1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Bryce Young has more than just the size as far 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: as weaknesses. 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 2: Uh oh it is. 4 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's more holes to his game that I 5 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: think people have kind of glossed over because he is 6 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: such a fun player. 7 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 3: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me, I'm 8 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 3: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well, 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 3: I want to be happy. You want to be happy 10 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 3: for day? Edith State is that woo woof? 11 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 4: And Dan and Tie, welcome back to the celebrable boys 12 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 4: and girls. My name is ty Heilda Brandt. That fine 13 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 4: gentleman over there is Dan Rubinstein. 14 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 3: And mister Rubinstein. 15 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 4: Today we are not doing first year debriefs. 16 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 3: We're nice. It's nice. Feels good to look to the future. Tie, 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 3: it feels good, right. So today's NFL Draft show Day. 18 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: We do it once a year and it's truthfully one 19 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: of my favorite shows of the offseason each year because 20 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: it is a bunch of different things that I like. 21 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 3: I've always looked at the NFL Draft as like this 22 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 3: pet hobby. 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: Now. 24 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 3: I used to do a live show at an old 25 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 3: gig every year with it, but there is something wonderful 26 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 3: about roster building that makes more sense with the NFL draft, 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: even though the idea of a draft is kind of 28 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 3: out there if you think about it. But the roster 29 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: construction and roster value, position value, all that kind of stuff, 30 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: and seeing how the NFL values players in a different 31 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 3: way than we do as they're playing for college teams 32 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 3: has always been crazy fascinating to me. 33 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 4: It's such a different world. Yeah, and that's why we 34 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 4: do this show once a year. We had Nate Tyson 35 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 4: from the Athletic last year. Nate has wonderfully decided that 36 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 4: he would take more of this and has stopped by 37 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 4: again or will stop by here momentarily to give us 38 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 4: more of his insight. It's a real treat to get 39 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 4: someone of his, I don't know, just aptitude with all 40 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 4: things scouting an NFL team building our show, so we're 41 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 4: grateful for that. The NFL Draft has been a hobby 42 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 4: of mine as well. When I was working the old 43 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 4: day job, I wasn't doing live shows, but there was 44 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 4: this one guy in it who always had the draft pool. 45 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 4: I don't know if you've ever been in an NFL 46 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 4: draft pool before. There are a bunch of different variations. 47 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 3: This one. 48 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 4: You got points every time you got to pick correct 49 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 4: or within I think one or two spots. And let 50 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 4: me tell you, brother, it was impossible. It is so 51 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 4: hard to compete. It is so hard to win a 52 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 4: pool like that because so many variables, trades, different news 53 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 4: items breaking on the draft and leading up to the draft. 54 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 4: So we are excited to have Nate Tyson with us 55 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 4: here momentarily. The NFL Draft, the first round of which anyways, 56 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 4: starts on Thursday. It runs Friday and Saturday as well. 57 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 4: We will talk a little bit more about that at 58 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 4: the very end of the show, so you can make 59 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 4: sure that you tune in, give you some REX on 60 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 4: where you can tune in. 61 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 3: Think about what the NFL Draft is, by the way, 62 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 3: with regard to like every announcer changes with every single game, 63 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 3: every single broadcast changes with every single sport. They all 64 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 3: this guy's now in the booth, this guy's going to 65 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: a different channel, This graphics package is different. Now they're 66 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: in four K. Like there's something about the NFL Draft 67 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 3: where you get mel Kiper's goofy face. You get the 68 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: same STU no, no, no, you have the sound at 69 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 3: the ready, probably I do, yeah, you have that same 70 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: pick is in at least for ESPN, not for the 71 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: NFL Network. You're now taking it on the road, so 72 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: it's not in Radio city, so there's that's a little 73 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: bit different. But then you always have like the goofy like, well, 74 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: here is who's a Nias Williams or something like that, 75 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: some like older player who like is the hometown guy 76 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: and like he's coming back to read the pick, and 77 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: you get like that awkward let me hear you Cardinals Nation. 78 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: Like I love every corny detail and I say corny 79 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: lovingly of the NFL Draft And I don't even watch 80 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: it that much. 81 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 4: I watched a lot adell them showing the the old 82 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 4: clips of Jets draft picks. 83 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a terribly boring TV show that I just love. 84 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 3: I just you have the best of best still available crawl, 85 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: which is kind of sad. You have the like, oh 86 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 3: my god, will there be like a green room guy 87 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 3: who like was positive he's gonna go on to the 88 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 3: top ten an hour at twenty nine and you might 89 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: have to come back tomorrow. I love every trope so much, ty, 90 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: I really do well. 91 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 4: With all that being said, we welcome everybody back to 92 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 4: the Solid Verbal. Thank you for tuning in. Don't forget 93 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 4: two public episodes every week. Normally we just talk about 94 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 4: college football. 95 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: This is one of. 96 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 4: Those crossover episodes that we do throughout the course of 97 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 4: the year that we get all excited about. To make 98 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 4: sure you hit subscribe or follow wherever it is that 99 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 4: you get your podcasts. You can of course find us 100 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 4: out on YouTube and across social media as well. We 101 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 4: do have a Patreon where we publish bonus content. We 102 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: do an extra show every week. We have a discord 103 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 4: server that is teaming with college football fans just like you. 104 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 4: All you got to do is go do verbowlers dot 105 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 4: com for more details. That is vr B A L 106 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 4: L E r s dot com. 107 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 3: Dan, without further ado, why don't we just jump in, 108 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 3: shall we? I would love to? All right, Dan, Big 109 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: Week here in Footballville? 110 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: Uh, college Footballville, Pro football Footballville. 111 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: Is not even a real thing. Now, you're really stretching here. 112 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 4: Nate Tice of the Athletic of the Athletic Football Show, 113 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 4: The Athletic Live Draft Show, what. 114 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: You're doing on YouTube on Thursday and Friday. We had 115 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 3: them on last year. Very pleased to welcome back, Nate. 116 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 3: How you doing Big Week? 117 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: Huh? Big Big Week? Yeah? The Fury Road. 118 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're at the end of it. Basically, we're going 119 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: back to the oasis. 120 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: No I, I. 121 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: Isn't Fanville a thing you can say? Unfortunately, Doctor Pepper, Fanville, 122 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,119 Speaker 1: That's that's what we're at. So I guess this is, mister, 123 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: mister pib Footballville. What is that's where we're at this week? 124 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: Yes, so look, you're you in the live show. 125 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 4: I'm curious, are you guys NFL Network or ESPN guys 126 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 4: on Draft night? 127 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: Oh, ESPN is kind of I think, Well, I think 128 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: we have ESPN. I think that's what we went with, 129 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: and that's what even when I was with teams, ESPN 130 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: got the primary channel. 131 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 2: Uh buzz. 132 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: But I know that the NFL network that's state media, 133 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: so sure that should be number one. But no, the 134 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: NFL network got the SUBtv or the side TV, and 135 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: the ESPN got the main main squeeze. 136 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you a tip. 137 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 3: By the way, I've done a bunch of these NFL 138 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 3: Draft live shows as of you. Now, I'm just gonna 139 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 3: be unsolicited with this. For for social media purposes, you 140 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: need to wildly gesticulate when you're surprised by a pick, 141 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 3: so then you can run it back, Daniel Thomas and 142 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 3: Sam why are we talking about? And that's the gold 143 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: that's what the people want. That's all. 144 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: No remembers mo Kiper, you know, nailing other picks. It's 145 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: when he got in an argument with though what was 146 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: the GM Yeah, the mid nineties. Yeah, that's what you want. 147 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: That's the one. 148 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 3: I'm just it's his career advice here is all I'm 149 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 3: giving you. I like that. 150 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah, nothing in the middle. 151 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: As a as a Midwest, suburban, Midwestern guy who has 152 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: lived in the middle his whole life literally and figuratively, 153 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: that is something I kind of more comfortable in. But 154 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: you're right, I should be more outlandish when there's a pick. 155 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: This draft is going to have some of those, so 156 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: that might actually be easy to transition into more of 157 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: that outlandish reaction type of segment. 158 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 4: This is a pro segue. What is your most controversial 159 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 4: draft take going into this thing? 160 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: Bryce Young has more than just the size as far 161 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: as weaknesses. 162 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: It is. 163 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's more holes to his game that I 164 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: think people have kind of glossed over because he is 165 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: such a fun player. 166 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: Not that I say I think he's bad or anything. 167 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: I think He's very good, but there's more holes to 168 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: his game that I think people are glossing over than 169 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: continue just the size stuff, just other traits. Arms strength 170 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: is something that is more adequate than overwhelming. He's drawn 171 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: to comparisons to Russell Wilson, Kawer Murray obviously because of 172 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: their size, but those two also had very good arms, 173 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: two of the best deep ball throwers in the last decade, 174 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: and also just could drive on throws a little bit 175 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: better than Bryce ken Room. It's hard because I'm trying 176 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: to be nice here, but room for growth as far 177 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: as he's more polish too, which is a pro and 178 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: a con. The guy is polished technique wise mentally, then 179 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: you also are going to say, well, what else can 180 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: he improve at if he's already maxed out in those 181 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: types of areas he's been under Bill O'Brien. Bill bron 182 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: praises him in his mental astuteness and everything that he 183 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: brings to the table, which I do agree with. But 184 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: other guys you watch Anthey Richardson, even as CJ. Stroud, 185 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: You watch those guys and you could say, well, they 186 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: only did this, this and this, so we haven't seen 187 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: him in this type of setting, or with this type 188 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: of offense or with this type of room to grow 189 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: with Bryce Young gets a little bit more like, well, 190 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: if he's maxed out, then if he doesn't, if he 191 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: hits someations in the league or hit some walls in 192 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: the league, how does the answer to those? How does 193 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: he find an answer to those? 194 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: What way? 195 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: You know, like NBA players they say every summer, Oh, 196 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: he worked on a new move. You know, he worked 197 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: on the new you know, fadeaway jump shot, he worked 198 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: on the three pointer. With Bryce Young, it feels like 199 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: he's maxed out in some of those areas. And so 200 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: that's where I have some concerns outside just you know, 201 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: being historical outlier with the size. 202 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 4: Right, well, the quarterback class as a whole is super 203 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: interesting because you could say the four top guys all 204 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 4: have some fatal flaw depending where you look. Bryce Young 205 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 4: is smaller, Anthony Richardson's very raw, Will Levis had issues 206 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 4: with accuracy throughout the year, throughout his career, and c J. Stroud, 207 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 4: you know, stares down his primary too long. We saw 208 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 4: the news headlines over the past week about his processing speed, 209 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 4: things of that nature. Obviously, you can't teach tall, so 210 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 4: maybe we'll leave Bryce young out of this. But of 211 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 4: those other flaws that I mentioned, whether it's being raw 212 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 4: or inaccurate, or going through progressions, if you're a GM, 213 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 4: if you're picking, if you knowing in advance that you 214 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 4: have to deal with one of those factors, which of 215 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 4: those three would you rather deal with? 216 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm whatever quote unquote weaknesses and negatives, Anthony Richards 217 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: Richardson has I'm glossing over them everything. I'm being a 218 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: hypocrite where everything talking about with Bryce young But I 219 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: am willing to bet on Anthony Richardson as far as 220 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: I understand the home run swing, Yes, you can strike 221 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: out on him, but I think he has more to 222 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: his game than people have realized outside just being the 223 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: freaky traits. 224 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: And athletic ability. 225 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: Why those traits matter, and this is also why I 226 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: want to talk about Bryce Youngers like arm strength, why 227 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: I think it's just more adequate, is that it's just 228 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: room for error, like when you're wrong, when you're laid 229 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: on a read when the window is tight. That's where 230 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: those traits kick in. Size athleticism and arm strength. It 231 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: just gives you ways to answer questions defenses present to 232 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: you or the situation presents to you, Anthony Richardson has 233 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: outstanding once s tier traits, like truly all time type 234 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: athlete at the position, as far as playing quarterback, as 235 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: far as processing, handling, pre snap routine, as far as 236 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: changing plays, getting guys set. He's actually fairly good at 237 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: it already as a red shirt sophomore twenty years old, 238 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: way more than I think he's gotten credit for. And 239 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: I also kind of shows there's an avenue. It's like, Wow, 240 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: there's more to this guy than just being a freaky player. 241 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: So that's the guy with and also with his accuracy 242 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: quote unquote concerns, there's a big difference between completion percentage 243 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: and accuracy. And that offense at Florida was a you 244 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: have to attack defenses underneath in different ways. They you 245 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: could do a quick game RPOs, which is a lot 246 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: of what college teams prefer to do, or you can 247 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: run the ball. And Florida decides how we're going to 248 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: attack defenses underneath is we're going to run the ball. 249 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: Why I say that means there's not a lot of 250 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: quick throws in that offense. Underneath throws, not a lot 251 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: of RPOs, not a lot of screens, it's a lot 252 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: of heavy play action with a lot of routes down 253 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: the field and then a swing route as the checkdown, 254 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: and so the completion percentage is just naturally going to 255 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: be lower. 256 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 2: He's thrown the ball further. 257 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: He's one of I think he was a top five 258 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: average depth of target of all college college quarterbacks last year. 259 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: He pushes the ball, pushes the ball, so naturally it's 260 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: going to be lower. So that's why when I see 261 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: some of the accuracy concerns that people have, I don't 262 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: agree fully with him. Does he spray a couple of balls, Yeah, 263 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: but he also throws a ball sixty something miles an hour. 264 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: So if he misses, he misses hard. You know it's 265 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: it's it's Randy Johnson missing with John Kruck in the 266 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: All Star Game. 267 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 3: He can hit me the rules. 268 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: That thing is. 269 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: It's hitting the rooms gone. It's a line drive out 270 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: out into the stands. But it doesn't happen. It happens 271 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: once and a half, you know, which I don't think 272 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: to me is not that concerning. 273 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: But you know I'm not. 274 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here in Las Vegas in my office, haven't 275 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: shaved all week, as opposed to a GM making a 276 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: draft pick. So it's easy for me to say that, 277 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: But if I were to bet on one, that's the 278 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: one I'm kind of putting my name behind who I 279 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: think has a real chance to be a good player. 280 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 3: How do you balance processing and improvising? Obviously you're watching 281 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: the tape and there's it's wonderful to watch. To excuse 282 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 3: me to watch a quarterback say, oh, I see what 283 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 3: the defense is doing, I know where my players should be. 284 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: I'm going to throw it with anticipation, and I am 285 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 3: confidently doing so. And then sometimes quarterbacks are saying it's 286 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 3: not there. Let me buy some time. But sometimes also 287 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm looking at. Let me buy 288 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 3: some time so that the picture clarifies a little bit. 289 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 3: Is improvising an always positive thing? Like Bryce Young is 290 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 3: a masterclass improviser, and you mentioned his arm strength. How 291 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: much of that can you look at as a positive 292 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 3: because he's going to have to do that for a 293 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: bad football team that drafts him. And how much do 294 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 3: you look at the smart decision making he's making when 295 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: he's in rhythm? 296 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: Right, No, that's a fantastic question because the NFL, now 297 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: we're past the Tom Brady Drew Brees types. The can 298 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: sit in the pocket a quarterback. Now it's a prerequisite. 299 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: And this is I'm just kind of expanding on your question, 300 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: is that it's a prerequisite now that you have to 301 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: create in some way, shape or form. He's either extend 302 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: the play or scramble either way using your legs and 303 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: athletic ability. But on top of it, and this is 304 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: something that I think but people have missed out on 305 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: praising Mahomes because I do think Mahomes is the best 306 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: player I've ever watched. Is Yes, he does all the 307 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: trick shot plays and incredible plays off platform, but he 308 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: does the boring stuff really well, the nickel and diming, 309 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: the first and second down plays, catching seven yards instead 310 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: of taking a sack. And when I watch a guy, 311 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: this is why I was super low on Zach Wilson, 312 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: which sounds yeah, it sounds great. I could say that now. 313 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: I said that a year ago, and people are still 314 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: wanted to slip my throat, especially Jets fans, you know, 315 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: because they're so calm and modest, all those people from 316 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: Longo and they're great. My parents are from Long Island, 317 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: so I could say that they is that when you 318 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: watched him at BYU. It was that he instantly went 319 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: to creation mode. It was when a clean pocket, And 320 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: that's what you got to look at. When when there 321 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: is a presentable answer, that's within what I think as 322 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: far as what I know from play design and play concepts. 323 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: If I see that a guy had a normal in 324 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: the line answer, in the progression answer, and he's passing 325 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: up with that over and over and over, that's why 326 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: I start. 327 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 2: To get worried. 328 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: If he misses it once and goes into creation mode, 329 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, that's fine. Sometimes quarterbacks predetermine, like you know, 330 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: it's like a basketball player taking it to the rack. 331 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm not passing to my teammate. I'm getting a foul here. 332 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: Some guys do that and that's fine, but it is 333 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: hard to balance it. And that's why knowing trying to 334 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: guess what they're trying to accomplish with the play is 335 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: really important. A guy like Bryce Young why I first 336 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: came in thought, I was like, man, this guy bails 337 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: from the pocket all the time. Then you watch him 338 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: and he's handling the protections, which shows, okay, you understand 339 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: what's going on. You have to look at kind of 340 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: in between things, the context clues. But then you watch, 341 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: you go to a play and there's a nice safe 342 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: answer and he's taking it boom one two three, eight 343 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: balls out, and so like you have to kind of 344 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: see a little bit of the both. I think that 345 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: guys like I already brought Zach Wilson, the other guy 346 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: like justin Fields. When he came out, he was boring 347 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: because he was such an athletically gifted guy, and then 348 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: he gets to the NFL, he's a totally different type 349 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: of player. When I watched him, why I liked him 350 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: was this guy's a freak athlete but wants to be 351 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: a quarterback operating from the pocket. So when I watch 352 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: a guy and I try to there's a long winded 353 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: answer to say, I try to look at both, but 354 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: I go and to watch a guy, I want to 355 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: see them at least for a majority of the snaps 356 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: operating within structure, which is he catches the ball in 357 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: the shotgun, it's one, two, three, hitch ball out on time. 358 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: There's no extra hitch. There's no eyes scanning from back 359 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: to forth, back and forth. When you see a quarterback's 360 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: eyes going all the way from left sideline to right sideline, 361 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: that's not good. Going from middle to right sideline's fine. 362 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: But when you're scanning coast to coast, that means to me, 363 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: you're guessing. If you could do it once like I said, 364 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: or twice, it can come up. It's not everyone's perfect, 365 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: But when you're doing it over and over and over, 366 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: to me, that means you're guessing on the play and 367 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: where to find the throw. So you're really just looking 368 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: for everything to operate on time. And then also just 369 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: look at the highlight plays and all the scrambling and 370 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: all the fun plays as well. 371 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 3: You use the word structure, and this is I think 372 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: this falls in the second tier of quarterbacks. And I 373 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: promise we'll get into other positions and situations other than quarterback. 374 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 3: But Hendon Hooker is the name. He's twenty five years old. 375 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 3: He was in a very specific structure, obviously coming off 376 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 3: injury as well. So aside from the peripherals about Hendon Hooker, 377 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 3: he comes from a program that is I'm not gonna 378 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 3: say it's one read. He went through reads, he processed, 379 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 3: but it is a very specific system and a lot 380 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 3: of it was, if not predetermined, kind of predetermined in 381 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 3: half right if this guy's open deep hit it. If 382 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: they're not in this defense, check it down here. And 383 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: it seems that it wasn't as pro friendly in terms 384 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 3: of scouting as perhaps some other systems. How do you 385 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 3: evaluate somebody like that based solely on structure, knowing the 386 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 3: positives and negatives. 387 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: So operating on time. 388 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: So even though it is when I say operate on time, 389 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: you never want to see your quarterback take everything should 390 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: be one two three hitch ball out if you're seeing 391 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: that extra little hitchhop. Not everyone's perfect, like I said, 392 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: sometimes guys can get away with it. Again, this is 393 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: where arm strength comes into to play. That you could 394 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: be a little late but still fire the ball in 395 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: there and it doesn't matter. So operating on time, so 396 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: the plays that will translate. He threw a lot of 397 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: fade balls to Jalen Hyatt over and over and over. 398 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: Did that ball come out one two three ball out 399 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: or was it one two three hitch hitch hitch then 400 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: ball out? Like he's he's waiting to see if it 401 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: comes open, anticipating that guy to come open and trusting it, 402 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: understanding the play concept. So it's like, yeah, there might 403 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: be only eight translatable plays per game with Hooker, but 404 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: you does he do those translatable play as well? Does 405 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: he find checkdowns? Do those throws? Like even with Tennessee 406 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: because of their the white hashes of college football, is 407 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: that when they run some plays that like they run 408 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: these switch vertical plays over. 409 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,239 Speaker 2: And over and over. I know I'm preaching to acquire here. 410 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they the switch vertical plays, they'll run a 411 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: dig route behind or with on those switch plays, there's 412 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: no one with ten yards of the receiver. So it's 413 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 1: kind of for me, it's like, Okay, that's nice, I'm 414 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: glad you accomplished that. But is he hitting those every 415 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: single time without a shadow of doubt? 416 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: Or is the ball. 417 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: Spraying high, is the ball behind? Is he missing the 418 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: guy or getting their hair late? Is he waiting till 419 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: the guy is totally wide open, or is he throwing 420 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: it just as he comes open. So that's where you're 421 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: trying to find those plays that do translate. And when 422 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: I said the coast to coast example, this has me 423 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: a little concern with Hooker is two things. Is once 424 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: in a while he has the sprays. When people bring 425 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: up accuracy stuff, he has more accuracy concerns than the 426 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: other guys that I think because he's missed some balls 427 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: in the end zone, guys are wide open, he's missing them, yep, 428 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: clean pocket. So it's like and we're not worried about 429 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: his accuracy at all. But on top of it is 430 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: when he is throwing and making those throws, is he 431 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: has one times they run the mirrored concept, so the 432 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: two guys on the east side and they're running the 433 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: same thing on each side. He went from one. 434 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 2: Side one wheel route all the way to the other 435 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: sideline to the other wheel route. 436 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: LT. 437 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 2: Hyatt's wide open. 438 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: I want to say, this is against Kentucky, wide open, 439 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: and he throws it and it's a nice easy touchdown. 440 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: It's like, wow, look at that arm strength, look at 441 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: that touch. That's fake that that never happens in the NFL. 442 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: It's because the pass rush will get there, the pocket 443 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: will collapse, the safety will run over there and make 444 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: a play on the ball. So it's like even those 445 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: plays where you see the highlights of his arm strength, 446 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: of his touch, the processing is a little off. So 447 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: it's the places that you can translate that you try 448 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: to extrapolate as much as you can. That offense, though, 449 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: is makes it very very hard, even like a hitcher 450 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: out in that offense. Sorry, I know I'm ranting gear 451 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: Now you're good, even like a hitcher out in that offense. 452 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: Usual a receiver runs a hitcher out, you know, five 453 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: steps or six yards, and they stand there. You're not 454 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: supposed to come back down on a hitch otherwise you're 455 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: catching the ball at two yards. That offense, they have 456 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: their guys come back down on hitches, not stop routes 457 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: which are ten twelve yards, but the short ones four 458 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: to six yards, they're coming back down. So even when 459 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: he throws the simplest route football, a hitch route, no 460 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: NFL team runs it that way. So I'll throw all 461 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: those out those. Yes, yes, you want to see some 462 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: accuracy and everything, but as far as what he throws, 463 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: those don't translate. And that's what it's hard. So it's 464 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: like even with the trade stuff you try to take. 465 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: None of them are perfect. Oh sorry, none of them 466 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: are perfect and have some blemishes and all that, those 467 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: types of things. So sorry, I talk with my hands. 468 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: So I just knocked down my stapler. 469 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 3: Good, what is I appreciate that because my next question 470 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 3: is who is the player? What is the position? This year? 471 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 3: That you see as the most NFL ready that you're 472 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: seeing a player. This is how he should be taught. 473 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 3: This is how he is going to immediately understand the 474 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 3: pro game, you know, in August and we'll have even 475 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 3: if he's not a top five, ten, fifteen pick. This 476 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 3: is somebody who has the polish to be like, oh 477 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: yeah I can play right tackle doing this? Yes, absolutely? 478 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 3: Who is that player? What is that position this year? 479 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: It's pretty easy say Bejon Robinson will hit the ground running. Yeah, yeah, 480 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: from Texas. He's pretty easy to just go, Yeah, that 481 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: guy will work out. I would say, you know, Darnault 482 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: Wright is an interesting one from Tennessee. I actually think 483 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: some which is so funny as I just ripped on 484 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: that whole offense and all that in the passing game, 485 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: but as far as what the offensive line was asked 486 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: to do, there is a lot more translatable than I 487 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: originally would have thought. Watching in He was a. 488 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: Guy that really grew on me as as I went along. 489 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't want to put your name 490 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: because I always put his name, Uh, Peter Skarownski from 491 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: Northwestern YEP. I put you his name every single time, 492 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: and it's one of those where I fixed it my brain, 493 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: but now my brain goes, is that the wrong way. 494 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: Or the right way? 495 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: Nate, Yeah, this is this is great great, this is 496 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 1: great radio. I know, great podcast. 497 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 3: No, you're good. It's true. I don't even attempt to 498 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 3: say a lot of the big Northwestern left out. It's 499 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 3: very dependable. 500 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's polish, but his game, he's day 501 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: one starter, doesn't even like you can ask him to 502 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: do whatever. Figure out what spot he's going to be 503 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: at is the question mark? Like his arm length has 504 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: been kind of been scrutinized, But as far as a 505 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: football player, mine's that technique, athletic ability. He is like 506 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: kind of the easiest guy of any position, even guys 507 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: other top recruits, I should say, top prospects like a 508 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: Will Anderson or Jayalen Carter or anything like that. I 509 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: look at him and just go, yeah, this guy is 510 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: we SAI at the very least going to be a 511 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: really good guard. But let's give him a shot at 512 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: right or left tackle and see if you can stick 513 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: out there. 514 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 3: Who's your pet player? 515 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 2: Do you do? 516 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 4: You have a guy that you're unreasonably high on going 517 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 4: into this draft? 518 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 2: Oh? 519 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: Anthey, Richardson. It's pretty I'm pretty quarterback other than quarterback. Man, 520 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: let me go through my list right now. Pretty high. 521 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: I was pretty high on at Perry from Wake Forest receiver. 522 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not saying like a first rounder, but 523 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: I would. I'm comfortable with him in the second. Him 524 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: and Cedric Tillman. Really, I've I've grouped these three guys together, 525 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: those two and Jonathan Mingo from Old Miss. Those three 526 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: I've kind of been higher on. I'm more of a 527 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: sucker for big receivers, so those three are all big 528 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: outside receivers, and so those three I'm a little more 529 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: bullish on than others. I think others have caught up, 530 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: especially with Cedric Tillman, where people go, oh, yeah, this guy, 531 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: he's different than the other flavors in this draft class. 532 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 1: Another one is Luke Musgrave and Tucker Craft, both tight ends. 533 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave from Oregon State and Tucker Craft from South 534 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: Dakota State. Those two I've been again, I'm bullish on. 535 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: I think Luke Musgrave just moves differently, like his just 536 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: athletic overall athletic ability outside just all the sports he 537 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: played in high school and everything. He just has that 538 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: true tight end star quality. I think and Tucker craft 539 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: the same thing. I think he's gonna be a bit 540 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: of a project, but I really like what he brings 541 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: to the table. You know, small school guy, but just 542 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: figuring out how to play tight end, which a lot 543 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,479 Speaker 1: of these guys are at the NFL level, that's how 544 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: it kind of goes. 545 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 2: But he has true ability. 546 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: We're upside where I could see that guy really ascending 547 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: what he gets in the right coaching and the right system. 548 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 4: Since you brought up wide receivers, is there a superstar 549 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 4: wide receiver in this class because it feels I don't know. 550 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 4: From a far different to me, it seems like there's 551 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 4: some bait over who the top dog is at that 552 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 4: position group, and depending on your point of view, you 553 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 4: could go any number of six different ways on it. 554 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: Personally, I don't think there is there's I think there's 555 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: a lot of high quality role players. Like when I 556 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: say that number two's like even the guy that I 557 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: have as my receiver one, I think a lot of 558 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: people do. Jack Jackson Smith and Jigbuff from Ohio State 559 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: typical draft. I wouldn't really look at him until at 560 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: least pick twenty five or pick thirty, Like I as 561 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: view him as a very good number two who only 562 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: plays mostly plays from the slot, which is a limitation, 563 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: especially at the NFL. And it's not to say he 564 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: can't play outside. It's not like he you know, turns 565 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: into a mushroom as soon as you put him outside 566 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: that outside that numbers. It's just that he will have 567 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: a little more question marks there. And that's what it 568 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: is at the NFL is how many snaps you can play. 569 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: If I if I pick you and your only viable 570 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: on twenty five snaps a game, you kind of lose 571 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: a little bit of value. So I think a lot 572 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: of these guys have that kind of blemish where a 573 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: guy like said Youri Tillman, I only see him on 574 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: the outside. The guy other ones Zay Flowers, they have 575 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: size question marks, joranas and size question marks. Like every 576 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: single guy has a huge blemish, but I like some 577 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: aspect of their game. This is a very I've the 578 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: beholder type draft at every type of position, receiver especially. 579 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 4: So one thing that happens, particularly among college football fans 580 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 4: whenever the NFL draft rolls around, is we'll look at 581 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 4: things like mock drafts. Everybody's got a mock draft, and 582 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 4: you'll see a name really high up on that list, 583 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 4: and you'll be very puzzled by it. We talked last 584 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 4: year about Will Levis. We don't necessarily need to go 585 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 4: into Will Levis too much on this, but I wonder, 586 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 4: from your perspective, just doing the homework as you often do, 587 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 4: are there any guys that you've seen another mock drafts 588 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 4: that you don't get, Guys that maybe you like but 589 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 4: don't like as high as others seem to Oh boy. 590 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 3: And call out call out the authors specifically by the 591 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 3: y yeah, oh man, this. 592 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: I know there's there's a couple I privately like, very 593 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: privately think, but even a guy like Okay, I like 594 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: this guy, and I think I picture him more as 595 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: a second round pick. And this is kind of splitting hairs, 596 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: but Jamiir Gibbs from Alabama. I like him, I I do, 597 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: but I'm seeing him slot in the first round. I'm like, 598 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: who wha, wha, whoa, whoa whoa A little small right, 599 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: a little smaller I think one he ended up coming in. 600 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: He tested very well, He's fast. I thought I would 601 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: like his tape a lot more than I did. I 602 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: like the player, But again I see him as a 603 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: second rounder. Again, that's not crazy. It's not like I'm 604 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: saying this guy can't play. I just see, you know, 605 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: a little more limitations to his game as a runner. 606 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: I think he's very start stoppy as opposed to like 607 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: a fluid makes a guy miss and everything, uh kind 608 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: of straight line with with those types of movements. I'm 609 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: really trying to find like a good one though, Like 610 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: that was just more like, yeah, I'm kind of a 611 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: little lower than others. 612 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: But I kind of get it. 613 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: I'm looking through Dan Bruger is kind of top one 614 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,479 Speaker 1: hundred big boards. 615 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 2: Any that I don't agree with? 616 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 1: God, Okay, this one is more like again, like the player, 617 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: he's my tight end three, but I'm seeing him as 618 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: going over Michael Mayer and seeing him going to the 619 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: top twenty. Is Dalton Kincaid from Utah, who I really 620 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: do like. I think he's gonna be a fine player. 621 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: There's just a lot more question marks about his game 622 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: I had than maybe others. 623 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: Did you know. 624 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: I'm seeing him project his top tight end going in 625 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: top fifteen, no questions asked, and it's kind of blowing 626 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: my mind. He's got bad back he's twenty four already 627 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: two red al arts right there. I love how I 628 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: was saying twenty four with a bad back, like I 629 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: wish I could be twenty four with a bad back. Yeah, 630 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: And you know he has some kind of when I 631 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: talk about snaps played like he might. He has to 632 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: go in the right situation. If he goes into the 633 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: rate like I'm just making up a team. If he 634 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: goes with the Chiefs, I'll be hell, yeah, yeah, that 635 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: makes a ton of sense where he goes. But if 636 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: that guy has to go in where they have no 637 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: other tight ends, I'd be a little iffy. Like if 638 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: you went to the Titans, I'd be like, oh really, 639 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: you know other teams like that. 640 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: I think he has to go. 641 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: To the right spot where I just have more questions 642 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: while as other people are just going like, oh yeah, 643 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: plug and play, just throw them in there. 644 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 2: He's fine. 645 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: It's like, well really, oh, I have a little more 646 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: issues with that than maybe some other guys. 647 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 3: What's interesting with the extra COVID year is you are 648 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 3: getting those older players, right. You mentioned the twenty five 649 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 3: year old that is Hendon Hooker. Obviously Dalton Kinkaid twenty four. 650 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: As far as I know, as somebody who does not 651 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 3: cover the NFL with any sort of regularity, you want 652 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: guys to be excellent those first four or five years, 653 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 3: five years if you've taken that option, and so after 654 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: that it's not necessarily something you're concerned about at draft time, 655 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 3: Whereas if you're in the NBA, you want that eighteen 656 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 3: year old, right, you want that time to mold them, 657 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 3: to get them the best coaching. But they're not in 658 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 3: their athletic primes early on, you know, late in their 659 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 3: teens in the early twenties, Whereas somebody that you draft 660 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 3: that's twenty two to twenty three is going to get 661 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 3: into that time of their athletic prime. Are NFL teams 662 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 3: looking at older players that had that extra time as 663 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 3: a positive thing that they are going to get more 664 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 3: of that physical prime when they're cheap on those rookie deals. 665 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: I think in theory, okay, I think a lot of 666 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: evaluators or decision makers, the ones that speak to the 667 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 1: media at least, say a lot of things that are 668 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: good sound bites and get you know, get people going 669 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: on Twitter and go, man, that guy's really smart. And 670 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: then but it's different in practice. So I think there 671 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: are guys that, yeah, we go for youth, like the 672 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. They if you look at their draft classes 673 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: the last few years under Andrew Berry, their general manager, youth, youth, youth, youth, youth, 674 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: it's every position's the youngest guy you can. Last year, 675 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: I predicted the corner they had taken the third round 676 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: because I go, this is the youngest guy on the board. 677 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: I bet you they take them. 678 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 3: Sure enough, that was the guy they took five fixed later. 679 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: I think it depends on the position. Okay, if it's 680 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: a if I'm drafting a skilled position guy receiver, running back, 681 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: I better see some dominance early. I don't care how how. 682 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,239 Speaker 1: I'm not going to knock you if you stay all 683 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: four years. Chris lave I freaking loved last year. Didn't 684 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: matter he was a senior. DeVante Smith stayed for a 685 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: senior year, rightfully so winning the Heisman. But they stayed 686 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: for all four years. I didn't care. Like and some 687 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: people knock that, say, oh, they're coming in at twenty 688 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: two and there's only been this. Just watch the players 689 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: and if they're good or early, they're probably good later. 690 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: So but so it depends on the position. But if 691 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: it's a defensive end and they're in their fifth year 692 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: and before the high they only had two sacks, and 693 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: they're on not on like a loaded roster, like you know, 694 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: they're not at a Clemson or a Georgia or something 695 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: like that. And then also they blow up for twelve sacks. Okay, 696 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: but then you look in their twenty three twenty four. Okay, 697 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: that's where I'm gonna start asking question marks. But I 698 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: think if you look at offensive line, you look at quarterbacks, 699 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: I don't think age is as much of an issue 700 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: at those positions because of how long it takes the 701 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: development developed there. But it is something that teams are 702 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: considering more and more, or at least asking questions about. 703 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: Like I I thought we would never I thought Henon 704 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: Hooker wouldn't get hyped up because of that, But apparently 705 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: that's why. I mean, it's like people will say whatever 706 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: they want, but we'll see it in practice. Because if 707 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: Hannah Hooker goes early, I'd be very I'm I think 708 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: I could see it happening, but I would be shocked, 709 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: and I'm kind of like surprised that he has gotten 710 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: that kind of smoke around him. 711 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 3: I'm wondering about any sort of trickle up effect. Obviously, 712 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 3: college football, there's so much in the way of attention 713 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 3: on recruiting, right that you're seeing stabs be become younger, 714 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 3: right that an offensive line coach is thirty two, whereas 715 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 3: the average offensive line coach was like a grizzled fifty seven. 716 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 3: But it's about acquiring talent. There's this rush for acquiring talent, 717 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 3: and the recruiting industrial complex is as huge as ever. 718 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,719 Speaker 3: I wonder, and you can just say no, it's very 719 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 3: easy to say no. But I wonder if there's a 720 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 3: position group that is clearly better or worse coached than 721 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 3: you can remember coming into the league, maybe because of 722 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 3: you know, just the rush to acquire talent, and we're 723 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 3: hiring recruiters at schools rather than you know, those grizzled 724 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 3: old coaches. But do you see a difference in technique 725 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 3: and aptitude at any position? 726 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say the two. I would say corners 727 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: and DB's are better coached than I can remember. And 728 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: I think that is the trickle up of seven on 729 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: seven leagues and facing more passing. Ever since ninth grade, 730 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: these guys have been having to defend a pass thirty 731 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: times a game back when I was in graduate high 732 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: school two thousand and seven. You know, I threw the 733 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: ball twenty five times, and in Minnesota that was like, 734 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: oh my god, Oh my god, they threw the ball 735 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: twenty times in high school Like that's It's a total 736 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: difference now. And so I think DB's are way more 737 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: polished technique wise. When I say the talent has followed 738 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: with them, I don't know, but I will say that 739 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,719 Speaker 1: I've seen more polish guys the last fourish years than 740 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: I had before. I will say offensive line coaching in 741 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: college football will be an epidemic, probably until I die. 742 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: It was an epidemic before I was born. It was 743 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: probably will be one until I die. I think that 744 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: is just there's a pity me or there's a prior 745 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: to priority to have run more ball plays, run more speeds, 746 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: spa speed, get up and go as opposed to cleaning 747 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: up technique. I think practice time as far as what 748 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: teams kind of prioritize that they say, oh, get the 749 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: job done and we'll move on, you know. As and 750 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, there's only offensive line coaches, especially in the NFL. 751 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: They are worth their weight in gold, like the best ones, 752 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, the Bill Callahan's of the world, Like, those 753 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: guys are worth as much money as any coordinator because 754 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: they how much they are needed and what they need 755 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: to do in a week to week basis. But in 756 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: college it's always going to be the issue. You see 757 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: guys with just terrible hands, terrible eyes as far as 758 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: I had no idea who to pick up and protection, 759 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: which goes to show to me, it's like that that's 760 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: mental as opposed to physical. You know, some guys are 761 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: going to end up being accountants. We know that you 762 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: know are not going to play on Sundays, but they 763 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 1: can at least go the right way. And I watched 764 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: even really good teams or really talented teams, like in 765 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: Alabama the last two years. I watched them and I'm 766 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: like and shooting them. Last year they had a former 767 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: NFL head coaches their offensive line coach. Yeah, so that's 768 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: a side story, but it's like I'm watching them, I'm like, 769 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: they're going to the wrong guy. They're sloppy and their 770 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: hands are terrible, and so I think these guys are 771 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: really young. They're asked to do a lot, but mentally 772 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: and physically so but I do think that that's always 773 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: going to be an issue is just the coaching at 774 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: the college level. 775 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 2: For off, it's a line I'll. 776 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 3: Stick with position. Is there a position in this year's 777 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 3: draft that, even if it's not necessarily the deepest on 778 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 3: the board, that because whatever it is, edge rusher, tight end, 779 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 3: because it's become so important in the NFL. You're going 780 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 3: to see a run on guys because teams don't want 781 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 3: to be left out, or you're going to see, oh, 782 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 3: this guy's raw, but we need somebody like that because 783 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 3: it's just really hard to find somebody with those measurables 784 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 3: and that skill set. 785 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: I would say, just excuse me, I would just say 786 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: pass catcher, just in general, tight end or receiver. The 787 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: guy I just knocked a minute ago, don't kincaid I 788 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: actually have. I'm not as down on him because of 789 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: you yesteryear and like five years ago, I would have 790 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: had him way lower than I do now. And I 791 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: still have like a second round grade on the guy. 792 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: It's not like I'm crazy here, it's just that getting 793 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: these guys being able to work from the slot is 794 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: much more like. It doesn't matter what body type you are. 795 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 1: It used to be your five nine, one seventy and 796 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: a shifty rout runner. You're a col beasily no matter what. 797 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: If you're in the slot, go to work. Now, these 798 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: guys are six two two ten. There's power slots what 799 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: I like to call them. There's receiving only tight ends. 800 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: And I said this on our show last week when 801 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about the tight ends. A guy like Kinkaid 802 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: is who cares what his position is. He's catching passes 803 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: and he's blocking like you know, that's exactly what we'd 804 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: have that quote unquote power slot doing. And on the 805 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 1: flip side, on the defensive side, I think safety play 806 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: is a lot more teams are using three safeties. That's 807 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: not anything new. It's just that the slot position has 808 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: become because the other side, because the offense has gotten bigger. There, 809 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: the defenses go, well, we need more of a do 810 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 1: it all guy. He doesn't have to be the shifty, 811 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: undersize nickel corner that we all think of, you know, 812 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: the Rendez Barber type. Right now now, they can be 813 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy Ward, you know, six foot. 814 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,720 Speaker 3: Six, quickish box safety. 815 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: Yes, it's a hybrid player. Really, that's how I look 816 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: at that can just do it all. They can blitz, 817 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: they can run, zone coverage. They can cover a tight end, 818 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 1: they can cover a bigger slot receiver. If an outside 819 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: receiver motion's in, they'll be fine covering them for that ten. 820 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 2: To twelve yards. 821 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: So safeties as far as how many teams want want them, 822 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: Like everybody wanted two safeties before, I think more teams 823 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: are going like, we wouldn't mind kind of a tweener 824 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 1: number three now that we can just get on the field. Again, 825 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: it's all about snaps played. So I think that's a 826 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: that's a position that's kind of been more. You know, 827 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: people's minds have been expanded about what the roles they 828 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: can use them on. 829 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of along those same lines, Nate, you know, 830 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,919 Speaker 4: the NFL tends to evolve when special players come into 831 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 4: the league. And it's also dawning on me that every 832 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,720 Speaker 4: question I've written down here could be answered with a Richardson, 833 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 4: So forgive me. Maybe we'll go a different direction with 834 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 4: this one as well. But I'm thinking of guys like 835 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson, Deebo Samuel, guys that don't typically fit the model, 836 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 4: or at least the pre existing model. And you know 837 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 4: you just mentioned about tight ends, how some are more 838 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,439 Speaker 4: like receivers how just tight end play in general has 839 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 4: changed the NFL and schemes. Do you sense any rule 840 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 4: breakers outside of Anthony Richardson maybe coming up with this 841 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 4: year's draft class guys that they make their way into 842 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 4: this thing. You put them in a scheme and a 843 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 4: coach realizes, oh, we could do so much them on 844 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 4: the free guy. 845 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well Jon Robinson is pretty easy, okay, because 846 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: you know he's getting this is a great example though, 847 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: he's getting slated right now to go to the Falcons 848 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: at number eight. And you can talk about whatever positional 849 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: value and everything, but this is again snap's play touches. 850 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: How many touches of the football he can have, I 851 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: think offensive and defensive play callers. And this is tying 852 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: into a couple of things. The tight ends being used 853 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: in the slot, bigger receivers being used in slot, bigger 854 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 1: slot dbs. Also just they're like the younger play callers 855 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: and offensive play designers, their minds have been expanded. They're younger, 856 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: they're more willing to try stuff. They're not just going 857 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: on my scheme like you know, no, no, like that. 858 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: I coached this guy up and he was able to 859 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: do it, and it's like, well, you don't have Travis Kelce, 860 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: you don't have this guy doing that, you don't have 861 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: Randy Moss, you don't have you know, these freak players 862 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: doing all those things. So I think I don't know 863 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: if there's like one player that I could say that, 864 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: but I would say that we're in a good place. 865 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,760 Speaker 1: I think NFL wise about the creativity coaches have shown 866 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: and using personnel correctly. What the Eagles did the last 867 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: couple of years under Steve Steichen, who's now the head 868 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: coach of the Colts, he started calling plays halfway through 869 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: last year and the whole offense and the Eagles shifted 870 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 1: and ran onto this year in twenty twenty two was 871 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: I said last year I met twenty twenty one, but 872 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: then twenty twenty two was that he expanded the offense 873 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: to be a little more collegy, ninety eight percent shotgun. 874 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: The only understander players were basically the sneak a ton 875 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: of receiver screens, a ton of kind of urpo plays, 876 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: because he was like, this is what hurt Jalen Hurts 877 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: is good at, and we have good personnel. 878 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 2: So let's just use it that way. 879 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 1: So I think that kind of an adaption of personnel 880 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: has really helped and using all that. So I don't 881 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: know if I'm really answering your question, but I think 882 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: a guy like Bijeon. While I was talking about the 883 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: Falcons is two years ago, they had Kyle Pitts, who 884 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: was a tight end quote unquote lining up at slot receiver, 885 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: that Cordella Patterson quote unquote a running back lining up 886 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: at tight end, and then they had their tight end. 887 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: I can't remember the other name of the other tight 888 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: end lining up at the running back spot because he 889 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: was the past protector. That's just you're you're just a 890 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: football player. Now again, I think that's really just every position. 891 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 2: Now. 892 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,879 Speaker 1: I'd say twenty or more of these play colors are 893 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,240 Speaker 1: like that where they're really willing to move guys around 894 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: us Queen's on the chessboard on. 895 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 3: The defensive side of the ball. 896 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 4: Like you said, you would bet anything on Anthony Richardson 897 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 4: be the dude at some point in. 898 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: Time anything I would you. I would say my house, 899 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: but I would say maybe this room, the room. 900 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 3: We'll take the room the room. 901 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 4: So if you are betting that that pristine room of 902 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 4: yours on any of the defenders in this class, you 903 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 4: know we know some of the big names, the highly 904 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 4: rated guys, Will Anderson, Jalen Carter, Tyree Wilson. 905 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 2: We can go on. 906 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 4: But who are you betting on to be, you know, 907 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 4: the next big thing on the defensive side. 908 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 2: It's a good question those three. 909 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: Outside of those three, man, a guy I just I 910 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,439 Speaker 1: just really like and this isn't maybe fair to him, 911 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: but it's a Manuel Forbes from Mississippi State. Okay, he 912 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: was a He's a total outlier. So I'm a hypocrite 913 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: already talking about outliers and how I bet I gets 914 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: someone now, Oh yeah, bring this one in. 915 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 2: But he's a he's a ballplayer. I think he just 916 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 2: knows how to play football. 917 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: He's very very mentally, like high end mental side at 918 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: the cornerback position, also has This is what's hard, is like, 919 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: am I saying he's gonna be star? 920 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 2: But I think he's gonna be a good, good player. 921 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: So if I'm talking about like guys that maybe could 922 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 1: like I am betting on that like could be like 923 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: a true true needle mover. I'll tell those three I'm 924 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,879 Speaker 1: not really willing to bet on a of them. 925 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 3: That's fair. 926 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,719 Speaker 2: That's fair. Lucas, Like if the one home run swing. 927 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,839 Speaker 1: Maybe Lucas van ness just and that from Iowa, who's 928 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: a rotational guy. It's a true traits bet. But he 929 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 1: had the same testing as as Trayvon Walker last year 930 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: who went number one overall, Like they have very similar 931 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: physical profiles. So if that were a guy, that's like 932 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: a if we do a thing called star starter bench 933 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: or bust, which I stole from a basketball website, and 934 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: I'll give him credit one day. Canus hoopis espionation, but 935 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 1: it was the I would put Lucas van Nes as 936 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,919 Speaker 1: like a fifteen percent star, but then I would also 937 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: have him like fifteen percent bust, you know, Like it's 938 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: like he could easily wash out of the league and 939 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: not figure out how to play football, but he has 940 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: tools that maybe in the right situation, could have sent 941 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: to a true star Pro Bowl Perneo Pro Bowl type 942 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: of player. 943 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 3: Do you have any skills bets? Obviously, it's it's much 944 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 3: easier to say trades bets because you probably should be 945 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,840 Speaker 3: a certain size to be successful in the NFL at 946 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 3: various positions. Do you have any players? And I want 947 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 3: to extend this question because I want to give you 948 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 3: time to scan through your your roster trips. Yeah, I 949 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 3: see what's going on. We've done this show before. But 950 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 3: is there somebody who are like, look, he's not fast, 951 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 3: he is not tall, but he will catch. His catch 952 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 3: radius is incredible. His ability to cut in and out 953 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 3: of you know, a hit, rout whatever is incredible. Like, 954 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 3: who are your skills bets? Be at a polished defensive 955 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 3: end with you know, limitless moves or you know a 956 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,399 Speaker 3: safety who just sees the field quicker than everybody else, 957 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 3: Who are your skills bets? If such players exist? 958 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 1: This year, I got like a Day three guy I 959 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: really like is Jalen Marino Cropper from Fresno State, YEP, 960 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 1: undersize saw like one seventy three. I think you waited 961 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,439 Speaker 1: at the combine, which is a scary, but I love 962 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 1: his game. 963 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 2: I thought he should have came. 964 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 1: Out last year. I had a third round grade on 965 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: him last year. It's kind of about the same this. 966 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 2: Year, give or take. 967 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,320 Speaker 1: But he is a I think he'll be a nice 968 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,040 Speaker 1: number three for somebody, or maybe a low end number two. 969 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: He's a good, smooth athlete, can catch get handoffs and 970 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 1: take those to the distance and actually be He's just 971 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,720 Speaker 1: a productive football player. Good route runner, crafty player tested. Okay, 972 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: it's just that size is just pretty scary, and usually 973 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 1: I throw him off the board. I'm size pilled. I 974 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: got like a Devanta Smith and Chris Alave were one thing. 975 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,279 Speaker 1: But I can't do this every year. But I really 976 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 1: just like his game. But that's a guy that might 977 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: be more like a fourth round type, early fourth round. 978 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 2: That's how I would kind of gauge him. 979 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm thinking just like other guys that maybe by undersized 980 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 1: type of guys. God, I'm not the best one to 981 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 1: talk about this because I'm so traits pilled. Spears from 982 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: Tulane really really fun player I've compared with Devonte Freeman 983 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: was at Florida Stay and then with the Atlanta Falcons. 984 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: Just say under slightly undersized. He waited more than I thought, 985 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of injury history because he's such a 986 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 1: physical player. He is every touch he thinks he's trying 987 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: to score in the Super Bowl like he and he's 988 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 1: willing blocker. He's just again, I mean, this is a compliment. 989 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: He's a football player. I just wish he was ten 990 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 1: pounds bigger. But he's just a good player. I just 991 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: don't know how how long he might last at the 992 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: next level because he's just so physical and just seeks contact. 993 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 3: Here's a creepy way to ask a question. What traits 994 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,280 Speaker 3: are you most into? 995 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 2: Right? 996 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 3: So you say your traits pilled? So yeah, what when 997 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,839 Speaker 3: physically speaking, does Nate Tice have a type? But now 998 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 3: we have different positions, we have different asks, we have 999 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 3: different systems. But when you look at traits, and you 1000 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 3: already mentioned raw players that you're just you see that 1001 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 3: the the physical tools are there. What can't you get 1002 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,399 Speaker 3: past when you watch a tape, even if you them 1003 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 3: not popping as an all pro, we're just like, man, 1004 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 3: I'm seduced by this. 1005 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: That well, size is the first thing, which is a 1006 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:14,280 Speaker 1: great follow up for that question. No, I I definitely 1007 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: size an armoith. I'm always gonna be a stucker for 1008 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: And that's why I look at first, because it's just 1009 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,320 Speaker 1: and of course there's exceptions. I'm not like just only 1010 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 1: going to go like, oh, just because this guy the 1011 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: biggest guy, you know, they still have to play football. 1012 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 1: It's just that as far as the NFL is a grind, 1013 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: it's eighteen weeks, it's seventeen games, and that's not including playoffs. 1014 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 1: And it's you know, year after year after year, trying 1015 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,840 Speaker 1: to stay healthy and again playing snaps, playing week in 1016 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: week out. Guys that are bigger just last longer because 1017 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 1: it's just physics. It's just it's just how it goes. 1018 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,359 Speaker 1: Like that, those guys don't get hurt as much. Yes, 1019 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,440 Speaker 1: of course there's exceptions to everything. So that's the first 1020 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,760 Speaker 1: thing I kind of I'm going to like the marker, 1021 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 1: going to check and just make sure they may meet 1022 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 1: certain size thresholds. If they don't, you have to have 1023 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 1: some trait. Do you have some speed? That's fantastic, And 1024 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: of course that's the next one is probably speed speed, speed, speed, 1025 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 1: you can never go wrong with speed. Speed kills whatever 1026 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,319 Speaker 1: saying you want to use. The other thing I look 1027 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: at and this is more film watching than like just 1028 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: looking at a traits or testing is especially like offensive 1029 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,360 Speaker 1: line or defensive lineman. Are they on the ground a lot? 1030 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: Are they able to keep their feet? So balance is 1031 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,840 Speaker 1: another thing, because I think balance is an athletic trait 1032 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,279 Speaker 1: that we under sell. Whether it's contact balance, you know, 1033 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 1: keeping your feet as you get tackled, or is it 1034 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,439 Speaker 1: block balance. I'm blocking a guy and someone that hits 1035 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,080 Speaker 1: me in the leg, but I keep I maintain my 1036 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: block and sustain it. Or I'm a defensive lineman, I'm 1037 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,279 Speaker 1: trying to gap and hold up the block. And then 1038 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: another the center hits me from the side. Do I 1039 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 1: hit the ground or I again do I keep my feet? 1040 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,560 Speaker 1: That's why a guy like jay Len Carter's so special, 1041 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 1: is a so big and so just a natural athlete. 1042 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,319 Speaker 1: They rarely see him on the ground despite being so 1043 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 1: tall and top heavy. So but those are kind of 1044 00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,320 Speaker 1: That's like I would say as far as physical traits 1045 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 1: would be, you know, size and arm length. If I'm 1046 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,840 Speaker 1: watching film, it's balance and just being I think tying 1047 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,759 Speaker 1: into that, it's like fluid athlete comes in with that. 1048 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 3: Anything intangible in the Nate Tice notebook, where you like, 1049 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,319 Speaker 3: I don't like body language, I don't like players who 1050 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 3: come from this conference. I don't like guys who are 1051 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 3: under this uh speed at the combine what I mean. 1052 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 3: I guess that's more traits than it is intangible. But 1053 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,800 Speaker 3: what is what is something you mentioned Dalton Kinkaid's back injury. 1054 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 3: Are there certain injury where you're like, look, I don't 1055 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 3: have the data that says every single guy who's broken 1056 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,640 Speaker 3: an ankle is a bad tight end. But I'm just 1057 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,239 Speaker 3: not doing it. What is what is your undefinable uh 1058 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,880 Speaker 3: section of your scouting notebook? 1059 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,720 Speaker 1: Well, backs are scary, so yeah, can't confirm, can't Yeah, 1060 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,759 Speaker 1: backs are scary, so that is one I always going 1061 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: to keep my mind. 1062 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 2: Apparently the team doctors. 1063 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 1: Are in the NFL say he'll be ready for training camp, 1064 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 1: which is always again, but they were saying where he's 1065 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,000 Speaker 1: ready for August, not May or June? 1066 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 2: Right, okay? Interesting? 1067 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,239 Speaker 1: You know all stuff you keep in your head, I 1068 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 1: would say, like, no, go stuff is yeah, just really 1069 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:06,160 Speaker 1: truly undersized guys. Like I've realized as I've entered the 1070 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,560 Speaker 1: media world, is it seems like draft Twitter falls in 1071 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 1: love with some undersized receiver every year. Last year was 1072 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,200 Speaker 1: Calvin Austin from Memphis who was five to nine, one 1073 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty pounds. Before that was two two at 1074 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,320 Speaker 1: Well who went second round to the Rams from Louisville. 1075 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,759 Speaker 2: He was five nine five. Uh, yeah, you're not. 1076 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,120 Speaker 1: Those guys are not on my board, and I can 1077 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 1: appreciate the player I love. There's certain undersized guys. Again, 1078 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,720 Speaker 1: I'll always bring up Devonte Smith. He was my receiver 1079 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 1: won that class over Jamar Chase. I just thought because 1080 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,360 Speaker 1: he was a true football player, he was physical and 1081 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 1: did all that. You just have to prove you just 1082 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 1: have one strike against you. And then if you can 1083 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,960 Speaker 1: prove that you are tough, or you don't get injured, 1084 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,960 Speaker 1: or you haven't been injured in your college career, or 1085 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,480 Speaker 1: you have ways to mitigate that size, then I'm more 1086 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: having I have more willingness to kind of go like, oh, 1087 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,200 Speaker 1: he's fine then, but yeah, size thresholds I kind of 1088 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,799 Speaker 1: have for each position. Once, even Kincaid's two forty, that 1089 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 1: is a little scary for me. If you just see 1090 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: and look at what quote unquote receiving tight ends I've 1091 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,399 Speaker 1: done at tries, There's not a lot of them. It's 1092 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,080 Speaker 1: like Kellen Winslow and like Owen Daniels and Dalton Schultz 1093 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,239 Speaker 1: are like the only ones that had eight hundred yards 1094 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,320 Speaker 1: in the last twenty years. It's not a huge list. 1095 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 1: That's why there are size thresholds. So I don't mean 1096 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,719 Speaker 1: to make this whole pot about weight. No, you're not 1097 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,680 Speaker 1: right that size. There's more to it than that. But 1098 00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,319 Speaker 1: that is one that maybe it's hard to get up for. 1099 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: Is if you're not meeting certain size thresholds that I 1100 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,480 Speaker 1: think you can't overcome. 1101 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,760 Speaker 3: You've mentioned basically every position. This is my final question. 1102 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,759 Speaker 3: One position group you haven't mentioned is linebacker, and linebacker 1103 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 3: is seems to be the ultimate, like you got to 1104 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 3: do two things excellently or you're just not going to 1105 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 3: be in this league for very long. Right, You got 1106 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,160 Speaker 3: to fill run gaps and you have to be able 1107 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 3: to cover faster dudes going directions where you don't know 1108 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 3: where they're going. Is it a good linebacker class? What 1109 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,920 Speaker 3: is the state of playing linebacker in the NFL if 1110 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,319 Speaker 3: you're not Patrick Willis or Luke Keikley, Like it just 1111 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,879 Speaker 3: seems like this it almost feels like a forgotten position group, 1112 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,960 Speaker 3: not just in the draft, but in the way like 1113 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,000 Speaker 3: if you unless you're Fred Warner or whatever, just like, well, 1114 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 3: we got to put somebody on the field, and I 1115 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,439 Speaker 3: have no idea who's good this year. 1116 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,360 Speaker 2: It's it's not a good class. 1117 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 3: That's why. 1118 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's really one consensus top guy. And then 1119 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,600 Speaker 1: after that it's kind of just aduldrum of like of 1120 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,600 Speaker 1: who's that. It's a who's who, Who's who? Of who's 1121 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,640 Speaker 1: that that that's kind of what I say, but linebacker 1122 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,760 Speaker 1: because of what is asked to them at the college level, 1123 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,520 Speaker 1: everybody runs more three down fronts. Now, not you know everybody, 1124 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: but a majority of defenses running the titan mid fronts 1125 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 1: where there's three down, and then these guys linebackers are 1126 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,400 Speaker 1: asked to kind of be different types of. 1127 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,080 Speaker 2: Players than they're asked to be in the NFL. 1128 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,360 Speaker 1: Not a lot of them take on blocks, like you know, 1129 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,919 Speaker 1: fit up on a guard coming at them, or even 1130 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,799 Speaker 1: a full back or a tight end slice en up 1131 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,919 Speaker 1: to them. So it is like you're looking at more 1132 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 1: again trying to extrapolate those those couple of plays that 1133 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,600 Speaker 1: you see that do translate to the next level. But 1134 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,799 Speaker 1: the first thing first is can they cover. If if 1135 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,440 Speaker 1: you can't cover, you are it's gonna be really really 1136 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 1: hard to find a role in the NFL, especially now. 1137 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,920 Speaker 1: That is why more teams are going to nickel base 1138 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,520 Speaker 1: defenses where there are five dvs on the field. Again, 1139 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,680 Speaker 1: speaking to that slot position being more of a bigger 1140 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,760 Speaker 1: body like this year, like the top guys Drew Sanders 1141 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,520 Speaker 1: from Arkansas and he had some good athletic traits. His 1142 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,279 Speaker 1: film is pretty dang good just all around that's the 1143 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,880 Speaker 1: one guy I see going late in the first round. 1144 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,880 Speaker 1: And then after that, you know it's just kind of 1145 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,920 Speaker 1: a I guess Trent Simpson. But then like, what's his 1146 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,799 Speaker 1: best role from Clemson? What's Jack Campbell? Like, what do 1147 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,520 Speaker 1: you think of him? He tested better than his film shows, 1148 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,759 Speaker 1: and he because he played in the Big Ten, has 1149 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,000 Speaker 1: more film that translates, because what the offenses are in 1150 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,040 Speaker 1: the Big Ten, it's really Big Ten runs everything. Now, 1151 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of hilarious. It's compared to what I was there. 1152 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 1: Everybody ran quarters on defense that I formation on offense. 1153 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,640 Speaker 2: So that's what you did. 1154 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,880 Speaker 1: So that is that's something that kind of makes it 1155 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,719 Speaker 1: easier to translate. But it is a position that is 1156 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,359 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot more Day two picks than 1157 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,600 Speaker 1: first rounders, I think in the years to come, and 1158 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,719 Speaker 1: it's going to be a lot more guys translating where 1159 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,880 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, this guy was a safety until his 1160 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,120 Speaker 1: last year at college, and then you moved this and 1161 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:12,720 Speaker 1: he moved. 1162 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:13,279 Speaker 2: The linebacker right. 1163 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,200 Speaker 1: Put on some weight, yeah, put on some weight. Or 1164 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,960 Speaker 1: this guy was a tweener in college. They used him 1165 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,640 Speaker 1: as a hybrid, and okay, we're gonna it's there's a 1166 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,879 Speaker 1: lot more it used to be. These guys just plug 1167 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,200 Speaker 1: and play. You can get a first year starter in 1168 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,319 Speaker 1: the first year, first three rounds. I think now these 1169 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,439 Speaker 1: guys have to develop a little bit more because they're 1170 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,080 Speaker 1: asked to do so much differently at the NFL level. So, 1171 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,560 Speaker 1: long story short, it's not a great class, but it's 1172 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,319 Speaker 1: also a really hard position to translate now than it 1173 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: was five, ten, fifteen, twenty years ago. 1174 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,640 Speaker 3: Interesting Nate final question, then we'll let you go. 1175 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,120 Speaker 4: Speaking on behalf of all Penn Staters, I can say 1176 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,760 Speaker 4: that the Will Levis thing has been a roller coaster 1177 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,759 Speaker 4: over the last year. We brought you on last year, 1178 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,359 Speaker 4: I believe I called you crazy because you had him 1179 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,400 Speaker 4: high on your radar of guys to watch. You explained why, 1180 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,640 Speaker 4: and you're point I believe a year ago was Look, 1181 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,279 Speaker 4: he's got some interesting tools, he had a good year, 1182 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,040 Speaker 4: which he of course had a good year. I'd like 1183 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,839 Speaker 4: to see more data on him. Now that you've seen 1184 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,440 Speaker 4: the data, where you're removed from that conversation, Will Levis 1185 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 4: still a first round quarterback. I don't think that's unwarranted. 1186 00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,200 Speaker 4: I'm just wondering what you learned in this past year 1187 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,359 Speaker 4: about Will Levis and you know how you feel about 1188 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 4: him now compared to when we had this talk back 1189 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:27,839 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two. 1190 00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,960 Speaker 1: I because the situation was so bad around it this year, 1191 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 1: it was kind of I wanted to see a couple 1192 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,200 Speaker 1: more stretches of dominance out of him. When you're taking 1193 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,440 Speaker 1: a guy in the top fifteen picks and give him 1194 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:40,719 Speaker 1: a lot of money, you kind of want to see 1195 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,480 Speaker 1: some dominance. You want to see some like, oh, that's 1196 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 1: the best player on the field right there. And there 1197 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,359 Speaker 1: wasn't really a lot of stretches that. There's a lot 1198 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,040 Speaker 1: more flashes. I just did a video on him, like 1199 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,920 Speaker 1: a full breakdown video and Rea my four times studying 1200 00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,759 Speaker 1: him now, but I was head to pull clips because 1201 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,400 Speaker 1: I'm an idiot. The first couple of times I him, 1202 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,359 Speaker 1: I didn't save any of the video, so I had 1203 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,399 Speaker 1: to watch it again and it was like, oh my god, 1204 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,160 Speaker 1: that was like they've go out to these games again. 1205 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,880 Speaker 1: And that video, though, because I had to watch it 1206 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,759 Speaker 1: and talk about these clips, was when I kind of 1207 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,359 Speaker 1: came around a little bit on him what he did 1208 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 1: because his offensive line was so bad and all of 1209 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,600 Speaker 1: his teammates were kind of sabotaging him and dropping balls. 1210 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,040 Speaker 2: Left and right. 1211 00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,719 Speaker 1: I actually came away a little more optimistic about him. 1212 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,800 Speaker 1: I still think he's far from a perfect prospect. Another 1213 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: older prospect he turns twenty four in June and also 1214 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,239 Speaker 1: just has he has some accuracy stuff that crops up 1215 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,919 Speaker 1: because of his folk work. It's a little too out 1216 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,640 Speaker 1: of whack. But why his bad teammates actually helped him 1217 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,440 Speaker 1: was because he had very real NFL pockets to deal with, 1218 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,000 Speaker 1: more than c. J. Stroud, more than Anthy Richardson, more 1219 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 1: than even Bryce Young, more than a head and hooker. 1220 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,279 Speaker 1: He had to turn his back to the defense and 1221 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,759 Speaker 1: there's bullets flying everywhere, and he was getting rid of 1222 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,759 Speaker 1: the ball as he's taking a shot to the chin. 1223 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 1: I felt really bad for him. Like I said this 1224 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,399 Speaker 1: on our podcast. Was it reminded me of the old 1225 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,479 Speaker 1: Archie Manning stories where these NFL players said they stop 1226 00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,719 Speaker 1: hitting Art he's so hard because they felt bad for 1227 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 1: him when he's playing for the aighths in the eighties, 1228 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,359 Speaker 1: and so they were like, okay, we took it easy 1229 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,200 Speaker 1: on him because we sacked them twelve times, and we 1230 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,440 Speaker 1: were like, okay, well we'll pick you up after ask 1231 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,680 Speaker 1: sorry about that. That's how I fell about Levis. But 1232 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,279 Speaker 1: he is again, not a perfect prospect, but again he 1233 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,719 Speaker 1: is a good, solid, first round kind of prospect. I 1234 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,360 Speaker 1: compared him to Ryan Tannehill as his upside. 1235 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:22,480 Speaker 2: Where he is. 1236 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,320 Speaker 1: He's not very creative as a We talked about throwing 1237 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,080 Speaker 1: off platform and everything. He can change his arm angles, 1238 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,000 Speaker 1: which is always it's you need to see that at 1239 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,319 Speaker 1: the next level. But he's not a guy that's going 1240 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,000 Speaker 1: to like extend to play outside the pocket and throw 1241 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,640 Speaker 1: some trick shot underhand in between two guys, which is 1242 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,520 Speaker 1: do you need it? No, But I'd like to see 1243 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:43,160 Speaker 1: that a little more. 1244 00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:43,759 Speaker 2: Can he do it? 1245 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,279 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, Like is it a can or won't 1246 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,680 Speaker 1: kind of situation that you just not have those opportunities 1247 00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,279 Speaker 1: to do so there at the Kentucky level. So my 1248 00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,319 Speaker 1: kind of long answer of all or a short answer 1249 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,760 Speaker 1: of all this, is that he has a lot of tools, 1250 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,440 Speaker 1: a lot of traits. The toughness that you need to 1251 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,560 Speaker 1: have at that position. All these quarterbacks are tough, by 1252 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,200 Speaker 1: the way, which is good. It's like, okay, good, okay, 1253 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,239 Speaker 1: I don't have to beat around the bush around how 1254 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:07,279 Speaker 1: to talk about these guys. 1255 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,680 Speaker 2: All these guys are tough football players. I kind of. 1256 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,480 Speaker 1: I really like their all their demeanors when I watch 1257 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,880 Speaker 1: them on film, and Levis is the epitome that he 1258 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,240 Speaker 1: gets himself off. He takes some blows and so that's commendable. 1259 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,400 Speaker 1: I never interviewed him, so I don't know how he 1260 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,760 Speaker 1: is on the board or anything like that, but to me, 1261 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,920 Speaker 1: it shows that he had showed that he understood what 1262 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,400 Speaker 1: to accomplish each play. Sometimes it gonna be a little 1263 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,840 Speaker 1: too robotic, like he's too much. He got coach and 1264 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,040 Speaker 1: he's like, I'm going to do exactly what coach told 1265 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,200 Speaker 1: me to do. One, two, three, four, five six, YEA 1266 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,200 Speaker 1: ball's out, you know, all on rhythm. And sometimes it's 1267 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,760 Speaker 1: like get a little more creative flair to your game. 1268 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,800 Speaker 1: There you go, And I think that's what what I'm. 1269 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:41,480 Speaker 2: Missing a little bit. 1270 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,800 Speaker 3: Was there anyone, by the way, just in watching film, 1271 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,960 Speaker 3: not player wise, but coach wise, team wise, You're like, 1272 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,200 Speaker 3: what they're doing there is nifty. I really enjoy watching 1273 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,640 Speaker 3: this offense or this defense because they're doing cool things. 1274 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,040 Speaker 1: Uh. South dakost State, Yeah, what about it? He has 1275 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 1: a young offensive coordinator and I'm blanking on right now. 1276 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,360 Speaker 1: I want to give him a shout out. A few 1277 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,040 Speaker 1: days ago when I was tweeting about Tucker Craft. They 1278 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,960 Speaker 1: just have a creative offense using traditional pro sets, you know, 1279 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,040 Speaker 1: tight ends and fullbacks, but even how they use those 1280 00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,080 Speaker 1: guys is creative. They'll have a full house backfield, they'll 1281 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,560 Speaker 1: have shifting emotioning, they'll have the double wing tight end, 1282 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,320 Speaker 1: they'll have check with me plays like they it's everything, 1283 00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,400 Speaker 1: but it's also sound. It's very well coached. There's nothing gimmicky, 1284 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,080 Speaker 1: and I really like that. That was one where I 1285 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,080 Speaker 1: was like, so good, shit, Like people should people should 1286 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:31,840 Speaker 1: be watching these guys. 1287 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,560 Speaker 3: Somebody hire this OC. 1288 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,840 Speaker 1: Seriously though, Like that guy whatever, he's young. I know 1289 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,200 Speaker 1: he's young. He's young, like twenty eight years old, twenty 1290 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,920 Speaker 1: nine years old. I really liked what they did. A 1291 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,400 Speaker 1: team that I came away liking way more than I 1292 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,440 Speaker 1: thought I would because they didn't really put a lot 1293 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,880 Speaker 1: of points on the board. Was Florida's offensive line was 1294 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,400 Speaker 1: really well coached, and I don't know. 1295 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:53,640 Speaker 2: How they are as a whole team. 1296 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,960 Speaker 1: I don't know as a offensive line, they are really 1297 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,960 Speaker 1: well coached and really well schemed, so run game, their 1298 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,600 Speaker 1: protections and all that. That whoever their line coach was, 1299 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,080 Speaker 1: did a really nice job there. That was another one 1300 00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,400 Speaker 1: that I came taken away like, hey, that that's pretty 1301 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,320 Speaker 1: nifty like that, Like they're doing real NFL stuff at 1302 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,320 Speaker 1: the college level. So that it surprised me too because 1303 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,320 Speaker 1: I watched for it on TV this year. Wasn't thinking that. 1304 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,640 Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about Foida's receivers or anything like that, 1305 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,200 Speaker 1: just but just strictly their run game and their protection's 1306 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:25,760 Speaker 1: very good. 1307 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:26,600 Speaker 3: All right. 1308 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,400 Speaker 4: His name is Nate Tys Nate underscore Tice on Twitter. 1309 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,360 Speaker 4: You know him from the Athletic from the Athletic Football Show. 1310 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,040 Speaker 3: Nate one more Time. 1311 00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,280 Speaker 4: You're doing a live draft show on Thursday and Friday 1312 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:38,920 Speaker 4: on YouTube. 1313 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,560 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes we are, Yes, Me, Robert Mays and 1314 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,320 Speaker 1: Dane Bruger. We will be there round one for four 1315 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,560 Speaker 1: straight hours, no bathroom breaks. The cats are three yeah, 1316 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,720 Speaker 1: the stadium, pal Stadium of course, and then yeah, and 1317 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,520 Speaker 1: then rounds two and three on Friday night. Will be 1318 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,080 Speaker 1: there for every pick analysis. We have some beat writers 1319 00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,640 Speaker 1: coming on, so you can mute the ESPIFL network if 1320 01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,520 Speaker 1: you want and listen to us just blab on about 1321 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,360 Speaker 1: guys like I did on this show beautiful. 1322 01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,400 Speaker 4: Well, look, we appreciate your wisdom as always. Hopefully we 1323 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,320 Speaker 4: can continue doing this year after year. Thanks for making 1324 01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,040 Speaker 4: us smarter, Nate Tice, good luck to you, enjoy your show, 1325 01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:16,560 Speaker 4: and we'll be sure to tune in. 1326 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:17,680 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 1327 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,680 Speaker 4: All Right, there you go, Nate Tye The Athletic the 1328 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:25,480 Speaker 4: Athletic Football Show, the live Athletic football Show. You might 1329 01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,040 Speaker 4: have caught my teas at the very top of this show. Okay, 1330 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,160 Speaker 4: what you can watch on Thursday and Friday if you're 1331 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,000 Speaker 4: not an ESPN guy or an NFL network guy. By 1332 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,280 Speaker 4: the way, a very divisive question if you've never asked 1333 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,360 Speaker 4: it before, Ask your friends just on a text ed 1334 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:43,800 Speaker 4: what network are you watching? 1335 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:44,920 Speaker 2: Oh? 1336 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,320 Speaker 4: Which network are you into? You will get a wide 1337 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,520 Speaker 4: range of answers, and people are very opinionated on it. 1338 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,080 Speaker 3: Well. And those networks now have like the alt streams. Yes, 1339 01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,880 Speaker 3: where Mina Kaimes, Who's terrific, is doing like the stream 1340 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,800 Speaker 3: on Twitter or something else right where they're watching along 1341 01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,640 Speaker 3: and it's the more casual. They're hanging out on a 1342 01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,360 Speaker 3: couch or neither wearing hoodies tie you know, it's casual. 1343 01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,880 Speaker 3: It's a casual stream when they're wearing hoodies. That's the 1344 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,280 Speaker 3: tell tale sign. I did one. I did a watch 1345 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,040 Speaker 3: a long stream. Well, I did a bunch of espionation, 1346 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,560 Speaker 3: but then I did one with Sports Illustrated with Andy 1347 01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,120 Speaker 3: Staples Albert Breer, who am I forgetting. There was a 1348 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,600 Speaker 3: couple other people on set and we made food and 1349 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,480 Speaker 3: it was like an actual watch party where we were 1350 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:26,320 Speaker 3: stuffing our face with like cherizo cone queso and all 1351 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,160 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. But yes, I tend to go 1352 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,840 Speaker 3: ESPN just because of the familiarity of the chimes and 1353 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:39,000 Speaker 3: the scroll. I you know, I'm an old fashioned draft 1354 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:40,320 Speaker 3: romantic tie. I just am. 1355 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of can't kick the ESPN thing. I've 1356 01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,160 Speaker 4: been watching ESPN a lot longer than I've been watching 1357 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:45,920 Speaker 4: NFL Network. 1358 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,400 Speaker 3: They both do a great job. 1359 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,880 Speaker 4: I like the personalities on both, but it's it's hard 1360 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:52,760 Speaker 4: to kick that habit. 1361 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:53,000 Speaker 2: Man. 1362 01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,760 Speaker 3: I've been an ESPN guy my whole life. I love 1363 01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,480 Speaker 3: the phone call guys that are not at the draft 1364 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,360 Speaker 3: oh yeah, where they have a camera crew or they 1365 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,040 Speaker 3: have some sort of camera peeking in at a living 1366 01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:08,160 Speaker 3: room and it's somebody getting the phone call. Everybody starts 1367 01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,120 Speaker 3: freaking out around him and he's doing his best, Like, 1368 01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,680 Speaker 3: can you just all shut up? I cannot hear this GM, 1369 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,960 Speaker 3: I cannot hear Ozzie Newsom or whatever. I have no 1370 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,400 Speaker 3: idea if Ozzie Newsom is still running the Raven I think, 1371 01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:21,720 Speaker 3: is he still doing it? 1372 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:22,160 Speaker 2: Okay? Thinks? 1373 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,360 Speaker 3: So I love that. I love when people do the 1374 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,640 Speaker 3: freeze frame on Russell Wilson's now ex wife right where 1375 01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:32,320 Speaker 3: she's like has like the crazed face, she's so happy. 1376 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,520 Speaker 3: I love all that stuff, and so yeah, I am. 1377 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,520 Speaker 3: I'm in on the draft. By the way. Two recommendations. 1378 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,640 Speaker 3: Bill Barnwell wrote a sensational piece about running back value 1379 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,520 Speaker 3: and positional value and what different guys are worth. It 1380 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,280 Speaker 3: was sort of center around Bjon Robinson. That was great, 1381 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,440 Speaker 3: So go out of your way to read that. And 1382 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,040 Speaker 3: then I want to say it was Ari Wasserman and 1383 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:55,480 Speaker 3: you might have to fill in the blank for me. 1384 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,080 Speaker 3: It was he, It might have been Obin or somebody. 1385 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,600 Speaker 3: Where they talked about which schools produce, like who's three star? 1386 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,840 Speaker 3: U right that per capita? How many of this school's 1387 01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:08,960 Speaker 3: three stars get drafted? Like if you are a three star, 1388 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,560 Speaker 3: if you're a four star, if you're a five star, 1389 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,120 Speaker 3: which schools give you the best and worst opportunity to 1390 01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,120 Speaker 3: get drafted, or just the data says it. Obviously, getting 1391 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,280 Speaker 3: drafted can be quite random based on injury and coaching changes, 1392 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,960 Speaker 3: all those things. But Ohio State was three star U 1393 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,800 Speaker 3: because the three star guys that go to Ohio State 1394 01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,760 Speaker 3: one are probably evaluated as thoroughly as anybody by Ohio 1395 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,400 Speaker 3: State's coaching staff. But they're also going up against four 1396 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,880 Speaker 3: and five star guys constantly in practice, and so it's 1397 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,600 Speaker 3: that idea that like, oh, well, they're a three star guy, 1398 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,760 Speaker 3: but they're playing in a five star program and they're 1399 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,040 Speaker 3: getting the best of everything, and it's easier to develop, 1400 01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,880 Speaker 3: I presume, at Ohio State than it is for ninety 1401 01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,200 Speaker 3: eight percent of schools. So it's a fascinating piece and 1402 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,080 Speaker 3: I love all that stuff. I love all the data 1403 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,080 Speaker 3: driven conversations about the NFL Draft. A lot of good 1404 01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:55,840 Speaker 3: content out there. 1405 01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,920 Speaker 4: Dan no shortage of content definitely this time of year 1406 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,640 Speaker 4: talking all things NFL Draft. It has been a long 1407 01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,360 Speaker 4: winding road to get here. I feel like we've been 1408 01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,000 Speaker 4: talking NFL Draft, you know, just in whispers for the 1409 01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:11,400 Speaker 4: last six months now, last year with some guys like 1410 01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,080 Speaker 4: Will Levis we get to see it come fruition. We're 1411 01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,040 Speaker 4: all college football fans at heart. It is cool to 1412 01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,720 Speaker 4: see how the league not only values these guys but 1413 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,520 Speaker 4: then picks them and where they go and which situation 1414 01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,120 Speaker 4: they'll find themselves in next So we'll be watching on Thursday. 1415 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,360 Speaker 3: Will you be awake for pick nineteen? 1416 01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:35,880 Speaker 4: Pick nineteen, Yes, once you get into the mid Williams, 1417 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,800 Speaker 4: I will, because the Giants picked twenty five or twenty six, 1418 01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:40,000 Speaker 4: and you'll make it. 1419 01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:40,680 Speaker 2: I'll make it. 1420 01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:45,520 Speaker 3: Oh man, that would be the biggest Draft night chucker. Yeah, 1421 01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,280 Speaker 3: you're making it, So I am. I definitely. I just 1422 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,360 Speaker 3: zone out in lateeen somewhere in there where I'm just like, oh, 1423 01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,280 Speaker 3: there's been a run of seven picks that I've missed, 1424 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,360 Speaker 3: or I just go the next morning, I'm like, oh, 1425 01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:56,439 Speaker 3: Mike mclinchy. Cool. 1426 01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,600 Speaker 4: My final thought on this then, I promise we'll let 1427 01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,960 Speaker 4: the people go. My prediction for the draft is you 1428 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,600 Speaker 4: may be aware there is some turmoil on Twitter at 1429 01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:10,439 Speaker 4: the moment. I think because of said turmoil, Draft Knight 1430 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:17,480 Speaker 4: could be utter mayhem, utter mayhem, hamping with misinformation and 1431 01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:24,560 Speaker 4: unsubstantiated rumors and parody accounts and all the like. On 1432 01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,000 Speaker 4: the whole, that's probably not good for our online discourse. However, 1433 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,200 Speaker 4: on NFL Draft night, it will make things interesting for 1434 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,040 Speaker 4: those just watching from home, and I'm weirdly kind of 1435 01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:35,680 Speaker 4: excited about that component of it. 1436 01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,880 Speaker 3: Who are the high the high Notre Damers and Penn Staters. 1437 01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,560 Speaker 3: It's Joey Porter Junior. Joey Porter Junior is the one 1438 01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,440 Speaker 3: for penns Mayor Michael Mayer is the one for Notre Dame. Yeah, 1439 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,680 Speaker 3: all right, organ has Christian Zalez could be a top 1440 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,600 Speaker 3: tennis should be a top Colorado transfer. I don't I'm 1441 01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,280 Speaker 3: trying to think who else from Oregon would be top tier. 1442 01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,080 Speaker 3: I don't even know if there is, but yeah, Christian 1443 01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,120 Speaker 3: Zalez is the organ first round. Very good. 1444 01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,160 Speaker 4: Well, look, thanks again to Nate Tice. Make sure you 1445 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,640 Speaker 4: check him out again Thursday and Friday. They're doing their 1446 01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,640 Speaker 4: live show on YouTube. Don't forget to go to Overbowlers 1447 01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,400 Speaker 4: dot com if you're interested in further supporting our show 1448 01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,400 Speaker 4: v R B A L L E r s dot com. 1449 01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,360 Speaker 4: If nothing more, make sure you hit follow or subscribe 1450 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,479 Speaker 4: on your podcasting app of choice. We will be back 1451 01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,479 Speaker 4: on Thursday giving you a run through. 1452 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,840 Speaker 3: Oh it's been a while since we did news because 1453 01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,480 Speaker 3: we've been doing first year dbriefs, news and what we got, 1454 01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,080 Speaker 3: spring stuff, portal stuff, all sorts of stuff to catch 1455 01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:29,320 Speaker 3: up on. 1456 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,360 Speaker 4: We were playing ketchup in a big way on our 1457 01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,920 Speaker 4: next episode. Hope you'll join us. For that guy over there, 1458 01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,160 Speaker 4: my good friend Dan Rubinstein. For myself, Tie Hilton Brandt. 1459 01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,720 Speaker 4: Until next time, Stay solid, peace,