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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants hut. Let's Giants,

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Speaker 1: get my Giants, give me some job. Part of the

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Speaker 1: Giants Podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: Let's welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by Citizens the official bank of the

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Speaker 2: New York Football Giants.

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Speaker 1: John Schmelkes with you and.

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Speaker 2: One of our buddies, Paul Schwartz, who covers the Giants

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Speaker 2: from the New York Post, the senior reporter in the

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Speaker 2: Giants beat.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Paul, how are.

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Speaker 3: You hopefully I don't have a couple of senior moments

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Speaker 3: while we do this now. Senior is usually sign of respect.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is a sign of respect, absolutely I have.

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Speaker 2: I have great respect for Paul Schwartzka good, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise I want to ask John.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I think about six people canceled.

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Speaker 1: Three actually, but that's okay. I'm just kidding. Do you

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Speaker 1: feel like Bill Murray right now?

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Speaker 4: Do you understand the reference Groundhog Day? Is that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? That's where I was going.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't because I good because I don't either.

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Speaker 1: I'm that but that's the thing that people have said

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Speaker 1: to me.

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Speaker 3: Tell me why you mean the way this season has

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Speaker 3: gone just in terms of sitting sitting here with eight

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Speaker 3: games to go. Yes, but I didn't exceed it for

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Speaker 3: this season, right of course. After if you would have

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Speaker 3: told me this was last year, I would say, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a first year head coach.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna have growing pains.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a rough year, you know, before they

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Speaker 3: get this this this this operation, you know, up and run.

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Speaker 1: It's funny.

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Speaker 2: I just said that the Paul On on Big Blue

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Speaker 2: Kickoff on Wednesday, that this would have been a lot,

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Speaker 2: much a lot easier to accept if it happened last

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Speaker 2: year than this year because of what the expectations were

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Speaker 2: heading into the season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I mean Brian Dabels the reigning

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Speaker 3: NFL Coach of the Year. So you don't expect the

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Speaker 3: team to win nine games and maybe win two or

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Speaker 3: three without catastrophic things happening. There have been some catastrophic

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Speaker 3: things happening. But you know, Daniel Jones is now out

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Speaker 3: now for the rest of the season, right and we

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Speaker 3: know he missed three games with a neck injury. But

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Speaker 3: and even with all the injuries, there's been more bad

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Speaker 3: football and bad performances and maybe some bad decision making

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Speaker 3: and bad lucky bad, lucky, you know, those things. But

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Speaker 3: that that so I'm not going to say. You know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes you know, your quarterback goes down in you know,

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Speaker 3: like the Jets case or like when of any testaverity

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Speaker 3: at some point you know, goes down in week one

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Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, now we have to reshuffle everything

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Speaker 3: that did not happen with this team. It's been bad

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Speaker 3: from week one. Obviously we're going to you know, the

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Speaker 3: Giants are going to play the Cowboys this week, and

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Speaker 3: they started this whole ball rolling down the hill with

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Speaker 3: that forty to nothing lost, which you know, it was

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Speaker 3: forty to nothing, and then it was what twenty to

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Speaker 3: nothing the next week, So it was sixty to nothing

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Speaker 3: to start the season, right.

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Speaker 2: And at that point twenty eight nothing right against Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't a twenty eight nothing in that game before the

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Speaker 2: Giants came back?

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Speaker 4: Wrong about that.

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Speaker 3: I think it wasn't a twenty to nothing at halftime

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Speaker 3: and then Giants scored and then they scored twenty eight correct,

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Speaker 3: you know, So so I know, I know the Giants

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Speaker 4: The first six quarters.

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Speaker 3: Not ideal, and at that point you're thinking or I'm thinking,

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Speaker 3: And then they have that great comeback. Okay, orders restored

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Speaker 3: there one on one.

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Speaker 4: We know everything you know did not go well since then.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I don't think it's groundhog Day

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Speaker 3: because I thought the Giants could be a better team

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Speaker 4: Have it as good a record.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, easily, easily a couple of the bounce of the ball. Look,

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Speaker 3: Randy Bullock is now on the Giants, right he what

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Speaker 3: was the field goal forty six forty seven yards in

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Speaker 3: last year's season opener. Yeah, you know, kickers make that

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Speaker 3: eighty five percent of the time. So the Giants had

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Speaker 3: this great comeback and Brian Dable says, we're going for two,

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Speaker 3: just enough yards for a makeable field goal if he

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Speaker 3: heck knows how the season's going to go. So you know,

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Speaker 3: it's a lot of arbitrary things going on. But all

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Speaker 3: those close wins became some close losses this year, but

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's funny you think back to the Titans

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Speaker 1: Right where you have one play to think a.

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Speaker 2: Two point conversion, you make it, the opposing kicker misses

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Speaker 2: the field goal, you win the game. Against the Bills

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Speaker 2: this year, you have two opportunities inside the five yard line,

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Speaker 2: you fell on both, and your kicker misses an easier

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Speaker 2: field goal from thirty five yards out right, and then

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Speaker 2: got miss so that's actually two games you can fold

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Speaker 2: that the things that were going right last year in

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Speaker 2: critical situations that go back to the Jacksonville game where

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Speaker 2: the tackle and the guy at the one yard line

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Speaker 2: right Washington Terry McLaurin has that illegal formation penalty. The

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Speaker 1: They get called for a false start.

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Speaker 2: Right, All these little things that when wrong right last

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Speaker 2: year for the Giants just went wrong this year. Combined

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Speaker 2: with all the injuries a really tough schedule to start

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Speaker 2: the season, and it all kind of started with that

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Speaker 1: In Week one.

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Speaker 2: Right, everything was looking great until that block field goal,

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Speaker 1: I was like, wow, no, absolutely nothing is going right.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, so the way the Giants are gonna go

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Speaker 3: up three to nothing to start the season, right, instead,

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Speaker 3: they're losing seven to three with a.

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Speaker 4: Block field goal, losing seven nothing? Right, I'm sorry, seven nothing.

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Speaker 3: So that's a ten point swing that takes your left

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Speaker 1: It seems to be a mystery, but I would not

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Speaker 4: So he he was an ineffective kicker after that.

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Speaker 3: So you take out you know, you could make a

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Speaker 3: and you would. You would probably not win the argument

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Speaker 3: if I said that the two best players on the

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Speaker 2: Most consistent down to down, you pu dexter Lawrence and that.

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Speaker 2: But fine, two out of the three, let's say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean as far as far as they do

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Speaker 4: I mean Graham Gonna was a tremendous kise.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so right, you know, I mean, and no disrespect

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Speaker 3: in a ten point swing, they lost those two players.

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Speaker 3: But look, I mean, it's not all the Giants played

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Speaker 3: on the margins last year as well as you chronicle.

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Speaker 3: They just they just rose above those margins in more

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Speaker 3: no one looked at the Giants and said, I'm picking

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Speaker 3: them said I'm picking them to win finish in second place.

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Speaker 3: People did not believe the Giants were as good as there,

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Speaker 3: you know, make the playoffs and win a playoff game,

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Speaker 3: which is fine.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we spent twenty minutes on our pregame round preseason

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Speaker 2: roundtable talking about how much they've closed the gap with

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Speaker 2: Philly in Dallas, right, that was the whole basis of

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Speaker 3: But I but I still think most people thought there

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Speaker 3: you know, it's it's it's widened considerably, and you have

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Speaker 3: a quarterback issues. You know, look, it's it's it's it's

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Speaker 3: been a terrible turn of events. And and it's not

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Speaker 3: groundhog Day because last year was the interruption of this badness.

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Speaker 3: And you know, it's just it's just Look, it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be a long eight games coming, There's no question about it.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a long eight games starting Sunday at

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Speaker 2: And I think that's when people asked me that question,

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Speaker 2: which is why I posed it to you. I think

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Speaker 2: the feeling some people are getting is that this is

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Speaker 2: going to be similar to the Jake from and Mike

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Speaker 2: Glennon experience in the final six games.

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Speaker 4: Of twenty one.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sit here and say no, you know

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Speaker 3: I The thing is, Tommy DeVito has been here. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the summer. You know, From and and and Glennon.

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Speaker 1: Were Glenn was right, It was yeah, Glenn was.

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Speaker 3: I you know what, I quite frankly think Tommy DeVito

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Speaker 3: than Mike Glennon was. No, he might be Yeah, No,

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Speaker 3: I don't trom was, you know, overmatched and a terrific

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Speaker 4: But look, it's going to be very difficult, and.

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Speaker 3: It's and and and look the Giants. The interesting thing

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Speaker 3: is if I would ask you, and you know, I

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Speaker 3: know you would what you would say what you wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: But you know, if Daniel Jones does not get hurt

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Speaker 3: last week, does that game go completely down, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think they would have stabilized. Saquon was running well,

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Speaker 3: you know, but the Giants did not look good in

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Speaker 3: Daniel's quarterback, you know, his his first quarterback.

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Speaker 4: He looked rusty. Overthrow Jalen High a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: In the defense, frankly, it wasn't playing particularly.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not gonna sit here and say, well, Daniel's

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Speaker 3: in that game, they win that game. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: I don't believe that.

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Speaker 1: I think they have a better chance.

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Speaker 4: They definitely have a better chance.

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Speaker 1: But is it for sure?

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Speaker 3: No? No, So so you know a lot of things

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Speaker 3: have gone wrong, and and you know they get a

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Speaker 3: guy back now, Evan Neil is you know, Cam's back

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Speaker 3: and now he's out again. You know, who knows we'll

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Speaker 3: see him again. It did not from what Brian Dables

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Speaker 3: said today, it does not sound good.

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Speaker 2: He said week to week, and usually giants like to

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Speaker 2: the advantage of the team for the So for them,

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Speaker 2: they say he's pretty much definitely out this week.

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Speaker 4: Oh he's out this week. There's no question to me

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Speaker 4: when when a coach.

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Speaker 3: Says, when this coach says week to week, it's a month, Okay,

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Speaker 4: But that's you know, that's a coaching thing.

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Speaker 2: If I told you, Paul before the season started, knowing

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Speaker 4: It would be better than this, but it wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: I think it would be much better than two and seven.

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Speaker 2: Now all those guys were out. Now you want to

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Speaker 3: But yes, they had a hard schedule. Yes, I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: But look two and seven is two and seven no

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Speaker 3: Really good stuff that you've seen this year. Really it's

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Speaker 3: They did, and in fact that the Bills were struggling

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Speaker 3: to play the Raiders, right, Okay, that's not very exciting

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Speaker 3: Think you did, with the pressure off to we have

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Speaker 4: Well? I look the cliche we go game to game.

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Speaker 4: It's hard.

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Speaker 4: So I'm not you can't ignore the games.

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Speaker 4: Now look here, Look.

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Speaker 4: That's all. If the Giants look at this quarterback class.

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Speaker 3: You know I said, you know what I'm saying, and

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Speaker 3: There's a million of them, and and the years that

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Speaker 3: if the Giants will do all their scouting and and look,

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Speaker 3: Daniel should be ready to come back at the start

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Speaker 3: That's what he said. Yeah, and that's what he said.

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Speaker 4: The one thing is Dan you can go talk to.

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Speaker 4: So you know, it's a club.

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Speaker 3: You can have their ACL club and they can talk

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Speaker 4: Nobody wants to be a part of it, right, correct.

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Speaker 3: But look, these guys come back, you know, these guys

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Speaker 3: So look, they didn't think when you give a guy

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Speaker 3: complicates things. You know, if you have the second or

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Speaker 3: third or fourth pick, it'd be much better to take oh,

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Speaker 3: by the way, Marvin Harrison or the he's pretty good,

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Speaker 3: the best offensive lineman, or trade down to seven and

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Speaker 3: get an extra second round pick. You know, there's so

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Speaker 3: many things this team needs, and the thought process was, well,

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Speaker 3: quarterback were okay for a few years, you know, or

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Speaker 3: three years, and that's just not the case anymore. Not

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Speaker 3: just saying that Daniel is not the quarterback, but.

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Speaker 1: Or that they have to draft a quarterback. But now

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Speaker 1: here's the option.

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Speaker 4: They have to consider it. Okay, that's what I would say.

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Speaker 4: You know, have to Yeah, exu.

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Speaker 3: If they don't, you have to quarterback, they're insane, But

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Speaker 3: you have to consider it. Where two months ago that

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Speaker 3: would not have been something you would have considered.

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Speaker 2: dot com. All right, I guess we should talk about

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys game for a second. Poor Tommy DeVito, Like,

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Speaker 2: if there's one defense that I would not want a

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Speaker 2: rookie to face in his first NFL start. You know,

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Speaker 2: maybe it's the Browns, maybe the forty nine ers, but

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys are certainly in the top three. The defense

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Speaker 2: is gonna gonna have to play their rear ends off

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Speaker 2: because this Cowboys defense you saw in Week one, Paul

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Speaker 2: can can be a bear.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Look, I don't think I would want them to come

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Speaker 3: and face the Jets in his first start. No too,

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Speaker 3: No Jets two. That's fair, really good. I think de

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Speaker 3: Vito will will will. It will help him that he's

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Speaker 3: taking all the first team reps.

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Speaker 4: He is the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: He's not coming into a game. He's not you know, Okay,

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Speaker 3: let's go you know, next man in, let's.

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Speaker 1: Go that they can design a game plan specifically for him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now, look, any game plan is going to be to

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Speaker 3: get the ball out of his hand quickly, yes, which

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Speaker 3: which everybody knows. And we've seen that throughout the league

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Speaker 3: when these young quarterbacks come in.

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Speaker 4: And it's we're gonna run the ball.

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Speaker 3: Uh, We're gonna have a jet sweep receiver screen, get

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Speaker 3: the ball out sick one, and and and and.

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Speaker 4: The Cowboys are gonna know it. And the Cowboys are good.

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Speaker 3: I would think they're gonna basically say, we're gonna come

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Speaker 3: at you. And if you want to throw it over

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Speaker 3: our heads, throw it over our heads. You know what

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Speaker 3: I mean, you want you want, you know, you proved us,

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Speaker 3: mister DeVito that you can get the ball over our heads.

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Speaker 3: You know you have the time to do that, you know,

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Speaker 3: And will they will they will they throw Jalen Hiatt

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Speaker 3: a deep ball, you know, if they have the time. Yes,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, this, this is this has been a bad

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Speaker 3: match up up front for the Giants, you know for

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Speaker 3: a while a few years and what were there seven

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Speaker 3: sacks and the team number.

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Speaker 4: Of hurries in the first game? Check that it was?

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Speaker 3: It was, it was really bad. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, you know, you know Michael Parsons and DeMarcus

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Speaker 3: Lawrence and that crew.

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Speaker 4: But you know what, that's the breaks, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you know.

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Speaker 2: What seven sacks and uh, let's say twelve quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Quarterback kids, you know, I mean, I mean it, look,

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Speaker 3: Tommy DeVito can't go play. Let's say he played at

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Speaker 3: don Bosco, right, he played at don Bosco, right, so

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Speaker 3: he can you can't say, well, it'll be nice of

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Speaker 3: His first game was against Paramus.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't know who's their big rival.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure why not Para Burn Catholic.

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Speaker 1: I'm not big on the high.

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Speaker 3: School foll no offense to any of those fine programs.

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Speaker 3: This is what you get, you know what I mean. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So if it was a week later and he'd be

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Speaker 3: playing the Commanders, yeah, that'd be better. But it look,

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Speaker 3: it's it's it's it's a bad situation, and it's rough

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Speaker 3: and and and you want it, you want to earn

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Speaker 3: some money. You'd be Brian Dable and Mike Kafka, and

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Speaker 3: you said, they're going to design things that he does well.

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Speaker 3: And this is no knock against Tommy DeVito, but the

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Speaker 3: things he does well are going to be quick stuff

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Speaker 3: and everyone's.

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Speaker 4: Gonna know it's coming.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I would just tell Saquon Barkley to

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Speaker 3: get a good night's sleep, you know, the night before, because.

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Speaker 1: Cowboys run defense is not the best by the way.

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Speaker 4: They're kind of in the middle of the league, and

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Speaker 4: I understand, but you know what, they're going to stack

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Speaker 4: the box. They're gonna stack the box.

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Speaker 3: And and and you look, in an even game, you

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Speaker 3: can do that it's probably not gonna be an even

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Speaker 3: game for very long. And if you get down by

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Speaker 3: a lot, you know what, I I don't know if

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Speaker 3: they're going to take a lot of extreme measures in

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Speaker 3: this game of Giants, because you know, I don't think

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Speaker 3: they want to get Tommy debto you know, hurt, Paul.

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Speaker 2: See now, I'm thrilled that the eighteen people I tried

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Speaker 2: to get on cancer before I had.

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Speaker 3: Because I was such a ray of sunshine and in

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Speaker 3: saying how everything is going to be fine here.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Pierce, am I right or wrong?

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Speaker 2: He's a lot chipper than most of our callers have

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Speaker 2: been over the past three days.

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Speaker 1: I probably could see us for that hatter, Paul, good stuff,

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Speaker 1: my friend.

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Speaker 4: I've been hurt called a lot of things. Chipper is

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Speaker 4: not one of them.

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Speaker 2: Fall Shorts covers the Giants of the Year posts that

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Speaker 2: tell the folks about your Giants podcast too.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Oh yes, two former Giants. One of

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Speaker 3: them is the only kicker in NFL history to kick

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Speaker 3: two game winning field goals an overtime to lead.

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Speaker 4: His team to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: That'll be Lawrence Time's Lawrence Times. Brandon London is on

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Speaker 3: the podcast Blue Rush you can get it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Brandon Loona's on that now too.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that Brandon London is nice? Yes, is

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Speaker 4: off and on it? Yes? Who has a super Bowl

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Speaker 4: ring from two thousand and seven? Seven? Yes? So yes,

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Speaker 4: I you do not have any rings. I have a

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Speaker 4: wedding ring and I just celebrated.

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Speaker 1: My thirty third anivients congratulations.

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Speaker 4: So yes, you've made it.

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Speaker 1: You fool it for thirty three years.

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Speaker 4: This is the kind of ring you got to earn. Man. No,

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Speaker 4: it's true, this is not a practice squad ring.

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Speaker 3: But yes, a Blue Rush podcast and it's it's we're

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Speaker 3: struggling too, but it's you know, the perspective of two

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Speaker 3: former players is a really good way to do this

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Speaker 3: with me, you know it, we get take you inside

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Speaker 3: with these guys are.

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Speaker 1: Thinking Lawrence times must have been heaven.

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Speaker 2: With all the kicker talk over the last few weeks,

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Speaker 2: it's like LT is like finally I get the flex

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Speaker 2: like place kicker muzzles, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what, kicker you know what though, but the kicker

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Speaker 3: talk hasn't been great the last three weeks. That's also

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Speaker 3: you know, yes, he's he's pumping up Ram gonna know

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Speaker 3: what He's making those fifty three yarders, and the last

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Speaker 3: few weeks it has not been as pleasant for Lawrence

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Speaker 3: to break down these kicks.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're think Bullock or Kad York this week.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's the question, isn't it. Yeah, Well you've

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Speaker 4: brought up kickers, so that's the question.

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Speaker 3: I think. Well, it was Bullock last week. Why wouldn't

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Speaker 3: it be the Bullock can get older in the last week.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Kad York beats mout of practice this week.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, So I'm asking you.

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Speaker 3: I'm firmly in the bullet camp this week.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, bullockman, bullet right here.

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Speaker 2: The Giants Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, the

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Speaker 2: official back of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody,