Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me Carlos King.
Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives of Atlanta, New Jersey
Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
Speaker 1: scripted as well. All right, so the time has come, Jasmine,
Speaker 1: Claudia and Blue for us to discuss the latest episode
Speaker 1: of the Real Housewives of Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Yes, we have to.
Speaker 1: Get into the first scene of this episode, which is
Speaker 1: she Meia.
Speaker 2: So girls Sawmia business deal.
Speaker 1: So to rewind a little bit to update the rain drops,
Speaker 1: Shamiah had a rum punch brand that wanted her to
Speaker 1: hop on as a brand ambassador. She wanted some equity
Speaker 1: in it. Gerald, her husband, had a phone call with them.
Speaker 1: He didn't think the deal was right. We have learned
Speaker 1: in this episode Blue that the deal actually fell through
Speaker 1: and they wanted her to buy it at market price.
Speaker 1: Shamiah is devastated and doesn't want Gerald to give her
Speaker 1: the I told you so speech blue to Lousma, what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on Shamiah's business deal falling through?
Speaker 2: Are you surprised or should.
Speaker 1: Shamia get rid of the rum bumb and stick to
Speaker 1: being America's greatest housewife of Atlanta.
Speaker 3: First of all, I just want to say, Samia, I,
Speaker 3: whatever that outfit was that you were to the lawyer's office,
Speaker 3: good guard, because she did you see that the cats suit,
Speaker 3: the dripped and chocolate with the booty sitting up the lawyer.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised you couldn't even get a sentence together. Girl,
Speaker 3: You look good. I am not a hater. You look
Speaker 3: the Yeah. So that was distracting. I had to be
Speaker 3: like what she talking about? But then once I finally
Speaker 3: got over what it was in front of me, I
Speaker 3: will say, they don't take a businessman to know that
Speaker 3: selling peach rum in a place with no peaches.
Speaker 4: Might not be a thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean, you know one plus
Speaker 3: one sometimes it's still too So I think the people
Speaker 3: were like, we're just gonna tell us to your wholesale
Speaker 3: because this is ridiculous.
Speaker 4: I don't blame them peach rum.
Speaker 3: We ain't got no peaches, girl, And people in the
Speaker 3: Caribbean are very proud of their products and of their culture,
Speaker 3: so to sell something that's atypical to the culture is
Speaker 3: probably a big part of why they didn't buy into it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 3: You don't have to be you know, Nicko Dominus to
Speaker 3: see this that wasn't gonna work out. I still think
Speaker 3: she looked at the hell though, I still like the
Speaker 3: fact that she's still gonna go for it. Maybe why
Speaker 3: can't you do an Atlanta She's from it, she's in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: I think she just needs to move the location to
Speaker 3: make it a little bit more cohesive.
Speaker 4: As far as branding, the branding is off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was.
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I'll get to Claudia and jazz. Look, huh,
Speaker 1: I love Shemia a deep side and and look, I understand.
Speaker 2: And this is gonna be very unpopular and I'm not
Speaker 2: setting back.
Speaker 1: The women's movement when I say this, So save your
Speaker 1: hate tweets, your hate messages.
Speaker 2: I do feel like this.
Speaker 1: I think if you inherently right, if you have like
Speaker 1: Kisha kyor a good example, since you brought her name up,
Speaker 1: if you have this fired and desire to be a
Speaker 1: business woman, right, and it keeps you up at night.
Speaker 1: When I work with Keisha, I've learned that Keisha keeps
Speaker 1: a notepad on her nightstand because she juts down ideas
Speaker 1: and she'll wake them in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: and have ideas and then she executes it the next
Speaker 1: day with her team. If you don't, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that verbatim. You have to have that, but if you
Speaker 1: don't have that spirit of fire for business, it's okay
Speaker 1: not to not to have that. And the one thing
Speaker 1: I do not want for Shemiah, I don't want Shemiah
Speaker 1: to fall under the tropes that just because you are
Speaker 1: on a reality show, you have to have a storyline
Speaker 1: of a business, and I don't want that for her.
Speaker 1: I my opinion as somebody who does know Shemiah. Shamiah
Speaker 1: is an entertainer, right, It's sort of like how and
Speaker 1: I love her. It's sort of like how people look
Speaker 1: at Beyonce's failed businesses, right, And when you look at Beyonce,
Speaker 1: she's the greatest entertainer of our time. And that's why
Speaker 1: all her when it comes to music, unstoppable. When it
Speaker 1: comes to the other stuff she's done, it hasn't always
Speaker 1: worked out Sacred is doing well now, thank God, But
Speaker 1: other stuff happens so much. Right, But you look at
Speaker 1: Beyonce and it's sort of like, you don't have to
Speaker 1: match fintigue. Not saying she wants to. You don't have
Speaker 1: to do skims, not saying she's competing with them. But
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is it's okay to be the greatest
Speaker 1: entertained in the world. I look at Shamiyah, and after
Speaker 1: being in her house, I not said this to Shamia,
Speaker 1: so I'm not saying anything that I'm saying to her face.
Speaker 1: I want Shamiyah more Tim and Wanghee to be the
Speaker 1: greatest living American Black housewife of all time. And I'm
Speaker 1: telling you she can literally be that, and I will
Speaker 1: be okay. Shamiah is on the level of Marjorie Harvey.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, Shamia, And I know Marjorie. Shamiya is on
Speaker 1: the level of a Marjorie.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Mia is on the level of the women whose
Speaker 2: husbandsiness like exist exist.
Speaker 1: And I want Shmia to know, baby, it's okay to exist.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: I was to be famous, sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: And also.
Speaker 7: Whish was that easy right for some some people? Can
Speaker 7: I remember getting a guy when I was like going
Speaker 7: through a phase. I wasn't really making that much money
Speaker 7: and he was, and he proposed to me whatever, And
Speaker 7: I loved the benefit of being in a mansion and
Speaker 7: all the things right, all the stuff that comes up
Speaker 7: being with somebody wealthy, but I felt like I needed
Speaker 7: my own thing for my value, right, and some people
Speaker 7: and everyone's wired like that, I like I needed something
Speaker 7: and I didn't have to, but I just like I
Speaker 7: needed to. It's like, I think she be as that
Speaker 7: times one hundred, and I think the spotlight of being
Speaker 7: on a reality show makes her feel it even more right.
Speaker 6: Everybody thinks, and I don't know who.
Speaker 7: She got people in her ear, well, you should do this,
Speaker 7: you should use your platform, and you should do a
Speaker 7: rum line. Yeah it's bad ideas though, a rum line
Speaker 7: around peaches and it's on peaches in the place you
Speaker 7: want to, you know, manufacture.
Speaker 6: It is not a good idea. Who told you that?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 7: And maybe she'll find our purpose in something else, maybe
Speaker 7: continue working.
Speaker 6: With the Hawks.
Speaker 7: So I don't know, but yeah, it would be nice
Speaker 7: if she could feel like that would be enough.
Speaker 6: But you know, I don't know.
Speaker 7: I feel like women kind of feel like a lot
Speaker 7: of times we gotta be everything, you know, and there's
Speaker 7: a lot of pressure on us, like they, oh, you're
Speaker 7: just then then then the complaint would be, well, you're
Speaker 7: just a housewife.
Speaker 6: I feel like you damn if you do you damned
Speaker 6: if you don't.
Speaker 2: And I'll be like and guess what. And this is
Speaker 2: when I say this, because you know how they love
Speaker 2: to click our stuff, right.
Speaker 1: Blue, Yeah, oh yeah, So I'm not talking about any
Speaker 1: of the Atlanta Housewives. When I say this, before y'all
Speaker 1: know and say Carlos hates you. If they do say that, Claudia,
Speaker 1: I would say, and bitch, I don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about where my mortgage is gone.
Speaker 2: I don't have to worry about any.
Speaker 1: Of these things. My husband loves me. Actually, we're celebrating
Speaker 1: nine years of marriage. My husband's at home. I don't
Speaker 1: have to worry where he wakes up at night or
Speaker 1: in the morning. I know where he's at. My husband
Speaker 1: actually encourages me to be on this show. Do I
Speaker 1: think Shamia is chasing fame? Listen, all those girls are
Speaker 1: chasing fame, so that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 2: I chase the fame of all you want.
Speaker 1: I just don't want Shamiah to feel pressured to have
Speaker 1: a business. I really want if I was Shamia's manager,
Speaker 1: publicist on her team, and Shami, if you're watching, I'm giving.
Speaker 2: You this for free, not free game.
Speaker 1: Yes, because I love I love the girls, right, Shemiah
Speaker 1: followed you, I would focus on.
Speaker 2: Your career as an entertainer.
Speaker 1: Samia can act, she can sing, and she can dance,
Speaker 1: and I will focus on that thing. I don't think
Speaker 1: you need to follow the footsteps of other women who
Speaker 1: need to have a LLC and a business.
Speaker 2: I think, Shemiah, you are such a great woman. You
Speaker 2: that when I saw Gerald look.
Speaker 1: At her girls, you all deserve a man who looks
Speaker 1: at y'all the way Gerald looks at Shamia.
Speaker 4: H received that. J already got it, but it.
Speaker 5: I wish that for all. I wish that for other
Speaker 5: girls too, I really do.
Speaker 6: I get it last more than three months.
Speaker 4: I get about eight weeks or that, and then who's
Speaker 4: this amazing?
Speaker 3: Right? But Erica j you're saying Erica Jane rather than
Speaker 3: Lisa vander Pump because she's trying to pull pull a
Speaker 3: Lisa vander Pump and be the woman with all the
Speaker 3: rich husband in the business.
Speaker 4: But she's more Erica Jane. If I'm thinking about the
Speaker 4: way that you're describing and won't.
Speaker 1: I won't even go and the reason, Okay, I love
Speaker 1: you Erica Day. I won't say Erica Dane because Tom
Speaker 1: was doing some sadie shit before. Yeah yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: as someone okay, as someone who has met Marjorie Harvey.
Speaker 2: Marjorie Harvey is.
Speaker 1: Such a beautiful, without makeup, confident woman who Steve Harvey
Speaker 1: has said in every interview I became richer because of her.
Speaker 1: Everything I am is because of her. And I think
Speaker 1: what Gerald, Gerald, I'm telling you because I know men
Speaker 1: and women like you all do too. I think Gerald
Speaker 1: looks at Sia like you're my dream girl. He messed
Speaker 1: me up in his forties, no kids, and said I
Speaker 1: want you. And it's not lost on me that he
Speaker 1: fell in love and selected and chose and fell in
Speaker 1: love with this beautiful chocolate woman in the the BBLS
Speaker 1: and all this shit like Gerald and his forty saw
Speaker 1: shoued me at a nightclub and said I want you.
Speaker 2: I want you and the life that he has given her.
Speaker 1: I just say this, I don't think anything unless Gerald
Speaker 1: doing something I don't know about, child, I'll say this
Speaker 1: much on the record, I don't think anything is worth
Speaker 1: losing Gerald.
Speaker 5: I don't think so either. That's been my fear, not
Speaker 5: a fear like I think it's gonna happen, but I do.
Speaker 5: I think Tremia is underestimating how much like we would
Speaker 5: want to see her just being a stay at home wife,
Speaker 5: or not even just stay at home wife, because we
Speaker 5: talk about it like the rum thing is the only
Speaker 5: business venture that she was gonna embark on. She's been
Speaker 5: She's been like with the Hawks for years, and I
Speaker 5: think pre Gerald right, like she's been doing stuff before him.
Speaker 5: But it's like this thing on How Housewives. They all
Speaker 5: get on this show and think that we need a
Speaker 5: storyline of them by starting a business that then the
Speaker 5: next season we just never hear anything else about this business, right,
Speaker 5: Like I don't really care about that. I do want
Speaker 5: to see Marshamia's homelife because when she came on as
Speaker 5: a full time housewife last season, that's all we were
Speaker 5: talking about, like, Oh, she's actually wealthy, she's actually married,
Speaker 5: she has the family, she has a connection, she has
Speaker 5: the fun life. Kay Michelle was saying, every time you
Speaker 5: talk to Shamia on the phone, she's asked, somebody's mall shopping.
Speaker 5: I want to see that. I would love to see that, Josh, though,
Speaker 5: show ponies want to trot. That's the only piece that's missing.
Speaker 5: Is she Unlike Marjorie Harvey. She is a like a
Speaker 5: old school cabaret kind of girl. Like she's a chow
Speaker 5: pony who wants to prance. And that to Claudia's point,
Speaker 5: the spirit of prance.
Speaker 4: Is in our girls. She's not gonna get rid of it.
Speaker 4: It's in her nature.
Speaker 5: Well, let's love me. Watch you prance, not fucking talking
Speaker 5: in a business meeting about rum.
Speaker 4: That's fair.
Speaker 5: I would watch you dance. I would watch you do
Speaker 5: your your one two step or whatever in the studio,
Speaker 5: dropping some beats. I would watch you do that. I
Speaker 5: don't want to down to your lawyer's office.
Speaker 4: Everybody the lawyer's office. It is a sight.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna get to your next Claudia. But now
Speaker 2: I get what I'm sorry, Blue.
Speaker 1: I now get why you said Erica Jane because I
Speaker 1: forgot that Erica's.
Speaker 2: Jane was.
Speaker 1: Was.
Speaker 2: This was this very niche pop star for the Games.
Speaker 1: It was a very niche audience that she catered to
Speaker 1: make her happy, so so to your to your point, yes,
Speaker 1: Tomia follow the footsteps of Erica Jane in terms of
Speaker 1: finding a very niche audience. I will say this as
Speaker 1: somebody who would who is now listening to Afro gospel.
Speaker 2: Claudia is Claudia, Claudia.
Speaker 1: It's baby. Oh the way the praise, the Lauren in
Speaker 1: the in the in the afro punks sort.
Speaker 4: Of like sound.
Speaker 6: I love it, I need it.
Speaker 1: So Smia, be an afro punk artist, be a very
Speaker 1: neat artist, and do your thing, all right, go ahead, Claudia.
Speaker 7: I think we gotta be careful about telling women what
Speaker 7: they should be doing, because we would feel better about
Speaker 7: it like that.
Speaker 6: It's given me. Shut up and dribble, Lebron James.
Speaker 7: You can only be an athlete, it is, And I'm
Speaker 7: not really liking what this conversation is going.
Speaker 6: If I gotta be real about it.
Speaker 7: We would like to see Shami just be a housewife,
Speaker 7: just do this.
Speaker 6: Why who the fuck are we to say.
Speaker 4: That her dancing sing personally because she's good at dancing.
Speaker 7: To say that Shemiah trots she does with the big
Speaker 7: old high clide zeal pony booty. That's fabulous, right, but
Speaker 7: let's not act like everyone on that is not fame thirsty.
Speaker 7: They all are, but it's digestible through different people because
Speaker 7: you may like that one's personality a little bit more.
Speaker 7: This one does it a little bit better or better.
Speaker 7: Shd be as awkward and she can rub people the
Speaker 7: wrong way. But they all are on a reality show
Speaker 7: because they all want fame and they all want attention,
Speaker 7: and they all trot, and they all wear catsuits and
Speaker 7: they all show a cameltoe. They all do it. Every
Speaker 7: single one of them has done it. But it's just
Speaker 7: to me it's turned in the hot sea because it's
Speaker 7: the first couple of years she awkward and she's rubbing
Speaker 7: some people the wrong way with some of the stuff.
Speaker 7: Some of the I don't like that she does, and
Speaker 7: I think some of the things are self imposed, the
Speaker 7: drama that comes to her, like you know sometimes, but
Speaker 7: like I don't know about telling her like she should
Speaker 7: just sit. I get what you're saying, Carlos, but like
Speaker 7: for her, I just think about for her, she probably
Speaker 7: feels like I can't just be that, Like was I
Speaker 7: put on this earth like to just be a wife
Speaker 7: and then yeah, I'm a rich man's wife. But what
Speaker 7: if that goes left one day, then I'm just starting
Speaker 7: over with nothing, Like is it wrong to want to
Speaker 7: pursue and have something on my own? So I could
Speaker 7: feel a little bit of put my shoulders back a
Speaker 7: little bit more instead of just being married to the
Speaker 7: rich guy, because we got we all have people that
Speaker 7: were married to the rich guy, and when the guy
Speaker 7: wanted to pull the plug on the situation, you were
Speaker 7: fucked up, like even on your girl Porsche, you know,
Speaker 7: like and that this is not a jabber her. I
Speaker 7: actually felt bad when things were left and the guy
Speaker 7: just left and took stuff. That's a bad situation. I
Speaker 7: don't I don't wish that on anybody like that can't
Speaker 7: feel cool. Not saying Joel's want to do that, But
Speaker 7: I understand like not feeling secure with just being married
Speaker 7: to a rich man, because that could change, and if
Speaker 7: you haven't developed anything else in the meantime, you're kind
Speaker 7: of like, I'm starting from square one. I have a friend, well,
Speaker 7: we all have friends. I could just tell a million stories.
Speaker 7: But I get why you want to have something of
Speaker 7: your own. But I think about a lot of rich,
Speaker 7: wealthy women do that. Maybe this could be a lane
Speaker 7: for her, not telling her what she should do is
Speaker 7: if it's not a career thing, a singing thing, but
Speaker 7: I think she should stick to the entertainment, even something
Speaker 7: that can feel gives us some kind of purpose, like
Speaker 7: a charity, something that is close to her heart, you know,
Speaker 7: like she has a child with a condition, like maybe
Speaker 7: in the honor of her child, like with raising funds
Speaker 7: for research. I don't know, but something that makes her
Speaker 7: feel like away from Gerald, I have this thing that
Speaker 7: is mine. We talk about some people wanting something that's
Speaker 7: all theirs. Shimia has that right to something that's for
Speaker 7: her too.
Speaker 4: I have a question.
Speaker 3: I just have a quick question, the same way Keisha
Speaker 3: Kiyor saw what Carlos was working with and j just
Speaker 3: did because we know Smiyah is so talented with singing
Speaker 3: and entertainment. Is this asking her to abandon herself or
Speaker 3: just asking her to have more laser focus in the
Speaker 3: lane that she's already really excellent in.
Speaker 6: I think she should. I think she should so pursue.
Speaker 6: I think she should definitely still be asking all that
Speaker 6: kind of stuff.
Speaker 7: And you know what, so what the rum line failed?
Speaker 7: So what when you're a business woman, Guess what then?
Speaker 6: Are our home runs.
Speaker 7: I'm sure before Candy had Candy Code of Nights and
Speaker 7: knocked it out the park, I'm sure there was something
Speaker 7: else that didn't go through. You know, before port she
Speaker 7: had go naked, before Kenya had her hair. Like, people
Speaker 7: stumble along the way to success, and I don't feel
Speaker 7: like Shamiah should get extra criticism for that. Doing what
Speaker 7: most entrepreneurs do. They usually fail a few times on
Speaker 7: the way up.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, and I agree with you,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna get you to I want to make it.
Speaker 1: Clear I was because I agree with you. I wasn't
Speaker 1: saying Shamiah should just be a rich man's wife. I
Speaker 1: wasn't saying that right. What I was saying was, I
Speaker 1: think everybody thinks having a business is cool.
Speaker 2: And that's what I made the example of.
Speaker 1: If it's not a fine desire with you, for example, everybody,
Speaker 1: not everybody.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Who want to do what we're doing right, and we
Speaker 1: make it look easy, but it is this is this
Speaker 1: takes work. Because we loved it. The fact that Blues
Speaker 1: hopped off the flight and said, I'm coming to y'all
Speaker 1: with no makeup because I love what I do. I
Speaker 1: love you God, this is fun for me, and you
Speaker 1: wouldn't you wouldn't think twice about like.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know where a makeup? But she felt competenttion.
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm blue fuck y'all, just like I was
Speaker 2: just saying with Shemiah, as somebody who.
Speaker 1: Has been around her knows her, I my Spidey senses,
Speaker 1: and this is awesome being a producer. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: name names. There's an Atlanta housewife that I'm close to
Speaker 1: who said to me once, I wasted so much money
Speaker 1: as dumb ass business. I just did it for the
Speaker 1: show because because you feel pressured to have a storyline
Speaker 1: based on business. And as somebody who's known Shamia before
Speaker 1: she met Gerald and seeing what she has now, I
Speaker 1: was just saying, I think Shamia's focused should be on
Speaker 1: entertainment and building that repertoire and not focused on having
Speaker 1: a liquor line, because I don't think that's her passions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you agree with that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I was gonna say, Claudia, that's a great
Speaker 5: point to bring up, and I respect that. I'm just
Speaker 5: talking about, like what I want to see on the show.
Speaker 5: She can do one hundred different business ventures. I don't
Speaker 5: really want to see that on the show like that,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like, that's not where I
Speaker 5: think she is like the most entertaining. And so I'm
Speaker 5: just speaking like when I say this is what I
Speaker 5: want to see from her specifically on the show, I'm
Speaker 5: not I don't really think about these women like outside
Speaker 5: of my own entertainment. I know that's a very selfish thought,
Speaker 5: but I am an audience member, a fan of the show,
Speaker 5: So I'm only thinking about how I'm going to be entertained,
Speaker 5: and I want max entertainment. And it's not at the
Speaker 5: lawyer's office doing the rumbum thing. I mean, it is
Speaker 5: entertaining to see her in the catsuit. That would I
Speaker 5: would accept that anytime. But it's like, yeah, I don't
Speaker 5: want to tell her what she should do, but what
Speaker 5: I want to see as a viewer, I want to
Speaker 5: be entertained. I want to watch her where she shines.
Speaker 5: It was very entertaining, was it last season? When she
Speaker 5: was singing Like the first episode when she came in
Speaker 5: and she was singing the rain Ray Go Away. It
Speaker 5: was annoying, but that was entertaining. That was funny. That
Speaker 5: was like, can't be housewife? Shit, that's what I want
Speaker 5: to see. I don't need to see them trying to
Speaker 5: start a business every season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you guys think started with you?
Speaker 2: Jasmine?
Speaker 1: So Ky, Michelle and Angela went on a double date
Speaker 1: with their husband where they were.
Speaker 5: Left left logo first because.
Speaker 2: Tribute.
Speaker 4: What's y'all know? I got theism. I can't have my faces.
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5: You had the strongest reaction, and I feel like you.
Speaker 5: I would love for you to talk to Tell Carlos.
Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show.
Speaker 4: Man. So that's Chemhelle's husband.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's her husband. It's if I'm wrong, I'm not right.
Speaker 4: Now, nobody wants to look at me. I was not
Speaker 4: trying to look.
Speaker 1: No, that's her husband. And I want to say, Rain Johns,
Speaker 1: tim if I got this wrong. I want to say
Speaker 1: they're college sweethearts. But Rain John's tell me I got
Speaker 1: this wrong.
Speaker 4: To do so much, Okay, I can only suspend reality
Speaker 4: for so much.
Speaker 6: Say what you feel, friend, Just let that autism just
Speaker 6: come on through.
Speaker 4: Shot that gets me in trouble.
Speaker 6: Okay, Look, man, we all have it.
Speaker 4: They like it. I love it.
Speaker 3: I will say this. I'll start with the nice stuff.
Speaker 3: She he knew her in college. Sure, I'm not sure
Speaker 3: sweetheart is the accurate. Okay, So I'll say this came
Speaker 3: a show this episode. I liked her the most that
Speaker 3: I've liked her all season, waiting to the pen ultimate second,
Speaker 3: the last episode to finally decide you have to show up.
Speaker 4: To work a little bit odd. But I really wish.
Speaker 3: The km Michelle we saw this episode showed up maybe
Speaker 3: like thirteen fifteen episodes ago personally, So I want to
Speaker 3: say that, right. The husband's thing, sure, the fact that
Speaker 3: she married him on the way to push his house
Speaker 3: for the premiere, I still have questions around that.
Speaker 4: It was really like, yeah, marry him yesterday. It was
Speaker 4: a lot. It is what it is. I just work here,
Speaker 4: and I will.
Speaker 6: Say on Twitter this week. Last week it was Dustin.
Speaker 6: Now it's gonna be you Blue.
Speaker 3: I do not care, respectfully, I do's nothing say oh
Speaker 3: super fabius, whatever, girl, It's okay. So I just need
Speaker 3: you all to know that ky Michelle finally showed up
Speaker 3: this episode. She she finally had the conversation with Shemiah.
Speaker 3: She her conversation with Angela. I think that we're seeing
Speaker 3: a glimpse of what we were robbed of all season long.
Speaker 3: So even if I had to believe that this double
Speaker 3: date was whatever it was supposed to be, I liked
Speaker 3: watching her show up to work. It reminded me why
Speaker 3: we're all rooting for her before the premiere. It reminded
Speaker 3: me of what she's like when she's just speaking without
Speaker 3: extra producing herself. Even when she's being a little bit
Speaker 3: of a hater, I still find that funny. So came
Speaker 3: and show.
Speaker 4: I think, to me, you were the surprising dark course
Speaker 4: of the entire episode, to be perfectly honest, even.
Speaker 3: Down to her having that moment, SHED be like, Shama,
Speaker 3: why would you say that to that lady?
Speaker 6: Why?
Speaker 4: Like even that conversation is what real friends do.
Speaker 3: So I think that if Andy is willing and able,
Speaker 3: if we could just turn the doll up on Ky Michelle.
Speaker 4: But we saw this episode, I would love to see
Speaker 4: it all next.
Speaker 3: Season because I actually really really enjoyed her and her
Speaker 3: husband's sure.
Speaker 6: Wow, you really use straightness now.
Speaker 4: Claudia Jordan, I'm medicated.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, everyone's on something. I need to get mine.
Speaker 2: Claudia Jordan, I can't het Jazzmin Henley.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I I I still don't understand why King Michelle
Speaker 5: is in the first chair, Like, yes, this was a
Speaker 5: good episode for her, but I spent the like the
Speaker 5: back half of the episode, I was just like, I
Speaker 5: still don't understand how she got the first chair for
Speaker 5: the reunion outside of my prediction that she's going to
Speaker 5: perform bs B SLP.
Speaker 6: But I don't.
Speaker 5: I still don't understand why she's sitting there. But I
Speaker 5: thought this was an interesting scene. Like Charles was actually
Speaker 5: the funniest in the scene when they had to put
Speaker 5: their feet up, he said, put them put them sized
Speaker 5: twelves up here to Angela. I thought that was really funny,
Speaker 5: but it was you know, it didn't move the storyline
Speaker 5: along really much for me, but it was cute.
Speaker 6: I like when they do double dates. I think they
Speaker 6: should do more of that.
Speaker 7: And you know, I hate that, like there's such an
Speaker 7: emphasis on the Real Housewives of Atlanta and then people
Speaker 7: just me showing their relationships, like that's crazy to me,
Speaker 7: but it is nice when they do pop up and
Speaker 7: Charles and Angela's relationship, I get it.
Speaker 6: I like those kind of relationships. I think they're funny.
Speaker 6: You know, like if you're in it, you get it,
Speaker 6: like you know, from.
Speaker 7: The outside, it seems a little harsh at first, like
Speaker 7: we like damn, but that's just how the kind of
Speaker 7: relationship they have. Yeah, I was capping for Came a
Speaker 7: Show by episode three. By episode four, I was like damn.
Speaker 7: And then she kind of was like not really giving
Speaker 7: the whole season. But I maybe remember she did set
Speaker 7: up the season with health issues, so part of me
Speaker 7: thinks maybe there was maybe she has some like lower
Speaker 7: energy because of that member. She was dealing with some
Speaker 7: pretty major things. So maybe it's that because like you know,
Speaker 7: they do film in a very short amount of time,
Speaker 7: and if half that time you're kind of going through
Speaker 7: your healing, you're dealing with all.
Speaker 6: That kind of stuff, maybe that's why. But you can't.
Speaker 6: That can't be the reason.
Speaker 7: Next season, you know what I'm saying, Like we've seen
Speaker 7: enough to be like all right, I'm interested, Like let's
Speaker 7: see what.
Speaker 6: You bring in next year, next season.
Speaker 7: But like you know, you get a little past because
Speaker 7: you did have some issues, but like you do need
Speaker 7: to show up.
Speaker 6: I mean, it is you know, we already have other people.
Speaker 7: That don't really show up and just make you know
Speaker 7: that that make a good coin, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't say, man, I'm trying to be hate
Speaker 6: Blue and.
Speaker 3: He thoughts about anybody's husband, because I feel like I
Speaker 3: don't know who took that bullet respectful.
Speaker 6: Like you're right, right, right right about what husband? What
Speaker 6: do you mean like about what? What did you been
Speaker 6: saying here?
Speaker 5: I just laughed. I don't talk about people's husbands. I
Speaker 5: do on here on here, but in a group chat.
Speaker 1: So I want to I agree with Blue when I
Speaker 1: and YouTube do that. Wow, Okay, this is a great episode,
Speaker 1: So I will say this.
Speaker 2: I agree that this was Cay Michelle's best episode.
Speaker 1: I actually found myself smiling because this is the Ca
Speaker 1: Michelle I had the pleasure of working with Ca Michelle.
Speaker 1: Ca Michelle was one of the breakout stars season one
Speaker 1: Love and Hip Hop because she showed up and she
Speaker 1: was honest, and she called things out in the moment,
Speaker 1: and she was real. And I also said in came
Speaker 1: Michelle's defense that when she started this season, it was
Speaker 1: sort of like being the popular girl in high school
Speaker 1: and now you're at Harvard, right, and you're trying to
Speaker 1: figure out where you fit.
Speaker 2: And I think all of us saw that. I think
Speaker 2: all of us saw that she was trying to find
Speaker 2: her place.
Speaker 1: I think this episode came Mischelle finally found her place.
Speaker 2: I found her to be.
Speaker 1: Present, I found her to be I found her to
Speaker 1: ask questions. I found her to hold people accountable. When
Speaker 1: she met with Shamia one on one and said that
Speaker 1: the fun loving Shamiyah she doesn't see anymore and is
Speaker 1: giving fuck the world, I.
Speaker 2: That's I love that. That was my camis show. Was
Speaker 2: the star of this episode.
Speaker 1: And yes, did it take seventeen episodes to get here?
Speaker 2: Absolutely hold on.
Speaker 5: Carlos the star of the episode.
Speaker 1: Okay to be no, No, the episode yes, because the
Speaker 1: thing is this to me, I would say the episode
Speaker 1: yes because she was she was able to show us
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold my girl accountable. I'm gonna keep it
Speaker 1: real with this other girl. I'm gonna talk to Porsche
Speaker 1: like think about it. She had a double day with Angela,
Speaker 1: she had a double day with Porsche, one on one
Speaker 1: with Shamiya, then saying I don't mess with Halloween and
Speaker 1: showed up anyway, look at all that later she was
Speaker 1: the start of the episode and and for me. I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed Came Michelle this episode. I do want to
Speaker 1: get into the one on one she had with Shemiah
Speaker 1: because I thought Came Michelle really.
Speaker 4: In this thing.
Speaker 1: I believe their friendship and I believe that Came and
Speaker 1: Schell was concerned about Samia's behavior in Scotland. I really yeah,
Speaker 1: like why did you bring my mama the ship? We
Speaker 1: even asked like why would you do this?
Speaker 4: Kind of like that she's not like us the entire conversation.
Speaker 7: We could have used this from Ca Michelle all season
Speaker 7: long and it probably could have helped really added a
Speaker 7: lot to the season because I think she's on that
Speaker 7: when she questions people, they'll listen, they'll entertain her, They'll
Speaker 7: they have respect for her for the most part, and
Speaker 7: I think they would listen. I think she could get
Speaker 7: through to Shmi and I wish we could have gotten that.
Speaker 7: Like like six episodes ago, we were.
Speaker 4: We were robbed, and I think Ravo probably had a cock.
Speaker 3: Somebody were on the thing of those production note they
Speaker 3: wanted to return the investment.
Speaker 4: It feels like this episode they finally.
Speaker 3: Got a little bit worth of what the invoice was
Speaker 3: for and it was almost like, look, girl, you got
Speaker 3: one more episode left.
Speaker 4: You need to show up like so cable out.
Speaker 3: Honestly, this episode had this episode to people saying been
Speaker 3: the norm, the first share would have made more sense, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but the fact that it started with k on the
Speaker 3: day and ended with a horse, it didn't.
Speaker 4: It did end weird, just.
Speaker 7: My I don't think that she was a star of
Speaker 7: the episode. To me, the star of the episode was
Speaker 7: once again a horse.
Speaker 4: It was the horse.
Speaker 6: Horse was like, you know, I was so.
Speaker 4: Confused by the horse. I thought took an edible.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that. We'll get to that, but I
Speaker 2: do want to get to this.
Speaker 1: So because Smiya decided to invite Porsche to her Halloween party,
Speaker 1: and Porsche responded and I quote, girl, I'm not coming
Speaker 1: to your damn party.
Speaker 2: You are sick, asked please move along enjoy.
Speaker 1: Jazmin, what were your thoughts on that particular message.
Speaker 5: I thought it was hilarious. It's very Porsia fashion. It's
Speaker 5: it's what I would expect for her to do.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you came to the party, I would
Speaker 5: have been shocked. But like, it's one hundred percent what
Speaker 5: I expect from Porsha.
Speaker 4: So I was.
Speaker 5: I was getting a kick out of it. She's funny.
Speaker 4: Porsia's funny, she is Claudia.
Speaker 1: Why do you think Shamiah felt the need to even
Speaker 1: invite Porscha. Do you think Shamia felt like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is an olive branch or do you.
Speaker 2: Think it was something that she felt, I'm having an
Speaker 2: all cast event. I'm on a TV show.
Speaker 5: Just come.
Speaker 6: It's because it was an all cast event, the same
Speaker 6: reason why Porscha invited Shamia to her house on the
Speaker 6: first episode.
Speaker 7: She didn't want her there, but it's the beginning of
Speaker 7: the season and the end of the season. You have
Speaker 7: to and shout out to them both for doing what's
Speaker 7: good for the show. They're supposed to do that. And yes,
Speaker 7: Porscha shaded the ship out of Shemia, she should, you
Speaker 7: know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Like that's I get it.
Speaker 7: It makes sense, you know, if you're really mad, you
Speaker 7: got to live in that space, you know what I mean,
Speaker 7: Because like at this point, you don't you been around
Speaker 7: long enough. You don't have to go and be so fake,
Speaker 7: especially at the end of the season. Now you can
Speaker 7: really let it, you know, But they both they've had
Speaker 7: to do that.
Speaker 6: You got to you gotta do.
Speaker 7: Stuff you don't always necessarily want to do, or stuff
Speaker 7: you wouldn't really do in real life.
Speaker 6: Tell about you. Shemia's like, well, I gotta do what?
Speaker 7: But I think Shemid is more willing than Porscha is
Speaker 7: to kind of maybe see if there's an olive branch there,
Speaker 7: because you could tell Samia still she still has a little,
Speaker 7: a little inkling of hope, wanting to you know, them
Speaker 7: be friends again, Like yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1: Because the thing is, I'm reminded that she did not
Speaker 1: invite her to Gerald's party house, so and that was
Speaker 1: an all cast so to buy her to this. I
Speaker 1: felt that Shemiah was trying to test the waters. Yeah
Speaker 1: you know, I just sort of see, like how bad
Speaker 1: are we?
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think maybe Kate Michelle, I'll give you
Speaker 3: Michelle crdit again. I think this episode what I saw
Speaker 3: was remorse and embarrassment because she kept on saying, hey,
Speaker 3: how are you doing, like that meme of the little
Speaker 3: woman coming in, like hey.
Speaker 4: How are you doing?
Speaker 8: Like hey, guys, by the way, welcome to my party.
Speaker 8: If anybody was upset by anything that could have happened
Speaker 8: in Scotland, that I might have been involved in sorry,
Speaker 8: like it felt like after she calmed down, she was like,
Speaker 8: I look like a donkey. Like I think she realized
Speaker 8: she went way too far, and then she saw everybody's reactions,
Speaker 8: like when you tell a joke and you bomb and
Speaker 8: nobody's laughing and like, oh my head. So I think
Speaker 8: on the flight home it hit her how bad this looks?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and everything I saw. That's why I think Gerald's
Speaker 3: birthday was not an invite, but this one. To Claudia's point,
Speaker 3: she was more open. She was like, I might have
Speaker 3: pissed the bed in Scotland. Let me at least try
Speaker 3: to look like a good sport now before we crossed
Speaker 3: the finish line. It felt like remorse, and they also
Speaker 3: felt like she knew that she was gonna cost her out.
Speaker 3: She knew she knew she was she's a coashing.
Speaker 6: But stop apologizing, Shamia.
Speaker 7: That's enough after that YouTube specially did last year, Stop
Speaker 7: because it's like you got a girl?
Speaker 2: Please did oh you did?
Speaker 4: Okay, go ahead, like that's great.
Speaker 6: It starts to lose.
Speaker 7: Like I do think she does feel stupid after the fact.
Speaker 7: I think she gets caught up in the moment of
Speaker 7: being a housewife and being new and she's green, right,
Speaker 7: so she thinks she probably got her hairstylists and her makeupies. Bitch,
Speaker 7: read the girls down and you say this and have
Speaker 7: something have one in the chamber. Yeah yeah, I'm an
Speaker 7: get her, but you can't really operate in that space.
Speaker 7: Every single scene, something's on call for that. And listening
Speaker 7: to a lot of times people I have people will
Speaker 7: put batteries in your back all the time.
Speaker 6: Not saying that she can't make your own decisions.
Speaker 7: I'm just thrown out a possible scenario, you know, And
Speaker 7: I think that happens sometimes. But Yo, go with your
Speaker 7: own gut samiya and stop apologizing because Twitter tells you
Speaker 7: to or someone tells you you. If you really feel it,
Speaker 7: have a sincere apology on camera and then off camera
Speaker 7: so it's real, right. And then also stop doing stuff
Speaker 7: that you gotta apologize for again. Like if you do
Speaker 7: something you're sorry for it, then don't do it again.
Speaker 7: And then once you say sorry, once that's it, don't
Speaker 7: keep doing it because it's gonna give off weakness and
Speaker 7: they smell that.
Speaker 6: A mile away. Hey my bad, yo, I fucked up.
Speaker 6: I won't do it again. I'm working. I'm a work
Speaker 6: in progress.
Speaker 7: Give me grace, okay, cool and the best apologies changed behavior,
Speaker 7: you know, but if you keep saying sorry, sorry, sight,
Speaker 7: they're gonna it's gonna lose its power.
Speaker 6: Like, no one's gonna like.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 5: That's why she's become like an easy mark in the
Speaker 5: group because they they probably can sense that she she's
Speaker 5: a little green.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just I love somebody who's gonna stand in their shit.
Speaker 5: So like, if you're gonna take it there in Scotland,
Speaker 5: stand in it, like, don't apologize afterwards. But on the
Speaker 5: flip side of that, according to her, her and portious
Speaker 5: friendship was very real, so like after you expose that
Speaker 5: and like you hurt this person that you really cared about.
Speaker 5: There probably really was some real emotions that she was like, damn,
Speaker 5: I am sorry, But like who said it? The apology
Speaker 5: goes to Porsche though not the group, Like why are
Speaker 5: you apologizing to the group? Yeah, so you got turned up,
Speaker 5: Like if you really feel bad about what you said
Speaker 5: and what you did, then you should be apologizing to
Speaker 5: the person that you tried to expose, not the whole group,
Speaker 5: but I lost my biggest stands in it.
Speaker 3: And I don't mean to cut you off. I'm realizing,
Speaker 3: you know how you guys know this. They tape things,
Speaker 3: but they slight slice them out of order sometimes. I'm
Speaker 3: very curious if Porsche really just happened to present the
Speaker 3: house after Scotland, or if they intentionally saved the Porsche
Speaker 3: about her mother a house revealed almost like a palate
Speaker 3: cleanser from the your Mama's a whole conversation in Scotland.
Speaker 3: It almost feels like you say all this stuff about
Speaker 3: the lady Mama, and the very next episode, hey Mama,
Speaker 3: look a mansion like it felt almost like a call
Speaker 3: and response to the episode previously. So I don't know
Speaker 3: if there was anything that's set from the episode that
Speaker 3: it did happen after Scotland.
Speaker 4: I just think it's.
Speaker 3: Weird, not weird coincidental that after her mother gets, you know,
Speaker 3: accusations thrown at her, we now see portioning her mother
Speaker 3: thriving better than ever. Miss Diane and her beautiful wigs
Speaker 3: got this big old mansion, Pollarge running around, Dennis is
Speaker 3: firing the egg like it was so like Hallmark. A
Speaker 3: part of me wonders. Did it really come after Scotland
Speaker 3: or did they place it like that, almost like a
Speaker 3: pilot cleanser Carls.
Speaker 2: Jeremy and a good question.
Speaker 1: So, speaking a producer, I will say this, and that's
Speaker 1: why I love you. I want to know I thought
Speaker 1: the same thing. I will say this, and I'm friends
Speaker 1: with the producers. I didn't text them because I again,
Speaker 1: I like to strictly.
Speaker 2: Focus on the episode and.
Speaker 1: Watch it as a viewer. But I had the exact
Speaker 1: same thought in terms of it is kind of convenient
Speaker 1: that they got back from Scotland and the episode was
Speaker 1: her by Mama House. So to your point, I don't
Speaker 1: have the to it, but yes, as a producer, that
Speaker 1: is plausible.
Speaker 2: Right, Two things could have happened.
Speaker 1: That could have been a scene that was in the
Speaker 1: chamber that happened prior to Scotland and it felt necessary
Speaker 1: to show it afterwards.
Speaker 2: Which is smart and that's the beauty of television. Or
Speaker 2: it could have been Portia showing the world how she
Speaker 2: views her mother, how she views her daughter.
Speaker 1: The two they're not both women, her daughter, her mom
Speaker 1: who she said in Scotland like I'm a fuck about nobody.
Speaker 1: But those two like, let's keep it from my daughter,
Speaker 1: my mom. So then the next episode seeing the daughter,
Speaker 1: which by the way, Paula looks so cute telling her
Speaker 1: Mommy doesn't important sucking your stomach like that such a
Speaker 1: cute moment. But to your point, I want I also
Speaker 1: saw that and said, I wonder if this happened in
Speaker 1: chronological order. I did have the same thought. But what
Speaker 1: I will say, and I'd love to hear from you
Speaker 1: girls too, shout out to Porsche for by her mama
Speaker 1: house that is paid for. I think all of us
Speaker 1: can agree that that's the goalpost when you are a
Speaker 1: child and you work hard, you want to buy your
Speaker 1: mom or your dad.
Speaker 2: Or buffing them a house.
Speaker 1: So that was that was definitely great to see, especially
Speaker 1: because when Porsche, like you said Claudia earlier, when her
Speaker 1: Cordell divorce, Cordell left her with nothing and she had
Speaker 1: to move back home with her mom.
Speaker 6: That that was a.
Speaker 7: Great full circle moment for Porsche, Like it really is
Speaker 7: like whether produced or not or auto chronological order, which
Speaker 7: problems sometimes because like you know, when you have favor
Speaker 7: with the producers, they're going to do little things that
Speaker 7: make you like end on a better note and kind
Speaker 7: of a palate cleans. Who knows, But at the end
Speaker 7: of the day, you can't take away from that is
Speaker 7: a major accomplishment. She probably got a bunch of equity
Speaker 7: from one house selling one house, like she's doing really well.
Speaker 6: So to buy your mama.
Speaker 7: House when you had to go to your mom's house
Speaker 7: after a bad breakup, right a divorce, I think that's dope.
Speaker 7: I think that's probably a lot of kids dream to
Speaker 7: like repay their mom with Hey mom, I got it,
Speaker 7: and you have no mortgage to worry about. That's like,
Speaker 7: kudos to them. That's I love seeing a black woman.
Speaker 7: I don't care who they are, a black woman, a
Speaker 7: woman doing that for the mom. That's gotta feel really
Speaker 7: really good to to do that, Like, I think that's dope.
Speaker 7: So that was I liked that scene whenever it was shot.
Speaker 7: I just like I liked not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was it was. It was a good scene.
Speaker 5: And I agree with what you just said. I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't think about them showing this scene, like after
Speaker 5: the whole mom exposer thing in Scotland. I just thought
Speaker 5: I fit with Portia's storyline this season, like her whole
Speaker 5: arc this season is kind of like rebuilding after this
Speaker 5: divorce and then obviously we've seen her go through another
Speaker 5: divorce before. So to Claudia's point, showing us this full
Speaker 5: circle moment with her buying her mom's house after everything
Speaker 5: she went through, it just had like a cap on
Speaker 5: like her her arc this season. But that is a
Speaker 5: good like perspective, like did that that That is a
Speaker 5: good question to raise. Did they at that or did
Speaker 5: they purposely put that after all of this stuff happened. So,
Speaker 5: but yeah, it was a cute It was a cute scene.
Speaker 5: Her mom is so fabulous amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a quick last thing, we can wrap up this
Speaker 3: topic at number one. I am sad though that we
Speaker 3: missed the Traders spoof that Phedra confirmed they did.
Speaker 4: They shot a this picture probably because of the your
Speaker 4: mother's try to sleep my Pappy. I mean it's a.
Speaker 2: Good reason and time.
Speaker 1: The thing is the network only the network only gives
Speaker 1: you so many episodes and the budgets, as we all
Speaker 1: know working in the business, the budgets aren't budgeting like
Speaker 1: they used to, so I think they have to make
Speaker 1: some very tough decisions and Blue, in my opinion, is correct.
Speaker 2: After the Mama they said, traders.
Speaker 4: Traders, you're bama.
Speaker 3: Try to sleep with my daddy has a way of
Speaker 3: me not caring about traders anymore. I will say this,
Speaker 3: and this is a problematic thought. I'm trying to push
Speaker 3: it out of my head. We're seeing Porscha finally come
Speaker 3: to the point where she's gonna choose sway. We all
Speaker 3: know she chose sway seeing the mother episode with Dennis there,
Speaker 3: my first thought was, now that she's in love with
Speaker 3: the woman Dennis gets to remain the only man in
Speaker 3: her life, and that as a pan sexual girly myself.
Speaker 2: So what way when you say that, do you mean emotionally, sexually,
Speaker 2: all the above?
Speaker 4: I'll say this when I would date women.
Speaker 3: There's a certain space that my male best friend of
Speaker 3: thirty years was able to take because even though he
Speaker 3: wasn't my partner, he was the man in my life
Speaker 3: like I had a partner, but he got to be
Speaker 3: the man in my life. So, as a woman who's
Speaker 3: dated both, there is a non sexual bond that happens.
Speaker 3: It happens with gay sometimes too. There are some gay
Speaker 3: men I know who have what is basically the straight
Speaker 3: wife equivalent best friend. Well and Grace perfect example. There
Speaker 3: were non sexual spouses, perfect example from the nineties. Shout
Speaker 3: out to those you know who will and Grace is.
Speaker 3: And there's a thing that happens when you are someone
Speaker 3: who dates both genders and there's someone that you've always
Speaker 3: loved who's one gender, but you end up with the
Speaker 3: other one.
Speaker 4: There's a duality there.
Speaker 3: That is not popular to talk about publicly, but I
Speaker 3: do feel that because she's madly in love with Sway,
Speaker 3: there's a special Dennis is the man in her life
Speaker 3: because he's the father of her child. In a way
Speaker 3: that might not have been possible she had end up
Speaker 3: with Mike. That's not a popular thing to say, but
Speaker 3: it doesn't make it any less accurate, problematic, not inaccurate.
Speaker 7: It don't seem like she was ever really into Mic
Speaker 7: like that. I think Mike was playing a carry. It
Speaker 7: just feels like so it feels like that I'm watching
Speaker 7: a to Carries Johnson play and he died. Good plays
Speaker 7: and there is good actors in there, but it's no
Speaker 7: shade him. But it feels like a black like safe play, like.
Speaker 4: Michael was fake.
Speaker 3: But imagine if Michael was a real man the Claudia.
Speaker 3: Imagine if Mike was like a man that she was
Speaker 3: madly in love with. There's a certain level of scooting
Speaker 3: over that Dennis would almost have to do, but her
Speaker 3: being madly in love with a woman. There is a
Speaker 3: certain level of posturing that men do when their partners
Speaker 3: are bisexual and not dating their same gender.
Speaker 4: I've seen it with my exes.
Speaker 3: I've had excess who if I get a girlfriend, they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: she's cute, y'all cute, but.
Speaker 4: He's But if I get with a guy, oh, who's
Speaker 4: this nigga?
Speaker 3: Like, it's very different energy, and men do it all
Speaker 3: the time when dating bisexual women. It's just an awkward
Speaker 3: but fact of being someone who dates both genders.
Speaker 7: I still feel like Porscha has. I think Dennis is
Speaker 7: the one right, the way she is around him, the
Speaker 7: way he can trigger her, the way he can still
Speaker 7: get on her skin and get her mad and.
Speaker 6: Then look out she's with me.
Speaker 7: She's like, he doesn't really want to kiss him on camera,
Speaker 7: She's kind of like, don't get your you know, you know,
Speaker 7: I feel like Sway is she likes likes Sway, but
Speaker 7: I feel like deep love the one member. How she
Speaker 7: upset she was about the ring thing like, and that
Speaker 7: was mean when he did that to her. I feel
Speaker 7: like sway Is is not a consolation prize because I
Speaker 7: don't want to be little Sway. I do think they
Speaker 7: do have something special, but I do think Dennis is
Speaker 7: like the one that got away.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it just seems.
Speaker 7: Like it's a different you know, you know when someone's
Speaker 7: around someone that hurt them deeply and they still get
Speaker 7: triggered because when you're past someone, you're like, man, whatever you.
Speaker 6: Can, it's whatever.
Speaker 7: But the way she reacts around certain things he does
Speaker 7: it still is. It seems like it seemed like they
Speaker 7: just broke up, you know, like she look at girls
Speaker 7: his face.
Speaker 3: What do you about the theory of that, even though
Speaker 3: she's madly in love with Sway.
Speaker 4: Me and Claudia. I'm not gonna speak for Jazz because
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 5: I was nodding an agreement because I also I agree.
Speaker 5: I just feel bad saying it out lousdccurate. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: do feel bad. But every time I watch them in
Speaker 5: the scene together, I'm just like, why the fuck won't
Speaker 5: they just stop playing and get there? But then I
Speaker 5: think back to well, now I was gonna say, then
Speaker 5: I think back to that special that she had that
Speaker 5: spin off and how crazy they were, but she was.
Speaker 5: She went crazy because he said he was bringing somebody
Speaker 5: else on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we all know that Porsche, no matter what scams
Speaker 3: she's been accused of, Nobody who watches the show does
Speaker 3: not believe that Porsche doesn't have deep, deep love for
Speaker 3: the father of her daughter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now he's the only man. Okay, Carlos.
Speaker 7: He does dress like he's always cold. Though someone said
Speaker 7: that he's always dressed with inclement weather.
Speaker 4: He does always he's Yeah, I'm an, I get it.
Speaker 7: It's always like I'm hilarious after my infusion though I
Speaker 7: cured it, like am I hemoglobin is out of thirteen fourteen.
Speaker 7: I'm straight now I got my my brain. So Dennis
Speaker 7: gets you a four hour infusion like an IVY.
Speaker 6: Get hooked up. It's like ten thousand dollars by your insurance.
Speaker 6: You get a little payper you rich.
Speaker 5: It works.
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's funny.
Speaker 1: This is interesting, which I love, by the way, because
Speaker 1: I love but I'm able to think on the spot.
Speaker 1: I didn't think about any of this until you said
Speaker 1: it Blue when I interview Porsche, and porsche istaid to me,
Speaker 1: I'm in love with Sway And I said, no, no.
Speaker 9: No, I know you love her, but you're in love.
Speaker 9: She said, no, no, I'm in love with her. And
Speaker 9: she said, why do you look so surprised? And I said,
Speaker 9: I just thought you was having fun, old girl, and
Speaker 9: y'all y'all were like doing whatever. She said, no, no,
Speaker 9: I'm in love with her. And she said it feels
Speaker 9: good to finally be free, like I'm gay. And I said, okay,
Speaker 9: like more power to you.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So it took me to hear her say she was
Speaker 1: in love with her, and I will say this that
Speaker 1: y'all could tell me how y'all feel about it.
Speaker 2: I believed her when she said it.
Speaker 1: And seeing and seeing how she is with Sway versus Mike,
Speaker 1: I think Mike was probably somebody she was attracted to
Speaker 1: as as a physical being, right, I think Sway is
Speaker 1: somebody she is in love with.
Speaker 2: I do think this. You can't deny the chemistry portion, Dennis,
Speaker 2: have you just you can. You're fool to not say
Speaker 2: you can't see it.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's palpable, it's prevalent, it's there, right, and
Speaker 1: it was it was it was hurtful, like Claudia, said
Speaker 1: to see Dennis play with the ring and her her
Speaker 1: feelings in that way, I am, it's fun. I never
Speaker 1: thought about this some now so with Dennis being the
Speaker 1: only man.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, she's physically attractive, Mike, But I don't.
Speaker 7: Even think she's I think she's got him on there
Speaker 7: because she thinks we think he's fine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's IMDb like, I don't see any spark with them.
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't either. I don't either.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, yeah, I don't see any sparks
Speaker 1: with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like.
Speaker 6: He fitsed a part, but I don't feel like.
Speaker 7: He's nothing like the guy she's been with, right, And
Speaker 7: I just feel like, you know, when you're like, Okay,
Speaker 7: the girls are gonna gag when I bring this one out.
Speaker 7: But you may not be into, but you know everybody
Speaker 7: else may think. So we're like, okay, you don't see
Speaker 7: it like whenever he goes a kisser, it's always it's
Speaker 7: not like a passion, it's you know when someone Yeah,
Speaker 7: open your mouth is a little bit poorsi open a mouth,
Speaker 7: you got a mouth, Open a mouth, it's a little bit.
Speaker 5: Do you guys think that she brought when I do
Speaker 5: you guys think that she brought Mike on to like
Speaker 5: ease us into her dating Sway, because like that's like
Speaker 5: a new thing for her, and like the way that
Speaker 5: she's she was presented when she first got on the show,
Speaker 5: and she grew up in the church and in this
Speaker 5: like civil rights family. Her dating a woman and being
Speaker 5: out is like a big deal. So maybe she didn't
Speaker 5: know how the audience will react to that. So do
Speaker 5: you guys think that Mike was kind of like a
Speaker 5: buffer to like get us, Like, Okay, I have Mike
Speaker 5: on and I'm between these two people. I don't really
Speaker 5: like this person that much, and like maybe the audience
Speaker 5: will buy into me liking this other person, even though
Speaker 5: this other person happens to be a woman, even though
Speaker 5: like we we don't care. But she didn't know that
Speaker 5: about us as an audience, So I think Mike may
Speaker 5: have just been a That's a great theory.
Speaker 3: Actually, sincerely believe that you're right about that, because even
Speaker 3: in the beginning, it was obvious that there was an
Speaker 3: instant spark with Sway and more of a to Claudia's point,
Speaker 3: kind of like Tyler Perry presents happening with my that's
Speaker 3: why people say IMDb page. I will say this, I
Speaker 3: personally know a bisexual woman who is madly, madly, madly
Speaker 3: in love with her partner. Like she her eyes, it's
Speaker 3: hard eye emoges around her. When you mentioned the father
Speaker 3: of her child, though, there's a shift in the room,
Speaker 3: and the only person she doesn't play about more than
Speaker 3: her girlfriend is the father of her child. And I
Speaker 3: think that's why I reck It was almost like pattern recognition.
Speaker 3: I was like you, I believe you're in love with Sway. Actually,
Speaker 3: me and Carlos are stupid. I believe she's in love
Speaker 3: with Sway, and I do think because she happened to
Speaker 3: fall in love with a woman, Dennis is now solidified
Speaker 3: as the only man in her life as a matter
Speaker 3: of just logistics and semantic and that does allow a
Speaker 3: certain thing that we don't always want to call out.
Speaker 3: But he is, he is, He's factually the man, the
Speaker 3: only man in her life.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: I don't even know.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know the girl like that anymore.
Speaker 6: So I don't know.
Speaker 7: But from an outside looking in, I don't even know
Speaker 7: if she's in love's way. I think it may be Luss,
Speaker 7: it's something different. It's fun think about it. Like two
Speaker 7: years ago, Portia was like in a really bad place
Speaker 7: with the public image, right after the whole thing with Simon.
Speaker 7: It was trash and she was avoiding coming back on
Speaker 7: the Housewise.
Speaker 6: People were mad at her.
Speaker 7: How are you gonna come on the show and not
Speaker 7: talk about your relationship? That's the one thing you want
Speaker 7: to know, And it was bad for her. Like the
Speaker 7: from that point to now, it's been a rehab with
Speaker 7: the image, you know what I mean, it has been
Speaker 7: no we look at.
Speaker 2: The college, the college.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, no, he definitely is. You definitely are. But
Speaker 7: you know, and I feel like she's been It's been great.
Speaker 7: She's been able to turn that around and like we're
Speaker 7: you know, And I think Mike was this part of it.
Speaker 7: I think Sway is like you know, when you like
Speaker 7: date a certain type for a while and just anything
Speaker 7: against that type just feels good because you know, she
Speaker 7: don't been taken through that in the last few years.
Speaker 7: It's been been a rough ride for her. I don't
Speaker 7: see you with Mike. I think she I think it's
Speaker 7: a lot of lust and sexual energy between her and Sway.
Speaker 7: But I think Sway looks like Sway seems like she
Speaker 7: wants to really get married, and really I think Portia
Speaker 7: would be a little bit like, I love.
Speaker 6: You, but I don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 2: Time will tell you, We'll see, We'll see. But these
Speaker 2: are all good theories. Go ahead, jas somebody put.
Speaker 5: In the comments that, like Porschia said that she has
Speaker 5: dipped her toe on the Lady Pound. We know, like
Speaker 5: we all know that nobody's denying that. So we're just
Speaker 5: like being out and open with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a difference.
Speaker 1: It's like when a real man decides to finally have
Speaker 1: an open relationship with another man versus like how you
Speaker 1: get from his family and friends.
Speaker 2: And I'm the uncle with the roommate. Do you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So we're just saying that there's a
Speaker 2: different way of seeing.
Speaker 1: This exactly with no fu time. But I will say,
Speaker 1: rain jobs. Let us know the comments. I'm actually fascinated
Speaker 1: by this thought and this theory, and hopefully next season
Speaker 1: we get to explore some of that.
Speaker 7: Way you can prove what's wrong and mary sway and
Speaker 7: we can be like, oh, we gotta eat crow. We
Speaker 7: don't know who knows, only they know, We don't know.
Speaker 7: We're just like doing commentary from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, I did not believe Mike
Speaker 1: when he said he's a love of Porsche.
Speaker 2: I know, because you know I'm fair.
Speaker 1: I did think to your point, it was curious Johnson Taler, Perry,
Speaker 1: Shonda Rhimes, Ryan Kugler, it was it was definitely giving,
Speaker 1: like did someone put in big letters say you're in
Speaker 1: love with her? Like I that that to me. Listen
Speaker 1: whether or not that that relationship was made for TV
Speaker 1: and it was a fake thing. That comment alone, I
Speaker 1: think all of us said, we don't believe any of this.
Speaker 1: We're grown if I if I've been honest, we that
Speaker 1: when Mike said I'm in love with her, I literally said, well,
Speaker 1: this wasn't real to begin with, because.
Speaker 6: I mean, have we even seen them kiss.
Speaker 4: Were her?
Speaker 3: Mind?
Speaker 4: Were her? This is how she kissed Mike.
Speaker 6: Yeah, not with the mouth like.
Speaker 2: Bracing for.
Speaker 7: If Portia like falls in love quick and fast tracked
Speaker 7: relationship and she still was like you can tell.
Speaker 3: And the walking closet. You saw that scene when you
Speaker 3: look good today with no makeup and she's like, oh,
Speaker 3: thank you child. He should be he should be auditioning with.
Speaker 4: Pinky next season. Chiad Let's just bring the whole story
Speaker 4: full circle.
Speaker 3: You can play Pinky's husband next to whoever should me
Speaker 3: and them next.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry er there for our guys. I apologize.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's okay, Blue.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Ladies like, well, fine, okay, I want to get into
Speaker 1: So Tramia had a Halloween party. Ky Michelle said she
Speaker 1: doesn't believe it's celebrating the devil. She did show up anyway,
Speaker 1: after the double date with Porsche and Mike.
Speaker 5: Why did Michelle say that? Like when she said that,
Speaker 5: I was like, so, you will do everything else, but
Speaker 5: Halloween is where you draw the line.
Speaker 6: That's why I draw the line.
Speaker 4: Everybody's husband in here, but I'm not doing Halloween. She said,
Speaker 4: what remember when she was like, oh, everybody's.
Speaker 3: So sexy, we should have a five way. Sure, but
Speaker 3: you won't to do Halloween. You want to do trick
Speaker 3: or treat.
Speaker 7: But you're okay right, Yeah, See that's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 7: The Bible girls, they be having.
Speaker 6: Fun on the weekend, on the weekdays.
Speaker 4: So at the party, we were able to see my
Speaker 4: skin ca routinas.
Speaker 6: Petty does work, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: So we were able At Shaniya's Halloween party, we were
Speaker 1: also able to see Jarvis, Kelly's boyfriend in disguise Jasmin.
Speaker 2: Since you made a face first, you go first?
Speaker 1: What do you think of Jarvis showing up in helmet,
Speaker 1: a motorcycle jacket, leather pants, and some Aldo boots.
Speaker 5: Wow, it was it was so dumb.
Speaker 6: It was so late.
Speaker 5: I'm just like, Okay, we're not going to see the guy.
Speaker 5: Don't have him come to the Halloween party. Then like
Speaker 5: this is I didn't like it. That's all I have
Speaker 5: to say. But I mean I think Kelly's kind of late,
Speaker 5: so it kind of goes, yeah, ys late, she is late,
Speaker 5: she is late. I have a I have a limit
Speaker 5: to like how I will describe this because it will
Speaker 5: sound meaner than I intended to be.
Speaker 6: So I will I'll oh, don't worry. We're never met
Speaker 6: on this show, right, But.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to establish myself as different and unique from
Speaker 5: the rest of you, So I want to be nice.
Speaker 2: He's going on.
Speaker 6: Single girls.
Speaker 4: She came for.
Speaker 5: Now you're starting rumors and you're turning it into something else.
Speaker 6: I mean, now, I'm angela.
Speaker 4: Damn you said it, not me.
Speaker 3: Look, I think Jarvis was a waiter child. I think
Speaker 3: they put a Clava on one of the waiters to say,
Speaker 3: you're my boyfriend for the night.
Speaker 4: It felt I agree with Jazz on this. It was
Speaker 4: it was production.
Speaker 3: It was a member of production job, so they had
Speaker 3: to hide his face because he's a gaffer.
Speaker 5: I'm not like you at the house. Damn that that's
Speaker 5: how we okay, right, don't be starn rumors. I said
Speaker 5: it in the context of how we talk about this show.
Speaker 5: You know, I think the world of you, ladies, and
Speaker 5: I think y'all are fab and beautiful and amazing. But yeah,
Speaker 5: when we talk about the show, I'm trying to be
Speaker 5: the nice one.
Speaker 6: You're not though you're nice.
Speaker 5: Mean, Yeah, you.
Speaker 7: Take killow Ship with a very sweet disposition. I'll say
Speaker 7: something nice, but my face gives bitch and they'd be
Speaker 7: like she diting.
Speaker 6: Yes and blue you see blue? So you be blurnt
Speaker 6: it out talking and ship. They don't you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So Ship of Carlos King, he craded a panel of
Speaker 5: people who play very particular roles.
Speaker 3: I just had a thought, in the same way that
Speaker 3: the winn the pool, we found out that it was
Speaker 3: all those characters were just different facets of the little
Speaker 3: boy We're all just different facets of Carlos King.
Speaker 4: You love all the girls, but it's bullshit.
Speaker 6: That says I love.
Speaker 4: The last castle of your personality. I see what's going
Speaker 4: on now.
Speaker 2: The no be allegan too. Carlos cast girl could be
Speaker 2: his mouth bes.
Speaker 4: Or the cichades of Carlos King.
Speaker 6: Don't you always do that? Carlos to do the dirty
Speaker 6: work right because I have no mind of my own.
Speaker 2: But listen, don't hear Carlos don't have nice?
Speaker 4: Carlos hit it no so jazz is so we.
Speaker 6: Could read ship with a small jazz. I don't see
Speaker 6: this nice.
Speaker 4: No be mean.
Speaker 5: The lateness comes in with the like the fashion for me?
Speaker 5: Oh super late, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
Speaker 5: But also to be nice to each their own if
Speaker 5: she likes it, who am I to judge?
Speaker 6: A panelist on the show.
Speaker 4: Said, did you read the job description? Friends?
Speaker 5: Okay, we the job description. Sweetie, I used to be
Speaker 5: the executive producer. I'm well versed.
Speaker 3: We want the podcast that that is more Carlos the
Speaker 3: sweetie and producer. You're literally never beating the allegation. You
Speaker 3: see how letting that plane?
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I jumped a right I did, Carlos.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Carlos, that's my case.
Speaker 4: Thank you another one, thank you?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: So Blue, what did you think of Kelly breaking Jarvins,
Speaker 1: who you thought was the gaffer?
Speaker 4: I haven't said enough today.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I hope, I hope you know the
Speaker 3: check leaders. I hope she mayn paid his invoice.
Speaker 2: Claudia Jordans, I.
Speaker 7: Think that's her real man. I think she's like, uh,
Speaker 7: this is my second season. Check you know you get
Speaker 7: it next season when you double it. And they don't
Speaker 7: do that anymore that you see before. They try to
Speaker 7: start you out with sixty thousand dollars and then go
Speaker 7: to one twenty, then go to two fifty, and go
Speaker 7: to five hundred and go to a million. She's like, uh,
Speaker 7: you'll get that later. And I don't blame her, because
Speaker 7: soon as you show his face, here come one of
Speaker 7: them other hessus gone say that their friends slept with them,
Speaker 7: someone's mama slept with them, someone's cousin fucked them, someone's due.
Speaker 4: What's with him?
Speaker 6: I don't blame her.
Speaker 7: Take your time to show his face, and when you
Speaker 7: do show his face, do it when you're real serious.
Speaker 7: When this damn naire wedding special because it does not pay.
Speaker 7: They will embarrass you every time. Don't don't go in
Speaker 7: there and get embarrassed, because let me tell you, you
Speaker 7: can go on in and be like, oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 7: bring this guy and be all happy, and then a
Speaker 7: few weeks in the film and they'll do something to
Speaker 7: embarrass you and you can't take that back.
Speaker 6: You gotta live with that favor. So I'm not mad
Speaker 6: at it. I'm not mad at it. I wouldn't give them.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't give hm his face head either. No, and
Speaker 6: then don't put them show.
Speaker 7: But why have him on the show? Like she found
Speaker 7: a loophole. She's like, Oh, I need to bring him in.
Speaker 7: It's a Halloween party. You can wear a mask.
Speaker 3: Did y'all realize the season started with a dude on
Speaker 3: the phone and we ended with a dude behind a mask?
Speaker 4: What is going on? Yeah? Oh?
Speaker 6: And Drew, Oh yeah, I'm black?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because like listen, ain't nothing like getting humiliated on
Speaker 7: TV by your dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And I've seen some little shady people in the comments.
Speaker 6: You ain't had a husband and house. I know I didn't.
Speaker 7: But the guy that interviewed was an NBA player, and
Speaker 7: thank god he didn't get on there for the season
Speaker 7: two because I would have.
Speaker 6: Been embarrassed because he proposes someone else. He was a
Speaker 6: big oh.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying, so you got to really know these
Speaker 7: people bring him on the show, You got to really know.
Speaker 7: Even the husbands be embarrassing the wives on the show. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I do want to say it, no name, but there's
Speaker 7: a couple of husbands that have embarrassed their wives on
Speaker 7: this show, not just this season. So you damn sure
Speaker 7: a boyfriend, Nah, you ain't getting no camera time until
Speaker 7: I know for sure.
Speaker 3: When the husbands do with Claudia, I believe it's negging.
Speaker 3: Negging for those who don't know, it's part of the
Speaker 3: manosphere where you're dating woman who's highly powerful and you
Speaker 3: say little things that are negative to dip, take away
Speaker 3: her personality and humble her. I think a lot of
Speaker 3: the husbands who embarrass their wives, I don't ever think
Speaker 3: it's a mistake. I think a lot of husbands resent
Speaker 3: their wives in the spotlight sometimes and we'll conect them
Speaker 3: on camera just to bring them down a notch.
Speaker 2: And if Kim Jobia I.
Speaker 6: Can do that, have a whole sugar Daddy sponsor and
Speaker 6: not show him.
Speaker 7: Ever, then why can't the sisters Bella Clava though okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 7: he was married though, right.
Speaker 1: So what we were able to get in this Halloween
Speaker 1: party was weeks ago in Scotland, Angela accused Shemia of
Speaker 1: having sex with her neighbor's husband named George.
Speaker 2: George and Ashley asked, she's the wife.
Speaker 1: Ashley was the one that Shamia texted in Scotland to
Speaker 1: get the tea, and Ashley said, none of this is true.
Speaker 2: My husband did not say that.
Speaker 1: Angela was pretty much investigating whether or not it was true,
Speaker 1: and also she wanted to know if it was okay
Speaker 1: for our profits up. So George and Ashley are there,
Speaker 1: and in this moment, Angela says she's putting cases to
Speaker 1: on all you bitches in the words of Denzel Washington.
Speaker 1: So here we are because Kelly is trying to have
Speaker 1: Shemiah's back, saying that what.
Speaker 2: Did she say? Something was short as you're heel the
Speaker 2: and then Angela said, it's as.
Speaker 1: Short as the least on your house because this is
Speaker 1: your landlord. Kelly said, your husband doesn't even want to
Speaker 1: wake up with you in the morning. So the girls
Speaker 1: are shading each other. And the biggest thing that came
Speaker 1: out of this was George said that he was joking
Speaker 1: when apparently he made a comment that Angela saying he's singing,
Speaker 1: saying that when he mentioned Mia, he had to pay her.
Speaker 1: Drew said Angela was vindicated. Ky Michelle says she's not vindicated.
Speaker 1: It's not adding up. Shamir clarified this saying and he
Speaker 1: did not say that. What he did say is she
Speaker 1: looks so good. I had to pay her. What I
Speaker 1: will say is this, Angela Oakley, I love you. This
Speaker 1: is a stain on your record this season.
Speaker 2: It's not the end of you.
Speaker 1: But what I will say is I do want Angela
Speaker 1: Oakley to learn from It was like Tyra, I want Angela. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to learn from this because this did not
Speaker 1: make her look any better to me.
Speaker 2: And I think what's getting lost in all of this
Speaker 2: is Angela Oakley decided to even take that comment.
Speaker 1: Let's say for argument's sake, that he said what Angela
Speaker 1: said that when I met her, I.
Speaker 2: Had to pay her. Let's say he said that right.
Speaker 4: It was obviously yeah.
Speaker 1: That does not indicate that Shmiah had sex with George
Speaker 1: and That's the reason why this scene bothered me, because
Speaker 1: I did feel like, and I love girls, I did
Speaker 1: feel like the other girls really showed that.
Speaker 2: Because Portia ain't fucking with Shamia, that they had to
Speaker 2: join on the Angela train, when to me this was
Speaker 2: black and white. Angela wanted to get Shamia.
Speaker 1: She found a nugget, she contacted the man's wife, her
Speaker 1: neighbor to confirm it. When that didn't happen, she then decided,
Speaker 1: let me use this against her because me saying your
Speaker 1: my daughter was uncomfortable fell flat, and this fell flat.
Speaker 1: So I think at the end of the day, Angela
Speaker 1: love you down boots. This was a very bad look
Speaker 1: for you, and you have to just own it. There's
Speaker 1: no vindication here for me.
Speaker 7: Claudia your thoughts, I agree, and it pains me to
Speaker 7: say that because I really do like Angela, and you know,
Speaker 7: when we like people, we want to be able to
Speaker 7: be able to find some way to defend their actions.
Speaker 7: But there is no defenses Angela. I get at the time,
Speaker 7: it sounded like good tea to bring to the show.
Speaker 7: We like got it because that's what all the girls do.
Speaker 7: I'm like, when they get on the show, they all
Speaker 7: try to get something to just have in my back
Speaker 7: pocket just in case you try me one day. I
Speaker 7: have my big joker, Right, this wasn't a big joker,
Speaker 7: and I wish that she didn't double down on it
Speaker 7: because outside of this, Angela has been very credible on this.
Speaker 6: Well then then it was the other little thing.
Speaker 2: The favor thing last season. Yeah, we.
Speaker 6: Still don't know.
Speaker 2: Well no, but the thing is then and that's why
Speaker 2: Angela love you. But we gotta be fair.
Speaker 1: I do, and I said this, I do believe Angela
Speaker 1: was told that by somebody that they I believe that.
Speaker 1: I don't think Angela made a favor. I definitely think
Speaker 1: she was told that I and I stand by that.
Speaker 1: The problem is, if that's how you feel, the way
Speaker 1: you are making up a favor of this season, it
Speaker 1: makes no sense to me.
Speaker 2: And that's why I will never understand why they do.
Speaker 1: Have a heart on first, why Angela has a heart
Speaker 1: on for trying to prove to me as a cheater.
Speaker 1: Because let's call a spade and spade, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: keep it real like we always do it. Bothers Angela
Speaker 1: that Charles Oakley kept her a secret and makes jokes
Speaker 1: about her and these ladies making comments about it. It
Speaker 1: bothers her, it does, and I get it. I get it,
Speaker 1: and I don't blame Angela for that. It is well
Speaker 1: known in Atlanta that Charles was not hanging out with
Speaker 1: Angela the way he does now, and it's not a secret.
Speaker 2: These girls can make that up, and I think rightfully,
Speaker 2: so it bothers Angela and I understand it.
Speaker 1: But just because somebody is calling out what used to happen,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you try to find a loophole to say, well,
Speaker 1: you're the one fucking him.
Speaker 2: And I think that's where she's losing us.
Speaker 7: And and you know, because these girls all rush to
Speaker 7: quickly call the ceasefire with Porscha, right and they're feeling
Speaker 7: in good graces over there, they have to have an
Speaker 7: adversary on the show, so might as well just be
Speaker 7: Shmiah Shemi has done enough where there could be some
Speaker 7: reasons to like, have some beef and pep. And you know,
Speaker 7: a lot of the audience members don't really like her
Speaker 7: like that, some deuce a lot of them don't, so
Speaker 7: she's an easy target. But the way y'all are making
Speaker 7: up with Porscha, says she with fucking man. Whether it's
Speaker 7: a joke or not, that joke is forgivable. But then
Speaker 7: you can't understand how George saying this stupid ass joke.
Speaker 7: I think it was very tacky for George to say
Speaker 7: this knowing that he has a wife. I think he
Speaker 7: was dead ass wrong for that, and bless his wife
Speaker 7: for forgiving him. But the way that Shemiah is getting
Speaker 7: the smoke for what this fool said about her, that
Speaker 7: wasn't her fault. Imagine, ladies, all the times a man
Speaker 7: has said something inappropriate about you, maybe lied in your
Speaker 7: koochie or whatever, lit on his ding, and you get
Speaker 7: you're held accountable for what he said about you. What
Speaker 7: I know, you fucking line, No way, that's not Angela.
Speaker 7: Just like something that Charles may have done that someone
Speaker 7: can maybe point at, is not your fault. It's not
Speaker 7: Shamiah's fault for George making a very inappropriate, off color
Speaker 7: joke that he should not have said, especially being married
Speaker 7: or being with somebody else, that was on him, and it.
Speaker 6: Seemed like he liked the attention.
Speaker 7: Like that scene all I may have said it, dude,
Speaker 7: clean that shit up. You know what, I was drunk,
Speaker 7: I shouldn't have said that. It was disrespectful to my
Speaker 7: wife and it was resprectful to Shamia and apologize, but
Speaker 7: he kind of was like joking joking about it. That
Speaker 7: wasn't cute to me at all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, And I have gone into this scene
Speaker 5: with the idea because when Angela initially brought that up
Speaker 5: to Shamiah, Shamia said something about George like donating there
Speaker 5: was some charity involved, because then they showed a photo
Speaker 5: of Shamiah with a check in her hand. So I
Speaker 5: literally was like, oh, he made the comment like she
Speaker 5: was so fine, I had to pay her because he
Speaker 5: gave her a check for like charity or something. Yes,
Speaker 5: So it was while it wasn't inappropriate thing to say,
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, he did give her money, but
Speaker 5: it was for the charity thing. So I didn't know
Speaker 5: why it was like such a big deal and why
Speaker 5: Angela thought it was such a smoking gun. So going
Speaker 5: into this, I actually thought he was going to clear
Speaker 5: that up, like, oh, she was so fine, I had
Speaker 5: to give her this money for this charity, and then
Speaker 5: he didn't. He just kind of made it murkier. So
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, you just are out here making like
Speaker 5: off color comments about this woman while you're married, while
Speaker 5: while she's married. It was just very distasteful, but like
Speaker 5: it never felt like that big of a deal to me, honestly, And.
Speaker 7: I wish Shemia would sad And I gotta give you
Speaker 7: my you know a little bit of my opinion. You
Speaker 7: stop making the jokes about about Angela and Charles because
Speaker 7: a it could happen. Any one of y'all could be
Speaker 7: in that situation. Okay, Like, don't revel in that, you know,
Speaker 7: do not revel that what could happen to you. We
Speaker 7: don't want that to happen. And I think it's like
Speaker 7: stopping from moving forward because Angela can feel Josepha, will
Speaker 7: you keep making little taking a little jobs on my marriage?
Speaker 6: Well, you're gonna get this monk from me.
Speaker 7: And it's going back and forth, and nobody wants to
Speaker 7: lower their gun first, so it's just going back and forth.
Speaker 7: And I actually think if they would stop that, we
Speaker 7: could probably get some good TV from them together.
Speaker 4: This is the perfect segue. Thank you, Claudia.
Speaker 3: I think this episode made me realize that Shamiya and
Speaker 3: Angela are the same person. If Samiyah had emotional regulations,
Speaker 3: she would be Angela. If Angela showed her feelings more
Speaker 3: and was more honest about how much things bothered her,
Speaker 3: she'd be should be A. They're both two tourist women,
Speaker 3: shout out to the Google girlies. Both of them their
Speaker 3: sensitive spots are their marriages and how they're proceed by
Speaker 3: the public. Both of them would love to have an
Speaker 3: ace in their back pocket at all times, just in
Speaker 3: case there's a goatcha. Both of them can't let stuff
Speaker 3: go if they feel like they haven't got the last
Speaker 3: word they In my opinion watching them this episode, I
Speaker 3: think they're very similar. And sometimes the girl who reminds me,
Speaker 3: that reminds you the most of yourself is the one
Speaker 3: who triggers you the most. Right, Angela was annoyed that
Speaker 3: Shamillah wouldn't let it go that she's the one who
Speaker 3: snitched to Porsche that Shamiyah was making little dicks to
Speaker 3: all the girls and Angela was the snitch. Smilla couldn't
Speaker 3: let it go that it was going on Angela, and
Speaker 3: then Angela wouldn't let it go the digs that was
Speaker 3: made by her husband. Both of them can't take a
Speaker 3: joke with each other, and as I want to look
Speaker 3: up their birthdays.
Speaker 4: As two tourist women, we're really.
Speaker 3: Watching spider Man spider Man, and I think because Angela
Speaker 3: is more regal in her presentation, while Shamia has always
Speaker 3: been seen as the bestie sidekick. That's why we're not
Speaker 3: seeing the obvious. But this episode, I was like, now,
Speaker 3: hold on, hold on, it's the same Niga twice.
Speaker 5: So id every housewife though all those Characteristsicsy described about
Speaker 5: the two of them, that's all all of the housewives.
Speaker 4: It's the way that they do it.
Speaker 3: Though, because perfect example, Drewid is not like that. When
Speaker 3: Drew has stuff, Drew plays a little bit more of
Speaker 3: the confusion and victim game.
Speaker 4: She's actually not like that. When you look at Pinky,
Speaker 4: Pinky is the boss, babe.
Speaker 3: When you look at Porsche, Porscha flies above all the
Speaker 3: head is like, there's a thing about how sense yet
Speaker 3: prideful both of them are that as a tourist woman,
Speaker 3: myself is very tourist women coded. And because they're sensitive
Speaker 3: but prideful, there's a stubbornness to just admit defeat.
Speaker 1: And I'll also add to your point, is now lost
Speaker 1: on me that besides Pinky and came Michelle, Yes, but
Speaker 1: they're both married to powerful older men.
Speaker 3: The similarities when you trace it outside of just basic
Speaker 3: housewife one on one is there's a way they both
Speaker 3: have similar pain points, which is why they both keep
Speaker 3: pushing those same buttons over and over again, and even
Speaker 3: though it might feel exhausting to the audience, it keeps
Speaker 3: working because it is the same pain point. The same
Speaker 3: button on Angela is the same button that works with Shemia.
Speaker 4: And here's the thing.
Speaker 3: I think that if they do just take the L
Speaker 3: and say, you know, a girl, this was stupid, let's
Speaker 3: start over next season, they actually, to me could be
Speaker 3: good friends. And I think one of them is going
Speaker 3: to have to stand down until one of them says
Speaker 3: I'll be the bigger person. Which, by the way, I'm
Speaker 3: not the person who's always saying to be the bigger person,
Speaker 3: because sometimes you want you don't want, you don't want
Speaker 3: to be small, right, But like I do think if
Speaker 3: one of them stood down, the other one would be
Speaker 3: able to let it go until one of them takes
Speaker 3: the L.
Speaker 4: This is going to go on forever.
Speaker 3: I think they have a lock jow around each other
Speaker 3: until somebody stands down, They're never going to be able
Speaker 3: to get past it the way that angels don't a
Speaker 3: portion everybody else, somebody has to stand down.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's whack though, you know what I mean,
Speaker 7: it really is because it's like some of the things
Speaker 7: that people find are some things that are forgivable in
Speaker 7: one scenario, which I think are not. But when someone
Speaker 7: else was like a lesser off offense, it's like, it's
Speaker 7: fuck you forever, And I'm like, wait, what, Like I
Speaker 7: don't know, but I guess it depends on the source,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, it's the source and who
Speaker 7: it comes from some people.
Speaker 1: One thing I did want to ask you, ladies, and
Speaker 1: before I close it out with Drew and the Horse,
Speaker 1: is there something This is what a lot of people
Speaker 1: on TikTok social media are talking about, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask the three of you did tonight. Is there
Speaker 1: something to be said that's plausible that some of these
Speaker 1: ladies do look.
Speaker 2: At Shamia's life and internally.
Speaker 1: They could be a little bit jealous that based on optics,
Speaker 1: because we don't know what happens in people's household, based
Speaker 1: on optics alone, that Smiah has a life that a
Speaker 1: lot of these girls want, and that's why it's hard.
Speaker 2: For them to.
Speaker 1: Not forgive her, and it's easy for them to shade her.
Speaker 1: Are people reaching with that or starting with you Blue?
Speaker 1: Do you think there's some merit to that.
Speaker 3: I think that when you are someone who is powerful,
Speaker 3: but you're the only one who doesn't realize just how
Speaker 3: powerful you are, it becomes a reason for people to
Speaker 3: pick at you. I think I've gone through this. I
Speaker 3: can't speak for Jazz or Claudia. Please tell me if
Speaker 3: you have. There've been moments where I've technically been the
Speaker 3: person in the position of power, but because I it's
Speaker 3: so bad to seem like I was like the other girls,
Speaker 3: or to seem like I was down to earth, or
Speaker 3: it seemed like I was relatable, I almost gave the
Speaker 3: power away to make myself relatable and that made them
Speaker 3: respect me less. And then when I was like, actually
Speaker 3: this is my shit, suddenly everybody respected me. So I
Speaker 3: do think that to Carlos's earlier point, if Shamiah really
Speaker 3: stood in the fact that she objectively has the most
Speaker 3: popping life on the franchise right now.
Speaker 4: Objectively, right she.
Speaker 3: Has a doting husband who is obsessed with her, She's filthy, rich,
Speaker 3: her body is banging. She's talented as fuck, she's funny
Speaker 3: as hell, she's friends with ever goddamn Boddy. She has
Speaker 3: all this access, she's tenured in Atlanta. Technically speaking, on paper,
Speaker 3: she could be a juggernaut just as big as portion,
Speaker 3: but because she doesn't own it. Ah Achilles, heel, you're
Speaker 3: technically the most popping, but you don't know you're the
Speaker 3: most popping. We're gonna always have a look back with you.
Speaker 3: I think, honestly, if Shamia ever fully stood in her power,
Speaker 3: we would see an entirely different shift in the ecosystem
Speaker 3: for everybody. And I think they like knowing the girl
Speaker 3: who's popping can still be easily dismantled. I think they
Speaker 3: enjoy that, they enjoy it, and they can shake her
Speaker 3: even though she's at.
Speaker 4: The top of the mountain.
Speaker 2: I have an agree with you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the girls first. I will say this,
Speaker 1: And this was going to my earlier point. Shemiah has
Speaker 1: as somebody who lived in Atlanta and know a lot
Speaker 1: of the girls in Atlanta, not the reality not just
Speaker 1: the reality girls. Gerald was very much sought after. And
Speaker 1: my correction, Gerald met Shemia.
Speaker 2: In his fifties.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, So Gerald was a fifty something year old
Speaker 1: African in Atlanta that was single.
Speaker 2: Y'all do the math, and y'all do the rest.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So the fact that Shemiah was chosen, He saw Shemi
Speaker 1: and said you and nine years later and you see
Speaker 1: what's happening.
Speaker 2: I do think Shemia uh.
Speaker 1: Has to own it the way she owns these apologies
Speaker 1: that she don't need to own. I Shemiah has every
Speaker 1: every opportunity to be the black Heather of the bro.
Speaker 2: On oc.
Speaker 1: I watch oc Heather of the bro owns the fact
Speaker 1: that my husband's rich, I head of the bro owns
Speaker 1: it right, and as pretentious as she is, I respect it,
Speaker 1: and I'm and I'm not asking for Shemia to be
Speaker 1: anybody by herself. But I do think that when you
Speaker 1: look at a lot of the girls in Atlanta, not
Speaker 1: just reality girl leads, they ain't living like Shemiah.
Speaker 2: And I think Samia makes it easy to poke fun
Speaker 2: at her.
Speaker 1: And I just think, and we'll discuss his post reunion.
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's a coincidence that this sea
Speaker 1: then all of the girls are coming for her. I
Speaker 1: think that, in my opinion, the only one that makes
Speaker 1: sense to have beat with her. It's porship. I don't
Speaker 1: get it from any of them. Like Claudia said, where
Speaker 1: it has stuck around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Claudia your thoughts.
Speaker 6: Shimian needs to hang with Kenya Moore for like a year. Yes,
Speaker 6: you know how Keny Moore is like, it is what
Speaker 6: it is?
Speaker 5: This is it.
Speaker 6: She doesn't apologize for shit. Well no, she apousizes when
Speaker 6: she's wrong, but she doesn't apologize.
Speaker 1: But who she is, Claudia the gay gives Kenya Moore
Speaker 1: has been righting ninety nine point nine percent of the time.
Speaker 2: Continue she annoys the girls.
Speaker 4: That annoys everybody.
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm gonna say this, someone told this
Speaker 1: to Kenya. I will never forget this. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say his name, although I think I said in the interview,
Speaker 1: I'll just give it away.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: So anyway, somebody said they told Kenya the problem, the
Speaker 1: reason why these girls hate you.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're the villain. You have a smart mouth and
Speaker 2: all that he said to her.
Speaker 1: You have the audacity to be beautiful, you're smart, you
Speaker 1: use big words, and you really don't have a man
Speaker 1: take care of you. You have the audacity to be
Speaker 1: all these things. And you wonder why these girls hate you?
Speaker 1: And I never looked at it that way. But go ahead, Claudia,
Speaker 1: copy of me paste.
Speaker 7: They want there to be some struggle. So you find
Speaker 7: women like that, what will people will do to bring
Speaker 7: them down on otch? Is say, but they're a whore,
Speaker 7: But they're really broke, But they're miserable. Something must be
Speaker 7: wrong with your what you ain't got no kid? They
Speaker 7: always got to but you ain't.
Speaker 6: They always got to bring you down a little bit.
Speaker 7: I think Shamiah brings herself down a little bit to
Speaker 7: make everybody else feel comfortable.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: You know, you got the.
Speaker 7: Money, you got the man, you got this. She can't,
Speaker 7: on top of all that, pop out in a new
Speaker 7: Bentley truck tomorrow.
Speaker 6: It's too much. The girls can't take it, so she
Speaker 6: downplays herself.
Speaker 7: When I remember Smida being like a cheerleader right for
Speaker 7: the Hawks, I always thought those girls made fifty dollars
Speaker 7: a week, I felt like.
Speaker 6: Oh damn, so sad. Little do we know that's for fun?
Speaker 6: She don't need to do none of that shit.
Speaker 7: Right, Yes, she downplays herself to make everybody else feel comfortable.
Speaker 7: Then they get too comfortable. Toy start feeling themselves and
Speaker 7: smelling themselves, and then they get she showing them how
Speaker 7: to treat her. Shamiah walk with a big stick. Next season.
Speaker 7: Let your dick hang next.
Speaker 6: Season, seriously love it.
Speaker 4: I would let you meat hang.
Speaker 7: Don't apausize anymore. Matter of fact, go bigger when you
Speaker 7: come back next season. I want the first scene to
Speaker 7: be you going to buy and buy a house for
Speaker 7: fun on a tour. Go buy some jewelry where people
Speaker 7: are renting jewels and getting stuff on a loan.
Speaker 6: Go do some ball of stuff. You're not doing enough.
Speaker 6: You do a lot, You're not doing enough.
Speaker 4: Deek out.
Speaker 7: Heavy deep on the table, and then give them a reason.
Speaker 7: Oh you're gonna hate me anyways. You know what I've
Speaker 7: been down playing to make all you girls feel comfortable. Uh,
Speaker 7: let me just show you what what I can really bring.
Speaker 7: I think she should just live in it and just
Speaker 7: see how that goes. Because Kenya first wanted people to
Speaker 7: like her right when she embraced the villain role.
Speaker 6: Flourished, flourished in that role. Now people like me, how
Speaker 6: can you be friends? Or I know her for real,
Speaker 6: like in real life.
Speaker 2: I like her.
Speaker 7: She's never been well. She was shading me one time
Speaker 7: about one thing, but outside of that, like she was
Speaker 7: but you got over it. But we laugh about it though.
Speaker 7: We laugh about it, like we had that kind of friend.
Speaker 7: I'm like, but you drive me that one. She's like,
Speaker 7: but you know, to me, stop you're apologizing and downpoying
Speaker 7: yourself to make these girls feel comfortable.
Speaker 6: That ain't gonna like you anyways, So you might as
Speaker 6: well just stunt and.
Speaker 7: Shout out to Kelly, who's on the opposite end of
Speaker 7: the spectrum financially right now. That shows me you're actually
Speaker 7: a very secure person that you're like. I'm going through
Speaker 7: myself right now, but I can be friends with a
Speaker 7: girl like that. I'm not tripping.
Speaker 4: She's not.
Speaker 7: She's like the only one that's not really not the
Speaker 7: only one. She's not jealous, And I am to seek
Speaker 7: the beef like between Samiah and Drew. Surface can be
Speaker 7: that could be worked through. It's service and it ain't
Speaker 7: really that deep. Like you said, Cols, the only real
Speaker 7: beef is really her and Porsche. All these other ones
Speaker 7: are just people kind of like you know, picking sides.
Speaker 7: I think living your truth be that big dog next season,
Speaker 7: and I think things are going to change for you,
Speaker 7: I really do.
Speaker 6: I agree with you there.
Speaker 5: That goes back to my point of I want to
Speaker 5: see her just be a housewife. I want to see
Speaker 5: you shopping and all of the extravagance that comes with that.
Speaker 5: But I think, Carlos, to your question, are the girls
Speaker 5: maybe a little bit jealous of SMI it's easy, like
Speaker 5: sometimes you are jealous of a person and you don't
Speaker 5: realize that you're jealous. Something about them just bothers you.
Speaker 5: And I actually would like to extend that to the
Speaker 5: audience too, because the way that the audience reacts to
Speaker 5: Shemia feels unearned. And I'm just like, now that I'm
Speaker 5: thinking about it, maybe there's a little maybe there's a
Speaker 5: little bit of jealousy from people in the audience too,
Speaker 5: Like if you don't like Shemiah and you don't know why.
Speaker 5: And I say this about any beautiful, vivacious woman on TV,
Speaker 5: there's always a gaggle of bitches, And.
Speaker 4: I say, bitches is ginger neutral that just don't like
Speaker 4: them for reason.
Speaker 5: I just don't like her, for there's just something about
Speaker 5: her that's you're jealous of them, like, and you don't
Speaker 5: know how to confront that or maybe you don't understand
Speaker 5: how to name it. That's usually what it is if
Speaker 5: someone's never done anything to you, Like nothing that Shamia
Speaker 5: has done has been like super egregious outside of exposing
Speaker 5: portious mind. But before yeah, before that, the hate that
Speaker 5: Shamia was receiving from the audience, I'm like, it's nothing
Speaker 5: but some underlying jealousy that people just cannot name.
Speaker 3: Can I just say that the same thing goes for
Speaker 3: fat women and dark skinned women, because there are people.
Speaker 3: That's why the Shemiah thing, I think her owning it
Speaker 3: would be so important. Number One, if you are a
Speaker 3: woman who has a level of confidence or favor that
Speaker 3: they think optically or whatever archetype you represent doesn't deserve it.
Speaker 3: They don't hate what you have, they hate that you
Speaker 3: have it. Right, a lot of people will hate a
Speaker 3: confident woman when college talks about being confident and being whatever.
Speaker 3: If Claudia Jordan was a man, y'all would be obsessed
Speaker 3: with her, right, But because she's an attractive woman who
Speaker 3: was supposed to be the trophy to the man who
Speaker 3: acts like her, suddenly it's an issue. And so as
Speaker 3: a plus sized woman, when I pull the niggas, people
Speaker 3: get upset. Why you look like that child. Don't worry
Speaker 3: about him here, not worried about you. Right, people sometimes
Speaker 3: are mad that you have it if they would like
Speaker 3: it in somebody else. And the irony is everything we're saying, guys,
Speaker 3: we're literally telling Shamiah to have the exact same evolution
Speaker 3: arc as poor Williams.
Speaker 4: The irony is telling her to be the next Portia.
Speaker 4: That's the irony of all this.
Speaker 2: And I think she will. And I'll I'll say this
Speaker 2: about the audience. Jazz is right. I I I was
Speaker 2: talking to somebody recently, actually yesterday.
Speaker 1: This person is in the business, and I said, I
Speaker 1: have never in my career seen such a divide of
Speaker 1: the audience when it comes to a friendship. I've survived
Speaker 1: be Ninie Kims. I survived the Candy Faedras, right. I've
Speaker 1: survived the Melody Titias. I survived the.
Speaker 2: La Teresa Latitia's right.
Speaker 1: I've survived the Danielle style and Teresa and Teresa Jacqueline.
Speaker 2: I survived a lot of.
Speaker 1: Friendships, right, I've survived a lot of friendships going awry.
Speaker 1: I have never my career seen the audience so divided
Speaker 1: it when it comes to SMI and Porsche. And what
Speaker 1: I said to my friend, I said, is because their
Speaker 1: friendship points a finger at us, because we there's whether
Speaker 1: you're the Poorsche or the Shamia in this situation. The
Speaker 1: reason why it points a finger at us is because
Speaker 1: we either know what it feels like to be that
Speaker 1: girl and then to have somebody we know want to
Speaker 1: be a part of that world.
Speaker 2: We also know what it feels like to be to
Speaker 2: to what's what I'm looking forward to?
Speaker 1: Dim your light? We also know what it feels like
Speaker 1: to dim your light to make other people feel comfortable.
Speaker 1: It's a famous Mary and Wilson quote quote about that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like though.
Speaker 4: That's actually Nelson Mandela. No it's not Nelson. Yes, no,
Speaker 4: it's Mariam Wilson. But it was wrongfully accredited to Nelson Mandela.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: The thing is we all some of us know what
Speaker 1: it feels like to dim your life to make other
Speaker 1: people feel comfortable.
Speaker 2: I will say this, I know what it feels like
Speaker 2: to be a Porsche in my friend group.
Speaker 1: I also know what it felt like to be a
Speaker 1: Shoddia of my friend group and what I had to
Speaker 1: do as a person, which is why I can relate
Speaker 1: to the both of them in different seasons of my
Speaker 1: life as a forty something year old person, I literally,
Speaker 1: like you all said, I just owned who I was,
Speaker 1: and I said, fuck the rest. It's sort of like
Speaker 1: where we're seeing with Ryan Clark getting fired from ESPN for,
Speaker 1: in his words, he felt like he was being too black, right.
Speaker 1: We all know what it feels like when you and
Speaker 1: he said this, he said, I just wanted to be accepted.
Speaker 2: This brown, htero sexual.
Speaker 1: Black man who is married with kids, a former NFL
Speaker 1: player in his forties said I just wanted to be accepted.
Speaker 1: And I do think when you guys are so mean,
Speaker 1: you're vitual to both Portionshmia. It has a lot to
Speaker 1: do with the fact that it points a finger at you.
Speaker 1: And instead of you guys dimming both of their lives
Speaker 1: to up your fave, how about you both recognize that
Speaker 1: what these well both of these women need is for
Speaker 1: us to uplift both of them to be the best
Speaker 1: they can be individually. And if you do that, then maybe,
Speaker 1: just maybe, just maybe they will be able to find
Speaker 1: some sort of world in which they can coexist.
Speaker 7: And you know what, to piggyback up for you when
Speaker 7: you said all y'all said, and Bluey said something about
Speaker 7: about you know, they don't like to see it for
Speaker 7: like heavier women and durse women. Right, so when we
Speaker 7: have the audacity being a chocolate, dark skinned woman living
Speaker 7: that white woman life, and I really hate when people
Speaker 7: say it's a white woman life because it's obviously a
Speaker 7: black woman's life as all as well. Like they always
Speaker 7: want you to be more humble, and I'm not saying
Speaker 7: it for me, for her, right, she's a dark skin
Speaker 7: black woman. They want you to humble you, and they
Speaker 7: always say stupid shit like you're beautiful for a darskin woman,
Speaker 7: which I hate when people say shit like that. She's
Speaker 7: probably been getting that all her life, like downplayed, down plate.
Speaker 2: She was always told that growing up, always.
Speaker 7: That you can tell, always downplayed, And now she's in
Speaker 7: that position she's in and it's probably taken her a
Speaker 7: while to get over that. I want her to stunt
Speaker 7: like never before and own it and show the other
Speaker 7: little young darskin black girls that are out here being
Speaker 7: told and being diminished just like she was, Like that's
Speaker 7: our Disney princess right now. Maybe I'm being a little exaggerate,
Speaker 7: I'm exaggerating a little bit, but you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 7: relatively speaking, like that's someone like she's doing it. Look
Speaker 7: at her like living in a castle with the oh dream,
Speaker 7: American dream, African American dream, whatever.
Speaker 6: Like I like that.
Speaker 7: I think that's such a healthy, great image. Like take
Speaker 7: the messy stuff aside, the little Beast with the little
Speaker 7: the drus and the angelas and all that stuff is
Speaker 7: like the not inconsequential right now. But I'm talking about
Speaker 7: the optic of seeing a chocolate, dark skinned black woman
Speaker 7: banging body, being unapologetically in that space and daring a
Speaker 7: bit just say something. I love it because y'all don't
Speaker 7: be having a problem when the Lisa vander Pumps do it,
Speaker 7: the Evanka Trumps do it, the white women do it.
Speaker 7: We oh yes, bitch yes, But when a black girl
Speaker 7: does it, why don't you gotta control it or bring
Speaker 7: it down?
Speaker 6: You doing too much? Nah, live in that, you earned it,
Speaker 6: do it, live it, be it. Fuck what they say.
Speaker 6: I mean. I love that optic.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 6: I think it's so healthy for young black girls to
Speaker 6: see that it.
Speaker 7: Really is, and and other black women with the worst
Speaker 7: sometimes stop doing that to each other when you see
Speaker 7: someone like unless he's stealing men, which I think is unforgivable. Right,
Speaker 7: That's my one thing I have a major issue with. Yeah,
Speaker 7: the stuff that we're talking about is more personality things
Speaker 7: we may not like. Right, Yo, she's not evil, She's
Speaker 7: not evil, and it's a great it's a great thing
Speaker 7: to have people like that to look up to on television,
Speaker 7: to look at.
Speaker 4: You know what, when Jasmine said the thing, Jasmine, I'm
Speaker 4: happy that you said the word jealousy because my brain
Speaker 4: started to tingle.
Speaker 3: I think half of it jealousy. I think the other
Speaker 3: half is the opposite. I'm not seeing women who are
Speaker 3: jealous of her at all.
Speaker 4: On my feet.
Speaker 3: What I'm seeing is women who are triggered by her
Speaker 3: because she represents the weakness in them. I'm seeing the opposite.
Speaker 3: I'm seeing women who are people pleasers who hate that
Speaker 3: she's a people pleaser and the disdain they have for
Speaker 3: themselves they're projecting it onto her. So, yes, there are
Speaker 3: women who are jealous. I think the other side of
Speaker 3: the coin is there are women who are just like
Speaker 3: her who hate that she won't take her power because
Speaker 3: they haven't taken their own. So many why did that
Speaker 3: the end of the video about Shamia and Portia and
Speaker 3: the biggest lessons from their relationship, and it was about
Speaker 3: how people pleasing puts.
Speaker 4: You in a self like a cage that you've built
Speaker 4: for yourself.
Speaker 3: I got hundreds of people saying I think I didn't
Speaker 3: like Shamiah because she's a people pleased and I was
Speaker 3: one too, And the part of her I can't respect
Speaker 3: is the part of me that I still judge. And
Speaker 3: so for those of you who are not jealous but
Speaker 3: still get an ache around her, the part of her
Speaker 3: that wants to, like Ryan Clark, wants to be accepted.
Speaker 3: A lot of us haven't healed that in us. When
Speaker 3: we see somebody who wants it too bad, we judge them. Like,
Speaker 3: when you become on social media a content creator, what's
Speaker 3: the first thing they call you?
Speaker 4: Cringe because you're putting yourself out on?
Speaker 2: A blogger.
Speaker 3: Yes, if you become a blogger, a content creation, an influencer,
Speaker 3: they call you cringe because how dare you put yourself
Speaker 3: out there and let us know how badly you want
Speaker 3: to get put on? People call it cringe when you
Speaker 3: show how much you care. The one thing we've all
Speaker 3: agreed on that Shamia cares a lot. I think there's
Speaker 3: a whole section of women who, to Claudia's points, see
Speaker 3: themselves in her, but they don't like the reflection of
Speaker 3: how badly she wants to be accepted. And that breaks
Speaker 3: my heart, because whether it's jealousy or disdain, it is
Speaker 3: all about a reflection.
Speaker 7: She wasn't be accepted so much so that she let
Speaker 7: She was playing the lap dog position and the bone carrier,
Speaker 7: and she was playing a second fiddle to Portia. She
Speaker 7: was into other people in her life. She was down
Speaker 7: playing her stuff and all that. And that's what people
Speaker 7: do when they like I want you to like me.
Speaker 7: I don't want to be annoying. I don't want to
Speaker 7: be obnoxious with like what I have. It's a sad
Speaker 7: thing all around. And yes, all will fix my life.
Speaker 7: Maybe they get them to in a room together and
Speaker 7: they could talk.
Speaker 6: I don't know. Probably not, though it's like the.
Speaker 1: Few I loved this Claudia, Blue and Death. I really
Speaker 1: had a good time. Ladies night was a huge success.
Speaker 1: I have so much fun tonight. Okay, Carlos Angels, Yeah,
Speaker 1: giving up Rangels, Carlo Angels, and thank y'all to the
Speaker 1: nine thousand people that showed up tonight.
Speaker 2: I love you all, thanks for watching, and we'll see
Speaker 2: on the next one, my lady.
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