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Speaker 1: but this is a preview of kind of how I'll

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Speaker 1: you can't take over. Now. I guess that that's me

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Speaker 1: high Yep, it's me. It's Christopher. What is that? What

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Speaker 1: is this episode about? Christopher? Is it about? No? This

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it also with me is Garrison and Trean

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Speaker 1: We got there. We've we've've gotten through the introduction. Now

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Speaker 1: we can get to a conspiracy theory that's been like

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Speaker 1: all over Twitter, but not kind of in the usual

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Speaker 1: And that is this whole thing where an enormous number

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Speaker 1: was all like, um, I don't know, uh anime tip

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Speaker 1: Like okay, well, I alway skip ahead a slight bit

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Speaker 1: Like I I know, oh boy, well this is again

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Speaker 1: But like you can't, you can't have that kind of

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Speaker 1: now you've convinced the third of India that there's a

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Speaker 1: high level leaders or whatever. Like it's nonsense, like this

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Speaker 1: is this is like pure inside baseball ship for like

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Speaker 1: like people who are like really committed, like Chinese dissident

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Speaker 1: what pads. However, what happens next is so people start

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Speaker 1: kind of picking up on it, and in particular there's

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Speaker 1: a person of Jennifer zang Zeng, who has like two

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand Twitter followers. Um starts, she starts posting this

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Speaker 1: video that claims to be p l A military vehicles

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Speaker 1: heading to Beijing on September twenty two. And this is

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Speaker 1: like ghost viral. UM. So yeah, I mean, I mean

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Speaker 1: give us three options. One footage, it's footage from a

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Speaker 1: video game. Three video game, let's think, let's think, you know,

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Speaker 1: so I I actually think this is real military footage.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's actually kind of recent. It's just that,

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Speaker 1: like it's really easy in China to just like look

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Speaker 1: at a road and see a military trip. Option three,

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Speaker 1: it's footage of some fucking like tank on the road

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Speaker 1: in China. I'm gonna take it was just like armored cars,

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Speaker 1: which is like I think that like like I just

447
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Speaker 1: moved troops around. I just did a road trip up

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Speaker 1: to northern Washington for a Parker conference and nerd I know,

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Speaker 1: and we we we passed three military helicopters flying this

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Speaker 1: guy we passed like we we we passed like two

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Speaker 1: uh like a troop carriers, we passed a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of military equipment. I'm not gonna fill then be like

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Speaker 1: they're invading Oregon, like like what no, like this this

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Speaker 1: is this is a thing. Like if you take one

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Speaker 1: thing out of this episode, is that any time someone

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Speaker 1: says that they are seeing true movements, it is always

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Speaker 1: alive that this is a Houston dream Hong Kong because

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Speaker 1: everyone was like terrified the army was gonna show up,

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Speaker 1: and like every two days there'd be another videos alone

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Speaker 1: like there's an army conflict moving into every It's always fake,

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Speaker 1: it's never real. It's like the only time it's ever

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Speaker 1: real is if there's actual shooting, Like if there's a

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Speaker 1: literal war going on, maybe well, and it's never real.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna know when it's real. It's also if you

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Speaker 1: want to look about at times, because there are times

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Speaker 1: where people do osent on military movements and it's meaningful.

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Speaker 1: A good example would be the months that led up

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Speaker 1: to the invasion of Ukraine, in which case you were

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Speaker 1: able to clearly show here is satellite footage three months

470
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Speaker 1: ago of this place from the air and here is

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Speaker 1: it now, and there's like a million more guys. They're

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Speaker 1: clearly something is going on, and we can show this

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Speaker 1: pattern repeating in a bunch of areas, right, And this

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Speaker 1: is this is a very different thing from the thing

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Speaker 1: that goes viral on Twitter. Is someone will just post

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Speaker 1: a video of it and if so, and if what's

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Speaker 1: happening is they're posting a video of some military looking trucks,

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Speaker 1: that person is and that's all it is. Nine percent

479
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Speaker 1: at the time, that person is full of shit. Yeah

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Speaker 1: it's And this is this is like one of the

481
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Speaker 1: most common patterns of just like weird bullshit conspiray stuff.

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Speaker 1: Is this stuff people like love this. Again, the thing

483
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Speaker 1: that's happening to open source intelligence is the thing that

484
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Speaker 1: happens to everything cool that comes on the end. You

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Speaker 1: have this, you have this, This thing is figured out

486
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Speaker 1: that is made possible because of new technology. People do

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Speaker 1: really rad ship and in the case of O Sin,

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Speaker 1: it's like, prove that the Russian government shot down in

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Speaker 1: h seventeen over fucking Ukraine, and um, you know, solve

490
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Speaker 1: all of these war crimes being committed in different areas

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Speaker 1: by figuring out exactly who the perpetrators were and where

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Speaker 1: they were committed in all this ship based off of

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Speaker 1: like sketchy video footage, and then the thing goes viral

494
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Speaker 1: and elements of the aesthetics of it are taken by

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Speaker 1: people who just want to spread bullshit um or in

496
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Speaker 1: some cases who think they're actually doing real research and

497
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: they're just dumb, and you know, then then you you

498
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: get to this point where kind of this thing that

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Speaker 1: was pretty wild and pretty um, pretty free for a

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Speaker 1: while has to there's a degree to which it has

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Speaker 1: to become professionalized so that people can know who is

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Speaker 1: full of shit and who is not, and like who

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Speaker 1: has a track record and who doesn't. UM And I'll

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Speaker 1: go back to in terms of like how you can

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Speaker 1: tell if something is real osent kind of the the

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Speaker 1: the earliest big case study of like ocent researchers breaking

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Speaker 1: something is proving that the Russian government shot down MH seventeen,

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Speaker 1: this Malaysian air flight over Ukraine when the Russians were

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Speaker 1: blaming the Ukrainians for it, and the way they did

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Speaker 1: it is there were pictures in the wreckage of the

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Speaker 1: aircraft that were taken numerous ones that showed pieces of

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Speaker 1: the missile. Some of those pictures had numbers on them.

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Speaker 1: All weaponry, military grade weaponry has serial numbers and ship

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Speaker 1: and using those serial numbers, people were able to track

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Speaker 1: it back to the Buck missile battery that the mistil

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Speaker 1: had been on. And because the Buck missile battery also

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Speaker 1: has like numbers and ship and you can trace its progress,

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Speaker 1: they figured out what base had originated at. And then

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Speaker 1: using a mix of like videos civilians had taken and

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Speaker 1: like other stuff, they were able to kind of trade

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Speaker 1: the path of this Buck missile as it left Russia

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Speaker 1: and entered Ukraine and then found it in a village

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Speaker 1: like a video evidence that just some taxi driver was

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Speaker 1: literally a guy who had like a fucking car camera

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Speaker 1: on and he just uploaded footage from like driving around town.

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Speaker 1: You see in this town next to where the plane

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Speaker 1: was shot down, the Buck missile launcher that has the

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Speaker 1: missile that shot down MH seventeen driving through that town

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Speaker 1: the day that the plane is shot down. It's like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: well there you go, and and and again. It's the

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Speaker 1: thing in terms of like how to tell if something

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Speaker 1: is valid ocent. You can track all of that back

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00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: every stage of it makes sense. Every stage of it

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00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: is repeatable to a lay person. And um, and and

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Speaker 1: if they're good, they're gonna demonstrate their work as they

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Speaker 1: tell this as they like show. Here's the steps that

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Speaker 1: I took. Um, they're never gonna just say. Here's a

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Speaker 1: video of two army vehicles. Look troop movements. You know. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be getting into who she is after these ads.

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Speaker 1: O oh. Um. You know, when I'm thinking about shooting

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Speaker 1: down civilian airliners, I wish I had gold in my basement.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering how we're gonna be. It came around

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Speaker 1: next year we're launching our first tribute sche exclusively using

544
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Speaker 1: gold as the projectile and the the end. The end mission,

545
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Speaker 1: by the end is to set up next to the

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Speaker 1: airport and shoot down as many planes as possible using

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Speaker 1: the Gold tribute Garrison Garrison Davis threatening international air travel.

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Speaker 1: I hope your passport comes in soon, buddy, Before about

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Speaker 1: this in the State Department. Here's here's the bads. I

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00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: just got my my gold purchase flag. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what's going on, but it's not letting me buy anymore.

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Speaker 1: So I think they're on to me. Wow, Um, yeah,

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00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: that's that's on. Listeners. We need you to just buy

554
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: all of the gold you can and mail it to

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00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: Garrison so that Garrison can fight climate change with his

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Speaker 1: gold powered anti aircraft catapult. So Chris, how's it good? Okay?

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00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: So okay. So the thing that also should include people

558
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: in like that something was going wrong is if literally

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Speaker 1: any of the people who were reatween Jennifer zan had

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00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: like literally just googled her name because it's okay, So

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00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: if you if you do this, what you find out

562
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: is that she is a self proclaimed human rights activists

563
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Speaker 1: and journalist who writes for like really weird right wing

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00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: outlets of Japan and also right for the Epoch Times. Now,

565
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: finally we could pull back the curtain and reveal what

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00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: has been going on this entire time, which is that

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00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: and then this is, yeah, what what's actually going on

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Speaker 1: here is that Jennifer Zang is part of the Fallen Gong,

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Speaker 1: which is like a very very weird right wing Chinese cult.

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Speaker 1: She was like like she had to leave China because

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Speaker 1: you went to write a book about them, like this,

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Speaker 1: this whole thing has been a food falling Gong off

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Speaker 1: thew there we go back, Yeah, okay, good, So yeah, okay,

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00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: so people who don't know what the fallon Gong is

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Speaker 1: there they were, okay, so it's the thing that kind

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Speaker 1: of emerged out of a bunch of these sort of

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Speaker 1: like meditation practices. But in late eighties and nineties, like

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Speaker 1: the Falling Gong, it turns into this like this full

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Speaker 1: scare will agist cult. That's like and as as as

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Speaker 1: the CCP like increasingly sort of represses them, they become

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Speaker 1: like increasingly anti communist. Um you've they're they're like literally

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Speaker 1: like you cannot be a Chinese person in the US

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Speaker 1: and not running too these people fucking everywhere they'll just

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Speaker 1: like march through China town. I mean there's billboards for

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Speaker 1: their fucking music show thing like everywhere around fucking where

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Speaker 1: I live, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah that they have.

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Speaker 1: They have a show called Shen You and like I'm

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00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: betting most yeah that's yeah, that's the China before communism,

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Speaker 1: ye yeah, and everywhere everywhere words it is. The actual

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Speaker 1: show is wild. Yeah, yeah, they have they have a

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Speaker 1: huge network in the U S. And like the actual

592
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Speaker 1: thing that it is, it's like it's mostly like China

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Speaker 1: for companies and the actual things this is weird combination

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Speaker 1: of like half as Buddhism and Taoism and then like

595
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Speaker 1: absolutely insane anti evolution ship like a giant Christian Buddhism

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Speaker 1: as well. It's like this, there's a whole bunch of weirds.

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Speaker 1: It's not just like it's a bigger well, it's it's

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Speaker 1: more Buddhist, but like, yeah, it's it's it's very it's

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Speaker 1: very it's it's a very very weird cult thing. And

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Speaker 1: like the Times, yeah, the fascist newspaper. Yeah, although weirdly,

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Speaker 1: weirdly the Epoch Times. Okay, so this is this is

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Speaker 1: a part of the story that's very odd, which is

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Speaker 1: that I'm about sure at that original so so the

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Speaker 1: original account that did this, that um that did the

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Speaker 1: original conspiracy, that the New Highland Vision thing. It was

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Speaker 1: like a pretty new account and had a bunch of

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Speaker 1: followers and it just vanished, and there were a bunch

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Speaker 1: of other accounts, like tiny accounts that were also New

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Speaker 1: Highland Visions. I'm about eight sure, but this is that

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Speaker 1: that was a fall and gong thing. But weirdly, the

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Speaker 1: Epoch Times doesn't really touch this. It's it's it's, it's

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Speaker 1: it's very weird. Um, they're like, I'm gonna read a

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Speaker 1: passage from from the Epoch Times, and it's like the

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Speaker 1: epot Times, as far as you talk about it, are

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Speaker 1: citing x Indian officials talking about it, but like here here,

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Speaker 1: here's a pack. Here's like a quote from a passage

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Speaker 1: of like the thing they're writing about, like a potential

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Speaker 1: like stuff like okay Yang noted in this article that

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Speaker 1: Lee was promoted to Commander of Northern Theater Command in

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Speaker 1: nineteen sorry in two thousand seventeen by g and that

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Speaker 1: Lee led the formation of flags in the military parade

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Speaker 1: on the anniversary marketing the CCPs takeover of China, which

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Speaker 1: shows that she values him. Like this is just like

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Speaker 1: the most boring, asked China watchers ship I've ever seen,

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Speaker 1: Like that the Epoch Times didn't like cover this as

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Speaker 1: like like they they didn't do the like the thing

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Speaker 1: that all the rest of all people were doing, which

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Speaker 1: is this sort of like oh my god, there's a coup,

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Speaker 1: Like they just that kind of makes sense because if

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Speaker 1: they're on the inside in any way, they kind of

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Speaker 1: know it's bullshit, so they don't want to kind of

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Speaker 1: ruin some of their reputation at least in like the

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Speaker 1: far right in the States, So it makes sense that

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Speaker 1: they would only cover it in the extent of them

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Speaker 1: quoting like other people, so that they're actually not actually

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Speaker 1: giving their kind of definitive opinion on it. Yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: And I think also because I mean think, I think

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Speaker 1: the thing is that they also knew that this thing

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Speaker 1: has limited shelf life because the moment that she should

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Speaker 1: being reappears in public, everyone knows this bullshit, yep. But

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Speaker 1: before then. So the new version of this of this

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Speaker 1: conspiracy codest is around like four things. One is the

643
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: sort of military convoys going to Beijing thing there too,

644
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Speaker 1: there's I guess there's five because there's also technically that

645
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: there's there's the image of the explosion that they claim

646
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: is in Beijing that's like not in Beijing, it was

647
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: from like seven years ago. Um, there's there's the they're

648
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: the big The big one is there's this image going

649
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: around that is like partially it's fake, and then people

650
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: try to do on Stana and it sucks. Um is

651
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: they there's this thing that that's like Beijing has canceled

652
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: six it's flights and trains, and there's like there's the

653
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: original pictures of it are fake, right, And then people

654
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: try to go on flight trackers to like check if

655
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: it's happening, but they don't know how to use flight trackers,

656
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: so they look at the planes are like, oh my god,

657
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: has been canceled. If you look at the actual map,

658
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: there's just a bunch of planes over Beijing, which is

659
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: the thing you would expect there to be happening. And

660
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: they were like and it was one of those normal

661
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: things where like like the actual thing that was happening

662
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: was there were there were some cancellations, but like that's

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00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: because flights get canceled. Yeah, Like it was just completely

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Speaker 1: normal flight cancelation stuff or like it wasn't even like

665
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: assistically significant number of which is regular flight cancelations. And

666
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: then like planes that had landed, but people were being

667
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: like they were canceled. It's like no, like they got there,

668
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: you know. So that happened. There was a lot of

669
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: people trying to like do research stuff and just failing. Um,

670
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: there's there's this whole thing about she's being like missing

671
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: this really important military meeting, which like he actually he

672
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: genuine only wasn't there, but he wasn't there because he

673
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: was quarantining and he like sent he sent like a

674
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: message to its interesting because the like the Epoch Times

675
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: actually reports on that, like that that passage that I

676
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: read about, like the weird the like people trying to

677
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: figure out who's holding a flags you get promoted like

678
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: that that that's about that meeting. Um, but yeah, and

679
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: then then the last thing, it's just like where is

680
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: she jumping like blah blah blah blah. If he's fine,

681
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: why isn't this stuff Like it's it's the especially the

682
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: flights and the convoy stuff like starts spreading like wildfire

683
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: and the thing that happens that like this thing should

684
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: have died, like there shouldn't have been enough stuff to

685
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: keep it going. But it hit b JP Twitter, which

686
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: is like so like so the b j P is

687
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: just basically like it's it's the fascist party that controls

688
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: India there like like really fanatical like Hindu extremist right wingers, Um,

689
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: they hate Muslims. They suck there, Like I I would

690
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: I would argue I think there's a decent argument for

691
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: this that this is the closest thing to like a

692
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: conventional twenty century fascist party that exists on Earth. We've

693
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: talked about Theong and the and the epic times on

694
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: here before or at least on pastards. I know, I've

695
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: talked about them a decent amount of christ you have

696
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: you have, Yeah, they're kind of they're kind of one

697
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: of the one of the recurring characters. Um yeah. But

698
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: but what what's what's interesting here is is that one

699
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: of their ops, like it just the op doesn't really

700
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: go towards sort of like American right wing Twitter. It

701
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: goes towards Indian right wing Twitter, which that which which

702
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: is notable. Yeah yeah, well and and the reason I

703
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: think this is a lot of this is happening is that, like, so,

704
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: do you have everyone number a couple of years back

705
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: when like a bunch of Indian and Chinese soldiers like

706
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: be chartered to death in like the mountains with sticks.

707
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: It was pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, So like this is

708
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: like a thing that there's there's been border disputes between

709
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: China and India, like since India was created. Basically like, um,

710
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: they fought like okay, the the war that people want

711
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: to talk about the least in the nineties two Sino

712
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: Indian War, where Mao just kind of like invaded a

713
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: bunch of India and just like absolutely kicked the ship

714
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: out of the Indian Army. And this has been a

715
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: sort of like there's this sort of like a recurring

716
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: in like Indian nationalist like bug bear thing where like

717
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: I mean, when when border attentions flare up, like the

718
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: India people, you get a bunch of like really terribly

719
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: animated things of like an Indian soldier with a giant

720
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: staff like beating the shout of a dragon or something.

721
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: This is just sort of like something that happens on

722
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: like Indian right wing Twitter and Jordan Paterson ship. Yeah, literally,

723
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: like it's it's really funny because you you get two

724
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: of the like absolutely funniest Like you get the sort

725
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: of like the Chinese like wolf warrior like accounts and

726
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: the like b JP people going at it, and it's

727
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: just unbelievably funny to watch because they're too like two

728
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: of the most like absolutely psychotic, like insane nationalists in

729
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: the world. You just you just gonna watch them fight

730
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: for a bit and it's it's a good time. Unfortunately,

731
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: like so these guys pick it up and it rapidly

732
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: like okay, one of the things like that there's the

733
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: right wing Indian astrologer predicted that he was going to

734
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: get overthrown stopping. That's that's one of the worst as ever. Wait,

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00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: that's kind of interesting to me. That's kind of interesting

736
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: a right wing Indianogy's there's a lot of people who

737
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: are into astrology, and specifically a lot of that is

738
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: very influential in the RSS, which is kind of the

739
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: Indian fascist movement that is backing Mody, who's the guy

740
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: who runs the country right now, who's yeah, it's it's

741
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: not it's not weird that that that that's happened. Given

742
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: the context of Indian politics, it's not surprising to put

743
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: it sucks. It does suck. It's for sure sucks. We

744
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: can say that for certain. I wonder what sign he

745
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: is am? I right, guys, fucking liberals. The energy actually

746
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: so superbar in some Swamy who was a guy who

747
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: was this guy was a six term b JP MP,

748
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: he was a he was a this man was a

749
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: government minister. At one point starts tweeting about this whole

750
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: thing and then like it just it's just like this

751
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: thing just like goes through the actual Indian media sphere

752
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: like fucking wildfire. Um that the z News, which is

753
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: an outlet founded by the deceased right wing media like

754
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: in Indian media billionaire Supross Chandra, who rest and Pissed

755
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: by the way died in August, runs a story called

756
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: China Coup Beijing hiding something big jij and ping in

757
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: deep trouble what rumors suggest, Like The fucking Economic Times,

758
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: this is the second largest English language business paper in

759
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: the world, runs a story titled quote Chinese President ge

760
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: removed from power in a coup. Here's what we know

761
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: so far is nuts. Like, like I mentioned this in

762
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: the beginning, like what part of part of the reason

763
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: this goes viral is that Republic Media network like like

764
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: like probably India's largest he the network is just just

765
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: runs with the fucking like runs with it as a

766
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: story and well it's yeah, it's like it's like there,

767
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: I guess the way I would describe it's like they

768
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: don't like Fox News has like a really really elaborate,

769
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: like like system because they've been doing this for ages, right,

770
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: they have a very very elaborate system for like running

771
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: like running a dumb thing from Twitter like and turning

772
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: it into like turning into like a package story. Uh

773
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: that this is not what's happening here. They are just

774
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: like like live reporting from Twitter. And I think this

775
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: is I don't know, like I think it's like it's

776
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a degree of laziness that like you

777
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: see this in American journalism a lot too, where like

778
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: people just literally report like report Twitter like things that

779
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: happened on Twitter like this. This this is how. This

780
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: is how like goblin mode became a thing. Like there's

781
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: a lot of stories that are just it's just linking

782
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: to Twitter and they're basically doing this. And part of

783
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: the everything that's going on here is that, like you know,

784
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: so like Indian media has just become increasingly right wing

785
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: over the past decade, and they've gotten like increasingly more

786
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: fascist and when you and you know, the everything is

787
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: like fascist are incompety and like this is basically the

788
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: result of the sort of hollowing out of the Indian

789
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: media sphere is that these like Matt like he's absolutely Titanic,

790
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: Like cable and news networks are running this just like

791
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: like stuff that is so bullshit that like like the

792
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: fucking news Match, Like there was a news Max anchor,

793
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: Grant stitching Field, who was a news Max host like

794
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: has like a video about this, and the video both

795
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: starts and ends with him going this is probably bullshit,

796
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: and then in the middle there's like some incomprehensible thing

797
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: that he like half read an Epoch Times article didn't understand.

798
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 1: He starts ranting about like the general of the Northern

799
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: War who has just been relieved of his duties as

800
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: a direct quote, by the way, absolutely nonsense, like yeah,

801
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: but like even even those guys were kind of like

802
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: this is whack, Like we we can't run with this,

803
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: but that like the sort of like like the the

804
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: sort of like Indian fascist people are like so incredibly

805
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: desperate for just like any like like even more so

806
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: than the or can write and more are desperate for

807
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: just like here's an anti China story we can just

808
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: sort of like throw out because of the sort of

809
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: like increased tensions around the borders that exception, this stuff

810
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: just this stuff just explodes um and eventually you get

811
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: like that the Indian media outlets who are like still

812
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: actual like outlets who are like, hey, guys, this is nonsense,

813
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: like the Hindu stand Times and the Tribune and right

814
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: stories that are like really, like, are you guys kidding? Me, like,

815
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: come on, this is like obviously fake. Um yeah, and

816
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: and and and at certain point, like this whole thing

817
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: it's sort of like phase, but it has this there's

818
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: there's no there's. But then there's a sort of second

819
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: wave of it, which is there are a bunch of

820
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: people who are like weird like Chinese dissident quote unquote people,

821
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: but who aren't like who aren't following Gong, people who

822
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: like looked at this and we're like, this is obviously

823
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: a lie. I'm not going to jump in on this

824
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: lave of the bulshit. But then we're like, okay, I've

825
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: got a second layer of this. Um there there there's

826
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: there's someone Dr Lee mag Yan, who's like she's like

827
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: an old school like COVID bio like bioweapon like lab

828
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: truther person. Um. She was like okay, okay, no, no, no,

829
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: hold on, hold up, what's happening here? That this whole

830
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: discourse was a she jumping op to distract everyone from

831
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: the the alliance with Putin that he's going to announce

832
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: at the party Conquress. Yeah, and like like he needs

833
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: to like secretly cover up the fact that he's going

834
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: to create an alliance to destroy the free world. It's

835
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: just like it's it's it's a real it's a it's

836
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: a real circus of just like like all like you

837
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: gotta see like this whole sort of second and third

838
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: waves of media grifters like looking at the story of

839
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: being like, Okay, how do we spin this hop and

840
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: it's I don't know, like I I feel like that

841
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: this is a part of like this part of Twitter,

842
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: like the sort of like it's just this kind of

843
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: there's a kind of intersection of like weird Chinese cranks

844
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: and like China watch her Twitter, where you get a

845
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: bunch of these very weird things. But yeah, I've talked

846
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: about this, but like the thing's interesting to me is

847
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: it's like the sent to which the right doesn't pick

848
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: this up, Like this is the kind of thing like

849
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: you would expect like Alex Jones to be talking about,

850
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: and its best I can tell, Like Alex Jones doesn't

851
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: cover it, like fucking Bucky Barnes like even talks about

852
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: it like briefly like on like but like while Alex

853
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: is like walked out of the room, talks about it

854
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Speaker 1: for like five seconds and then stops, and I was like, really,

855
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Speaker 1: like Alex Jones isn't gonna cover this, like, uh, maybe

856
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Speaker 1: it's it's possible I missed part of it. Paying is

857
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: is if like less secure in power and can be

858
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Speaker 1: overthrown by other elements in the Chinese government, than China

859
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Speaker 1: is kind of less scary that. Alex Jones tens. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's so that's might be part of it. I know,

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Speaker 1: we'll give him some time. Maybe he'll get on this later. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. He's got a lot going on right now. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, Okay, So the last thing I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about is like, so I've been saying I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about China watchers this whole time. There's like basically there's

866
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Speaker 1: kind of a academic careers last profession like in the

867
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Speaker 1: US that's like being a China watcher. And so you

868
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Speaker 1: get like some international relations degree, you get some like

869
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Speaker 1: cultural studies degree, and you go to China for a

870
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Speaker 1: bit and you come back and then like your job

871
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: is to write about like the inscrutable Oriental mind. And

872
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: I they're like one or two of these people are

873
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Speaker 1: like a couple of these people who I like have

874
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Speaker 1: some respect for real at large. I literally cannot with

875
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Speaker 1: these people. Um, well, so what did. The Guardian writes

876
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Speaker 1: an article about this. Later on, they're like, yeah, because

877
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: this is not happening. But the guy they quote writes

878
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: in a Twitter threat, I'm just gonna read this tweet

879
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: because I Jesus Christ. A palace coup in a time

880
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: of political pressurization is not implausible. Gorva Chevan Yeltson were

881
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: detained during the USSR Russia transition period. A coup is

882
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: not an anathema to China either. Emperor guang Hu was

883
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: arrested by dowager Emperor is see she when he attempted

884
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: reforms that, by the way, the same the second thing

885
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Speaker 1: is talking about that is from like I think it's

886
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: eight ten is the last coup he can find? Like

887
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: you could just say ship like there's like you you

888
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: would you could literally say whatever the funk you want

889
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: and people will be like, oh yeah, no, no, no,

890
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: this coup. That is literally two political there are there

891
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: are two entire political systems that China has had between

892
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: right now and the time that the Emperor's regent like

893
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: overthrew the emperor to stop him, Like just just calm on,

894
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: like why why why why are people allowed to say this?

895
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: Like why why are people allowed to go, oh yeah,

896
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: Gorba Trough and Yelson got cooed, So that means that

897
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: there can be a coup in China like this this

898
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: this is one of the experts. Like I just like

899
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Speaker 1: like one of these every single every single one of

900
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: these articles has this passage where they're like, oh, well,

901
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: part of the reason why this happening is because the

902
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: Chinese government is so unbelievably not transparent, and I'm like no, Like,

903
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: part of the reasons is happening is because you guys

904
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: just literally will say bullshit, which means that people will

905
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: just believe like literally you can just say anything about China.

906
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: You can say it like it's all like it all

907
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: comes down once again, as every problem in the world does,

908
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: to the twenty far hour news cycle. Where is this bullshit?

909
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: But like got to fill air time. It's happening right now.

910
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: People are talking about it, so we get to talk

911
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: about it. We don't have to say it's true. We

912
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: can just like talk about it and then we filled

913
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Speaker 1: some airtime and uh, you know, we keep making money.

914
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: It's good and now we're talking about it. Yeah, And

915
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: it's like if it's a topic that people are not

916
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Speaker 1: like I'm gonna say something, then add a caveat. If

917
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: it's a topic that people are not very knowledgeable about,

918
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: like the inner workings of Chinese politics, then they're going

919
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: to be easier to believe it now even now, obviously

920
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: this strategy can work even for topics that people are

921
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: knowledgeable about sometimes um, but especially in something related to

922
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: like foreign countries that most Americans know very little about,

923
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: then yeah, that's super easy to believe. Like remember a

924
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: few years ago when everyone convinced themselves that uh Kim

925
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Speaker 1: jongon died. Yeah, yeah, because because people because people are

926
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Speaker 1: really to believe something. It's yeah, it's like like they're there,

927
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: there's there's there's a thing I've been like, I've run

928
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Speaker 1: into a lot where like that, there's there's a bunch

929
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: of like there's a bunch of people in the American

930
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Speaker 1: left who's like basically and I don't even really know

931
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Speaker 1: how they came to believe this, because this isn't something

932
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: that that CCP even says about itself, but like they've

933
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: they've come to believe that China has universal health care,

934
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: which it doesn't. They used to have one and then

935
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: they got rid of it, Like they literally dismantled the

936
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: universal health care system. Like there are people who believe

937
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: that like like China has like a right to housing

938
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Speaker 1: and that everyone in China just gets a house, and

939
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: and like like this is all of this ship that's

940
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: like it just has like it's it's so completely uncoupled

941
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: from reality that like I can't I can't even trace

942
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: the source to where they got this stuff. But it's

943
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: really easy to spread because yeah, it's just like nobody

944
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: knows and especially like, yeah, it's it's a foreign country,

945
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: nobody knows anything about it, and you can and like

946
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: the actual people who are experts will just like start

947
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: spouting shit about how it's plausible there could be a

948
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: coup against Ji jumping because fucking emperor was overthrown a

949
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Speaker 1: hundred fifty a hundred and twenty four years ago. Like

950
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: it's it's it's endlessly frustrating. And yeah, anyway, so don't

951
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Speaker 1: don't use the internet, attack global communications infrastructure, um and yeah,

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Speaker 1: buy gold, buy some gold, and if you see something

953
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954
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