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Speaker 3: show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal did?

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Speaker 2: We do? Many things unfolding in the world, So we

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Speaker 2: have Linda Yakarino out at Twitter amid many things going

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Speaker 2: on with Elon, so.

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Speaker 4: We'll get into that.

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Speaker 2: Also, you get a clip from you on with Tucker

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Speaker 2: it's thoughts, all of that stuff. Grock is doing, groc things,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. We also have some significant move moves with

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Speaker 2: tariff on versil ill because he does not like their

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Speaker 2: trials of JayR. Bolsonaro other wild moves going on there

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Speaker 2: as well. Additional terrorists put on a bunch of different countries.

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Speaker 2: We have Hakeem Jefferies panicking over Zorn's victory and what

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Speaker 2: I've had it ladies who have had it with APEX

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Speaker 2: putting them on blasts. Pretty interesting watching these sort of

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Speaker 4: Get radicalized on Israel.

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Speaker 3: So good thing.

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Speaker 4: I'm enjoying that very much.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Israel, we have Netanyahu in town and sat

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Speaker 4: We don't yet have clips from that, but.

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Speaker 3: That is what are they doing? Steiny, all you other guys,

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Speaker 3: what are we doing? You guys want to play in

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Speaker 3: the news game. You release that ship immediately, but whatever, Oh,

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Speaker 3: that's it, that's the what's That's one of my gripes.

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Speaker 3: And you're gonna sit with a guy. You gotta gotta

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Speaker 3: go to release it. It's going to be dated at

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Speaker 3: this point. What are you guys doing? Yeah, playing around

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Speaker 3: with Zin or whatever, you know, making him what's a

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Speaker 1: They have happy something.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea casual sit down with an indicted

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Speaker 2: Then we also have an interesting story with regard to

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Speaker 4: Underlying trouble in the economy.

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Speaker 2: Prime day sales were down forty one percent on the

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Speaker 2: They've apparently extended the prime period this time exactly applesabbles,

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Speaker 3: But with that, let's get to Elon Musk and the

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Speaker 3: resignation of Linda Yakarino, the two year long CEO previously

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Speaker 3: Lyn A very terse response there from Elon Musk that

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Speaker 3: it was an icy exit. Of course, we would be

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Speaker 3: remiss if we didn't say. It literally came the very

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Speaker 3: things may be going, you know, Crystal business wise for

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Speaker 3: Twitter and look, I mean, why does any of this

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Speaker 3: That's really the future that Elon is betting any potential

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and let's think about the things that Linda

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Speaker 2: You know, the AI bought inside of Twitter sexually harassing

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration at this point with regard to hey,

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Speaker 2: let's just make it the wild Wild West and let's

439
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Speaker 2: race to AGI and we got to beat China and

440
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Speaker 2: no holds barred, very large disconnects. It's something like I

441
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Speaker 2: had the polling it's like seventy plus percent of Americans

442
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Speaker 2: and quite bipartisan, who are like, we need some more

443
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Speaker 2: regulation here, Like we're concerned about where this is going,

444
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Speaker 2: and who could blame them because they should. You know,

445
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Speaker 2: you've got you've got the labor, the work concerns, you've

446
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Speaker 2: got the we're just like shutting off parts of our

447
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Speaker 2: brain now concerns.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: In the same way we outsourced our navigational skills to GPS,

450
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Speaker 2: now we're outsourcing like our entire thinking and research, Yeah,

451
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Speaker 2: to this technology. What is that going to mean for humanity?

452
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Speaker 2: And then you have the more terrifying dystopian scenarios, which

453
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Speaker 2: is like they changed a couple prompts in you know,

454
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Speaker 2: for Groc's instructions, and suddenly Groc is like, we should

455
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Speaker 2: gas all the juice.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's what happened.

457
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Speaker 2: And they're connecting the shit to killer robots, you know,

458
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Speaker 2: via Palteer in these other defense tech companies. Yeah, I

459
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Speaker 2: think we need to think about what the hell we're

460
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Speaker 2: doing here, because it is terrifying.

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Speaker 4: I mean, on the one hand, of.

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Speaker 2: Course, it's like it's a funny and ridiculous development that

463
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Speaker 2: they tried to make an anti like a non woke

464
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Speaker 2: AI and it instantly turns into mecha Hitler. But it's

465
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Speaker 2: also deadly serious when you're talking about technology that the

466
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Speaker 2: people who are developing it they want it to be

467
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Speaker 2: so transformative that all of human labor will become unneeded.

468
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Speaker 2: That this is the technology that is so transformative that

469
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Speaker 2: people like Peter Teel who believe in transhumanism want us

470
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Speaker 2: to merge with this stuff and for the human race

471
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Speaker 2: to effectively be no longer or be evolved into some

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Speaker 2: new like hybrid human and tech conglomerate.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it's totally agree. I find it

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Speaker 4: very concerning.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: I was actually so.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I wish I hadn't been out for the

478
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Speaker 3: whole build back Better thing, but or not build back

479
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Speaker 3: better bill. If you've been around long enough, you remember

480
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Speaker 3: different bbbs here in Washington. But yeah, that was actually

481
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Speaker 3: a good controversy over that ten year ban on. AI mean,

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Speaker 3: I can't believe they tried to slip that in there. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: But it does show all of this, So just keep

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Speaker 3: it in mind we're using chat, GPT, any of these alms.

485
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Speaker 3: Do not outsource your thinking, because you can just see

486
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Speaker 3: how easy it is for them to manipulate you. There's

487
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Speaker 3: already all those stories about people like you know, interacting

488
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Speaker 3: with chat GPT or lonely and they think it's like

489
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Speaker 3: a spirit god and it convinces them to like lose

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Speaker 3: their mind. I mean, look, I know this stuff sounds crazy,

491
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Speaker 3: but at scale, a lot of humans are crazy. And

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Speaker 3: if you use it in nefarious directions, if even two

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Speaker 3: to three percent of people get swayed or into believing

494
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Speaker 3: this is like a religious biggers, that's a lot. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's what millions of the entire US population. So anyways,

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Speaker 3: keep that in mind. Now onto the America Party, which

497
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Speaker 3: is again one of the most cringe worthy efforts I've

498
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Speaker 3: literally ever seen. It is hashtag no Labels incarnate and

499
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Speaker 3: Tucker asked me about it whenever I was on his show,

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Speaker 3: so we thought we'd play a clip. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: We need an America Party and I'm running it. Where

502
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Speaker 7: does this is he serious? Where does this go?

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Speaker 3: Filed it with the FEC. I would give some caution

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Speaker 3: to elon Tucker. You and I've seen a lot of

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Speaker 3: rich people come and go in Washington as the consultancy.

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Speaker 3: You coming from a mile away, mister fiscally conservative socially liberal.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to put that out there, the Bipartisan

508
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Speaker 3: Policy Center and all these other people. They've rolled up

509
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Speaker 3: that entire market. They have plenty to sell you. I

510
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Speaker 3: mean the irony is if Elon's politics were more reversed

511
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Speaker 3: in this sense, I actually think it would be onto something.

512
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Speaker 3: So if you were to marry those three issues about

513
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Speaker 3: immigration restriction, about focus on quality of life, cost of living, healthcare,

514
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Speaker 3: and also just broadly about restructuring our economy for pretty

515
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Speaker 3: deductive purposes that distributes not through socialism but through a

516
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Speaker 3: well ordered and a well regulated capitalism that distributes the

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Speaker 3: benefit across all sectors of our society. Now that's an

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Speaker 3: America party I could get on board with totally. But

519
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Speaker 3: there's no funding for that, right, so's some of that up.

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Speaker 7: And said, I'd like an economy where you don't have

521
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Speaker 7: to hire an illegal alien to raise your kids. Your

522
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Speaker 7: wife can stay home and raise your kids if she

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Speaker 7: wants to, And most women do want to for the

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Speaker 7: period when they're little, I mean want to. Most women

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Speaker 7: want that, and every survey shows that. So if you

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Speaker 7: were to say that, in other words, if you were

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Speaker 7: to respond to the desire of the majority, probably be

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Speaker 7: shot to death.

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Speaker 3: So anyway that Krik Crystal, we were welcomed to weigh

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Speaker 3: in since you weren't there to participate. But that was

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Speaker 3: my take on the America Party.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the this is so important

533
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Speaker 2: to understand the polling on this. Lots of Americans. You

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Speaker 2: asked them, are you satisfied with the two party system?

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Speaker 2: They're like, absolutely? Do you want a party left by

536
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Speaker 2: the richest man on the planet that is based around

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Speaker 2: fiscal conservative I don't. People keep saying socially liberal. Is

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Speaker 2: evel On socially liberal? At this point, it doesn't seem

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Speaker 2: like that to me.

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Speaker 1: It depends on the definition.

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Speaker 4: But and here's the.

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Speaker 2: Thing, is like he just wants it to be another

543
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Speaker 2: cult of personality for him. So I don't even think

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Speaker 2: there's real ideological content here because even on the fiscal

545
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Speaker 2: conservative thing, he doesn't have any fiscal conservatism when it

546
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Speaker 2: comes to his own subsidies. He wants the government to

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Speaker 2: serve him and his interests and those of his oligarch

548
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Speaker 2: buddies and to revolve around him. I mean, that's really

549
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Speaker 2: what it is is a let's have a different cult

550
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Speaker 2: of personality than the one of Trump. Let's have one

551
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Speaker 2: that revolves around me and whatever my particular interests are

552
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Speaker 2: that serve my business, you know, my business.

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Speaker 4: I want to bring in all the South African Boer migrants.

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Speaker 4: I want h one vices, you know.

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Speaker 2: I want low taxes for me, and I want all

556
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Speaker 2: these subsidies, and I want to crush my competitors.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's what this party is.

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Speaker 2: So even to give him the credit of some sort

559
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Speaker 2: of like consist it's an ideological project here. I don't

560
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Speaker 2: even think that that is like that is like too kind.

561
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Speaker 2: That's a good one he's actually launched.

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Speaker 3: The only thing he seems really committed to is this

563
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Speaker 3: like debt doomerism, which is common. It's like a very common,

564
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Speaker 3: like billionaire thing. And I understand where it comes from,

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Speaker 3: which is that they have to run businesses and so

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Speaker 3: that you actually just can't conceive of like a of

567
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Speaker 3: a government that doesn't have a balance sheet. And that's,

568
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Speaker 3: in my opinion, one of the most destructive ways to

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Speaker 3: think about a government, because governments are not businesses, nor

570
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Speaker 3: should they be. We're a global empire, you know, the

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Speaker 3: idea that the global reserve currency and all of that

572
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Speaker 3: has to abide by the balance sheet rules of a

573
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Speaker 3: publicly traded corporation is preposterous, has been preposterous for two

574
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Speaker 3: hundred years now. At this point, literally nobody you know,

575
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Speaker 3: runs there any major country that way. But I even

576
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Speaker 3: put that aside, it's like this idea from Elon basically

577
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Speaker 3: comes down to, you know, absidies whenever I want them.

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Speaker 3: This whole idea of like this radical centrism which we

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Speaker 3: saw from people like Joe Manchin, you know, and others,

580
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Speaker 3: And I've just seen this no labels bipartisan policy center

581
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Speaker 3: type project just exist for probably my entire life and

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Speaker 3: especially all my time here in Washington. And if we

583
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Speaker 3: all think about it, like what are the things that

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Speaker 3: the party when the parties agree, it's usually like the

585
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Speaker 3: worst thing ever, right, it's like support for Israel or

586
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Speaker 3: I don't know, like a coup in Venezuela or more

587
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Speaker 3: funding for Ukraine. On economics, I'm trying to think they'd

588
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Speaker 3: be like, oh, yeah, let's I mean the snap program

589
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Speaker 3: or something.

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Speaker 1: I know there's some you know, beef that.

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Speaker 3: Or cut reforming social security. They're be like, well, we

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Speaker 3: don't want to kick people off, we just want to

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Speaker 3: raise retirement age. Or if we go back to twenty

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Speaker 3: fifteen and the original talks between Barack, the Obama administration

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Speaker 3: and the Republicans.

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Speaker 1: Like that's where real bipartisanship was.

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Speaker 3: Whereas again, if you look at an actual breakdown of

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Speaker 3: like so called you know what an America Party or

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Speaker 3: all of that would be at least for where it

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Speaker 3: is right now. I think we have some polling we're

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Speaker 3: going to talk about on Friday, or at least Emily's.

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Speaker 1: I saw sent this.

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Speaker 3: It's like people, I think it's fifty seven percent or

604
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Speaker 3: something of Americans describe themselves as quote economically liberal, something

605
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Speaker 3: like sixty percent describe themselves as like some sort of

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Speaker 3: immigration restriction are agreeing with that? And then I mean

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Speaker 3: the healthcare polling doesn't take a genius to go in

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Speaker 3: to look at that. That's kind of where the real

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Speaker 3: American middle is. But each one of those is kind

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Speaker 3: of radical in its own way. And so if you

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Speaker 3: were to call yourself like a quote radical centrist, that's

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Speaker 3: where things would be with Elon. You know, you not

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Speaker 3: only have the cult of personality aspect in terms of

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Speaker 3: the actual things that he believes. It's like a hoavier

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Speaker 3: Malay like libertarian. It's like this is not popular, right,

616
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Speaker 3: you know in America. Like, by the way, look, you know,

617
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Speaker 3: there was a lot of talk initially about Argentine. Argentina

618
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Speaker 3: right now is a disaster if people want to go

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Speaker 3: and check it out. By the way, their birth rate

620
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Speaker 3: is plummeting. Oh thanks to uh all right, there's a

621
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Speaker 3: variety of reasons of that, but you can go and

622
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Speaker 3: look just broadly at how people there societally are reacting

623
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Speaker 3: that this whatever disaster capitalism or whatever you want to

624
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Speaker 3: call it, does not seem to be working nearly as

625
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Speaker 3: well as even whatever disaster was coming before it. But

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Speaker 3: that's kind of Elon's solution to whatever the you know,

627
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Speaker 3: whatever is wrong. What he thinks with the publican party

628
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Speaker 3: is like he's so concerned about the debt limit or whatever.

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Speaker 3: But as you point out, I mean, this is a

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Speaker 3: person who has gotten billions of dollars in government stops.

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Speaker 1: Somebody did the math.

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Speaker 3: I forget exactly what percentage or how the company would

633
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Speaker 3: have even existed in the previously Yeah, without being able

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Speaker 3: to say it almost certainly would have died. Yeah, without

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Speaker 3: significant government assistance.

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Speaker 4: That's so specifically.

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Speaker 2: Obama really helped to rescue out a time that was

638
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Speaker 2: very perilous for that company.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's like, he's pissed off that he

641
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Speaker 2: didn't get his NASA guy so he could get his goodies.

642
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Speaker 4: From the government.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that was part of the breakup with Trump, right,

644
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Speaker 2: So in terms of you know, these hardcore fiscal conservative principles,

645
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Speaker 2: even that is a bit lacking when it comes to

646
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Speaker 2: his own companies. But you know, on economics, they polled

647
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Speaker 2: zoron Mamdani platform. Every single thing that he campaigned on,

648
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Speaker 2: like his core promis is wildly popular, not just in

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Speaker 2: New York City where it's even more popular, but with

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Speaker 2: the entire public. You know, I think the least popular

651
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Speaker 2: one was like the free buses, and that was still

652
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Speaker 2: polling at fifty nine percent or something like that.

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Speaker 4: So that those sorts of.

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Speaker 2: Policies when you're talking about economics are the actual center

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Speaker 2: of American people. I just saw polling on Medicare for All.

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Speaker 2: It's at like fifty nine percent support and something like

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Speaker 2: thirty percent it's still skeptical on something like thirty percent

658
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Speaker 2: of pose. So I mean that's you know, that's very

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Speaker 2: different from what Elon is. And again, what Elon is

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Speaker 2: proposing is just a culture personality of whatever it is

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Speaker 2: that he's into that particular day, Harry Anton did a

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Speaker 2: breakdown of some of the polling and why it can

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Speaker 2: be misleading, just to you know, take for granted, Oh,

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Speaker 2: there's so many Americans that are dissatisfied with the two

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Speaker 2: party system. But if you dig a level deeper, it

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Speaker 2: gets much more complicated.

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Speaker 4: Very quickly, let's listen to that.

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Speaker 6: What is the size of Elon musk space. Well, I

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Speaker 6: calculate it to be about four percent, just four percent,

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Speaker 6: one two three, four percent of all voters. What is

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Speaker 6: that base made up of, Well, it's those who view

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Speaker 6: Elon Must favorably and the GOP unfavorably. We're talking just

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Speaker 6: about four percent of all voters out there. Because it

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Speaker 6: turns out most of the people who like Elon mus

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Speaker 6: already liked the GOP already. That is, they already have

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Speaker 6: a party for him. And we will note Americans with

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Speaker 6: an unfavorable view i e. Essentially that Must starts off

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Speaker 6: with far more against him than Ross pro Ever did

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Speaker 6: Americans with an unfavorable view of Ross Paro was only

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Speaker 6: fourteen percent back in nineteen hundred and nine.

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Speaker 2: Two.

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Speaker 6: Now, the vast majority of Americans are already against elonmus

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Speaker 6: fifty eight percent. So what we're essentially saying here is

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Speaker 6: that Elon mus is going to go into electorate that

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Speaker 6: already dislikes him, is already against him, while there were

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Speaker 6: far more people who are open to the idea of

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Speaker 6: a ross paro third party or independent candidacy as compared

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Speaker 6: to an Elon Musk third party in which the vast

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Speaker 6: majority of Americans have already cided against the man. Since

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Speaker 6: nineteen hundred and seventy, just zero point two percent of

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Speaker 6: all winners of all winners were either third party, independent

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Speaker 6: or righted. We're only talking about twenty four out of

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Speaker 6: over thirteen thousand WI. The bottom line is third party independence,

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Speaker 6: they just don't succeed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean there's a there's a like Obviously,

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Speaker 2: we've talked about third parties and how possible it is

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Speaker 2: in I mean American The American political system is rigged

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Speaker 2: against third parties. That is the way that it is

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Speaker 2: set up, and so it is very difficult to succeed

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Speaker 2: outside of these you know, edge cases. You're a Bernie

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Speaker 2: Sanders in Vermont, you are you know.

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Speaker 3: You caucuses with the Democrat with the Democratic rising and

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Speaker 3: random right and random.

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Speaker 2: The Democratic primary. Yeah, And I mean, the the other

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Speaker 2: thing that's actually interesting right now is if you were

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Speaker 2: to go in the political landscape of where there's the

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Speaker 2: most opportunity, Republicans are very happy with the Republican Party. Yes,

708
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Speaker 2: that's right, Trump is. They love Trump, They're with him.

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Speaker 2: They're happy with Trump as the leader of the Republican Party.

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Speaker 4: They feel great.

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Speaker 2: And now, so Elon obviously has aligned himself with the

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Speaker 2: more conservative part of the political spectrum. Democrats, on the

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Speaker 2: other hand, are disgusted with Democratic Party leadership, which is

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Speaker 2: kind of a house of cards at this point. So

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Speaker 2: even in terms of where you would locate yourself on

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Speaker 2: the political spectrum, the whole thing is ft. And you know,

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Speaker 2: just to take it back to his business interests, I

718
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Speaker 2: think in a sense he's in real trouble because if

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Speaker 2: you think about SpaceX now you got Sean Duffy in there.

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Speaker 2: You'll remember that cabinet meeting where Elon was in there

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Speaker 2: and got into.

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Speaker 4: It a little bit with oh yeah, that's right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it was Sean Duffy.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: He publicly was like feuding with and they clearly so.

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Speaker 2: Putting Sean Duffy in at NASA is like a direct

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Speaker 2: kind of fu to Elon. So SpaceX is very dependent

728
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Speaker 2: on federal government contracts, so that's an issue for SpaceX.

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Speaker 2: Twitter has never been an economically sound investment. It was

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Speaker 2: more about power and projection and propaganda. I think it's

731
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Speaker 2: been effective with regards to that. But now you've got

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Speaker 2: Linda Yakarina out Yakarina out the analysis from car Switcher

733
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Speaker 2: that like, hey, you're not going to have the threat

734
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Speaker 2: of lawsuits through your alliance with Trump against advertisers something.

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Speaker 2: I think that's an accurate point. So Twitter is a

736
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Speaker 2: business prospect is just totally host and Tesla is screwed.

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Speaker 2: Like Elon was such an important part of the Tesla brand,

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Speaker 2: and now you have alternatives. In most of the world,

739
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: there are many other and most you know, Chinese electric

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Speaker 2: vehicles that are superior to Tesla that you.

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Speaker 4: Have access to.

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Speaker 2: Now Here we don't have those, but the major car

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Speaker 2: companies are turning out EV's and there are alternatives that

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Speaker 2: are you know, at least close to approximate to what

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Speaker 2: Tesla is. You're losing the EV subsidies you know from

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Speaker 2: the One Big Beautiful Bill, which I think those should

747
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Speaker 2: stay in place. But those are gone now, and your

748
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: brand is now completely toxic with like the affluent liberals

749
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Speaker 2: who were buying your car, and then the potential new

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Speaker 2: market of like you know, right wing conservatives who love

751
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Speaker 2: Trump and loved you. You've now tanked yourself with them

752
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: with your war with Trump, Like where is this going

753
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Speaker 2: to go? And your product line is stale and you

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Speaker 2: haven't been focused on actually delivering for consumers and creating

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Speaker 2: a product that's like irresistible people. The cyber truck is

756
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Speaker 2: one of the biggest vehicular buffs in history.

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Speaker 3: Mostly because of Elon. By the way, that's I genuinely

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Speaker 3: think it's fault because it had a lot of hype

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Speaker 3: whenever it initially.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently a bunch of like rental car agencies are

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Speaker 2: buying them because they're all really hey, so it's got

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Speaker 2: decent range.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, it wouldn't be a bad thing to rent you

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Speaker 3: on vacation.

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Speaker 2: My daughter is Sally. She must have heard this on

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Speaker 2: like YouTube short and something. She was like, don't be

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Speaker 2: mad at everyone who's who's driving a cyber truck, mommy,

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Speaker 2: because they may have just rented it, like been stuck

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Speaker 2: with it from the rental car company.

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Speaker 3: Very smart, and hey, it's got some luggage storage. I

771
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Speaker 3: might be checking that out the next time after we are,

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Speaker 3: especially if they'll give me a discount. But I'll just

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Speaker 3: put it. I'll put it like this, which is with

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Speaker 3: elon the America Party, et cetera. And I know, you know,

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Speaker 3: I've broadly found people can get upset when we talk

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Speaker 3: about the third parties in a denigrating way. But look

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Speaker 3: at Zorn, the guy won the Democratic primary, Look at Trump.

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Speaker 1: You know the.

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Speaker 3: Model is there is you have to come in and

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Speaker 3: kind of blow up an existing political party for your

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Speaker 3: own purposes. The Democrats are in there too, ty fourteen moment.

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Speaker 3: They are ready to be destroyed, all right. Hakeen Jeffreys

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Speaker 3: is John Bayner Schumer is, Yeah, Schumer is like the

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Speaker 3: perfect example of a leader who can easily be kno

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Speaker 3: ritint or something. There's not like a direct comparison, but

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Speaker 3: you know, these guys are running scared and they're a joke,

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Speaker 3: and the Democratic base is upset. You could never been

788
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: more rife for a Trump moment than right now in

789
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 3: the party. And if you look at the history of

790
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Speaker 3: new political parties, it really takes like a singular issue

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Speaker 3: to blow everything up, and a lot of people really

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Speaker 3: forget that. I mean, you need like a slavery type

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Speaker 3: issue to actually destroy a party. We don't have that

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Speaker 3: right now. Then there's not like one single defining axis

795
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Speaker 3: of American crisis at this moment. There are intra party

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Speaker 3: wise as in, like in the Democratic Party, it's about

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Speaker 3: exuding some fight and wanting to win. On the Republican side,

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Speaker 3: it was a big one. I'm not sure if it's

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Speaker 3: there quite yet, but immigration was how the right turn

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Speaker 3: on the axis of immigration. That's where everything really turned around.

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Speaker 3: And there was a lot of other stuff that came

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Speaker 3: with it. But you know, on the Democratic side, Israel

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Speaker 3: is a big one. There's a lot of like vibe

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Speaker 3: elements to it as well. But I h that's fine,

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Speaker 3: there's something wrong with that. My point is just that

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Speaker 3: we don't have something that crosses those two in which

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Speaker 3: they're both theyreconcilable on those two issues, like breaking apart,

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Speaker 3: which would allow people to converge on a single party

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Speaker 3: like the original Republican Party under Lincoln, which remember was

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Speaker 3: a new party at their own time. That's really what

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Speaker 3: broke up Wiggery. And you know, you just have to

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Speaker 3: look at that history and say we don't have that

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Speaker 3: right now. Pero came close, and he did try, and

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Speaker 3: he's the goat for that reason. Is he kind of

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Speaker 3: centered it around global trade and the reordering of our

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Speaker 3: economic system with NAFTA.

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately people were.

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Speaker 3: Basking too much in the glow of the nineteen nineties

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Speaker 3: and they weren't willing to listen. If he ran today,

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Speaker 3: I actually think you'd be a wildly popular Republican. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: Nick conten analysis that was basically like, you know, if

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Speaker 2: the two if the Republicans and the Democrats really fully realigned,

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Speaker 2: where the Republicans are truly like the national populace, which

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Speaker 2: they're not, and the Democrats are truly like a sort

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Speaker 2: of democratic socialist, which they're definitely not, then you might

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Speaker 2: have space for this like return to liberalism.

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Speaker 4: Kind of a party.

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Speaker 2: But he yeah, I mean I share your skepticism, and certainly,

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Speaker 2: given where we are right now, where the neoliberals still

831
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Speaker 2: have plenty of purchase within both political parties, it's, you know,

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Speaker 2: the time is not we don't need a neoliberal resurgent

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Speaker 2: party because they still have plenty of power within both

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Speaker 2: of the two major parties.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to Trump.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it, shall We had lots of news here

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Speaker 3: with Donald Trump, some major moves in particular on tariffs

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Speaker 3: and on Ukraine a few other things. So Trump has

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Speaker 3: given us some great insight into his thinking on his

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Speaker 3: terror formula.

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Speaker 1: You recall previously.

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Speaker 3: There was basically chat GPT type formula, which, by the way,

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Speaker 3: not even a good chat GPT formula. It was the

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Speaker 3: easiest chat GPT formula that you were able to do.

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Speaker 3: I got a much more sophisticated one and I only

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Speaker 3: took only five minutes. But here is Trump revealing for

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Speaker 3: the first time how the formula is being used. Let's

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Speaker 3: sick a list.

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Speaker 8: The formula was a formula based on common sense, based

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Speaker 8: on deficits, based on how we've been treated over the years,

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Speaker 8: and based on raw numbers. But they're based on very

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Speaker 8: very substantial facts and also past history.

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Speaker 3: The formula is based on the formula.

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Speaker 1: It just has common sense going.

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Speaker 4: That is, I'm gonna tell you what those fact based.

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Speaker 3: On very substantial facts. Now, in particular, what the formula

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Speaker 3: it really is is whatever Trump kind of wants it

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Speaker 3: to be. So let's go and put this one up

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Speaker 3: there on the screen is probably the most significant one

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Speaker 3: that dropped us yesterday. Trump has now hit Brazil with

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Speaker 3: a fifty percent tariff, it says in part due to

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Speaker 3: the trial of higher Bolscenaro.

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Speaker 1: So for those who don't.

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Speaker 3: Know, you know, Trump has been tweeting more recently about Bolsonnaro,

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Speaker 3: who obviously is on trial inside of Brazil. He also

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Speaker 3: kind of cited digital censorship and free elections here. So

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Speaker 3: for example, he says, Trump and the letter do in

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Speaker 3: parts two Brazils and citious attacks on free elections and

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Speaker 3: the fundamental free speech rights of Americans as illustrated by

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Speaker 3: the Brazilian Supreme Court and its secret and unlawful censorship

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Speaker 3: orders with US platforms. We will charge Brazil a tariff

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Speaker 3: of fifty percent. Please understand, the fifty percent number is

873
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Speaker 3: far less than what is needed to have a level

874
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: playing field and we must have with your country. It

875
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 3: is necessary to have this directify the grave injustices of.

876
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: The current regime.

877
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: And he additionally cites the prosecution there of Bolsonaro. Now,

878
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: this is obviously a beef kind of longcoming, but the

879
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: question is about whether it's actually going to be effective

880
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: and what this will mean inside of Brazil. Keep in

881
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 3: mind Bolscenaro. I mean, yes, he lost, but it wasn't

882
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 3: like a terrible loss. And I remember we had glenn

883
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: On at the time where even though Lula did win,

884
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: the Bolsonaro I forget exact name for it, but the

885
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: Bolsonnaro party itself actually did quite well throughout Brazil. So

886
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 3: it's not like they actually don't have their own vibrant

887
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 3: political system. The real question is about how this will

888
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: be met by Brazilians, and I think that is obvious

889
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 3: from a lot of the tariff blowback that.

890
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: We saw in the early days of the administration.

891
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 3: Canada, for example, becoming overwhelmingly like nationally popular, Trump basically

892
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: nuking the Conservative Party inside of Canada, Mexico, Claudia Scheinbaum

893
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 3: very popular when standing up to the United States. Japan,

894
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: by the way, I just saw a statement from a

895
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 3: senior Japanese official inside of the government for the LDP

896
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: party who was like Trump is a bad person or

897
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 3: something like that is crazy, Like they don't talk that

898
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 3: way internal Japanese politics. Is a very high ranking person

899
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 3: allied with the government. This is after we just hit

900
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 3: them with their twenty five percent tire of Korea is

901
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 3: also having similar kind of nationalists upright, they're upset obviously

902
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: about the way that they're being treated. So I think

903
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 3: that the potential the irony is that well, yeah, I

904
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: mean I remember that social media case. It was outrageous.

905
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 3: I don't know all the specifics around the bulls. I'm

906
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: not an expert on the Brazilian legal system and whatever

907
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 3: they want to do, like go forwar, it's not particularly

908
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: my business. But I think that the question about if

909
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 3: we actually wanted to achieve these goals and what they

910
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: would look like are open right now. At a time

911
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: where it wasn't that long ago, we were very concerned

912
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 3: that Brazil and Lula, because he is not you know,

913
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 3: is much more of an internationalist figure, willing to speak

914
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: out against you know, the consensus on Gaza, and also

915
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 3: willing to do a lot of trade with China. This

916
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 3: would seem like the perfect example of something it might

917
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: actually put them in a different direction because China doesn't care.

918
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: At all about what they do with all on Ukraine

919
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: as well. Of course, Yeah, that's right, I remember that

920
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: this is insane. It's insane, it's actually outrageous. Okay, First

921
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: of all, this is a president who tells you he's

922
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: America first, and the impact of putting fifty percent tariffs

923
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 2: on Brazil is going to be higher prices on you.

924
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: So effectively, he's putting a tax on you in order

925
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: to help out his buddy in Brazil. Okay, number two,

926
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 2: you don't have to know all the ins and the

927
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: outs to know, as Zagricha said, like they can do

928
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 2: in their country what they want to do.

929
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 4: Recall this as also the man.

930
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 2: Who went and gave a speech about how we weren't

931
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: going to lecture other countries, we weren't going to enforce

932
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: our own views on other countries, and might relate that

933
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: I mean, and immediately he turns around and, you know,

934
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 2: does the complete opposite of that fifty percent terrorists because

935
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: he's mad that I mean, Bolsonaro tried to do a

936
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: coup and overthrow the election, and that is one of

937
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: the things that he is being prosecuted for right now,

938
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: and that is the reason that he has been banned

939
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: from running in the next presidential election.

940
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 4: Now, again, I am not an.

941
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: Expert on exactly what went down and the status of

942
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: these court cases whatever, but it seems like within the

943
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: realm of reasonable that if you have someone who engineers

944
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: a coup and tries to overthrow election, an election that

945
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 2: maybe they should be barred from running for that office

946
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 2: again in the future. From the political perspective, it's also

947
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: completely insane in terms of like the goals you want

948
00:42:59,040 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: to effectuate.

949
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 4: So first of all, you're very likely.

950
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: To have a rallying around Lula, who actually has been

951
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: sliding in the polls and was in a bit of

952
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: political trouble.

953
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 4: So this could easily very possible.

954
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: I was talking to want to Bead Rojas about this

955
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: very possible that this rescues Lula and bolsters his polls

956
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: as he heads into his next election. It's not clear

957
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: if he's running out whatever, put that aside, but could

958
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 2: very much bolster Lula politically. In addition, you have Trump

959
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: picking this fight with the bricks nation of which Brazil

960
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 2: is the bee in bricks there, over their movement towards potential,

961
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: you know, an alternative currency system, potential dedollarization. What do

962
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: you think the impact of this is going to be.

963
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: It is going to be to further push these countries

964
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 2: into the arms of China.

965
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 4: So you can't rely on these people. These people are insane.

966
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: You're just now levy of fifty percent tariff on us

967
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: because you don't like what our court system is doing,

968
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 2: Like get out of town?

969
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 4: What do you mean?

970
00:43:53,120 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: So it's so counterproductive, idiotic, illogical, outrageous on every single

971
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 2: level that you can hardly wrap your head around the

972
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: type of mind that would come up with this.

973
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, in particular for me, it's just look,

974
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I remember there were a

975
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 3: lot of concern about censorship and all that via Brazil.

976
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with any of the other thing. That's fine,

977
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: you know, if we want, and I believe I believe

978
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: we at least got some resolution or something on that.

979
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: But for me, the Bolscenaro thing, again, I don't know

980
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 3: about the case. I know that there was some brujha

981
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: or whatever and they're banning him from all of that,

982
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 3: but I don't really care what they do. You know,

983
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: in their own country, you do what you want to do.

984
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: If you guys are upset about it, then you can

985
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: overthrow your own government. You don't go for it. But

986
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: as Rojas actually points out, you know, with the Brazil's

987
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: export partners, the fifty percent tariff, it'll hurt, but it

988
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 3: won't be devastating, in particular because Brazil already was at

989
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 3: least pursuing somewhat the so called brick strategy. And in fact,

990
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: actually just yesterday, you know, the Chinese government announced trade

991
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: agreements with ten different countries in the Asia Pacific, many

992
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: of whom were actually hit by a tariff by the

993
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: United States almost in the same week. Now, those are

994
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 3: the things that actually concerned me the most. I'll also

995
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 3: show you another example. Let's put B four up on

996
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: the screen.

997
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: Please.

998
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 3: On copper. Trump says, quote, I am announcing a fifty

999
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: percent tariff on copper effective August first, twenty twenty five,

1000
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: citing the national security reasons for semiconductors and all of

1001
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: these other industries that are reliant on copper.

1002
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: Now, okay, listen, I think I said this yesterday.

1003
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 3: That's fine as long as we have a vibrant copper

1004
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: industry here in the US and we're able to I

1005
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 3: don't know, spin up production and we've given a bunch

1006
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 3: of tax credits to the copper industry. We didn't do

1007
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: any of that with the latest bill. That's the problem.

1008
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: And so you know, copper Ryan said yesterday that this

1009
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: is a boon to all of the people who rip

1010
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 3: copper out of abandoned houses was aka drug addicts, by

1011
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: the way, So congratulations all the fentanyl addicts out there

1012
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: who are stealing copper off of job sites and other things.

1013
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: But if you pair that with where we are right now,

1014
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: it's probably just going to lead to a higher price,

1015
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: you know, by the way, for home construction and all

1016
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 3: of that good luck you know, for renovators and other things,

1017
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 3: is going to massively increase their overall supply.

1018
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: What's also, can we put.

1019
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: The next one up here because this fits with what

1020
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: I was talking about, the haphazard nature in which this

1021
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 3: is all going into effect. You can see here all

1022
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: of the different tariffs that were just announced by the

1023
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: President in the last two days. The Philippines, Brunei, Moldova, Japan,

1024
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 3: South Korea, Malaysia. I mean, a number of those countries

1025
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: I just listed just signed a trade agreement there with China.

1026
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: You've got Tunisia, Kazakhstan, Algeria, Iraq, Libya, who even rules

1027
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: Libya by the way, you know what we what business

1028
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: do we do? Bosnia, South Africa, Indonesia, Bungladesh, Serbia, Tehraan, Cambodia.

1029
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 4: Iraq reparations not start terrafs.

1030
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Thailand, Cambodia, Me and mar Laos.

1031
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: I mean the thing is, again, let's just return if

1032
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: we thought to the original strategy. Because I've been here

1033
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 3: around for the pivot to Asia for my entire time

1034
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 3: here in Washington. The idea was is to take many

1035
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 3: of the countries I just listed Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Philippines,

1036
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: South Korea, Japan, Malaysia and turn them into places where

1037
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 3: the United States can continue to do business in the

1038
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 3: Asia Pacific and move production out of China. This is

1039
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 3: specifically why Vietnam is such an important trading partner, and

1040
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: at the very least we did sign some sort of

1041
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: trade agreement with them.

1042
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot of problems which passed.

1043
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 3: Through shipping et cetera and circumventing tariffs, which I totally understand,

1044
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 3: but that was the basic proposal. That's why it's just

1045
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 3: ridiculous to be's hitting a twenty percent tariff on the

1046
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: Philippines or on Malaysia, South Korea, Japan, highly developed nations

1047
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: which are traditionally very good friends here, you know, with

1048
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: the United States, important production houses in their own right,

1049
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 3: and it's just contrary to any sort of like moving

1050
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 3: away and outsourcing from China. It's just haphazard, and it's

1051
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 3: one that basically just fits with the whims of Trump himself.

1052
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: And the more that it's like that, the more likely,

1053
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: of course America is likely to turn against tariffs because

1054
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: they can see that it has no real purpose, and

1055
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 3: the more the likelihood is to actually just vindicate all

1056
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: these neoliberals because the prices are just going to go up.

1057
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about Amazon here in a little bit,

1058
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: but we're are you seeing some precarious signs? It's funny too,

1059
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 3: I've seen people will be like, see, you should have

1060
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: trusted Trump's plan on tariff's all along.

1061
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, he backed down on the tariffs. That's

1062
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: the only reason why the economy is fine. If they

1063
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: go back into effect, then all the original doom scenarios

1064
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: will come true. Like what are we doing here?

1065
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 4: Now?

1066
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: You know it's insane and I just just to go

1067
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: back to pursue for one more moment, like who are

1068
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 2: we to be lecturing anyone about censorship at this point?

1069
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 3: As well? Discretion?

1070
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 2: Like who are we we're kid dapping students off the street?

1071
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: For a freaking on ed you and you think you

1072
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: have any moral high ground to stand on when it

1073
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: comes to censorship, like get out of here. So and

1074
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: also again, by the way, if they want to have

1075
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: different laws regarding that, then we do. That is their

1076
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: right and they get to work it out in their

1077
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: own democratic system, which seems to be actually functioning more

1078
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: effectively than our stusts at this point.

1079
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 6: I love that.

1080
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 2: It's total and complete insanity. The whole thing it is

1081
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: is so devastating to any sort of you know, any

1082
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 2: ideology which you and I both share of desiring, like

1083
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: industrial policy and thoughtful protectionism, like you know, like the

1084
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: copper thing on its own, if you had some strategic Okay,

1085
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: here's what we're gonna do, and here's the policy by

1086
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: and here's the you know, the subsidies that are going

1087
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Speaker 2: to help build this American industry with Okay, I'm open

1088
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: to that. But this is just this is just insanity

1089
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: and chaos. And while to Trump's face, a bunch of

1090
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Speaker 2: these countries will kowtow and almost a president and can

1091
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Speaker 2: we get a Nobel piece price for you or whatever,

1092
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: behind the scenes they are all talking and collaborating and

1093
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: figuring out how they can move on from being like

1094
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: in this abusive relationship, which is exactly what this is

1095
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Speaker 2: at this point.

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Speaker 3: It's a big problem and it also just shows you know,

1097
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 3: Trump can flip around on a dime all the time.

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00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: I mean, more recently, let's move We're going to move

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Speaker 3: on to the Ukraine part. Ryan and I talked about

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00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 3: this yesterday, but you can actually watch in real time

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00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 3: how the Ukraine policy of Donald Trump has gone from

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Speaker 3: I want to stop the dying. We need to stop

1103
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 3: sending all this money to Ukraine because it's depleting US

1104
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Speaker 3: stockpiles to I'm just going to have it solved all

1105
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 3: in one day before I even take office, to talks

1106
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 3: with Putin and the Russian government to basically just recreating

1107
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: the Biden policy, where Trump is thinking about signing the

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Speaker 3: Lindsey Graham Sanctions.

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Speaker 1: Bill more sanctions out to do it.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely not the most sanctioned country by the United

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00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 3: States ever, right, and more weapons to Ukraine. Oh, I'm

1112
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 3: sure that'll be a solution for the Ukrainians that definitely

1113
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 3: is going to be able to beat back the Russians.

1114
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 3: As the Ukrainians continue to lose territory.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right.

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00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 3: Actually, remember that nice minerals deal that we signed.

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00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: Well, the Russian just took a.

1118
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 3: Massive lithium field yesterday, so oh okay, oops, forget It

1119
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 3: might have been better to sign some peace deal or

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Speaker 3: something earlier, even if you're just looking out for American interests.

1121
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: But that's where Trump is now. And perhaps the reason

1122
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 3: is that Putin sees Trump as a massive bluffer. He

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00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: believes he doesn't really have to play ball with the

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00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: US real if he needs to, because he knows that

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Speaker 3: even to the extent of maximum realistic Ukrainian support, he

1126
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 3: can just continue this war on forever. The last two

1127
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 3: days in Ukraine have actually been some of the biggest

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00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 3: bombardments ever, over a thousand drones that have come down

1129
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 3: in the city. He clearly doesn't care. And also he

1130
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 3: believes here with Trump that he's not necessarily a useful negotiator.

1131
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 3: So we had some actually interesting audio that just leaked

1132
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 3: from Trump where he told people behind the scenes, I

1133
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 3: believe this dreaming the campaign trail that he was quote

1134
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 3: gonna bomb the shit out of Moscow if they continued

1135
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 3: the war in Ukraine.

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00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen and Putin.

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00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 9: I said, if you go in to Ukraine bomb the

1138
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 9: shit out of Moscow, I'm telling you, I had you

1139
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 9: choose the publics the public public. So he does like,

1140
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 9: I don't believe you, he said, he said no, way,

1141
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 9: and I said way, and then he got it's like,

1142
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 9: I don't believe you, but the truth does he believe

1143
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 9: me ten percent.

1144
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: So that's what told people behind the scenes. But you know,

1145
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 3: and this is the irony of this whole, like stooge

1146
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: and all of this, the reality of the situation is

1147
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 3: that Putin has a view which has really just not changed.

1148
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 3: He's like, I want all of Ukraine to the extent

1149
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: that I'm willing to talk. It's that we freeze where

1150
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 3: things where they are right now. And the West is like, oh, well,

1151
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 3: we need a defense treaty and we need to say

1152
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 3: and he's like, no, we're not doing any of that.

1153
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 3: My entire economy is around the war. You can either

1154
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 3: take it or I'm just going to continue the war period.

1155
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: End of story. And we just seem to like cycle

1156
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: back to the same ridiculous position that we have started in.

1157
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 3: It's just so ridiculous, in particular after we just blew

1158
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 3: all this money on Israel and all of these weapons

1159
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 3: stock piles. I don't know if you saw yesterday we

1160
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 3: talked about with Ryan twenty five percent right now of

1161
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: the patriot batteries, miss ammunitions that we need for US

1162
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 3: plans are currently in stock. Trump is currently talking about

1163
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 3: sending them over to Ukraine. That would deplete us even more,

1164
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: Like what are we doing, especially after we blew a

1165
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 3: ton of them on the more recent israelative. So it

1166
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 3: just countered to like any sort of coherent project around

1167
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 3: this thing. And here's Trump being asked yesterday, because of

1168
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: the chaos around the pause, which has now been restarted,

1169
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 3: don't worry everybody, the weapons are on their way to Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 8: Well, I haven't thought about it, because we're looking at

1172
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 8: Ukraine right now and munitions. But no, I have not

1173
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 8: gotten into it. If a decision was made, I will know,

1174
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 8: I'll be the first to know. In fact, most likely

1175
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 8: i'd give the order. But I haven't done that yet.

1176
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 3: So what he's talking about there is that originally there

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00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: was a pause put into place to pause the weapons.

1178
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 3: Then Trump apparently according to him, didn't know about it

1179
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 3: and came out and was like Oh no, actually, we're

1180
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 3: going to restart it. But this just goes to show

1181
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 3: that part of the reason I would even defend any

1182
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 3: idea of a pause, because Crystal, doesn't that seem consistent

1183
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 3: with the policy set by the administration. Why would the

1184
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 3: president need to approve this thing that he said he

1185
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 3: was going to do. This was a basic framework of

1186
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 3: the Trump campaign and promises from the very first day,

1187
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 3: so of course that would be the policy. And because

1188
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 3: Trump is who he is, He's just switching things around

1189
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 3: all the time. And then this morning I see Rubio

1190
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 3: and Lavrover meeting in Malaysia.

1191
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 1: So I'm like, who the hell knows?

1192
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, did you see?

1193
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: I mean this kind of fits with this idea of

1194
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: like different factions of the administration are just sort of

1195
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: freelancing and not coordinating and not running things up the chain.

1196
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: There was there were two tracks to get a deal

1197
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: with Venezuela.

1198
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about it yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Oh did you talk about that? I missed it.

1200
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 2: To try to secure the release of some American prisoners

1201
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 2: are being held by the Venezuelans, and you had Marco

1202
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: Rubio offering one deal and then Gurnell offering a different

1203
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: deal that was.

1204
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 4: A better deal right to the same guy. And so

1205
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 4: what is going on here? Right?

1206
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: And so even though I think you're right that because

1207
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: Trump was so clear about like we're going to do this,

1208
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: and you know, I mean maybe it's now it's obviously

1209
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: much less clear, but I think there was a justified

1210
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 2: legitimacy to you know, the State Department and Bart being like, Okay, yeah,

1211
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 2: this is the policy, and so we're going to pause

1212
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: these weapons. At the same time, you do, like people

1213
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 2: do need to know what's going on. There needs to

1214
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: be some sort of coordination and under Pete Hegsath the

1215
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: Pentagon is it is a shit show. Like it is

1216
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 2: a backbiting, messy, chaotic shit show. And I just don't

1217
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: think that there is any denying that at this point.

1218
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 2: And this is one instance where it sort of comes

1219
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 2: to the surface, you know, on the substance here with

1220
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 2: regard to Ukraine, and I think you and Ryan said

1221
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: something similar yesterday, like having an ideology and a goal

1222
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 2: is going to be no ideology and no goal every day.

1223
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: And you see the same thing with regard to the

1224
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: policy vis of Iran, like Trump is kind of all

1225
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: over there and doesn't really know what he wants, and

1226
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: one day he wants this, one day he wants that.

1227
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 4: Bib nt yahho friaking knows what he wants.

1228
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: And so because he's going to be relentless in pushing

1229
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 2: for his objective, consistent with his ideology and his goal,

1230
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 2: eventually he's going to get it.

1231
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,919
Speaker 4: And so you know, it's the same thing you see

1232
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 4: with Ukraine.

1233
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 2: Like the Lindsay Grahams of the world, the Vladimir Zelensky's

1234
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 2: of the world, they know what they want and they

1235
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: are going to continue to push it relentlessly until they

1236
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: get it. And I think Trump came in with just

1237
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: like a foolishly naive view of what it would take

1238
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 2: to resolve a conflict that is now very difficult to resolve.

1239
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 2: Even if you came in and you were focused on it,

1240
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: and you were intelligent about it, and you had a

1241
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: specifical in mind, if here's how we're going to resolve it,

1242
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: even under those circumstances, it would be very, very difficult.

1243
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 2: But he came in thinking he's just like, oh, I'm

1244
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 2: the great deal maker and we'll figure it out. And

1245
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 2: I have a great relationship with Putin and so I

1246
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 2: trust him. We're going to be able to work it out.

1247
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 3: No you're not.

1248
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 4: No, you're not.

1249
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 2: And so congratulations in America. Basically you've got another forever

1250
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: war here. The most likely track is we're just going

1251
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: to continue shipping weapons bit by bit, and you know,

1252
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 2: we'll continue to be this sort of like grinding intractable

1253
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: conflict over years and years and years, and presidents are

1254
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: going to the next president is going to inherit it

1255
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 2: and they're just going to, like we did in Afghanistan,

1256
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 2: just sort of stop talking about it and have it

1257
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 2: be on the back burner and just persist in this

1258
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: policy that's you know, ongoing and horrific and as this

1259
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 2: terrible human toll, because that is the path of lease resistance.

1260
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: That's the path of lease resistance. That's why we stayed

1261
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 2: in Afghanistans for so long, because the moment that you

1262
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 2: actually pull the plug on that conflict, Look what happened

1263
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 2: to Joe Biden. His approval rating was destroyed and he

1264
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: never ever recovered. Because when you end in conflict, you

1265
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: have to reckon with the failures of that policy and

1266
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 2: what it meant to get us to that point.

1267
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 3: I totally agree