Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukleman. This is a production of
Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where
Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h
Speaker 1: F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear
Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place. As
Speaker 1: we explore. Well, I'm very tempted to podcasts out of
Speaker 1: my new saddle, very very tempted. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: start off, so I have in my office. You guys
Speaker 1: were at the Black Bevenanza. Sir a man named Coult George,
Speaker 1: custom saddle maker, third generation custom saddle maker from Wyoming,
Speaker 1: who I had met one time in Wyoming. Just shook
Speaker 1: his hand, just he was like, Hey, my name's Colt George.
Speaker 1: I met him and his dad. He's a third generation
Speaker 1: saddle maker. His dad makes saddles, his grandfather makes saddles.
Speaker 1: Colt's probably like, I don't know, his mid twenties, maybe
Speaker 1: late twenties. Yeah, he and his When he saw me
Speaker 1: in Utah, he said, hey, clam coming to the Black
Speaker 1: Bear Bonanza. And I was like, cool man, And he said,
Speaker 1: I have something I want to give you. I was like, great, great,
Speaker 1: look forward to getting it. You know, people bring me
Speaker 1: books or just different stuff all the time. So I
Speaker 1: was grateful, but I didn't think too much about it.
Speaker 2: Did you know at the time he was a saddle maker.
Speaker 1: No, no, no. So then at the Black Bear Bonanza, I
Speaker 1: see him and he's wearing a big cowboy hat and
Speaker 1: he's and I recognize and I'm like, hey, man, yeah,
Speaker 1: I met you. And he comes up to me and
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, sometime today you need to come out
Speaker 1: to my truck. And I was like, okay, and uh, anyway,
Speaker 1: long story short, I went out to his truck at
Speaker 1: the very end of the day and he pulls this
Speaker 1: saddle out.
Speaker 3: Okay, and that's what you want to do. This is
Speaker 3: how you want to play. Is now in the saddle.
Speaker 1: I'm in the saddle and he gave me in this
Speaker 1: saddle stand and uh, this is what they call their
Speaker 1: hunting saddle.
Speaker 3: It's super super.
Speaker 1: It has on the saddle horn, it's got an acre
Speaker 1: and it's got four bear tracks. It's got a BG
Speaker 1: right here, it's got an out a barred ol feather,
Speaker 1: and it's got on the back of the gro the
Speaker 1: back it has it has a plot hound tree and
Speaker 1: but uh, anyway, it's very fancy and I.
Speaker 3: Don't think any of us could take you podcasting.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that would be too much for the room.
Speaker 1: I will probably do a lot of podcasting. He wants
Speaker 1: me to use it, like he's like, Clay, this is
Speaker 1: a saddle I want you to use. But it's just
Speaker 1: so pretty. It's just sitting here in the office. So
Speaker 1: that's that. We have a very a great crew of
Speaker 1: people here today. I've got to my right, my brand
Speaker 1: new saddle to my brand new saddles right, Josh Lambridge,
Speaker 1: Spilmmaker and very special guests who we've not had on
Speaker 1: here before. We got to skip them first, skipping over
Speaker 1: the very special guests to another very special guests, so
Speaker 1: less special guests. Mo Shepherd. Everybody knows Mo. Moe is
Speaker 1: my go to man for turkey stories. Dear stories are
Speaker 1: hillbilly stuff, yea.
Speaker 2: Mater stories, mountain lion stories.
Speaker 1: Whatever you want that you got it all.
Speaker 2: If I ain't got them, I'll make one.
Speaker 1: Mister, did you know that Moe's Let me just tell
Speaker 1: this story, Mo, can you correct me when it's wrong?
Speaker 1: Moe's great great grandfather who There is a mountain named
Speaker 1: after that's on like a topo map over here, named
Speaker 1: after They were killed by Union bushwhackers under a bluff
Speaker 1: during the Civil War.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if they were Union bushwhackers, but
Speaker 4: they were bushwhackers. Most bushwhackers weren't for either side. They
Speaker 4: were just they were just out there self serving rob
Speaker 4: pilfer and steel and get whatever they could get.
Speaker 1: Got it.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I did not know.
Speaker 4: So he had gone to meet his two sons that
Speaker 4: were on a furlough to come home for a few days.
Speaker 4: So I don't know where they'd been fighting, but they
Speaker 4: were on a furlough to come home for a few days.
Speaker 4: And he, however, they got their notes to each other
Speaker 4: by someone an other or however, they were going to
Speaker 4: meet at a bluff a few miles from where he
Speaker 4: was living at where he'd homesteaded up there.
Speaker 2: And he went and met him, took.
Speaker 4: Him some food and some more clothing and stuff, and
Speaker 4: they visited a while, and he got ready to leave
Speaker 4: and said, you know, we'll see you if when when
Speaker 4: you get out of the war, when the war's over,
Speaker 4: probably before I'll see you again. He walked out from
Speaker 4: the bluff, walked up on top and the bushwhackers shot him.
Speaker 2: Wow, and run down and grabbed his stuff and took
Speaker 2: off with whatever he had left. And then.
Speaker 4: His two sons got out and found him and he
Speaker 4: was still loud. They took him to his wife and
Speaker 4: his daughter back by their house and they cared for him.
Speaker 4: And the boys took out after the bushwhackers and found
Speaker 4: them both and killed them both.
Speaker 1: So wow, wow, do you know exactly where that happened? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you know the bluff.
Speaker 4: I meant a picture of the bluff with my dad
Speaker 4: satting under it and.
Speaker 1: Really on my phone. So this mountains, I mean Shepherd
Speaker 1: Mountain and Moe was raised up there and really unique.
Speaker 4: History and him and his brother when they first came
Speaker 4: in in the I think it was in the eighteen
Speaker 4: thirties or something like that. They first place they settled
Speaker 4: was down on the Frog Bayou and they found a
Speaker 4: spring there in that place is still called Shepherd Springs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a lake there.
Speaker 4: Now they combined that lake with the Lake Fort Smith,
Speaker 4: but it still has a lot of stuff in the
Speaker 4: lake fourth miss State Park about the Shepherd Springs and
Speaker 4: my great great grandfather settling there with other people, and
Speaker 4: then his brother stayed there, and then he moved up
Speaker 4: into the mountains and home stated up there, and that's
Speaker 4: how it got the name Shepherd Mountain.
Speaker 5: So yeah, let's just say that you don't stumble on
Speaker 5: most Shepherd's house accidentally.
Speaker 1: No, no, you don't know. We're still in introductions though, to
Speaker 1: Moe's right, my lovely life, doctor, mister newkem so great
Speaker 1: to have you.
Speaker 3: Good to be here.
Speaker 1: Our special guests though, John and Demmy whitting Hill from Oklahoma, welcome.
Speaker 3: I think we should have them, you know, make a
Speaker 3: random animal sound just to We're going to.
Speaker 1: Say that I've met John a couple of times. Y'all
Speaker 1: came to the Warner Glenn film premiere, and then I
Speaker 1: met you just recently at the Black Bear Bonanza. Saw
Speaker 1: you again. And John, you work for Oklahoma is It
Speaker 1: Game and Fish.
Speaker 6: Oklahoma Compartment Wildlife Conservation.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but the real reason you're here is because
Speaker 1: of your wife.
Speaker 6: That's right, Demmy more famous than me.
Speaker 1: Demmy, can you a greet everyone? No? No, no, I just
Speaker 1: say hello.
Speaker 7: Oh hi, everybody.
Speaker 1: So Demmy was both of you guys were in the
Speaker 1: al Hut competition yes, sir and U. But there was
Speaker 1: a video of Demmy that I put out, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: I got from one of your friends had taken that video,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 8: Yeah, our pastor's wife actually she recorded it. She was
Speaker 8: there and okay, send it Tommy.
Speaker 1: So I put that video on my Instagram and it
Speaker 1: has one point three million views. No, I've never put
Speaker 1: a picture of video of you. Now we got one
Speaker 1: point three million views.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever put a picture of
Speaker 2: me on there or not.
Speaker 6: You probably have to get you some long blonde hair
Speaker 6: before that.
Speaker 3: For a long time, Tho Shepherd. I don't know why,
Speaker 3: but his picture was Clay's screen. Say it was mow
Speaker 3: and do you remember that? Oh yeah, it was like
Speaker 3: Clay put it up when he was first doing Arkansas
Speaker 3: Black Bear Store, and he saved it to us. He
Speaker 3: probably didn't know. He probably did it on accident and
Speaker 3: then never changed it. And so for years the kids
Speaker 3: would be like, look, there's most every time clayve would
Speaker 3: open up his.
Speaker 1: Laptop, it was a really good picture you with a
Speaker 1: with a bear, or that you killed with a pistol.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 3: Any presentations he did.
Speaker 1: No, So so what do you do for the Department
Speaker 1: of Wildlife in Oklahoma.
Speaker 6: John, I'm an intern right now. So it's basically just
Speaker 6: kind of like interning for a technician role, so running tractor,
Speaker 6: you know, playing food plots and doing control burns, any
Speaker 6: kind of habitat, manipulation, just stuff like that. So the
Speaker 6: road greater.
Speaker 2: He got a real job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like a real job. Do you do
Speaker 1: you want to you wanna be in? You like working
Speaker 1: for I mean.
Speaker 6: Is it? Yeah? Yeah, a good job. It's great. Man,
Speaker 6: Like I said, Demi and I and my family ran
Speaker 6: a business for about eight years that we had and
Speaker 6: that my dad left to us when he passed away.
Speaker 6: And it's been been a refreshing change, you know, to
Speaker 6: get out and just kind of be out and outside.
Speaker 6: That's where I like to be, you know. I always
Speaker 6: My mom handed me some papers, you know, a couple
Speaker 6: of months ago and she said, here, these are from
Speaker 6: you know, homeschooling way back in the day. And you know,
Speaker 6: I went through there and looking at them and stuff,
Speaker 6: and it was like fishing, wildlife biologies just circled, game
Speaker 6: warding circled, you know, just military circled, you know, And
Speaker 6: so I did the military thing, you know, coming out
Speaker 6: of high school and ended up getting hurt overseas, and
Speaker 6: then you know, that kind of changed the trajectory of
Speaker 6: some of what I had planned. And so you know,
Speaker 6: now twelve or thirteen years later, I'm starting over and
Speaker 6: probably going back to school for wildlife biology. That's awesoe.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna give a shot. Man. I'm not much of
Speaker 6: a school person. I'm more of a hands on you know,
Speaker 6: like working with my hands, you know, running machines. I
Speaker 6: did heavy equipment school, you know, when I went through
Speaker 6: Votec and stuff like that, and run a bulldozer. I
Speaker 6: know everybody's a big fan of class bulldog. Yeah, I've
Speaker 6: got one. If you ever want to come running, you
Speaker 6: have one yourself. I do certainly.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 6: I do well.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't let him drive in.
Speaker 6: Okay, there we go, funny store. I had a big
Speaker 6: rat up under the seat the other day and it
Speaker 6: made me hit my head on the ceiling. Come up
Speaker 6: out of there. I sat down and he come out
Speaker 6: by my side, and boy, I shot out that thing
Speaker 6: pretty quick, So I didn't want that crawling in my lap.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, anyhow, where were you deployed in the military,
Speaker 1: if you don't mind me asking.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Afghanistan. So that was back in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really really how long were you there?
Speaker 6: About six months? So you know, I got six months
Speaker 6: in and uh came back from leave for my sister's
Speaker 6: wedding and stuff like that, and hit a hit an
Speaker 6: I d over there and uh kind of a big deal.
Speaker 6: Uh you know, broke my back and collar on shoulder
Speaker 6: bust a few two and a couple of my good
Speaker 6: friends you know, died as well, uh in that accident.
Speaker 6: So I'm not an accident, but uh, you know, wow,
Speaker 6: an ID explosion. Wow, so one guy, one of the
Speaker 6: guy made it out, you know. Yeah, definitely at nineteen
Speaker 6: that kind of ship board a little bit.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I didn't. I didn't know that about you.
Speaker 6: It's not something i'd really share a whole lot, you know.
Speaker 6: Like I said, I'm open to sharing it. Obviously. Now
Speaker 6: everybody's gonna know about it, but.
Speaker 1: That's fine, and we can take it off if you want.
Speaker 6: No, No, no, that's fine. Like I said, I'm I'm
Speaker 6: an open book man. Anything anything you want to know,
Speaker 6: just ask, Like I said, Uh, I'm happy to happy
Speaker 6: to share, you know. I just I want people to
Speaker 6: I don't want to be strutting around like it like
Speaker 6: I did something. I knew what I was signing up for.
Speaker 6: You know, when I when I volunteered, nobody knowing me
Speaker 6: put a gun to my head to force me to go.
Speaker 6: You know, I wanted to and I liked it, and uh,
Speaker 6: you know, obviously those events, like I said, they still
Speaker 6: stick with you. But I'm working on trying to get
Speaker 6: get that figured out and do me. And I've had
Speaker 6: some you know issues as far as my stuff of
Speaker 6: being able to communicate what's going on inside my head,
Speaker 6: you know, trying to be respectful of you know that
Speaker 6: and not share too much detail. But I've got some
Speaker 6: work I've got ahead of me still, you know. And
Speaker 6: this I've been doing this for, you know, twelve thirteen
Speaker 6: years now. This is back in twenty eleven. So uh,
Speaker 6: it's a process. But it's good, man, that's good. So
Speaker 6: I kind of like like where I'm man, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3: And did they discharge you after that? Did you get
Speaker 3: honorably discharged and came back and then you took over
Speaker 3: the family business?
Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am. Were y'all married, No, we got.
Speaker 3: We did how long. Have y'all been married six years?
Speaker 3: Six years?
Speaker 6: Okay, so the Blackbird Bonanza was actually our six year anniversary.
Speaker 1: Yes me. Yeah, And now you guys are big outdoors
Speaker 1: men and women. Absolutely dimmy. What what's what's your favorite
Speaker 1: thing to hunt? I've seen your Instagram and I see
Speaker 1: you turkey hunt, some deer hunt.
Speaker 7: Definitely turkeys.
Speaker 1: Really yeah.
Speaker 8: I've done a little bit of everything with him, but
Speaker 8: my first successful hunt was with turkeys, and I was hooked.
Speaker 1: Did you grow uphunting or did did John take you?
Speaker 8: I didn't, I but I always had a desire to.
Speaker 8: It's kind of weird. My parents never really understood why.
Speaker 8: I always had a fascination for hunting, and I always
Speaker 8: wanted somebody to take me.
Speaker 1: And here comes John.
Speaker 7: We had known each other.
Speaker 8: Since yeah, and his sister actually saw a picture of
Speaker 8: me with a fish I was bass fishing with my
Speaker 8: dad and I said, yeah, and now I just need
Speaker 8: somebody to teach me how to hunt. And she said, well,
Speaker 8: I know a guy, and she you know, tagged him.
Speaker 8: He didn't say anything.
Speaker 3: It took John.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a slow learner. I'm the I'm the subordinate
Speaker 6: gobbler off to the side, in the back door strutting
Speaker 6: turk could get shot first.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so yeah, it took a little while.
Speaker 8: But then and I think at first maybe he thought
Speaker 8: and a lot of other people thought, Oh, she's just
Speaker 8: doing this because.
Speaker 7: They're dating or whatever.
Speaker 8: I'm like, no, I really, I'm really interested and i'd
Speaker 8: really like to know, you know, the ins and outs
Speaker 8: of hunting, and but yeah, turkey hunting out of I
Speaker 8: think turkey hunting and then duck hunting is probably my
Speaker 8: second time.
Speaker 6: Okay, big waterfowlers, I am. I was ate up with
Speaker 6: it pretty bad for a couple of years there, and
Speaker 6: I still am. Like I said, I love to go.
Speaker 6: It's the it's the thrill of the hunt man. It
Speaker 6: gets me. I like birds. So, you know, I like
Speaker 6: shooting deer, but you know, I don't I don't shoot
Speaker 6: big deer. You know, I don't know how to kill
Speaker 6: big deer, but I do know how to kill ducks
Speaker 6: and turkey. Yeah, yeah, I'm just I'm just not skicky.
Speaker 1: I guess y'all grew up in the same community in
Speaker 1: Oklahoma kind.
Speaker 7: Of when we were little.
Speaker 8: We yeah, we our families were connected at church and so,
Speaker 8: and I stayed in contact with his sisters when my family,
Speaker 8: when I was a teenager, we moved to the East Coat,
Speaker 8: so we stayed in contact just through I.
Speaker 1: Assume you mean the east coast of Lake Worcester. The
Speaker 1: east coast of the US was a joke. That was
Speaker 1: a joke. Come on, that was funny. That was a
Speaker 1: micro geography joke. The east coast of Lake Worcester over
Speaker 1: there where they live, sort of close east coast, the
Speaker 1: east coast of the US. Yep okay.
Speaker 7: So that's how we stayed in contact.
Speaker 8: And then I can't I remember his sister's wedding and
Speaker 8: him being there coming back from overseas, and he was
Speaker 8: just a wallflower. He just was on the side and
Speaker 8: I'm out there dancing with his sisters and everything.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, he wasn't strutting, just drumming, spitting and drumming.
Speaker 8: Our parents were friends. They came up for you know,
Speaker 8: family vacations. We you know, stayed in contact that way.
Speaker 8: But he never I had a younger brother, and so
Speaker 8: he would run off with my brother and play, you know,
Speaker 8: when we were real little, and I would go off.
Speaker 7: With a sisters.
Speaker 1: Okay, see I kind of knew each other. Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 6: We went to church. I don't know if you said
Speaker 6: that or not, went to church together when we were
Speaker 6: little kids.
Speaker 3: At what point did you start impersonating animals?
Speaker 1: Question?
Speaker 6: There we go.
Speaker 1: In the industry, we call it.
Speaker 7: I would dabble just because he would.
Speaker 8: He would do it a lot, and so I would try,
Speaker 8: you know, and and I would even.
Speaker 7: Ask him like does that sound okay?
Speaker 3: Does that sound good?
Speaker 7: And he'd be like, that's okay.
Speaker 6: I'm not the most encouraging word person. Words of affirmation
Speaker 6: is not my strong suit. So yeah, we're opposites in
Speaker 6: that area. And I'm learning that everybody has their own
Speaker 6: style and so just because it doesn't sound like mine
Speaker 6: doesn't mean it's bad.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: Now, did had you been out in the woods enough
Speaker 1: to hear a bard owl?
Speaker 7: I had.
Speaker 8: I had heard owls, but I don't know that I
Speaker 8: heard a barred owl like I just I had.
Speaker 7: I had heard them, you know, just.
Speaker 8: Out and I've heard I've actually heard one laughing before,
Speaker 8: so I did.
Speaker 7: I had heard one like that. So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 7: that's what that really sounds like.
Speaker 1: Have you heard her alhu yet?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I listened to the Okay, your alhood is so realistic,
Speaker 1: Like I figured you would have like listened to a
Speaker 1: lot of natural owls. You're saying you didn't.
Speaker 7: Really, I think I blame it too on the fact
Speaker 7: that I studied music.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so maybe the earting.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're a fiddle player, Okay, we won't she brought
Speaker 1: her fiddle? Yeah, no, for real. So I was a
Speaker 1: judge in the contest, in the out hout and contest,
Speaker 1: and and we're blind judges. We we don't have are
Speaker 1: we're facing a way so we can't see or we
Speaker 1: don't know who anyone is. And it was really funny
Speaker 1: because I remember somebody, somebody sitting right in front of
Speaker 1: me that was watching, said, man, she's good, like she
Speaker 1: said she and I to be. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: assumed there's all men you. I think maybe you had
Speaker 1: said you were gonna AUHU, but it didn't register to
Speaker 1: me that you were up there. But unfortunately, the guy
Speaker 1: that won it, Cam not unfortunately s cut that out.
Speaker 1: Cam is he's incredible. Yeah, one day I'll have him
Speaker 1: on here. He's really really good. You were like right there.
Speaker 1: So she ended up getting second place, which it's not
Speaker 1: an entirely fair contest. There's just three of us setting
Speaker 1: up there listening or rating them, you know. But no,
Speaker 1: I remember being surprised when somebody said she's really good,
Speaker 1: because I just envisioned ten men standing up there. I mean,
Speaker 1: am I right?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: For sure?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's the way it's been.
Speaker 3: You probably I shouldn't say that, all.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm yeah.
Speaker 2: I told I told Cam the other day.
Speaker 4: I was talking to him the other day and I
Speaker 4: told him, I said, you just better consider yourself lucky.
Speaker 4: He said, why is that, I said, because I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said next year.
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, next year.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if was there, you know, we might not be
Speaker 6: sitting here right now.
Speaker 1: You know, Well it would have been a good I bet,
Speaker 1: I bet y'all might have been the top top three.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now you were in there too, John, you were up
Speaker 1: there in the top ten.
Speaker 6: Yeah I got so I got into the top five, but.
Speaker 1: You made it into the top See, I didn't even
Speaker 1: know who was up there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So have enormous genetic potential.
Speaker 6: Your children, Yeah, they're probably going to live in you know.
Speaker 6: So we do live live in the woods, so that's
Speaker 6: that's a possibility. So, uh so I got into the
Speaker 6: top five, but I think I was number five of five.
Speaker 2: You know, you've probably been six if i'd been.
Speaker 6: You know, I lost to you once before, you know,
Speaker 6: so I wouldn't I wouldn't die.
Speaker 1: So you were in the year before, but not them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: I remember him being there.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well there I was.
Speaker 6: I was shaking, you know, up there on stage because
Speaker 6: I don't like being in front of people, you know,
Speaker 6: so I was trying to hold it together.
Speaker 1: We need to we need to hear somebout Yeah, what
Speaker 1: mo You should go first?
Speaker 2: You ready think I should?
Speaker 1: You can stand that and can do whatever you want.
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 1: I can laying down, standing up, it doesn't matter, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: You have to help me back up. I get done
Speaker 2: that far. I'm sixty three years old.
Speaker 1: Miss Yeah, let's let's hear it. Let's hear it.
Speaker 2: What do you want a whole.
Speaker 1: Series or you're whatever. Here's what I've as been a
Speaker 1: connoisseur of al Hoots people. I'm a connoisseur. That that means
Speaker 1: I'm the best. No, that's not I'm saying. I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Connoisseur means you just.
Speaker 2: You know, think you know stuff. That's what that's right.
Speaker 1: No, everybody, the real good people or a lot of
Speaker 1: people have one thing that's real good, like they have
Speaker 1: a real good laugh, or they have a real good tone,
Speaker 1: or they have a real good sequence. A whole lot
Speaker 1: of it is timing. You can have somebody that does
Speaker 1: it good, but they're timing is slightly off. And and
Speaker 1: so anyway, I'll be giving commentary on what you guys
Speaker 1: are all good at.
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, mo, there you go.
Speaker 1: Then very good has really good.
Speaker 3: Sound like a human it does like I'm watching him
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how are you doing that? Like
Speaker 3: are you using your He's not using his throat.
Speaker 6: You'd have to kill you if she's going to try
Speaker 6: next year if you tell her vocal cords, so your
Speaker 6: vocal that's.
Speaker 1: It, all right, John, let's hear yours?
Speaker 6: All right? Yeah, beautiful. I can't do that. The laughing part.
Speaker 6: That's my Achilles heel man. I'm competitors know out there that.
Speaker 1: Don't show him your weakness, right, I think in the
Speaker 1: woods you're out. It would be really good because it's loud. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you got you gotta do you want me to
Speaker 1: do a loud one.
Speaker 3: Super competitors like I wasn't there and I didn't know
Speaker 3: you want to just do it loud?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'm just I'm just looking for positive
Speaker 1: things to say here. Okay, no, no, that's good. All right, Demmy,
Speaker 1: you ready.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: So this can't be. This can't be more nerve wracking
Speaker 1: than al hooting in front of I.
Speaker 6: Don't know, I don't know, I don't come on now.
Speaker 1: Perfect. That was good. That was good. The the what
Speaker 1: I think people were saying on the Instagram, the like
Speaker 1: the laugh like yeah, oh yeah, good tone, good tone.
Speaker 6: Does so she I think she learned that, you know,
Speaker 6: from gomber Pile and Andy Griffiths show where he's eating
Speaker 6: that peanut butter sandwich outside and they're trying to warn
Speaker 6: Andy or when Andy's coming, you know, when they're all
Speaker 6: thinking they're getting married. They said you got to keep
Speaker 6: your cheeks all holler.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 6: So I think that's where Demmy learned that.
Speaker 3: Are we gonna hear Josh? Josh's musically trained.
Speaker 6: Not to crack a whip, probably pretty good with whipping
Speaker 6: that fly out around, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Clay was the first person I did not know
Speaker 3: that people could I was just not at all raised
Speaker 3: around outdoorsy people like like our hunters especially, and yeah,
Speaker 3: and I remember Clay and I were just friends and
Speaker 3: he went out. We were out in the woods and
Speaker 3: he started doing that and I'll called back to him
Speaker 3: and it was like, hands down, the coolest thing I've
Speaker 3: ever seen a guy. I was like, that is super cool.
Speaker 3: And I remember telling my friends this guy can talk
Speaker 3: to animals.
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up.
Speaker 5: I didn't grow up hunting either, And Clay is the
Speaker 5: one who taught me to hunt. And I remember hearing
Speaker 5: him owl hoot yea and me thinking like, that's just
Speaker 5: something that owls do, but I'll never hear it, and
Speaker 5: then going turkey hunting, it was like, oh wait, there's
Speaker 5: there's owls out there, and yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Super cool if you if you've had no exposure to it,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like a different world that you're being
Speaker 3: introduced to.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's how A lot of my friends that
Speaker 7: are not.
Speaker 8: At all yeah the realm, they were like, Okay, what
Speaker 8: is ol hooting?
Speaker 6: What is.
Speaker 3: After you had video?
Speaker 7: Yeah, like I see the video, what is this about?
Speaker 1: That's fun?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: The best practice that I've ever had is uh is
Speaker 1: getting the owl coming in and I know you two
Speaker 1: have probably done it before and just getting calling with
Speaker 1: one just like that's setting right above you. Have you
Speaker 1: ever had them do that?
Speaker 6: John?
Speaker 1: Oh, that's that would make would probably your game next
Speaker 1: year would probably be way better. Demmy, if you if
Speaker 1: you could either love for that to happen or just
Speaker 1: like listen to one online and man you can, because
Speaker 1: I've like for me to outhou right now, it'd just
Speaker 1: be okay. But if I was out and listening to
Speaker 1: one and he was sitting on a limb above me,
Speaker 1: like that's your best alhooting and then you kind of
Speaker 1: you kind of remember it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what Bear said last year. He went out
Speaker 3: in the woods and he said that just sitting there,
Speaker 3: two got into a little call fest and he recorded
Speaker 3: it and as soon as he said coming home, he
Speaker 3: could immediately call better than just from like being in
Speaker 3: the woods and just sitting underneath the tree. Well while
Speaker 3: they were calling back and forth. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bo, you heard some turkeys the other day, gobble
Speaker 1: They're they're doing it. Huh.
Speaker 2: They're they're getting started a little bit up here in
Speaker 2: the mountains.
Speaker 1: Yeah, John, have you heard any gobble?
Speaker 6: I got something to gobble at me on the side
Speaker 6: of the road the other day. Yeah, we were driving
Speaker 6: to go do a little fly fishing, and uh, it's
Speaker 6: all a group of you know, about a flock of
Speaker 6: about twenty turkeys and saw some little cigar butt Jake's
Speaker 6: in there and started yelping at them and they let
Speaker 6: loose and there I got got my fill on that.
Speaker 6: So that was the first gobble of the season for me.
Speaker 5: We were in Colorado last week on the way home.
Speaker 5: I looked over and I was like, is that what
Speaker 5: I think it is?
Speaker 6: And there were probably sixty turkeys in field in Colorado. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Where Yeah, Yeah, I'll send you a pen exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't mind spot burning Colorado.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are the are the turkey? Is the turkey
Speaker 3: situation in Oklahoma better than it.
Speaker 1: Is here a little bit?
Speaker 3: You would see him on the side of the road.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say so.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 6: I mean when I was growing up, we used to
Speaker 6: have them come up in the yard. You know, there
Speaker 6: there was a group. Again, I see a group flock
Speaker 6: of you know, hunter turkeys wow around our house. And
Speaker 6: I mean you'd come out and we had like a
Speaker 6: little center like an oval driveway, and I mean that
Speaker 6: whole patch of grass would just be covered or turkeys.
Speaker 7: And uh, we would see them too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's definitely changed. It's it's sad, you know, to
Speaker 6: see him see them go. But I mean there's still
Speaker 6: a few round, but it's not not the good old
Speaker 6: days I was.
Speaker 2: I started hunting in Oklahoma and eighty two yep.
Speaker 4: And I haven't hundred every year out there, but I've
Speaker 4: hunded a lot of years out there. And when I
Speaker 4: first started hunting out there, there was a lot of turkeys.
Speaker 4: I hung it in the southeastern part. I went kind
Speaker 4: of central part out towards Oak Muggy and up there
Speaker 4: on Honey a little bit, went Plum to the western part,
Speaker 4: hunted some and I've seen it. It kind of stayed
Speaker 4: stable till about two thousand and then really started to climb,
Speaker 4: kind of like Arkansas did in the early two thousands.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's pockets of birds still. So I mean, like
Speaker 6: I said, where I work, there's birds. You know, around home,
Speaker 6: you can find water and you can find the habitat,
Speaker 6: you can find the birds. So it's just like I said,
Speaker 6: they're a little you got to look for them.
Speaker 2: Same way here.
Speaker 4: Back in the nineties here, you could go about out
Speaker 4: at any ridge or lesten off of any hollering, you'd
Speaker 4: hear a turkey.
Speaker 2: Now you have to really look for them to find them.
Speaker 4: Kind of like when I started hunting tinkey's in seventy
Speaker 4: six here in Arkansas, and that's what it was in
Speaker 4: You had to you had to spend several days just
Speaker 4: finding turkeys. Once you found them, there was positive you
Speaker 4: could hunt them, but you had to spend several days
Speaker 4: out just trying to find where the turkeys were. That's
Speaker 4: kind of way it is now here in the northwest
Speaker 4: part of Arkansas.
Speaker 1: Anyways. I've heard some positive reports though coming from Arkansas
Speaker 1: about a few more birds than there's been the last
Speaker 1: few years. Yeah, which is good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that is.
Speaker 4: I saw more young birds this fall deer hunting and
Speaker 4: stuff out where I do a lot of deer hunting,
Speaker 4: turkey out in both and I've seen in twenty five
Speaker 4: years as far as good flocks of young birds with
Speaker 4: hens grouped up.
Speaker 1: So that's good, that's good.
Speaker 6: I think knocking that season date back a little bit
Speaker 6: has helped. And then you know, obviously Oklahoma used to
Speaker 6: be a three birds state, you know, and so they've
Speaker 6: knocked it back down to one now and so I
Speaker 6: think that that helps too. So yeah, and that's just
Speaker 6: my opinion. That's not anything from the Wildlife Department, you know.
Speaker 6: That's just yeah, me as a turkey hunter going out
Speaker 6: there and I'm you know, finding and seeing some more birds.
Speaker 1: So we started our Turkey Stories episodes. We're gonna do
Speaker 1: probably one more. These These are some of my favorite
Speaker 1: podcasts that would do because I get to travel around
Speaker 1: and meet all these people and hear their stories. It's
Speaker 1: it's really hard. It's actually harder than it may seem
Speaker 1: Miss Nukem to uh go talk to somebody and get
Speaker 1: their best turkey story that translates good on Josh will
Speaker 1: tell you he was looking at while I was doing
Speaker 1: some editing today, I'll talk to somebody for forty five
Speaker 1: minutes and get one get one story. Yeah yeah, but Josh,
Speaker 1: of all the stories that we're told today, and we
Speaker 1: had a good sample in from we we went down
Speaker 1: to Mississippi and then to Alabama and then to Tennessee.
Speaker 1: So we did. We did a three state tour on
Speaker 1: this one. There were no I don't think North Carolina,
Speaker 1: wasn't you North Carolina? Well, I had a North Carolina storyteller.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying from North Carolina.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, Yeah, that's right. So it's four
Speaker 1: stayd thing I remember dead? Yeah, which which Josh?
Speaker 5: So there were two and I'll tell you one once quick.
Speaker 5: Macy's story, mainly because I like the end when she
Speaker 5: takes her her turkey feathers and turns them into flies.
Speaker 1: For fly fishing. Oh really, she's quite the.
Speaker 5: Fly fisher I've seen. Yeah, because she she posts a
Speaker 5: lot of fly fishing.
Speaker 1: Anybody else big follow her?
Speaker 3: I followed her?
Speaker 1: Did you know her before I had?
Speaker 7: I mean, I just followed her on social media?
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, so I liked I liked that.
Speaker 5: But honestly, the story that stood out to me the
Speaker 5: most was the old gentleman who got shot because it
Speaker 5: reminded me of when we were turkey hunting and we
Speaker 5: got lost for a large number of hours and when
Speaker 5: we got back to camp.
Speaker 1: Phrase that, Josh, you were lost. No, no, not me,
Speaker 1: but we did.
Speaker 5: We found a turkey nest.
Speaker 2: You remember.
Speaker 5: That was quite a We did get lost, but it
Speaker 5: was a lot of fun being out in the woods.
Speaker 3: Was that with our kids? Okay?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But when we got back.
Speaker 5: You remember, they a couple of guys had stopped by
Speaker 5: our camp because one of the guys that that was
Speaker 5: hunting with us was a doctor and uh, one of
Speaker 5: Gary Newcomb's old friends, John Mesco.
Speaker 1: And we had turkey camp. John Mesco was their dad.
Speaker 1: Me and Josh went off and got lost the whole day,
Speaker 1: came back to camp and they tell us.
Speaker 5: And they're like, the gentleman just came by because he
Speaker 5: had just gotten peppered by some some joker just saw
Speaker 5: the white he was an old man, had white hair,
Speaker 5: and just shot one off at him, and he took
Speaker 5: seventeen pellets almost in the same place, seventeen pellets on
Speaker 5: the back of his ribs.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: And you know, there wasn't much they could do do
Speaker 5: other than, you know, just let it, let it heal up.
Speaker 1: And uh.
Speaker 5: But that I I appreciated the I appreciated the the
Speaker 5: compassion with which the story was told in the podcast.
Speaker 5: Just the the level of concern for the gentleman to
Speaker 5: help him get over that. I mean that that has
Speaker 5: a way of being pretty traumatic.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And uh, and just the way they wanted to
Speaker 5: help him but didn't push him, but created a really
Speaker 5: safe environment for him to to kind of get get
Speaker 5: past that. I thought, I thought that was really neat.
Speaker 5: That really spoke to me.
Speaker 1: So David Joy, he's the he's the guy that told
Speaker 1: that story. David Joy. He is a award winning novelist.
Speaker 1: And uh, I love it when he talks because you
Speaker 1: would never you would never guess that he has a
Speaker 1: real he has a real appalatch and cool accent. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he just got off of European book tour. His books
Speaker 1: are really famous in France. I mean they're they're they're
Speaker 1: they're they're they're famous here. He does well here, but
Speaker 1: his his he sells. I don't know this, he didn't
Speaker 1: tell me this somehow I've read this, but in France
Speaker 1: he has a huge following. So he just got back
Speaker 1: from France. But like I said, he's like as country
Speaker 1: as cornbread. And uh, anyway, David, he's a cool guy.
Speaker 1: But I have several of his books. This one's called
Speaker 1: When These Mountains Burn. They're a little dark, a little dark.
Speaker 4: Uh Yeah, him telling that story, he sounded country, I mean, sounds.
Speaker 2: An old country boys telling.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's a he's a neat guy, a neat guy, Uh,
Speaker 1: which one stood out? Who wants to go next?
Speaker 8: Then?
Speaker 1: Which one do you like?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I liked Jim's story.
Speaker 8: He just I don't know when I when I heard it,
Speaker 8: I'm like, oh, that's a tear drinker, you know, finding
Speaker 8: his dad's journal and.
Speaker 1: Like Russ Arthurs.
Speaker 7: Yeah, like, I just I don't know.
Speaker 8: And it actually made me tell John that, you know,
Speaker 8: I know, for me, like I've had a lot of
Speaker 8: first hunts, you know, just like doing all different types
Speaker 8: of hunting, and I'm like, I really need to write
Speaker 8: these things down because like even in the moment, you know,
Speaker 8: it's so exciting, but then you know, as years passed,
Speaker 8: you forget stories. And so I'm like, how cool would
Speaker 8: it be to have a journal and just have all
Speaker 8: your you know, hunts and different things, and then have
Speaker 8: your kids be able to read it and go back.
Speaker 8: And yeah, I feel like I'd be the same way
Speaker 8: as him, Like I might start reading then and be like, Okay,
Speaker 8: I need to save this, I need to emotionally prepare
Speaker 8: myself and get away and you know, read it.
Speaker 7: But that was just really yeah, it was definitely a two.
Speaker 1: I think he said there were seventy two books.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, same journals.
Speaker 6: Yeah, goodness, can you.
Speaker 1: And what stood out to me about that is that,
Speaker 1: I mean his dad, like Russ is probably in it's
Speaker 1: in his sixties. Russ Arthur's in his sixties sixty four?
Speaker 4: About what he said, did he say sixty, Well, he
Speaker 4: said when he was born in Yep, Yep.
Speaker 1: I was going to say probably mid sixties. So his dad,
Speaker 1: his dad probably would have been born in the early
Speaker 1: forties or late thirties, something like that. I don't know
Speaker 1: when his dad was born. Point being, some of that
Speaker 1: generation was pretty Private's probably not the right word. But
Speaker 1: I can't imagine me having seventy two full journal books
Speaker 1: and my family not knowing about it. It seems like
Speaker 1: something that might from that generation have happened, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And Russ's Holy cow, I'm going to
Speaker 1: do more stuff with Russ Arthur. He is a jewel
Speaker 1: of a man, truly is. But I met him. Did
Speaker 1: it make sense how I met him? I mean, he
Speaker 1: kind of if you followed Bear Grease, I did that
Speaker 1: story on Loui Dell and Charlie Edwards from my hometown.
Speaker 1: It was so wild, But I was interviewing a law
Speaker 1: enforcement guy about Louis Dell and Charlie, these two guys,
Speaker 1: and and he said, hey, do you want to interview
Speaker 1: the undercover agent that tried to catch Louisdale? And I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, well it was Russ Arthur and he said,
Speaker 1: we lives in Tennessee, and so I remember we were
Speaker 1: we had built the episode, and then I got this
Speaker 1: intel and like the next day, I like jumped in
Speaker 1: the truck and drove to meet Russ Arthur in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: And it was spooky because Louis deal this Louis Dell's
Speaker 1: passed away. Louisdale had told people that he'd suspected all
Speaker 1: these years that this guy might have been an undercover agent,
Speaker 1: and he told people, he said that guy was the
Speaker 1: best natural voice mouth caller ever heard. And uh. And
Speaker 1: then when I meet Russ Arthur, one of the first
Speaker 1: things I said was let me hear your awl, let
Speaker 1: me hear your yelp, let me hear your gobble. And
Speaker 1: he did it all. And none of these people in
Speaker 1: my hometown knew this guy. They didn't even know he
Speaker 1: was undercover. I mean, we kind of busted his cover,
Speaker 1: you know. Twenty five years later, it was okay, but
Speaker 1: they didn't even know for sure that he was undercovered.
Speaker 1: Louis Delle just always told him. He's like, I suspect
Speaker 1: that guy. So it was just interesting. And Russ has
Speaker 1: some wild, wild undercover agent stories, like blow your mind
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But the real Russ Arthur is like
Speaker 1: a very dedicated turkey hunter, just a really good guy,
Speaker 1: really deeply embedded in Appalachia and that part of the
Speaker 1: world over there. And Russ actually hooked me up with
Speaker 1: the ninety two year old guy named Jack Hall who
Speaker 1: told the EMU story. Yeah, and so anyway, Russ super
Speaker 1: cool guy. But Russ is on the next episode two.
Speaker 1: He has a cool story of the next episode two.
Speaker 1: I was just to spoil the fun fortunate.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, I thought I did listen
Speaker 3: to that story. And when he said he didn't read it,
Speaker 3: that is not something I would have ever done, Like
Speaker 3: I thought that was Oh yeah, I thought I thought
Speaker 3: it was kind of wild. And like when he said
Speaker 3: I still haven't read it, I was like, hold hold.
Speaker 5: On, I think I would have read it too.
Speaker 3: I think I would have read it for sure, like
Speaker 3: I would have.
Speaker 1: It was ten years ago.
Speaker 8: Yeah, really, Okay, yeah, I wouldn't wait that long.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you saying that someone has like all those journals
Speaker 3: and didn't and his family didn't know it. I think
Speaker 3: that type of person would have a child who would
Speaker 3: know that there's a journal entry about his first time
Speaker 3: that he doesn't read, like I think there might be
Speaker 3: a family thing here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was kind of fascinating to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe so I think he kind of got emotionally
Speaker 6: prepare for something like that too. And I mean you
Speaker 6: could hear it in his voice, Yeah, when he said,
Speaker 6: you know, forgive me if I get choked up. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's the man emotional stuff. Man. You know, there's a
Speaker 6: bond there with your dad. You know. It's when his
Speaker 6: son and a dad that when they say something nuts
Speaker 6: about you kind of chokes you up a little bit,
Speaker 6: you know. So, and I think that.
Speaker 1: You don't care about words of affirmation, So now that
Speaker 1: matters to you, right, I.
Speaker 6: Think that's maybe why I don't care about My dad
Speaker 6: was not that way to me. I kind of learned
Speaker 6: to leave without it. So uh yeah, it definitely it
Speaker 6: eats to me sometimes, you know when I think about
Speaker 6: stuff like that, for sure.
Speaker 1: So which story stood out to you John.
Speaker 6: Honestly, I got two. Uh, I won't go too long
Speaker 6: because Josh kind of already hit on it. But that
Speaker 6: David's story, you know about his friend getting shot again
Speaker 6: John John dumping his dirty laundry out here in the
Speaker 6: on the Bear Grease podcast. But I had a friend,
Speaker 6: a good friend of mine also that got shot and
Speaker 6: killed in a friendly fire accident right in front of
Speaker 6: me in the military, the same same deployment, same thing.
Speaker 6: And uh that that's a scary thing to me, you know,
Speaker 6: to be around somebody I don't know with a firearm,
Speaker 6: you know. And it's not not that I'm scared of guns.
Speaker 6: You know that I carry them daily and you know
Speaker 6: their tools and uh, you know, responsibly used there there,
Speaker 6: that's what they're intended for. But yeah, when anytime I
Speaker 6: get around, you know, a group of duck hunters, a
Speaker 6: group of turkey hunters. If a gun is sitting on
Speaker 6: table turkey camp, like, I'm checking it, I'm looking at it,
Speaker 6: I'm making sure it's unloading. And I you know, duck hunting,
Speaker 6: I usually make sure everybody I'll watch them shoot before
Speaker 6: I'll shoot. You know, I got I got some hunting
Speaker 6: buddies that you know, they're kind of like, why are
Speaker 6: you shooting? I'm like, I'm just watching here for a second,
Speaker 6: you know, just to kind of make sure. But yeah,
Speaker 6: I I appreciated the compassion and the understanding that the
Speaker 6: wife and the friend had, uh by extending that to
Speaker 6: him and just being patient, uh to let that kind
Speaker 6: of wound heal. But I also thought about uh podcast
Speaker 6: sixty six, you know with Leon Boyd the Hicks from
Speaker 6: the Sticks, where he talks about.
Speaker 1: The number of the episode I.
Speaker 6: Wrote notes this morning. Yeah, yeah, I've been listening since
Speaker 6: day one man, so back back in the Bear Grease
Speaker 6: magazine days. So uh yeah, the quote that he said,
Speaker 6: he said, I'd rather leave this old world right here
Speaker 6: coon hunting as in the best hospital in the world.
Speaker 6: I enjoy these woods, and I like to see youngins
Speaker 6: like Shepherd enjoy hunting. There's a lot of things in
Speaker 6: this old world that ain't near clean a sport as
Speaker 6: coon hunt is.
Speaker 1: And that's a high level comment. He's taken something from
Speaker 1: episode sixty six, weaving it in episode I don't know
Speaker 1: what episode.
Speaker 6: After job, I know what episode this is too, And
Speaker 6: I got a present for y'all later that I'll show.
Speaker 1: So did you do anything like that.
Speaker 4: No, I got it up here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, uh not trying to interrupt you, John, Oh
Speaker 1: you're good.
Speaker 6: You know that that David said, you know that it's
Speaker 6: good medicine to be in the woods. And I resonated
Speaker 6: with that. You know that that's kind of where I've gone.
Speaker 6: It's to the woods, you know, and uh not not
Speaker 6: sharing my feelings all the time, and just kind of
Speaker 6: getting out there with with yourself and God and just
Speaker 6: sitting out there and being lone, you know, or you know,
Speaker 6: with a with a friend or your wife or whatever
Speaker 6: like that. And I'm at the stage of life where,
Speaker 6: uh I kind of like watching my wife do stuff
Speaker 6: and enjoy the things that I like to do, uh
Speaker 6: more than I like doing them now. And that kind
Speaker 6: of ties into my second one there with Billy Johnson
Speaker 6: and the Clay Matthews. Man, I got I got chills
Speaker 6: when I heard that. Yeah. Just so that's kind of
Speaker 6: the life that I'm looking for these days, you know, man,
Speaker 6: living off the land. Uh, simple life, you know. I
Speaker 6: just I thought it was incredible. Again it's it's woodsmanship,
Speaker 6: but you know, knowing where the mulberry trees are to
Speaker 6: uh know where to find those turkeys. You know, that's
Speaker 6: pretty neat. Watching the hornets nest to see how high
Speaker 6: they are off the ground by the winter is revenue
Speaker 6: squirrel hair. Yeah that I'd love to sit down with
Speaker 6: a fellow like that and drink a cup of coffee.
Speaker 6: I mean, like the stories that they can tell, you know,
Speaker 6: walking to sell his furs, you know, doing all that.
Speaker 6: And again, like I said, the Blue Yodeler story was neat,
Speaker 6: you know, because, like I said, you get that involvement,
Speaker 6: you know, with that animal, and it just it means
Speaker 6: so much to you. But it just you know, at
Speaker 6: the end of the day, the animals, not the killing
Speaker 6: of the animal is not not the thing for me anymore.
Speaker 6: It's just the the enjoyment of being out there. And
Speaker 6: I just I can tell from that how that guy
Speaker 6: talked about Clay Matthews, that he just he loved what
Speaker 6: he did. You know, the world changed all around him,
Speaker 6: but he didn't know any different because he just kept
Speaker 6: on doing his thing. That that says contentment to me.
Speaker 6: That says, you know that he's just okay being who
Speaker 6: he is. And yeah, that, like I said, I got
Speaker 6: I got kind of choked up thinking about that, you know, like,
Speaker 6: that's a that's a pretty good way to live.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that a lot. So, man, that story
Speaker 1: was interesting to hear Billy Johnson tell because again it
Speaker 1: was it was kind of a there's always more than
Speaker 1: what we edit down. Yeah, And he started off the
Speaker 1: story like real quick by saying, there's this old man
Speaker 1: that lived on the river named Clay Matthews. He was
Speaker 1: a lamplighter. And he starts telling me the story, and
Speaker 1: then he starts talking about the Blue Yodler and I
Speaker 1: was confused. I was like, what what about? What about
Speaker 1: the guy on the river? Like That's what I was
Speaker 1: thinking in my head as he was talking. And then
Speaker 1: he tells this turkey story and then he goes back
Speaker 1: to Clay Matthews. And by the time he's you, you
Speaker 1: realize that he he can't talk about turkey hunting without
Speaker 1: talking about Clay Matthews.
Speaker 2: Mathews had nothing to do with the Blue Yodler.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it had nothing. But in Billy's my and Billy's
Speaker 1: the older guy. I don't know, Billy's probably in his
Speaker 1: sixties too, maybe maybe older than that, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but but he he had a real he had an agenda,
Speaker 1: like in a good way, like when he started telling
Speaker 1: that story. Yeah, like the story was about Clay Matthews. Yes,
Speaker 1: there just happened to be his own personal little turkey
Speaker 1: story in there, you know. And and yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: it was really cool and the fact that we've done
Speaker 1: quite a bit of stuff on the Mississippi River. It
Speaker 1: was really cool here and about he was a lamplighter, Yes,
Speaker 1: on an island, which so the Mississippi River is they marked.
Speaker 1: They've marked the channels since the eighteen hundreds, maybe even
Speaker 1: the middle eighteen hundreds, thirty thousand dollars to conservation. Uh
Speaker 1: uh the uh yeah? Is that was that a microwave?
Speaker 6: John, Yeah, microwave.
Speaker 1: No, you're supposed to tell them it's not. People think
Speaker 1: that it's a microwave. People think we're cooking burritos. People
Speaker 1: think that I had a guy write me give me
Speaker 1: back to Clay Matthews, had a guy wrapped me a
Speaker 1: very detailed instructions. The other day, I've had to change
Speaker 1: the battery on my laptop because they thought it was
Speaker 1: a laptop. They thought it was a Garmin dog thing.
Speaker 1: Say my dog was treed. Anyway, I like it. I
Speaker 1: like it all so much. I'm just gonna let it
Speaker 1: keep beeping.
Speaker 6: Part of the DNA, just like Clay Matthews and the
Speaker 6: blue yo oldler.
Speaker 1: It's part of the big story, the beeping, mysterious beeping.
Speaker 1: They mark the channels on the river so that the boats,
Speaker 1: like the river might be a half mile wide, but
Speaker 1: maybe there's only you know, two hundred yard stretch where
Speaker 1: you could drive a big boat where it's deep. And
Speaker 1: so uh they had Kearris floating kerosene lanterns that somebody
Speaker 1: kept like for like a thousand miles up the river.
Speaker 1: And this guy, Clay Matthews was a lamplighter on Mississippi River.
Speaker 6: That's fascinating in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and lived on that island. It was cool.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we lived live on the Arkansas and so we
Speaker 6: got big barges coming up and down all the time.
Speaker 1: And you can, you like, can see the river from
Speaker 1: your house. Oh that's cool.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So that's fascinating to me. I mean, I can't
Speaker 6: can't see the bank with a nice duck duck light,
Speaker 6: you know, let alone a kerosene lantern. You imagine that
Speaker 6: that'd be wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was a good story, man. That was
Speaker 1: a that I love that. I love that story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he did a good job too of describing how
Speaker 1: he woke up the next day. It was kind of
Speaker 1: sad that he couldn't chase that turns. Yeah, which one
Speaker 1: did you like?
Speaker 4: I really liked the the one you're all were just
Speaker 4: talking about Billy Johnson and the Clay Matthews deal, all that,
Speaker 4: all that went together. When you finally got to the
Speaker 4: end of it, then you realized how all that, like
Speaker 4: you said, tied together. How Billy Johnson tied all every
Speaker 4: everything he talked about, Turkey hut, anything that he related
Speaker 4: to Clay Matthews because that was his life, you know,
Speaker 4: that's he he learned so much and picked up so
Speaker 4: much stuff from him there on the Mississippi and doing that.
Speaker 4: And then the other story I liked was, Shoot, I
Speaker 4: just forgot the guy's name, the boy Stubs, yeahs Arthur.
Speaker 2: The one Roy the one. It was the next to
Speaker 2: last story.
Speaker 1: I think it was Roy Stubs, the older guy the Mississippi.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I really liked his story, uh, because I relate to
Speaker 4: that a lot.
Speaker 1: For all the years I've been turkey hunting, missing.
Speaker 4: Some of my fondest memories missing or not getting a
Speaker 4: shot a turkey getting away.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh, I've had some really good hunts that it ended
Speaker 4: in in either a missing a shot or not getting
Speaker 4: a shot at all of the turkey. And uh, it's
Speaker 4: the same way with deer hunting too, but especially on Turkey.
Speaker 4: It seems like that you remember that stuff when it
Speaker 4: goes like you don't plan for it to go, but
Speaker 4: it still sticks in your mind. And it's a great
Speaker 4: hunt because of everything that happened through the whole episode
Speaker 4: of the hunt and everything. So those two stories, I really,
Speaker 4: I mean, they were all pretty good, but if I
Speaker 4: picked two out, there would be those two right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, that Roy Stubbs gentleman. I had never met
Speaker 1: him before that day, didn't know anything about him. I
Speaker 1: called Billy Johnson, who runs that museum, and if you're
Speaker 1: ever near Leland, Mississippi, really should go there. It's top
Speaker 1: notch for what it is. And I just said, Billy,
Speaker 1: I need turkey stories, and he said, be here at
Speaker 1: nine o'clock on this day. And I show up and
Speaker 1: he's got three guys there and one of them is
Speaker 1: Roy Stubs. So, I mean, I didn't know this guy
Speaker 1: from Adam sat down with him and it became clear
Speaker 1: real quick, like people just carry something, Like everybody has
Speaker 1: something intangible that they bring to a conversation or when
Speaker 1: they're talking about something, they just bring something. And he
Speaker 1: just had like incredible respect for the turkey. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like he he in his little preamble, I kind of
Speaker 1: asked these guys, like, give me a little bit of
Speaker 1: history about yourself and you're hunting and uh, and he
Speaker 1: and he told about when he got started and there
Speaker 1: weren't many turkeys, and then there were a lot of turkeys.
Speaker 1: And but then he said and he said, turkeys are
Speaker 1: really special and if you get to hunt one, you
Speaker 1: you should you should thank the Lord. It was just
Speaker 1: like super genuine. Yeah. I get a lot of people
Speaker 1: say stuff like that, but when he said it, it
Speaker 1: was like, I think this guy really means it. And
Speaker 1: then I thought it was really funny when at the
Speaker 1: end he said he was sure that that turkey was
Speaker 1: in Turkey Keavin, it was. He said it as a joke.
Speaker 1: He knew he was joking, but he said it. It
Speaker 1: was funny the way he said it, But he was
Speaker 1: in need. He was a neat old guy.
Speaker 4: That sounds like, yeah, he seems like he had a
Speaker 4: lot of respect for the wild turkey, I mean just
Speaker 4: as a as a game bird and out there because
Speaker 4: this way he talked about the whole episode. He talked
Speaker 4: through till the end when when he was, you know,
Speaker 4: laying on his belly and when he shot and didn't
Speaker 4: have his head down on his going good, he figured
Speaker 4: what happened, and when the turkey flew over his head,
Speaker 4: it was like this is this is don't get no
Speaker 4: better than this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, you know, I think to me, they
Speaker 1: were all they were all special. I liked that the
Speaker 1: old man, ninety two year old Jack Hall, when he
Speaker 1: had one turkey story to tell, and he actually told
Speaker 1: me a couple. I wheeled through him. But he's killed
Speaker 1: hundreds of turkeys, he really has. He there was an
Speaker 1: article about him in the National Wild Turkey Federation magazine
Speaker 1: that I read before. I just kind of saw before
Speaker 1: I interviewed him. He was Russ Art friend. But the
Speaker 1: story that he wanted to tell was about when he
Speaker 1: tricked his old brought in some Yeah. I just thought
Speaker 1: it was I thought that was a good a good story.
Speaker 1: But all those on this episode, there were quite a
Speaker 1: few older fellas other than Macy Watkins, who was, who was,
Speaker 1: Who's young? But all the old guys started. I actually
Speaker 1: had to cut it out because it you know, when
Speaker 1: you're building an episode, you don't want it to be
Speaker 1: too repetitive. But almost every one of them told me
Speaker 1: the same story. There used to not be any turkeys,
Speaker 1: and then there were, and they would talk about how
Speaker 1: their dads didn't turkey hunt because there weren't any turkeys.
Speaker 1: And then when they kind of came of age in
Speaker 1: the fifties and sixties, there started being turkeys. And then
Speaker 1: and I kind of alluded to it in the podcast
Speaker 1: and some of when I was talking, but it's it's
Speaker 1: interesting now to be a part of a turkey decline
Speaker 1: and and more there's everybody's hit a little bit different,
Speaker 1: Like the turkey decline in Arkansas pretty much shut me
Speaker 1: down for ten years. Like, uh, turkey hunton was not
Speaker 1: like my number one focus for in hunting, Like I
Speaker 1: was probably more focused on bear and deer, but always
Speaker 1: turkey hunted, and if turkey hunted every year of my
Speaker 1: life since I started turkey hunting. But like the turkey
Speaker 1: the point of this, this uh, what I'm saying here
Speaker 1: is that wildlife numbers declining actually affect people. Point being,
Speaker 1: for the last ten years, I've kind of opted out
Speaker 1: of being very serious about turkey's just because the places
Speaker 1: I used to go don't have them anymore, and so
Speaker 1: my my sons and daughters, they have not grown up
Speaker 1: with a real rich turkey story, even though we've done
Speaker 1: some pretty good youth hunting MOS been with us on
Speaker 1: some of them. But uh, it just makes you appreciate
Speaker 1: having wildlife. Yes, Like you don't realize that. I don't
Speaker 1: realize sometimes how special it is what we have in
Speaker 1: North America. I mean, we just wake up and it's
Speaker 1: like what we have. If you're in rural America and
Speaker 1: you want to hunt, you've got access. But for me,
Speaker 1: the turkey hunting decline in Arkansas as deep a dive
Speaker 1: as our turkeys took and hopefully they're coming back. I mean,
Speaker 1: it kind of takes the fire out of you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And like I said earlier, the when I first
Speaker 4: started in seventy six, there was turkeys, but there wasn't
Speaker 4: a lot of turkeys. I mean up in this area.
Speaker 4: I heard people talk about it in the Washtalls. There
Speaker 4: was a lot more mountains back then in the sixties
Speaker 4: and through the seventies, but in the in the in
Speaker 4: when I started in the in the mid seventies, like
Speaker 4: I said, you you would go out.
Speaker 2: Or see with a month long it was the full
Speaker 2: month of April.
Speaker 4: It went from April first to the end of April
Speaker 4: and whatever days you got to go hunt it. And
Speaker 4: even before seasoned scouting, you didn't hear much. But when
Speaker 4: you found a pocket of turkeys, you'd hear some goblin
Speaker 4: you could go hunt them. And there wasn't near as
Speaker 4: many hunters back then. I'd say there was probably a
Speaker 4: fifth of the hunters back when I first started, as
Speaker 4: there is now as far as hunters. But in the
Speaker 4: last what you said of manygo clay. In the last
Speaker 4: ten years, I've seen those same turkey hunting hunter numbers
Speaker 4: seem like they've declined just because the turkey population has
Speaker 4: shrunk here in Arkansas. And a lot of people say, well,
Speaker 4: you know, I ain't gonna go turkey hunting here in
Speaker 4: Arkansas because they're hard.
Speaker 2: To find, and I'm just gonna go fishing. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do this or do that.
Speaker 4: You know, Ignorant hardcore people like may I spent a
Speaker 4: whole month to chase them around, whether there's any out
Speaker 4: there or not, because I love to do it.
Speaker 2: I love the turkey hunt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I've seen the usually find something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I usually do so yeah.
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of miles under these old boots
Speaker 4: and feet in that time to find them too. So
Speaker 4: so many people got spoiled. Like I said, in the
Speaker 4: nineties and early two thousands, they didn't have to go
Speaker 4: scout unting and just go out two or three days
Speaker 4: for a season, find a few turkeys here.
Speaker 2: I'm goblin.
Speaker 4: The last few years, I've killed a couple of big
Speaker 4: turkeys that I never heard god before the season or anything.
Speaker 4: I killed the one that I've got mounted, the only
Speaker 4: turkey I've ever mounted. And the only reason I went
Speaker 4: in there is because I was deer hunting in there
Speaker 4: the fall before and I found a big, old, huge
Speaker 4: track on an.
Speaker 2: Old logging road in there.
Speaker 4: And I didn't even go back there before the season
Speaker 4: or anything. And I hadn't had no luck. I hadn't
Speaker 4: killed a bird all season. I told my wife, I said,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go back over there where I was deer hunting.
Speaker 4: I said, there, I saw a turkey track where I
Speaker 4: saw a big turkey track and she kind of laughed
Speaker 4: at me and until I come home that day with
Speaker 4: that big old bird that I've got mounted.
Speaker 6: Now, so there we go.
Speaker 8: Right on. But the challenge, I feel like makes it
Speaker 8: more exciting, I mean for me at least, because I
Speaker 8: know the first two seasons I hunted with John, I
Speaker 8: didn't get on a bird, and I think the second
Speaker 8: year actually I wasn't able to go hunting. But the
Speaker 8: third year I've spent in the one story about how he.
Speaker 7: Said, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2: Now he's like.
Speaker 7: Hunted for what twenty four days?
Speaker 1: I don't forgot, Yeah, ye, twenty one days.
Speaker 8: Okay, So I didn't hunt that long on my first turkey.
Speaker 8: But the first one that I got was like five.
Speaker 6: Yeah, six days, five or.
Speaker 8: Six days straight, and I was like so bound and
Speaker 8: determined by the end of it. And that was the
Speaker 8: other thing when Macy was talking about being just like
Speaker 8: just done and like you know, it was raining and everything.
Speaker 7: It was just the same kind of thing. But I
Speaker 7: remember like after I got that.
Speaker 8: First one, I was like, wow, like that was but
Speaker 8: you know, there was so much build up to that point, yes,
Speaker 8: and it was just like, oh wow, now that it's done,
Speaker 8: it's like, you know, it was kind of fun when
Speaker 8: it was you know, the chase, Yeah, the cat and
Speaker 8: mouse thing there for a while. But yeah, it kind
Speaker 8: of makes it more exciting though when it's not so easy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you do you call? Do you turkey call? Yeah?
Speaker 8: But I use a box call usually, but I'm going
Speaker 8: to use my sleep call from Brent that he gave me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he gave me one.
Speaker 7: Yeah he did.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, will we all go hunt anywhere other than
Speaker 1: Oklahoma or yeah.
Speaker 6: So we've had a camp, or my family has had
Speaker 6: a camp in Missouri. My great grandfather bought a place
Speaker 6: up there, I think maybe back in the thirties, and
Speaker 6: so it's been in the family for a long time.
Speaker 6: And so back in the I mean when I was
Speaker 6: a little kid, you know, probably back in ninety six,
Speaker 6: ninety seven or so, we started going up there, you know,
Speaker 6: in suburbans and you know, camping in ten and some stuff.
Speaker 6: And we had you know, two by fours nail to
Speaker 6: the trees for shelves and stuff like that. And we'd
Speaker 6: always drive past this little cabin up there and uh
Speaker 6: busted out when his floor sagging. You know, my great
Speaker 6: grandfather had built it for his ranch hand, you know,
Speaker 6: years and years ago. And so one year we went
Speaker 6: up there and I mean it rained for five days
Speaker 6: straight and everything was sopping wet. You know, our tents
Speaker 6: were soaked, you know, all clothes were soaked, and like,
Speaker 6: why why are we not sleeping up in that cabin?
Speaker 6: And you know, we had a guy from Kentucky that
Speaker 6: was hunting with us. I ain't sleeping up in that cabin.
Speaker 6: There's ghosts in there. They I can hear those chains
Speaker 6: rattling up there right now. His name is old Larry Moore.
Speaker 6: So uh anyhow, long story short, we redid the cabin
Speaker 6: and so we got a little camp up there now
Speaker 6: and that we go up there at least for a
Speaker 6: week every year. It's it's very hot.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I love I love going there. That was Yeah,
Speaker 8: the first time I went out, it was just like, Wow,
Speaker 8: it's so peaceful out here and there's I mean you
Speaker 8: can hear them gobbling all around. And that was my
Speaker 8: first like the experience of turkey hunting. But yeah, it's
Speaker 8: pretty neat.
Speaker 6: We actually have plans to go hunt with Cam, the
Speaker 6: winner of the al who is that competition. Now we
Speaker 6: we just exchanged the numbers there and uh, I think
Speaker 6: we're gonna go hit that first week season. Maybe if
Speaker 6: we get our butts kicked, we'll go to go to
Speaker 6: the place in Missouri on private and try to get
Speaker 6: a bird there.
Speaker 1: So cool, cool, Well cam has two of Josh Spillmaker's made.
Speaker 1: I'm jealous raccoons skin hats.
Speaker 6: I don't know if I got what it takes to
Speaker 6: win them. But DEMI mind, Demi, for real, you need
Speaker 6: to on it.
Speaker 1: You need to you need to train her head.
Speaker 6: She can feel it.
Speaker 2: I want.
Speaker 1: I want to hear like your your regiment for like
Speaker 1: how many al hoots a day?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go and like listening to recordings.
Speaker 6: Didn't you know what when I did that?
Speaker 1: Uh that One of the first couple of Beargrees episodes
Speaker 1: was about I think I can't remember the name of it,
Speaker 1: the thing about the thing about the thing about out hooters,
Speaker 1: and and it was about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you called me and said you want me to
Speaker 2: be on it?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, yeah, Well no, I met with a voice coach.
Speaker 1: I interviewed a voice guy that trains actors and singers.
Speaker 1: And listen to that episode listen to listen to it
Speaker 1: before yeah episode anyway. The guy I interviewed it, it
Speaker 1: was online and he he said, let me hear you
Speaker 1: al hoot, And so I owled at him and he said, uh.
Speaker 1: He said keep. He watched me and he gave me
Speaker 1: instruction of what to do and it actually helped. He said,
Speaker 1: you need to keep your tongue lower. It was from
Speaker 1: New York City. He didn't a thing about sounded like yeah,
Speaker 1: pace peconic. He uh, anyway, so you could take this serious, Tommy.
Speaker 3: This is how Clay talks to our kids.
Speaker 1: Like he don't see potentially Like he's.
Speaker 3: Having SHEP right now. He's like, SHEP, you gotta work out,
Speaker 3: you gotta like he's constantly telling what he's got to do.
Speaker 3: So he basically sees potential for you to be, you know,
Speaker 3: a legendary.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna put in the
Speaker 7: work next.
Speaker 3: Year, assignments.
Speaker 1: You got you think you got her?
Speaker 4: I told I told you when I've planned on going
Speaker 4: up there that I had had a couple of secrets
Speaker 4: I've been working on.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't show.
Speaker 4: Them while ago, Okay, okay, this year, son, all I'll
Speaker 4: say is that it took me a while to figure
Speaker 4: it out. But when you can sund like two three
Speaker 4: hours at the same.
Speaker 1: Timeloquist, Hey, let me tell you this hot tip. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll be a judge next year
Speaker 1: if we if we start getting real serious with it,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'll be a judge. But uh,
Speaker 1: I think it's a trend to start with a with
Speaker 1: a screech.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that that's the way to go.
Speaker 2: See, that's something I can't do.
Speaker 4: I've tried and tried, and I can't get that high
Speaker 4: sound out of my throat.
Speaker 6: It's kind of hard to do.
Speaker 1: I think. I think the if if cam we're here
Speaker 1: the winner, who's an incredible out hooter, Absolutely, I would
Speaker 1: say I'm more interested in the basics. I would like
Speaker 1: to hear a laugh and all that as a as
Speaker 1: like a like an afterthought, because the basic even like
Speaker 1: three note four note who't being real tight? To me?
Speaker 1: Is what makes it?
Speaker 2: The trill?
Speaker 7: Well, that's what's going to ask. Is that that important?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 7: Because for me it's hit or miss. I can't seem
Speaker 7: to can you do it?
Speaker 8: So?
Speaker 1: Sometimes though yes, sometimes, well, keep practicing.
Speaker 5: Okay, here's your Every time when I hear.
Speaker 1: That, that is something that as a judge, I'm listening for.
Speaker 1: If somebody can trill.
Speaker 6: It's like, yep, I like that. That sounds good.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do a trill some guys.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And there's times I will get it like that,
Speaker 8: and when I'm not trying.
Speaker 1: It just comes out. So you got the potential though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you gotta.
Speaker 7: Keep working, and it's good to know how to roll
Speaker 7: your rs.
Speaker 6: Like if you can roll your cars then in Spanish,
Speaker 6: so I use my ute.
Speaker 1: Can you can you trill?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, I can't. I need to drink of water here.
Speaker 3: It's pretty good, pretty good. This is what it's like.
Speaker 3: Just like waking up in April at our house. You're
Speaker 3: first stressful if you're not a morning person, playing bear,
Speaker 3: going back and forth.
Speaker 7: I feel that I'm not a morning person.
Speaker 8: It was just funny because he always would make fun
Speaker 8: of me, saying that I was a night out or
Speaker 8: like you know, it would be when we were first married,
Speaker 8: like I'd be wanting to have a conversation late at night.
Speaker 7: He's not a night out, He's a morning person.
Speaker 8: He would joke and say ten o'clock time to talk,
Speaker 8: like I was just like that, and I'm like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 8: my mind is like full deep conversations.
Speaker 1: Can we do this in the morning coffee when I'm ready.
Speaker 6: I'm ready to go at five, you know, so I think.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to talk anytime, right, Misty.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean Clay falls asleep in like thirty seconds
Speaker 3: and I'll be like, hey, by the way, I mean
Speaker 3: to me, we haven't disengaged from our last conversation. And
Speaker 3: he'll be asleep and I'll say hey, by the way,
Speaker 3: He's like, oh my gosh, you just woke me up
Speaker 3: from a dead sleep. And I'm like, there's no possible
Speaker 3: way I could be in a mild sleep, much less
Speaker 3: a dead sleep at that time. Hey, I've got a
Speaker 3: funny sweet for Josh because he was talking about Macy
Speaker 3: with her her flies. Clay Bear told me this week
Speaker 3: he said I need to I need to go to
Speaker 3: work making some flies and I said yeah. He said,
Speaker 3: I'm wanting to put in some special edition Tim flies.
Speaker 3: Tim is our squirrel dog, and he plucks hair from
Speaker 3: Tim to make.
Speaker 1: Animals. Animal He's like, I need to make sure.
Speaker 3: See that.
Speaker 1: Well know, it is.
Speaker 3: Okay, just Bear's been flying ties.
Speaker 6: Flying TI time.
Speaker 5: Can't ever say it right the first time says Oh
Speaker 5: you're gonna go fly some ties?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Second, yeah, that does sound like a T shirt.
Speaker 1: Well I've I'm going to Mississippi next week again.
Speaker 7: Awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, looking for the Mississippi turkey population.
Speaker 1: Way better than here. It's better, Okay, it's better. Hey,
Speaker 1: if this is for all the folks out there, if
Speaker 1: you are well, if you live anywhere in the world,
Speaker 1: you could come to the Meat Eater Live Tour, which
Speaker 1: starts on April to twenty third and runs through May
Speaker 1: the fifth. But we'll be out west, and man, it's
Speaker 1: wild that meat eaters never come to the South for
Speaker 1: a live tour or the Midwest on a live tour. No,
Speaker 1: Kansas City. Yeah, but they're gonna, they're gonna. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be in Arizona, California, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, Utah.
Speaker 6: How long is the drive to Washington.
Speaker 1: I'll come see you long ways. But you can buy
Speaker 1: you can buy tickets to the Meat Eater Live Tour
Speaker 1: right now, and uh, it's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: So don't you think they should go? Josh I think
Speaker 1: they should. Yeah, just if they're you know, if you're
Speaker 1: within I would say, if you're within fifteen hours drive
Speaker 1: of there, you should go. Absolutely, no question. It's a joke.
Speaker 6: Misty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I meet your live tour. The other thing that
Speaker 1: you can check out is Brent Myy's Mississippi River Expedition film,
Speaker 1: which watch watched it.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I've been on vacation.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, I immensely enjoyed that. That was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it really one hundred and fifty miles in a boat,
Speaker 6: two hundred fifty miles. I needed a vacation from.
Speaker 1: Come on, Josh, you look like you're looking for something.
Speaker 3: They were They were in Dallas.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, in twenty.
Speaker 2: Nineteen, she's proven you wrong.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's all.
Speaker 3: I'm just doing some research.
Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, they were in Dallas just doing Don't
Speaker 1: go Toe to Toe with dog? DEMI? Do you want
Speaker 1: to you want to hiss with a fiddle tune?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, absolutbsolutely. I gotta I gotta follow the
Speaker 1: leader of your husband here, he's saying you should do it.
Speaker 6: Uh huh, she's good at it.
Speaker 3: Let's hear it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very Yeah, can you get it for you?
Speaker 8: John?
Speaker 6: I love to we need to use it.
Speaker 3: We've not had a while.
Speaker 7: Now, what kind of I wish I wasn't alone in this.
Speaker 5: Listen you played the fiddle and off the violin, well,
Speaker 5: well both, I was.
Speaker 7: I was classically trained.
Speaker 8: So but I had a friend in high school that
Speaker 8: actually he approached me, handed me a CD. He was
Speaker 8: real introverted, but I'm real smart. He just started playing
Speaker 8: the banjo one day and he handed me a CD
Speaker 8: of like fifty songs and he said.
Speaker 7: You need to listen to these and learn them because
Speaker 7: we're going to start a bluegrass band.
Speaker 8: Okay, I said, I don't know about that. I'm not
Speaker 8: I don't I don't really play. He's like, well, you're
Speaker 8: gonna love it. It's gonna be great, And so we did.
Speaker 8: We had a blue grass band and your Tree Redemption,
Speaker 8: and I loved it. It was the most fun actually
Speaker 8: that I play to music.
Speaker 7: So I don't know if this is even in tune.
Speaker 1: So you can take your time. We can edit it
Speaker 1: out if you need a minute. So what is the
Speaker 1: I think I know the answer to this, but maybe
Speaker 1: not everybody does. Tell us the difference between classical violin
Speaker 1: and fiddle.
Speaker 8: It really comes down to style mostly, but there are
Speaker 8: things that you can do to adjust the instrument to
Speaker 8: kind of make it more, you know, lean more towards
Speaker 8: like that's.
Speaker 1: There's something you can do to the instrument, or it's
Speaker 1: the it's the cadence and the style of playing it.
Speaker 7: Like, yeah, the bridge has.
Speaker 8: Something to sometimes people will have different levels of the
Speaker 8: bridge and then also a lot of fiddle players I've
Speaker 8: talked to have like steel strings. Okay, so but for
Speaker 8: the most part, I mean, it's it's basically the same instrument.
Speaker 1: Okay, man, Just think if if we all practice a song,
Speaker 1: we could play meanful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, we should have. We should have. We
Speaker 3: should have talked, we should we should have played next
Speaker 3: time public?
Speaker 1: What are you gonna play?
Speaker 3: Unbear?
Speaker 7: I don't know, I might play.
Speaker 1: You don't know old slew Fo do you that song?
Speaker 7: Don't?
Speaker 1: Okay, don't worry about it.
Speaker 7: Trying to think of something that I could just play
Speaker 7: by heart.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't that.
Speaker 1: Very rough.
Speaker 6: I don't want to ol hoot.
Speaker 7: I'm very rusty.
Speaker 8: I played for a long time and then I put
Speaker 8: it down and didn't play it for a long long time.
Speaker 1: So right, that's awesome. It was a very good You
Speaker 1: got another one?
Speaker 7: I don't know. I don't know if I can come
Speaker 7: up with you can't.
Speaker 1: Come up with another one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's great. Well I could come up with one.
Speaker 1: But do you play anything? John?
Speaker 6: I don't calls Turkey calls.
Speaker 7: He played mandolin.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was kind of one of those deals.
Speaker 7: He wanted to play banjo.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Sorry, Mom, if you're listening to this, I doubt it
Speaker 6: was kind of one of those deals. It was pushed
Speaker 6: on me when I wasn't ready for it. I just
Speaker 6: kind of didn't like it too much. But I wish
Speaker 6: I could play the guitar. Really. I like to sing
Speaker 6: and uh, you know, make up make up my own
Speaker 6: words to stuff, you know, and tunes and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: So that's pretty neat. That's why I like uh oh,
Speaker 6: Hawking Horse. When he did that Arkansas Mule, Yeah, it
Speaker 6: was neat, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he released it today.
Speaker 1: He was releasing it on April nineteenth.
Speaker 3: Okay, I got something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thank you, Thank you for playing. That was awesome.
Speaker 1: That was awesome. Thank you guys so much for coming.
Speaker 6: Yeah for you too, before, but waiting around here, you
Speaker 6: want to.
Speaker 1: Bring us any gifts? Brought myself gift.
Speaker 6: Enough in itself. All right? I got one of these
Speaker 6: for each yell and I got one extra one. They're
Speaker 6: all unique rendered boy Brent, since he didn't show up,
Speaker 6: you know, show today?
Speaker 3: Is this the one that incorporates the number?
Speaker 1: This is? It's wrapped in taper.
Speaker 6: Take a guest to what you think it is?
Speaker 2: Because I've made him?
Speaker 6: Have you made you know what it is?
Speaker 1: Holy cow?
Speaker 6: Have you made?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 6: Edition five of five?
Speaker 1: Wing bone call? That's awesome? Wow episode? Look dad, gun,
Speaker 1: that's a big time.
Speaker 6: There we go, okay, and now so look on the
Speaker 6: other side of that. It is b B three three?
Speaker 1: How many black three?
Speaker 6: That's that's the that's the yield yell three.
Speaker 1: That's a ton of work. That sounds good.
Speaker 3: That sounds that sounds really good.
Speaker 1: Man, that's work.
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 1: This is awesome?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 6: Is the open yours? Will yelp?
Speaker 1: That's gonna hang here in the office. Man, it's beautiful paper.
Speaker 3: Did you wrap this?
Speaker 7: Thank you?
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to expect on this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because really good. Hard to get that down, isn't it.
Speaker 7: You might have to cut it.
Speaker 3: I'm not as good I got bucket if you need,
Speaker 3: probably not as hard as.
Speaker 2: Back in the seventies.
Speaker 6: I started doing them about five years ago. It was
Speaker 6: beautiful and so those those are off.
Speaker 1: Of ohy feather did you know that's awesome? Those are beautiful.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, the tail feathers of the Mallard.
Speaker 7: Mallard with the turkey. But then I had to throw
Speaker 7: in some o.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 7: Some Mallard curls in there.
Speaker 2: I'll get along with this this year.
Speaker 6: But if you, if you would, i'd appreciate. Hold them
Speaker 6: right out from him, I'd be I'd be real happy
Speaker 6: for you if you did, I'd be happy for you. Anyways,
Speaker 6: if you didn't use it, So yeah, if you want
Speaker 6: to use it and hang them up.
Speaker 1: Displayed somewhere prominence. Look, John, this this call right here
Speaker 1: is my dad's old call. That's neat that uh just
Speaker 1: ever since I was a little kid, my dad always
Speaker 1: had that one, and he showed us how to use
Speaker 1: it and everything. And I nabbed it from him a
Speaker 1: few years ago and said, that's going in the museum.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that it's a different sound in the woods.
Speaker 6: You know something I was going to say, uh, when
Speaker 6: you were talking about that out hooton episode. I remember
Speaker 6: staying up late late when David Letterman was on TV
Speaker 6: and listening to Preston Pittman and like two other guys
Speaker 6: he had on there doing the Goblin and stuff, and
Speaker 6: I remember thinking, like, I can do that, you know,
Speaker 6: and so it's it's neat. I just story.
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, thank you guys for coming, Thanks everybody
Speaker 1: for listening, and we will see you next week