1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Quality datas, but Joseph's gotten more. I don't know of 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: too many people that would want to be admitted to 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: the hospital if they you know, if they had their 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: way in a perfect world, it's it's certainly not a 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: place where you go to rest, because if that's what 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: you're looking for rest, that is, you know, go buy 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: an airplane ticket, go some isolated location and rest there, 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: or just stay at home. 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 2: Hospitals are one of. 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: These places that's like a beehive. I've worked in them, 11 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: I've always thought of them that way. You've got worker 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: bees that are scurrying all over the place. They have 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: these very specific jobs that they do, and everybody's important. 14 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're the chief of neurosurgery or 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: you're the janitor. Everybody has a job, and if it 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: breaks down, then everything else begins to erode. Well, just 17 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: like any other kind of I don't know, organization, there 18 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: are problems that arise, things that you can't necessarily foresee. 19 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: Most of the time, the focus in the hospital is 20 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: taking care of those that are ill, taking care of 21 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: those who are on death doorstep and brought back. But 22 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: there's another responsibility that hospitals have and that is to 23 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: take care of the dead and their families. Today, we're 24 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: going to discuss a case that is shocking iking for 25 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, but namely, a patient walks into 26 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: a hospital to receive treatment and it's not seen again 27 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: until her body is discovered in long term storage. I'm 28 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks, Dave. I've worked 29 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: in hospitals that have really bad morgs, and I've worked 30 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: in them that have state of the art morks. And 31 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: that's in addition to the work that I've done with 32 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: corners and medical examiners. I've never told you this, but 33 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: I don't think at least, but I used to work 34 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: as a side job. I worked for private pathology groups 35 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: where hospital pathologists don't like to do autopsy. So I 36 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: would go to the hospital and I think they were 37 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: like in the group, the group that I worked with 38 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, they serviced like seven different hospitals. So I 39 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: travel all over the metro area Atlanta and go assistant 40 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: autopsies and it was I enjoyed it. I enjoyed doing autopsies, 41 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: but the doctor would just ask me, well, what were 42 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: your finding, and they might not ever walk into the morgue, 43 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: and it varied from doctor to doctor. So I've seen 44 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of the good and the bad. 45 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: You know, when you're in a morgue, you've got a cooler, 46 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: maybe a couple of coolers, and you're having to handle 47 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: the body by yourself, if you can imagine. I think 48 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons my back is run. 49 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: Now, that's where the term dead weight comes from. 50 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: It is it is, and it is dead weight. 51 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: But you know, you see all kinds of things. Really, 52 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: you talk about getting into the guts operationally of a 53 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: hospital that's born out in the way the morgue is 54 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: run and the way the morgue is handled, because I 55 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: think that it's indicative of the way a lot of 56 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: other things in the hospital are handled. Because you know, 57 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: let's face it, if you cannot, if you cannot respect 58 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: the dead, that's a real baseline kind of thing. If 59 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: you cannot, you know, how are you treating the living? 60 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: You know, because the dead people might not agree with this, 61 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: but the dead are the most helpless among us, right, 62 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: They're totally dependent upon us and by extension, their families too. 63 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 3: But you know, one of the things in a funeral 64 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 3: home is the You cannot leave a body alone in 65 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: the funeral home because if something happens, if there's a fire, 66 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: somebody has to be there to get the body or 67 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 3: bodies out of the funeral home. Now, I don't know 68 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 3: if that's still a law. In this case. We are 69 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: dealing with a thirty one year old, very accomplished woman. 70 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: She is a prosecuting attorney, and she has some medical 71 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: issues if she's diabetic and some other things. She had 72 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: had an infection in her foot one time and had 73 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: surgery on it, but going to the hospital is not 74 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: something she does on a regular basis. However, she did 75 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 3: find herself in a diabetic situation where she goes to 76 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 3: the hospital, but after two days she calls her mom, Hey, 77 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: come and get me. I need to get out of here. 78 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 3: Now there's a little blurriness as to what transpired at 79 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: this point with Jesse Peterson, but no matter how it happens. 80 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 3: At twoint thirty, she on April the eighth, she calls 81 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 3: her mom, would you come and get me at the hospital? 82 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: All right, Jesse, I'm away. When mom arrives around four 83 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 3: thirty or so, Jesse's not there. Where's my daughter? What 84 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 3: are you talking about? She checked herself out and left. 85 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: They actually tell her that I talked to my daughter 86 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 3: two hours ago. She said she was leaving. Where is she? 87 00:05:54,839 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: She checked herself out and left. Now Mom immediately starts 88 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: looking for her, because why would the hospital tell her 89 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 3: something wrong. You know, she can't find her, calling friends, 90 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 3: calling family, checking around, can't find her anywhere. She was 91 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: in the hospital, checked herself out, and now she's missing. Joe. 92 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 3: They actually look for her, and then they do this 93 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 3: standard turn her in as a missing person. She's an adult. 94 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: Here's the problem. We've gone to this before. She's a 95 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: thirty one year old, accomplished adult. She has the right 96 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 3: to be to disappear herself as she wants to. It 97 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 3: might not be what we'd want for her, but that's 98 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: what we say happened. So there you go. For a year. 99 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 3: Joseph Scott Morgan. For a year, the family is looking 100 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 3: for a year. They're calling the police for updates. For 101 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 3: a year. They're organizing people to go out and look. 102 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 3: For a year. They are talking to homeless people, and 103 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 3: they mentioned this in some of the stories I've heard. 104 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 3: They went to the roughest sections of town to find 105 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: out if maybe somehow she had a psychological break with 106 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 3: reality and is lost among the homeless population. And they 107 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: went there in the hours of the night when most 108 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 3: of us are sound asleep. They went into those areas 109 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: just at the thought that their daughter, their cousin, their 110 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: sisters would be there. And for a year they didn't 111 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: know Joe because the hospital said she checked herself out 112 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: and left. 113 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. How what a horrible set of circumstances. Particularly, you know, 114 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: this is one of the things that you know, I 115 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: think people make a sport of this comment sometimes, but 116 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: there are instances where where people will say things like, well, 117 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: we need to find them because they've got medical problems, 118 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, and that might be a ruse or whatever 119 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: the case might be, just try to get their hands 120 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: on the person. That's the case here, you know, with 121 00:07:54,960 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: with miss Peterson, she she had been and she was ten, dave, 122 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: she'd been diagnosed with type one diabetes. 123 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 3: And just give us a breakdown of what Yeah, okay. 124 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: Well i'll tell you. I'll tell you specifically. In other words, 125 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: her pancreas would not produce insulin period, all right, And 126 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: that's at a baseline. We have to have insulin in 127 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: order to survive and her pancreas for whatever reason, whether 128 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: it's a genetic predisposition, whatever it is, when she was ten. 129 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: You know, she's diagnosed with this condition, and there are 130 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: all kinds of peripheral medical problems that come along with us. 131 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: You had mentioned the surgical intervention for her foot. It's 132 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: one thing if you injure your foot, If you don't 133 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: have diabetes, okay, but you injure your foot and maybe 134 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: you've got an open wound. Well, the next thing you know, 135 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: you've got a doctor looking at you saying, we're gonna 136 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: have to amputate your foot, all right, and the vessels 137 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: begin to collapse. There's cardiovascular problems that come about. Uh, 138 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: there's a real diminishment many times the body on I've 139 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: heard I heard one person describe it at one point 140 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: in time as if the body almost tries to digest itself, 141 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, and so they many times, if you're not 142 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: real vital, you're not on top of it. This condition, 143 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: it it gives you this kind of very wasting appearance, 144 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: you know, uh, drawn thin. Many times you have to 145 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: be really on top of the circumstances relative to your 146 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: own personal health. I've got a number of friends that 147 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: have type one diabetes and they actually have insulin pumps 148 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: that you know, are attached to a belt loop or whatever, 149 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: and you'll see them every now and then, you know, 150 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: and they're they have sensors, you know, that can give 151 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: them an indication and when they're out of balance and 152 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: they have to be very careful about what they ingest. 153 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 2: You know. 154 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: It's there are a lot of people that have type 155 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: two diabetes or have the precursors, you know, those sorts 156 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: of things. They'll still eat like they want. They can 157 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: get a bump of insulin from an injection or however 158 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: it is that they receive it and it'll put them 159 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: back on balance. That's not the case with type one. 160 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: Some people refer to it as juvenile diabetes because it's 161 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: something that you develop when you're young. There are people 162 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: that are adults that develop Type one, but for the 163 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: most part, and she fits right in that bracket, doesn't 164 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: she She's ten years old, David. This is something going 165 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: back to the family in this case. This is something 166 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: that her mother, God bless her. I saw an interview. 167 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: I was watching an interview with mom. This is a 168 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: fight they've been fighting together. Her entire life, and it 169 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: sounds like they were very close. 170 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: Mom and daughter were. 171 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: I mean, she's calling her mom to come pick me up, 172 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, from the hospital, and this is a fight. 173 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: They've been fighting for a long time. And now the 174 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: daughter checks into the hospital for what has been described 175 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: as a diabetic event, because sometimes it gets so bad 176 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: that you need to have around the clock monitoring, you know, 177 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: check your sugars and all these sorts of things. And 178 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: she had had enough. I mean, like many of us, 179 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, you go to the hospital. You know, after 180 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: a few days, it's like I think, I'm and this 181 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: is a person that would really know her body. 182 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 3: You know, this is not an idiot, Joe. This is 183 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: no very accomplished woman. Very much that you pointed this out, 184 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 3: I understand so much better because I did have some 185 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: questions in my head as to what was going on. 186 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 3: So she had been in the hospital a couple of 187 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: months earlier, in January with she did have a diabetic event, 188 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 3: and I mentioned a few minutes ago she did have surgery, 189 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 3: you know, year prior. But by the time it rolls 190 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 3: around here and mom is coming to get her at 191 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: the hospital, she knows her body. She's had her filla 192 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 3: bey in the hospital and she's leaving. Okay, I get 193 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 3: that now, I understand, But I don't understand how mom 194 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 3: shows up and they give her the she checked herself out. 195 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: We don't know where she is. I mean, why would 196 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 3: we know she left on her own against doctor advice? 197 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and when. 198 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: That's an interesting thing because this is what's commonly referred 199 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: to as AMA. And for those of you that have 200 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: never been in a hospital environment, or maybe it's a 201 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: situation in your own life where you have you've had 202 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: all you can stand, you don't feel like you're receiving 203 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: the treatments you want, or the treatment is so horrible 204 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: you're like, look, anything is better than this. I'm checking 205 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: myself out. And what they will ask you to do 206 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: is they will ask you to sign a paper that 207 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: says I'm leaving against medical advice or that AMA. They're saying, look, 208 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: you need to stay here for your own good. And 209 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: I can assume that she was probably being followed by 210 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: a team of physicians. Certainly, you know nowadays it's hard 211 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: to find when you go to hospital. They're populated by 212 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: what are called hospitalists now, and hospitalists are It's not 213 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: like the old days where you would have your own 214 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: personal physician and they would have privileges at the hospital, 215 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: and I guess they still do have privileges, but you're 216 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: going to be treated by what's referred to as a hospitalist, 217 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: and they're like all things to all people. They're supposed 218 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: to manage the healthcare of the individual that is an endpatient, 219 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: and they'll be called up to ICU, they'll be called, 220 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 1: you know, perhaps to the adolescent war. If somebody has 221 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: got their post surgical and they're in the hospital, that 222 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: doctor is physically what they're referred to as being in 223 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: the house, and the hospital actually pays them. Some people 224 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: are fans of this, some or not. I've heard both 225 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: sides of it over the years, because you don't, you know, 226 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: it's one thing, and plus people get used to having 227 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: their own doctor. 228 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: You know. 229 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: The best doctor I ever had was this guy that 230 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: was he's now retired Dave. He could treat just about anything, 231 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: and he was an old country doctor and the kind 232 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: that you know would give it to you straight. You 233 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: need to stop eating like you're eating, or we're going 234 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: to do this for you, or this is the advice. 235 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: Or my friend over here is a great specialist. I'm 236 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: going to say those those people don't exist so much 237 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: as they used to, I don't think, in my opinion, 238 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: but she would have been followed probably by I hope, 239 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: by an intercarnologist, who an intercarnologist is an individual, and 240 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: she would have had to have had one on the 241 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: outside that's following her specifically for the treatment of her 242 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: type one diabetes. 243 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: But I know this. 244 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: You're talking about a woman, Jesse Murray Peterson, who had 245 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: a great relationship we believe, with her mother, a great 246 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: relationship with her sisters, and all of a sudden she 247 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: just walks away from it all a life that she 248 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: had built, a life that she had struggled to form 249 00:15:41,680 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: in spite of type one diabetes. Let's you know my 250 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: thought about this, Dave. You know, after you know, doing 251 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: these this reading about this case is so bizarre. Again, 252 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: this is one of these cases that didn't really you know, 253 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: it didn't hop up on my radar. It just kind 254 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: of appeared. I think it was actually where I saw 255 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: it was actually a People of All Things People magazine article. 256 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: They still call themselves a magazine. I'm not sure, but. 257 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 3: I will tell you I've noted it when we when 258 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: I've seen information I've noted people magazine, and I'm like, 259 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 3: I don't think it's right, but yeah, yeah, but you 260 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 3: know why we saw this, It's the same reason we 261 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 3: saw the one about the Satanist ear eater. A lawsuit 262 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: was filed. 263 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: A lawsuit has been filed in this case as well. 264 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: I think that you know, there are a. 265 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,119 Speaker 2: Lot of frivolous lawsuits out there, Buddy, this ain't frivolous. 266 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: This is this is something that yeah, I think that 267 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: this is certainly justified. But you know, she's this is 268 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: taking place in uh In, California, up in Carmichael, California, 269 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: and kind of set in the stage here. Jesse had 270 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: previously been a prosecutor in Placer County, California. Now this 271 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: is far northern California. I've never been able to really 272 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: understand how, you know, Californians divide the state up. You know, 273 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: they're very sectional. But this is near the Nevada border, 274 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: or Placer County is near the Nevada border where she 275 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: was a prosecutor. Mountainous terrain, probably very very beautiful high 276 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: desert maybe in some of those locations up there, But 277 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: to that point she had had all she could stand. 278 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: She had been admitted back on April the sixth, twenty three, 279 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: and I think that it was like at two thirty 280 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: in the afternoon on the eighth, she says, you know, 281 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to call Mama and have her come pick 282 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: me up. I've had all that I can stand. 283 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 3: At the point, you pointed out something, Joe about her 284 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 3: being diagnosed with type one diabetes as a ten year old, 285 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 3: and we're talking about somebody who has lived with diabetes 286 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: for twenty one years and has been hospitalized for diabetic 287 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 3: events in the past. So she has a much better 288 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 3: understanding of her body and what's working and what's not 289 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 3: than I would have, I think. And she calls her 290 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 3: mom at two thirty. Mom arrives two hours later, and 291 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 3: I need to pay attention to this. At four twenty 292 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 3: seven pm, Jesse Peterson was pronounced dead at the hospital. 293 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 3: Now her mother is arriving to take her home. Jesse 294 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: has called her at two thirty, Come get me mom 295 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 3: out of here. When she arrives, Jesse's mother is told 296 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 3: she signed herself out and left against medical advice Ama, 297 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 3: as you mentioned. But at four twenty seven pm she 298 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: had been pronounced dead. 299 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: So gim me just hang on, hang on one second, 300 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: just so I can get this right in my mind. 301 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck. 302 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: Gim me. 303 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: Can you give me the time frame here again from 304 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: are we talking literally two hours from the moment? Is 305 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: it roughly two hours from the moment she called mama 306 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: And then you're saying that she's pronounced dead at this 307 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: point in tom and Mama shows up and she's being 308 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: told Ama. 309 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 3: Right, that's exactly what happened. I know it sounds messed up, 310 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 3: but that is exactly what happened. Okay, two thirty phone call, 311 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 3: come get me, Mom gets herself together, you know, and 312 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: comes to get her at the hospital. She arrives sometime 313 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 3: around after four point thirty in the afternoon. We don't 314 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 3: know exactly what time she arrived at the hospital. We 315 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 3: do know it was about approximately two hours after the 316 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: phone call, and we know that Jesse was already dead 317 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 3: according to the hospital. 318 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me tell you something real quick about about 319 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: the set of circumstances. 320 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: This is not like. 321 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: You've got somebody that has got say, for instance, Lord 322 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: bless them, but a terminal illness where everybody's gathered around 323 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,479 Speaker 1: their deathbed, as it were, and you know, folks are 324 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: saying their goodbyes and all those sorts of things that 325 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: come along with those unfortunate circumstances where you know, we 326 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: lose loved ones. They were talking about a woman who 327 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: is verbal. Okay, it's not like she's on ICU with 328 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: you know, feeding to or she's on event you know 329 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: where she can't. We're talking about someone that has just 330 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: called her mother. Dave, Can I tell you what's going 331 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: to happen with somebody like her? 332 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: Because I can't figure it out, Joe, it's hard. 333 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: Let me, well, let me just kind of let me 334 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: kind of lay out the space and time, okay, because 335 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: this is something that would be so so documented to 336 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: the nth degree traditionally, because they would have had to 337 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: what's referred to as running a code on her. Now, 338 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: I know that people have seen movies and these sorts 339 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: of things where you know you'll have like traditionally, the old, 340 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: the old way of doing things was when you're in 341 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: the hospital. If you ever heard the term code blue. 342 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 2: And this is. 343 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: I don't know that it's worldwide, it was certainly nationwide. 344 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: You know when you heard code blue. 345 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 2: Anybody that was. 346 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: That was certified in advanced life support, which is a 347 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: course that you have to go through. Doctors go through it, 348 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: nurses go through it, everybody that is part of a 349 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: team to try to keep somebody alive. And this is 350 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: advanced resuscitation essentially, is what they're We're going far beyond 351 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: here just doing chess compressions, Okay, we're talking about pushing 352 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: drugs and you know, using the paddles and doing all 353 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: this sort of thing. When that call goes out, however 354 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: it's coded at the hospital, you would have a flurry 355 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: of activity where these people are rushing to this location 356 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: and depend upon where she is, there would be a 357 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: crash cart. And the reason I'm telling you this is 358 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: that this thing is so documented. These events are so 359 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: very documented because there are doctor's notes, nurses notes. If 360 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: they've got respiratory team there, their notes are there. And 361 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: then you've got somebody that is generally it's going to 362 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: be a nurse that's responsible for that crash cart. And 363 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: the crash cart is locked down and so it's got 364 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: certain drugs in it that have to be administered and 365 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: then it has to be replenished because you don't know 366 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: when the next the next code is going to be, 367 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: so all You've got all of this documentation that's taking place, 368 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: and Mama shows up within a two hour window and 369 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: she doesn't. They're saying she's left Ama. This is not 370 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: like some patient with dementia or something that's just wandered 371 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: off the campus of the hospital. We're talking about a 372 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: young woman who had had a conversation that requested her 373 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,239 Speaker 1: mother to come and pick her up, and then all 374 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: of a sudden, she vanishes into thin air. She's no 375 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: longer there. 376 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 2: I gotta tell. 377 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: You, you know, I'm not trying to bury the lead here, 378 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: but I got to tell you if just say, for instance, 379 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: someone in a similar case, we're so inclined. 380 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 2: To file a lawsuit about this. 381 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: There is so much documentation that is going to back 382 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: up the activities of those individuals that were involved in this, 383 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: because it's almost like it's almost if you've ever been 384 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: to a play. Okay, like just think of the most 385 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: meticulously planned play that you've ever sat in that and 386 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 1: you're thinking, how in the world they do that. This 387 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: is like everyone on these teams knows their job, and 388 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: they have specific marks they have to hit at specific 389 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: times in order to facilitate the most important thing in 390 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: and that's preservation of life. And it is so meticulously documented, David. 391 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: That's why it baffles me that anyone would put forth 392 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: the idea that, yeah, she's she's AMA. She walked out 393 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: of the hospital. You know, I don't know she got 394 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: in a cab or called an uber or whatever the 395 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: case might be, a horse drawne carriage. I have no idea, 396 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: but she's AMA. She signed herself out, she's gone. Really, 397 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, you're the mom. You're thinking really, And I just. 398 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 3: Talked to her two hours ago. She told me to 399 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 3: come and get her. That's why I'm here. Now you're 400 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 3: saying she left. 401 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 2: It makes no sense. 402 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 3: No, it boggles the mind, Joe. 403 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: But here's can I throw in one more thing here, 404 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: because if we're assuming that they're not using I'm assuming 405 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: not you. I don't want to throw you into the 406 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: same kettle of fish with me, but I'm assuming that 407 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: talk about documentation, these phone calls that were made were 408 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: probably done over cellular devices. Those are markers in time, 409 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: you know, you know, when when this all comes down, 410 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, because this is a lawsuit, they're going to 411 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: pull those records and they're going to say, you know, ma'am, 412 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: we understand that you called your daughter at approximately this time. 413 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: We've pulled these records. By the way, here can you 414 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: show us approximately you know when you spoke with your 415 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: daughter and boom there is it's a digital marker. And 416 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: who by the way, if you pull the records for 417 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: Jesse's phone, it's going to show that boom, she answered 418 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: the phone call, or that Jesse called her. Rather, I've 419 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: got this backwards. Jesse calls her, come and get me, mama, 420 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: And you've got these two people that are communicating that 421 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: seem to line up. You take just the digital data 422 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: alone and marry that up with the code information I 423 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: was referring to where she goes into cardiac arrest, because 424 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: that's what would have happened. I don't think they just 425 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: merely found her dead in the hallway, you know, and 426 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: didn't attempt to do anything. Whether they would have attempted 427 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: to resuscitate her, there would have been a whole team involved. 428 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. When it comes down to 429 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: a lawsuit, Dave, every single person that was involved in 430 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 1: this case will receive a subpoena. They will go into 431 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 1: a courtroom and they will be directly questioned by the 432 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: attorney that's handling this case for the family. I don't 433 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: know what their defense is going to be, but I 434 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: got to tell you I think they're going to have 435 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: quite the uphilt out of here. So your child, and 436 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: trust me, there's still a child thirty one years old. 437 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: You're a mama. This is somebody that you love. You're invested, 438 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: all right, you love them, and particularly you've been on 439 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: this journey with them of type one diabetes. You understand. Okay, 440 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: you show up and your daughter, who's you know, by 441 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: all indications, is in her right mind when she contacts you, 442 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: she's vanished. David, I got to ask you a question 443 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: as as a daddy. Let me let me throw this 444 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: out to you. Your child calls you and says, come 445 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: and pick me up at the hospital. 446 00:28:59,440 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 3: Brother? 447 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: What and they're not there? 448 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: And you know that they've got a critical medical issue 449 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: that you know needs to be tended to. They've also 450 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,239 Speaker 1: previously got a foot injury. What are you gonna do? 451 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: I got to ask you, what you know, knee jerk 452 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: reaction here? You know, kind of what what would be 453 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: your your initial response here? 454 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 3: The same as you I'm going to start looking. And 455 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 3: I thought about this because mom shows up to pick 456 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 3: her up. She's fully expecting her probably to be sitting 457 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 3: in the lobby area ready to go, or out front. 458 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 3: I mean, she's not expecting to go to the room 459 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 3: and find her laying in bed, not ready to go, 460 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 3: because she said I'm ready to go, come get me. 461 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 3: So when when mom shows up and she is told 462 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 3: she's not here, she laughed, She checked herself out against 463 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 3: medical advice and left. Now the knee jerk is going, 464 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: I believe is the same for all of us. I'm 465 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 3: going to stop messing with the hospital. I'm going to 466 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 3: believe that what they're telling me is the truth, and 467 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 3: I I'm going to react accordingly. My first thought, I'm 468 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 3: looking around the parking lot. Yep, I'm going to look. 469 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: Is there a way she would have started walking? You know, 470 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 3: why did she not wait for me to get here? 471 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 3: She knew I was coming. It's only been a couple 472 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 3: hours since we talked. How far could she have gotten 473 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: what transpired that? I don't know. But you're going to 474 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 3: believe that the hospital is being truthful. So immediately you're 475 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 3: not going to start grilling them and let me see 476 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 3: your charts, let me see you know, you're not gonna 477 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 3: do that yet. You're going to do that later on, 478 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 3: but right now you're looking, You're calling family. Hey man, 479 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 3: she checked herself out and I can't find her. So 480 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 3: it's going to start like that. You're you're really going 481 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 3: to think, I'm going to find her out here somewhere, 482 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 3: she's just mad. I mean, those are the basic things 483 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 3: I'm thinking as a parent, and then it's going to 484 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 3: go from that. 485 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you a question real quick. Have 486 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: you ever left a hospital mad? 487 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been in a position where I don't care 488 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: if I had to drag myself out of my bloody stumps. Yeah, 489 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm out of place. But yeah, yeah, I mean, and yeah, 490 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: that's that's certainly plausible. 491 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: You've had a numans. 492 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's what I'm thinking as a parent. You know. Now, 493 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 3: the other part of this is what we don't know. 494 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 3: We know that the relationship between mother and daughter is 495 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 3: very strong here because you mentioned this, and it's very important. 496 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 3: For twenty one years, mom and daughter have been bonded 497 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 3: together over type one diabetes. This is not something you 498 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 3: can ignore or take a break from. You don't get 499 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 3: a vacation from this medical malady. You actually have this 500 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 3: every day from the time you wake up till the 501 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 3: time you go to sleep and during your sleeping hours. 502 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 3: As a parent, we are concerned about our child. No 503 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 3: matter how old they get, no matter how accomplished they become, 504 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,959 Speaker 3: they still have this underlying medical issue that requires constant attention. 505 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 3: So she knows all these things, that relationship is, that 506 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 3: medical drama, that is an everyday thing. So Mom's concerned 507 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 3: what happened and where is she? So you're not going 508 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 3: to go into the hospital files yet because you're going 509 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 3: to be looking for her right away and after you 510 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 3: don't immediately find it. This is just me. You got 511 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 3: a couple hours tied up. Let's check all the basic 512 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 3: places where we think she would go. Let's call all 513 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 3: the friends we can think of that she would reach 514 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 3: out to. But then there's going to be nobody has 515 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 3: heard from her a senior since I talked to her 516 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 3: two hours before I showed up to pick her up. 517 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 3: And so now you go back to the hospital, Well, 518 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 3: probably report her to the police missing. They get brought 519 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 3: in fairly early on, and because of the medical issue, 520 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 3: we need help finding her. And it's only going to 521 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 3: be after that that you go back to the hospital 522 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 3: and say, okay, now you're going to show me the 523 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 3: charts and reports of everything you described a few minutes ago, 524 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 3: and that's where you're going to actually start getting into 525 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 3: a full accounting of a minute my minute timeline to 526 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 3: determine where she is. And again from the hospital standpoint, Joe, 527 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 3: she left. We don't know. It's like a third grader 528 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 3: giving mom and dad an answer as to why they 529 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 3: fail the test. 530 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: Let me tell you where this actually breaks down in 531 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: kind of the structure of the hierarchical structure within the hospital. 532 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: It's not going to be it could be the physician 533 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: that reaches out that is the attending the hospitalist. But 534 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,959 Speaker 1: if this is a hospitalist, keep in mind, this individual 535 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: moves on to the next case, okay, And that's not 536 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: an excuse, that's just the reality. You know, they move 537 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: on down the line. You know where this really breaks 538 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: down is a social worker, because you've got there's a 539 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: whole group of people within the hospital that are there 540 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: for the care of families and also making arrangements for 541 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: individuals that have difficulties in their lives or just you know, 542 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: post hospital treatment. You know, they make everybody aware and 543 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: so in my experience, the social worker that works in 544 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: the hospital, and they are assigned, they're employed by the hospital. 545 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: They're the ones that are actually task with contacting the 546 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: family and making sure that the family understands everything. Well, 547 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: we're still we're at a point right now. 548 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 2: Dave, where she's dead, Jesse's. 549 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: Dead, all right, this is now you're at a point 550 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 1: who who did not check these boxes? Relative to did 551 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: did some people just assume that someone else was going 552 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: to do this? You know, after you have this this flourish, this, 553 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: you know, this event with a code, they're going back 554 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: to restocking the you know, the the crash cart. They're 555 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,439 Speaker 1: wrapping the body and what's referred to as a morg pack, 556 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: which prepa he or somebody to go to the morgue. 557 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 3: Okay, I was gonna say, you got to tell me 558 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 3: what that is because I don't know. But just fyi, Joe, 559 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 3: let's just let's cut to the meat of this. Yeah, 560 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 3: the hospital tells the family she left on her own, 561 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 3: but she didn't ever leave. She's dead at the hospital 562 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 3: and they start a cover up fairly early on. I'm 563 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 3: an alleged cover up maybe mainly Yeah, I want to 564 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 3: be clear that the family for a year is looking 565 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 3: for jesse Marie Peterson, thirty one year old Type one 566 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 3: diabetic lawyer. Okay, they're looking for her everywhere for a year. 567 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 3: Can you imagine that, Joe. We cover missing persons stories 568 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 3: a lot with Nancy Grace, and usually it ends up 569 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 3: really bad where we eventually find the body. In this case, 570 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 3: they never find her body anywhere. They're looking everywhere. It 571 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 3: is a year and four days later that the family 572 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 3: gets a call from a detective. Remember I told you 573 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 3: they did go to the police, and they did report 574 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 3: her missing, and the local police did their job at 575 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 3: trying to find a missing adult with a medical issue. 576 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 3: A year and four days after mom shows up to 577 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 3: pick her daughter up at the hospital, the detective calls 578 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 3: and says, hey, we found her. She's dead and the 579 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 3: hospital knew. Now, Joe, I want you to tell me 580 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 3: what happened to the body of jesse Marie Peterson. 581 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: At this point, when she has been declared dead, Dave, 582 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: they would have prepared her body to take her to 583 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: their more facility in this hospital. And this hospital is 584 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: actually Mercy San Juan Hospital, and it's in Sacramento County, California. 585 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: And that's who the police eventually had gotten involved in 586 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: this case to try to try to determine what happened 587 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: to her, because you know, they're working this thing as 588 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: a missing person's case. After they have gone through this 589 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: detective has gone through interviewing people, probably requesting medical records, 590 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:24,399 Speaker 1: trying to understand the timeline, they have this kind of epiphany. 591 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 1: I can only imagine where they're saying. It's very dramatic 592 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 1: when you think about it. She never left the hospital, 593 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: so kind of narrows it down as far as the 594 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: search goes. You've had mom, you've had friends, you've had 595 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: extended family that have been trying. They're exhausting every possibility 596 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: here to try to find her. For mind, you, I 597 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 1: have to restate what you've stated for over a year, Dave, 598 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: for over a year, and all the while she had 599 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: never left the hospital. She had not just simply gone 600 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: into And here's the really, here's the real rub with this. 601 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,240 Speaker 1: They didn't just take her. 602 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 2: To the MORK. 603 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: They took her to a location within the hospital that 604 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: is a long term cult storage unit. And that's going 605 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: to be different than like if Grandma dies up on 606 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: ICU and you're waiting for the funeral home to come 607 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 1: and pick the body up and remove. Okay, when you 608 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: place a body into a storage you know, a cult 609 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 1: storage unit within the hospital you're talking about, you have 610 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: made a determination. This is an active choice that you're making. 611 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 2: Here. 612 00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: You're saying, well, we've one of two things. We either 613 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 1: our perception is she doesn't have family, and we don't 614 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,800 Speaker 1: know what to do with the body. Which at that 615 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: point in time, the corner should have been notified and 616 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: have stepped in because they would have brought all of 617 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: their resources to bear and I can imagine Sacramento County 618 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office investigator had reached out to the corner as well, 619 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: was this case ever reported to you? That would have 620 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: been one of the first steps. 621 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 2: And then. 622 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: They have to make a decision about what they're going 623 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: to do with her body. So, after they've prepared her 624 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: body in a morg pack, which sometimes the variable it's 625 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: plastic sheeting a body is sometimes a body will actually 626 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: look like a mummy wrapped in plastic where the feet 627 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 1: are tied off with external strings, the hands are tied inside. 628 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: The inside the packaging, there's a gauze that goes around 629 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: the head to hold the jaw in place all of 630 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: these sorts of things, and sometimes they'll just place them 631 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: into a body bag and then they're going to take 632 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: them to this storage unit. Which for me, if you're 633 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: placing a body into cold storage, what you're saying is 634 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: all hope is lost. We don't know where the family is, 635 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: this individual is indigent or two we got to try 636 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: to figure this out because we fail to contact the 637 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: next ken or let mama know within two hours of 638 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: her having called and had contact with her, and it 639 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: was just left just kind of pushed off into the 640 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: ether there where you're thinking, well, no one's going to 641 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 1: miss her, no one has shown back up to claim her. 642 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: But all the while, you know Mama's out there looking 643 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,879 Speaker 1: for her now along with the police and Dave. What 644 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: this cold storage does to human remains. We many people 645 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: have this perception that if you. 646 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:04,879 Speaker 2: That if you. 647 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,760 Speaker 1: Take a body and you place the body into a cooler, okay, 648 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: that the body goes into this kind of stasis where 649 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: nothing changes with the body. Nothing could be further from 650 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: the truth. 651 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 2: Okay. 652 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 3: That messes with me, that that really does, because I 653 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 3: assumed that Joe, I really did think that if you 654 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 3: pass away and you're put in something that will keep 655 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 3: you chill. You know that that everything stays the same, 656 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 3: and that they can look at you two years later 657 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 3: and figure out what happened. I didn't I thought that 658 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 3: would happen, just because you know, I just thought that. 659 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 3: I don't know why I'm an idiot, But no, what 660 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 3: actually happened? 661 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,879 Speaker 1: I mean, why would you know that? I mean, most 662 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,520 Speaker 1: people don't know. I'm glad that most people don't know it. 663 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: But you know, I've you. 664 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 3: Know, you're saying worse than that. It's the opposite of that. 665 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 2: Well it is. And here's one of the big things. Uh, 666 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 2: with cold storage of bodies. 667 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: What happens, As we all know, there's limited humidity. Okay, 668 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: so the body is not retaining any kind of moisture 669 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:15,240 Speaker 1: at this point. 670 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 2: So the body. 671 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: Begins to dry out. Essentially, now the body is cold, 672 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: all right, it's cold storage. You're not going to have 673 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: the profound, decompositional odor that you would if say, someone 674 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: was left out, a body was left out and was 675 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:43,439 Speaker 1: not cold stored, and it knocks that down. However, there's 676 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 1: a price to be paid. 677 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 2: The body will be. 678 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: Almost it will have a parchment like appearance. You'll see 679 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: like the fingertips that we've talked about this with the mummification, 680 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: remember well, it's kind of the same principle in the 681 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 1: sense that the body, because of the lack of humidity 682 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 1: in this cold, cold environment, which most cold storage is 683 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: colder than a standard more crypt because you don't you 684 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: don't want to put a body. 685 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 2: You don't want to put a body. 686 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: In cold storage unless they're going to be there for 687 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: a protracted period of time. Remember, most of the dead 688 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: that we deal with are fresh dead, and they're going 689 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: to be released directly, you know, to a funeral home. 690 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,720 Speaker 1: And even after we're done with autopsies and things like that, 691 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: the funeral home can still work with the body, you know, 692 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: to get the body presentable for viewing and all that 693 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: goes along with that. But with cold storage, one of 694 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: the things that you'll see that's so profound the eyes. Actually, 695 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 1: you know, you hear about people having sunken eyes. This 696 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,959 Speaker 1: is the absolute truth that the eyes do sink back 697 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: into the head. And that's because there's a lack of 698 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: moisture in the body. So just that in and of it, 699 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,360 Speaker 1: in and of itself, that presentation, you would have a 700 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: very difficult time trying to kind of, you know, resurrect 701 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,360 Speaker 1: any kind of appropriate appearance for the body, just based 702 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: on the eyes alone. I've seen this over and over 703 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: again throughout my career with bodies that have been in 704 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:27,240 Speaker 1: long term storage. Secondly, the color of the skin changes. 705 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: You will actually have bodies that and these temperatures can 706 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: get very very cold, they're sub freezing. The bodies will 707 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: actually develop a red hue to them that's indicative of 708 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,280 Speaker 1: like freezer burn Like you've heard the term freezer burned. 709 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: You know that you have. There's not a dime's worth 710 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: of difference between something that you would put into a 711 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: deep freeze and deep freezing a human remain. So when 712 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: in fact her body is finally found and located in 713 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: the hospital, which now, Dave, we're talking, correct me if 714 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, in excess of three hundred and sixty. 715 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 3: Five days, we're talking sixty nine. 716 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,280 Speaker 1: Three hundred and sixty nine days since she was last 717 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,879 Speaker 1: known alive, she will have gone a long way down 718 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,919 Speaker 1: the path of change. And when they found her, Dave, 719 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: when they finally located her body in this hospital, her 720 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: remains are not viewable. So let's think about what this 721 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: mama has been through. First off, she's been through. My 722 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: daughter calls me because she no longer wants to be here. 723 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: She shows up, she's told that your daughter's not here. 724 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: She left Ama against medical advice. Now she's in a fever, 725 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,759 Speaker 1: trying to find her daughter, flipping over every rock that 726 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,359 Speaker 1: she possibly can out there. 727 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 2: It's a poor woman. 728 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 1: Living every night thinking, oh, my lord, has she been kidnapped? 729 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,240 Speaker 1: Has she been killed? Has is she wandering the streets? 730 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,160 Speaker 1: She doesn't have her medication because again I bring us 731 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: back to Jesse being ten years old and Mama having 732 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,320 Speaker 1: to watch over and take care of all of these needs. 733 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: She's been wringing her hands for a year. Oh and 734 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 1: then by the by, she gets the call from the 735 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: Sacramento Sheriff's office from a detective that tells her we 736 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: found your daughter. I wonder, just for a moment, maybe 737 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:47,840 Speaker 1: there was a spark of hope, just in that little 738 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:56,280 Speaker 1: second perhaps where Mama thought, maybe there's still a chance. 739 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: She didn't realize that when the have told her that. 740 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 1: To add insult to injury, she discovers that her daughter's 741 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: body is so badly decomposed that they couldn't view her. 742 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,320 Speaker 1: They couldn't view her they couldn't grieve her, They couldn't 743 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:35,399 Speaker 1: mourn her. She had been placed into that cult storage unit. 744 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,839 Speaker 1: I'd like to know what else was in that cult 745 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 1: storage unit. I'd like to know was she stored with 746 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:50,239 Speaker 1: other things? Whereas there more than just Jesse's mortal remains 747 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:58,879 Speaker 1: contained within there is under the sun. There is no explanation, 748 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 1: there is no excuse use that can be made for 749 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: the decisions that were made. They say that broken hearts 750 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: never mend. This is sole crushing, absolutely soul crushing, and 751 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,760 Speaker 1: like it or not, the people at the hospital, the administrators, 752 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,399 Speaker 1: the medical staff, the doctor that didn't sign the death 753 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 1: certificate for over a year, they're going to have stand 754 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:42,600 Speaker 1: and deliver because they will receive a subpoena. They will 755 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,920 Speaker 1: go to a courthouse and they will have to explain 756 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: themselves under oath. There will be more to come in 757 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,719 Speaker 1: this case, and I hope that we can follow up 758 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: on it until then, I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this 759 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 1: is body facts.