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Speaker 1: Progress. Hello Whipsmarties. Oh my goodness, do we have a

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Speaker 1: brilliant guest on the show today. This is a person

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Speaker 1: whose story has inspired me for so long, both in

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Speaker 1: my interactions with them and also in the way they

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Speaker 1: impact the world and in the way they have been

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Speaker 1: impacting the world for so many years. Now today we

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Speaker 1: are joined by Alison Stoner. They are an entertainer, author,

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Speaker 1: and the founder and CEO of Movement Genius, a mental

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Speaker 1: health company that is providing therapist led content to improve

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Speaker 1: well being for all people, and Alison knows how important

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Speaker 1: that is. During their childhood, they were in over two

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Speaker 1: hundred films, TV shows and tours, everything from Camp Rock

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Speaker 1: to Phineas and for to Step Up, Cheaper by the Dozen,

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Speaker 1: and very iconic music videos. You probably know them from

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Speaker 1: with Missy Elliott and Eminem As the writer and host

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Speaker 1: of the award winning Dear Hollywood podcast, Stoner has been

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Speaker 1: advocating for industry and policy reform that centers the safety

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Speaker 1: and protection of children in both traditional and digital media.

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Speaker 1: Allison now holds multiple certifications across the mental health space

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Speaker 1: and has led programming for the UN, the World Health Organization, LGBTQIA,

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Speaker 1: centers and leading universities, and now they are releasing their

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Speaker 1: incredible memoir Semi Well Adjusted Despite literally everything into the world.

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Speaker 1: It is such a profoundly powerful book, and it really

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Speaker 1: pulls back the curtain so that we can all have

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Speaker 1: conversations that we need to have. And somehow Allison has

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Speaker 1: managed to make this book bold, entertaining, warm, and galvanizing

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Speaker 1: all at once. It's really a beacon for reform and

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Speaker 1: a roadmap to healing. And I'm really excited to talk

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Speaker 1: with Alison about this whole journey today. Let's dive in.

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Speaker 1: Do you have auburn hair? Now?

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Speaker 2: Is that new?

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Speaker 1: I did it like a year ago? But okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: what is time? What do we know about anything anymore?

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Speaker 1: The world is crazy?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. In fact, as we dive into this, can you

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Speaker 3: share a few words about where you're located mentally and emotionally? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Sweet soul. You know, it's interesting. It's like when people

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Speaker 1: ask how are you lately, I'm like, well, in the

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Speaker 1: and elated to like finally be in a genuinely good

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Speaker 1: has never been worse, and it's never been less safe

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Speaker 1: for people like us in the world, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we like I don't know, might be entering into World

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Speaker 1: War three, like literally, so it's like it's kind of

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Speaker 1: like whiplash all the time, is how I feel? Okay,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel?

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Speaker 3: Thank you for helping me understand where you are, because

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Speaker 3: very similarly, I am grateful to be experiencing stability and

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Speaker 3: groundedness in my intimate relationships in a way that is

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Speaker 3: so healing. And yet of course you walk outside, you

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Speaker 3: and it is I can relate to the sense of whiplash.

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Speaker 3: And I actually was just thinking about how I can

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Speaker 3: feel myself slowly on the cusp of becoming a bit

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Speaker 3: more desensitized. And that's usually a signal for me that

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Speaker 3: I'm either trying to accomplish too much and wear too

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Speaker 3: many hats and play too many roles in all of

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Speaker 3: the different domains of life, or I'm recognizing a very

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Speaker 3: natural and normal response to overwhelming amounts of information. But

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Speaker 3: I've just been reflecting this morning, specifically on how the

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Speaker 3: more desensitized I or we become, the easier it is

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Speaker 3: to start dehumanizing each other and ourselves, and how that

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Speaker 3: is in some ways precisely what is designed to happen

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Speaker 3: right now, and therefore, like we have to vow to

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Speaker 1: I'm really happy to see you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice to see you. It's been a minute.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's so crazy. It's like the pandemic sort

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Speaker 1: and also only a minute with everyone I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: in a while. It's like such a weird, melty sense

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Speaker 3: It's fun likewise, and I do remember many years ago

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Speaker 3: was like, oh my gosh, now I get to celebrate

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Speaker 3: you know others haven't gotten a chance to know yet.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. We'll be back in just a minute after

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Speaker 1: a few words from our favorite sponsors. As a person

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Speaker 1: know that you've been circling these themes about work and

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Speaker 1: childhood and self discovery and being able to be your

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Speaker 1: full self turned into this full excavation, this full book.

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Speaker 3: I began outlining a man I didn't know what book.

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Speaker 3: It would become, an analyzing research specifically across media, culture

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Speaker 3: just to ensure that as I was writing and reflecting,

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Speaker 3: my perspective was informed by a variety of fields. It

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Speaker 3: was never about needing an audience to validate what happened,

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Speaker 3: all of these other documentaries and memoirs.

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Speaker 2: And so I had.

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Speaker 3: A literary agent who reached out. They had just added

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Speaker 3: someone to the team, and the new person resurfaced the

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Speaker 3: book proposal that I had written years ago and said,

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Speaker 3: and Jeanette is also we grew up with the same

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Speaker 3: so when she resurfaced it, I kind of went, Okay,

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Speaker 3: but no commitments. And eventually, you know, we found an editor,

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm really doing this. I had to start

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Speaker 3: going through the legal review of the manuscript and validate

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Speaker 3: yet when some of these new details emerged, when I

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Speaker 3: but puzzle pieces together and finally seeing the whole image

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Speaker 3: of my life cohesively. Wow, this book not only became

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Speaker 3: you know, this line standing desire to share these intimate

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Speaker 2: But also it's now this.

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Speaker 3: because I found out this information that I never knew

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Speaker 3: that helped everything make more sense. So it's very living

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Speaker 3: so I'm a little nervous. You know that it's permanently

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Speaker 2: But that is what it is.

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Speaker 3: And thankfully that's why I called it semi well adjusted

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I love it, and I think it's beautiful,

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Speaker 1: and I know that it's not. It's so obviously not easy,

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Speaker 1: But I do wonder. I think when you are a

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Speaker 1: now that it's all on paper, even though it must

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Speaker 3: And I am so nervous that I chose to do

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Speaker 3: But wow, like, why did I sign up for this?

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Speaker 3: year old's brain still neurobiologically cannot differentiate between fantasy and reality. Like, yeah,

437
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Speaker 3: this is a recipe for all of us to.

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Speaker 2: Be on the struggle bus.

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Speaker 3: The good news is, or the opportunity that we have

440
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Speaker 3: is this kind of mind body education and learning which

441
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Speaker 3: tools you need in which moments of the day to

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Speaker 3: help cope and move through stress. These are available and

443
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Speaker 3: they don't have to be behind a super expensive paywall.

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Speaker 3: That's why you know, when I founded my mental health company,

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00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: Movement Genius, we specifically thought what is the most accessible, affordable,

446
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Speaker 3: casual way for people to get access to stress relief

447
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: techniques mental emotional health tools. You know, think about it

448
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: kind of like headspace and calm, but for a much

449
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: broader variety of strategies and tools to improve your well being.

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Speaker 3: So it's not just meditation, it's also like bilateral tapping

451
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Speaker 3: and progressive muscle relaxation, and they're guided led by therapists,

452
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Speaker 3: So you don't have to be the expert until you

453
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: start to realize, oh, I am building an awareness of

454
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 3: how my system operates and what to do to manage

455
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Speaker 3: the day. So looking back, I was always this kid

456
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Speaker 3: who was deeply researching and trying to understand that was

457
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Speaker 3: maybe in some ways my coping strategy. I needed to

458
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Speaker 3: know exactly why this was happening and because it because things,

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Speaker 3: you know, did not make sense until I knew everything

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Speaker 3: about it from every angle. And so now flash forward,

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Speaker 3: we designed actually, this is it's my most excited it's

462
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Speaker 3: the most exciting aspect of the conversation to me because

463
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Speaker 3: my intention is to contribute to solutions at every level

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Speaker 3: of the issue. So individually, we designed Artist Well Being Essentials,

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Speaker 3: which is to my knowledge, the first of its kind

466
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Speaker 3: toolkit where young performers and their families cannot only receive

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Speaker 3: some psycho education like foundational learning on the mind body connection,

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Speaker 3: but they also get access to these artists specific performance

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Speaker 3: related activities and tools that, as I mentioned, help them

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Speaker 3: get into a nod of character or manage stage fright,

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Speaker 3: manage rejection, you know, body image resources. And so that's

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Speaker 3: like a first line of prevention that doesn't exist and

473
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Speaker 3: should have existed many years ago. Yes, and then the

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Speaker 3: next step is okay, well, now we have to start

475
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Speaker 3: helping the adults working with miners understand what it means

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Speaker 3: to have a minor on set. And we're not just

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Speaker 3: talking like hey, watch your language, things like did you

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Speaker 3: know that some of these young children don't realize that

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Speaker 3: when you, as the audio engineer, are placing a mic

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Speaker 3: pack directly on their body, they've never learned anything about

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Speaker 3: bodily autonomy or consent. And if we don't help them

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Speaker 3: understand that it's okay to say, hey, I'd rather my

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Speaker 3: guardian be here when you do it, which they should

484
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Speaker 3: be anyway, or like hey, I can actually place this

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Speaker 3: here myself, like please don't touch me. That that's okay

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Speaker 3: and healthy and normal, and that you can collaborate together

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Speaker 3: in new ways instead of just saying this little kid

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Speaker 3: is sort of a prop or an ornament, and we

489
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 3: can do whatever we need to do with them, around them,

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Speaker 3: to them to get what we need done, including directors

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Speaker 3: like you know, coercing a child into a really dark

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Speaker 3: state of mind just to make sure they get you know,

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Speaker 3: the most epic emotional reaction on camera, so we can

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Speaker 3: brief adults and provide some simple best practices training preparation.

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Speaker 3: Then not just thinking about the kids, but the industry ecosystem.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited that I'm becoming a mental health coordinator for

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Speaker 3: productions and sets, so similar to intimacy coordination, which is

498
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Speaker 3: kind of like a new becoming more standardized thankfully. You know,

499
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Speaker 3: if someone has seen that involves intimacy, that can be

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Speaker 3: you know, sexual, it could be some kind of nudity.

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Speaker 2: It could also be you know.

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Speaker 3: Depictions of violence or like it's not always you know,

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Speaker 3: flowery and beautiful. With mental health coordination, we can analyze

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Speaker 3: the script and consult on like how you're depicting mental

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Speaker 3: illness to make sure that all of our loved ones

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Speaker 3: who live with schizophrenia or with other mental illness aren't

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Speaker 3: seeing harmful stereotypes that are inaccurate portrayed broadly to society.

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Speaker 3: But we can also be on set to help support.

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Speaker 2: Cast and crew.

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Speaker 3: We can also help support editors who are watching sixteen

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Speaker 3: hours of footage back to back in dark rooms and

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Speaker 3: having to pick, you know, if it's a horror film

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00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: between this gruesome shot and this gruesome shot that takes

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Speaker 3: a toll and then zooming out even further federal policy.

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Speaker 3: I'm super excited. I'm now well, you know, I feel

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Speaker 3: like I'm following your footsteps in a way and seeing this,

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Speaker 3: you know, this aspect of civic engagement and legislative reform

518
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Speaker 3: and advocacy and how that's in necessary part. So we're

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Speaker 3: you know, working on passing some bills to better protect

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Speaker 3: children across media spaces, traditional and digital. And then the

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Speaker 3: largest aspect of this is our social conversations about this.

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Speaker 3: I think we are ready to graduate beyond these just

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Speaker 3: like sensationalized memoirs of oh my gosh, what happened to them?

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Speaker 3: And to actually start reckoning with the systems the way

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Speaker 3: we're doing with everything else, Like we want to know,

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Speaker 3: we want to talk about this.

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Speaker 2: And in the book, why you.

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Speaker 3: Know I called it semi well adjusted partially is because

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Speaker 3: what does it even mean to be well adjusted if

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Speaker 3: the society is dysfunctional? Right? Like?

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Speaker 2: Do you want? Do we want? Is this?

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Speaker 3: What are we trying to acclimate to? We know we

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00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: need some transformation in every space. So there are solutions

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Speaker 3: and it is happening, and there is hope, I promise.

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Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors who make this

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Speaker 1: show possible. It's thrilling to know that it's happening, and

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00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: it's really exciting to witness you take your experiences and

538
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: turn them into change for other people. But I really

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Speaker 1: think part of what's powerful about the stories you are

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Speaker 1: telling right now and the advocacy for kids is that

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Speaker 1: in the way that our society really doesn't like women

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Speaker 1: and wants to tell adult women in this industry that

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Speaker 1: it's not that bad they have some relative privilege, nobody

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Speaker 1: can say that to a kid. It's so much harder

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Speaker 1: to tell a lie about a child in this world

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Speaker 1: than it is to perpetuate lies about women. And so

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Speaker 1: I as an observer, feel really hopeful when you talk

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Speaker 1: about solutions and you talk about hope. I feel hopeful

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Speaker 1: that once the charade is exposed as a charade, that

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Speaker 1: it might be possible to change it for everybody. Start

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Speaker 1: with the kids and work your way out, you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, don't give away my playbook too. Obviously, Yes, if

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Speaker 3: we can help people understand the most vulnerable person on set,

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Speaker 3: the child, is experiencing these things, and we can measureasurably

555
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: report the outcomes of these experiences now over a century.

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Speaker 3: Then yes, this this stands the chance of opening minds

557
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 3: to protocols that you know, affect everyone. I think about,

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Speaker 3: even all I'm learning in the digital space with s parenting,

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Speaker 3: the concept of posting you know, images and clips of

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Speaker 3: your loved ones and young ones online and I think

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Speaker 3: for the most part, adults are are sharing out of

562
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Speaker 3: love and out of pride and out of you know,

563
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: deep desire to connect with other people in new ways online.

564
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Speaker 3: And yet, similarly to the industry where we weren't given

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Speaker 3: a manual and we didn't know the risks in digital spaces,

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Speaker 3: we're not educated collectively on what that digital footprint for

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Speaker 3: your young one can mean for their future for and

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Speaker 3: worse and privacy issues, data issues, identity, theft, all of

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Speaker 3: these different ways that it could affect their future educational

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Speaker 3: pathways and employment. And it was just seemingly a very harmless,

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Speaker 3: adorable video of them in their room playing with a toy,

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Speaker 3: you know. And so I speak about this because this

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Speaker 3: isn't at all a blame game. It's more like, y'all,

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Speaker 3: you we deserve, we all need to up skill up

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Speaker 3: in this area because I believe actually that the more

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Speaker 3: we know, the more it'll become so obvious that you'll

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Speaker 3: naturally start making some shifts because.

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Speaker 2: We simply didn't know better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah before, Well, when you think about it with any

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Speaker 1: major societal shift, I mean, think about the invention of

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Speaker 1: the seat belt. The idea that people ever drove around

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Speaker 1: in cars at high speeds with no seat belts is

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Speaker 1: insane to us. But when this was becoming, you know,

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Speaker 1: a federally mandated rule, there were states where people were saying,

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Speaker 1: you have no right to tell me what to do

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Speaker 1: with my body and my car. And you know, now

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Speaker 1: we think that of just how crazy it is that

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Speaker 1: you would put yourself at risk for no reason. And

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Speaker 1: so I think to your point, it's really important to

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Speaker 1: understand that this feels like our life, but it's also

591
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Speaker 1: so relatively new. You know, when the first Silent film

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Speaker 1: came out, I think it was like nineteen ten or

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Speaker 1: nineteen twelve or something. There's a story about how there

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Speaker 1: was a shot. The camera was, you know, on the

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Speaker 1: train track, and the train's barreling toward the camera, and

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Speaker 1: people got up and ran out of the theater because

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Speaker 1: they thought they were going to get hit by a train.

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Speaker 1: People did not know that the image they were looking

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Speaker 1: at was not in their physical space. No one had

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Speaker 1: experience with the moving pictures yet. Wow. And so when

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Speaker 1: you think about the fact that, like some of our

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Speaker 1: grandparents were born around that time, and now we're dealing with,

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Speaker 1: you know, a physical and a digital world. And as

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Speaker 1: you said, identity theft and deep fakes and all these

605
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Speaker 1: insane things that can be created by technology. It's so new,

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Speaker 1: we don't really know what we're doing yet.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And in the spirit I gotta put a lot

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Speaker 3: of things in air quotes these days, the spirit of innovation.

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Speaker 3: We often are not pausing long enough to take inventory

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Speaker 3: of the impact of making these decisions. And obviously we

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Speaker 3: see that in how extractive we are toward the planet

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Speaker 3: and to people. And you know, yes, but you mentioned

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Speaker 3: something about deep fakes. I don't know if you've spoken

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Speaker 3: a lot about the already, but something I just recently

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Speaker 3: learned was that when it comes to intimate deep fakes,

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Speaker 3: there isn't a blanket federal law preventing intimate deep fakes

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Speaker 3: and AI deep fakes from being created.

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Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors. You know, when

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Speaker 1: you talk about them, and you talk about the lack

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Speaker 1: of federal law. So my best friend Nia and I

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Speaker 1: actually served as two executive producers on a documentary called

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Speaker 1: Another Body, and it really does an incredible job. The

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Speaker 1: filmmakers did a beautiful job walking you through the experience

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Speaker 1: of this kind of abuse of a young woman. And

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Speaker 1: one of the things that startled me so much as

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Speaker 1: we've been, you know, campaigning around the US and the

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Speaker 1: filmmaking team also a eu to stop some of this

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Speaker 1: is the flippancy with which it's treated when ninety eight

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Speaker 1: point eight percent of all victims of deep fake abuse

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Speaker 1: are women and girls. Yes, And when you analyze societies

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Speaker 1: that are sick around the world, one of the first

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Speaker 1: signs of a backsliding democracy or the dissolution of a

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Speaker 1: healthy society is the increased legislating against the rights of women,

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Speaker 1: the increased abuse of women that increases in violence against women.

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Speaker 1: And this is violence against women and yes, also against

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Speaker 1: some men and boys, which is terrible. Undoubtedly one is

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Speaker 1: not I'm saying worse than the other. But women suffer first.

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Speaker 1: Is it is a sign of sickness. And one of

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Speaker 1: the things that really took my breath away was learning

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Speaker 1: in the year that they were making the film in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three that there were about just under four

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand of these images they could trace

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Speaker 1: on the Internet, and by twenty twenty four there were

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Speaker 1: four point two billion. YEA, So it is a sickness

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Speaker 1: and it is at risk of being a runaway train,

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Speaker 1: and it is another one of these things when we

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Speaker 1: think about industries that don't take human safety and wellness seriously.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of work to do in these

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Speaker 1: tech spaces there, and I do think it's deeply connected

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Speaker 1: to the kind of work you're talking about doing in

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Speaker 1: the entertainment industry, whether it's influencing or television or films,

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Speaker 1: social media.

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00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: And I.

654
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: Really think about how I know it can feel overwhelming,

655
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: and I can imagine some of the folks at home

656
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: being like, holy, like this is scary. I feel like

657
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: I am going to tout, I'm going to desensitize a bit.

658
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: And something that really brings it back to right here,

659
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: front and center me and you for me, is a

660
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: moment in your own history that you mentioned earlier, because

661
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: when you turned eighteen, when you actually had your own

662
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 1: legal agency, you were also suffering from, as you said,

663
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: an assortment of eating disorders, and I know you had

664
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: checked yourself into a hospital. You've spoken about this really beautiful.

665
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 1: You talk about it in your story, and that your

666
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: team still wanted you to be auditioning when you were

667
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: clearly so sick, but people were profiting off of you sick,

668
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: so they didn't necessarily want to prioritize your wellness. It's

669
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: a painful story for you. It's a painful story as

670
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: a person who cares about you to hear. And I

671
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: think about how it's so representative of the way so

672
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: many people get treated. You know, you're working for the machine,

673
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: so the machine's just going to keep working you. How

674
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: did you how did you know you needed help in

675
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: that moment? How did you choose to help yourself? Because

676
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: I wonder if any of those personal aha moments in

677
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: time during that period might really resonate for somebody who's

678
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: wondering how to help themselves.

679
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: I will admit that my decision to get help initially

680
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 3: was only so that I could stay on the hamster

681
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: wheel and win the race. It hadn't yet clicked that

682
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 3: maybe I didn't need to be on that wheel at all,

683
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: or that the wheel was sort of a false game

684
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: to be playing a fall race to be running.

685
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 2: However, I do.

686
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: Think that deep, deep, deep, deep deep within there was

687
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 3: some sense of dissonance between having a certain set of

688
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 3: values when I was not in front of anyone performing,

689
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: when I was not on the job clocking in and out,

690
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: but I was just alone, that kind of you know,

691
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: spiritual center, core, however you would define it, where those

692
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 3: values felt like they could not safely be integrated into

693
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 3: the rest of my life because they would ruffle feathers,

694
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: they would burn bridges, they would disrupt the flow of production.

695
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: And so I thought, well, I guess we just all

696
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 3: have to play dress up and wear a costume whenever

697
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 3: we go outside, and then at home is where we

698
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: just get to be this more whole sense of and

699
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 3: something maybe subconsciously clicked where you know, perhaps I saw

700
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Speaker 3: someone else who seemed to be living out their their

701
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 3: fullness in.

702
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: Public, but I've recognized that.

703
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 3: I actually have to learn how to be in this

704
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 3: kind of integrity in every room I walk into, and

705
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: it is going to.

706
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: Have a different.

707
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 3: Impact on people than I'm accustomed to, because, yeah, if

708
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 3: you're socialized as a person who you feel like you

709
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 3: need to be compliant, then it's gonna feel really uncomfortable

710
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 3: and unusual to start using your voice.

711
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: Even in small ways.

712
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: I'm talking tiny ways, like just saying actually, I do

713
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: have a preference where we eat for lunch as a group.

714
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, not just like hey, boss, you

715
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: need to do this differently for the company, but like, hey,

716
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 3: he actually I am in back to pack calls. Could

717
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 3: we do this fifteen minutes later? You know that can

718
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: feel terrifying for some of us who don't want to

719
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 3: be a burden X Y Z. And so I think

720
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 3: you know, in rehab, in seeking help, I realized there's

721
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: a deeper desire here to not only collect all of

722
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: these disparate pieces within me and find some semblance of

723
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 3: wholeness just to feel like I can be intact, but

724
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 3: also now my work, my opportunity, my joy, is to

725
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 3: learn how to be this whole integrat itself in every

726
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 3: room and see how that can actually shift in atmosphere.

727
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 3: How you know, if you're led by wholeness, how can

728
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 3: wholeness start informing the way your team collaborates together? How

729
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 3: can wholeness be expressed in policy reform? And so I

730
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 3: do think it's critical if you're on this path to

731
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 3: really decipher what values are spearheading your transformation. If it's

732
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: going to be fear, if it's going to be hatred

733
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: of the other, if it's going to be just your

734
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 3: own sense of justice but not factoring in everyone else's, yikes,

735
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 3: we're going to create from those ideas. And you know,

736
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 3: I don't know that those are the outcomes I personally

737
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 3: want to see anymore. But if you're led by wholeness

738
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: and and you know, we'll say love as a broad

739
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 3: term for now and collective liberation, et cetera, then then

740
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: that starts to you know, imbue every conversation you have. Yeah,

741
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 3: and it's a slow for me, it was maybe for

742
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: some it's just kind of like wake up and everything's different.

743
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 3: For me, it's been a really slow and steady process.

744
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 3: I think we're now in a position where we really

745
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 3: would love to microwave our transformation. We would love to

746
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 3: feel better instantly. We'd love to see the world change overnight.

747
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 3: And I hope that people listening can realize this is

748
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 3: all going to happen one step at a time. So please,

749
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: if you're waiting for that big, perfect overnight switch, that

750
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: might stop us from taking that small step in our

751
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 3: healing journey today, and if it feels overwhelming, this is

752
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: where we get to just keep breaking it down into

753
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: smaller steps until the next step feels doable. And that

754
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 3: next step might only be becoming willing to be willing

755
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: to be willing to try something differently.

756
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love.

757
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 3: I think hopefully there's something in there that resonates absolutely.

758
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I can speak for myself. It

759
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: certainly does for me. You know. I think about this

760
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: moment I had when I had to change everything and

761
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: I had been taking these small steps, and I will

762
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: never forget looking at someone at work and essentially saying like,

763
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: what the is it going to take? And this person

764
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: who I'd been going to and going to and going

765
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: to and going to, was like, I had no idea

766
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: you were this upset, And I thought, whoa I've been.

767
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: I have been coming to you with things that are

768
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: so hard for me they feel nearly impossible, and you

769
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: think I'm having like a slightly off day like hello,

770
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: And I think there's some sort of reckoning there was

771
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: for me, at least with Oh, I've I've been so

772
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: conditioned for my whole career to be a good girl

773
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: and to be a good performer, and to put everyone

774
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: else's needs first, that when I think I'm putting my

775
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: mind needs first, no one even notices WHOA and the

776
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: chasm between what felt so hard for me? Could we

777
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: go here for lunch? Example? If you will didn't even

778
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: register for anybody else. And I think I don't say

779
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: that to be dismissive of myself or anyone else's journey.

780
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: I actually say it to say you will be doing

781
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: the work and healing in ways that other people might

782
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: not even notice, and it will be so major for you,

783
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: and to begin is what everyone deserves. And so I

784
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 1: love listening to you talk about it because you are

785
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: so far into this journey. You have amassed certifications and

786
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: mental health, you have written this gorgeous book. You can

787
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: speak about it from a perspective that I think can

788
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: inspire other people people to begin their journey, and I,

789
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: for one, am grateful that you've done it. I am

790
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: curious about something, and I realize I've never asked you this.

791
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: I've thought a lot about how you're still doing so

792
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: much voice work, which is amazing because you have the

793
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: most amazing voice. But it struck me during this conversation

794
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, is that a space where you can

795
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: still perform but it doesn't it doesn't have to be

796
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: attached to your face or your body, or your age

797
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: or your weight or your dancing or whatever. Is that

798
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: actually just where you feel the most free as an artist?

799
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: Is that why that's a space you still really enjoy

800
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: embodying in the traditional entertainment world.

801
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: Do you think that's a great question.

802
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you a very messy answer.

803
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: Okay, I like messy.

804
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

805
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 3: The messy answer is it's multi pronged. One, yes, I

806
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 3: actually have had historically and presently really positive experiences in

807
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 3: the booth as a voiceover actor. And two, where we

808
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 3: start to get messy is I'm also pursuing these new

809
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 3: professions in you know, the mental health field, and I

810
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 3: don't have a steady stream of income yet totally, so practically,

811
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: I'm still on several animated shows and that is one

812
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 3: revenue source while I figure out what my next steps are.

813
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 3: And three contracts are contracts, so I am legally obligated

814
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 3: to fulfill some of these characters gratefully. Like I mentioned,

815
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 3: I do enjoy the process and I think it I

816
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: think the voiceover community in my experience is very different

817
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 3: from folks who work on camera in that I've found

818
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:11,919
Speaker 3: that it's, you know, less egocentric, it's more collaborative energetically

819
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 3: when you're in the booth and it's you're spitballing back

820
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: and forth, and yeah, I think it's it also is

821
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 3: on a beautiful note, It's been a space where I

822
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 3: get to express silliness and a lot of the other

823
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 3: parts of my life now, especially running a mental health company,

824
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 3: can feel quite serious, yes, or even solemn, and so

825
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 3: experiencing joy and sort of an antidote to all of

826
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 3: these other things going on has been I think a

827
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 3: source of of you know, healthy, positive, you know occupational. Yeah,

828
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: it's like it's a positive vocation.

829
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: I love that.

830
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: Artistically, though, I.

831
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: Just don't know down the road where I stand on

832
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 3: how much I want I want to be on the

833
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 3: performer side, I'm not sure.

834
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, and.

835
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 1: I think that's okay. But I also love that you've

836
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: found this thing that feels good for you and generative

837
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: for you, and it also strikes me as lovely for

838
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: you because, as you said, you get to play, You

839
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: get to reparent your inner child, and that kid didn't

840
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: really get to play at work in the ways everyone

841
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: watching the edited episode assumed she did. So, I think

842
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: for you, it's just really beautiful to know that in yourself,

843
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: in your embodied self, in your adult self, in the

844
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: human you are, you know, who is out and proud

845
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: and studying and wise and all the things. The kid

846
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: you look back on is having a different experience now

847
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: with you. And I think that's I don't know, as

848
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: a person who roots for you, I really I like

849
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: that for you.

850
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 3: Thank you, yeah, thank you for noticing. And yeah, we

851
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 3: just had Phineas and for release a new season for

852
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 3: Disney Channel and Disney Plus and that group of people

853
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 3: in particular. Yeah, like I've known them for actually twenty

854
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:28,959
Speaker 3: years of my life.

855
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: That's so cool.

856
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 3: So and I joke with them like, you're actually the

857
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 3: most stable, inconsistent relationship I've ever experienced. So it is

858
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 3: a it is a spot of beauty. It's a very

859
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 3: bright spot in my life at the moment.

860
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: I love that. How how do you feel now? I

861
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: mean precipice of the book coming out. I know there's

862
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: nerves about that, but just in life, how are you doing?

863
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 3: I feel more and more okay with who I'm not,

864
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 3: and more and more an acceptance of the fact that

865
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 3: my path is not going to look the way I

866
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 3: once thought it would, and more and more eager to

867
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 3: plug into local community, non industry related efforts to just

868
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 3: look out for people, take care of each other, share meals, simplify.

869
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 2: My lifestyle.

870
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 3: I mean, it was already quite simple, but I just

871
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 3: I feel more and more at peace with, ironically, after

872
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 3: the book is out, being as unrecognizable as possible and

873
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 3: fading into obscurity as quickly as possible if the life

874
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 3: path allows for that. You know, if I need to

875
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 3: come forward and say things, I'll say things. But I

876
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 3: just feel more and more at ease with letting the

877
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 3: past go and saying I'm gonna, you know, walk this

878
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 3: walk of advocacy for a period of time. But I'm

879
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 3: also not going to glue myself to this soul mission

880
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 3: because I've got more to learn, I've got more to experience.

881
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 3: I'm entering my thirties, so I'm you know, I think

882
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 3: when this is out, I'll be newly thirty two or

883
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 3: close to it. And there's something just about aging that,

884
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 3: you know, shifts, It just shifts your orientation.

885
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 2: I've got nephews.

886
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 3: Now, who are the age I was when I started

887
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 3: working professionally. That's a profound thing to witness and go

888
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 3: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that I should have

889
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 3: known that none of that should have ever happened because they.

890
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: On the im being on a set.

891
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: Wow.

892
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, hard to fathom.

893
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just I think I think things are generally.

894
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 3: I just I want to feel more and more closely

895
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 3: connected to humanity and to community and to whatever it

896
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 3: takes for us to repair and reimagine a better world

897
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 3: for everyone. And I mean it's it sounds abstract, but

898
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:24,479
Speaker 3: I mean that in very like concrete, daily decision kind

899
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 3: of ways. Yeah, just feeling more embodied, more heart led

900
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 3: and finally, finally it's kind of scary for me because

901
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 3: it's new, but getting in touch with anger. Yikes, what

902
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 3: a powerful what a powerful and necessary process. Yeah, that

903
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 3: is really helping. Sorry I'm meandering now, but something I'm noticing.

904
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 3: You speak to things that happen in the industry but

905
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 3: happens everywhere.

906
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 2: The wage gap.

907
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 3: Yo. I was given presented an offer with some terms recently,

908
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 3: and I was like, this is actually absurd. I don't

909
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 3: I'm not even we're this is so unfair and like

910
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 3: it's not a livable wage, Like we know I can't

911
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 3: do this, but I'm realizing ten years ago, I wouldn't

912
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 3: have even noticed.

913
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: I would have been like, oh.

914
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 3: Wow, thank you, y'all take anything, And then you know,

915
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 3: I would go back to my budget and be like, Okay,

916
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 3: how many other jobs am I going to need to

917
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 3: get so that I can make ends meet?

918
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 2: And now I'm like, wait a.

919
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 3: Second, I can feel that something's not right, so I'm

920
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 3: more in touch with like, Okay, we've been at this

921
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 3: for you know, over two decades.

922
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 2: It's time for different terms.

923
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think there's nothing wrong with that. I

924
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: think there's nothing wrong with knowing your worth.

925
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 2: And we're talking fairness. Well, mean, that's it.

926
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: Basic fairness is actually should just be ground zero, right?

927
01:03:55,400 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: What would you say that? It's that kind of acknowledge

928
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: or perhaps that the pursuit of a new relationship with

929
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: certain emotions like anger that feels like you're work in

930
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,959
Speaker 1: progress as you go forward, because you've done so much

931
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: work that I'm looking at you in this moment going

932
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: like what do you kind of what do you feel like?

933
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: Is left?

934
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 3: Ll So then the first thing I need to do

935
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 3: is let you in on the rest of it, because

936
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 3: if I'm only showing you where the completed version, then

937
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 3: that's probably some work to do.

938
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Speaker 2: Actually, you'll see all of that in the book.

939
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 3: If you're talking about want to see a work in progress,

940
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 3: the mess is on full display because you don't hear

941
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 3: from the wise, contemplative self. You hear the psychological self

942
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 3: figuring things out in real time. And I would say, yes,

943
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 3: my current journey is negotiating anger and learning to steward.

944
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

945
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 3: It is around it is around worth, it is around

946
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 3: self trust, it is around anger as being an indicator

947
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 3: that something needs attention.

948
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 2: And I think it's it's also where I'm really presently

949
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 2: moving forward.

950
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to think, like I'm actually don't know

951
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 3: what comes after this book because it's sort of the

952
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 3: culmination of this, you know, first century of life and

953
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 3: first third of life maybe, and I'm kind of handing

954
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 3: it over to everyone and then saying I actually don't

955
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 3: have a plan from here on out. So that's exciting,

956
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 3: it's exciting and nerve wracking. And that's where I'm absolutely

957
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 3: a work in progress. I have no idea what happens

958
01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 3: after this.

959
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: I loved that for you.

960
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 3: I also don't know if the industry is going to

961
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 3: spite me, so.

962
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: There's not think so, I don't think so. I think. Look,

963
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: I think we are in a really watershed moment as people,

964
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: and I think bravery, particularly empathetic bravery, is what we need.

965
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Speaker 1: So I'm excited for you, and I'm excited for everyone

966
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: who gets to read the book. Congratulations, Yes, thank you,

967
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: and if you do read it, please read with care

968
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: and take your time because it covers a lot. Yeah,

969
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: and I would love to hear people's responses because this

970
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: is this, all of this, it's a communal act, like

971
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: we've got to do this together.

972
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 3: Can't do these things alone.

973
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: Preach it, my friend, preach it. Thank you, thank you

974
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: for coming today.