WEBVTT - Ep. 200: BEAR GREASE [RENDER] - New Saddle and Owl Hootin’ 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.239 My name is Clay Nukleman. This is a production of 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:21.400 the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:25.760 we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:30.560 of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:35.360 F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.559 that's designed to be as rugged as the place. As 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:46.040 we explore. Well, I'm very tempted to podcasts out of 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:50.360 my new saddle, very very tempted. I didn't want to 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:54.680 start off, so I have in my office. You guys 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:59.880 were at the Black Bevenanza. Sir a man named Coult George, 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:04.440 custom saddle maker, third generation custom saddle maker from Wyoming, 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.679 who I had met one time in Wyoming. Just shook 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.360 his hand, just he was like, Hey, my name's Colt George. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.440 I met him and his dad. He's a third generation 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:19.080 saddle maker. His dad makes saddles, his grandfather makes saddles. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.640 Colt's probably like, I don't know, his mid twenties, maybe 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:25.480 late twenties. Yeah, he and his When he saw me 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:27.880 in Utah, he said, hey, clam coming to the Black 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:31.360 Bear Bonanza. And I was like, cool man, And he said, 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:34.920 I have something I want to give you. I was like, great, great, 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.760 look forward to getting it. You know, people bring me 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.160 books or just different stuff all the time. So I 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:42.520 was grateful, but I didn't think too much about it. 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.120 Did you know at the time he was a saddle maker. 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:51.160 No, no, no. So then at the Black Bear Bonanza, I 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:53.800 see him and he's wearing a big cowboy hat and 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.640 he's and I recognize and I'm like, hey, man, yeah, 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.040 I met you. And he comes up to me and 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:03.440 he's like, hey, sometime today you need to come out 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:07.440 to my truck. And I was like, okay, and uh, anyway, 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.200 long story short, I went out to his truck at 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.480 the very end of the day and he pulls this 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:12.079 saddle out. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:16.160 Okay, and that's what you want to do. This is 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.680 how you want to play. Is now in the saddle. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.240 I'm in the saddle and he gave me in this 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:25.160 saddle stand and uh, this is what they call their 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:26.120 hunting saddle. 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:28.040 It's super super. 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.040 It has on the saddle horn, it's got an acre 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.960 and it's got four bear tracks. It's got a BG 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.880 right here, it's got an out a barred ol feather, 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:40.200 and it's got on the back of the gro the 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.760 back it has it has a plot hound tree and 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:49.720 but uh, anyway, it's very fancy and I. 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.120 Don't think any of us could take you podcasting. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:54.560 Well, I think that would be too much for the room. 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:59.960 I will probably do a lot of podcasting. He wants 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:01.799 me to use it, like he's like, Clay, this is 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.280 a saddle I want you to use. But it's just 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.560 so pretty. It's just sitting here in the office. So 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.960 that's that. We have a very a great crew of 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.280 people here today. I've got to my right, my brand 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:17.280 new saddle to my brand new saddles right, Josh Lambridge, 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.640 Spilmmaker and very special guests who we've not had on 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.959 here before. We got to skip them first, skipping over 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.959 the very special guests to another very special guests, so 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:32.280 less special guests. Mo Shepherd. Everybody knows Mo. Moe is 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:36.360 my go to man for turkey stories. Dear stories are 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.000 hillbilly stuff, yea. 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:40.600 Mater stories, mountain lion stories. 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.320 Whatever you want that you got it all. 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:43.920 If I ain't got them, I'll make one. 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:48.480 Mister, did you know that Moe's Let me just tell 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.600 this story, Mo, can you correct me when it's wrong? 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:55.160 Moe's great great grandfather who There is a mountain named 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:59.080 after that's on like a topo map over here, named 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:03.200 after They were killed by Union bushwhackers under a bluff 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:04.240 during the Civil War. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:06.920 Yeah, I don't know if they were Union bushwhackers, but 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.960 they were bushwhackers. Most bushwhackers weren't for either side. They 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.880 were just they were just out there self serving rob 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:15.360 pilfer and steel and get whatever they could get. 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:16.000 Got it. 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:17.480 Oh wow, I did not know. 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.200 So he had gone to meet his two sons that 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.920 were on a furlough to come home for a few days. 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:25.120 So I don't know where they'd been fighting, but they 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.120 were on a furlough to come home for a few days. 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.560 And he, however, they got their notes to each other 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:34.000 by someone an other or however, they were going to 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.359 meet at a bluff a few miles from where he 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.320 was living at where he'd homesteaded up there. 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.279 And he went and met him, took. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.040 Him some food and some more clothing and stuff, and 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.520 they visited a while, and he got ready to leave 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.440 and said, you know, we'll see you if when when 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:50.960 you get out of the war, when the war's over, 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.680 probably before I'll see you again. He walked out from 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.640 the bluff, walked up on top and the bushwhackers shot him. 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.680 Wow, and run down and grabbed his stuff and took 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.120 off with whatever he had left. And then. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.880 His two sons got out and found him and he 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.120 was still loud. They took him to his wife and 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:12.920 his daughter back by their house and they cared for him. 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.320 And the boys took out after the bushwhackers and found 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:17.760 them both and killed them both. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:22.400 So wow, wow, do you know exactly where that happened? Yeah, 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:24.640 I mean you know the bluff. 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.200 I meant a picture of the bluff with my dad 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:28.320 satting under it and. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.599 Really on my phone. So this mountains, I mean Shepherd 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:38.080 Mountain and Moe was raised up there and really unique. 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.960 History and him and his brother when they first came 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.560 in in the I think it was in the eighteen 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.320 thirties or something like that. They first place they settled 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:52.040 was down on the Frog Bayou and they found a 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.400 spring there in that place is still called Shepherd Springs. 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:56.160 Yeah, there was a lake there. 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.919 Now they combined that lake with the Lake Fort Smith, 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:01.480 but it still has a lot of stuff in the 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.159 lake fourth miss State Park about the Shepherd Springs and 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.320 my great great grandfather settling there with other people, and 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.800 then his brother stayed there, and then he moved up 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.920 into the mountains and home stated up there, and that's 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:13.679 how it got the name Shepherd Mountain. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.960 So yeah, let's just say that you don't stumble on 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:18.400 most Shepherd's house accidentally. 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:22.479 No, no, you don't know. We're still in introductions though, to 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:27.280 Moe's right, my lovely life, doctor, mister newkem so great 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:27.760 to have you. 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:28.880 Good to be here. 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:35.200 Our special guests though, John and Demmy whitting Hill from Oklahoma, welcome. 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.599 I think we should have them, you know, make a 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.080 random animal sound just to We're going to. 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:46.400 Say that I've met John a couple of times. Y'all 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.520 came to the Warner Glenn film premiere, and then I 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.120 met you just recently at the Black Bear Bonanza. Saw 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:57.919 you again. And John, you work for Oklahoma is It 0:06:58.000 --> 0:06:58.880 Game and Fish. 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.640 Oklahoma Compartment Wildlife Conservation. 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.640 Okay, okay, but the real reason you're here is because 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:06.320 of your wife. 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.000 That's right, Demmy more famous than me. 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:14.320 Demmy, can you a greet everyone? No? No, no, I just 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:15.600 say hello. 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.520 Oh hi, everybody. 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.040 So Demmy was both of you guys were in the 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:26.040 al Hut competition yes, sir and U. But there was 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.600 a video of Demmy that I put out, Yeah, that 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.440 I got from one of your friends had taken that video, 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:34.120 I think. 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:37.120 Yeah, our pastor's wife actually she recorded it. She was 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:38.720 there and okay, send it Tommy. 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.480 So I put that video on my Instagram and it 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.640 has one point three million views. No, I've never put 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.120 a picture of video of you. Now we got one 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:49.600 point three million views. 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.160 I don't know if you've ever put a picture of 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:51.720 me on there or not. 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.120 You probably have to get you some long blonde hair 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:54.960 before that. 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.280 For a long time, Tho Shepherd. I don't know why, 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.760 but his picture was Clay's screen. Say it was mow 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.560 and do you remember that? Oh yeah, it was like 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.720 Clay put it up when he was first doing Arkansas 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.880 Black Bear Store, and he saved it to us. He 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.120 probably didn't know. He probably did it on accident and 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.280 then never changed it. And so for years the kids 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.920 would be like, look, there's most every time clayve would 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:19.280 open up his. 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:22.040 Laptop, it was a really good picture you with a 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:24.440 with a bear, or that you killed with a pistol. 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:25.200 Yeah, there we go. 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.080 Any presentations he did. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.760 No, So so what do you do for the Department 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.760 of Wildlife in Oklahoma. 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.920 John, I'm an intern right now. So it's basically just 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.640 kind of like interning for a technician role, so running tractor, 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.560 you know, playing food plots and doing control burns, any 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:48.000 kind of habitat, manipulation, just stuff like that. So the 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:48.640 road greater. 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:50.040 He got a real job. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.920 Yeah, it sounds like a real job. Do you do 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.560 you want to you wanna be in? You like working 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.000 for I mean. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.319 Is it? Yeah? Yeah, a good job. It's great. Man, 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.720 Like I said, Demi and I and my family ran 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.240 a business for about eight years that we had and 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.040 that my dad left to us when he passed away. 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.959 And it's been been a refreshing change, you know, to 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.320 get out and just kind of be out and outside. 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.320 That's where I like to be, you know. I always 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.000 My mom handed me some papers, you know, a couple 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:19.800 of months ago and she said, here, these are from 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:23.240 you know, homeschooling way back in the day. And you know, 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.200 I went through there and looking at them and stuff, 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.200 and it was like fishing, wildlife biologies just circled, game 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.600 warding circled, you know, just military circled, you know, And 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.319 so I did the military thing, you know, coming out 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:38.440 of high school and ended up getting hurt overseas, and 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.680 then you know, that kind of changed the trajectory of 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.960 some of what I had planned. And so you know, 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:48.560 now twelve or thirteen years later, I'm starting over and 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:52.120 probably going back to school for wildlife biology. That's awesoe. 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:53.640 I'm gonna give a shot. Man. I'm not much of 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:55.839 a school person. I'm more of a hands on you know, 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.880 like working with my hands, you know, running machines. I 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:00.640 did heavy equipment school, you know, when I went through 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.640 Votec and stuff like that, and run a bulldozer. I 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:08.080 know everybody's a big fan of class bulldog. Yeah, I've 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.920 got one. If you ever want to come running, you 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:12.959 have one yourself. I do certainly. 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:13.920 I like it. 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:14.600 I do well. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:15.680 I wouldn't let him drive in. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.680 Okay, there we go, funny store. I had a big 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.640 rat up under the seat the other day and it 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:22.840 made me hit my head on the ceiling. Come up 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:24.400 out of there. I sat down and he come out 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:26.520 by my side, and boy, I shot out that thing 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.160 pretty quick, So I didn't want that crawling in my lap. 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:34.199 But uh yeah, anyhow, where were you deployed in the military, 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:35.200 if you don't mind me asking. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.240 Yeah, Afghanistan. So that was back in twenty eleven. 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:40.520 Yeah, really really how long were you there? 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.559 About six months? So you know, I got six months 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.560 in and uh came back from leave for my sister's 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.000 wedding and stuff like that, and hit a hit an 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:55.200 I d over there and uh kind of a big deal. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:59.120 Uh you know, broke my back and collar on shoulder 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.000 bust a few two and a couple of my good 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.000 friends you know, died as well, uh in that accident. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.440 So I'm not an accident, but uh, you know, wow, 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:09.920 an ID explosion. Wow, so one guy, one of the 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:13.319 guy made it out, you know. Yeah, definitely at nineteen 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.160 that kind of ship board a little bit. 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:15.280 You know. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.800 So yeah, I didn't. I didn't know that about you. 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.000 It's not something i'd really share a whole lot, you know. 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.440 Like I said, I'm open to sharing it. Obviously. Now 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:24.840 everybody's gonna know about it, but. 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:26.800 That's fine, and we can take it off if you want. 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:28.960 No, No, no, that's fine. Like I said, I'm I'm 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.240 an open book man. Anything anything you want to know, 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.240 just ask, Like I said, Uh, I'm happy to happy 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.560 to share, you know. I just I want people to 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.560 I don't want to be strutting around like it like 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:43.520 I did something. I knew what I was signing up for. 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.080 You know, when I when I volunteered, nobody knowing me 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.280 put a gun to my head to force me to go. 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:50.720 You know, I wanted to and I liked it, and uh, 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:53.680 you know, obviously those events, like I said, they still 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:57.600 stick with you. But I'm working on trying to get 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.280 get that figured out and do me. And I've had 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:06.200 some you know issues as far as my stuff of 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.720 being able to communicate what's going on inside my head, 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:14.200 you know, trying to be respectful of you know that 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.880 and not share too much detail. But I've got some 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.160 work I've got ahead of me still, you know. And 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.680 this I've been doing this for, you know, twelve thirteen 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.880 years now. This is back in twenty eleven. So uh, 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:31.240 it's a process. But it's good, man, that's good. So 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.680 I kind of like like where I'm man, Yeah, no doubt. 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:36.960 And did they discharge you after that? Did you get 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:40.079 honorably discharged and came back and then you took over 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:40.920 the family business? 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.240 Yes, ma'am. Were y'all married, No, we got. 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.439 We did how long. Have y'all been married six years? 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:47.040 Six years? 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.400 Okay, so the Blackbird Bonanza was actually our six year anniversary. 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:58.520 Yes me. Yeah, And now you guys are big outdoors 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.080 men and women. Absolutely dimmy. What what's what's your favorite 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.040 thing to hunt? I've seen your Instagram and I see 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:05.840 you turkey hunt, some deer hunt. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:06.920 Definitely turkeys. 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:08.040 Really yeah. 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.720 I've done a little bit of everything with him, but 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:16.760 my first successful hunt was with turkeys, and I was hooked. 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.319 Did you grow uphunting or did did John take you? 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.960 I didn't, I but I always had a desire to. 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.120 It's kind of weird. My parents never really understood why. 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.959 I always had a fascination for hunting, and I always 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:29.080 wanted somebody to take me. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.120 And here comes John. 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:33.600 We had known each other. 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:38.760 Since yeah, and his sister actually saw a picture of 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.800 me with a fish I was bass fishing with my 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:42.920 dad and I said, yeah, and now I just need 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:44.959 somebody to teach me how to hunt. And she said, well, 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.439 I know a guy, and she you know, tagged him. 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:48.320 He didn't say anything. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:49.959 It took John. 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.920 Yeah, I'm a slow learner. I'm the I'm the subordinate 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:59.800 gobbler off to the side, in the back door strutting 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:00.959 turk could get shot first. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.400 Yeah, so yeah, it took a little while. 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.400 But then and I think at first maybe he thought 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.080 and a lot of other people thought, Oh, she's just 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:10.240 doing this because. 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:10.920 They're dating or whatever. 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.000 I'm like, no, I really, I'm really interested and i'd 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.640 really like to know, you know, the ins and outs 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.480 of hunting, and but yeah, turkey hunting out of I 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.280 think turkey hunting and then duck hunting is probably my 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:22.200 second time. 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:26.200 Okay, big waterfowlers, I am. I was ate up with 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.080 it pretty bad for a couple of years there, and 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:29.800 I still am. Like I said, I love to go. 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.560 It's the it's the thrill of the hunt man. It 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.880 gets me. I like birds. So, you know, I like 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:37.880 shooting deer, but you know, I don't I don't shoot 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:39.320 big deer. You know, I don't know how to kill 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:40.600 big deer, but I do know how to kill ducks 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:44.120 and turkey. Yeah, yeah, I'm just I'm just not skicky. 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.640 I guess y'all grew up in the same community in 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:48.359 Oklahoma kind. 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:49.120 Of when we were little. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:53.760 We yeah, we our families were connected at church and so, 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:58.200 and I stayed in contact with his sisters when my family, 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.400 when I was a teenager, we moved to the East Coat, 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.560 so we stayed in contact just through I. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:07.800 Assume you mean the east coast of Lake Worcester. The 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:09.960 east coast of the US was a joke. That was 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:15.040 a joke. Come on, that was funny. That was a 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:20.920 micro geography joke. The east coast of Lake Worcester over 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.520 there where they live, sort of close east coast, the 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.680 east coast of the US. Yep okay. 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:28.520 So that's how we stayed in contact. 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:32.960 And then I can't I remember his sister's wedding and 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.800 him being there coming back from overseas, and he was 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.080 just a wallflower. He just was on the side and 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.160 I'm out there dancing with his sisters and everything. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:48.840 But but yeah, he wasn't strutting, just drumming, spitting and drumming. 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:50.960 Our parents were friends. They came up for you know, 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.560 family vacations. We you know, stayed in contact that way. 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.320 But he never I had a younger brother, and so 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.200 he would run off with my brother and play, you know, 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:00.920 when we were real little, and I would go off. 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:01.440 With a sisters. 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.240 Okay, see I kind of knew each other. Yeah, that's cool. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:05.920 We went to church. I don't know if you said 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.160 that or not, went to church together when we were 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:09.120 little kids. 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.200 At what point did you start impersonating animals? 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:15.120 Question? 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:15.960 There we go. 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:20.280 In the industry, we call it. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.240 I would dabble just because he would. 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.200 He would do it a lot, and so I would try, 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:29.160 you know, and and I would even. 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:30.560 Ask him like does that sound okay? 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:31.240 Does that sound good? 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.560 And he'd be like, that's okay. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:39.120 I'm not the most encouraging word person. Words of affirmation 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:43.800 is not my strong suit. So yeah, we're opposites in 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.120 that area. And I'm learning that everybody has their own 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.480 style and so just because it doesn't sound like mine 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:52.960 doesn't mean it's bad. 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:53.360 You know. 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.800 Now, did had you been out in the woods enough 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:57.800 to hear a bard owl? 0:16:58.480 --> 0:16:58.920 I had. 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.840 I had heard owls, but I don't know that I 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.760 heard a barred owl like I just I had. 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:06.240 I had heard them, you know, just. 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.600 Out and I've heard I've actually heard one laughing before, 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:10.160 so I did. 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.240 I had heard one like that. So I'm like, okay, 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:13.679 that's what that really sounds like. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:15.000 Have you heard her alhu yet? 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:15.200 Yeah? 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:20.240 I listened to the Okay, your alhood is so realistic, 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:25.879 Like I figured you would have like listened to a 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.399 lot of natural owls. You're saying you didn't. 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:31.840 Really, I think I blame it too on the fact 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:32.760 that I studied music. 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:37.320 Okay, okay, so maybe the earting. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:44.200 Yeah you're a fiddle player, Okay, we won't she brought 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:53.639 her fiddle? Yeah, no, for real. So I was a 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.760 judge in the contest, in the out hout and contest, 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.280 and and we're blind judges. We we don't have are 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.639 we're facing a way so we can't see or we 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:06.159 don't know who anyone is. And it was really funny 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:13.480 because I remember somebody, somebody sitting right in front of 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:18.919 me that was watching, said, man, she's good, like she 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.200 said she and I to be. I mean, I just 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.440 assumed there's all men you. I think maybe you had 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.639 said you were gonna AUHU, but it didn't register to 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:31.600 me that you were up there. But unfortunately, the guy 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.480 that won it, Cam not unfortunately s cut that out. 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:40.120 Cam is he's incredible. Yeah, one day I'll have him 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:44.360 on here. He's really really good. You were like right there. 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.800 So she ended up getting second place, which it's not 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.040 an entirely fair contest. There's just three of us setting 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:53.320 up there listening or rating them, you know. But no, 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.920 I remember being surprised when somebody said she's really good, 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.200 because I just envisioned ten men standing up there. I mean, 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:01.120 am I right? 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:01.440 Yeah? 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:02.080 For sure? 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:03.480 Yeah, I mean that's the way it's been. 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.120 You probably I shouldn't say that, all. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.240 Right, I'm yeah. 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:10.520 I told I told Cam the other day. 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:12.159 I was talking to him the other day and I 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.520 told him, I said, you just better consider yourself lucky. 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:16.520 He said, why is that, I said, because I wasn't there. 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.200 Yeah, he said next year. 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:20.360 I said, yeah, next year. 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.119