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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h

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Speaker 1: F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place. As

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Speaker 1: we explore. Well, I'm very tempted to podcasts out of

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Speaker 1: my new saddle, very very tempted. I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: start off, so I have in my office. You guys

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Speaker 1: were at the Black Bevenanza. Sir a man named Coult George,

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Speaker 1: custom saddle maker, third generation custom saddle maker from Wyoming,

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Speaker 1: who I had met one time in Wyoming. Just shook

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Speaker 1: his hand, just he was like, Hey, my name's Colt George.

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Speaker 1: I met him and his dad. He's a third generation

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Speaker 1: saddle maker. His dad makes saddles, his grandfather makes saddles.

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Speaker 1: Colt's probably like, I don't know, his mid twenties, maybe

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Speaker 1: late twenties. Yeah, he and his When he saw me

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Speaker 1: in Utah, he said, hey, clam coming to the Black

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Speaker 1: Bear Bonanza. And I was like, cool man, And he said,

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Speaker 1: I have something I want to give you. I was like, great, great,

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Speaker 1: look forward to getting it. You know, people bring me

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Speaker 1: books or just different stuff all the time. So I

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Speaker 1: was grateful, but I didn't think too much about it.

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Speaker 2: Did you know at the time he was a saddle maker.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no. So then at the Black Bear Bonanza, I

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Speaker 1: see him and he's wearing a big cowboy hat and

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Speaker 1: he's and I recognize and I'm like, hey, man, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I met you. And he comes up to me and

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Speaker 1: he's like, hey, sometime today you need to come out

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Speaker 1: to my truck. And I was like, okay, and uh, anyway,

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Speaker 1: long story short, I went out to his truck at

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Speaker 1: the very end of the day and he pulls this

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Speaker 1: saddle out.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and that's what you want to do. This is

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Speaker 3: how you want to play. Is now in the saddle.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the saddle and he gave me in this

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Speaker 1: saddle stand and uh, this is what they call their

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Speaker 1: hunting saddle.

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Speaker 3: It's super super.

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Speaker 1: It has on the saddle horn, it's got an acre

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Speaker 1: and it's got four bear tracks. It's got a BG

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Speaker 1: right here, it's got an out a barred ol feather,

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Speaker 1: and it's got on the back of the gro the

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Speaker 1: back it has it has a plot hound tree and

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Speaker 1: but uh, anyway, it's very fancy and I.

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Speaker 3: Don't think any of us could take you podcasting.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that would be too much for the room.

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Speaker 1: I will probably do a lot of podcasting. He wants

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Speaker 1: me to use it, like he's like, Clay, this is

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Speaker 1: a saddle I want you to use. But it's just

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Speaker 1: so pretty. It's just sitting here in the office. So

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Speaker 1: that's that. We have a very a great crew of

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Speaker 1: people here today. I've got to my right, my brand

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Speaker 1: new saddle to my brand new saddles right, Josh Lambridge,

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Speaker 1: Spilmmaker and very special guests who we've not had on

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Speaker 1: here before. We got to skip them first, skipping over

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Speaker 1: the very special guests to another very special guests, so

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Speaker 1: less special guests. Mo Shepherd. Everybody knows Mo. Moe is

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Speaker 1: my go to man for turkey stories. Dear stories are

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Speaker 1: hillbilly stuff, yea.

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Speaker 2: Mater stories, mountain lion stories.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you want that you got it all.

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Speaker 2: If I ain't got them, I'll make one.

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Speaker 1: Mister, did you know that Moe's Let me just tell

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Speaker 1: this story, Mo, can you correct me when it's wrong?

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Speaker 1: Moe's great great grandfather who There is a mountain named

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Speaker 1: after that's on like a topo map over here, named

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Speaker 1: after They were killed by Union bushwhackers under a bluff

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if they were Union bushwhackers, but

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Speaker 4: they were bushwhackers. Most bushwhackers weren't for either side. They

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Speaker 4: were just they were just out there self serving rob

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Speaker 4: pilfer and steel and get whatever they could get.

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Speaker 1: Got it.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, I did not know.

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Speaker 4: So he had gone to meet his two sons that

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Speaker 4: So I don't know where they'd been fighting, but they

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Speaker 4: And he, however, they got their notes to each other

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Speaker 2: And he went and met him, took.

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Speaker 4: Him some food and some more clothing and stuff, and

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Speaker 4: and said, you know, we'll see you if when when

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Speaker 4: probably before I'll see you again. He walked out from

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Speaker 2: Wow, and run down and grabbed his stuff and took

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Speaker 4: His two sons got out and found him and he

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Speaker 4: was still loud. They took him to his wife and

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Speaker 4: And the boys took out after the bushwhackers and found

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Speaker 1: So wow, wow, do you know exactly where that happened? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean you know the bluff.

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Speaker 4: I meant a picture of the bluff with my dad

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Speaker 4: satting under it and.

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Speaker 1: Really on my phone. So this mountains, I mean Shepherd

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Speaker 4: History and him and his brother when they first came

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Speaker 4: was down on the Frog Bayou and they found a

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Speaker 4: spring there in that place is still called Shepherd Springs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a lake there.

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Speaker 4: Now they combined that lake with the Lake Fort Smith,

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Speaker 4: my great great grandfather settling there with other people, and

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Speaker 4: then his brother stayed there, and then he moved up

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Speaker 4: how it got the name Shepherd Mountain.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, let's just say that you don't stumble on

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Speaker 5: most Shepherd's house accidentally.

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Speaker 1: No, no, you don't know. We're still in introductions though, to

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Speaker 1: Moe's right, my lovely life, doctor, mister newkem so great

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Speaker 1: to have you.

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Speaker 3: Good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Our special guests though, John and Demmy whitting Hill from Oklahoma, welcome.

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Speaker 3: I think we should have them, you know, make a

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Speaker 3: random animal sound just to We're going to.

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Speaker 1: Say that I've met John a couple of times. Y'all

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Speaker 1: came to the Warner Glenn film premiere, and then I

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Speaker 1: you again. And John, you work for Oklahoma is It

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Speaker 1: Game and Fish.

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Speaker 6: Oklahoma Compartment Wildlife Conservation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but the real reason you're here is because

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Speaker 1: of your wife.

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Speaker 6: That's right, Demmy more famous than me.

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Speaker 1: Demmy, can you a greet everyone? No? No, no, I just

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Speaker 7: Oh hi, everybody.

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Speaker 1: So Demmy was both of you guys were in the

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Speaker 1: al Hut competition yes, sir and U. But there was

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Speaker 1: a video of Demmy that I put out, Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: I got from one of your friends had taken that video,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, our pastor's wife actually she recorded it. She was

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Speaker 8: there and okay, send it Tommy.

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Speaker 1: So I put that video on my Instagram and it

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Speaker 1: has one point three million views. No, I've never put

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Speaker 1: a picture of video of you. Now we got one

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Speaker 1: point three million views.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever put a picture of

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Speaker 6: You probably have to get you some long blonde hair

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Speaker 3: For a long time, Tho Shepherd. I don't know why,

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Speaker 3: but his picture was Clay's screen. Say it was mow

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Speaker 3: and do you remember that? Oh yeah, it was like

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Speaker 3: Clay put it up when he was first doing Arkansas

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Speaker 3: Black Bear Store, and he saved it to us. He

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Speaker 3: probably didn't know. He probably did it on accident and

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Speaker 3: then never changed it. And so for years the kids

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Speaker 3: would be like, look, there's most every time clayve would

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Speaker 1: Laptop, it was a really good picture you with a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there we go.

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Speaker 3: Any presentations he did.

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Speaker 1: No, So so what do you do for the Department

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Speaker 1: of Wildlife in Oklahoma.

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Speaker 6: John, I'm an intern right now. So it's basically just

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Speaker 6: kind of like interning for a technician role, so running tractor,

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Speaker 6: you know, playing food plots and doing control burns, any

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Speaker 2: He got a real job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like a real job. Do you do

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Speaker 1: you want to you wanna be in? You like working

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Speaker 6: Is it? Yeah? Yeah, a good job. It's great. Man,

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Speaker 6: Like I said, Demi and I and my family ran

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Speaker 6: And it's been been a refreshing change, you know, to

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Speaker 6: That's where I like to be, you know. I always

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Speaker 6: My mom handed me some papers, you know, a couple

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Speaker 6: and it was like fishing, wildlife biologies just circled, game

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Speaker 6: warding circled, you know, just military circled, you know, And

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Speaker 6: so I did the military thing, you know, coming out

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Speaker 6: now twelve or thirteen years later, I'm starting over and

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Speaker 6: probably going back to school for wildlife biology. That's awesoe.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna give a shot. Man. I'm not much of

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Speaker 6: Votec and stuff like that, and run a bulldozer. I

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Speaker 6: know everybody's a big fan of class bulldog. Yeah, I've

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Speaker 6: have one yourself. I do certainly.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 6: I do well.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't let him drive in.

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Speaker 6: Okay, there we go, funny store. I had a big

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Speaker 6: rat up under the seat the other day and it

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Speaker 6: pretty quick, So I didn't want that crawling in my lap.

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Speaker 1: But uh yeah, anyhow, where were you deployed in the military,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Afghanistan. So that was back in twenty eleven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really really how long were you there?

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Speaker 6: About six months? So you know, I got six months

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Speaker 3: And did they discharge you after that? Did you get

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Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am. Were y'all married, No, we got.

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Speaker 1: Yes me. Yeah, And now you guys are big outdoors

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Speaker 7: Definitely turkeys.

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Speaker 8: I've done a little bit of everything with him, but

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Speaker 8: It's kind of weird. My parents never really understood why.

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Speaker 7: We had known each other.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a slow learner. I'm the I'm the subordinate

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Speaker 8: I'm like, no, I really, I'm really interested and i'd

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Speaker 6: Okay, big waterfowlers, I am. I was ate up with

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Speaker 7: Of when we were little.

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Speaker 8: We yeah, we our families were connected at church and so,

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Speaker 7: So that's how we stayed in contact.

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Speaker 8: And then I can't I remember his sister's wedding and

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Speaker 1: But but yeah, he wasn't strutting, just drumming, spitting and drumming.

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Speaker 8: Our parents were friends. They came up for you know,

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Speaker 8: But he never I had a younger brother, and so

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Speaker 6: We went to church. I don't know if you said

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Speaker 3: At what point did you start impersonating animals?

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Speaker 1: Question?

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Speaker 1: In the industry, we call it.

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Speaker 7: I would dabble just because he would.

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Speaker 7: Ask him like does that sound okay?

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Speaker 7: And he'd be like, that's okay.

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Speaker 6: I'm not the most encouraging word person. Words of affirmation

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Speaker 8: I had heard owls, but I don't know that I

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Speaker 7: I had heard them, you know, just.

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Speaker 8: Out and I've heard I've actually heard one laughing before,

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Speaker 7: I had heard one like that. So I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: Have you heard her alhu yet?

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Speaker 1: I listened to the Okay, your alhood is so realistic,

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Speaker 7: Really, I think I blame it too on the fact

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Speaker 1: Yeah you're a fiddle player, Okay, we won't she brought

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Speaker 1: Cam is he's incredible. Yeah, one day I'll have him

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Speaker 1: So she ended up getting second place, which it's not

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Speaker 1: an entirely fair contest. There's just three of us setting

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Speaker 1: I remember being surprised when somebody said she's really good,

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: For sure?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's the way it's been.

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Speaker 3: You probably I shouldn't say that, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, I'm yeah.

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Speaker 2: I told I told Cam the other day.

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Speaker 4: I was talking to him the other day and I

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Speaker 4: He said, why is that, I said, because I wasn't there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he said next year.

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Speaker 2: I said, yeah, next year.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, if was there, you know, we might not be

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Speaker 1: You know, Well it would have been a good I bet,

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Speaker 1: I bet y'all might have been the top top three.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now you were in there too, John, you were up

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Speaker 6: Yeah I got so I got into the top five, but.

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Speaker 1: You made it into the top See, I didn't even

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Speaker 3: So have enormous genetic potential.

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Speaker 6: Your children, Yeah, they're probably going to live in you know.

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Speaker 2: You know, you've probably been six if i'd been.

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Speaker 6: You know, I lost to you once before, you know,

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Speaker 1: So you were in the year before, but not them.

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Speaker 2: I remember him being there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well there I was.

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Speaker 6: I was shaking, you know, up there on stage because

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Speaker 1: mo You should go first?

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Speaker 2: You ready think I should?

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Speaker 1: You can stand that and can do whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: I can.

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Speaker 1: I can laying down, standing up, it doesn't matter, it

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Speaker 2: You have to help me back up. I get done

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Speaker 2: that far. I'm sixty three years old.

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Speaker 1: Miss Yeah, let's let's hear it. Let's hear it.

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Speaker 2: What do you want a whole.

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Speaker 1: Series or you're whatever. Here's what I've as been a

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Speaker 2: You know, think you know stuff. That's what that's right.

442
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: No, everybody, the real good people or a lot of

443
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 1: people have one thing that's real good, like they have

444
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 1: a real good laugh, or they have a real good tone,

445
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 1: or they have a real good sequence. A whole lot

446
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: of it is timing. You can have somebody that does

447
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: it good, but they're timing is slightly off. And and

448
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: so anyway, I'll be giving commentary on what you guys

449
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 1: are all good at.

450
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, mo, there you go.

451
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 1: Then very good has really good.

452
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,959
Speaker 3: Sound like a human it does like I'm watching him

453
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how are you doing that? Like

454
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 3: are you using your He's not using his throat.

455
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 6: You'd have to kill you if she's going to try

456
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 6: next year if you tell her vocal cords, so your

457
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 6: vocal that's.

458
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: It, all right, John, let's hear yours?

459
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 6: All right? Yeah, beautiful. I can't do that. The laughing part.

460
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 6: That's my Achilles heel man. I'm competitors know out there that.

461
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,959
Speaker 1: Don't show him your weakness, right, I think in the

462
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: woods you're out. It would be really good because it's loud. Yeah,

463
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: and you got you gotta do you want me to

464
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: do a loud one.

465
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 3: Super competitors like I wasn't there and I didn't know

466
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 3: you want to just do it loud?

467
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I'm just I'm just looking for positive

468
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: things to say here. Okay, no, no, that's good. All right, Demmy,

469
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: you ready.

470
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: I guess.

471
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 1: So this can't be. This can't be more nerve wracking

472
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: than al hooting in front of I.

473
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Speaker 6: Don't know, I don't know, I don't come on now.

474
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: Perfect. That was good. That was good. The the what

475
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 1: I think people were saying on the Instagram, the like

476
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: the laugh like yeah, oh yeah, good tone, good tone.

477
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 6: Does so she I think she learned that, you know,

478
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 6: from gomber Pile and Andy Griffiths show where he's eating

479
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 6: that peanut butter sandwich outside and they're trying to warn

480
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 6: Andy or when Andy's coming, you know, when they're all

481
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 6: thinking they're getting married. They said you got to keep

482
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 6: your cheeks all holler.

483
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 8: You know.

484
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 6: So I think that's where Demmy learned that.

485
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 3: Are we gonna hear Josh? Josh's musically trained.

486
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 6: Not to crack a whip, probably pretty good with whipping

487
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 6: that fly out around, right.

488
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, Clay was the first person I did not know

489
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 3: that people could I was just not at all raised

490
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 3: around outdoorsy people like like our hunters especially, and yeah,

491
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 3: and I remember Clay and I were just friends and

492
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: he went out. We were out in the woods and

493
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 3: he started doing that and I'll called back to him

494
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 3: and it was like, hands down, the coolest thing I've

495
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: ever seen a guy. I was like, that is super cool.

496
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 3: And I remember telling my friends this guy can talk

497
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Speaker 3: to animals.

498
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Speaker 1: I didn't grow up.

499
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Speaker 5: I didn't grow up hunting either, And Clay is the

500
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 5: one who taught me to hunt. And I remember hearing

501
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 5: him owl hoot yea and me thinking like, that's just

502
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 5: something that owls do, but I'll never hear it, and

503
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 5: then going turkey hunting, it was like, oh wait, there's

504
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 5: there's owls out there, and yeah, it's.

505
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 3: Super cool if you if you've had no exposure to it,

506
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: it's kind of like a different world that you're being

507
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: introduced to.

508
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's how A lot of my friends that

509
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 7: are not.

510
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 8: At all yeah the realm, they were like, Okay, what

511
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 8: is ol hooting?

512
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 6: What is.

513
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: After you had video?

514
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 7: Yeah, like I see the video, what is this about?

515
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: That's fun?

516
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 6: You know?

517
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: The best practice that I've ever had is uh is

518
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: getting the owl coming in and I know you two

519
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: have probably done it before and just getting calling with

520
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: one just like that's setting right above you. Have you

521
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: ever had them do that?

522
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 6: John?

523
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: Oh, that's that would make would probably your game next

524
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: year would probably be way better. Demmy, if you if

525
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: you could either love for that to happen or just

526
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: like listen to one online and man you can, because

527
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: I've like for me to outhou right now, it'd just

528
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: be okay. But if I was out and listening to

529
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: one and he was sitting on a limb above me,

530
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: like that's your best alhooting and then you kind of

531
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: you kind of remember it.

532
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what Bear said last year. He went out

533
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 3: in the woods and he said that just sitting there,

534
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 3: two got into a little call fest and he recorded

535
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 3: it and as soon as he said coming home, he

536
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 3: could immediately call better than just from like being in

537
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 3: the woods and just sitting underneath the tree. Well while

538
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: they were calling back and forth. It's pretty cool.

539
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bo, you heard some turkeys the other day, gobble

540
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: They're they're doing it. Huh.

541
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Speaker 2: They're they're getting started a little bit up here in

542
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Speaker 2: the mountains.

543
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, John, have you heard any gobble?

544
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 6: I got something to gobble at me on the side

545
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 6: of the road the other day. Yeah, we were driving

546
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 6: to go do a little fly fishing, and uh, it's

547
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Speaker 6: all a group of you know, about a flock of

548
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 6: about twenty turkeys and saw some little cigar butt Jake's

549
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 6: in there and started yelping at them and they let

550
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 6: loose and there I got got my fill on that.

551
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 6: So that was the first gobble of the season for me.

552
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 5: We were in Colorado last week on the way home.

553
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 5: I looked over and I was like, is that what

554
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 5: I think it is?

555
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 6: And there were probably sixty turkeys in field in Colorado. Yeah.

556
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: Where Yeah, Yeah, I'll send you a pen exactly. Yeah,

557
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: I don't mind spot burning Colorado.

558
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are the are the turkey? Is the turkey

559
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: situation in Oklahoma better than it.

560
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: Is here a little bit?

561
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: You would see him on the side of the road.

562
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say so.

563
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: So.

564
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 6: I mean when I was growing up, we used to

565
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 6: have them come up in the yard. You know, there

566
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 6: there was a group. Again, I see a group flock

567
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 6: of you know, hunter turkeys wow around our house. And

568
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 6: I mean you'd come out and we had like a

569
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 6: little center like an oval driveway, and I mean that

570
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 6: whole patch of grass would just be covered or turkeys.

571
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 7: And uh, we would see them too.

572
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's definitely changed. It's it's sad, you know, to

573
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 6: see him see them go. But I mean there's still

574
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 6: a few round, but it's not not the good old

575
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 6: days I was.

576
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Speaker 2: I started hunting in Oklahoma and eighty two yep.

577
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 4: And I haven't hundred every year out there, but I've

578
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 4: hunded a lot of years out there. And when I

579
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 4: first started hunting out there, there was a lot of turkeys.

580
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 4: I hung it in the southeastern part. I went kind

581
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 4: of central part out towards Oak Muggy and up there

582
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 4: on Honey a little bit, went Plum to the western part,

583
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 4: hunted some and I've seen it. It kind of stayed

584
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 4: stable till about two thousand and then really started to climb,

585
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 4: kind of like Arkansas did in the early two thousands.

586
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's pockets of birds still. So I mean, like

587
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 6: I said, where I work, there's birds. You know, around home,

588
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 6: you can find water and you can find the habitat,

589
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 6: you can find the birds. So it's just like I said,

590
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 6: they're a little you got to look for them.

591
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: Same way here.

592
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 4: Back in the nineties here, you could go about out

593
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 4: at any ridge or lesten off of any hollering, you'd

594
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 4: hear a turkey.

595
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: Now you have to really look for them to find them.

596
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 4: Kind of like when I started hunting tinkey's in seventy

597
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 4: six here in Arkansas, and that's what it was in

598
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 4: You had to you had to spend several days just

599
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 4: finding turkeys. Once you found them, there was positive you

600
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 4: could hunt them, but you had to spend several days

601
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: out just trying to find where the turkeys were. That's

602
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 4: kind of way it is now here in the northwest

603
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 4: part of Arkansas.

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00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: Anyways. I've heard some positive reports though coming from Arkansas

605
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: about a few more birds than there's been the last

606
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: few years. Yeah, which is good.

607
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, that is.

608
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 4: I saw more young birds this fall deer hunting and

609
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 4: stuff out where I do a lot of deer hunting,

610
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: turkey out in both and I've seen in twenty five

611
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 4: years as far as good flocks of young birds with

612
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 4: hens grouped up.

613
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: So that's good, that's good.

614
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 6: I think knocking that season date back a little bit

615
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 6: has helped. And then you know, obviously Oklahoma used to

616
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 6: be a three birds state, you know, and so they've

617
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 6: knocked it back down to one now and so I

618
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 6: think that that helps too. So yeah, and that's just

619
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 6: my opinion. That's not anything from the Wildlife Department, you know.

620
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 6: That's just yeah, me as a turkey hunter going out

621
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 6: there and I'm you know, finding and seeing some more birds.

622
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: So we started our Turkey Stories episodes. We're gonna do

623
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: probably one more. These These are some of my favorite

624
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: podcasts that would do because I get to travel around

625
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 1: and meet all these people and hear their stories. It's

626
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: it's really hard. It's actually harder than it may seem

627
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: Miss Nukem to uh go talk to somebody and get

628
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: their best turkey story that translates good on Josh will

629
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: tell you he was looking at while I was doing

630
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: some editing today, I'll talk to somebody for forty five

631
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: minutes and get one get one story. Yeah yeah, but Josh,

632
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: of all the stories that we're told today, and we

633
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: had a good sample in from we we went down

634
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: to Mississippi and then to Alabama and then to Tennessee.

635
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: So we did. We did a three state tour on

636
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: this one. There were no I don't think North Carolina,

637
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: wasn't you North Carolina? Well, I had a North Carolina storyteller.

638
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

639
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying from North Carolina.

640
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, Yeah, that's right. So it's four

641
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: stayd thing I remember dead? Yeah, which which Josh?

642
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 5: So there were two and I'll tell you one once quick.

643
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 5: Macy's story, mainly because I like the end when she

644
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 5: takes her her turkey feathers and turns them into flies.

645
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: For fly fishing. Oh really, she's quite the.

646
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 5: Fly fisher I've seen. Yeah, because she she posts a

647
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 5: lot of fly fishing.

648
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: Anybody else big follow her?

649
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: I followed her?

650
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: Did you know her before I had?

651
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 7: I mean, I just followed her on social media?

652
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, so I liked I liked that.

653
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 5: But honestly, the story that stood out to me the

654
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 5: most was the old gentleman who got shot because it

655
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 5: reminded me of when we were turkey hunting and we

656
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 5: got lost for a large number of hours and when

657
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 5: we got back to camp.

658
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: Phrase that, Josh, you were lost. No, no, not me,

659
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: but we did.

660
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 5: We found a turkey nest.

661
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: You remember.

662
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 5: That was quite a We did get lost, but it

663
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 5: was a lot of fun being out in the woods.

664
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 3: Was that with our kids? Okay?

665
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 6: Yeah?

666
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: But when we got back.

667
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 5: You remember, they a couple of guys had stopped by

668
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 5: our camp because one of the guys that that was

669
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 5: hunting with us was a doctor and uh, one of

670
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 5: Gary Newcomb's old friends, John Mesco.

671
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: And we had turkey camp. John Mesco was their dad.

672
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: Me and Josh went off and got lost the whole day,

673
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: came back to camp and they tell us.

674
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 5: And they're like, the gentleman just came by because he

675
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 5: had just gotten peppered by some some joker just saw

676
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 5: the white he was an old man, had white hair,

677
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 5: and just shot one off at him, and he took

678
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 5: seventeen pellets almost in the same place, seventeen pellets on

679
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 5: the back of his ribs.

680
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: Wow.

681
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 5: And you know, there wasn't much they could do do

682
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 5: other than, you know, just let it, let it heal up.

683
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: And uh.

684
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 5: But that I I appreciated the I appreciated the the

685
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 5: compassion with which the story was told in the podcast.

686
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 5: Just the the level of concern for the gentleman to

687
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 5: help him get over that. I mean that that has

688
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 5: a way of being pretty traumatic.

689
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

690
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, And uh, and just the way they wanted to

691
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 5: help him but didn't push him, but created a really

692
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 5: safe environment for him to to kind of get get

693
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 5: past that. I thought, I thought that was really neat.

694
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 5: That really spoke to me.

695
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: So David Joy, he's the he's the guy that told

696
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: that story. David Joy. He is a award winning novelist.

697
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: And uh, I love it when he talks because you

698
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 1: would never you would never guess that he has a

699
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: real he has a real appalatch and cool accent. But yeah,

700
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: he just got off of European book tour. His books

701
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: are really famous in France. I mean they're they're they're

702
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: they're they're they're famous here. He does well here, but

703
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: his his he sells. I don't know this, he didn't

704
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: tell me this somehow I've read this, but in France

705
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: he has a huge following. So he just got back

706
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: from France. But like I said, he's like as country

707
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: as cornbread. And uh, anyway, David, he's a cool guy.

708
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: But I have several of his books. This one's called

709
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: When These Mountains Burn. They're a little dark, a little dark.

710
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 4: Uh Yeah, him telling that story, he sounded country, I mean, sounds.

711
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: An old country boys telling.

712
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

713
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's a he's a neat guy, a neat guy, Uh,

714
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: which one stood out? Who wants to go next?

715
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 8: Then?

716
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: Which one do you like?

717
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 7: Yeah? I liked Jim's story.

718
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 8: He just I don't know when I when I heard it,

719
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 8: I'm like, oh, that's a tear drinker, you know, finding

720
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 8: his dad's journal and.

721
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: Like Russ Arthurs.

722
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, like, I just I don't know.

723
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 8: And it actually made me tell John that, you know,

724
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 8: I know, for me, like I've had a lot of

725
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 8: first hunts, you know, just like doing all different types

726
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 8: of hunting, and I'm like, I really need to write

727
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 8: these things down because like even in the moment, you know,

728
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 8: it's so exciting, but then you know, as years passed,

729
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 8: you forget stories. And so I'm like, how cool would

730
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 8: it be to have a journal and just have all

731
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 8: your you know, hunts and different things, and then have

732
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 8: your kids be able to read it and go back.

733
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 8: And yeah, I feel like I'd be the same way

734
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 8: as him, Like I might start reading then and be like, Okay,

735
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 8: I need to save this, I need to emotionally prepare

736
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 8: myself and get away and you know, read it.

737
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 7: But that was just really yeah, it was definitely a two.

738
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: I think he said there were seventy two books.

739
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

740
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: Oh, well, same journals.

741
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, goodness, can you.

742
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: And what stood out to me about that is that,

743
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: I mean his dad, like Russ is probably in it's

744
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: in his sixties. Russ Arthur's in his sixties sixty four?

745
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 4: About what he said, did he say sixty, Well, he

746
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 4: said when he was born in Yep, Yep.

747
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: I was going to say probably mid sixties. So his dad,

748
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: his dad probably would have been born in the early

749
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: forties or late thirties, something like that. I don't know

750
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: when his dad was born. Point being, some of that

751
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: generation was pretty Private's probably not the right word. But

752
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: I can't imagine me having seventy two full journal books

753
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: and my family not knowing about it. It seems like

754
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: something that might from that generation have happened, you know

755
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And Russ's Holy cow, I'm going to

756
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: do more stuff with Russ Arthur. He is a jewel

757
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: of a man, truly is. But I met him. Did

758
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: it make sense how I met him? I mean, he

759
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: kind of if you followed Bear Grease, I did that

760
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: story on Loui Dell and Charlie Edwards from my hometown.

761
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: It was so wild, But I was interviewing a law

762
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: enforcement guy about Louis Dell and Charlie, these two guys,

763
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: and and he said, hey, do you want to interview

764
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: the undercover agent that tried to catch Louisdale? And I

765
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, well it was Russ Arthur and he said,

766
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: we lives in Tennessee, and so I remember we were

767
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: we had built the episode, and then I got this

768
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: intel and like the next day, I like jumped in

769
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: the truck and drove to meet Russ Arthur in Tennessee.

770
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:31,959
Speaker 1: And it was spooky because Louis deal this Louis Dell's

771
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: passed away. Louisdale had told people that he'd suspected all

772
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: these years that this guy might have been an undercover agent,

773
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: and he told people, he said that guy was the

774
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: best natural voice mouth caller ever heard. And uh. And

775
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: then when I meet Russ Arthur, one of the first

776
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: things I said was let me hear your awl, let

777
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: me hear your yelp, let me hear your gobble. And

778
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: he did it all. And none of these people in

779
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: my hometown knew this guy. They didn't even know he

780
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: was undercover. I mean, we kind of busted his cover,

781
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: you know. Twenty five years later, it was okay, but

782
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: they didn't even know for sure that he was undercovered.

783
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: Louis Delle just always told him. He's like, I suspect

784
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: that guy. So it was just interesting. And Russ has

785
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: some wild, wild undercover agent stories, like blow your mind

786
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But the real Russ Arthur is like

787
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: a very dedicated turkey hunter, just a really good guy,

788
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: really deeply embedded in Appalachia and that part of the

789
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: world over there. And Russ actually hooked me up with

790
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: the ninety two year old guy named Jack Hall who

791
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: told the EMU story. Yeah, and so anyway, Russ super

792
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: cool guy. But Russ is on the next episode two.

793
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: He has a cool story of the next episode two.

794
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: I was just to spoil the fun fortunate.

795
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, I thought I did listen

796
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: to that story. And when he said he didn't read it,

797
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: that is not something I would have ever done, Like

798
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: I thought that was Oh yeah, I thought I thought

799
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 3: it was kind of wild. And like when he said

800
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: I still haven't read it, I was like, hold hold.

801
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 5: On, I think I would have read it too.

802
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: I think I would have read it for sure, like

803
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: I would have.

804
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: It was ten years ago.

805
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 8: Yeah, really, Okay, yeah, I wouldn't wait that long.

806
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

807
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: So you saying that someone has like all those journals

808
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: and didn't and his family didn't know it. I think

809
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: that type of person would have a child who would

810
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 3: know that there's a journal entry about his first time

811
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: that he doesn't read, like I think there might be

812
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 3: a family thing here.

813
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

814
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was kind of fascinating to me.

815
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe so I think he kind of got emotionally

816
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 6: prepare for something like that too. And I mean you

817
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 6: could hear it in his voice, Yeah, when he said,

818
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 6: you know, forgive me if I get choked up. Yeah,

819
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 6: that's the man emotional stuff. Man. You know, there's a

820
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 6: bond there with your dad. You know. It's when his

821
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 6: son and a dad that when they say something nuts

822
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 6: about you kind of chokes you up a little bit,

823
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 6: you know. So, and I think that.

824
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: You don't care about words of affirmation, So now that

825
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: matters to you, right, I.

826
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 6: Think that's maybe why I don't care about My dad

827
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 6: was not that way to me. I kind of learned

828
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 6: to leave without it. So uh yeah, it definitely it

829
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 6: eats to me sometimes, you know when I think about

830
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 6: stuff like that, for sure.

831
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: So which story stood out to you John.

832
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 6: Honestly, I got two. Uh, I won't go too long

833
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 6: because Josh kind of already hit on it. But that

834
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 6: David's story, you know about his friend getting shot again

835
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 6: John John dumping his dirty laundry out here in the

836
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 6: on the Bear Grease podcast. But I had a friend,

837
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 6: a good friend of mine also that got shot and

838
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 6: killed in a friendly fire accident right in front of

839
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 6: me in the military, the same same deployment, same thing.

840
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 6: And uh that that's a scary thing to me, you know,

841
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 6: to be around somebody I don't know with a firearm,

842
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 6: you know. And it's not not that I'm scared of guns.

843
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 6: You know that I carry them daily and you know

844
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 6: their tools and uh, you know, responsibly used there there,

845
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 6: that's what they're intended for. But yeah, when anytime I

846
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 6: get around, you know, a group of duck hunters, a

847
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 6: group of turkey hunters. If a gun is sitting on

848
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 6: table turkey camp, like, I'm checking it, I'm looking at it,

849
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 6: I'm making sure it's unloading. And I you know, duck hunting,

850
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 6: I usually make sure everybody I'll watch them shoot before

851
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 6: I'll shoot. You know, I got I got some hunting

852
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 6: buddies that you know, they're kind of like, why are

853
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 6: you shooting? I'm like, I'm just watching here for a second,

854
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 6: you know, just to kind of make sure. But yeah,

855
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 6: I I appreciated the compassion and the understanding that the

856
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 6: wife and the friend had, uh by extending that to

857
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 6: him and just being patient, uh to let that kind

858
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 6: of wound heal. But I also thought about uh podcast

859
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 6: sixty six, you know with Leon Boyd the Hicks from

860
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 6: the Sticks, where he talks about.

861
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: The number of the episode I.

862
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 6: Wrote notes this morning. Yeah, yeah, I've been listening since

863
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 6: day one man, so back back in the Bear Grease

864
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 6: magazine days. So uh yeah, the quote that he said,

865
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 6: he said, I'd rather leave this old world right here

866
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 6: coon hunting as in the best hospital in the world.

867
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 6: I enjoy these woods, and I like to see youngins

868
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 6: like Shepherd enjoy hunting. There's a lot of things in

869
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 6: this old world that ain't near clean a sport as

870
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 6: coon hunt is.

871
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: And that's a high level comment. He's taken something from

872
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: episode sixty six, weaving it in episode I don't know

873
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: what episode.

874
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 6: After job, I know what episode this is too, And

875
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 6: I got a present for y'all later that I'll show.

876
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: So did you do anything like that.

877
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 4: No, I got it up here.

878
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, uh not trying to interrupt you, John, Oh

879
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: you're good.

880
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 6: You know that that David said, you know that it's

881
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 6: good medicine to be in the woods. And I resonated

882
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 6: with that. You know that that's kind of where I've gone.

883
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 6: It's to the woods, you know, and uh not not

884
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 6: sharing my feelings all the time, and just kind of

885
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 6: getting out there with with yourself and God and just

886
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 6: sitting out there and being lone, you know, or you know,

887
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 6: with a with a friend or your wife or whatever

888
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 6: like that. And I'm at the stage of life where,

889
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 6: uh I kind of like watching my wife do stuff

890
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 6: and enjoy the things that I like to do, uh

891
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 6: more than I like doing them now. And that kind

892
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 6: of ties into my second one there with Billy Johnson

893
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 6: and the Clay Matthews. Man, I got I got chills

894
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 6: when I heard that. Yeah. Just so that's kind of

895
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 6: the life that I'm looking for these days, you know, man,

896
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 6: living off the land. Uh, simple life, you know. I

897
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 6: just I thought it was incredible. Again it's it's woodsmanship,

898
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 6: but you know, knowing where the mulberry trees are to

899
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 6: uh know where to find those turkeys. You know, that's

900
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 6: pretty neat. Watching the hornets nest to see how high

901
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 6: they are off the ground by the winter is revenue

902
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 6: squirrel hair. Yeah that I'd love to sit down with

903
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 6: a fellow like that and drink a cup of coffee.

904
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 6: I mean, like the stories that they can tell, you know,

905
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 6: walking to sell his furs, you know, doing all that.

906
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 6: And again, like I said, the Blue Yodeler story was neat,

907
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 6: you know, because, like I said, you get that involvement,

908
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 6: you know, with that animal, and it just it means

909
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 6: so much to you. But it just you know, at

910
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 6: the end of the day, the animals, not the killing

911
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 6: of the animal is not not the thing for me anymore.

912
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 6: It's just the the enjoyment of being out there. And

913
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 6: I just I can tell from that how that guy

914
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 6: talked about Clay Matthews, that he just he loved what

915
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 6: he did. You know, the world changed all around him,

916
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 6: but he didn't know any different because he just kept

917
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 6: on doing his thing. That that says contentment to me.

918
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 6: That says, you know that he's just okay being who

919
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 6: he is. And yeah, that, like I said, I got

920
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 6: I got kind of choked up thinking about that, you know, like,

921
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 6: that's a that's a pretty good way to live.

922
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that a lot. So, man, that story

923
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: was interesting to hear Billy Johnson tell because again it

924
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: was it was kind of a there's always more than

925
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: what we edit down. Yeah, And he started off the

926
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: story like real quick by saying, there's this old man

927
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: that lived on the river named Clay Matthews. He was

928
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: a lamplighter. And he starts telling me the story, and

929
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: then he starts talking about the Blue Yodler and I

930
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: was confused. I was like, what what about? What about

931
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: the guy on the river? Like That's what I was

932
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: thinking in my head as he was talking. And then

933
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: he tells this turkey story and then he goes back

934
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: to Clay Matthews. And by the time he's you, you

935
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: realize that he he can't talk about turkey hunting without

936
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: talking about Clay Matthews.

937
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 2: Mathews had nothing to do with the Blue Yodler.

938
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it had nothing. But in Billy's my and Billy's

939
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: the older guy. I don't know, Billy's probably in his

940
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: sixties too, maybe maybe older than that, I don't know,

941
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: but but he he had a real he had an agenda,

942
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: like in a good way, like when he started telling

943
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: that story. Yeah, like the story was about Clay Matthews. Yes,

944
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: there just happened to be his own personal little turkey

945
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: story in there, you know. And and yeah, I thought

946
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: it was really cool and the fact that we've done

947
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: quite a bit of stuff on the Mississippi River. It

948
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: was really cool here and about he was a lamplighter, Yes,

949
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: on an island, which so the Mississippi River is they marked.

950
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: They've marked the channels since the eighteen hundreds, maybe even

951
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: the middle eighteen hundreds, thirty thousand dollars to conservation. Uh

952
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: uh the uh yeah? Is that was that a microwave?

953
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 6: John, Yeah, microwave.

954
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: No, you're supposed to tell them it's not. People think

955
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: that it's a microwave. People think we're cooking burritos. People

956
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: think that I had a guy write me give me

957
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: back to Clay Matthews, had a guy wrapped me a

958
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: very detailed instructions. The other day, I've had to change

959
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: the battery on my laptop because they thought it was

960
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: a laptop. They thought it was a Garmin dog thing.

961
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: Say my dog was treed. Anyway, I like it. I

962
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: like it all so much. I'm just gonna let it

963
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: keep beeping.

964
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 6: Part of the DNA, just like Clay Matthews and the

965
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:36,479
Speaker 6: blue yo oldler.

966
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: It's part of the big story, the beeping, mysterious beeping.

967
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: They mark the channels on the river so that the boats,

968
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: like the river might be a half mile wide, but

969
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: maybe there's only you know, two hundred yard stretch where

970
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: you could drive a big boat where it's deep. And

971
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: so uh they had Kearris floating kerosene lanterns that somebody

972
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: kept like for like a thousand miles up the river.

973
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: And this guy, Clay Matthews was a lamplighter on Mississippi River.

974
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 6: That's fascinating in it.

975
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and lived on that island. It was cool.

976
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, we lived live on the Arkansas and so we

977
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 6: got big barges coming up and down all the time.

978
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: And you can, you like, can see the river from

979
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: your house. Oh that's cool.

980
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, So that's fascinating to me. I mean, I can't

981
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 6: can't see the bank with a nice duck duck light,

982
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 6: you know, let alone a kerosene lantern. You imagine that

983
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 6: that'd be wild.

984
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

985
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was a good story, man. That was

986
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: a that I love that. I love that story. Yeah,

987
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: and he did a good job too of describing how

988
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: he woke up the next day. It was kind of

989
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: sad that he couldn't chase that turns. Yeah, which one

990
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: did you like?

991
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 4: I really liked the the one you're all were just

992
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 4: talking about Billy Johnson and the Clay Matthews deal, all that,

993
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 4: all that went together. When you finally got to the

994
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 4: end of it, then you realized how all that, like

995
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:03,959
Speaker 4: you said, tied together. How Billy Johnson tied all every

996
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 4: everything he talked about, Turkey hut, anything that he related

997
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 4: to Clay Matthews because that was his life, you know,

998
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 4: that's he he learned so much and picked up so

999
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 4: much stuff from him there on the Mississippi and doing that.

1000
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 4: And then the other story I liked was, Shoot, I

1001
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 4: just forgot the guy's name, the boy Stubs, yeahs Arthur.

1002
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: The one Roy the one. It was the next to

1003
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 2: last story.

1004
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: I think it was Roy Stubs, the older guy the Mississippi.

1005
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1006
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 4: I really liked his story, uh, because I relate to

1007
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 4: that a lot.

1008
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: For all the years I've been turkey hunting, missing.

1009
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 4: Some of my fondest memories missing or not getting a

1010
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 4: shot a turkey getting away.

1011
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1012
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 4: Uh, I've had some really good hunts that it ended

1013
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 4: in in either a missing a shot or not getting

1014
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 4: a shot at all of the turkey. And uh, it's

1015
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 4: the same way with deer hunting too, but especially on Turkey.

1016
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 4: It seems like that you remember that stuff when it

1017
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 4: goes like you don't plan for it to go, but

1018
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 4: it still sticks in your mind. And it's a great

1019
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 4: hunt because of everything that happened through the whole episode

1020
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 4: of the hunt and everything. So those two stories, I really,

1021
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 4: I mean, they were all pretty good, but if I

1022
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 4: picked two out, there would be those two right there.

1023
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, that Roy Stubbs gentleman. I had never met

1024
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: him before that day, didn't know anything about him. I

1025
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: called Billy Johnson, who runs that museum, and if you're

1026
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: ever near Leland, Mississippi, really should go there. It's top

1027
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 1: notch for what it is. And I just said, Billy,

1028
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: I need turkey stories, and he said, be here at

1029
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: nine o'clock on this day. And I show up and

1030
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: he's got three guys there and one of them is

1031
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 1: Roy Stubs. So, I mean, I didn't know this guy

1032
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 1: from Adam sat down with him and it became clear

1033
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: real quick, like people just carry something, Like everybody has

1034
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: something intangible that they bring to a conversation or when

1035
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: they're talking about something, they just bring something. And he

1036
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: just had like incredible respect for the turkey. Yeah, you know,

1037
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: like he he in his little preamble, I kind of

1038
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: asked these guys, like, give me a little bit of

1039
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: history about yourself and you're hunting and uh, and he

1040
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: and he told about when he got started and there

1041
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: weren't many turkeys, and then there were a lot of turkeys.

1042
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: And but then he said and he said, turkeys are

1043
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: really special and if you get to hunt one, you

1044
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: you should you should thank the Lord. It was just

1045
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: like super genuine. Yeah. I get a lot of people

1046
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: say stuff like that, but when he said it, it

1047
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: was like, I think this guy really means it. And

1048
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: then I thought it was really funny when at the

1049
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: end he said he was sure that that turkey was

1050
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: in Turkey Keavin, it was. He said it as a joke.

1051
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: He knew he was joking, but he said it. It

1052
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: was funny the way he said it, But he was

1053
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: in need. He was a neat old guy.

1054
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 4: That sounds like, yeah, he seems like he had a

1055
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 4: lot of respect for the wild turkey, I mean just

1056
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 4: as a as a game bird and out there because

1057
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 4: this way he talked about the whole episode. He talked

1058
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 4: through till the end when when he was, you know,

1059
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 4: laying on his belly and when he shot and didn't

1060
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 4: have his head down on his going good, he figured

1061
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 4: what happened, and when the turkey flew over his head,

1062
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 4: it was like this is this is don't get no

1063
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 4: better than this?

1064
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, you know, I think to me, they

1065
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: were all they were all special. I liked that the

1066
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: old man, ninety two year old Jack Hall, when he

1067
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: had one turkey story to tell, and he actually told

1068
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: me a couple. I wheeled through him. But he's killed

1069
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: hundreds of turkeys, he really has. He there was an

1070
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: article about him in the National Wild Turkey Federation magazine

1071
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: that I read before. I just kind of saw before

1072
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: I interviewed him. He was Russ Art friend. But the

1073
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: story that he wanted to tell was about when he

1074
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: tricked his old brought in some Yeah. I just thought

1075
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: it was I thought that was a good a good story.

1076
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: But all those on this episode, there were quite a

1077
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: few older fellas other than Macy Watkins, who was, who was,

1078
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: Who's young? But all the old guys started. I actually

1079
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: had to cut it out because it you know, when

1080
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: you're building an episode, you don't want it to be

1081
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: too repetitive. But almost every one of them told me

1082
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: the same story. There used to not be any turkeys,

1083
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: and then there were, and they would talk about how

1084
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: their dads didn't turkey hunt because there weren't any turkeys.

1085
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: And then when they kind of came of age in

1086
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: the fifties and sixties, there started being turkeys. And then

1087
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: and I kind of alluded to it in the podcast

1088
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: and some of when I was talking, but it's it's

1089
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: interesting now to be a part of a turkey decline

1090
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: and and more there's everybody's hit a little bit different,

1091
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: Like the turkey decline in Arkansas pretty much shut me

1092
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: down for ten years. Like, uh, turkey hunton was not

1093
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: like my number one focus for in hunting, Like I

1094
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: was probably more focused on bear and deer, but always

1095
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: turkey hunted, and if turkey hunted every year of my

1096
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: life since I started turkey hunting. But like the turkey

1097
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: the point of this, this uh, what I'm saying here

1098
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: is that wildlife numbers declining actually affect people. Point being,

1099
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: for the last ten years, I've kind of opted out

1100
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: of being very serious about turkey's just because the places

1101
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: I used to go don't have them anymore, and so

1102
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: my my sons and daughters, they have not grown up

1103
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: with a real rich turkey story, even though we've done

1104
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: some pretty good youth hunting MOS been with us on

1105
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: some of them. But uh, it just makes you appreciate

1106
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: having wildlife. Yes, Like you don't realize that. I don't

1107
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: realize sometimes how special it is what we have in

1108
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: North America. I mean, we just wake up and it's

1109
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: like what we have. If you're in rural America and

1110
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: you want to hunt, you've got access. But for me,

1111
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: the turkey hunting decline in Arkansas as deep a dive

1112
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: as our turkeys took and hopefully they're coming back. I mean,

1113
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: it kind of takes the fire out of you.

1114
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And like I said earlier, the when I first

1115
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 4: started in seventy six, there was turkeys, but there wasn't

1116
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 4: a lot of turkeys. I mean up in this area.

1117
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 4: I heard people talk about it in the Washtalls. There

1118
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 4: was a lot more mountains back then in the sixties

1119
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 4: and through the seventies, but in the in the in

1120
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 4: when I started in the in the mid seventies, like

1121
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 4: I said, you you would go out.

1122
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: Or see with a month long it was the full

1123
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 2: month of April.

1124
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 4: It went from April first to the end of April

1125
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 4: and whatever days you got to go hunt it. And

1126
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 4: even before seasoned scouting, you didn't hear much. But when

1127
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 4: you found a pocket of turkeys, you'd hear some goblin

1128
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 4: you could go hunt them. And there wasn't near as

1129
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 4: many hunters back then. I'd say there was probably a

1130
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 4: fifth of the hunters back when I first started, as

1131
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 4: there is now as far as hunters. But in the

1132
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 4: last what you said of manygo clay. In the last

1133
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 4: ten years, I've seen those same turkey hunting hunter numbers

1134
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 4: seem like they've declined just because the turkey population has

1135
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 4: shrunk here in Arkansas. And a lot of people say, well,

1136
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 4: you know, I ain't gonna go turkey hunting here in

1137
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 4: Arkansas because they're hard.

1138
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: To find, and I'm just gonna go fishing. I'm gonna

1139
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: do this or do that.

1140
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 4: You know, Ignorant hardcore people like may I spent a

1141
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 4: whole month to chase them around, whether there's any out

1142
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 4: there or not, because I love to do it.

1143
00:56:58,640 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: I love the turkey hunt.

1144
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I've seen the usually find something.

1145
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I usually do so yeah.

1146
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,240
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of miles under these old boots

1147
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 4: and feet in that time to find them too. So

1148
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 4: so many people got spoiled. Like I said, in the

1149
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 4: nineties and early two thousands, they didn't have to go

1150
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 4: scout unting and just go out two or three days

1151
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 4: for a season, find a few turkeys here.

1152
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 2: I'm goblin.

1153
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 4: The last few years, I've killed a couple of big

1154
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 4: turkeys that I never heard god before the season or anything.

1155
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 4: I killed the one that I've got mounted, the only

1156
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 4: turkey I've ever mounted. And the only reason I went

1157
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 4: in there is because I was deer hunting in there

1158
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 4: the fall before and I found a big, old, huge

1159
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 4: track on an.

1160
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: Old logging road in there.

1161
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 4: And I didn't even go back there before the season

1162
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 4: or anything. And I hadn't had no luck. I hadn't

1163
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 4: killed a bird all season. I told my wife, I said,

1164
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go back over there where I was deer hunting.

1165
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 4: I said, there, I saw a turkey track where I

1166
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,479
Speaker 4: saw a big turkey track and she kind of laughed

1167
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 4: at me and until I come home that day with

1168
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 4: that big old bird that I've got mounted.

1169
00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 6: Now, so there we go.

1170
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 8: Right on. But the challenge, I feel like makes it

1171
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 8: more exciting, I mean for me at least, because I

1172
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 8: know the first two seasons I hunted with John, I

1173
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 8: didn't get on a bird, and I think the second

1174
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 8: year actually I wasn't able to go hunting. But the

1175
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 8: third year I've spent in the one story about how he.

1176
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 7: Said, I don't know what I'm gonna do.

1177
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 2: Now he's like.

1178
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 7: Hunted for what twenty four days?

1179
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: I don't forgot, Yeah, ye, twenty one days.

1180
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 8: Okay, So I didn't hunt that long on my first turkey.

1181
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 8: But the first one that I got was like five.

1182
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, six days, five or.

1183
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 8: Six days straight, and I was like so bound and

1184
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 8: determined by the end of it. And that was the

1185
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 8: other thing when Macy was talking about being just like

1186
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 8: just done and like you know, it was raining and everything.

1187
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 7: It was just the same kind of thing. But I

1188
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 7: remember like after I got that.

1189
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 8: First one, I was like, wow, like that was but

1190
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 8: you know, there was so much build up to that point, yes,

1191
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 8: and it was just like, oh wow, now that it's done,

1192
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 8: it's like, you know, it was kind of fun when

1193
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 8: it was you know, the chase, Yeah, the cat and

1194
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 8: mouse thing there for a while. But yeah, it kind

1195
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 8: of makes it more exciting though when it's not so easy.

1196
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you do you call? Do you turkey call? Yeah?

1197
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 8: But I use a box call usually, but I'm going

1198
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 8: to use my sleep call from Brent that he gave me.

1199
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he gave me one.

1200
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 7: Yeah he did.

1201
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, will we all go hunt anywhere other than

1202
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: Oklahoma or yeah.

1203
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 6: So we've had a camp, or my family has had

1204
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 6: a camp in Missouri. My great grandfather bought a place

1205
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 6: up there, I think maybe back in the thirties, and

1206
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 6: so it's been in the family for a long time.

1207
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 6: And so back in the I mean when I was

1208
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 6: a little kid, you know, probably back in ninety six,

1209
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 6: ninety seven or so, we started going up there, you know,

1210
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 6: in suburbans and you know, camping in ten and some stuff.

1211
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 6: And we had you know, two by fours nail to

1212
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 6: the trees for shelves and stuff like that. And we'd

1213
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 6: always drive past this little cabin up there and uh

1214
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 6: busted out when his floor sagging. You know, my great

1215
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 6: grandfather had built it for his ranch hand, you know,

1216
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 6: years and years ago. And so one year we went

1217
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 6: up there and I mean it rained for five days

1218
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 6: straight and everything was sopping wet. You know, our tents

1219
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 6: were soaked, you know, all clothes were soaked, and like,

1220
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 6: why why are we not sleeping up in that cabin?

1221
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 6: And you know, we had a guy from Kentucky that

1222
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 6: was hunting with us. I ain't sleeping up in that cabin.

1223
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 6: There's ghosts in there. They I can hear those chains

1224
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 6: rattling up there right now. His name is old Larry Moore.

1225
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 6: So uh anyhow, long story short, we redid the cabin

1226
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 6: and so we got a little camp up there now

1227
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 6: and that we go up there at least for a

1228
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 6: week every year. It's it's very hot.

1229
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I love I love going there. That was Yeah,

1230
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 8: the first time I went out, it was just like, Wow,

1231
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 8: it's so peaceful out here and there's I mean you

1232
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 8: can hear them gobbling all around. And that was my

1233
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 8: first like the experience of turkey hunting. But yeah, it's

1234
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 8: pretty neat.

1235
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 6: We actually have plans to go hunt with Cam, the

1236
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 6: winner of the al who is that competition. Now we

1237
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 6: we just exchanged the numbers there and uh, I think

1238
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 6: we're gonna go hit that first week season. Maybe if

1239
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 6: we get our butts kicked, we'll go to go to

1240
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 6: the place in Missouri on private and try to get

1241
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 6: a bird there.

1242
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: So cool, cool, Well cam has two of Josh Spillmaker's made.

1243
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm jealous raccoons skin hats.

1244
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 6: I don't know if I got what it takes to

1245
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 6: win them. But DEMI mind, Demi, for real, you need

1246
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 6: to on it.

1247
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: You need to you need to train her head.

1248
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 6: She can feel it.

1249
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 2: I want.

1250
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: I want to hear like your your regiment for like

1251
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: how many al hoots a day?

1252
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1253
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go and like listening to recordings.

1254
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 6: Didn't you know what when I did that?

1255
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: Uh that One of the first couple of Beargrees episodes

1256
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: was about I think I can't remember the name of it,

1257
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: the thing about the thing about the thing about out hooters,

1258
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: and and it was about.

1259
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you called me and said you want me to

1260
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 2: be on it?

1261
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, yeah, Well no, I met with a voice coach.

1262
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: I interviewed a voice guy that trains actors and singers.

1263
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: And listen to that episode listen to listen to it

1264
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: before yeah episode anyway. The guy I interviewed it, it

1265
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: was online and he he said, let me hear you

1266
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: al hoot, And so I owled at him and he said, uh.

1267
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: He said keep. He watched me and he gave me

1268
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: instruction of what to do and it actually helped. He said,

1269
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: you need to keep your tongue lower. It was from

1270
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: New York City. He didn't a thing about sounded like yeah,

1271
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: pace peconic. He uh, anyway, so you could take this serious, Tommy.

1272
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 3: This is how Clay talks to our kids.

1273
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: Like he don't see potentially Like he's.

1274
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 3: Having SHEP right now. He's like, SHEP, you gotta work out,

1275
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 3: you gotta like he's constantly telling what he's got to do.

1276
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 3: So he basically sees potential for you to be, you know,

1277
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 3: a legendary.

1278
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 7: Well, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna put in the

1279
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 7: work next.

1280
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 3: Year, assignments.

1281
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: You got you think you got her?

1282
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 4: I told I told you when I've planned on going

1283
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 4: up there that I had had a couple of secrets

1284
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 4: I've been working on.

1285
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't show.

1286
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 4: Them while ago, Okay, okay, this year, son, all I'll

1287
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 4: say is that it took me a while to figure

1288
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 4: it out. But when you can sund like two three

1289
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 4: hours at the same.

1290
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: Timeloquist, Hey, let me tell you this hot tip. And

1291
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll be a judge next year

1292
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: if we if we start getting real serious with it,

1293
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'll be a judge. But uh,

1294
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a trend to start with a with

1295
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: a screech.

1296
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't.

1297
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that that's the way to go.

1298
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 2: See, that's something I can't do.

1299
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 4: I've tried and tried, and I can't get that high

1300
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 4: sound out of my throat.

1301
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 6: It's kind of hard to do.

1302
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: I think. I think the if if cam we're here

1303
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: the winner, who's an incredible out hooter, Absolutely, I would

1304
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: say I'm more interested in the basics. I would like

1305
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: to hear a laugh and all that as a as

1306
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: like a like an afterthought, because the basic even like

1307
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: three note four note who't being real tight? To me?

1308
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: Is what makes it?

1309
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: The trill?

1310
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 7: Well, that's what's going to ask. Is that that important?

1311
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: It is?

1312
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 7: Because for me it's hit or miss. I can't seem

1313
01:04:58,840 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 7: to can you do it?

1314
01:04:59,840 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 8: So?

1315
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: Sometimes though yes, sometimes, well, keep practicing.

1316
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 5: Okay, here's your Every time when I hear.

1317
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: That, that is something that as a judge, I'm listening for.

1318
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: If somebody can trill.

1319
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 6: It's like, yep, I like that. That sounds good.

1320
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do a trill some guys.

1321
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, And there's times I will get it like that,

1322
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 8: and when I'm not trying.

1323
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: It just comes out. So you got the potential though, Yeah,

1324
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: So you gotta.

1325
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 7: Keep working, and it's good to know how to roll

1326
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 7: your rs.

1327
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 6: Like if you can roll your cars then in Spanish,

1328
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 6: so I use my ute.

1329
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: Can you can you trill?

1330
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, I can't. I need to drink of water here.

1331
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 3: It's pretty good, pretty good. This is what it's like.

1332
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 3: Just like waking up in April at our house. You're

1333
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 3: first stressful if you're not a morning person, playing bear,

1334
01:05:59,080 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 3: going back and forth.

1335
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 7: I feel that I'm not a morning person.

1336
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 8: It was just funny because he always would make fun

1337
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 8: of me, saying that I was a night out or

1338
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 8: like you know, it would be when we were first married,

1339
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 8: like I'd be wanting to have a conversation late at night.

1340
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 7: He's not a night out, He's a morning person.

1341
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 8: He would joke and say ten o'clock time to talk,

1342
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 8: like I was just like that, and I'm like, I'm sorry,

1343
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 8: my mind is like full deep conversations.

1344
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: Can we do this in the morning coffee when I'm ready.

1345
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 6: I'm ready to go at five, you know, so I think.

1346
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm ready to talk anytime, right, Misty.

1347
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 3: Well, I mean Clay falls asleep in like thirty seconds

1348
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 3: and I'll be like, hey, by the way, I mean

1349
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 3: to me, we haven't disengaged from our last conversation. And

1350
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 3: he'll be asleep and I'll say hey, by the way,

1351
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 3: He's like, oh my gosh, you just woke me up

1352
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 3: from a dead sleep. And I'm like, there's no possible

1353
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 3: way I could be in a mild sleep, much less

1354
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 3: a dead sleep at that time. Hey, I've got a

1355
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 3: funny sweet for Josh because he was talking about Macy

1356
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 3: with her her flies. Clay Bear told me this week

1357
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 3: he said I need to I need to go to

1358
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 3: work making some flies and I said yeah. He said,

1359
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 3: I'm wanting to put in some special edition Tim flies.

1360
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 3: Tim is our squirrel dog, and he plucks hair from

1361
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 3: Tim to make.

1362
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: Animals. Animal He's like, I need to make sure.

1363
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 3: See that.

1364
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: Well know, it is.

1365
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 3: Okay, just Bear's been flying ties.

1366
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 6: Flying TI time.

1367
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 5: Can't ever say it right the first time says Oh

1368
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 5: you're gonna go fly some ties?

1369
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1370
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 3: Second, yeah, that does sound like a T shirt.

1371
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: Well I've I'm going to Mississippi next week again.

1372
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 7: Awesome.

1373
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, looking for the Mississippi turkey population.

1374
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: Way better than here. It's better, Okay, it's better. Hey,

1375
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: if this is for all the folks out there, if

1376
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: you are well, if you live anywhere in the world,

1377
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: you could come to the Meat Eater Live Tour, which

1378
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: starts on April to twenty third and runs through May

1379
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 1: the fifth. But we'll be out west, and man, it's

1380
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: wild that meat eaters never come to the South for

1381
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: a live tour or the Midwest on a live tour. No,

1382
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 1: Kansas City. Yeah, but they're gonna, they're gonna. We're gonna

1383
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:46,640
Speaker 1: be in Arizona, California, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, Utah.

1384
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:48,799
Speaker 6: How long is the drive to Washington.

1385
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: I'll come see you long ways. But you can buy

1386
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: you can buy tickets to the Meat Eater Live Tour

1387
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: right now, and uh, it's gonna be a lot of fun.

1388
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: So don't you think they should go? Josh I think

1389
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: they should. Yeah, just if they're you know, if you're

1390
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 1: within I would say, if you're within fifteen hours drive

1391
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: of there, you should go. Absolutely, no question. It's a joke.

1392
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 6: Misty.

1393
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I meet your live tour. The other thing that

1394
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: you can check out is Brent Myy's Mississippi River Expedition film,

1395
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: which watch watched it.

1396
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:26,759
Speaker 5: Sorry, I've been on vacation.

1397
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 6: Oh wow, I immensely enjoyed that. That was good.

1398
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was a lot of fun.

1399
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, it really one hundred and fifty miles in a boat,

1400
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,719
Speaker 6: two hundred fifty miles. I needed a vacation from.

1401
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: Come on, Josh, you look like you're looking for something.

1402
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 3: They were They were in Dallas.

1403
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: Oh wow, in twenty.

1404
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 2: Nineteen, she's proven you wrong.

1405
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: Okay, that's all.

1406
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 3: I'm just doing some research.

1407
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, they were in Dallas just doing Don't

1408
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: go Toe to Toe with dog? DEMI? Do you want

1409
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: to you want to hiss with a fiddle tune?

1410
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 6: Oh?

1411
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, absolutbsolutely. I gotta I gotta follow the

1412
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: leader of your husband here, he's saying you should do it.

1413
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 6: Uh huh, she's good at it.

1414
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 3: Let's hear it.

1415
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very Yeah, can you get it for you?

1416
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 8: John?

1417
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 6: I love to we need to use it.

1418
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 3: We've not had a while.

1419
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,719
Speaker 7: Now, what kind of I wish I wasn't alone in this.

1420
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 5: Listen you played the fiddle and off the violin, well,

1421
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 5: well both, I was.

1422
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 7: I was classically trained.

1423
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 8: So but I had a friend in high school that

1424
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 8: actually he approached me, handed me a CD. He was

1425
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 8: real introverted, but I'm real smart. He just started playing

1426
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 8: the banjo one day and he handed me a CD

1427
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 8: of like fifty songs and he said.

1428
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 7: You need to listen to these and learn them because

1429
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 7: we're going to start a bluegrass band.

1430
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 8: Okay, I said, I don't know about that. I'm not

1431
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 8: I don't I don't really play. He's like, well, you're

1432
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 8: gonna love it. It's gonna be great, And so we did.

1433
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 8: We had a blue grass band and your Tree Redemption,

1434
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 8: and I loved it. It was the most fun actually

1435
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 8: that I play to music.

1436
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 7: So I don't know if this is even in tune.

1437
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: So you can take your time. We can edit it

1438
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: out if you need a minute. So what is the

1439
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: I think I know the answer to this, but maybe

1440
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: not everybody does. Tell us the difference between classical violin

1441
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: and fiddle.

1442
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 8: It really comes down to style mostly, but there are

1443
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 8: things that you can do to adjust the instrument to

1444
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 8: kind of make it more, you know, lean more towards

1445
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:35,879
Speaker 8: like that's.

1446
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: There's something you can do to the instrument, or it's

1447
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: the it's the cadence and the style of playing it.

1448
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 7: Like, yeah, the bridge has.

1449
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 8: Something to sometimes people will have different levels of the

1450
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 8: bridge and then also a lot of fiddle players I've

1451
01:11:56,360 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 8: talked to have like steel strings. Okay, so but for

1452
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 8: the most part, I mean, it's it's basically the same instrument.

1453
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: Okay, man, Just think if if we all practice a song,

1454
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,879
Speaker 1: we could play meanful.

1455
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, we should have. We should have. We

1456
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 3: should have talked, we should we should have played next

1457
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 3: time public?

1458
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: What are you gonna play?

1459
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 3: Unbear?

1460
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 7: I don't know, I might play.

1461
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: You don't know old slew Fo do you that song?

1462
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 7: Don't?

1463
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 1: Okay, don't worry about it.

1464
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 7: Trying to think of something that I could just play

1465
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 7: by heart.

1466
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't that.

1467
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: Very rough.

1468
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 6: I don't want to ol hoot.

1469
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:25,839
Speaker 7: I'm very rusty.

1470
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 8: I played for a long time and then I put

1471
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 8: it down and didn't play it for a long long time.

1472
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 1: So right, that's awesome. It was a very good You

1473
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: got another one?

1474
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 7: I don't know. I don't know if I can come

1475
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:40,839
Speaker 7: up with you can't.

1476
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: Come up with another one.

1477
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's great. Well I could come up with one.

1478
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: But do you play anything? John?

1479
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 6: I don't calls Turkey calls.

1480
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 7: He played mandolin.

1481
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:52,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was kind of one of those deals.

1482
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 7: He wanted to play banjo.

1483
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1484
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 6: Sorry, Mom, if you're listening to this, I doubt it

1485
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 6: was kind of one of those deals. It was pushed

1486
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 6: on me when I wasn't ready for it. I just

1487
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 6: kind of didn't like it too much. But I wish

1488
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 6: I could play the guitar. Really. I like to sing

1489
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 6: and uh, you know, make up make up my own

1490
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 6: words to stuff, you know, and tunes and stuff like that.

1491
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 6: So that's pretty neat. That's why I like uh oh,

1492
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 6: Hawking Horse. When he did that Arkansas Mule, Yeah, it

1493
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 6: was neat, wasn't it.

1494
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1495
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he released it today.

1496
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: He was releasing it on April nineteenth.

1497
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 3: Okay, I got something.

1498
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thank you, Thank you for playing. That was awesome.

1499
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: That was awesome. Thank you guys so much for coming.

1500
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 6: Yeah for you too, before, but waiting around here, you

1501
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 6: want to.

1502
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: Bring us any gifts? Brought myself gift.

1503
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 6: Enough in itself. All right? I got one of these

1504
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 6: for each yell and I got one extra one. They're

1505
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 6: all unique rendered boy Brent, since he didn't show up,

1506
01:14:58,680 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 6: you know, show today?

1507
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 3: Is this the one that incorporates the number?

1508
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,719
Speaker 1: This is? It's wrapped in taper.

1509
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 6: Take a guest to what you think it is?

1510
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 2: Because I've made him?

1511
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 6: Have you made you know what it is?

1512
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 1: Holy cow?

1513
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 6: Have you made?

1514
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: What is it?

1515
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 6: Edition five of five?

1516
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:25,520
Speaker 1: Wing bone call? That's awesome? Wow episode? Look dad, gun,

1517
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: that's a big time.

1518
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 6: There we go, okay, and now so look on the

1519
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 6: other side of that. It is b B three three?

1520
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: How many black three?

1521
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 6: That's that's the that's the yield yell three.

1522
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: That's a ton of work. That sounds good.

1523
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 3: That sounds that sounds really good.

1524
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: Man, that's work.

1525
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 3: Thank you?

1526
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:57,759
Speaker 1: This is awesome?

1527
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 2: Man?

1528
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 6: Is the open yours? Will yelp?

1529
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 1: That's gonna hang here in the office. Man, it's beautiful paper.

1530
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 3: Did you wrap this?

1531
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 7: Thank you?

1532
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to expect on this.

1533
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, because really good. Hard to get that down, isn't it.

1534
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 7: You might have to cut it.

1535
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 3: I'm not as good I got bucket if you need,

1536
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 3: probably not as hard as.

1537
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 2: Back in the seventies.

1538
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 6: I started doing them about five years ago. It was

1539
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 6: beautiful and so those those are off.

1540
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:46,799
Speaker 1: Of ohy feather did you know that's awesome? Those are beautiful.

1541
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, the tail feathers of the Mallard.

1542
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 7: Mallard with the turkey. But then I had to throw

1543
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 7: in some o.

1544
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

1545
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 7: Some Mallard curls in there.

1546
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 2: I'll get along with this this year.

1547
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 6: But if you, if you would, i'd appreciate. Hold them

1548
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 6: right out from him, I'd be I'd be real happy

1549
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 6: for you if you did, I'd be happy for you. Anyways,

1550
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 6: if you didn't use it, So yeah, if you want

1551
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 6: to use it and hang them up.

1552
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 1: Displayed somewhere prominence. Look, John, this this call right here

1553
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: is my dad's old call. That's neat that uh just

1554
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: ever since I was a little kid, my dad always

1555
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: had that one, and he showed us how to use

1556
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 1: it and everything. And I nabbed it from him a

1557
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: few years ago and said, that's going in the museum.

1558
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that it's a different sound in the woods.

1559
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 6: You know something I was going to say, uh, when

1560
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 6: you were talking about that out hooton episode. I remember

1561
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 6: staying up late late when David Letterman was on TV

1562
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,719
Speaker 6: and listening to Preston Pittman and like two other guys

1563
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 6: he had on there doing the Goblin and stuff, and

1564
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 6: I remember thinking, like, I can do that, you know,

1565
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 6: and so it's it's neat. I just story.

1566
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,839
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, thank you guys for coming, Thanks everybody

1567
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: for listening, and we will see you next week