
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: and Jim Harbaugh. And Jim Harbad had his first interview

627
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: with the team on zoom because he couldn't travel. There

628
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: was something going on, and Greg Penner, or the new owner,

629
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Speaker 1: essentially said, look, we're not doing anything else until I

630
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: sit down with Harbaugh face to face, just to get

631
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: him on the same level as the other finalists as

632
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: it were. He said, I just want to talk to

633
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: him face to face and then we'll we'll figure this out, right.

634
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: So he goes, They go to ann Arbor and they

635
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: meet Harbaugh and at that point Harbaugh is sort of saying,

636
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Speaker 1: you know, it sounds great, wonderful, love it, but I

637
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: think I'm probably gonna stay. And at that point, so

638
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: it's Demiko Ryan's and Sean Payton that they're going to

639
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: get second interviews with the team, and Demiko had essentially said,

640
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: I love that you're interested in me, but I'm giving

641
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: Houston the first second interview as it were in the

642
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: timing of it, and the Broncos came away from that

643
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: thinking while his wife is from Houston, her whole family

644
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: lives in Houston. He played for Houston, They're not letting

645
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: him out of the building. So even if we want

646
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: to hire Demiko Ryans, We're not gonna be able to.

647
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: And so he didn't turn it down. He just said,

648
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: I'm taking the Houston second interview first. That makes sense. Yeah,

649
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean the tug of fan I mean, if you

650
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: can coach were one of you know you or your

651
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: wife or spouse or kids or from that's a big deal.

652
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: He had he played there, and he played there. I mean,

653
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: he had history there and you laying it out like

654
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: that because clearly but he was straight. They said, we

655
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: loved you and he was really the only guy with

656
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: no head coaching experience who made it out of the

657
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: first round. They were really excited about his first interview,

658
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: but when he told them Houston gets the first swing

659
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: at me, then they were like, okay. The reaction to

660
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: Peyton and that staff has to be off the hook

661
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: right among Broncos face. Well, you gotta understand, I mean

662
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: they they've had three first timers get fired now, guys

663
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: who were first time head coaches, and that's people were

664
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: like enough already, just hire somebody who's done it before,

665
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: which I'm not. I don't know what the reaction would

666
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: have been if it had been to Miko Ryan's. I

667
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: think there would have been a segment of a lot

668
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: of people, here we go again, you know. But you

669
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: know when when you you know, they were a little

670
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: upset at me this year because I said they had

671
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: become good at two things, missing the playoffs and firing coaches,

672
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: because that's all they've been good at, you know really

673
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: and people have always loved your wit. Yeah, no, it's

674
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: that wasn't that funny to them. But you know, it's

675
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: just when you keep firing coaches, you keep hearing the

676
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: same you know, excitement, discipline, you keep hearing the same

677
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: speech over and over, and people are like enough already,

678
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: just give us show us something and again. You know,

679
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: they're tough days. You know, Detroit's like saying hold my beer,

680
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, because they haven't been to the Super Bowl ever, right,

681
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: you know Cleveland, you know, the Broncos a big problem.

682
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: It's not a problem, but a big issue for the

683
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: Broncos as Pad Bowland when he owned the thirty years

684
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: Pad Bowland owned the team, they went to more Super

685
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: Bowls than they had losing seasons. Right, you become a

686
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: custom if you're a fan, you become accustomed to competing.

687
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean, more super Bowl trips than losing seasons. That's ridiculous.

688
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: Well that's that's a high mark. And that's what people

689
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: what are you gonna You've got nowhere to go? But

690
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: so this this stretched there in seven years in a row,

691
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: no playoffs. They haven't anything like this since they were

692
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: in the AFL. That's a long time, yea. And people

693
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: are like, you know, they're antsy. You know, they've sold

694
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: out every game since nineteen seventy. It's the only team

695
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: in the league that can that can say that. And

696
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: they you know, the that's not free. If you're the team,

697
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: people are like, hey, we expect a little something. So

698
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 1: long way around is I think the fact that Sean

699
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: Payton has been a head coach, has but a successful

700
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: head coach has won a super Bowl. That has people saying, Okay, now,

701
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: now we've got an adult in the room. Let's you know.

702
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: I personally feel if Vance Joseph had gotten one more year,

703
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: he Vance got saddled with the two worst draft classes

704
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: back to back in my time covering the team, and

705
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: that that makes a huge difference, and had no quarterback.

706
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: So you're not recovering. You're not recovering from no QB

707
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: and two bad draft classes. No, I don't care who

708
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: you are. You could be Bill Belichick. No, it doesn't matter.

709
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: You got to have that's one right. The new ownership group,

710
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: have they been, have they been present? Have they been evident?

711
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: Have they been have you gotten to know them? We're

712
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: getting there. I mean it's uh. I think it's hard

713
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: for sometimes for people who've been in like regular business

714
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: to suddenly be in football because it's a different thing.

715
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: You know, we were talking and earlier walking over that

716
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: they you know, you used to do in your business

717
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: behind closed doors. You don't do anything behind closed doors

718
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's you know, you've got people covering

719
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: every move you make every day of the year, and

720
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: I think they're getting used to that. But they have

721
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: a really big checkbook and they can pretty much do

722
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: whatever they want if if the question is cash, they

723
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: have the answer, tying it back into the draft. I

724
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: saw the report a few days ago about Javonte Williams

725
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: may have torn multiple ligaments when he was injured in

726
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: that game. I've figured Denver's probably looking pretty heavy at

727
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: running backs, at least in the middle rounds of this

728
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: where there is some value. Well, they only have middle

729
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: round picks, yeah, third this year. But you know, running

730
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 1: back this is gonna this will test. This draft will

731
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: test the analytical uh and then the relatively new thought

732
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: on running backs in the analytical world, which is don't

733
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: don't pick early, and don't sign for a lot of money. Well,

734
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: maybe the best position and free agency this year is

735
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,479
Speaker 1: running back, and Bijean Robinson is he will he will

736
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: test the don't pick a running back early discipline of

737
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: people like se Quon did. But I think Bijean is

738
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: one of the elite players on this board, maybe one

739
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: of the top five players in the draft. That's what

740
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: I mean. He's gonna he's gonna test because all of

741
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: the analytics but people are using now say do not

742
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: do it, do not take a running back in round

743
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: one something there's something Pay a running back and do

744
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: not pay him, don't give him a second contract. Wait.

745
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: Shanahan was famous for speaking of Denver he ran through

746
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: an amazing number of running churn them like crazy. You know,

747
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: Mike Anderson was almost the thirty year old when he

748
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: rushed for fourteen hundred yards or whatever. You know, Ruben

749
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: Drones was a twelve hundred yard rusher. You probably couldn't

750
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: get Bronco fans to to remember that, you know, yes,

751
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: but you know Bijean will tell he will be the

752
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: test of this draft to the do the number crunchers

753
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: win or do the scouts win? Because it will be

754
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: a but Jeff in the middle rounds, there's some backs

755
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: back that kid from Tulane. I watched the Senior Bowl

756
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: tape and oh my god, I mean he's exploding off

757
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: the screen when I was looking at him. You know,

758
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: Ritt and I do extensive draft work, which is Lorette does.

759
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: Probably worn to you, but look like that looking at

760
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: they're scribbling right there. There are some there are some dudes, erics.

761
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: There are some dudes in here that oh my god, yeah, no,

762
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: all the way through. That's why all the way be

763
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: Jean Robinson, as you say, I think he will. He's

764
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: fascinating me because he's gonna test everything because you can

765
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: wait and get a back in this draft absolute backs

766
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: all over, but he is really he's the outlier a

767
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: little something there. Yeah, I mean we've come up with

768
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: ten guys right here through the first two days. It

769
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: could really play with you know, they could play, they

770
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: can play. And uh, I just think guys are better

771
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: at the things maybe people don't care about much, but

772
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: they're better in pass protection now than they've ever been

773
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 1: because everybody's throwing the ball more in college than they

774
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: ever have, and your frontline running backs are being forced

775
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: to do that now when they they were you know

776
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: back in the day, they wouldn't they would have never

777
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: had done it, never ever. But they're just better at

778
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: those things. They're better at. Uh, they're better receivers, They

779
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: run more routes, they have more on their route tree

780
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: than just the wheel. You know, before a guy came in,

781
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: he could run the wheel and that was about it.

782
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: But now you know they have they sit down in

783
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: zones and they understand what a lot of them have.

784
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: Special teams value that Devin a Chain from Texas A

785
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: and m some track guys A returners, so I mean,

786
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: you have them, the more you can do, right. But

787
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: this this draft is tight end, edge, rusher, running back,

788
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: and corner I think corner from the third round and

789
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: are the strong positions. And the running back component is

790
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: really going to test the numbers versus eyes on scouting,

791
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: because the eyes on scouts are gonna love all these

792
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: guys and they're gonna want you to pick them, like

793
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: right now, get our guy, and all the analytics guys

794
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: are gonna be saying, oh wait. I think that's a

795
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: very fascinating point that you make that Bijean Robinson will

796
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: test all of those Bejean go whatever he's gonna go,

797
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: and he won't tip the dominoes. It'll be down, you know.

798
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: I think Gibbs. When Gibbs goes now, you're gonna run. Now,

799
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: they're all gonna there's the run and people won't be

800
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: able to hold themselves back. I love Gibbs. That's an end.

801
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: He's the modern NFL running back, Yes he is. He

802
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: may not be the big tackle breakler people are looking for,

803
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: but just his explosiveness in the home when you're running

804
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: against nickel defenses out of the from Alabama when when

805
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: you're running into wider gaps that that guy is an

806
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: NFL Jeff, What did the Broncos need to get either

807
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: through free agency or the draft both to help Russell Wilson? Well,

808
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: they gotta they gotta fix their They need help in

809
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: the line. I mean, they had all five starters spent

810
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: time on IR this year, and four of them were

811
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: on IR when the season ended, So they need a

812
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: lot of help upfront. And honestly, Russell Wilson's problems the

813
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: last two games are proof. It was more about why

814
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: do you keep asking him to do things a you

815
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: don't have the personnel to do? You know, I have

816
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: this argument that poor Mac has listened to me rant

817
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: on this forever. But I asked coaches all the time,

818
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: why do you consistently coach the team you want instead

819
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 1: of the team you have? Coach the team you have,

820
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: and avocas on offense have not coached the team they

821
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: have for like six years since Gary Kubiak. Offensively, defensively,

822
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: they've had great years in those years, but offensively they

823
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: simply refuse to coach the team they have, and until

824
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: they do, they're gonna be frustrated. But I think Sean

825
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: Payton will coach the team they have. They will play

826
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: the scheme that they have the players to play, instead

827
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: of this is my system and we're gonna do it

828
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: no matter what and consistently. Well that's so valid. I

829
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: mean touchdowns. You and I have talked about this a

830
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: lot over the year. A lot of what happens is

831
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: and it can be a pretty uh divergent split between

832
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: the offense and the defense. Defensive coaches because they'll adapt,

833
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: they'll adapt, they'll adapt, and then they they adapt to

834
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: what they have and they also adapt to Yeah, and

835
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: just but the defensive coaches just get him off the field,

836
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: just make them punt. Get him off. I don't I

837
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: don't have a nickel corner, So I got play this way.

838
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: You gotta play this way. Offenses a lot of times

839
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: will say, here is what we want to be and

840
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: no matter what, wouldn't it have wouldn't it be cool

841
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: if we could do this, if we can want to

842
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: be this and that? Because you know Russell Wilson, you

843
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: know when we were at the Rams, we had him

844
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: twice a year at his best. You know what he

845
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: was up there in Seattle. We used they have an

846
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: interim coach here, Jerry Rossberg comes in. You know, we

847
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: have this whole thing going around Denver Wilson. I said,

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Speaker 1: you already got your answer. Jerry Rossberg was interim coach

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Speaker 1: for thirteen days. Russell Wilson scored six touchdowns in the

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Speaker 1: last two games of the year. He plays like that

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Speaker 1: all year. They're in the playoffs. How did they handle

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Speaker 1: the whole Russell Wilson thing. He's already handled it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Peyton's already you know. I here's and I've said this

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Speaker 1: in Denver, is that it's not Russell's fault that he said, hey,

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Speaker 1: can I have a Can I have a workspace? Right?

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Speaker 1: And the team said, oh yeah, problem. Let me stop

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Speaker 1: for just second. But we know, even in Seattle for years,

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Speaker 1: even when they were successful, Russell's a lot a lot,

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Speaker 1: and the team and teammates like it some And don't

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Speaker 1: I contend to all quarterbacks are a lot. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: think it's just true. You know, Peyton Manning had an

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Speaker 1: office at the Broncos, but no one ever heard about it.

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Speaker 1: You know why because they won thirteen games a year,

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Speaker 1: right and they went to the playoffs. No one ever

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Speaker 1: said Peyton's got an office. Peyton doesn't spend very much

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Speaker 1: time in the locker room. Yeah, because he's Peyton freaking

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Speaker 1: Manning and he's twenty years older than the rest of

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Speaker 1: the guys the longer. But when you don't win, you know, no,

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Speaker 1: the answers never right when you don't win, I don't

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Speaker 1: care what you're doing. If you had an easy camp,

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Speaker 1: that was stupid because you didn't win. If you had

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Speaker 1: a difficult can you wore them out because you didn't win.

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Speaker 1: If you don't win, there's no right answer. And that's

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Speaker 1: where they're at right now. But he Sean Payton's already said, look,

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Speaker 1: none of your personal coaches are in the building. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna do it this way. You know, have a nice day.

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Speaker 1: And Russell actually, you know, sort of politicked for Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton after the last game of the season, you know,

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Speaker 1: weeks before Peyton and had even interviewed to your point

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Speaker 1: that he just brought up about and a first year

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Speaker 1: coach would not have been able to do that well,

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Speaker 1: and they should have. They should have. Yeah, But I

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Speaker 1: say last year was a parental problem in Denver. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't a Russell Wilson problem. It's like like a guy

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Speaker 1: gets drafted number one and it doesn't work out, everybody's

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Speaker 1: mad at the guy. All he did was answer the phone.

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Speaker 1: You know, hey, you want to go number one? Well, yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: that'd be great, and then it doesn't work out and

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Speaker 1: people are mad at the player. You know, Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: didn't say all he said. All he did was ask, hey,

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Speaker 1: can I have all these coaches come in and work

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Speaker 1: with me? Oh, yeah, that's fine. Can I have a

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Speaker 1: work but yeah, that's fine. You know. He didn't He

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Speaker 1: didn't say I want this or I'm not playing. He

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Speaker 1: just said can I have it? And they said yes.

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Speaker 1: They should have said no and they didn't, and then

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Speaker 1: Sean Payt yeah, and then you don't win, and you

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Speaker 1: don't He got all this other stuff, but none of

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Speaker 1: the players I talked to it was like they've been

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Speaker 1: around quarterbacks. I just think you can't tell certain players

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Speaker 1: they're the most important thing on the planet and then

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Speaker 1: wonder why they act like they're the most important thing

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Speaker 1: on the planet. But that's that's the way franchise quarterbacking

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Speaker 1: is now. It's it's a lot top to bottom. This

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Speaker 1: has been entertaining, not really, but I appreciate you saying

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Speaker 1: that you know who else is a lot top to

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Speaker 1: bottom me. Yeah, yeah, I know where you're going with that.

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Speaker 1: Well you did. They should have their own show, shouldn't

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Speaker 1: they They There's not enough airtime and the FCC would

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Speaker 1: be a problem eventually. Yeah, we get the weirdest look sometimes.

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Speaker 1: We've here at the combine. He and I might be

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Speaker 1: the only two morons that were at the first one

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Speaker 1: here in Indian were left. We were. I can still

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Speaker 1: remember you and Rick Goslin standing outside the holiday in

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Speaker 1: over there. Well, they wouldn't let us in, No, they wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: And it was snowing. It was snowing, and you both

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Speaker 1: had beanies on, and there was snow piled on top

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Speaker 1: of your head like elves standing out there trying to

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Speaker 1: grab people to interview. I was actually average height, the

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Speaker 1: snow piled on my head. This has been fun, Jeff Lewald,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys. You guys are awesome. Thank you, Rett,

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Speaker 1: Brian and Coach Mack, thank you too. This was cool,

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Speaker 1: sept everybody is the Coach Mack is the star of

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