1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huttle on giants 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: dot com on the Giants of the Giants podcast Network. 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the newest edition of the Giant Subtle Podcast, 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: John Smoke with you. Today's guest is Matt Miller, who's 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: starting a new venture that we hear about in just 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: a second. But first let's remind everybody you can find 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: the Giant Subtle Podcast as part of our Giants Podcast Network, 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: which is presented by Investors Bank. You can find the 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: archive of all of our shows at jihants dot com, 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: slash podcast on the Giants Mobile app, and your favorite 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: podcast platforms. And now we're joined by friend of the show. 12 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: He's been joining us every year, probably almost for the 13 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: past half decade. Now. That is Matt Miller, formerly of 14 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: Bleacher Report. But if you want to find Matt, there's 15 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: a new place to find them that I'm very excited about. Matt. 16 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Thanks for being back with us, 17 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: and tell everybody about your new venture. Yeah, John, appreciate 18 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: you having me on. It's good to talk to you again. 19 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: Like like you said, we do this every year, it 20 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: feels like so it's gonna be back after a decade 21 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: of working at Bleacher Report, I really just felt like 22 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: it was time to ben Ture out on my own, 23 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: um and kind of reignite some of the you know, 24 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: the fire that got me into this business ten years 25 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: ago and help me go from an unheard of website 26 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: to be in the lead NFL guy Bleacher Report. So 27 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: I've lounched a new website called the draft Scout dot 28 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: com where people will be able to find my my drafts, 29 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: player ratings, featured articles, scouting reports, everything that you would 30 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: you know, come to expect from my time at Bleach Report, 31 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: just a lot more. And then also a lot of 32 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: community features. Um, We've actually got happy hours set up, 33 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: scouting clinics that you can do virtually. Uh. And then 34 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: I've got some friends in the league, players, agents, media 35 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: members who are gonna hop in and just like hang 36 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: out with people on on you know virtual hangouts for 37 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: thirty minutes or an hour once a week. So trying 38 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: to build a community around you know, the content basically 39 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: now that that's Terevian. Of course, you can find Matt 40 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: on Twitter at NFL Draft Scout. We have links to 41 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: everything that he's doing, so make sure you go check 42 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: that out. Of the podcast as well, so everyone, I 43 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: encourage you to go find that. And Matt, unlike myself, 44 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: was able to venture twomobile this year to check out 45 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: everything going on at the Senior Bowl. So I guess, 46 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: just from a selfish perspective, I almost spend too much 47 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: time on this map. But how different was it? Obviously? 48 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: I know it's a new stadium this year, you know, 49 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: everyone moved out a lot of people's but just the 50 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: entire atmosphere and how it went. How was the Senior 51 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: Bowl different? You know, John, the new stadium is beautiful. 52 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: That's the first thing. And and I start there because 53 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: what's weird is once you get into the stadium you 54 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: kind of forget that it's different. I mean, obviously, you know, 55 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: we had to wear a mask the whole time, but 56 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: I generally sit with a small group of people kind 57 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: of away from everyone else to try to watch practice. 58 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: And you know, you don't want to be bothered by people, 59 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: and you don't want your conversation to bother other people 60 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: as well. So of course, socially distancing in the stands 61 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: that the Senior Bowl is a normal thing, like we've 62 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: all been doing that for years, So that part of 63 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: it it just felt normal, and so it was really 64 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: cool to like walk into a stadium and watch live 65 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: football again. That's something I hadn't done all year. As 66 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: far as what was different, really just the access to players. Um, 67 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, after practice you are you weren't getting those 68 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, let me go grab a guy on the 69 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: field and exchange information or set up a quick interview. 70 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: There was no more of that, So that's probably the 71 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: biggest difference. But you know, otherwise, it really just felt 72 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: like the status quo exever, the fact that you had 73 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: to wear a mask and you had to just kind 74 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: of keep your distance for everybody. Now, you talked to 75 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the NFL, the scouts and everything. 76 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: Give me a feel from their perspective how much different 77 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: end or more difficult this year is going to be. 78 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: I know a lot of schools were not allowing with 79 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: scouts on campus. There's gonna be no right uh scout 80 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: and combine, so you're gonna have limited face to face 81 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: with players there. The Senior Bowl is really your only shot. 82 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: So give me your feel from what you're getting from 83 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: people in the league about how what this process is 84 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: gonna be like this year and how much more difficult. 85 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: It's gonna be the hardest thing for Scott's I have 86 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: talked to is that not having that in person ability 87 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: to evaluate players. You can't you can't go sit down 88 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: with Trevor Lawrence and figure out who he is as 89 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: a human being. You're doing it via zoom. And I 90 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: think one thing that the Senior Bowl did that was 91 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: really smart was they basically set up like a prison 92 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: plexiglass like booth where a scout could go sit on 93 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: one side of the plexi glass and actually talk to 94 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: a player in person. And I was talking to to 95 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: a scout for an NFC team and he was explaining 96 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: this to me, and it was like, I mean, is 97 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: there a phone? Do you pick it up? Is it? 98 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like you see on TV. And 99 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: he's like, you know, but like this is the first 100 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: time I've seen players in person this year, So you know, 101 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: it's like it's weird because you know, body language and 102 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: and a lot of you know, energy doesn't come across 103 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: the zoom calls. I think we've all been on a 104 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,119 Speaker 1: zoom call so far and just been like what the heck, 105 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, like, what is going on here? And so 106 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: that in person has been huge. I think that's one 107 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: of the big differences this year. No scouting combine is huge. 108 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: I do think that the consensus is it will be 109 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: a lot like last year, where the first twenty picks 110 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: of the draft. Last year were pretty predictable. It's like, okay, 111 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: good football players went pretty early, and then you know, 112 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: there were a couple of surprises. I think, you know, 113 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: the Raiders taking Dame in our nett at nineteen overall, 114 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: that was a pretty big surprise. But you know, otherwise 115 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, this went how we expect did. Good 116 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: football players went early and there wasn't that opportunity for 117 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: workout warriors to drive up the board. I think this 118 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: year is gonna be the same because you know, last year, 119 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: at least there was somewhat of a combine, uh and 120 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: you could see some guys perform. This year, it's nothing. 121 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: And let me tell you, nobody's gonna trust these pro 122 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: day numbers. How is my next question for you. Nobody's 123 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: gonna you know, this would be something kid at Penn 124 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: State who was gonna run like a four to one ape, Like, 125 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: come on, I remember last year, right, Cameron Danceler ran 126 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: like about a four or five nine to combine. Then 127 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: he like flips up like a four three eight as 128 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: this at a state pro day. I'm like, come on, dude, 129 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: really right. And you know a good friend of mine, 130 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: I know you know him as well, Matt Bowen, who 131 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: was in the NFL forever, and I asked him about 132 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: his pro day way back in the day, and he's like, man, 133 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: that surface aisle was just like running on concrete. It 134 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: was so hard. I ran so fast. And you know, 135 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: as a scout, you know some places traditionally have a 136 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: fast surface and you know that. And I mentioned Penn 137 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: State because they are probably like the biggest one where 138 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: it's like those dudes are gonna run really well, um, 139 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: and you have to almost like account of that in 140 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: your evaluation. So it's important. You gotta have your own 141 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: guy there time. And because the school is gonna put 142 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: out a ridiculous forty times that's not gonna be anything 143 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: close to realistic, and you gotta make sure they actually 144 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: measure out forty yards, which is always not the case either, 145 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: but exactly like I would. I know they won't run 146 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: it on the turf, but you would really love them 147 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: to run it on the turf. Exactly. All right, Matt, 148 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about the Senior Bowl. This game always 149 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: has a handful, you know, anywhere from three to half dozen, 150 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: i'd say, players that managed to sneak into the first round. 151 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: Who are the guys that you really like coming out 152 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: of Mobile that you think could sneak into the back 153 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: end of that round Number one, Yeah, I think the 154 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: first player. As far as guys who actually participated, I 155 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: don't want to include Davonte Smith, not really do anything, 156 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,799 Speaker 1: but I think to Darius Tony, the wider stuer from Florida, 157 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: it would be and obvious, you know, as far as 158 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: the you know, true seniors, not early graduate juniors. He 159 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: was the highest ranked true senior that I had going 160 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: down there, and he showed up all week and really 161 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: the burst, the route running the I know, like a 162 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: highlight one around of him dropping a pass. He didn't 163 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: do that often in college or during the week of 164 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: the Senior Ball. So don't get carried away with like 165 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: one video that went viral or whatever. I think Canarius 166 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: Tony solidified himself as a top Now the big one 167 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: is Mac Jones, the quarterback from Alabama who as a 168 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: red shirt junior as a graduate junior was able to 169 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: go to Mobile thanks to that new rule. And he 170 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: looked good, Johnny really did. I was skeptical of, man, 171 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: how's this guy gonna look not throw into you know, 172 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: four first round wide receivers behind an all probe basically 173 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: offensive line with the best running back to college behind him? 174 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: How good is this guy really going to be? And 175 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: he impressed me, he really did. He he was a 176 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: little bit more athletic than I expected. I thought the 177 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: ball in terms of velocity, it's probably about where you 178 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: thought it would be, but it looked a little bit 179 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: better than it does on TV. And then the the energy, 180 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: the leadership, the character that was all super oppressive. And 181 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: everyone I talked to about Mac Jones last week said 182 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, coaches who interacted with him, 183 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: scouts who interacted with him, Jim Naggy, who was the 184 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: executive director of the Senior Bowl, everybody just raved about. 185 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: You know, this guy was bringing great energy to the 186 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: practice field and and in a lot of ways. You know, 187 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: I remember when Baker Mayfield went down there and did 188 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: that and really jumped a lot of people in that 189 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: draft class because he had such a great Senior Bowl 190 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: week that it was like, man, this guy's he's got it. 191 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: As far as a leader football, I Q it's there. 192 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: I think mac Jones is maybe quite not the natural 193 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: leader that Baker is, but we saw him really help 194 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: himself this week. So those two are now, in my opinion, 195 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: no doubt first rounders. A couple other names I'll throw 196 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: at you. I think Brooke Cox, the linebacker from l 197 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: s U UH solidified himself as a first rounder. James Hudson, 198 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: the offensive tackle from Cincinnati looked really good. Aaron Robinson, 199 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: the corner from Central Florida UH dominated as well. UH. 200 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: And then Levi on Zerik from Washington. I know he 201 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: only practiced the first day, but he was great, great 202 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: in that day one, and that's usually good enough. Alex 203 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: Leatherwood from Alabama looked as expected. So those guys are 204 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: all top forty players, without a doubt. And and as 205 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: you said, there's usually a couple more, whether that's like 206 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: a Don't Raiden's type or uh, you know, something like that, 207 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: who could push their way up into that first round. 208 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: Is a little bit of a surprise in terms of 209 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: edge rushers. You know, usually it's not a great event 210 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: for edge rushers, you and Montez Sweat and who did 211 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: a really nice job a couple of years ago. But frankly, 212 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: a lot of the great edge rushers usually come out 213 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: after they come out before their senior year, so you 214 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: don't necessarily see him in Mobile. Who are some of 215 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: the guys that you think if the Giants are trying 216 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: to find an edge guy, and I think both of 217 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: us agree, probably there's not going to be someone they're 218 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: worth the price of admission at number eleven. They're trying 219 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: to grab someone in the second or third round any 220 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: of these edge rushers, and Mobile made one of the 221 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: Notre Dame guys that that you think could be a 222 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: worthy selection for the Giants at edge on day two. Yeah, 223 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: you know you mentioned Notre Dame. Dalen Hayes is definitely 224 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: one of those players. But I would look at the 225 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: two pit players. Patrick Jones the second six five, two 226 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: sixty four, and he showed the Athletics as them all week. 227 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: You know he was there. It's like, Okay, this is obvious. 228 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: He uses his link really well. He can dip that 229 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: inside shoulder to get underneath the hands and pass blockers. 230 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: And then his teammate Rashad Weaver, who does bounce around 231 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: a little bit. He missed twenty nine team of an injury, 232 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: played well at the Senior Bowl all week. He's a 233 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: little bit bigger, six five, he's probably gonna go about 234 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: two seventy five. And again, he's played three tech, he's 235 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: played five tech. He's played out in the six, he 236 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: played a little bit out in the nine. Even so, 237 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: he just brings a lot of overstilities. So outside of 238 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: Dalen Hayes, those are two players that I think are 239 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: guys who could be special. They look good all week. 240 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: A little bit of a sleeper be White Hubert from 241 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: Kansas State. Uh, he had a really productive two dozen 242 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: twenty and showed up really really well at the Senior Bowl. 243 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be surprised if he might be like 244 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: an early round three target with somebody who you know, 245 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: definitely made an impact all week and it looks like 246 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: an NFL starter. Hopefully he figures out to stop hitting 247 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: the quarterback during practice, mad role, that was the thing, right, 248 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: stop at the quarterback. It's okay, Hey, sorry, how do 249 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: you see bash him? You know, I liked him better 250 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: as an interior Russia watching him during practice. He's two eighty. 251 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: He kind of has the feel of that kind of 252 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: you know New England Patriot power defensive end that can 253 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: move inside. And we know the Giants are doing a 254 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: lot of things like the Patriots did. Oh you know 255 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: over the past couple of decades. Where do you think 256 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: Basham fits in in the NFL? Yeah, I'm with you. 257 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: And and he's a name I should have mentioned a 258 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: little bit earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if those late 259 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: round one teams look at him because he he had 260 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: a great week. I mean, he really did. And like 261 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: you said, he could play everywhere. And the thing was 262 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: the key with Basham was wherever he lined up, he 263 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: was winning. So whether it was as a four three 264 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: defensive end, as a four three three tech you know, 265 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: if if they were running three man fronts, he could 266 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: play there. Uh. He probably was the most complete defensive 267 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: lineman at the Senior Bowl this year in terms of 268 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: what they did during the practices. Um. I do think 269 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: that he'll get hit a little bit as like that tweener. 270 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: But you know, everybody wants that, you know, wants to 271 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: make the comparison to like a Michael Bennett. He's a 272 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: little bit bigger than Michael Bennett. But I think it's 273 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: usage could be very where where Like you said, he 274 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: could play outside, he could play inside. It's just a 275 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: matter of starting to think of these guys as positionless 276 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: players instead of well we need a left defensive end. 277 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: We gotta go get this. With bash them, you can 278 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: get someone who can do a couple of different things 279 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: for you. I was really impressed by the wide receiver 280 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,599 Speaker 1: class out there again, and is this something going to 281 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: start being a theme here Matt? Where college is just 282 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: you know, manufacturing end list amount of five eleven quick 283 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: wide receivers that can win in space. But every time 284 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: I left up, whether it was Amory Rogers or Shy 285 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: Smith or k Johnson, just going on the list, all 286 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: these guys seem to be built similarly, but they're impossible 287 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,599 Speaker 1: to cover in space one on one. Yeah, And you know, 288 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: to Darius Tony who I mentioned, Dwayne Eskridge, Smith, Rogers, right, 289 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I just go down the list. And 290 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: that was the thing this year. You know, I was 291 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: sitting with some guys who cover the Chiefs and they 292 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: were like, God, we love a big receiver, Like you're 293 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: not getting that this year, sorry, Like you see those little, short, 294 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: fast guys like that's what you like. And and you 295 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: know there wasn't uh, you know, Nico Collins from Michigan, 296 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: a big guys stage surrapping week forest. They didn't really 297 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: differentiate themselves, and it could just be the nature of 298 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: in a practice setting. You know, those quick guys stand out. 299 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: You know Kay Johnson uh didn't get played last year 300 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: because Missouri Valley didn't have football, and he made probably 301 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: the best catch of the week, and his quickness was 302 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: absolutely on on point. Amari Rodgers is one of those dudes. 303 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: It's like, let's just get him the ball. However you 304 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: gotta do it, get him the ball. Um. But they 305 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: were very, very impressive players all week long. You're right, 306 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: It's just it seems like every year we're like, God, 307 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: is a good receiver class. That might just be the norm. 308 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: It might just be that there's good receivers every year 309 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 1: and we can stop being surprised about it at this point. 310 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: How do you compare this class in general to last year, 311 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: which obviously had really good receivers going as late as 312 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: the third round. I don't think it's as good as 313 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: last year. I know a lot of people want to 314 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: kind of make that comparison, and that's fair. I think 315 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: last year was better. Last year, I had like seven 316 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: or eight guys who were like these might be Round 317 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: one players in a normal year. I genuinely don't have that. 318 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: This year. I have four receivers ranked in the first 319 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: round who I really liked. There After that, I think 320 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: you start to stretch a little bit for guys like 321 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: Elijah Moore and ron Dale Moore two to at well, 322 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: Rashad Bateman and Terrace Marshall. So it to me, like 323 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: those guys last year, they wouldn't have been you know, 324 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: it's highly regarded. So it's a good class, it really is, 325 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: and there's there's good depth. I have a I have 326 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: a ton of receivers ranked in the top one, you know, 327 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: I want to say, like seventeen of them or something 328 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: crazy like that. So it's it's very deep, but there's 329 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: not that the high end is not quite as good 330 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: as last year's. So maybe the top three might be 331 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: better this year, but then numbers four through ten aren't 332 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: where they wore last year, is basically what I'm saying. 333 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: I see that, and I do think that this year 334 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: compares really well to last year. You have you know 335 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: the kind of smaller, silky smooth route runner. Jerry Judy 336 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: was that. This year it's DeVante Smith. You've got the 337 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: you know, physical player who you know plays bigger than 338 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: he is. That last year it was Ceedee Lamb. This 339 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: year it's to March Chase. And then you have just 340 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: the freak show home run hitter with speed last year 341 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: Henry Rodds, this year Janyalen Waddle. So I think it 342 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: does compare really well the top three, you know, but 343 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: last year, like this isn't revisions history. I really liked 344 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson last year, and look how good he was 345 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: this year, you know, So Justin Jefferson, would you know, 346 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: I think in this year's class would give you know, 347 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: it would probably give those guys a little bit of 348 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: a run for their money, or would be at least 349 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: ranked closer in a grouping with them than he was 350 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: with that group last year. Interesting, Nico Collins, you mentioned 351 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: them very quickly. I did like the fact that he 352 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: was able to separate deep and make some contested catches. 353 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: I thought he tracked the ball well. He had to 354 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: contort his body to make some of those catches. But 355 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: do you see him more as almost like a deep 356 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: threat role player for for lack of a better term, 357 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: or do you think he could develop into somebody that 358 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: can win at all three levels. I think that's the 359 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: key is watching his route and development over the course 360 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: of the year. You know, because he is he's big, 361 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: six four and a quarter to fifteen. I know, you know, 362 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: folks at Michigan before the opt out, we're saying he 363 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: would probably run in the four fours. So that's that's 364 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: really good, right, That's that's a big canvas to work with. 365 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: I think there were times, especially earlier in the week, 366 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: he needed to unchain his hips a little bit. He 367 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: was a little bit stiff, kind of expecting you haven't 368 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: played football for a year. But I think the key there, 369 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: John will be like, okay with a body like that 370 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: early on, let's get you on slants, comebacks and go routes. 371 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: But you have to be able to develop beyond that, 372 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: you know. So I think that is the key is 373 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: watching that development. I don't want to compare him to 374 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf because DK is just no one should be 375 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: compared to him ever again, but in a similar way 376 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: that Decaff came out of old Miss Dude ran three 377 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: routes there, and it wasn't that he couldn't run more, 378 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: he just hadn't and so it was a matter of 379 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: developing that route tree over the course of his career 380 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: early on. It has worked and he's become a great player. 381 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: All right, let's jump into the class in general. We 382 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: joined by Matt Miller from his new venture. You can 383 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: find him on Twitter at NFL Draft Scout you can 384 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: find all the information of of how to subscribe and 385 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: all of that. So Matt, let's talk in general about 386 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: this class. The Giants select at eleven. Overall, looking at 387 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: this class early on, I almost feel like, I don't 388 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: want to use the word no man's land, but they 389 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: don't think that's fair. But I feel like they might 390 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: be out of that first here a little bit, and 391 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: right at the second of that next group, which I 392 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 1: think is is fairly big. Do you think that's a 393 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: fair explanation of of kind of where the talent of 394 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: this draft mayland in the first twenty or so picks. Yeah, 395 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: I definitely think that, And it is it's not them, 396 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: it's no man's land. But you're you kind of look 397 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: at the team's needs, right and you look at where 398 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: players are going to call up the board and you're like, gosh, 399 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: who's gonna be there, you know, because the expectation is 400 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: those top three receivers are gonna be gone at this point, Jamaar, Chase, 401 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: Javante Spent, Janel Waddle, whatever order you want to have 402 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: them come up the board, they're likely going to be gone. 403 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: The same for Kyle Pitts coming out of Florida. Whether 404 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: you view him as a tight end or wide receiver, 405 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: a little of both, he's likely to be off the board. 406 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: So the Giants kind of fall in the spot of 407 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna see a run on quarterbacks, wide receivers and 408 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: offensive tackles and the top ten picks, and while the 409 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: Giants will not be drafting a quarterback, you kind of 410 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: get in that spot of okay, like, well, what's gonna 411 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: be there? Is it a Micah Parsons, Is that Patrick Surtan, 412 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: Caleb Farley? You know? So it's it's an area where 413 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: you might get to eleven and you you have that 414 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: pick and you're excited to use it, but there might 415 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: not be a lot of value there. So, I mean, 416 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: we have three months to talk about trade down scenarios 417 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: and if somebody wants to jump to get a quarterback, 418 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: which you slide back. But I do think eleven is 419 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: kind of a weird spot this year, Like eleven to fifteen, 420 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: feels like an area where you're not necessarily getting great 421 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: value in relation to that pick's worth. Johanant fans get 422 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: a New York Giants checking account from Investors Bank with 423 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: a Giants branded debit card, security features and discount at 424 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: the John's online shop. You're got enough tone fifty dollars 425 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: when you open an account in Investor's Bank. Dot com 426 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: slash Giants member f d I C. How do you 427 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: classify those defensive players at the top of the draft, Matt. 428 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: Do you look at them and say, all right, these 429 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: guys have elite skills, you have to refine them. Is 430 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: it a reach talent wise? And when you compare those 431 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: two too, maybe the next best wide receiver. Is it 432 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: just worth it to wait until the second round, because 433 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, this is such a deep class. Yeah, 434 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: you on wait ntill the second round. If the big 435 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: three receivers are off the board, There's there's not anyone 436 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: that you would feel, even trade wise, is worth reaching 437 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: for at eleven. So I think you know, you get 438 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: to this spot where the quarterbacks are gone, the top 439 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: three receivers are gone, Cole Pits has gone. It becomes 440 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: a matter of and and I'll say it's two offensive 441 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: tackles are probably gone as well, so Slater and at 442 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: this point, yeah, so I think, you know, you get 443 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: to this point where it's like, look at the defenders. 444 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: You know, Michael Parsons, I do believe it's a top 445 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: five or six player in this class. It's a matter 446 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: of how do you envisioned him being used? You know, 447 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: he's more of a defensive weapon, you know, first and 448 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: second and he could play linebacker third day, and he 449 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: might be better off rushing the quarterback, uh than the 450 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: two corners I mentioned bug big guys six one plus 451 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 1: very very physical. Um So, I think those three players 452 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: are based on where people will stack their board. They're 453 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: a good value, Like if they're there at eleven, that's 454 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: a pretty good value. But it does become a matter of, Okay, 455 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: how do you want to build your team though? You know, 456 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: do you want to spend the top eleven pick and 457 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: topple and pick money on a lineback or and we 458 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: know deb Guttaman loves linebackers, So maybe that is the 459 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: way he wants to go. Uh. You know, we're looking 460 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: at the corner position where you know, you added James 461 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: brad Burry and fraid to see you know, you you 462 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: have someone who's good at really good at one spot. 463 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: But it's a matter of okay, do we do we 464 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: feel like these either of these players could be you know, 465 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: lockdown year one starters again, otherwise you might consider trade back. 466 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: But there's a drop off, you know, from Kayleb Farland, 467 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: Patrick Saratan to the next best corner I think it's J. C. 468 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: Hornet South Carolina. It's pretty big drop off From Michael 469 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: Parsons at linebacker to Jeremiah Usu Cormoa is a little 470 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: bit of a drop off, but there's also a big 471 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: size drop off. You know, Usu Cormoa smaller guy. You know, 472 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: he's more of a hybrid player at six twenty, whereas 473 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: Michael Parsons is. So I think that's one of the 474 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: keys is you know, you look at these players on 475 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: defense and they're at the top of their position, they're 476 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: top ten players on the board, and the drop off 477 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: to the next best guy at their spot is pretty big. 478 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: So that's something that you know, the front office has 479 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: to consider it. Okay, if we if we don't take 480 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: a corner here, do we like the round two talent, 481 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: If we don't take a linebacker, do we like the 482 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: round two talent? Uh, it's you know, same for wide 483 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: receiver and all the other positions. To how do you 484 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: see Parsons playing in the NFL? Mada see a guy 485 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: that first second down? He's an off ball guy. Can 486 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: he put his hand in the dirt in passing situations 487 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: and be a bit of an edge? What do you 488 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: see his role like in the NFL? Yeah, I think 489 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: Johnny he's like a ball of clay that needs molded 490 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: a little bit. And not playing last year we didn't 491 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: get to see that next step development. But he is 492 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: just scary athletic. You know, he's around a four or 493 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: four three pounds, which is crazy, and so we've seen 494 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: him play edge, we've seen him play stack linebacker. Um, 495 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: I think he's you know, in the run game, like 496 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: you said, first second down, he's man be great. He's 497 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: athletic enough to cover running backs and tight ends. You know, 498 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of I think we're finding that 499 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, getting him a little bit 500 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: better in those situations. But that's a lot of college linebackers, 501 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: you know, especially big college linebackers. So I think, you know, 502 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: ideally his usagees has a better version of Jalen Smith. 503 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: You know, at Jalen Smith never been injured. Maybe it's 504 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: that type of player where you know, we were starting 505 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: to see from Jalen and Notre Dame the the ability 506 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: to just dominate with his range but then rush a 507 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: little bit on third down. And I think from a 508 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: defensive perspective, this is what people want to be able 509 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: to do right now, is you know, you put your 510 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: defensive grouping out there, the offense doesn't know what that 511 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: player is gonna do. It's a little bit like Jamal 512 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: Adams in Seattle, where he's out there, you don't know 513 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: where he's gonna line up though, so it makes it 514 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: a little bit harder to combat what you're doing in 515 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: terms of your offensive personnel. So whether it's you know, 516 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: Tyra Matthew, Jamal Adams, uh Hassan Reddick in Arizona, we're 517 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of guys who are able to just 518 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: play multiple positions. Isaiah Simmons I think will eventually get 519 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: there so players who can play multiple positions. The rub 520 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: with that is like they're not always you know, super 521 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: big impacts year one because they're they're kind of learning 522 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: one position for the first time. Yeah. I feel like 523 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: linebackers are always a position that it takes them a 524 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: year or two to kind of figure out what they're 525 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: being asked to do in the NFL, because frankly, it's 526 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: so much different than than than than what they're asked 527 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: to do in college. Limited Giant season tickets are on 528 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: sale now for the season. 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But if you do need help in 539 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: this class, are you finding it? Are you really or 540 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: is this going to be one of those, you know, 541 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: position scarcity situations where wherever you pick one you might 542 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: not be getting the value that you might get if 543 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: you're picking someone at a different spot. You know, it's weird. 544 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: I like this edge class a lot, actually, but there's 545 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: not that. Like you said, there's not a neck bost So, 546 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: there's not a Chase Young, it's not a Khalil Mack 547 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: von Miller. Those those players don't exist, at least from 548 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: an evaluation standpoint. It is a good edge class, though 549 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: Quitty Pay at Michigan Super Athletic has played all over 550 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: the D line there. Miami has two players, Gregor Russo 551 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: and Jalen Phillips, both supersized six five plus two six 552 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: plus a Zzo Glari smaller player from Georgia who just 553 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: has a dominant first step, Joseph Oside from Texas. Uh 554 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: kind of new to the position but dominated this past year. 555 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: So and then Joe Trying at Washington another player who 556 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: stand up Rusher excellent, excellent play string. Uh. Those are 557 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 1: the you know, five six guys who could be Round 558 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: one type players at the edge position. I think the 559 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: key is will someone separate themselves enough where you feel 560 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: like you have to draft one at eleven. So again, 561 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, thinking about a trade back scenario, Giants are 562 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: at eleven. If somebody wants to grab a quarterback, you 563 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: might want to trade back, even if it's one spot 564 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: to twelve. You might even want to trade back to 565 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: fifteen because there's this cluster of edge rushers where, in 566 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: my opinion, none of these guys is that much better 567 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: than the other where you have to get them. You know, 568 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: if you trade back four spots and you miss on 569 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: Quitty Pay but you get Gregory Russo, I go, okay, 570 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: well you feel pretty good about that because their value 571 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: is about the same. All right, So this is more 572 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: of a strategy question. Then. Alright, let's say if the 573 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: Giants decide hanging into the draft right, we need to 574 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: walk away with a wide receiver. We need to walk 575 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: away with an edge rusher or an offensive weapon in 576 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: edge udger. I every want to look at it. And 577 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: to your point, those top four playmakers are gone at eleven. 578 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: How do you think the Giants, assuming they can't trade down, 579 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: or maybe that's the only answer, I don't know, how 580 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: do they mold their strategy that they can figure out 581 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: a way to get out of this thing with both 582 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: that offensive weapon, whether it's a wide receiver or tight 583 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: end or whatever, plus an edge rusher that can help 584 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: you rushing the passer. Yeah, I would. So let's say again, 585 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: you know the big guys are off the board. I 586 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: would go pass rusher to eleven. If you can't get 587 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: out of that spot, go with a quidty pay or 588 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: go with Gregory Russo at eleven, and then come around 589 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: at forty two and you can be looking at Rondale 590 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: Moore from Purdue, Elijah More from Old miss uh, someone 591 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: who maybe pat for your moves from Penn State. So 592 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: you could be looking at an offensive weapon at forty two. 593 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: Who's a really good value in that spot. I think 594 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: the contrast of that is and and something that happens 595 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: when teams stacked their board is who are the edges 596 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: that we think to be available at forty two? There's 597 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: not a whole lot. There's there's a big, big drop 598 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: off from those guys we've talked about earlier, where you're 599 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: banking on athletes who haven't done it yet. You know 600 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: you're banking on traits, not production. So I think the 601 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: move for the Giants would be edge at eleven and 602 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: then come back and do your offensive weapon at forty two, 603 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: and you know, then you get into you know, pick 604 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: seventy six, you can you can start looking to backfill 605 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: things a little bit besides wide receiver. What are the 606 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: positions do you really like in this class math that 607 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: are deep where if you're looking in round three early 608 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: round four, you can still go out there and find 609 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: a quality player. Yeah. I think the linebacker class has 610 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: ended up really really strongly this year thanks to some 611 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: of the under classman who decided to come out. Linebacker 612 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: was good running back as good as always mean, you 613 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: guys have a very very good one. Um. And then 614 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: I do think the corner class, um, well it doesn't 615 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: have you know, like that Jeff Acuda type player who's 616 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: oh top three guy. Um, it does have really good 617 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: depth where I think I have ten or twelve corners 618 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: actually in my top one hundreds. So there's there's a 619 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: really good depth at that position again this year. All right, 620 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: So if the Giants want to try to get a corner, 621 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: they can get one in the third round, is what 622 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: you're telling me. I do think so, I do, and 623 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: it might be more of a Nickel type player. Like 624 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: an Assante Samuel Jr. Or like a Carrie Vincent Jr. 625 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: From from l s U. You might be looking at 626 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: someone who's a little bit slot related. But you know, 627 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: if if somehow Eric Stokes from Georgia or Greg Knews 628 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: from from Northwestern, if somehow they're available, uh, then you're 629 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: looking at somebody that might be a starter in round three. 630 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: One of my partners here on our podcast, Paul Latino's 631 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: not with us this morning, but he would kill me 632 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: if I didn't ask you if the Giants want to 633 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: find a skyscraper wide receiver with that pick in the 634 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: second round. Is someone gonna be sitting there? I know 635 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: you said earlier it's kind of a scarce draft when 636 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: it comes to bigger whiteouts, it really is. And so 637 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: as far as the big guys go, you know, Rondale 638 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: Moore is six to excuse me, Rashod Bateman is six 639 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: two two ten. That's just not very big. And that's 640 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: like a round two player. When you get into the 641 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: big guys, like a stage Serrat for White Forest, that's 642 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: probably gonna be six ft six ft three. He's probably 643 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: going around three. Nico Collins we talked about earlier he's 644 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: one of the few six ft four plus receivers in 645 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: this class. He's probably going around three, maybe around four. 646 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: So there's just not that, you know, six ft five 647 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: physically dominant receiver in this year's class. It's it's really 648 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: a smaller group. How about the kid from L s 649 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: U what Terrence more the Terence Johnson Marshall? Ter Marshall 650 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: the good player six three two pounds, so good, good sized, 651 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: and I do think he's a mid round two type player. Interesting. Interesting, 652 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,719 Speaker 1: All right, man. I guess my final question with them, 653 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: but before we wrap up, is that how is this 654 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: going to change for you? Right? I think a lot 655 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: of teams too, they'll look at these numbers and the 656 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: way I like to use the combine, and I think 657 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: a lot of teams do it the same way, is 658 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: that they were thresholds. Right. If a guy hits a threshold, 659 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: then you're fine. And I don't really like everyone's a 660 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: four four two or four for seven. He's in that 661 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: range for me, So I'm happy. But we're not gonna 662 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: have those trustworthy numbers. I promise you. These kids of 663 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: these pro days are that are not going to run 664 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: bad times. They're just not right So how do you 665 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: do you think we're gonna have more bigger misses this 666 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: year because you don't have that like ultimate lie detective tests, 667 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: which is the combine to prove whether or not a 668 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: guy's fast or slow on tape. Just how do you 669 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: think that's going to change things for these teams? It's 670 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: going to be much more risk averse or are we 671 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: going to see some more swings and mrs because we 672 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: have fewer data points. I think what we see this 673 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: year maybe not because of the data points, but because 674 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: of the interviews. I think we see more misses on 675 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, background slash character slash work ethic because you're 676 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: not able to you know, really let that situation as 677 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: thoroughly as you would like. And so I think that's 678 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: gonna be one of the keys. I think teams have 679 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: gotten really smart about athletic testing, and these guys are 680 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: tested so often now that you can go you know, 681 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: look at a junior pro day and look at you 682 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: can go to an excess or wherever people are training 683 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: and not see them this year, but you have access 684 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: to that that information. So I think we've gotten better 685 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: at you know, evaluating athletes and scouting that side of 686 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: it um, but I do think that you know, it's 687 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough, you know, with what are these 688 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: guys like? And you know, we've seen some notable misses 689 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: at the quarterback position over the last four or five years, 690 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: and that was when we were able to get in 691 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: there and talk to these guys. And you know, we're 692 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: not just the quarterback position everywhere. And you know, I 693 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,719 Speaker 1: think so for the Giants, whether it's edge or receiver, 694 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: tight end, whatever it is, like, that's the thing where 695 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: you I think what we'll see, John is a lot 696 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: more players who are trusted, who have you're gonna tap 697 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: into Joe Judge is gonna tap into Alabama, Right, You're 698 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: gonna tap into something that you know and where you 699 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: have those connections where you can say, Okay, Nick Saban, 700 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: if we draft this player to leven, is he gonna 701 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: burn me? And so you really have to tap into 702 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: those relationships and connections that you have. Yeah, and when 703 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: you have connections at Alabama and therefore Georgia with Carbi 704 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: Smart over there, those are some pretty good programs. You 705 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: should be able to find some some pretty good players 706 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: and that Matt Miller at NFL Draft Scout on Twitter 707 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: his website, the draft scout com that one more time, 708 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: tell the folks how they subscribe and and and what 709 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna offer with your new venture. Yeah, you can 710 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: go to the draft scout dot com to subscribe today 711 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: and then starting February eleventh, actually is when the articles 712 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: will start coming out some mock drafts, seven round mock 713 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 1: traft on February eleventh. Uh, team needs a top three 714 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: hundred big board. But then also right now, until I'm 715 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: able to start writing again, we're doing a lot of 716 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: fun stuff happy hours tonight actually Monday night, we're doing 717 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: a live mock draft. So thirty two of these subscribers 718 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: got in like one a lottery basically to be the 719 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: GM of their team. We're gonna hop in a zoom 720 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: callege just like you and I are right now, and 721 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna run through the first round of the draft 722 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: with them on the clock as the GM. So trying 723 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: to do a lot of fun community type stuff, you know, 724 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: I mention scot it clinics, coaching clinics. Uh. And then 725 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: just happy hours where you know, crack open a beer 726 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: and and talk football for thirty minutes or an hour. 727 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: So I'm excited for it. Seems like people are having 728 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: a good time with it. So far, so again. February eleven, 729 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: that's seven round mock comes out at the draft scout 730 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: dot com. Well makes you, guys go to get out. 731 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: I can tell you I'm a subscriber. I'm looking forward 732 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: to Matt's great content and Matt, we hope to catch 733 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: up again before the draft and to see everything else 734 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: that you do. A man, great stuff. Thank you so much. Yeah, 735 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: thank you. Have a great one. That's Matt Milody. You 736 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: can find them on Twitter again at NFL Draft Scout. 737 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: His website at the draft scout dot com. Make sure 738 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: you go there and check it out for Matt's great 739 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: draft content. In the meanwhile, I don't remind everybody that 740 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: Quest Diagnostics wants are fans to come back stronger than 741 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: ever and sort of the New York Giants. Now you 742 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: can order your own lab test you Quest director at 743 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: Health Answers you need most. The John's Little Podcast is 744 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: part of the Giants podcast Network, which is presented by 745 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: Investors Bank. 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