1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we'll be 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: ignoring any and all responsibilities to focus on what actually 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: matters this weekend basketball, basketball, and more basketball. 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: Bring on the Sweet sixteen and Elite eight. 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: It's Friday, March twenty eighth, and on today's show, we'll 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: be talking with c c Telfer, a Jamaican American track 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: athlete and the first out transgender athlete to win an 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: NCAA title. We discuss the biggest misconceptions that folks tend 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: to have about trans athletes, why self care means so 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: much more to her, inviting politicians, even those who oppose 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: trans women in sports, to have a conversation with her 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: and her fraught relationship with International Transgender Day of Visibility 13 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: coming up on Monday. 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 2: Plus, the Sweet sixteen is upon us. 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: We're dropping a whole lot of WNBA news and a 16 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: what the fact on the power of inclusion. It's all 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: coming up right after this. Welcome back sl This says 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: Happy Friay. Here's what you need to know today. Kicking 19 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: things off with March Madness, The Sweet sixteen gets rolling 20 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: on ESPN today at two thirty pm Eastern with you 21 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: know nothing special, just the first iteration of the Duke 22 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: North Carolina Tobacco road rivalry ever in the history of 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: the women's NCAA tournament. Carol Awsom will look to usher 24 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: the number two Duke Blue Devils into the Elite Eight 25 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: for the first time in her five season tenure at 26 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: the school, while the number three UNC tar Heels and 27 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: Courtney Banghart are seeking the first Elite eight berth in 28 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: her six seasons in Chapel Hill. Next on the schedule 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: number one South Carolina and number four Maryland. At five 30 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 1: pm Eastern, Don Staley's Game Cocks are buying to inch 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: closer to a second consecutive NCAA title, while Brenda Freese's 32 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 1: Terps hope to reach the regional final for the second 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: time in three seasons. Keep an eye on junior forward 34 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: Chloe Kitts, who's put up double figures in each of 35 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: SC's last seven games, and keep in mind that Marylyn 36 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,279 Speaker 1: is coming off that tough double overtime win over Bama, 37 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: so fatigue could be an. 38 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: Issue for them. 39 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: At seven thirty pm Eastern, to NC State Wolfpack squares 40 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: off with number three LSU. Last season, the Pack turned 41 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: some heads with a run to the final four, and 42 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: they're hoping to conjure up some more of that magic. Meantime, 43 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: Kimmulke's Tigers are back at full strength with Starguardflage Johnson 44 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: back in the rotation after missing the entire SEC tournament 45 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: resting some shin inflammation. LSU is seeking a second title 46 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: in three years, and through two rounds they have been hot. 47 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: They're the first team since Long Beach State in nineteen 48 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: eighty eight to score one hundred points or more in 49 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: consecutive tournament games. Last, but not least, the number one 50 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: UCLA Bruins play number five ole Miss at ten pm Eastern. 51 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: Corey Close in Ucla survived a first half scare from 52 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: number eight Richmond in the last round of action, but 53 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: they're battle tested. Led by six foot seven junior center 54 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: Lauren Betts. Ole Miss is playing excellent ball under Yolette 55 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: McPhee McEwan, trying to crack the Elite eight for the 56 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: first time in her seven seasons as head coach. There 57 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: are four more games on Saturday two, starting at one 58 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: pm Eastern, with number two TCU taking on number three 59 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,119 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Then it's number one Texas versus Number five 60 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: Tennessee by number two Yukon facing number three Oklahoma and 61 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: wrapping up with number one USC look into Sol drawn 62 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: without Juju Watkins as they meet number five Kansas State. 63 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: Elite eight games will take place on Sunday and Monday, 64 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: narrowing the field down to the teams that'll head to 65 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: Tampa for the Final four next weekend. 66 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 2: A Tadmore College Hoops. 67 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: News Florida State junior guard Tenaya Latson, who led the 68 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: NCAA and scoring this season, is entering the transfer portal. 69 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: Her reps at Clutch Sports broke the news to ESPNS 70 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: Andrea Carter yesterday. Per a tweet from Carter, Latson is 71 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: keeping all options open, including a return to FSU. Latson, 72 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: a three time member of the All acc First Team, 73 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: averaged twenty five point two points per game, four point 74 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: six rebounds, and four point six assists this season while 75 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: shooting forty five percent from the floor. In WNBA news, 76 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: three time champ Candice Parker is getting her moment. 77 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: Y'all. The Los Angeles Sparks. 78 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: Will retire her number three jersey at Crypto dot Com 79 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: Arena at halftime on June twenty ninth, during the team's 80 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: game against the Chicago. Sky Parker brought star power to 81 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: the Sparks brand when she was drafted first overall out 82 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: of Tennessee in eight becoming the first and still only 83 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: simultaneous Rookie of the Year and League MVP. In twenty sixteen, 84 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: she helped the Purple and Gold end a championship draft 85 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: of fourteen years, and then spent four more seasons in 86 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: LA before leaving for her hometown Chicago. Sky CP three 87 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: then helped the Sky to the franchise's first ever WNBA 88 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: title in twenty twenty one. So it's fitting that the 89 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: jersey retirement ceremony will take place at Sparks. Sky Parker's 90 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: jersey will join Hall of Famer Lisa Leslie and former 91 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: general manager Penny Toller's threads in LA's rafters. In a 92 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: statement released by the Sparks, Parker said, quote, to see 93 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: my jersey hanging in the rafters amongst other legends is 94 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: truly in honor. 95 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 2: This moment is not just about me. 96 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: It's about my family, my teammates, and the incredible support 97 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 1: from the LA Sparks organization and fans. She continued, quote, 98 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: I'm grateful to my parents who believed in me every 99 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: step of the way, to my brothers who are still 100 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: my heroes, and to my wife and kids who inspire 101 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: me every day. 102 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: End quote. 103 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: Less that I could talk more about Candice and all 104 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: she's done for the game, but then we'd have an 105 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,239 Speaker 1: hour's long show, so I'll. 106 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: Just be brief. Candice, you are one of one. We 107 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 2: love you. 108 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: We can't wait to celebrate you. June twenty ninth, More 109 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: WNBA news. The WNBA is New York. Liberty announced yesterday 110 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: that the franchise is building an eighty million dollar practice 111 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: facility projected to open in twenty twenty seven, calling it 112 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: the first ever facility quote designed by players for players 113 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: end quote. Sabrina Escu, John Quell Jones, and Brianna Stewart 114 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: collaborated with global design firm Populace on behalf of their 115 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: whole squad, helping create a space that suits the team's 116 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: needs on and off the floor. The facility will be 117 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: located in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, overlooking the Manhattan Skyline, and it'll 118 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: span seventy five thousand square feet. Amenities at the facility 119 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: will include private suites for each player instead of traditional lockers, 120 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: two full practice courts, an outdoor basketball court, a roof deck, 121 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: player dining area, an indoor outdoor two story strength training room, 122 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: an in house player hair, nail and makeup studio, and 123 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: so much more. Honestly, that sounds like paradise. Hey, Si, family, 124 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: libs Ellie, everybody over there? 125 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: Can I move in? 126 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: There's enough space, right, you won't even notice I'm there. 127 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: Promise I'm real quiet, and even more w happenings. 128 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: Per the Golden State Valkyries. 129 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: Earlier this week, the franchise became the league's first ever 130 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: to sell ten thousand season tickets. 131 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: We love to hear it. 132 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: The Bay Area is buzzin' for women's basketball, and the 133 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: Valkyries tip off their inaugural season against the LA Sparks 134 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: at Chase Center on May sixteenth. Two NWSL games on 135 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: the slate tonight is the Houston Dash host Scotham FC, 136 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: and the Washington Spirit welcome BAFC to the district open 137 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: for a fourth straight home match sellout at Audiyfield. Both 138 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: games kickoff at eight pm Eastern. Five more games across 139 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: the weekend, including the kc Current hosting the Utah Royal 140 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: Saturday at seven thirty pm Eastern. Last year's Golden Boot 141 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: winner tim Wushewingo will be looking to tie her own 142 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: NWSL record of eight straight games with a goal. 143 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: We'll link to the schedule in our show notes. 144 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: Finally, in college Softball News, Tennessee pitcher Carlin Pickens, the 145 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: reigning SEC Pitcher of the Year, made history on Monday 146 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: with a seventy eight point two mile prime pitch in 147 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: the Lady Bowls game against Arkansas. The pitch is the 148 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: fastest recorded in NCAA history and may even be the 149 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: fastest of all time. Monica Abbott, who was also a 150 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: Lady Vowl, had a seventy seven mile prior pitch in 151 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: a National Pro Fast Pitch game in twenty twelve. That 152 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: till now had been the fastest softball pitch according to 153 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: the Guinness Book. 154 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: Of World Records. 155 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: But our research also found a Japanese pitcher, Yukiko uh 156 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: I know, who's said to have thrown a fast pitch 157 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: of one hundred and twenty eight kilometers per hour, which 158 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: is about seventy nine miles per hour. So we'll just 159 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: tell you that pickens pitch was fast, real fast, College 160 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: record breaking, Guinness World record breaking, and maybe more. Pickens 161 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: has already received an invite to play in a Savannah 162 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: Banana's game. No word yet on whether she'll just pitch 163 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: or get to hop in on a choreographed dance too. 164 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: By the way, we know, it's Friday and she threw 165 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: the pitch on Monday. But Tennessee's Cherry Parker Lee Stadium 166 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: is five hundred and fifty miles from Good Game HQ 167 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: here in Chicago, and it's seventy eight miles per hour. 168 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: It took a little while to get here. 169 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: We got to take a quick break when we come 170 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: back my conversation with CC Telfer. 171 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: But first a quick note. CC's perspective in. 172 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: This interview is informed, of course, by her lived experience. 173 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: At times, some of what she says doesn't seem entirely 174 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: consistent with the latest science or academic studies. 175 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: But here a good Game. 176 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: We're prioritizing running this interview because far too often conversations 177 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,559 Speaker 1: about trans people and trans athlete inclusion in sports don't 178 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: actually involve trans voices. So while CC might not have 179 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: all the perfect answers or have every relevant statistic right 180 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: off the top of her head, we think it's more 181 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: important for her voice to be heard as opposed to 182 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: having folks continue to speak around her without regard for 183 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: her humanity. All right, my conversation with CC's up next? 184 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: Stick around joining us now. 185 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: She's a Jamaican born track athlete and twenty nineteen Division 186 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: two NCAA champion in the four hundred meter hurdles, an author, activist, 187 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: and model. If you scroll her Insta, you know she 188 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 1: loves a matching work outfit and a bright jewel tone dress. 189 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: At CC telfer, what's up? CC? Thanks for joining us? 190 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 3: Hey you know, Sarah, I'm here. Thank you so much 191 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 3: for having me. Sorry about being tardy. Listen on me. 192 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: You're fine, You're here, That's what matters. 193 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: Thank you. 194 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: I want to start by talking about part of the 195 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: reason you're here, transitive visibility coming up on Monday the 196 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: thirty first, and I want to ask, just in general, 197 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: what are your feelings about the day and have they 198 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: changed in recent years. 199 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 3: Honestly, Sarah, it's become a bittersweet moment for me. I 200 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 3: don't know if you guys have done any research, but 201 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: back when I qualified for the Tokyo Olympics, they were 202 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 3: giving me a really hard time in accommodating me than 203 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 3: meaning World Athletics. They weren't really giving me good directions. 204 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 3: So with that happening International Trensgender Day of Visibility, I 205 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: would band on that day in twenty twenty two. So 206 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,599 Speaker 3: it was just like that. It's a bittersweet moment that like, 207 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: thank you so much for the recognition, but like, no, 208 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: think you because it's fake and the fact that you 209 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 3: threw it in my face that you're not allowed to 210 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 3: be an athlete. But on top of that, we're going 211 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 3: to ban you on yours day that we recognize you 212 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: and see you and supposedly see you. So it was 213 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,599 Speaker 3: very hurtful to get that notification on that day and 214 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 3: right and now looking forward, it just feels like a 215 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 3: constant reminder that I don't belong and that I'm allowed 216 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: to be anything else except this I'm allowed to be. 217 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: But it's truly not that I'm allowed to be, it's 218 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: what can we allow you to be? You know, and 219 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 3: then ban you on your the day that we're supposed 220 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: to see you. 221 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like this weird dichotomy of like you 222 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: both appreciate and want to be recognized and also you 223 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: just want to fit in and not stand out, right, 224 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: and in that moment, the fact that they didn't allow 225 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: you to fit and meant that you didn't get to participate. 226 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: You know, in a recent interview, you talked about how, 227 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: prior to this administration, you knew that you woke up 228 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: every day and you left the house and that you 229 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: might have to face some adversaries. But now because of 230 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: this administration, quote, I wake up every day and I 231 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: have to make sure that I. 232 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: Make it home alive. 233 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: Yes, can you share how things have changed for you 234 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: just even in the past few months. 235 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I do feel as though that the far right 236 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: has gotten louder about their hate for transgender people. It's 237 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: not about women in sports. It's just about controlling the 238 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 3: narrative and controlling who gets to exist and who doesn't. Respectfully, 239 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 3: the Trump administration and I have a personal relationship. They 240 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 3: did call me out in twenty nineteen, his son's calling 241 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 3: me a grave injustice to women's sports me personally, and 242 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 3: that kind of put a target on my back. The 243 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: target has gotten louder, more confident, bolder in the past 244 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 3: few months, and even given my workplace, a lot of 245 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: Make America Great Again hats like to come to my register, 246 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 3: like to come to my store when there's other lanes 247 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 3: that are open, right, they like to come to me 248 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 3: and even like to my death, like they hate me 249 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 3: so much, but they want my services. It's just it's unfathomable, 250 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 3: you know. And then I have cars screaming at me, 251 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: yelling out the window, call me if they call me, 252 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: all of these things, knowing very well that, like, you know, 253 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: I'm a woman, so like in my long hair, I'm 254 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 3: wearing like a trop top, short shirts whatever it may 255 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: be that time, like I very much exude feminine. I 256 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: very much exude h beauty and femininity. So it's just 257 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: like to be screamed at and yelled at in like 258 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 3: you know, in a gay friendly neighborhood. It just shows 259 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 3: how people have always been thinking and what they've been thinking. 260 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 3: I'm constantly misgendered by gay white men that act like 261 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: they don't know what the pro pro is. 262 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: So it feels like even the LGBTQ community. 263 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 3: Absolutely even going to the gym is an issue. I 264 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 3: how am I supposed to How am I supposed to 265 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: go into the locker rooms and change if they're they're 266 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 3: they're creating this big issue about changing rooms and bathrooms. Like, right, 267 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: I do see the women and now more than ever. 268 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: Like even in the past few months, they've been like 269 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: acting where they've been like jumping when they see me 270 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 3: in the changing room. They've been giving me smarky looks. 271 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 3: And that was not the case three months ago. Women 272 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 3: were very much like we don't care, like you know. 273 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: It's both performative, I think, in order to show displeasure, 274 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: but I think it's also probably as a result of 275 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: a real intention from the far right to create fear 276 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: around trans people more so than ever before. The amount 277 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: of money spent on advertising to demonize trans people, not 278 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: just in women's sport but in general. So then turn 279 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: people into not just maybe neutral observers, but to feel 280 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: like they're empowered to act or to show displeasure in 281 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: a way that just wasn't okay before, or at least 282 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: felt like for a while in most places it wasn't okay. 283 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: And they're scapegoating women like me to pretend that they 284 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: care about women in women's sports and issues. 285 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: And now we have the research that shows that the 286 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: people who are arguing on behalf of quote unquote protecting 287 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: or saving women's sports are usually ones that don't have 288 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: good feelings about women and women athletes in the first 289 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: place exactly, so it's all up front for their anti transagenda. 290 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: You know, I want to talk about your title. Back 291 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, six years ago, you became the first 292 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: out transgender athlete to win an NCAA title, winning the 293 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: Division two four under meter hurdles for Franklin Pierce University. 294 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: What are the emotions you feel when you remember that victory. 295 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 3: The emotions I feel are very much happily and sad. 296 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 3: It feels victorious and it's very much affirming for me 297 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 3: because one I belong, I belong on that team. I 298 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 3: belong in that moment. I belong. I deserve to win 299 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: that title just like any other ladies lining up on 300 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 3: that line with me. And like sadness because I did 301 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: get a lot of praise from a lot of ladies 302 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 3: that I line up on the line with me. But 303 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: I'm getting a lot of hate even today from that 304 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 3: because of that day, from some athletes that I ran 305 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 3: with on that day in twenty nineteen are still currently 306 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 3: mad and it's trying to resend that title or they 307 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 3: see as an accolade, which I don't see as a 308 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 3: title on accolade. I see it as a step further 309 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 3: in my affirmation in who I am and my validation 310 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: of what I'm here to do. And it's never going 311 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 3: to be a feeling of greatness and gratitude until I 312 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: get to that Olympic stage because when it comes to 313 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 3: the NCAA level, they pretend, like, you know, our existence 314 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: in sports doesn't matter if you're not Division one. So 315 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 3: in my mental state as an athlete, when I get 316 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 3: on that Olympic stage, that's when I can start celebrating. 317 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 3: That's when I can start rejoicing. Right but right now, 318 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 3: the game has just begun, So it was just another 319 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: step in the right direction for me, truly. 320 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about the future of your 321 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: track career in a little bit, but I think part 322 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: of what's probably interesting too about that win is that 323 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: there are less than enthusiastic reactions to your success. There's 324 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: such complicated feelings about your win, and that's not usually 325 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: how how it works. Usually it's just good job you won, right, 326 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: And instead you have to have it wrapped up in 327 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: whether your win is some sort of referendum on the 328 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: dominance of trans participation and the reason that it's problematic. Right, 329 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: it's much easier for us even those who back trans 330 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: inclusion to argue when those trans athletes aren't winning absolutely 331 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: because we could point to them and say, see, they 332 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: just want to participate and be included and play yes, 333 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: and then winning is much more complicated. So you've become, 334 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: in many ways, one of the very few faces of that. 335 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: How has that been for you? How do you defend 336 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: your right to win, not just be included and participate. 337 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: Well, you know, to defend my right to win. How 338 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: I do that is I show up and I showed that. Like, 339 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: when it comes to athletics and winning, it takes hard work, determination, blood, 340 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: sweat and tear. Is just like any other athletes who 341 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 3: are putting everything that they have, everything that they've been 342 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: trained for, on that line, on that field, on that course. Right, 343 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: that's what really defines me. So these people that are 344 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 3: creating all of these noises are not athletes, so therefore 345 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 3: whatever they're saying doesn't really affect me as much. However, 346 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 3: just like anybody else, that's what speaks for my success 347 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 3: is my hard work and dedication to my sport that 348 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 3: shows for itself, just like Angel Reis or Sydney mcloughland. Right, yeah, 349 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 3: just like all these other girls. That's how I show up. 350 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 3: I can't just wake up and decide to be a 351 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 3: female athlete as a transgender person. You know, there are 352 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 3: levels to it, and even if I even to get 353 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: on that track, I have to wait a year or 354 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 3: two in order for everything to you know, get the 355 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 3: green flag, to even compete. 356 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: Right and ultimately have lower testosterone levels than says women, 357 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: proving it again that the success of an athlete goes 358 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: so far beyond just your tea number exactly, preparation, hard work, mental, 359 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: all the other stuff that goes into it. I wonder 360 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: what you think like the biggest misconceptions are about trans 361 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: athletes in general. 362 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 3: The biggest misconceptions first is that this is a choice. 363 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 3: It's not a choice, and the choice that we had 364 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: to make to be ourselves was not an easy one, 365 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 3: so right there, right then and there, this is not 366 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 3: a choice. I lived this life. I didn't buy it. 367 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 3: The second most misconception is that we have an advantage 368 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 3: in sports, which we do not, as speaking personally, as 369 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 3: a transgender female athlete that has to undergo rigorous medical 370 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 3: treatment and then have to be approved by doctors, your therapists, 371 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 3: and then have to show all of these medical implications 372 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: to your board sporting body, and then there's still a 373 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 3: lingering possibility that they might not agree. Even if you 374 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 3: checked all the boxes and follow all the rules which 375 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 3: I have, you still are subjected to so much. Right, 376 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 3: And the fact is, hormones don't play a significant part 377 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 3: in your success as an athlete. It's determined upon how 378 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: hard you work your resources that you have, so coaches 379 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: and faysics are huge in being an athlete, and then 380 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: just your mental and physical health overall. So with that 381 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 3: being said, like my muscle rates, the medical transition that 382 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 3: I'm going through, my muscle mass is little to none, 383 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 3: and it's constantly being deteriorated every single day. I have 384 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 3: no testosterone in my body. My bones are getting more 385 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 3: and more brittler. So the quote unquote advantage that everybody 386 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 3: is talking about, especially because they like to pinpoint puberty, 387 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 3: all of that medically and scientifically is non existent anymore. 388 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 3: And these people that come up with these rules have 389 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 3: done the research and it's all there that shows that 390 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 3: when undergoing all of these hormone replacement therapies, there are 391 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 3: no advantages. There are none of these underlying factors that 392 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 3: everybody's talking about right, and then they try to make 393 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 3: the comparison that, oh, what about when you were competing 394 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: on the male team and on the female team. Well, 395 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 3: if you really think about it, I'm a female athlete 396 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 3: competing with the males, Like my hormones and all of 397 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 3: that are already female. So therefore I'm not going to 398 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 3: be as fast, I'm not going to be as good. 399 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 3: I'm not going to be as great because not only 400 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: I'm going through medical implications that is taking away my talent, 401 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 3: but I'm competing against men who are naturally talented, fast 402 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 3: and good at what they do without medical implications. Right, Right, 403 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 3: So when I go in the right category that I 404 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: belong in, you now see that the numbers are correlating 405 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 3: and they're matching up and they make sense. 406 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: You know. 407 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: I love this quote from friend of the Show Nikki 408 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: Hilts Love Nicki non binary runner, who came on and said, 409 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: if you're born into a world in which you don't fit, 410 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: that means you were made to build a new one. 411 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 2: It is an inspiring quote. 412 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: It's powerful, it's very hopeful, but it also feels like 413 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: a lot of folks who are already burdened by the 414 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: weight of bigotry and hate and ignorance. Then also get 415 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: tasked with the weight of advocacy and building worlds that 416 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: they want to live in. And I wonder do you 417 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: feel drawn to that? What's your relationship with activism and 418 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: the sort of pressure to represent or speak for all 419 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: trans folks. 420 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 3: To be honest, Sarah, there is no pressure. The only 421 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: pressure is just getting up and doing what you love 422 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 3: every day and not letting anybody stop you from doing that. 423 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 3: That's what the pressure is. Which is so easy because 424 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 3: as an athlete, traming and competing and putting in the 425 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: work to get to where I need to be is 426 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: so freeing. It's so therapeutic. It offers something a life 427 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 3: saving aspect that nothing else can offer, not even therapy, 428 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: not even doctors. So when I get out of practice 429 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 3: every single day, I feel so good to the point 430 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 3: that I can conquer the world. Not even Donald Trump 431 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 3: himself can say anything to break my heart, upset me, 432 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 3: or make me want to go, you know, un alive myself, 433 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 3: because I feel like that's what a lot of so 434 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 3: much hate that's coming from that administration every single day. 435 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 3: It can make a person without a backbone do that. 436 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 3: So just knowing like the physical and real world benefits 437 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 3: of training, of being an athlete. That's what's carrying me 438 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 3: through period. And to speak to Nicky's quote, which is 439 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 3: such a beautifl full one, when the world is trying 440 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 3: to make you not exist for just being who you are, 441 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 3: that just shows and it speaks volumes of how important 442 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: your awareness and your visibility is to this world. And 443 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 3: plus kids, if we're really talking about the kids, kids 444 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: who are trans, non binary, LGBTQ, whatever it may be, different, 445 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 3: not know how to you know, identify with whatever identity 446 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 3: that they're struggling with. They need to see a physical 447 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: manifestation of their dreams and themselves in order to you know, 448 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 3: be who they are, be what they want to be 449 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: in the world. 450 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: You know, That's what Chris Mosher always says. Yeah, friend, 451 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: Chris Mosure always says, be the person you needed to 452 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: see when you were younger. 453 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 3: And if you don't allow these people to do that, 454 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 3: you're robbing them of their potential and of their dreams 455 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 3: and of what they are here to do. And I 456 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 3: am being robbed every single day ever since twenty nineteen, 457 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 3: and a lot of people don't see that. 458 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: I think the idea of building a world. I know 459 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: Meghan Rappino has talked to this too. Sometimes she just says, 460 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: I just choose to live in the world. I want 461 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: to exist even if it doesn't exist yet, and I 462 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: act like it's already here, and hope to change the 463 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: people around me so that they see things the way 464 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: that I do. 465 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 2: And I try to embody that a lot. It's hard. 466 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: And I know you mentioned the hatred, how difficult it 467 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: is to carry around remarks from this administration or from others, 468 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: and how sports almost gives you a backbone. 469 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 2: I'm sure what you meant. 470 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's hard for people to want to stay 471 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: alive if they don't have a backbone. It's really just 472 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: a support system, both internally and externally. And this thing 473 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: that you love that gives you a feeling of freedom 474 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: and life and identity. 475 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 2: Right. 476 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: I think hearing athletes of any kind talk about what 477 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: sport means to them, we often don't talk about the 478 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: sort of psychosomatic body mind connection of true freedom, of 479 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: what you're telling your body about safety when you take 480 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: deep gulping breaths when you run, it ends stress cycles 481 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: that you're carrying to the track. Ever, and then releasing 482 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: in sport. And that's why it's so important that you 483 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: get to be included. And you know, when we have 484 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: conversations about this administration, I think a lot of people 485 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: rightfully so don't want to engage with someone who wants 486 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: to erase who they are. But you recently told CNN Sport, 487 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm willing to sit down with anybody who's willing to 488 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: have the conversation, even the Trump administration, Trump himself, if 489 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: he wants to sit down with me and talk and 490 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: have a human conversation and see me. Have you had 491 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: many folks who make policy actually reach out to you to. 492 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: Ask you about your experience or for your counsel. 493 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 3: No, Sarah, And that's the funny. I'm so glad that 494 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,239 Speaker 3: you asked that question, because they like to think that 495 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 3: they know and have the answers. But you don't like 496 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 3: to incorporate or have the people be a part of 497 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: the conversation or the table that are making these decisions. 498 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 3: It makes no sense. And what you spoke on about 499 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: Megan Rapino, I think three months ago, for transgender people, 500 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: especially women in sports, I would say yes, I identify with that, 501 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 3: like I have to create the world that I want 502 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 3: to live in which is what we're doing. But as 503 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 3: of three months ago, it's becoming more and more unsafe 504 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 3: to do that. It's like the more we are allowed 505 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,239 Speaker 3: about who we are, the more angry the far right is. 506 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 3: It's the craziest thing. It's the craziest thing. Like I 507 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 3: showed up to work today in a Q dress, like 508 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 3: affirming who I am, Like you would think I'm thinking 509 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 3: about myself, but I'm not making it difficult for other 510 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: people to get the message. Lashes, eyes, nails, always done 511 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 3: on point. But you're still going to miss gender me. 512 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 3: You're still gonna call me a man and go out 513 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 3: of your way too at that you're creating an unsafe space, 514 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 3: not only for me, but for the people around you. 515 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 3: Because now that little girl who thought that I was 516 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 3: a mermaid and that was a girl, you're making it 517 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 3: confusing for her when you hear her calling me a 518 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 3: man in sir. And this is how we create you 519 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 3: know what I mean? That horrible narrative that we're trying 520 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 3: to eliminate. Sorry, I just wanted to like pop on that. Yeah, 521 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 3: Like I love that, it's so beautiful. But when we 522 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 3: try to create the world ourselves we are demonized, and. 523 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,719 Speaker 1: Right, there has to be safety in that choice of 524 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: how and where you show up to create that world. Yes, 525 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: so it's hard for me to watch anti transactivists use 526 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: just like blatant lies and misinformation to try to scare 527 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: people into adopting their point of view. And I think 528 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: the last couple months, the way people are reacting to 529 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: transfolks and being more dangerous, being more demonstrative in their hatred, 530 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: is as a result of a lot of these lies, 531 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: people like Senator Tommy Tuberville claiming that their entire girls 532 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: teams made up of trans girls. 533 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 2: Oh my god, mind you. 534 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one, when Alabama band trendsgender students from competing 535 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: in high school athletics, the Alabama High School Athletic Association 536 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: said it wasn't aware of any trans athletes ever competing 537 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: in the state. 538 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 2: And this is what we find. 539 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: So often policy is created for zero to one or 540 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: two athletes, usually in it like preventative in advance of 541 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: a problem that doesn't exist. 542 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: And I wonder how. 543 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: Do people who want to have thoughtful conversations about trans 544 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: participation with nuance and data compete with those headline grabbing 545 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: lies that they're using. 546 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 3: Honestly, Sarah, that's a really good question. And there's nothing 547 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 3: better than having the actual source there themselves, right, There's 548 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 3: nothing better than primary data. So the actual people with 549 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 3: real life experiences, like myself, Chris Mooser, Chase Well, I mean, 550 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 3: Chase is not an athlete, but you know what I mean. 551 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 3: The athletes that are actually yes, the athletes that are 552 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 3: actively out and like doing the work. These are the 553 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 3: ones that we need to invite to the conversations. And 554 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 3: like when I called al Donald Trump and my governing 555 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 3: bodies of track and Field, I call them out too, 556 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 3: because they are making decisions. They see the science, and 557 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 3: they see the proof and the results which coordinate with 558 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 3: the science that they they studied, by the way, and 559 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 3: I invited them to follow me on a day to 560 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 3: day basis to see what goes on in my life 561 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 3: and if you want to follow me around for a 562 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 3: whole month to make sure you know what I mean, 563 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 3: there is no great aired. They they still don't want 564 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 3: to do that because it's not about transgender women in sports. 565 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 2: It's just about it's misogyny. 566 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: Ultimately, if we can slowly use trans people and then 567 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: queer people, yeah, and then women, Like so much of 568 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: it is tied to staying in your lane. 569 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 3: Or your role ultimately exactly staying in your lane on 570 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 3: your role, that is exactly what it is, right, How 571 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 3: do you. 572 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: Deal with your identity and who you are and who 573 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: you know? Is you being discussed mostly through the lens 574 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: of statistics and policy as opposed to your humanity. 575 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 3: Every day It's so hard to handle, Like when people 576 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: see me or knowing that I'm now like restricted to 577 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 3: just statistics and numbers, that like really sucks. But at 578 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 3: the end of the day, I just how I show 579 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 3: up or how I break through that is that I 580 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 3: just keep continue to show up and keep continue to 581 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 3: you know, voice my opinion on platforms like this one 582 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 3: and CNN and you know other platforms that give me 583 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 3: a voice to show them that, like, you know, regardless 584 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 3: of the facts and sciences that are presented, here is 585 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 3: the real life experience coming from me. And you know, 586 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 3: just looking back on where I was and where I 587 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 3: am today is so affirming and it just empowers me 588 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 3: to keep going in the direction that I'm going because 589 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 3: if not me, who and nobody's going to live my 590 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: life besides me? 591 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we had the host of the Tested 592 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: podcasts on our show, and some really excellent incredible reporting there, 593 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: including on the ongoing study of the science behind trans 594 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: participation and also athletes with differences in sex development and 595 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: the kind of gamut of how human biology is not binary. 596 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: But we're trying to force sports to be in a 597 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: binary so it's complicated, right. Yes, even those who believe 598 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 1: in inclusion, particularly like the youth level, might still have 599 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: questions about fairness at collegiate, pro or Olympic levels and 600 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: can point to science in some ways still being sort 601 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: of a jury is out. What would you say to 602 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: someone who's like, yes, absolutely, at youth levels or middle 603 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: school or even maybe high school, we should prioritize the 604 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: humanity aspect and the participation what can be gained from 605 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: being on a team. But I'm not sure about how 606 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: to police it or make rulings when you get into 607 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: the highest levels. 608 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 3: That's a good question as well. I would say for now, 609 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 3: working on the lower levels or the novice levels of 610 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 3: or it's fine. Ways to always incorporate and include other kids, 611 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 3: for sure, because at the end of the day, these 612 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 3: are the skills that are necessary to get into the 613 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 3: real world or to even treat other people who don't 614 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 3: look like you necessarily, you know, as a good human being. 615 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 3: Collaborative skills, working with other people and working together with 616 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 3: your classmates and your peers. These are skills that are 617 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 3: earned are you develop over time, Especially when you're an athlete, 618 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 3: you develop them sooner actually when you're on a team, 619 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 3: and it just helps you integrate into society and life 620 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 3: better knowing that there are classes of people that don't 621 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 3: look like you, may not necessarily have the same privilege 622 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 3: as you, but they're still human beings and they deserve 623 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 3: to be treated well and to be treated as such. 624 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 3: So I feel like on the lower level, empower kids 625 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 3: to work together and to play sports together. There are 626 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 3: co ed teams. People like to pretend that co ed 627 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 3: teams don't exist, they do, or. 628 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: That like younger kids don't play with older. 629 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 3: Kids exactly, and that boy and girls don't pay on 630 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 3: the same team, especially when you're in preschool, middle school, 631 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 3: elementary levels. Yeah, and these are the things that actually 632 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 3: I think that co ed sports, especially at the lower 633 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 3: level are are how Sydney with Gloughlins and you knows 634 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 3: and all of these other female athletes became so amazingly 635 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 3: great at their sport because they were all out. They 636 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 3: were competing with boys and they had to be the best, 637 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 3: and they had that you know, competitive spirit that that 638 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 3: was nurtured and manifested, you know, on and off the 639 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 3: field with their their their peers, teachers, and their family. 640 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 3: Like you know, a lot of these people, a lot 641 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 3: of these successful athletes, their their family and their parents 642 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 3: are a huge pillar in their success. And that's a 643 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 3: huge mental boost to ignore every and anything. Imagine if 644 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 3: Sidney McLoughlin was going through what I was going through 645 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 3: and having the stability that her parents get get her 646 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 3: nothing else matters like that mental stability that you have, 647 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 3: that mental and physical state of being, like that solitude 648 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 3: of knowing who you are and having your parents to 649 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 3: back you, that is huge. I don't have that. I 650 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 3: know that like other trends female athletes like Sadie don't 651 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: have that. We look at Injury or Yearwood and Terry Mill. 652 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 3: There are those two trends athletes that sparked this whole 653 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 3: thing that you know, they had their parents to support 654 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 3: them and be the shield and guide them, and look 655 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 3: at how that came out. I saw the whole thing 656 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 3: plan out and their moms, not their dads. A lot 657 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 3: of their moms are on the front line saying that 658 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 3: this is my kid and this is you know, they 659 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 3: were advocating because a lot of the fathers didn't know 660 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 3: how to. And that's really what it takes. It takes 661 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 3: the parents to intervene and say, no, my kid is 662 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 3: going to be competing on this team whether you like 663 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 3: it or not, because this is who they are, and 664 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 3: what are we going to do in order to make 665 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 3: sure that they can you know, integrate into the team appropriately. 666 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: It's about following policy that exists and continuing to update 667 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: policy the best we can with a mind for inclusion 668 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: and also for fairness and understanding where the science takes 669 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: us and leads us, and trying to be as humane 670 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: and caring as we can in the process while also 671 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,959 Speaker 1: trying to keep it as fair as we can. And 672 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: I think that's, like I said, really hard to do 673 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: when we're trying to force a binary out of people 674 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: and humans who are not necessarily in a binary. Do 675 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: you think that there's a league or an organization that's 676 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: getting it right. 677 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Sarah, that's a really good question. Like 678 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 3: right now, I think just everybody's following suit. It was cycling, 679 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 3: Now cycling has banned, you know Chelsea Wolf and she 680 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 3: already went to Tokyore Like, Oh, I'm like, I'm trying 681 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 3: to think which because I feel like the last couple 682 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 3: of months has scared everybody off and now everybody's following suit. 683 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 3: I think the one organization that I was going to 684 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 3: stick with was the NCAA, and they they just changed policy. 685 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 3: So right now I just feel like nobody we're not 686 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 3: protected under anything. Everybody wants to cast us out. Yeah, 687 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 3: we're fending for ourselves. 688 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it feels like it enter your point, 689 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: it does feel like there was sort of a consensus 690 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 1: around like making their own policies and deciding based on 691 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: a lot of research and science, and now they're being 692 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: sort of threatened in some cases, whether you're defending or 693 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: otherwise into acquiescing. Have you I've seen somebody, an individual person, 694 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: have their mind changed about trans athlete participation in favor 695 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: of inclusion, and what did it? 696 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 2: What changed their mind? 697 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 3: Honestly, I have changed a lot of coaches minds. I've 698 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 3: interacted with a lot of coaches on the NCAA Division 699 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 3: two that thought that had the narrative that it's wrong 700 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 3: for me to be in women's sports, especially because they've 701 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 3: seen me compete as a female athlete on the men's team, 702 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 3: which they were okay with. But once I made that 703 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 3: transition to like, you know, protect myself and the mental 704 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 3: health and like do what's best for me, they completely 705 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 3: changed their narrative. And then they got to know me 706 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 3: as an athlete, you know, with conferences and state championships 707 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 3: and just constantly seeing me and then actually giving me 708 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 3: the benefit of doubt and interacting with me, seeing how 709 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 3: I interact with their other athletes, seeing how I because 710 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 3: of me, their athletes actually got faster, numbers, got quicker, 711 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 3: They actually went to national something that they didn't know, 712 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 3: they didn't think that they were capable of doing without 713 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 3: having somebody like me to challenge them. A lot of 714 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 3: the coaches have come out and said thank you so 715 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 3: much for existing and for being here. I even had 716 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 3: my own perceptions of transgender people until I've met you, 717 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 3: so thank you for that, which is huge. 718 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: That's a big part of it for sure, just meeting people. 719 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: They're human beings. When we tend to meet each other, 720 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 1: regardless of our differences, we want to connect. It's it's 721 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: just organic and authentic to want to connect to other humans. 722 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 1: And there's too many people just lobbing insults from far 723 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: away through a computer or through policy that they haven't recess. 724 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially dads who have daughters. They have come out 725 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 3: and saying I don't like the way this world is 726 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 3: treating woman as a whole. And I see that like 727 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 3: you're you know how my daughters look up to you 728 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 3: or and they're not even trans, right, So it's just 729 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 3: like they don't want to change that narrative, you know, 730 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 3: and they have nothing but to embrace and do their 731 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 3: research and now they see, well, these women are actually 732 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 3: like regular people, right, so why not love and embrace? 733 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 3: And it's getting somewhere. But I feel like the last 734 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 3: couple of months is scaring a lot of. 735 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,439 Speaker 1: People right going backwards, it feels like, Yeah, I think 736 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 1: one thing is, like you said, if you can't go 737 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: out and talk to face to face someone, they can 738 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: read your book from last year, Make It Count My 739 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: fight to become the first transgender Olympic runner. 740 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 2: Why should folks read that? 741 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: And what do you talk about in that book about 742 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: your hopes for your future as an athlete. 743 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 3: My book Make Account Fight to Be the first tran 744 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 3: gender Olympic runner speaks a lot about my you know, 745 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 3: coming of age, coming of coming to who I am. 746 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 3: Storytelling is the best way to you know, get people 747 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 3: to get involved and to have a conversation and to 748 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 3: include different people a part of the conversation, even those 749 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 3: that are anti trans so and it gives them the 750 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 3: perspective of how I was thinking of what was really 751 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 3: going on in my head during that time and leading 752 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 3: up to Who I Am now. And one thing that 753 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 3: stood out to me while I was writing that book 754 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 3: and hundreds of copies of editing and uh sleepless nights, 755 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 3: was that little Ceci always saw herself as a little girl. 756 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 3: She never identified as a boy, never identified as gay, 757 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 3: never identified as anything masculine. I've I came to the 758 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 3: epiphany that she was always seeking the female like who 759 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 3: she was as a as a little girl, because everything 760 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 3: that was physical was against her thought process and everything 761 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 3: that people was trying to constantly correct to her, like girl, 762 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 3: boys don't do this, boys to do that, That's not 763 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 3: what you do. You don't stand like that, you don't 764 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,439 Speaker 3: talk like that, you don't play back before you don't 765 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 3: run like that, so and then she. 766 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 2: Was doing Yeah, it's exactly. 767 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 3: So that really stood out to me. And I feel 768 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:07,320 Speaker 3: like my book offers that truth and that raw storytelling 769 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 3: that a lot of books don't have nowadays, you know. 770 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 3: And I married the book too, and for my audiobook, 771 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 3: and the making comes out sometimes because it's just so 772 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 3: it's so truthful and so impacting, and it even impacted 773 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,439 Speaker 3: me like reading it over and over again, like yeah, 774 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 3: the pain that it brings, the laughter and love that 775 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 3: it brings, Like even thinking about it right now, like 776 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 3: I'm getting emotional because I'm looking back on where I 777 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 3: was and who I am today and I couldn't be here. 778 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,919 Speaker 3: I would have never been here today if it wasn't 779 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 3: for little CC So I had to give her her flowers. 780 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 3: And for a little girl to be that strong and 781 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 3: knowing who she was when the world was telling her 782 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 3: that this is not who she is, it's very inspiring. 783 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: How do your hopes for your future as an athlete 784 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: maybe differ from the reality that you think will happen, 785 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: or do you still have hope that you'll be able 786 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: to pursue the dreams you have? 787 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 2: Right now? 788 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 3: Everything is just in the unknown. And I feel like 789 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 3: the one thing that really kept me saying was waking 790 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 3: up every day knowing that I have to go to 791 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 3: practice and make sure that I give it everything in 792 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 3: order to start my day or to even eat. So 793 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 3: now that like the narrative is just so loud that 794 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 3: it's affecting like my career, it's affecting my rent, it's 795 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 3: affecting the money that goes in my pocket. Like I 796 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 3: not to like come to the realization that, you know, 797 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 3: athletics might not be something that is for me, you know, 798 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 3: like being in this solution or an endless cycle of 799 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 3: being torn down and not feeling or being embraced or 800 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 3: feeling like you're a part of something. It's it's it's 801 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 3: getting tired. It's nothing new, right, however, it is getting tiring, 802 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 3: especially when the far right is just so loud, and 803 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 3: I'm seeing that my my counterparts, like Sadie, Sadie Shiner, 804 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 3: like she we entered a track meet together and they 805 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 3: pulled her out of that meat like hours before she 806 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 3: got onto that track. Had I spent eight hundred dollars 807 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 3: to fly to Boston to compete, what would they have 808 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 3: said to me? Because I didn't get that email that 809 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 3: she got right right, and that would just been a 810 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 3: way a huge waste of money. So I find myself 811 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 3: reconstructing my life where I can't make athletics a priority anymore. 812 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 3: However it's not It's still there in my day to 813 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 3: day life, Like I still feel like I cannot complete 814 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 3: my day unless I train. I just worked an eight 815 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 3: hour shift and my day still didn't start until I train. 816 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 3: Once I take my shoes off and I'm on my 817 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 3: way home, my body is completely different. I'm on the 818 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 3: entire day like stress, Like it's the craziest thing. 819 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: So there's so much safety in sport, and I think 820 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: so many safety To your point, it's like, it's not 821 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: that track might not be for you. It might not 822 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: be there for you. It's for you, it's clearly for you, 823 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 1: but it might not be there for you because the. 824 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,359 Speaker 2: Rules won't allow it to be. 825 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure it's hard to have so many 826 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: of your interviews be about this heavy stuff, to be 827 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: about people. 828 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 2: Who are questioning you. 829 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 1: I wonder what brings you joy these days if you're 830 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 1: comfortable sharing other than running. 831 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 3: Honestly, that's a good question. It's really hard to find 832 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 3: anything that brings me joy nowadays, because I just think that, like, 833 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,359 Speaker 3: I'm just so obsessed with being the best at what 834 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 3: I do, even though I'm being casted out. But I 835 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 3: would say, like, you know, getting my lashes done or 836 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 3: getting my nails done really is affirming for me and 837 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 3: it helps me a lot. 838 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: It's truly self Careen your case, we just use that 839 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: as an excuse. 840 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 3: Us for highlights is been money. 841 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 2: But for you, it's really it's so affirming. 842 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 3: So because at the end of the day, if people 843 00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,319 Speaker 3: misgendered me every day at my job, and now I 844 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 3: feel like they're doing it on purpose. When I look 845 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 3: down on my nails and I go to the bathroom 846 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,320 Speaker 3: for a bathroom break and I look in that mirror, 847 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 3: I'm like, these bitches could never like I'm sorry, Like 848 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 3: I look at I'm like, wow, look at her. They're 849 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 3: just mad. These men are really really just mad because 850 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,359 Speaker 3: they want me so bad and you know that they 851 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 3: can't have me, so they have to hate me. What 852 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 3: I tell myself to boost myself and you have to. 853 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: Keep getting those jewel tone dresses the great I'm a 854 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: jewel tone girly too, so I get it. 855 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 2: Listen, I know, don't try to put me in a pastel. 856 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 2: It's not gonna work. 857 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 3: It's not gonna work. 858 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 2: It's not gonna work jewel tones for me. 859 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 3: And then just like, honestly, like it really sucks the 860 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,280 Speaker 3: sides struck. But a good workout, like a good pilate session, 861 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 3: a good sweat session, an AD session makes me feel 862 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 3: so good because I get my body and I'm like, 863 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 3: where is the man? Please tell me where is he? 864 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,800 Speaker 3: Because my body is giving top to her right here. Yeah, 865 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 3: So I just then speak to myself like that. It's 866 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 3: just I have to blusten myself up like that, you know. 867 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, listen when it comes to those abs, this bitch 868 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: could never I never could and even when I was 869 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,839 Speaker 1: doing track in college, never got that six pack. CC, 870 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,359 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on happy trans Day 871 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 1: of Visibility. I know it's not always happy for you, 872 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: but we see you and we're so grateful that you 873 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: gave us some time. 874 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 875 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: We have to take another break. When we come back, 876 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: we hit you with another What the Fact. 877 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 2: Welcome back slices. 878 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,319 Speaker 1: It's time for another edition of What the Fact, this 879 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: one in honor of trans Day of Visibility. First a 880 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: quick recap of recent history. So, in the last few years, 881 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 1: dozens of states have passed legislation barring transgender girls and 882 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,600 Speaker 1: sometimes all transgender kids, from participating in school sports that 883 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 1: align with their gender identity. 884 00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 2: That created a patchwork of. 885 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: Policies across the United States, with some states banning trans 886 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,799 Speaker 1: kids from participating, while other states followed laws that prohibited 887 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,279 Speaker 1: discrimination based on gender identity, and others still had no 888 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: clear policy, leaving individual schools and conferences to make up 889 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 1: their own rules. This patchwork became even more modeled a 890 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: few weeks ago when President Trump cited an executive order 891 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,280 Speaker 1: that threatened to restrict federal funding to states that allowed 892 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: transgender girls to compete on girls sports teams. Now, it's 893 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 1: worth remembering that executive orders are not laws, and some 894 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,760 Speaker 1: states have fought back, like Maine, with Governor Janet Mills 895 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,240 Speaker 1: arguing that Trump's executive order doesn't supersede either the current 896 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: federal law Title nine or Maine's Human Rights Act, which 897 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 1: prohibits discrimination against transgender athletes. The far right argues that 898 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: these bans are necessary in order to quote unquote protect 899 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: women's sports, and often make claims that transgender girls and 900 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: women are stealing roster spots from CIS girls and women. 901 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,799 Speaker 1: But what does the research actually say about inclusive policies 902 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 1: and participation? While the Center for American Progress, a public 903 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 1: policy research institute, examined participation rates and found that in 904 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 1: states with policies inclusive of transgender girls, all girls were 905 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: more likely to participate in sport. For example, California adopted 906 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 1: a statewide policy in twenty fourteen allowing transgender kids to 907 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,520 Speaker 1: participate in sports, and in the six years that followed 908 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: up until the pandemic started in twenty twenty, the participation 909 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 1: rate of high school girls in school sports increased by 910 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 1: fourteen percent, while the boys participation rate increased by just 911 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: two percent. 912 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:28,479 Speaker 2: So the next time. 913 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: Year, someone arguing that trans inclusion means stealing spots from 914 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 1: cisgender girls send them the study. 915 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 2: We'll link to the. 916 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: Full report in our show notes. 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Speaking of books, is it just me 936 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,719 Speaker 1: or has it been a while since I told you 937 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,920 Speaker 1: to pre order my book? Yeah, it feels like it 938 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 1: just feels like it's been a while. 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I'm reminded of a story 946 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,279 Speaker 1: recently shared by friend of the show Shimmy Miller, who 947 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 1: just welcomed a little bundle of joy with wife and 948 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 1: friend of the show Lisa Byington. The duo brought baby 949 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: Jordan Great Name by the Way to the Big Ten 950 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: tournament earlier this month, and when Lisa entered the arena 951 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: carrying her security stopped and asked for the baby's ticket. 952 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,240 Speaker 1: She laughed and took a step ahead before they assured 953 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 1: her that they were dead serious. This fresh out the 954 00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,279 Speaker 1: woomb infant would need to be a ticket holder. A 955 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,480 Speaker 1: Big Ten staffer came to the rescue, printing out a 956 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,280 Speaker 1: credential for baby Jordan instead. 957 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 2: So all's well, that ends well. 958 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 1: But y'all, it's expensive enough to be a parent already, 959 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,200 Speaker 1: Let's not be charging infants who can't even hold their 960 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,360 Speaker 1: own head up for a damn ticket. Hashtag team Jordan. 961 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,800 Speaker 1: Now it's your turn, rate and review. Thanks for listening. 962 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 1: See you next week. 963 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 2: Good game, CC, good game, Candace. 964 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: Few trans phobes history will judge you harshly, and Karma 965 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: will exact its revenge. Good Game with Sarah Spain is 966 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,160 Speaker 1: an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue 967 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,319 Speaker 1: Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, 968 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,759 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Production by 969 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,240 Speaker 1: Wonder Media Network, our producers are Alex Azzie and Misha Jones. 970 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,880 Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Christina Everett, Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan 971 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,280 Speaker 1: and Emily Rudder. Our editors are Emily Rudder, Brittany Martinez, 972 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: and Grace Lynch. Our associate producer is Lucy Jones and 973 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm Your host Sarah Spain