Speaker 1: Hey angels, welcome back to Return to the Shadows. Today,
Speaker 1: we have another very special deep dive interview with none
Speaker 1: other than Ryan Reid, who was the head of hair
Speaker 1: department on Shadow Hunters season one. He is responsible not
Speaker 1: only for Clary's fiery, curly hair, to the lightwoods luscious locks,
Speaker 1: to Jace Whalen's slicked back do, and everything in between,
Speaker 1: the magic of Magnus Bain's hair and all of the
Speaker 1: creatures that you saw in the Shadow World in season one.
Speaker 1: We get to dive deep with him about creating this world,
Speaker 1: other source material that he's worked with in the past,
Speaker 1: and what he's gone on to in the future, as
Speaker 1: well as some exciting new prospects. Ryan is one of
Speaker 1: our favorite folks that we got to work with throughout
Speaker 1: the series and it is just such a lovely, wonderful human.
Speaker 1: We can't wait to share him and his mastery with you.
Speaker 1: Hello Ryan, how are you? Ryan? Howai? Buddy? I am great.
Speaker 1: Nice to see you guys. Good to see you too.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us today. Oh, no problem,
Speaker 1: no problem. Where where are you Ryan? What are you?
Speaker 1: What are you up to? Um? Currently working on Amazon
Speaker 1: project in Scotland. So amazing. That's amazing. Congratulations, thank you,
Speaker 1: almost done, almost done you at that final push? Yeah, push,
Speaker 1: So that's why you see some wigs and stuff I'm
Speaker 1: in the trailer. Fantastic. Well, we could didn't do this
Speaker 1: season one rewatch and deep Dive without talking to you,
Speaker 1: of course, Thank you for sure. Ryan. Why don't we
Speaker 1: start with them if you wouldn't mind telling us who
Speaker 1: you are, what your job was on the show, and
Speaker 1: maybe how you got involved in the show. Yeah, no problem. Well,
Speaker 1: Ryan Reid, I was the hair designer or the h
Speaker 1: o D shadow Hunter season one, and how did I
Speaker 1: get involved in the show. I can't really recall who
Speaker 1: approached me for it, but I was really excited to
Speaker 1: work with Don Carmody, who was one of the producers,
Speaker 1: you know, because he did the original shadow Hunters movie
Speaker 1: and you know, pretty big producer at the time. So
Speaker 1: I decided, you know, it would be good to have
Speaker 1: that connect. And then it was the bonus was meeting
Speaker 1: all of you guys. Oh that's very sweet favorite so
Speaker 1: far for saying that, Thanks very much. Well, we're just
Speaker 1: as we've been going back through you know, the episodes
Speaker 1: and everything else. It really is every single department, and
Speaker 1: you know, there were so many not only people but
Speaker 1: designers and artists that that really made the show what
Speaker 1: it was, particularly in season one as we were able
Speaker 1: to develop it given that it had been a movie
Speaker 1: and a book series and all these things, and you
Speaker 1: were such a huge part of that. And you know,
Speaker 1: I've obviously done so many other things before and after,
Speaker 1: So um, start us off with how you got started
Speaker 1: in hair design and what was your original inspiration for
Speaker 1: this career path. Wow, that's a that's a great question,
Speaker 1: starting off with a super light question, Ryan, just like
Speaker 1: we're going to ease you right in. How did you
Speaker 1: decide what you wanted to do with your entire life?
Speaker 1: Let's jump in right there. I'll be honest, Um, I
Speaker 1: kind of always loved the performing aspect of entertaining entertainment.
Speaker 1: But I'm not a good actor, So that that's really
Speaker 1: what it was. That can be true. That can't be true,
Speaker 1: because you're a very smiley guy and we had some
Speaker 1: shitty days on Shadow Hunters and you were still smiling.
Speaker 1: Like I've seen you act. I've seen it happen and
Speaker 1: it was flawless. This is true. No, No, I'm a
Speaker 1: real life in real life, I'm a good actor, but
Speaker 1: I'm a horrible scripted actor. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: big difference. So um no, you know what, It's just
Speaker 1: that I've kind of and hair was always a natural
Speaker 1: talent that I had, so it kind of went hand
Speaker 1: in hand. But I didn't know there was a viable
Speaker 1: job that I could do with hair and and the
Speaker 1: film and of course now that I'm in it, it
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense, but I didn't know how to get there.
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was even an option. And luckily
Speaker 1: enough for me, one of my really good friends, she
Speaker 1: had started agency work doing makeup, and she's, you know,
Speaker 1: she discovered there was a need for me specifically, She's like, Ryan,
Speaker 1: we need you. I don't know why she said that,
Speaker 1: but she did, and so she helped get it, get
Speaker 1: me jobs doing music videos and such. So I kind
Speaker 1: of started off doing that and then the odd commercial
Speaker 1: and then one thing led to another union film work
Speaker 1: and television, so that's kind of how it started. There's
Speaker 1: like a fun, sort of interesting parallel. I think that
Speaker 1: that I think people and potentially the listeners will think
Speaker 1: that are what we do is so different. But really
Speaker 1: the escalation of careers is normally fairly similar, like either
Speaker 1: commercials and music videos. Then someone sort of starts taking
Speaker 1: chances on you and you get smaller bits on bigger shows,
Speaker 1: and then bigger bits on bigger shows on movies or whatever. Like,
Speaker 1: the actual progression steps are pretty pretty much the same. Arguably. Now,
Speaker 1: I one agree with that, and I kind of think
Speaker 1: it's important. It's important to take those baby steps, the
Speaker 1: non union things and the and the smaller stuff, because
Speaker 1: then it prepares you for bigger things to come. Totally,
Speaker 1: you can kind of get your training wheels on and
Speaker 1: learn how a sit down set works and how you
Speaker 1: go about, you know, taking care of little problems that
Speaker 1: come up, because inevitably, we all know, as much as
Speaker 1: you plan and as much as you prepare, everything always
Speaker 1: goes wrong. And you have to roll with the punches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: quite literally, rolling with the punches in our case. You
Speaker 1: gotta roll with the punch and you have to be creative. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to be creative rolling with those punches, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I mean on film sets, it's all about creativity
Speaker 1: and time management. Totally. That's a really good point. Actually,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people focus more on the
Speaker 1: creativity side of what it is that we do. But
Speaker 1: there is a good deal that being there's a good
Speaker 1: deal of it that goes into what we do. That
Speaker 1: is being creative on a time budget a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't necessarily consider, especially in your department, because which
Speaker 1: is actually, I think a very interesting thing that I
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've experienced this, but from my
Speaker 1: experience sitting in the chair having my hair and makeup done,
Speaker 1: it's a sort of congruent through line on any job
Speaker 1: that I've ever been as people will come in and
Speaker 1: be like, how much time do you need with these guys,
Speaker 1: and like the answer is always I could release them
Speaker 1: now if you want to look like ship, Like I
Speaker 1: could let go of them right now, but the job
Speaker 1: is not done, Like I we need the time to
Speaker 1: do that thing. But it's it's so interesting because it
Speaker 1: is every set that I've ever been on, we we
Speaker 1: seem to have that similar issue. And the hair always
Speaker 1: takes the same and the makeup always takes the same,
Speaker 1: and I'm always on time, so I don't really know
Speaker 1: where that issue comes from, you know, like we haven't
Speaker 1: changed any of the variables, so hopefully get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a tough one because people, Um, I
Speaker 1: feel like with hair, makeup, costumes specifically, that's where they
Speaker 1: try to crunch the time for the rest of the
Speaker 1: day for everything else. Was like, well, we set the
Speaker 1: tone in the morning, we're as fast as we can
Speaker 1: possibly be, really and but you know, it just kind
Speaker 1: of cracked the whips. Could you go faster because we're
Speaker 1: losing the light? What ever? I don't know. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: always something. There's you know, there's always a time budget
Speaker 1: and they're trying to figure out where to pull time
Speaker 1: from wherever they can. But you know what everyone benefits
Speaker 1: from having the time to have the job actually complete
Speaker 1: in the end, Right, I agree, Ryan. I have a
Speaker 1: question for you that I sort of have asked kind
Speaker 1: of everyone's thus far that we've had on especially about
Speaker 1: season one, and Cat and I have discussed this a little, um,
Speaker 1: but we had there was this huge responsibility. As you mentioned,
Speaker 1: this movie had already been done once then it was
Speaker 1: a series of books that was incredibly popular, and there
Speaker 1: is this huge responsibility. Cat and I have discussed it
Speaker 1: from the point of view of creating these characters from
Speaker 1: sort of a physical or emotional sense, but a large
Speaker 1: part of how we looked was was you know level
Speaker 1: to you as your responsibility. So how did that feel?
Speaker 1: Was there was there like a trepidation to coming to
Speaker 1: this or did you accept the challenge? And I personally
Speaker 1: think we all look fantastic, um, But but there is
Speaker 1: this level of like pressure that comes with you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, There's a level of pressure that comes
Speaker 1: with like, oh, there's gonna be a lot of eyes
Speaker 1: on this very quickly, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it's it's interesting that you say this, And
Speaker 1: maybe I was a little naive not realizing how super
Speaker 1: popular this show. I absolutely did love the movie and
Speaker 1: I knew that the But my thing with when you're
Speaker 1: recasting um and doing a series, I don't want I
Speaker 1: don't want the characters to look exactly like the characters
Speaker 1: did in the movie. I want a discussion with you
Speaker 1: whoever is playing that character to be their best version
Speaker 1: of of that of that of that character. Like so
Speaker 1: like for example, Claire had shed red hair, but it
Speaker 1: didn't have to be the exact red that was in
Speaker 1: the movie, or you know what I mean, Like those
Speaker 1: were the things that their story points, but they don't
Speaker 1: have to be exact and for me, it's always like
Speaker 1: I rely than on you guys to do the rest,
Speaker 1: like you're acting skills to kind of like make it believable.
Speaker 1: And you know, we kind of set the foundation and
Speaker 1: you build on that mm hmm would. And it's so
Speaker 1: important as well, you know, speaking about that because we
Speaker 1: I can speak from my point of view there and
Speaker 1: I think Ryan, I don't know if you remember, but
Speaker 1: the big like start of the transition to getting into
Speaker 1: character for me is my accent will change, obviously, and
Speaker 1: that starts sort of right at the beginning of the day,
Speaker 1: normally before I've even come in to get to see
Speaker 1: you guys, UM. And then step number two is getting
Speaker 1: my hair and makeup done, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I feel like my shoulders come back and I sit
Speaker 1: a little taller, and I'm starting to feel a little
Speaker 1: more like Jay's because that I'm starting to physically look
Speaker 1: like Jay's. I think for most actors, this is a
Speaker 1: big step to like, this is how we start our
Speaker 1: day correctly, you know what I mean? And they and
Speaker 1: having having people who are professional, who are talented, who
Speaker 1: are nice as well as a huge huge benefit um
Speaker 1: really does start us off in the in the right direction.
Speaker 1: So thanks for being that guy, Ryan, Thanks for sting
Speaker 1: is out in the mornings, you know. And yeah, and
Speaker 1: let me second that as well. You know, there's always
Speaker 1: I always end up in the hair and makeup trailer,
Speaker 1: even when you know there's downtime on set, because that's
Speaker 1: where it's just always a safe space and it's always
Speaker 1: usually pretty quiet when there's not a ton of people
Speaker 1: around and you can just sit and have a conversation
Speaker 1: and be a human being for a few minutes. But
Speaker 1: also to echo what Dom said, there's something about particularly
Speaker 1: characters like this in the modern sense, that get up
Speaker 1: in the morning every day ostensibly and put themselves together.
Speaker 1: And so you creating whatever the hair is for that
Speaker 1: character is ultimately what that character would choose to do
Speaker 1: to themselves. So that's and and each little detail is
Speaker 1: a choice that that person is made, and it informs
Speaker 1: so much about who they are. And when you look
Speaker 1: in the mirror, it's suddenly, as Dom said, you're you're
Speaker 1: becoming that person. You're putting on that mask. It's it's
Speaker 1: just another aspect of putting on the character every morning.
Speaker 1: And and to have someone who cares as much about
Speaker 1: that as we do is is a big deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know what, you guys do care a lot
Speaker 1: about it. And for me as a designer, I'm very
Speaker 1: aware of that and that transition that you guys make.
Speaker 1: But also on the on the other side of it,
Speaker 1: to have two leads such as yourself, um with the
Speaker 1: good energy that you guys brought in every morning, that
Speaker 1: makes a world of a difference because then then that
Speaker 1: makes me be able to do my work really good.
Speaker 1: When you guys come in with the good energy and
Speaker 1: then it's reciprocal, then you guys are happy as well.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a full circle morning moment,
Speaker 1: morning moment that the circle, morning moment, more of those places,
Speaker 1: more full circles. So talking about talking about the mornings
Speaker 1: and like trying to be in a good mood in
Speaker 1: the mornings, you know, because I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't really know really what goes into making a
Speaker 1: show with something like shadow or dark or light in
Speaker 1: the title, we spent a lot of time working at night,
Speaker 1: like a lot of time working in the evenings. Um
Speaker 1: So so I speak to us and tell tell, tell
Speaker 1: the audience a little about that because I can't and
Speaker 1: I have spoken about this quite a bit as well.
Speaker 1: It is it was a bit of a shock to
Speaker 1: the system, and I think, did you do the strain
Speaker 1: before or after this? Oh? Did I do the strain before?
Speaker 1: I think I think I did the strain before shadow Hunters,
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of nights, so you were
Speaker 1: a little more used to it. I'm never used to
Speaker 1: You're never used to it. I hate nights. I hate
Speaker 1: you know, I'm obsessed. I was obsessed growing up with vampires,
Speaker 1: and um, I know I couldnot be one. No, I
Speaker 1: do not blackout curtains, Ryan, the most miserable vampire. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine? This is forever? This is the restaurant forever. Wow,
Speaker 1: no nights, nights shooting. It's not my favorite. And I
Speaker 1: didn't anticipate. I did. I don't know why. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I did not anticipate, um nights. It's in
Speaker 1: the It's in the title shadow Hunters. We're hunting shadows, Ryan,
Speaker 1: I can't do it during the day, literally in the
Speaker 1: title like we I didn't either. I was just like,
Speaker 1: let's do it. This is gonna be great. New sets,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be awesome. No night times, so many
Speaker 1: night times so many Fridays that rolled into Saturdays, and
Speaker 1: even to like break it down to the days, like
Speaker 1: we've been doing it for four months, and like I'll
Speaker 1: text Matt and I'd be like, we're in on Friday,
Speaker 1: but like, I don't think it's going to be that long.
Speaker 1: I'll meet you for drinks afterwards. Well, I fuck, what
Speaker 1: was I thinking? Like, absolutely not, I'm not finishing until
Speaker 1: four on Saturday morning. There's no way. What was I thinking, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll have breakfast wine together at six am on Saturday morning.
Speaker 1: We never did that. Why did we never do that?
Speaker 1: That would have been to think about it. Yeah, very
Speaker 1: little thought that early in the morning when you've been
Speaker 1: working for twelve hours. I think everyone's just like in
Speaker 1: the car trying not to crash on all the home.
Speaker 1: Those are my two two emmos. Yeah, we had other
Speaker 1: things on the mind, like making a TV show and
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, um, do you have any Is there
Speaker 1: a standout moment in Shadow Hunters one for you, like
Speaker 1: maybe as a favorite moment, but two as a moment
Speaker 1: where you were able to sort of look back and go, well,
Speaker 1: we're actually doing something. This is really good because you
Speaker 1: never really know, you know, at least again from our
Speaker 1: point of view, you can be involved in the show
Speaker 1: and you can go this looks amazing and everyone hates it.
Speaker 1: Or you can be involved in the show and you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm really not sure about this and then everyone loves it.
Speaker 1: Like you just have no idea how it's going to
Speaker 1: be received. So I wonder if you had a moment
Speaker 1: where you saw it and went, oh, yeah, this is good.
Speaker 1: Yeah if no, No, I never had the opposite. I'm
Speaker 1: super I'm super critical of my own work. But I
Speaker 1: think for me, satisfaction is when you are designing, like
Speaker 1: you know, just just the different types of creatures I guess,
Speaker 1: like the fairies, or you know, looking at like how
Speaker 1: we we did, like like the werewolf people or or
Speaker 1: the vampires or and and just seeing all these worlds
Speaker 1: coming together and that there was a clear difference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I I I appreciate looking back at that, or
Speaker 1: or being on set and look at these these massive,
Speaker 1: you know, background days and saying, you know what this
Speaker 1: this works. It's believable. I believe that I'm in this
Speaker 1: specific place with these people and that you guys are
Speaker 1: kind of weaving your way through the crowds and you know,
Speaker 1: but stand doubt you know, and to me that that
Speaker 1: makes a difference. Yeah, well that's just it. When we've
Speaker 1: spoken about this a lot in season one is that
Speaker 1: each episode sort of established a new aspect of the
Speaker 1: Shadow World, especially right at the beginning and we were
Speaker 1: on you know, such an insane schedule and and kind
Speaker 1: of you know, I know, Domini were just getting the
Speaker 1: script as we were shooting, basically, and so and I'm
Speaker 1: sure the same. I don't know if the same was
Speaker 1: for you or not. If you were given a heads up, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're doing vampires next week, you might want to think
Speaker 1: about that. Um. But it was always so impressive as
Speaker 1: we walked on the set and suddenly were, as you said,
Speaker 1: transported into this new world that was fully fleshed out
Speaker 1: from the set to the costume down to the hair
Speaker 1: of every single person on set. And so how much
Speaker 1: of that was you being able to bring your own
Speaker 1: creativity into it? And how much did they let you
Speaker 1: kind of play versus how much did you know they
Speaker 1: kind of say we want X, Y and Z and
Speaker 1: or was it collaborative or how did that really work
Speaker 1: on the show. I'd be completely honest, they were are
Speaker 1: super open two everything that I came up with. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone any of the ideas were shut
Speaker 1: down at all. Well that's I think that's a huge
Speaker 1: compliment to you because they would shut down ideas, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think they would be very open to
Speaker 1: the concept of shutting down ideas. So I think what
Speaker 1: that means is you sense ideas and they liked them.
Speaker 1: You know that that's really what happened. Yeah, it's definitely
Speaker 1: a testament to you. Thank you know, it was it
Speaker 1: was fun, it was creative. It was really fun because
Speaker 1: I have been on other shows that it's more managed
Speaker 1: their expectations, which means really it's what the producers want,
Speaker 1: but not shadow Hunted. I found I didn't have that
Speaker 1: on that show at all. Amazing, so which is really good.
Speaker 1: It's really really good. It was so fun. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: talk about another questions just come to me. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about some of the difficulties where you add on shoutow answers.
Speaker 1: One of the big things that I think people don't
Speaker 1: they don't tell you ever, is that things like hair
Speaker 1: covering your face or like it not being perfect perfect,
Speaker 1: they don't like that, like they'll get the dailies and
Speaker 1: they're like, no, we're not about this, um, so make
Speaker 1: sure you know it's not covering the face or whatever
Speaker 1: it is. And you're like, this is a martial arts
Speaker 1: based show which we're shooting outside like that. We have
Speaker 1: so little control over that sort of thing. So when
Speaker 1: you talk to talk to us a little bit about
Speaker 1: like the chaos that can ensue. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think especially Jason's here falling in the face, that that's
Speaker 1: a thing, that that was a bit of a thing,
Speaker 1: and trying to get it right because it never never
Speaker 1: looks super cool the way you think it looks. And
Speaker 1: then you're like, ah, that worked or that didn't work.
Speaker 1: How am I going to fix that so it looks
Speaker 1: better next time? Or can we just add more hairspray,
Speaker 1: more hairpins? I don't know much has so much? Did
Speaker 1: I put too much hair spray? You know? Gallons of
Speaker 1: hairspray went into Don's hair on season one alone, Like
Speaker 1: my hair had enough, But I'm used to that. But
Speaker 1: I can tell you towards the end, my memory wasn't
Speaker 1: very good. I was inhaling a lot. Nobody puts fire
Speaker 1: near dom because a lot of hair spread. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: too much hair spray. I mean, you know it's it's
Speaker 1: but then I I mean, whether weather is always a
Speaker 1: big thing. So like I'm a lot forgiving now when
Speaker 1: I watch things on in movies or in television, because
Speaker 1: you never know what the situation is. You don't know
Speaker 1: if it's been raining or it's a misty, foggy day.
Speaker 1: There's moisture, there's snow. Who knows what the elements are?
Speaker 1: And lovely Toronto, so um, you can have all the
Speaker 1: elements in one day. Yeah, you don't know, Like morning tonight,
Speaker 1: you don't know. It's you know, the morning it's like
Speaker 1: thirty degrees and it's sunny and everything's great, and the
Speaker 1: evening it's snowing and you're like, what the fuck tore
Speaker 1: on town and make up your mind. This is insane.
Speaker 1: We we just did a rewatch of episode eleven, which
Speaker 1: was when we were out at the sort of English
Speaker 1: cottage in the middle of the field doing the green
Speaker 1: fire thing, and I remember Pierre, our first CD, had
Speaker 1: come on the walking and said, um, there's forty five
Speaker 1: minutes until a absolute pouring rainstorm front comes through and
Speaker 1: we already knew because my hair was flat and you
Speaker 1: were out there with the Dutane curly iron and an
Speaker 1: umbrella trying to you were humidity is not our friend, man,
Speaker 1: It's just not our friend. No. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: another thing actually that we should talk about. And again,
Speaker 1: you know, anyone who's never been to a set or
Speaker 1: is in any way unfamiliar with how a set works
Speaker 1: is um touches. It's called touches. Before every take of
Speaker 1: every scene, hair and makeup come in and you get
Speaker 1: anywhere between forty seconds to maybe a couple of minutes
Speaker 1: to make our makeup look fresh. Now the first scenes
Speaker 1: of the day, that's not normally too much of a
Speaker 1: big deal. I haven't done very much. We've only been
Speaker 1: there for an hour. Nobody swept through their makeup that
Speaker 1: I've I've managed to restrain running my fingers through my
Speaker 1: hair for the first twenty or thirty minutes of the day.
Speaker 1: When we get to sort of literally the eleventh hour
Speaker 1: of being on set, ship start to get a little
Speaker 1: looser and that thirty seconds of touches isn't necessarily enough.
Speaker 1: So these the teams that come on, these like heroes
Speaker 1: that come on and just quickly go, how do we
Speaker 1: have this morning Okay, great, where were you just previously
Speaker 1: to this scene because it has to match that, or
Speaker 1: if we haven't filmed it yet, then let's make it
Speaker 1: simple because it has to We will have to match
Speaker 1: it at the end of the next scene and do
Speaker 1: all of those sort of these like astronaut calculations in
Speaker 1: your heads instantaneously and then quickly touches up. So tell
Speaker 1: us tell us a little about that again, like the
Speaker 1: sort of calm chaos that happens when someone else touches yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's basically you st that's it. It is the
Speaker 1: chaos or just chaos or just kid. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: there's so many touches, you know, in between takes, especially
Speaker 1: for you guys with the fighting, Like the fighting scenes
Speaker 1: is the one, and it's just trying to keep the continuity.
Speaker 1: It can be tough. It could be tough. You have
Speaker 1: to be on top of it, that's for sure. Well
Speaker 1: and you certainly are. And now, obviously you've worked on
Speaker 1: a huge variety of genres over the years, and starting
Speaker 1: on according to our research, uh, Degrassi was something you
Speaker 1: did sort of earlier on in your your film and
Speaker 1: TV career, So that's very different from them coming into
Speaker 1: this world of creatures and demons and things like this,
Speaker 1: but you know, sort of tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about what that experience is like for you. So Degrassi
Speaker 1: Grassy was fun. Dirass was my first, um because I
Speaker 1: did the music videos and then um, when I my
Speaker 1: first type of union work actually was on a kind
Speaker 1: of like a music video show that was Cheetah Girls
Speaker 1: because there was a lot of dancing. Yeah that's the idea. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but then when I but I was still an
Speaker 1: assistant around those times. So then when I did to
Speaker 1: Grasp You was my first apartment heading type show and
Speaker 1: you get an ensemble cast of eighteen kids, um who
Speaker 1: that season, especially the girls decided to all get extensions
Speaker 1: down to their butt, great length extensions. Yeah, They're all
Speaker 1: coming in the morning with soaking wet hair that you
Speaker 1: had to get them then ready within like you know,
Speaker 1: two hours with no assistance. By the way it was.
Speaker 1: It was It was a lot of work, but it
Speaker 1: was but it was also fun because you know, you
Speaker 1: got to be contemporary. Um. And the thing is I
Speaker 1: really wanted to bring them up because previously, especially Degrassi,
Speaker 1: they um would kind of do their own hair and
Speaker 1: makeup interesting. Yeah. So so then kind of like when
Speaker 1: I started, maybe the season before I started, when they
Speaker 1: actually started having hair and make like people do, like
Speaker 1: actually do them, and they wanted them to kind of
Speaker 1: be um a little more contemporary and up with the
Speaker 1: other shows that were their competitive shows at the time,
Speaker 1: like the O C and whatever. Um, So that's what
Speaker 1: I tried to do, and it was it was a
Speaker 1: lot of work, but it was fun. Um you know,
Speaker 1: meant Drake Graham, so he's a cool guy, a little
Speaker 1: a little behind the scenes, hometown, Toronto history, good stuff. Um.
Speaker 1: Talking about assistance and teams and stuff like that. So you,
Speaker 1: from my sort of fairly limited knowledge, you as a
Speaker 1: head of department, get to pick your team. So how
Speaker 1: does that happen? Do you have people who travel with you?
Speaker 1: Do you have a group that you don't want to use?
Speaker 1: Do you especially you know, Toronto I think is sort
Speaker 1: of the fairly local show. So I would imagine have
Speaker 1: a group of people or that like we're going to
Speaker 1: take a chance on these ones or how does that work?
Speaker 1: How does assembling your team work? So it's not easy. Um,
Speaker 1: there are people that you use for certain projects. And
Speaker 1: also I think you do take a chance on other
Speaker 1: people and see how it works. Sometimes it doesn't. Like personalities,
Speaker 1: mixing personalities can be difficult at times, and I do
Speaker 1: have might go to people for sure when they're available.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, for where I am right now, I
Speaker 1: couldn't bring anybody, but I did thankfully meet some great people.
Speaker 1: So how does that work when you meet people? Is
Speaker 1: it like auditioning or like just applying for a job.
Speaker 1: You send a resume? Like what how does that? Give
Speaker 1: them a wig? And say quick click do your style? Click,
Speaker 1: make this happen, make this, and then hit them with
Speaker 1: a hose like we're gonna be filming. Are you doing yet?
Speaker 1: Are you doing yet? Well, it's it's tough. It's tough, man,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. You kind of look at people's cvs
Speaker 1: and and hope that they're truthful. Um with some of
Speaker 1: the things that they have on their CVS or their experience.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, well here's the thing. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Somebody could be part of a team but have a
Speaker 1: very small role to play, um, and then there's others
Speaker 1: that have that are that have huge roles on that
Speaker 1: same team. So you don't really you never really know
Speaker 1: what you're walking into with somebody new. It could be
Speaker 1: a great experience or it could be a bit challenging
Speaker 1: at times. So it's really really tough. Back home, I
Speaker 1: kind of know the talent pool to pick from, and
Speaker 1: and also there's people that are amazingly talent, but your
Speaker 1: your personality just don't mesh yeah, because I'm like, I
Speaker 1: try to be drama free, so you know, I try
Speaker 1: to pick the people where like we we just get
Speaker 1: along and don't butt heads. Hey, well that's so. I
Speaker 1: think that's so smart. We've spoken about that just from
Speaker 1: our point of view briefly, and I think in any career,
Speaker 1: I don't understand why people wouldn't like, if I have
Speaker 1: the choice between working with someone that I know as
Speaker 1: a decent human being versus someone I know as a dick,
Speaker 1: there's a fairly clear choice of whom I'm gonna go with,
Speaker 1: Like there's you know, and then adding the like I
Speaker 1: know people who for example, don't work well like at
Speaker 1: nights or under time, crunches or that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is going to be that kind
Speaker 1: of show. I don't know if this is the right
Speaker 1: thing for you to do. You're fantastic or what you do.
Speaker 1: But if you're going to start letting things slip here
Speaker 1: and there, because these are the parameters that we're gonna
Speaker 1: be working under. Um. But it's it's funny that you
Speaker 1: mentioned lies on the CV and CAT. It's even funnier
Speaker 1: that you're surprised, Like we're actors. All we do for
Speaker 1: a living is a lie about what we do. That's
Speaker 1: all we do for you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: someone approaches us and they're like, hey, this show shadow
Speaker 1: Hunters came up. Have you ever done any martial arts?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, me fucking black belt over here? Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm black belt in Quigan, low to new one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm great. And then you just gotta pick
Speaker 1: it up. You gotta figure it out, Like can you
Speaker 1: ride a horse? Oh yeah? Oh yeah. They used to
Speaker 1: call me captain a question as a kid. For sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know how to ride all the different brands of horses,
Speaker 1: no idea, but you've got to figure it out. I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I have too much of the guilt complex.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, a little bit. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: did it once in girls camp. Um, but I can learn.
Speaker 1: But but you know that's important, and I think it's
Speaker 1: important for people to be honest with other people and themselves.
Speaker 1: Just be like, I'm not great at that, learn how
Speaker 1: to do it better, or I don't know how to
Speaker 1: do that, And I'd remember someone tell me they don't
Speaker 1: know how to do something, and I can work with that,
Speaker 1: as opposed to saying sure I could do that and
Speaker 1: then they can't totally. Yeah, yeah, that's a really good point. Actually,
Speaker 1: that's really good lesson for for any aspect of this
Speaker 1: industry and kind of for life for you know, our
Speaker 1: listeners out there. To take away that if you don't
Speaker 1: know how to do something, if you're unsure, if you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily feel confident, it's okay to admit that and
Speaker 1: to reach out to someone for guidance because someone you know,
Speaker 1: as kind and wonderful as you is more than happy
Speaker 1: to teach as well as employee. And yeah, I would
Speaker 1: I would rather be honest, and I would like you said,
Speaker 1: I would rather, and then I could teach some you know,
Speaker 1: my way of doing it and be like, hey, it's
Speaker 1: not the only way this works for me. If you
Speaker 1: find a better way, then you can do that. I'm
Speaker 1: actually I think a little too lenient as people take
Speaker 1: advantage of that. But you know what it is, what
Speaker 1: it is interesting is there? So that's an interesting question then,
Speaker 1: I guess because it's well, I think there's a there's
Speaker 1: a trap that people can fall into, both on our
Speaker 1: side of this industry and from the viewers side, that like, oh,
Speaker 1: you've made it like you've learned all of the things
Speaker 1: that you need to learn, and that's just simply not
Speaker 1: the case, Like it doesn't matter what level you're at,
Speaker 1: like you're you're constantly learning new things. And I think
Speaker 1: it's a dangerous precedent to set to tell people that
Speaker 1: that's not the case, and to either work with or
Speaker 1: be around people who think that their their cup as
Speaker 1: full as it were that they could there is no
Speaker 1: more for them to learn, because then like what are
Speaker 1: we doing here? Like where are we going? What's the
Speaker 1: next step? You know what I mean? And you know what,
Speaker 1: now that I'm getting a few years older in life,
Speaker 1: I have no tolerance whatsoever for that stuff, honestly, Like
Speaker 1: this is something you just mentioned, like you know, as
Speaker 1: the years go on, I'm in my thirties now, Ryan,
Speaker 1: I was like late mid twenties when you and I
Speaker 1: met it was it was like a long time ago.
Speaker 1: Now we filmed that stuff a while ago, Like it
Speaker 1: really took me. This whole thing has been so lovely
Speaker 1: because we do get to go to this real trip down,
Speaker 1: like wow, that was like closing in on a decade
Speaker 1: ago that we did that, which is wild, but that
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully you'd still have some fairly fund memories,
Speaker 1: like what are your favorite days that we did? Obviously,
Speaker 1: well not the nights. Will accept that that wasn't super
Speaker 1: fun nights, Tom. We were pretty entertaining some nights. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you that. I'm sure our Shenanigans got gout silly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think. I think I really like whatever the days
Speaker 1: were when we're at the studios. I really enjoyed the
Speaker 1: studio days. I don't know why, but I really just
Speaker 1: liked being at the studio better than the locations. But
Speaker 1: the locations were fun too. I think there was a
Speaker 1: lot of like the funny thing is I can't pinpoint it,
Speaker 1: but there was a lot of fun stuff with you guys,
Speaker 1: like on a whole I would say, just and then
Speaker 1: when you all got together in between takes, because I'm
Speaker 1: I like two people watch and I literally could just
Speaker 1: sit there and just watch you guys just interact with
Speaker 1: each other, just going at each other. That's the fun.
Speaker 1: It was a good group, I would say, a good
Speaker 1: group of people together, you know, with the different personalities.
Speaker 1: But it but it worked exactly. It worked, yeah, which
Speaker 1: I which is interesting because it easily couldn't have done,
Speaker 1: you know, with such such like vastly different people from
Speaker 1: such vastly different backgrounds, it very easily couldn't have worked out,
Speaker 1: and it just did. Um, you should have come back
Speaker 1: to season two. Man, we had temperature control in the studio,
Speaker 1: no more like forty degree studios with the camera's breaking down.
Speaker 1: It was great. It was amazing. Fine, it took us
Speaker 1: a year, but we got it. But but you you know,
Speaker 1: you were in the trenches with us. It was pretty wonderful,
Speaker 1: but you know, you were obviously off doing other amazing things.
Speaker 1: That's the tricky thing. Like you get used to someone
Speaker 1: who's so good at their what they do, and it
Speaker 1: makes them, it makes them incredibly popular. So it's like,
Speaker 1: I can't come back because I'm now doing this other
Speaker 1: thing that they wanted me to do, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: why did they get to have you. That doesn't seem
Speaker 1: super fair. We we enjoyed having you was going on there,
Speaker 1: I know, and that happened time and time again on
Speaker 1: shadow Hunters, and that happened so much. We're always so
Speaker 1: proud of people going on and doing other things, but
Speaker 1: we missed you. I will say, Um, it is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite horror franchises. I found out, Yeah, And
Speaker 1: when I found out you were responsible for the penny
Speaker 1: Wise look, I definitely fan girls and I had a
Speaker 1: moment of pride and maybe maybe shed a happy tear.
Speaker 1: So tell us about that. Well, it's a it's not
Speaker 1: bitter sweet because it was more sweet than bitter. But
Speaker 1: I will be honest, I had a bit of a
Speaker 1: hard time leading up to that because I had worked
Speaker 1: on a show, and I think because I was very tired,
Speaker 1: like stretching myself to the limits, and it really took
Speaker 1: his toll on me. And I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: think I have thick enough skin to be in this
Speaker 1: industry anymore. I just don't want to work with people
Speaker 1: that are assholes fair enough, or like you know, actively
Speaker 1: you know, do things to just mess with you for
Speaker 1: no good reason at all, And you're like, I don't
Speaker 1: get it, like why are people so mean? And I
Speaker 1: was like I don't, I don't And then and then
Speaker 1: you don't you think, well, if they're like this now
Speaker 1: and this is like a small like a small pool,
Speaker 1: what happens if you go to a bigger pool and
Speaker 1: everyone's like that. I don't think you're going to be
Speaker 1: able to swim with the you know, the big boys
Speaker 1: or girls whatever, you know. And I was like, so,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know. Then I got a
Speaker 1: phone call and one of my friends, she's like, could
Speaker 1: you come up to work on this movie? And I
Speaker 1: was like no, you know what, I don't. I don't think,
Speaker 1: so I think I just need to take some time off.
Speaker 1: And then I got another phone call from another friend
Speaker 1: and they're like, so, Ryan, could you just come and
Speaker 1: work on this movie. You'll just be with the prosthetic guys.
Speaker 1: All you gotta do is put a wig on a clown.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, no, like a clown and
Speaker 1: they're like, well, it's Penny Wise. And I talked to
Speaker 1: a few of my friends like he's iconic. You have
Speaker 1: to do and I was like, I don't know about
Speaker 1: no clown. And then so when then you know, the
Speaker 1: prosthetic guys are like, no, no, they're really good guys.
Speaker 1: They're like, you'll just be with us. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: be anybody else. It's going to be fun. And said, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: And that was one of the biggest decisions I made
Speaker 1: and probably one of the best decisions I made, and
Speaker 1: has such a good time on that movie. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy that I made that choice, not the other choice.
Speaker 1: Oh that's amazing. Yeah, oh, great news, because I was Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, we know obviously sat in the hair and
Speaker 1: makeup trailer, like before you started the story, we knew
Speaker 1: that this wasn't gonna end with you quitting hair and makeup,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like we can see that that's
Speaker 1: not the case, but there is that concern. Like I
Speaker 1: think any actor, artist, anyone in this industry worth their
Speaker 1: soul has had that question in their mind at least
Speaker 1: one point where they're like, man, I don't know, this
Speaker 1: is this is much harder than and people do describe
Speaker 1: it as very difficult, Like normal people will be like,
Speaker 1: if you want to do it, it's tough, and everyone
Speaker 1: goes to that point where they're like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like this is too much. This, this is more than
Speaker 1: a human being is meant to sort of deal with
Speaker 1: on a daily basis. So let me just speak for
Speaker 1: me the fans of Shadow Hunters and the many, many
Speaker 1: fans of the franchise. Let's say thank you to your
Speaker 1: two friends who begged you to come and be a
Speaker 1: part of it and rejuvenate your loneliness. Yeah, it was really,
Speaker 1: it was so fun. And it's also it sounds like,
Speaker 1: at least it's a testament to the Toronto film community
Speaker 1: as well, which I know all of us have a
Speaker 1: very large fondness for and and it is something that
Speaker 1: is a supportive family of that nature. And that's one
Speaker 1: of the things I love most about Toronto and about
Speaker 1: you and everyone else that I met doing Shadow Hunters. Everyone,
Speaker 1: it is a community, and you all do tend to,
Speaker 1: you know, support each other and know each other and
Speaker 1: bring each other into things and lift each other up
Speaker 1: when you're going through these moments. And that's that's such
Speaker 1: an important thing. We spend more time with each other
Speaker 1: than we do, you know, with our own families and families.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and you need that did that support system
Speaker 1: to get through those uh those days. You totally need
Speaker 1: that support system, but so happy I did that, so
Speaker 1: fun So um Andy Machette, who's amazing. I love Andy
Speaker 1: so much. He's such a good dude, such a good dude.
Speaker 1: Him and his sister Barbara, they're like amazing to work
Speaker 1: to work with. And um he basically because he was
Speaker 1: a storyboard artist, he drew the picture and they kind
Speaker 1: of already had it assembled. But Andy was like, you know,
Speaker 1: could you do a little bit more of this and
Speaker 1: a little more of that. And I took the wig
Speaker 1: and I had to really you know, fix it up
Speaker 1: and do my little touches to it, and then that
Speaker 1: became the iconic Pennywise. Look amazing, that's incredible. How many
Speaker 1: did you have? How many wigs did you have? Because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like blood and gore and special
Speaker 1: effects in that you have. There was when the gun,
Speaker 1: the blood gun goes awry, there was two wigs, and
Speaker 1: then then there was a third, so technically there was
Speaker 1: three wigs, but two of this kind of the same,
Speaker 1: but one was the hero and one ended up being
Speaker 1: the stunt double. And then in the first movie there
Speaker 1: was a kind of other scenes where all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it kind of grew long. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but those are the those were the three wigs, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know all Andy's like, wow, that seems that
Speaker 1: seems like a brave choice to only have the two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: could you clean You worked with actors before, like smoking
Speaker 1: or whatever, and something happens like, well, i'll tell you Bill,
Speaker 1: Bill scars Garnd is amazing and he was very respectful
Speaker 1: of the process, very respectful of the makeup and the
Speaker 1: hair and everything. So he was such a professional. So
Speaker 1: it's such a trooper um. But yeah, like the it
Speaker 1: didn't get messed up, believe it or not. So I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: I was able to clean it. I was able to recolor,
Speaker 1: I was able to, you know, do all sorts of
Speaker 1: stuff and it was pretty good. And so I for
Speaker 1: the first movie, I was just his I guess hair
Speaker 1: personal guy, and then the second movie, I was the
Speaker 1: department head. I was in the movie for two seconds, guys,
Speaker 1: two seconds really. So there's a scene with macavoy where
Speaker 1: he is in the studio at the beginning of the movie,
Speaker 1: like talking to his like wife. He's an actress. I'm
Speaker 1: the hairdresser that's doing her hair. That's okay, Oh, no way,
Speaker 1: it's amazing, Wow, they snuck you. Was that just one
Speaker 1: of those conversations like we've I know, I've done this
Speaker 1: before movies where they're just like someone didn't show up,
Speaker 1: or like we just need someone like and they're like, hey, Ryan,
Speaker 1: you know what you're doing with hair. Could you come
Speaker 1: and make this look real for us for a second,
Speaker 1: something like that, something like that. He he wanted to
Speaker 1: get a lot of the crew in that whole scene,
Speaker 1: so um, Peter Bodanovich was like supposed to be the
Speaker 1: director of that whole thing. So all the crew that
Speaker 1: was there was really the crew of the movie. It's
Speaker 1: so cool. No way, Wow, that's awesome. What a nice idea.
Speaker 1: That's a really cool that's yeah, that's a really cool
Speaker 1: way of of doing it. The hard work of the crew.
Speaker 1: So then so you worked with Isaiah twice obviously because
Speaker 1: Isaiah yes two we It's so funny because we had
Speaker 1: a he got cast than it I think in between
Speaker 1: season three and what should have been season four, and
Speaker 1: obviously we got canceled in between. So the script came
Speaker 1: out for these last two episodes that we ended up doing,
Speaker 1: and it literally says in the script and the stage
Speaker 1: directions it says Luke Enters uncharacteristically clean shaven, and we
Speaker 1: were all like, then does that mean sure enough, his
Speaker 1: beard's gone, But it's because he'd done it in the
Speaker 1: middle and he had to shave for it, so he
Speaker 1: had to. All of a sudden he turned up and
Speaker 1: he just had no beard, which I thought was great.
Speaker 1: Which he had never seen him without facial hair. We'd
Speaker 1: known the man for almost five years and had never
Speaker 1: seen him clean shaving. It was well, I mean, he
Speaker 1: looks amazing no matter what it's. Isaiah was like, you
Speaker 1: can't make him look bad if you try. But but
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it was. It was a new revelation
Speaker 1: for all of us. I think, um, so this moves
Speaker 1: is on quite neatly to one of my favorite news shows,
Speaker 1: The Umbrella Academy. Loved the like he loved The Umbrella Academy.
Speaker 1: The kid the Kids who plays the forty year old
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name. Oh my god, he's aid
Speaker 1: In Aiden Aiden. Aidan Gallagher plays number five. I did
Speaker 1: a movie with Emmy over the Pandemic. Yeah, she's like
Speaker 1: just a sunshine of a human. Yeah, yeah, I this
Speaker 1: is what I think is so funny when you watch
Speaker 1: a show like that, and you watch these kids and
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm quite a bit older than you, and
Speaker 1: I would love to be that good, and I don't
Speaker 1: think I am that good, And that's really annoying. Like
Speaker 1: you're doing a better version of an adult than I
Speaker 1: do in my sort of day to day, which is
Speaker 1: really like it's a trippy thing to deal with. Um,
Speaker 1: are you did you come back for season three? What
Speaker 1: did you do on the Umbrella Academy? I just said
Speaker 1: season one? Season one? Yeah, well I just this season
Speaker 1: one because then I went and did it too. That
Speaker 1: makes sense. Okay, that begs the question. Then tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about that, because again, that's another completely
Speaker 1: different world in this same kind of genre of sci
Speaker 1: fi superheroes and supernatural and all of this. So you
Speaker 1: were coming in to a completely new universe. So what
Speaker 1: was that. How was that experience for you having done
Speaker 1: Shadow Hunters and It and then coming into this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was so fun. Umbrella was really cool. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess once again, like just kind of creating the
Speaker 1: the characters like and then what their personalities were was
Speaker 1: really really really cool. Um. But also because it was
Speaker 1: based off of a comic book. We really didn't stay
Speaker 1: true to the the looks of the books. We kind
Speaker 1: of just said, okay, let's created a new thing, um,
Speaker 1: which was kind of fun, which I I don't know
Speaker 1: it was. It was a little bit. It was a
Speaker 1: way different than shadow Hunters in that respect because it
Speaker 1: was what I did it. It was kind of contemporary
Speaker 1: based also shadow Hunters, but everyone kind of like had
Speaker 1: a normal ish look. Wasn't too out there, well because
Speaker 1: it existed in the real world, in the contemporary world, like,
Speaker 1: oh well, it was hidden. So it was this you know,
Speaker 1: you didn't have to look like a normal person walking
Speaker 1: down the street, whereas these guys had to look. In fact,
Speaker 1: even more so because at the beginning of season one,
Speaker 1: these guys are all somewhat hiding who they are, right,
Speaker 1: so they have to be able to just mix into
Speaker 1: like the world. Um, well, I think you did a
Speaker 1: brilliant job. I loved that show. Thanks you. I really
Speaker 1: wish they had more like monkeys in it, more cgi monkeys.
Speaker 1: Is there were there more monkeys in the car. I
Speaker 1: never read the comic and the comic books bunch of them.
Speaker 1: It was just a matter of fact, like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: just you know, Mr. So and so or Mrs so
Speaker 1: and so walking down the street. So I wish he
Speaker 1: had a few more of those, but anyways, the one
Speaker 1: we had was really good. That's fascinating. See, these are
Speaker 1: the things that things that you learn that nobody ever
Speaker 1: gets to know until we talked to the people who
Speaker 1: were behind the scenes of the whole thing. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that was fun. Once again, that was another great bunch
Speaker 1: of ball together. That was was awesome, you know, Hopper,
Speaker 1: like every everybody any Tom's doing amazingly now as well,
Speaker 1: Like there are I like he is anything that's sort
Speaker 1: of going for like a handsome British guy. Tom's our guy.
Speaker 1: Tom's the guy getting it and then like a bitch,
Speaker 1: Tom guy really happy for you. He's supposed to be
Speaker 1: the nicest human being as well. He's supposed to be
Speaker 1: so sweet, which makes it really difficult to be like
Speaker 1: jealous and annoyed. You know, I've heard nothing but good
Speaker 1: things about him, and I'm like that's wonderful. Yeah, challenged
Speaker 1: and handsome and successful. He couldn't have been a dick
Speaker 1: like that would have made it easier, you know what,
Speaker 1: Dom He's just he's just too tall, dumb, He's too tall?
Speaker 1: There is How tall is he? How tall is he
Speaker 1: in real life? I don't know, six maybe six four?
Speaker 1: Maybe he's not that tough. But why did I ask?
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna ask. I knew it was
Speaker 1: gonna upset me. Why did I ask? I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm already I look very next. Yeah, for sure, for sure,
Speaker 1: for sure? Ryan? What is is there anything you're excited
Speaker 1: about sharing or like talking about what you've got coming up? Oh? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's announced, so I think I could talk.
Speaker 1: I can't really talk about it, but I could talk
Speaker 1: about that. There is a Netflix movie coming out. It's
Speaker 1: called Slumberland, so that would be a cool one. Jason
Speaker 1: Momoa is in it, and that's not a secret, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's been announced. So that's not like Dreamland one. Right,
Speaker 1: It's like Netflix is Alice in Wonderland kind of deal.
Speaker 1: It's like the dream she gets she can like figure
Speaker 1: out a dreamland. I think I just read something about this,
Speaker 1: so there you go that you said most of it
Speaker 1: kind of the same. Yeah, I don't want to get
Speaker 1: you in any trouble, but I think I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any trouble. I mean it's called Slumberland. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if they've really said much
Speaker 1: about it, but you know you got to just say right, yeah, Ryan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they can't fire me from that show, although maybe
Speaker 1: they could they like imagine if Netflix heard the podcast
Speaker 1: and they were like, well, you did just say this
Speaker 1: thing about our other Netflix shows. So I think we're
Speaker 1: going to actual contracts from the show that you're on now.
Speaker 1: It made a huge mistake, no, um, from that. I
Speaker 1: mean I literally just got hired on a on a
Speaker 1: series yesterday. Well congratulations. I can't talk about that one yet, congratulations. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, Um, we actually did. We kind of paved
Speaker 1: over one as well, because it was like, it's just
Speaker 1: occurring to me that you sort of we're fairly responsible
Speaker 1: for like some pretty iconic looks over the last like
Speaker 1: five ten years, from the Umbrella Academy to the franchise,
Speaker 1: and we kind of skipped over Star Trek, like you Trek,
Speaker 1: because again, that's something as you've talked about with the
Speaker 1: comic book for Umbrella Academy or the books for Shadow Hunters.
Speaker 1: This is I mean, this is Star Trek. It's one
Speaker 1: of the biggest sci fi fantasy franchises ever ever. Well, Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I did season one of Star Trek Discovery,
Speaker 1: which was really cool to work on because we had Sneka,
Speaker 1: Martin Green, Michelle Yo come on, Oh my God, and
Speaker 1: and many more that I can't remember the names right now,
Speaker 1: but it was it was really fun. Jason Isaacs, Jason Isaacs,
Speaker 1: I love Jason. You called my dad a pilot, ago
Speaker 1: is it? Listen? I kept trying to get him to
Speaker 1: put a white wig That's where my head would have
Speaker 1: been as well, or just have him say once, just
Speaker 1: all I need is once. I can use it as
Speaker 1: like my ringtime I need. Yeah, he did not love
Speaker 1: that stuff, but um, he's so nice. He's so nice,
Speaker 1: So Jason Isaacs. Who else was? Anyways? There was a
Speaker 1: there was a lot of great people on that one. Um.
Speaker 1: What was fun about that show is I got to
Speaker 1: really tell a story through hair and hair texture, and
Speaker 1: that it's literally like the first black female lead of
Speaker 1: a Star Trek series ever, and that we got to
Speaker 1: tell the story through her hair. Um. Season one, because
Speaker 1: she is a she like a captain or something. What
Speaker 1: was she? She? She was and then she kind of um,
Speaker 1: you know, she she was raised Vulcan and she had
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like this short kind of crop
Speaker 1: smooth hairstyle. And then as she does a mutiny and
Speaker 1: goes to prison and then her hair is natural and
Speaker 1: so she's got the short, natural kind of hair, which
Speaker 1: was amazing to work with Snequa and to collab with
Speaker 1: because my we really wanted to show like that through texture,
Speaker 1: like hair texture, to be proud of it, like we
Speaker 1: don't have to have straight hair as as a black woman.
Speaker 1: You can have your natural texture. And to me, that
Speaker 1: was so important to showcase that. Yeah, I remember reading
Speaker 1: articles about that when it came out in all the trades.
Speaker 1: It made such a big splash and made such a
Speaker 1: an impact for so many people. And I mean the
Speaker 1: fact that you know you are largely responsible for that,
Speaker 1: that's a incredible and be something to be really proud of. Oh,
Speaker 1: it was so fun. It was so fun, I mean,
Speaker 1: and then we got to do like other stuff. We
Speaker 1: got like you know, Vulcans and Clingons, although the Clingons
Speaker 1: had no hair that season. One thing I can say,
Speaker 1: even though there is a level of creativity, there's also
Speaker 1: a level of definitely everything has to be approved by
Speaker 1: the higher ups, and so there was a few times
Speaker 1: where you kind of feel like it's pulled back a
Speaker 1: little bit, unlike Shadow Hunters. So there's a bit of
Speaker 1: that in that world, which I wish that I could
Speaker 1: have pushed the envelope a little bit more, but there's
Speaker 1: only so far that it could have went. But that's okay. Um.
Speaker 1: I didn't do season two, but I went back for
Speaker 1: season three because at season two I was doing Umbrella
Speaker 1: Academy and then I went back for season three. It's like, it's,
Speaker 1: honestly like you you come in and do a season
Speaker 1: one and then find the next season one, Like what
Speaker 1: other revolutions can I make in hair? I mean, I
Speaker 1: want to start something new and then yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: I'll come back and do your one as long as
Speaker 1: there's not another season one or another like Stephen King
Speaker 1: iconic horror thing that I need to put together. Like
Speaker 1: just like I like making things, I like making the
Speaker 1: start for everything and making everyone love the hair, and
Speaker 1: then I'm just going to piece out for the world
Speaker 1: building guy. The world building guy. Honestly, no, you know
Speaker 1: what it is. Really, it's you just kept like people
Speaker 1: keep offering your other jobs and then if there's a
Speaker 1: lull in between the next season picking up. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: just have to take the thing that's in front of you.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what has happened why I don't
Speaker 1: end up sometimes coming back unless they literally tell you
Speaker 1: from the get go we're doing X amount of seasons
Speaker 1: and we want you for all of them. It's really
Speaker 1: hard sometimes, Like with you guys your options, like you
Speaker 1: you have to do X amount of seasons, whereas us
Speaker 1: it's like they don't do that for the regular crew, right,
Speaker 1: So that's how sometimes we get we have, you know,
Speaker 1: we get snatched up by other projects. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure you do because you're so good, Like you know,
Speaker 1: that's what we're sort of briefly touching on earlier, Like
Speaker 1: if you're good at creating this stuff, if you're good
Speaker 1: at what you do, and you're a nice person mixed
Speaker 1: in with that as well, why wouldn't people be snatching
Speaker 1: you up a bank? It isn't you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like it's a very easy thing to be like, of
Speaker 1: course we're going to take him over to us. They're
Speaker 1: they're snapping you up across the pond now, all the
Speaker 1: way in Bonnie, Scotland, Bonnie Scotland. How Bonnie is it though?
Speaker 1: Is it nice there? Scotland gets about two weeks of
Speaker 1: nice weather a year. It is um currently raining, so
Speaker 1: not so Bonnie today. It's Bownie down here where I am.
Speaker 1: I know London's having a lovely summer and it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Scotland's not, so what a pity? Um Well, Ryan, I
Speaker 1: just want to say, first of all, thank you so
Speaker 1: much one for the amazing things you did for us
Speaker 1: in our show, for starting all the mornings off with
Speaker 1: a smile, and and then for coming on the show
Speaker 1: and being able to share some of this behind the
Speaker 1: scenes experience that just nobody really gets to hear about.
Speaker 1: So it's really special that we get to share this stuff.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much. Jude listen, I appreciate it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's it really is such an incredible thing. You know,
Speaker 1: it's been so many years, and the fact that you
Speaker 1: were so kind to come back and chat with us,
Speaker 1: and truly, you know, clearly, given the vast expanse of
Speaker 1: your work, you are a master at what you do
Speaker 1: and we wanted to celebrate that. So thank you for
Speaker 1: for coming on and chatting with us and reconnecting and
Speaker 1: returning to the Shadows as it were. Thank you, thank
Speaker 1: you guys for having me. This is this pleasant surprise.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm really glad. I'm so glad I did
Speaker 1: this and you guys. I've been watching you guys and
Speaker 1: your careers and I'm really happy when I see you
Speaker 1: guys on the Telly so amazing. Hopefully our possible cross
Speaker 1: again soon, right, Hopefully it's not too long before we
Speaker 1: get to work with each other again. Everything fucking films
Speaker 1: in Toronto, so I'm sure we'll be up there at
Speaker 1: some point. I know. Yeah, it's a big world, but
Speaker 1: a small house. It'll happen, for sure, We'll make it happen. Well, Ryan,
Speaker 1: enjoy your dance set. It's been a pleasure. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much again, seriously, thank you. Take care of yourself
Speaker 1: all right. Return to the Shadows just hosted an executive
Speaker 1: produced by me Dominic Sherwood and Katherine McNamara. Our executive
Speaker 1: producer is Lingley. Our senior producers are Liz Hayes and
Speaker 1: Diego Tapia, and our producers are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermilion.
Speaker 1: Original music by Alex Kinsey performed by Alex Kinsey and
Speaker 1: Katherine McNamara,