WEBVTT - Ryan Reed 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:37.000 Hey angels, welcome back to Return to the Shadows. Today, 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:41.000 we have another very special deep dive interview with none 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.080 other than Ryan Reid, who was the head of hair 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.680 department on Shadow Hunters season one. He is responsible not 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:52.320 only for Clary's fiery, curly hair, to the lightwoods luscious locks, 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.800 to Jace Whalen's slicked back do, and everything in between, 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.640 the magic of Magnus Bain's hair and all of the 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.440 creatures that you saw in the Shadow World in season one. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.240 We get to dive deep with him about creating this world, 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.280 other source material that he's worked with in the past, 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:12.119 and what he's gone on to in the future, as 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.440 well as some exciting new prospects. Ryan is one of 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.440 our favorite folks that we got to work with throughout 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.120 the series and it is just such a lovely, wonderful human. 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.399 We can't wait to share him and his mastery with you. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:30.360 Hello Ryan, how are you? Ryan? Howai? Buddy? I am great. 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.920 Nice to see you guys. Good to see you too. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:36.200 Thank you so much for joining us today. Oh, no problem, 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.039 no problem. Where where are you Ryan? What are you? 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.360 What are you up to? Um? Currently working on Amazon 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:48.760 project in Scotland. So amazing. That's amazing. Congratulations, thank you, 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:53.720 almost done, almost done you at that final push? Yeah, push, 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.560 So that's why you see some wigs and stuff I'm 0:01:56.720 --> 0:02:00.840 in the trailer. Fantastic. Well, we could didn't do this 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.800 season one rewatch and deep Dive without talking to you, 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.680 of course, Thank you for sure. Ryan. Why don't we 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.600 start with them if you wouldn't mind telling us who 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.440 you are, what your job was on the show, and 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:16.639 maybe how you got involved in the show. Yeah, no problem. Well, 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.239 Ryan Reid, I was the hair designer or the h 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:26.320 o D shadow Hunter season one, and how did I 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:30.359 get involved in the show. I can't really recall who 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:34.560 approached me for it, but I was really excited to 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.480 work with Don Carmody, who was one of the producers, 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:42.680 you know, because he did the original shadow Hunters movie 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:47.320 and you know, pretty big producer at the time. So 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.399 I decided, you know, it would be good to have 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:53.239 that connect. And then it was the bonus was meeting 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:59.280 all of you guys. Oh that's very sweet favorite so 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:04.800 far for saying that, Thanks very much. Well, we're just 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.360 as we've been going back through you know, the episodes 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:11.400 and everything else. It really is every single department, and 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.120 you know, there were so many not only people but 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.800 designers and artists that that really made the show what 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.280 it was, particularly in season one as we were able 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.320 to develop it given that it had been a movie 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.000 and a book series and all these things, and you 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:25.960 were such a huge part of that. And you know, 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.000 I've obviously done so many other things before and after, 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:33.160 So um, start us off with how you got started 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:37.160 in hair design and what was your original inspiration for 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:41.240 this career path. Wow, that's a that's a great question, 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.080 starting off with a super light question, Ryan, just like 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.240 we're going to ease you right in. How did you 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.200 decide what you wanted to do with your entire life? 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:51.880 Let's jump in right there. I'll be honest, Um, I 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:59.280 kind of always loved the performing aspect of entertaining entertainment. 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.920 But I'm not a good actor, So that that's really 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.800 what it was. That can be true. That can't be true, 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.280 because you're a very smiley guy and we had some 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.720 shitty days on Shadow Hunters and you were still smiling. 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.960 Like I've seen you act. I've seen it happen and 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.800 it was flawless. This is true. No, No, I'm a 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.800 real life in real life, I'm a good actor, but 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:23.960 I'm a horrible scripted actor. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's a 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.240 big difference. So um no, you know what, It's just 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.159 that I've kind of and hair was always a natural 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:33.160 talent that I had, so it kind of went hand 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.520 in hand. But I didn't know there was a viable 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:40.080 job that I could do with hair and and the 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:41.920 film and of course now that I'm in it, it 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.600 makes perfect sense, but I didn't know how to get there. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.280 I didn't know it was even an option. And luckily 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.960 enough for me, one of my really good friends, she 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:54.680 had started agency work doing makeup, and she's, you know, 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:59.960 she discovered there was a need for me specifically, She's like, Ryan, 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:01.960 we need you. I don't know why she said that, 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.599 but she did, and so she helped get it, get 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.440 me jobs doing music videos and such. So I kind 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.240 of started off doing that and then the odd commercial 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.320 and then one thing led to another union film work 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.160 and television, so that's kind of how it started. There's 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:23.880 like a fun, sort of interesting parallel. I think that 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.560 that I think people and potentially the listeners will think 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.919 that are what we do is so different. But really 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.760 the escalation of careers is normally fairly similar, like either 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.640 commercials and music videos. Then someone sort of starts taking 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:38.960 chances on you and you get smaller bits on bigger shows, 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.320 and then bigger bits on bigger shows on movies or whatever. Like, 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.560 the actual progression steps are pretty pretty much the same. Arguably. Now, 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.599 I one agree with that, and I kind of think 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.800 it's important. It's important to take those baby steps, the 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.119 non union things and the and the smaller stuff, because 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:00.479 then it prepares you for bigger things to come. Totally, 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:02.640 you can kind of get your training wheels on and 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.760 learn how a sit down set works and how you 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.720 go about, you know, taking care of little problems that 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.800 come up, because inevitably, we all know, as much as 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.840 you plan and as much as you prepare, everything always 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:18.120 goes wrong. And you have to roll with the punches. Yeah, 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.680 quite literally, rolling with the punches in our case. You 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.640 gotta roll with the punch and you have to be creative. Yeah, 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.599 you have to be creative rolling with those punches, I think, yeah, 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.200 because I mean on film sets, it's all about creativity 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.440 and time management. Totally. That's a really good point. Actually, 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.120 you know, a lot of people focus more on the 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.440 creativity side of what it is that we do. But 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.120 there is a good deal that being there's a good 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.279 deal of it that goes into what we do. That 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:47.039 is being creative on a time budget a lot of 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.440 people don't necessarily consider, especially in your department, because which 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:55.480 is actually, I think a very interesting thing that I 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.279 I don't know if you've experienced this, but from my 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.000 experience sitting in the chair having my hair and makeup done, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.360 it's a sort of congruent through line on any job 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:05.880 that I've ever been as people will come in and 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.000 be like, how much time do you need with these guys, 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.840 and like the answer is always I could release them 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:12.800 now if you want to look like ship, Like I 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:14.560 could let go of them right now, but the job 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:16.680 is not done, Like I we need the time to 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.280 do that thing. But it's it's so interesting because it 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.320 is every set that I've ever been on, we we 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.360 seem to have that similar issue. And the hair always 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.400 takes the same and the makeup always takes the same, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.280 and I'm always on time, so I don't really know 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.520 where that issue comes from, you know, like we haven't 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:34.040 changed any of the variables, so hopefully get it. Yeah, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.320 it's it's it's a tough one because people, Um, I 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:42.240 feel like with hair, makeup, costumes specifically, that's where they 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.240 try to crunch the time for the rest of the 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.560 day for everything else. Was like, well, we set the 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.200 tone in the morning, we're as fast as we can 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:55.520 possibly be, really and but you know, it just kind 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.800 of cracked the whips. Could you go faster because we're 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.360 losing the light? What ever? I don't know. Yeah, it's 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.320 always something. There's you know, there's always a time budget 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.840 and they're trying to figure out where to pull time 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.960 from wherever they can. But you know what everyone benefits 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.760 from having the time to have the job actually complete 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.920 in the end, Right, I agree, Ryan. I have a 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.800 question for you that I sort of have asked kind 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.720 of everyone's thus far that we've had on especially about 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:26.480 season one, and Cat and I have discussed this a little, um, 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.280 but we had there was this huge responsibility. As you mentioned, 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.640 this movie had already been done once then it was 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.880 a series of books that was incredibly popular, and there 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.079 is this huge responsibility. Cat and I have discussed it 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.800 from the point of view of creating these characters from 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.800 sort of a physical or emotional sense, but a large 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.760 part of how we looked was was you know level 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.520 to you as your responsibility. So how did that feel? 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.920 Was there was there like a trepidation to coming to 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.400 this or did you accept the challenge? And I personally 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:58.480 think we all look fantastic, um, But but there is 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.280 this level of like pressure that comes with you know 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.000 what I mean, There's a level of pressure that comes 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.240 with like, oh, there's gonna be a lot of eyes 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.320 on this very quickly, you know what I mean? Yeah, 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.920 you know it's it's interesting that you say this, And 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:15.760 maybe I was a little naive not realizing how super 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:21.559 popular this show. I absolutely did love the movie and 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.120 I knew that the But my thing with when you're 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:30.480 recasting um and doing a series, I don't want I 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:34.040 don't want the characters to look exactly like the characters 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:35.920 did in the movie. I want a discussion with you 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.120 whoever is playing that character to be their best version 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.080 of of that of that of that character. Like so 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.720 like for example, Claire had shed red hair, but it 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.640 didn't have to be the exact red that was in 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.480 the movie, or you know what I mean, Like those 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.800 were the things that their story points, but they don't 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:59.120 have to be exact and for me, it's always like 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.679 I rely than on you guys to do the rest, 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.280 like you're acting skills to kind of like make it believable. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.280 And you know, we kind of set the foundation and 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.760 you build on that mm hmm would. And it's so 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:15.040 important as well, you know, speaking about that because we 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.280 I can speak from my point of view there and 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:18.920 I think Ryan, I don't know if you remember, but 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.080 the big like start of the transition to getting into 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.320 character for me is my accent will change, obviously, and 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.240 that starts sort of right at the beginning of the day, 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.640 normally before I've even come in to get to see 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:32.000 you guys, UM. And then step number two is getting 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.319 my hair and makeup done, and all of a sudden, 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.440 I feel like my shoulders come back and I sit 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.440 a little taller, and I'm starting to feel a little 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.080 more like Jay's because that I'm starting to physically look 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.720 like Jay's. I think for most actors, this is a 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.080 big step to like, this is how we start our 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.200 day correctly, you know what I mean? And they and 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:53.600 having having people who are professional, who are talented, who 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:58.520 are nice as well as a huge huge benefit um 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:00.840 really does start us off in the in the right direction. 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.679 So thanks for being that guy, Ryan, Thanks for sting 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.640 is out in the mornings, you know. And yeah, and 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:09.800 let me second that as well. You know, there's always 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.319 I always end up in the hair and makeup trailer, 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.280 even when you know there's downtime on set, because that's 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.120 where it's just always a safe space and it's always 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.720 usually pretty quiet when there's not a ton of people 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.280 around and you can just sit and have a conversation 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.240 and be a human being for a few minutes. But 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.840 also to echo what Dom said, there's something about particularly 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.520 characters like this in the modern sense, that get up 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:36.160 in the morning every day ostensibly and put themselves together. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:40.520 And so you creating whatever the hair is for that 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.480 character is ultimately what that character would choose to do 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.920 to themselves. So that's and and each little detail is 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.079 a choice that that person is made, and it informs 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.000 so much about who they are. And when you look 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.120 in the mirror, it's suddenly, as Dom said, you're you're 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.800 becoming that person. You're putting on that mask. It's it's 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.000 just another aspect of putting on the character every morning. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.640 And and to have someone who cares as much about 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.920 that as we do is is a big deal. Yeah, 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:08.920 and you know what, you guys do care a lot 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:12.400 about it. And for me as a designer, I'm very 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.320 aware of that and that transition that you guys make. 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.920 But also on the on the other side of it, 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.920 to have two leads such as yourself, um with the 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:29.800 good energy that you guys brought in every morning, that 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:34.480 makes a world of a difference because then then that 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.800 makes me be able to do my work really good. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.560 When you guys come in with the good energy and 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:42.840 then it's reciprocal, then you guys are happy as well. 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:46.800 So it's kind of like a full circle morning moment, 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:54.319 morning moment that the circle, morning moment, more of those places, 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.960 more full circles. So talking about talking about the mornings 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:00.880 and like trying to be in a good mood in 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:02.760 the mornings, you know, because I think a lot of 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.920 people don't really know really what goes into making a 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:10.679 show with something like shadow or dark or light in 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.240 the title, we spent a lot of time working at night, 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.280 like a lot of time working in the evenings. Um 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.720 So so I speak to us and tell tell, tell 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.760 the audience a little about that because I can't and 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.720 I have spoken about this quite a bit as well. 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:25.520 It is it was a bit of a shock to 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.680 the system, and I think, did you do the strain 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.360 before or after this? Oh? Did I do the strain before? 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:38.120 I think I think I did the strain before shadow Hunters, 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:42.000 and there was a lot of nights, so you were 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.440 a little more used to it. I'm never used to 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.720 You're never used to it. I hate nights. I hate 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:55.800 you know, I'm obsessed. I was obsessed growing up with vampires, 0:13:56.000 --> 0:14:00.439 and um, I know I couldnot be one. No, I 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:09.040 do not blackout curtains, Ryan, the most miserable vampire. Can 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:14.400 you imagine? This is forever? This is the restaurant forever. Wow, 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.080 no nights, nights shooting. It's not my favorite. And I 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.440 didn't anticipate. I did. I don't know why. I don't 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.040 know why I did not anticipate, um nights. It's in 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:27.760 the It's in the title shadow Hunters. We're hunting shadows, Ryan, 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:29.800 I can't do it during the day, literally in the 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.200 title like we I didn't either. I was just like, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.400 let's do it. This is gonna be great. New sets, 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.480 this is gonna be awesome. No night times, so many 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.360 night times so many Fridays that rolled into Saturdays, and 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:42.640 even to like break it down to the days, like 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.320 we've been doing it for four months, and like I'll 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.320 text Matt and I'd be like, we're in on Friday, 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.080 but like, I don't think it's going to be that long. 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.560 I'll meet you for drinks afterwards. Well, I fuck, what 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.360 was I thinking? Like, absolutely not, I'm not finishing until 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:59.200 four on Saturday morning. There's no way. What was I thinking, Yeah, 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.160 we'll have breakfast wine together at six am on Saturday morning. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.280 We never did that. Why did we never do that? 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.160 That would have been to think about it. Yeah, very 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.600 little thought that early in the morning when you've been 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.120 working for twelve hours. I think everyone's just like in 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:18.840 the car trying not to crash on all the home. 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:23.600 Those are my two two emmos. Yeah, we had other 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.040 things on the mind, like making a TV show and 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:32.400 oh my goodness, um, do you have any Is there 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:36.280 a standout moment in Shadow Hunters one for you, like 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.320 maybe as a favorite moment, but two as a moment 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.520 where you were able to sort of look back and go, well, 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:42.960 we're actually doing something. This is really good because you 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.640 never really know, you know, at least again from our 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.560 point of view, you can be involved in the show 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.560 and you can go this looks amazing and everyone hates it. 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:51.360 Or you can be involved in the show and you're like, 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.200 I'm really not sure about this and then everyone loves it. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:54.840 Like you just have no idea how it's going to 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:56.480 be received. So I wonder if you had a moment 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.880 where you saw it and went, oh, yeah, this is good. 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:04.360 Yeah if no, No, I never had the opposite. I'm 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:08.120 super I'm super critical of my own work. But I 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:12.920 think for me, satisfaction is when you are designing, like 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:17.280 you know, just just the different types of creatures I guess, 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.800 like the fairies, or you know, looking at like how 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.720 we we did, like like the werewolf people or or 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:28.440 the vampires or and and just seeing all these worlds 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:33.040 coming together and that there was a clear difference. Yeah, 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.880 like I I I appreciate looking back at that, or 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.000 or being on set and look at these these massive, 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:47.040 you know, background days and saying, you know what this 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:50.280 this works. It's believable. I believe that I'm in this 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:55.920 specific place with these people and that you guys are 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.880 kind of weaving your way through the crowds and you know, 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.200 but stand doubt you know, and to me that that 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.840 makes a difference. Yeah, well that's just it. When we've 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:06.800 spoken about this a lot in season one is that 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.520 each episode sort of established a new aspect of the 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.520 Shadow World, especially right at the beginning and we were 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.320 on you know, such an insane schedule and and kind 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:17.800 of you know, I know, Domini were just getting the 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:21.640 script as we were shooting, basically, and so and I'm 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.520 sure the same. I don't know if the same was 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:25.520 for you or not. If you were given a heads up, like, hey, 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:27.640 you're doing vampires next week, you might want to think 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.800 about that. Um. But it was always so impressive as 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.160 we walked on the set and suddenly were, as you said, 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.600 transported into this new world that was fully fleshed out 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:39.919 from the set to the costume down to the hair 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.760 of every single person on set. And so how much 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:46.040 of that was you being able to bring your own 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:48.560 creativity into it? And how much did they let you 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:51.880 kind of play versus how much did you know they 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.600 kind of say we want X, Y and Z and 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:56.760 or was it collaborative or how did that really work 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:00.160 on the show. I'd be completely honest, they were are 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:05.680 super open two everything that I came up with. Um, 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.440 I don't think anyone any of the ideas were shut 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.840 down at all. Well that's I think that's a huge 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:15.280 compliment to you because they would shut down ideas, you know, 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.200 I think I think they would be very open to 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.040 the concept of shutting down ideas. So I think what 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.359 that means is you sense ideas and they liked them. 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.359 You know that that's really what happened. Yeah, it's definitely 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.080 a testament to you. Thank you know, it was it 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.160 was fun, it was creative. It was really fun because 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:33.440 I have been on other shows that it's more managed 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.680 their expectations, which means really it's what the producers want, 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.159 but not shadow Hunted. I found I didn't have that 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.400 on that show at all. Amazing, so which is really good. 0:18:43.800 --> 0:19:07.480 It's really really good. It was so fun. Yeah, let's 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.200 talk about another questions just come to me. Let's talk 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.960 about some of the difficulties where you add on shoutow answers. 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:14.920 One of the big things that I think people don't 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.720 they don't tell you ever, is that things like hair 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:22.440 covering your face or like it not being perfect perfect, 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:24.800 they don't like that, like they'll get the dailies and 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.720 they're like, no, we're not about this, um, so make 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:29.639 sure you know it's not covering the face or whatever 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.359 it is. And you're like, this is a martial arts 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:36.800 based show which we're shooting outside like that. We have 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.400 so little control over that sort of thing. So when 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:41.560 you talk to talk to us a little bit about 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:46.400 like the chaos that can ensue. Yeah, I mean, I 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:50.840 think especially Jason's here falling in the face, that that's 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:52.640 a thing, that that was a bit of a thing, 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:54.920 and trying to get it right because it never never 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.439 looks super cool the way you think it looks. And 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.920 then you're like, ah, that worked or that didn't work. 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.200 How am I going to fix that so it looks 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:05.200 better next time? Or can we just add more hairspray, 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.960 more hairpins? I don't know much has so much? Did 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.119 I put too much hair spray? You know? Gallons of 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.240 hairspray went into Don's hair on season one alone, Like 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.040 my hair had enough, But I'm used to that. But 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:19.800 I can tell you towards the end, my memory wasn't 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.679 very good. I was inhaling a lot. Nobody puts fire 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:30.000 near dom because a lot of hair spread. Yeah, maybe 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.840 too much hair spray. I mean, you know it's it's 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.679 but then I I mean, whether weather is always a 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:38.479 big thing. So like I'm a lot forgiving now when 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.080 I watch things on in movies or in television, because 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.320 you never know what the situation is. You don't know 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.680 if it's been raining or it's a misty, foggy day. 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:50.760 There's moisture, there's snow. Who knows what the elements are? 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:56.199 And lovely Toronto, so um, you can have all the 0:20:56.240 --> 0:21:00.439 elements in one day. Yeah, you don't know, Like morning tonight, 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:03.040 you don't know. It's you know, the morning it's like 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.200 thirty degrees and it's sunny and everything's great, and the 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.320 evening it's snowing and you're like, what the fuck tore 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:09.280 on town and make up your mind. This is insane. 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:12.000 We we just did a rewatch of episode eleven, which 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:14.360 was when we were out at the sort of English 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:16.440 cottage in the middle of the field doing the green 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:20.600 fire thing, and I remember Pierre, our first CD, had 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.160 come on the walking and said, um, there's forty five 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:28.040 minutes until a absolute pouring rainstorm front comes through and 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:30.560 we already knew because my hair was flat and you 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:32.800 were out there with the Dutane curly iron and an 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:39.960 umbrella trying to you were humidity is not our friend, man, 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:43.240 It's just not our friend. No. Yeah, I think that's 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:45.280 another thing actually that we should talk about. And again, 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.040 you know, anyone who's never been to a set or 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.320 is in any way unfamiliar with how a set works 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:56.080 is um touches. It's called touches. Before every take of 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:58.840 every scene, hair and makeup come in and you get 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.720 anywhere between forty seconds to maybe a couple of minutes 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:05.680 to make our makeup look fresh. Now the first scenes 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:07.760 of the day, that's not normally too much of a 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.119 big deal. I haven't done very much. We've only been 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.080 there for an hour. Nobody swept through their makeup that 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:14.919 I've I've managed to restrain running my fingers through my 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.160 hair for the first twenty or thirty minutes of the day. 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:19.920