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Speaker 2: going to go with? In hour two of the program. Dylan,

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Speaker 2: by the way, my starting lineup, Fritzy's in the back

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Speaker 2: with Dylan, Marvin and pauliy upfront, yours truly and the

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Speaker 2: backroom guys a little bit of controversy. I walk in

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Speaker 2: today and apparently in the bullpen where the backroom guys sit,

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Speaker 2: and we got cubicles. Big German working all day yesterday,

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Speaker 2: we got new employees and we wanted to have more

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Speaker 2: space there. Took down a wall and everybody got kind

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Speaker 2: of maneuvered to different cubicles there, and some not happy,

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Speaker 2: including Big Day Ray, who is the producer of the

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Speaker 2: Gambling podcast, does a lot of different things, and he

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Speaker 2: was not pleased with where his cubicle was. So I

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Speaker 2: walk in at seven thirty in the morning and I'm

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Speaker 2: putting out fires and all of a sudden, waiting for

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Speaker 2: the big German to come in, I said, maybe we

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Speaker 2: have a draft. Maybe there's a lottery where you get

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Speaker 2: to pick your cubicle. But there's some people who are

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Speaker 2: feeling pretty low, and a couple of people like Rob

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Speaker 2: the Knicks fan, This might be as happy as he's

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Speaker 2: It might even be happier than when the Knicks won

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Speaker 2: the title because he got raised cubicle and it might

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Speaker 2: be the best one in the bullpen. There so little

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Speaker 2: sensitivity there. We have problems, just like you have problems here.

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Speaker 2: At Some of the back room guys not pleased with

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Speaker 2: their position in the room with their cubicles. Yes, Pauline, were.

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Speaker 3: They assigned cubicles? Did they have any no input?

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Speaker 2: There were pieces of tape on the cubicle that the

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Speaker 2: big German did before he left yesterday. Everybody kind of

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Speaker 2: came in and went, wait a minute, my cubicle is

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Speaker 2: over here. And there were a couple of people, Frosty,

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Speaker 2: most notably big Day Ray. And I said, Ray, I

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Speaker 2: think you found out kind of where you stand in

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Speaker 2: the building now where you are with your cubicle. You

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Speaker 2: got a middle cubicle. Oh no, yeah, he did even

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Speaker 2: get a.

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Speaker 3: Corner one, like the middle seat of a backseat of

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Speaker 3: a car.

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Speaker 2: He got middle in coach on a flight cross country.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it feels a little bit like promotion and relegation

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Speaker 3: going on back now, like almost like power rankings.

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Speaker 2: Well, I and once again I said to the big

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Speaker 2: Germany when he came in, I said, you better you

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Speaker 2: know address this. He goes, I don't need to. I

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Speaker 2: go all right, spoken like a true boss. Yeah, dilly, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean Ray went.

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Speaker 5: From like probably the most prime real estate, like this

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Speaker 5: is like Nantucket water, but like they're not making any

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Speaker 5: more of it to slot be in cubicle two point zero.

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Speaker 5: So I understand that he might be a little salty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he is, And I told him, suck it up,

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Speaker 2: let's go. We got a show to do. Every day

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Speaker 2: is a super Bowl, Yeah, poling.

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Speaker 3: Is it fair to say the worst desk back there

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Speaker 3: is right next to the bathroom, just like on an airplane.

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Speaker 2: No, even though Ray said that that Rob is right

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Speaker 2: across from the bathroom, and he said, good luck when

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Speaker 2: Fritzy goes in there, Rob.

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Speaker 6: I've been banned from that bathroom. I haven't used that

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Speaker 6: in a long time. Wait, don't even let me do

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Speaker 2: Wait, so the bullpen guy, the backroom guy, said you

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Speaker 6: So someone said something to the big german where he

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Speaker 6: gave me a little chat a long time ago, saying

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Speaker 6: if you could, because it's so on top of where

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Speaker 5: Yes, still, Yeah, there was always a I guess an

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Speaker 4: Only one cod guys there.

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Speaker 5: Todd had flouted that rule on numerous occasions, to the

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Speaker 5: point where I think he received a lifetime Dad.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there were a couple of times where the other

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Speaker 6: back then, and just I can't believe that there's three

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Speaker 6: you know what, when you can't hold it, you can't

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Speaker 2: How can I retire from this? I mean, come on,

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Speaker 2: this is life, and once again, we have issues, just

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Speaker 2: like you may have issues in your office. The cubicle.

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Speaker 2: I had a cubicle for the first ten years of

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Speaker 2: my eighteen year career at ESPN, and I remember management

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Speaker 2: they came to me one day, Oh, come on in now.

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Speaker 2: Whenever that happened, I was always nervous, Hey, come on in,

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Speaker 2: got something to tell you. I'm like, oh god, what

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Speaker 2: did I do? Now? We're going to give Chris Berman

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Speaker 2: and Bobb Lee offices. So I go, why don't you

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Speaker 2: name buildings after them, like they built this place. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but we just wanted you to know that we were

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Speaker 2: giving them offices. I said, it's embarrassing they haven't had

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Speaker 2: and I said, hey, this isn't about me getting an office,

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Speaker 2: but it's a bigger picture here. Why doesn't talent They

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Speaker 2: It's a fire code issue? And so I go, okay,

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Speaker 2: because I'll do that. I'm an investigative reporter. Don't make

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Speaker 2: me do that. And they said, I said, but you

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Speaker 2: But they're accordating producer. I said, are they not susceptible

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Speaker 2: hang them, and they said it's precedent setting, and I go, okay,

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Speaker 2: my suits on? Everything was precedent setting? Yes, tod wasn't

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Speaker 2: I told I stole it. I mean, I'd been there

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Speaker 2: Jay Jackson probably would have given it to me. The

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Speaker 2: thing is is I just took it one day and

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Speaker 2: he came in and I hear him. He is MF

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Speaker 2: and he is like, somebody took my monitor. And I

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Speaker 2: walk out and I go, what happened? He goes, can

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Speaker 2: you believe somebody took my monitor? I go, unbelievable. And

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Speaker 2: after a while I finally told him I took his monitor.

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Speaker 2: Press it in setting getting an office, Oberman and I

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Speaker 2: would write Sports Center and we would have cubicles, so

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Speaker 2: he'd be right over on the other side of the cubicle.

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Speaker 2: Here we are part of a show that's making two

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars a year. We can't give you an office.

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Speaker 2: But when they said they were giving Chris, I said,

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Speaker 2: you should be naming buildings after Bob Lee, Chris and

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Speaker 2: Tom Mees. You should name buildings after them. Put a

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Speaker 2: statue for all I care, but give them offices. And

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Speaker 2: they had been there a lot longer than I had.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Pauling, I remember when Fritzy and I started working

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Speaker 3: with you. We went up to your office and we

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Speaker 3: expected this, you know, Emmy's and all this stuff. There

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Speaker 3: was a pile of ties three feet high. There's old

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Speaker 3: jerseys and cool stuff, but the things you would see.

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Speaker 3: Fritzie and I were worked right next to Mike Golick,

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Speaker 3: the older Mike Colick. He would sleep on the carpet

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Speaker 3: and use the garbage can as a headrest to get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a sleeping bag at the I slept

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Speaker 2: in my office and that was usually from four to

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Speaker 2: Sports Center. It's like, I mean, I didn't want to

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Speaker 2: had a sleeping bag all the good old days.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Todd, you look like a duke student waiting to

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Speaker 6: try to get tickets to the big North Carolina again.

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Speaker 4: Now I was.

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Speaker 2: I would have been great in Shrzyzewskiville. I would have

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Speaker 2: been out there with the students. UH camps are open

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Speaker 2: for business. Today. Everybody is open for business today. Story

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Speaker 2: yesterday with Mike Lombardi. He is kind of the GM

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Speaker 2: at North Carolina Football. At least he's not now he's

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Speaker 2: been put on leave. But Belichick took over North Carolina,

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Speaker 2: and I think everybody thought, Okay, there will be stability

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Speaker 2: because Belichick has stability all those years, you know, has

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Speaker 2: this ability to tune out distractions. Last season, I think

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Speaker 2: they scored on their first drive. You had Michael Jordan there,

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Speaker 2: went downhill from there. But the roster completely reshaped. There's

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Speaker 2: sixty or so transfer portal additions. Bobby Petrino, you remember Bobby,

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Speaker 2: a former coach college and the NFL. He's now taking

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Speaker 2: over the offense. Belichick's right hand man, Micha Lombardi placed

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Speaker 2: on administrative leave. So when you look at Belichick the resume,

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Speaker 2: you know, unapproachable. But here we are managing teenagers like

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Speaker 2: you have to engage. Now. When he was with the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: he didn't have to engage with anybody. He didn't have

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Speaker 2: to talk to parents yet have talked to anybody. He'd

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Speaker 2: be like, Gronk, what are you doing? Tom? Why'd you

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Speaker 2: throw the interception? Now he's got to deal with kids,

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Speaker 2: So he's managing teenagers, navigating nil, rebuilding a roster every

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Speaker 2: off season. Uh. You know that jump from the NFL

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Speaker 2: the over under North Carolina wins this year, Todd. I'll

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Speaker 2: start with you, North Carolina over underwin wins this year.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna say five and a half, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Dylan, I'm gonna copy Todd Marvin six and a half.

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Speaker 3: Paul, I'm also going five and a half.

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Speaker 2: Four and a half. That won't get it done. I

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Speaker 2: thought he would have two years there. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: don't you know if he comes back to the NFL

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Speaker 2: or he coaches if it doesn't matter to me. My

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Speaker 2: job is just to assess what I think is going

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Speaker 2: to happen. But you go four and a half wins bikes, yeah, paulin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, last year they did improve, but they had like

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Speaker 3: quality losses. They lost by seven to Duke or you know,

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Speaker 3: like Stanford they beat by five, they beat Syracuse. I

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Speaker 3: think they went over time with Virginia when Virginia was

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Speaker 3: ranked Yeah, so it wasn't an embarrassment. It was just

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Speaker 2: The sixth part thirty for thirty podcasts, The Betrayal of Show.

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Speaker 2: Hey o, Tani, we'll talk to the investigative reporter Tisha Thompson,

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Speaker 2: fort Wayne. Hi, Mike, what do you have for me?

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Speaker 2: Right, Cordal Patterson. Yes, Paulie, I think chritty. What have

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Speaker 2: The Betrayal of Show. Hey o, Toney, great to have

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Speaker 11: What the two men were saying to each other when

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Speaker 12: with Department of Homeland Security and agents with IRS reading

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Speaker 12: through all of these messages.

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Speaker 13: They also went through all of the bank records.

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Speaker 12: You'll learn that the Feds seized not just evidence from Epay,

435
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Speaker 12: but they also had seized evidence previously.

436
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Speaker 13: From the Bookie, and so they were able.

437
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Speaker 12: To combine the phones and the different things that they found,

438
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Speaker 12: bank records, particularly from the Bookie, and compare bank accounts,

439
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Speaker 12: and we really get into the details of that investigation

440
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Speaker 12: so people can hear what they found and why.

441
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Speaker 13: They came to the conclusions that they came to.

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Speaker 2: Episodes one and two, The Letter O and the Interview

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Speaker 2: Debut Today, followed by episodes every Tuesday and Thursday throughout August,

444
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Speaker 2: or at least the first couple of weeks of August.

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Speaker 2: Is there still doubt about Otani's side of this?

446
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Speaker 12: The federal investigators would tell you that they believe that

447
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Speaker 12: sho Hey Otani, based.

448
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Speaker 13: On the evidence, is an innocent victim.

449
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 12: And that Epei Misahara pleaded guilty, He turned over his phone,

450
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Speaker 12: he cooperated with several investigators.

451
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Speaker 13: He pleaded guilty, and.

452
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Speaker 12: In the podcast, we're going to show you that it's

453
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Speaker 12: more than just what he said, and.

454
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Speaker 13: It's more than just the bank account.

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Speaker 12: There's other evidence that the Fed's uncovered that led them

456
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Speaker 12: to believe that this was more complicated than a man

457
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 12: who had a terrible gambling addiction, which is how Epay's

458
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Speaker 12: attorneys presented it in court. You know, I obviously was

459
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Speaker 12: in court following all of this as it went along.

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Speaker 12: You know, Epay was presented as a man with a terrible,

461
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Speaker 12: terrible sports betting addiction, got forty million dollars into debt

462
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Speaker 12: with the the legal bookmaker.

463
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Speaker 13: But there's other evidence that.

464
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Speaker 12: The Fed's uncovered that showed that Epay was using show

465
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Speaker 12: Hayes money for things beyond the gambling. There's a very

466
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Speaker 12: interesting storyline about Epay's I don't know if upset is

467
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 12: the right word, but long lifelong love affair with baseball cards.

468
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Speaker 12: Baseball cards become very important in this story. In episode three,

469
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 12: we really explore something that I've always wanted to try

470
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Speaker 12: to learn more about, which is who.

471
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Speaker 13: Is Epay Dan, Who is Epay?

472
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Speaker 12: This is a man that stood next to reporters that

473
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 12: fans thought they knew for years, and he essentially was

474
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 12: the gatekeeper to Show Hey. You could not get information

475
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Speaker 12: about show Hey without Epay, whether you spoke English or Japanese.

476
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Speaker 12: The Japanese media, which of course covers Show.

477
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Speaker 13: Hey so at you know, they're there every day.

478
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Speaker 12: They're looking for news about show Hey every day. Because

479
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Speaker 12: he's such a big news item in Japan. They needed

480
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Speaker 12: to go through Epay. And when you start to talk

481
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Speaker 12: to folks, they didn't know he was married, They didn't

482
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Speaker 12: know anything about him. And we were able in the

483
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Speaker 12: podcast to this thirty for thirty podcast to explore.

484
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Speaker 13: This idea of who is Epay? Who is this man

485
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Speaker 13: that had so much access to Show Hey.

486
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Speaker 12: And ultimately was controlling who could get to Epay including

487
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 12: I'm sorry, who could get to Show Hey, including show

488
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 12: his own people? Where we really look at how much

489
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Speaker 12: communication show his team?

490
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Speaker 13: And when I say team, I'm talking about his.

491
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Speaker 12: Agent, his financial advisors, his bookkeeper, his accountant, all of

492
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 12: those people. How much how much communication did they really

493
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 12: have with Show Hey? And what kind of role did

494
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Speaker 12: Epay play when it came to show his money, and

495
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Speaker 12: it was very unusual, very different from what you and

496
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Speaker 12: I have experienced with other.

497
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Speaker 2: Athletes who exposed this whole story and epay, do you

498
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Speaker 2: mean who was my tip? No? No, like, well I'm

499
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: not telling you that.

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Speaker 9: Okay, So the authority okay.

501
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Speaker 2: But did he almost get away with this?

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Speaker 13: I would like to say, know.

503
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Speaker 12: I mean, I'm the reporter, right, I'm the one who

504
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 12: spent five months trying to get to the bottom of this.

505
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Speaker 13: Before I ever approached sho he Otani's people.

506
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Speaker 12: You know, the folks at the ESPN Investigative Unit work

507
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 12: really hard. I say to people, I'm not in the

508
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 12: business the spreading rumors. I'm in the business of gathering

509
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 12: sourced information. So you know, we gathered up documents, I

510
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 12: mean documents, you know, sources. This was a federal investigation.

511
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 12: It was a sealed federal investigation into the illegal bookmaker,

512
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 12: so even that information was secret at that point, you know,

513
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Speaker 12: that was not common knowledge.

514
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 13: So we had to crack that.

515
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 12: And we had to get documentation that proved that mat

516
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Speaker 12: Bore was an illegal bookmaker. And then we had to

517
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 12: get documentation that showed that show Hey, at least this

518
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Speaker 12: bank account had some kind of relationship with this illegal

519
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 12: bookmaking operation. So we were able to I was able

520
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 12: to and we talked about in episode one see some

521
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 12: of the wires, you know. So we really gathered up evidence,

522
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 12: hard evidence, but we also gathered up a lot of

523
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 12: sourced information. And part of the reason it took a

524
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Speaker 12: minute to get to the original article was because we

525
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 12: knew there was show hey oh Tiny's bank account involved,

526
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Speaker 12: and we were able to prove that.

527
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Speaker 13: But then I got some sourced information.

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Speaker 12: That said Epay might be involved. Okay, well what does

529
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 12: that mean, Dan Epay might be involved?

530
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Speaker 13: Does that mean?

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Speaker 12: And we do this incredible interview with the Illegal Bookmaker

532
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Speaker 12: in episode four.

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Speaker 13: Of the podcast. And if you bet on sports, or

534
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 13: you know some of that bets on sports, I really.

535
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Speaker 12: Recommend you listen to this podcast and you listen to

536
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 12: episode four and you listen to the Illegal Bookmaker talk

537
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 12: about how he hooks clients, how he keeps them in

538
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 12: his book, how he there's this delicate balance between making

539
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 12: as much money as you can off of your client,

540
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 12: but not letting them go bank because he wants you

541
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Speaker 12: to keep spending money with his book. I mean, it's

542
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 12: a fascinating inside, look into the bookmaking business and how

543
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Speaker 12: any illegal bookmaker thinks and how they do what they do.

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Speaker 13: So you know, we.

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Speaker 12: We looked at all of that before we ever went

546
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Speaker 12: to show Heyo Twani's folks and said, hey, we want

547
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Speaker 12: to understand what's.

548
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Speaker 13: Going on here. And I said, right from the get go,

549
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Speaker 13: I want to interview.

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Speaker 12: Show Heyo Tani and U I mean you can imagine

551
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Speaker 12: I would like to interview show Hey please right And

552
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Speaker 12: I by the way, I keep asking, I mean every

553
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 12: time I get on the phone with his people, I say,

554
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Speaker 12: I would like to interview show Heyo Tani. When are

555
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 12: we going to make that happen?

556
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Speaker 13: And in the beginning it was maybe we'll see, but

557
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 13: we'll give you someone else.

558
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Speaker 12: And that's how I end up interviewing you pay me

559
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Speaker 12: Sahara and that interview Dan I you know, I didn't

560
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Speaker 12: know how long that interview would go.

561
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Speaker 13: He Epai had a reputation.

562
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Speaker 12: And you know, my colleagues at ESPN, who cover the

563
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 12: Dodgers and the Angels every day, warned me, you know,

564
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 12: this is not a man who says much.

565
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 13: This is a man who.

566
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Speaker 12: Barely talks about his personal life. And when he says anything,

567
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 12: it's very short sentences. So I went in think thinking, well,

568
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Speaker 12: maybe I'll get a statement, maybe he'll you know, give

569
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 12: me a couple of sentences, and that's how it starts

570
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Speaker 12: in episode two.

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Speaker 13: You know, I I'm excited.

572
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Speaker 12: There's not a lot of opportunities for reporters to let

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Speaker 12: folks listen to an in depth interview like that. I mean,

574
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Speaker 12: it was a ninety minute interview, and we're not going

575
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Speaker 12: to make you sit through ninety minutes of it. But

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Speaker 12: the reason why it was so long is we really

577
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 12: get into nitty gritty details and Epey just kept talking

578
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 12: and he kept giving me information, and the interview I

579
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 12: think is fascinating.

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Speaker 13: There are you know.

581
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Speaker 12: As an investigative reporter's been doing this for two decades, I've.

582
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 13: Done interviews with people that I know are lying to me.

583
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 12: You you know, I don't do these interviews until I'm

584
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 12: really well sourced more often than not.

585
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 13: And in this case, I was very well sourced.

586
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 12: And Epay starts to tell me his story, and there

587
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 12: are moments in that interview in real time where I'm

588
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 12: I'm pretty skeptical.

589
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 13: I'm like, I'm not sure he's telling me the truth here.

590
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 13: But you know, as a reporter, you listen.

591
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 12: And you you asked the tough questions, and that's what

592
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 12: I tried to do, and the answers we got were fascinating.

593
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Speaker 13: But I will say it.

594
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Speaker 12: Is the first time in a two decade career where

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Speaker 12: less than sixteen hours later I was on.

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Speaker 13: The phone with him again and he told me.

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Speaker 12: That almost everything he had told me the night before

598
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Speaker 12: was a lie.

599
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 13: I said, Epai, did you lie to me? And he

600
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 13: says yes. And I said, did you lie to show hey?

601
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Speaker 12: And he says yes.

602
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Speaker 13: So we really take you through.

603
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Speaker 12: That whole bizarre twenty four hour period, both before.

604
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Speaker 13: And after that interview.

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Speaker 12: Dan, I've never I've never encountered anything like it in

606
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Speaker 12: my career. And you know, I'm glad folks can now

607
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 12: listen and hear what I was hearing, and know what

608
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 12: I knew when I knew it, and understand the context

609
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Speaker 12: and why we were asking the questions we were asking.

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Speaker 12: What we knew what we will later found out, and

611
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Speaker 12: why the FEDS immediately began to investigate Epay because he

612
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Speaker 12: was not a target so to speak, of the investigation.

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Speaker 13: Before we did that interview. Is my understanding from.

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Speaker 2: Sources, everything I've said to you today has been a

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Speaker 2: lie as well, Tisha.

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Speaker 13: Oh, Dan, don't tell me that. Don't tell me that.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations, thank you. I know these things are exhaustive, but

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Speaker 2: that's why you know you're an investigative reporter that you

619
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Speaker 2: do a deep dive on that and sometimes you're getting nuggs.

620
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: It's there. You go, wait a minute, where did this

621
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Speaker 2: come from? And then you follow it six Part thirty

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Speaker 2: for thirty podcast, The Betrayal of Show. Hey Tani, so

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Speaker 2: you have. The first two episodes are available today, the

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Speaker 2: letter oh and the interview. Those are the titles of

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Speaker 2: those two episodes. Good luck with this, Tisha, and thank you.

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Speaker 12: Very much, thank you, thank you Dan for having me

627
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Speaker 12: and love your show.

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Speaker 13: So thanks for doing this.

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Speaker 2: That's Tishia Thompson looked at her resume. She is decorated.

630
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: Been doing this a long time. But you know what,

631
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: there are certain investigative reporters Andrew Kramer, Jeremy Shapp, Bob

632
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 2: Lee like certain guys, certain people that I work with,

633
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Speaker 2: and it is painstakingly it's I don't even know how

634
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: to describe it other than when we were investigating Pete

635
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: Rose for gambling, and it's like you're asking questions, you're

636
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: interviewing people, you don't even know where the interview will go,

637
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: if they're going to tell you something on the record,

638
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: off the record, all of those things. But when you

639
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: do this and you're spending months just leading up to

640
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: maybe getting a story here, breaking a story here, I

641
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: mean I still have questions. I still have questions that

642
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: baseball wrapped it up too soon for me Otani and Nope,

643
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: like it'd be nice to be rich enough that you

644
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: don't know somebody is siphoning off that kind of money

645
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: from you. Language barrier played a role in this as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, wow, just wild. But yeah, the work that

647
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Speaker 2: you do putting in we get to see the end result.

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00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: You don't get to you know, she's telling you about

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00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: those months and months leading up to it. All right,

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Speaker 2: take a break. The two episodes available wherever you get

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Speaker 2: you have for me?

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Speaker 13: Dan?

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Speaker 14: Thanks for calling me back first, great conversation with Tisha

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Speaker 14: Thompson and all the best of the best booker in

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Speaker 14: the business for getting him back on the phone.

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Speaker 2: But I was calling by the.

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Speaker 14: Question you asked last hour. I have an answer for that,

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Speaker 14: And then I have a question for you. You ask

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Speaker 14: why people don't want to give Lebron his credit, and

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Speaker 14: that I think is because nostalgia is a.

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Speaker 2: Hell of a drug.

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Speaker 14: We love TV shows and movies we grew up on,

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Speaker 14: we loved the music we grew up on. And that

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Speaker 14: brings me to my question for you and the Dans.

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Speaker 14: What decade had the best one hit?

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Speaker 2: Wonders? No, I wouldn't know that, but thank you. And

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Speaker 2: you're right about nostalgia that we hold on for dear life.

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Speaker 2: But we had Jim Jackson on former NBA player and

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Speaker 2: he said, you know, in fifteen years from now, you'll

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Speaker 2: get a different generation and they may look at Lebron differently,

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Speaker 2: and they may look at Lebron as the best player

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Speaker 2: of all time. I don't think that's gonna happen because

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Speaker 2: all of Michael Jordan's moments are available. You had the

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Speaker 2: Last Dance, and I still point out there were more

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Speaker 2: episodes of the Last Dance than the Civil War. Well

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Speaker 2: on PBS, ken Burns did a documentary on the Civil War.

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan's Last Dance had I think maybe one or

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Speaker 2: two more, maybe two more episodes than the Civil War,

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Speaker 2: and that was strategically placed by Michael Jordan. Lebron had

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Speaker 2: won the Bubble Championship, Mike agreed to put out that documentary,

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Speaker 2: sit down for interviews, and they put that together. They

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Speaker 2: rushed it to get it out. Mike was sending a

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Speaker 2: message to everybody who might doubt question if he was

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Speaker 2: still the greatest player. But you still have the Jordan.

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Speaker 2: You know, It's like the PGA Tour with Tiger, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know which one looms larger, Tiger on the

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Speaker 2: PGA Tour or Michael with the NBA. And if you

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Speaker 2: think about it, you know, there Mike is considered the

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Speaker 2: greatest player. Tiger, him and Jack Nicholas. That's it. But Tiger,

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Speaker 2: with the style that he made it hip to be

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Speaker 2: to want to play at a younger age, he changed

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Speaker 2: the game in a lot of ways. Mike changed the

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Speaker 2: game as well. But more off the court, with marketing,

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Speaker 2: worldwide power, the shoe that he came out with.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Marvin, Yeah, I think Michael Jordan's going to be

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Speaker 4: compared more to like Babe Ruth as far as in

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Speaker 4: one hundred years, Everyone's still going to look at Michael

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Speaker 4: Jordan as the greatest player ever the way we do

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Speaker 4: Babe Ruth, even though a lot of us didn't see him.

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Speaker 4: But now we have the Internet, we have YouTube in

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Speaker 4: social media, so we saw Michael Jordan up close, and

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Speaker 4: those videos are going to live forever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't agree that we're going to look at

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Speaker 2: Lebron differently in fifteen years, but you know that's Jim

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Speaker 2: Jackson and he's very wise in pointing that out. I

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Speaker 2: think Michael's legacy is just too big, it's omnipresent.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Dylan, Yeah, I think in reality, like Tiger gets

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Speaker 5: compared to Jordan the most closely, probably out of anyone,

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Speaker 5: but in reality, he's probably more like the Lebron And

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Speaker 5: like Jack Nicholas was Jordan where he was.

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Speaker 2: You know, No, I don't even want to go down

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Speaker 2: that road. No no, no, no, no, no, no, don't

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. I do like the

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Speaker 2: pole question of who gets a better reception going back

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Speaker 2: to their former teams. I think Giannis in Milwaukee is

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Speaker 2: going to They're going to welcome him back. I think

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Speaker 2: it's best for the organization that he moved on and

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Speaker 2: best for him. Lebron with the Lakers, Look, the Lakers

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Speaker 2: didn't want Lebron to stay. They needed to have a

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Speaker 2: bigger kind of game plan here, not year to year,

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Speaker 2: and so Lebron, you know, probably wasn't going to be

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Speaker 2: able to stay. So I don't you know, he helped

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Speaker 2: you win a title and hopefully he gets a good reception.

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Speaker 2: Jalen Brown with the Celtics is going to be the

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Speaker 2: one I'm really curious about, really curious, Yes, Ton.

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Speaker 6: Why would the Celtics boot Jalen Brown after everything he

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Speaker 6: did for them? Was he really aggressively looking to get

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Speaker 6: out of there. The whole debate was they both can't

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Speaker 6: be together, but that wasn't his doing those debates. Aback,

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Speaker 6: you can't have both of these guys together on.

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Speaker 2: The same well. Jason Tatum I think was at a

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Speaker 2: basketball camp and he had some comments where it'll be

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Speaker 2: nice to not be around somebody who has to be

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Speaker 2: the smartest guy in the room. I'm paraphrasing here, and

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Speaker 2: that feels like a direct shot at Jalen Brown.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Marv, and then Jaylen Brown came back at him

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Speaker 4: and said, real intelligence is being who you are and

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Speaker 4: then put a snake as in like mamba because he

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Speaker 4: feels like Jason Tatum was too busy trying to be

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Speaker 4: Kobe and not trying to be himself.

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Speaker 2: Dang right, yeah, Pauling.

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Speaker 3: One thing going back to Jordan that protects his legacy.

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Speaker 3: Let's say in twenty years there is a better player

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Speaker 3: or someone who has a better career, it's fifty to

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Speaker 3: fifty whether that person's wearing his shoes. The Nike jump

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Speaker 3: Man protects Jordan's logo for a generation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, who's in the confessional? Todd's in the confessional.

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Speaker 2: If you're watching on Peacock Charles Barkley in about five

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Speaker 2: minutes from now, final hour in this Tuesday Dan and

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Speaker 2: The Dan Edge Dan Patrick Show. We're back after this