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Speaker 2: Thank you lady.

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Speaker 1: Oh hey stay yeah.

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Speaker 2: What was the thing you were doing where you morphed

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Speaker 2: the fawns and an Ellie songs? I really enjoyed that.

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Speaker 1: What I don't know, I don't know. So good now, No,

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Speaker 1: I don't feel now you've got me feeling ill self conscious.

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Speaker 2: Liked it genuinely.

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Speaker 1: No, Sophie, you've you've you've mocked my accents too much

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Speaker 1: in the past and now nobody gets to hear it.

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Speaker 2: Wow, but it was so good listeners, it was really

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Speaker 2: it was so good.

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Speaker 1: No, you've taken my power. Maybe I speaking of it.

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Speaker 2: It was terrible.

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Speaker 1: Do it? Don't do it? Fine? Introducer introduced my my

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Speaker 1: podcast are podcast. This is Behind the Bastards, a show

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Speaker 1: about bad people. Kataboo not a bad person, Uh, kat,

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Speaker 1: you spend way too much time monitoring Fox News and

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Speaker 1: the gaggle of maniacs and would be authoritarian rulers who

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Speaker 1: spend all of their time on that fucking hell channel.

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Speaker 1: People can find you on the tiktoks and on the youtubes.

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Speaker 1: What how are you feeling? As we come into part

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Speaker 1: two talking about Raphael Truhio.

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Speaker 3: I'm really interested to see where this is going, uh,

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Speaker 3: because it feels kind of like a typical rise to power,

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Speaker 1: More but most of these stories involved but like not

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Speaker 1: a lot, more like one standard deviation of additional that.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, otherwise pretty normal dictator story. And when

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Speaker 1: true here takes power, he has kind of the standard

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Speaker 1: uneasily upon a new one throne. You know, he's going

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Speaker 1: sure enough, sugar prices fall through the floor it right

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Speaker 1: after Truheo takes office. This is partly due to the

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Speaker 1: fact that, like the Great Depression, is happening. So in

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Speaker 1: addition to the shit that the Dominican Republic was already

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Speaker 1: And so the thing that had kind of kept them

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Speaker 1: So this is a lot for any government to deal with.

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Speaker 1: But it's particularly a lot because about three weeks after

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Speaker 1: just absolutely devastates. It destroys most of the slums. So

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Speaker 4: We need to do that today.

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Speaker 4: I like the pomp and circumstance of being like time

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Speaker 1: Now, where do we put that gate? In Los Angeles? Though,

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Speaker 1: like if you're walling off LA. What part of it?

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Speaker 2: Like the east side west side division makes sense and

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Speaker 1: You know that's that's uh, that was my old neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: We can defend it from from those Santa Monica savages.

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Speaker 1: We need to unite the Cordillos to to take out

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Speaker 2: Up until uh sunset and Dvini. Because we must keep

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no that that this is all. This is

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Speaker 1: all great content for our listeners, Chess Robert, Yeah, yeah

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Speaker 1: This is not really accurate, Like he's not he doesn't

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Speaker 3: It's like having a million people die and then being like, wow,

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Speaker 1: the hurricane for that which I haven't actually run into.

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Speaker 3: It is a really interesting to be like, hey, it's

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Speaker 3: not the typical thing of I'm killing the people that

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Speaker 1: The amount of aid scent was enough though, to both

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Speaker 1: One of his first moves in power prior to the

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Speaker 1: The aftermath of the hurricane would be their first chance

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Speaker 1: Since Congress had legalized dictatorship, it was easy for Trujillo

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Speaker 1: done away with by strong armed squads, were reported victims

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Speaker 2: True.

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Speaker 4: And also it's not just like a vague promise.

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Speaker 1: to get long term security. Right. A powerful military is

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Speaker 1: And Truheil understood that most of his personal security in

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Speaker 1: One of the techniques he used was baptism. Baptism and

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Speaker 1: day after day. Let no one say that Truillo didn't

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of a dictatory that really, I've never.

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Speaker 4: Heard that same, And I think it's really smart.

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Speaker 1: I don't think i've ever ye heard of someone like this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's almost like marrying your child to consolidate

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Speaker 4: But like, also, hundreds of people and they're all the people.

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Speaker 4: That's really smart. Yeah, I'm just processing that.

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Speaker 1: that's so different from like, yeah, I'll be your kid's godfather, right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: One time thing or can you be like, hey, you're

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it probably works per kid. Uh yeah, it's yeah.

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Speaker 1: Remember when I built that school, Remember when I did this?

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Speaker 1: Bad time, you have adequately uh anticipated where this story ends.

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Speaker 1: So yes, it is not hard to see why Truhiel

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Speaker 1: So you're not having to deal with this like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: You know, does he actually care about services or is

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Speaker 1: He's not doing it to be a good guy, but

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't sure if it was like a double whammy

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Speaker 1: I don't know the man, you know, I don't get

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Speaker 1: I don't just want to be another warlord. I want

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Speaker 3: Like elected officials don't grasp this very basic concept.

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Speaker 1: Well, if someone else is responsible for the stability of

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Speaker 1: like make it function well. The buck does have to

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00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 1: stop with True Heo because he's the dictator. So he's like,

436
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 1: I am going to punish people they don't do their

437
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 1: fucking job because that'll make people angry. And if the

438
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: peasants are angry because shit still doesn't work, I'm less safe,

439
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. Uh Now, Obviously a massive concern for

440
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 1: him is the loyalty of the military, and it's this

441
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 1: problem you always have with a dictator's army, right where

442
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 1: you need competent officers to enforce what is a military dictatorship,

443
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 1: but you also have to be able to keep control

444
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: and officers who get too good or a danger to you.

445
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: And one of the ways that he manages this is

446
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: an idea I have not well, it's similar to some

447
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 1: things other people do. So there's this growing understanding of

448
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: fitness in this period of time in the thirties, right,

449
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: fitness culture is starting to become a thing, and Trueheo

450
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 1: has a conversation with a doctor who tells him that

451
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: the best thing to do for his health is go

452
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: on long walks, right, that that's really good for you.

453
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,959
Speaker 1: So he becomes a devoted walker, and he makes it

454
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Speaker 1: be mandatory for military officers to come follow him on

455
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: his walks. But he's not like, he doesn't have a

456
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 1: super set schedule all the time, so you never know

457
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: when the walk is going to start. You just have

458
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: to show up outside of his palace and like the

459
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 1: late afternoon and wait around for hours until he's ready

460
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Speaker 1: to go on a walk, and it might take hours,

461
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 1: and then he might be out for hours. And as

462
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: a result, you're always you have this big thing that's

463
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: going to take a huge chunk of your day and

464
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: your energy, and it's kind of it's not entirely predictable

465
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: how long it's going to take, and so that just

466
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: takes up a lot of time that you might spend plotting, right,

467
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: like you, that's all This is a thing other dictators do. Again,

468
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: it's weird. He's like a lot of what he does

469
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: is like the slightly healthier version of normal dictator stuff.

470
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: Stalin's version of this was every getting everyone drunk. Yeah,

471
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: we're all going to get drunk and watch cowboy movies

472
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: and the middle disrupt your life and stop you from

473
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: being able to plot against me. Truio's version is, We're

474
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: all gonna like go on long walks with like shake

475
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: weights in our hands so that we stay fit.

476
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 3: It's like instead of being like I'm going to keep

477
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 3: you all drugged up, it's like we're gonna go.

478
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 4: On a gluten free diet. Yeah, and you guys to

479
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 4: think about it all the time. You better enter your calories.

480
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Speaker 1: He's like the general your weight, wife, you are out,

481
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: how many points you got? Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, that's

482
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: kind of funny. He is a guy who has a

483
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: lot of energy. He does do the drinking thing too,

484
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: and he does keep his staff with him late at

485
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: night at social events. He doesn't really seem to get hungover,

486
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: so like a lot of times he'd stay out late

487
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: with them drinking and then get up early in the

488
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: next morning and like they'd have to come in like

489
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: an hour after they went to sleep, all like fucked up.

490
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: And you know, this is part of how he ensures loyalty.

491
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: And when this stuff doesn't work, there was always rampant brutality.

492
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Speaker 1: One of the last Codillos was Sergeant Enrique Blanco, who

493
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: like rebelled from the military and led this like regional

494
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: rebellion against Trujillo's rule pretty early on. And when he's

495
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: finally killed, Trujio takes his corpse and he parades it

496
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Speaker 1: through the towns where this guy had been popular, and

497
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: he makes local peasants dance with this guy's rotting corpse

498
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: until Truhio's like, I think you got the point. So again,

499
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: not a verse to brutal shit, right, Like he does

500
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Speaker 1: that too?

501
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 4: Creative though, Yeah, it is really creative though.

502
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit of a corpse dance. I don't know,

503
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: that'll probably make someone less likely to rebel. We should

504
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: try that, Sophie with our with our staff.

505
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Speaker 2: I don't.

506
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 4: I don't.

507
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: I don't think Carson Trivia.

508
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 4: I think that's a great idea. Who are you gonna

509
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 4: kill first?

510
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Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, I feel like if you

511
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: lock yourself into murdering a specific person and then making

512
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 1: people dance with their corpse, then you're just kinda like

513
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: that's like stymying, right, you gotta you gotta be let

514
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: the world kind of you know.

515
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: I know who Robert would pick who's that, Sophie. I'm

516
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: not gonna say it on Mike, but I know who

517
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: you would be.

518
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 7: Okay, Okay, I just think that, uh, that's really creative.

519
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 4: That's like a really creative.

520
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: Way to.

521
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, terrorize an entire population.

522
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 3: Also really heavy, Yeah, very are not light, and to

523
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 3: dance with one that's another workout.

524
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly again health King, yeah exactly, very very concerned

525
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: with everyone's fitness levels. So he makes a priority to

526
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: of inculcating a sense of nationalism. Right because the Dominican

527
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: Republic had been a country, but not really just because

528
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: of how badly it worked, right, And a lot of

529
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: people in the hills are like, I don't fucking that's

530
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: not my government, Like what are you talking about? Like

531
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: my government is this angry dude, right? Or I am

532
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: the government? You know, it had been theoretical outside of era,

533
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: So he understood one of the things he has to

534
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: do is build a sense of nationalism. Part of how

535
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: he did this was in the capitol every day he

536
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: would raise the flag and order the national anthem played,

537
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: and then he would like sit out in his palace

538
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: with a telescope and watch how people responded to like

539
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: see if they were paying enough attention to the national anthem,

540
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: and when he noticed people weren't, he took action. As

541
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: this passage from Espala's book describes, one morning, soldiers clad

542
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: and civilian clothes swarmed into the square. They claborate everyone

543
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: who didn't stand up for the anthem and flag. This

544
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: went on for several days. Then people began drifting out

545
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: of the square just before each ceremony. Truhia responded by

546
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: throwing a cordin of troops around the area. People eventually

547
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,959
Speaker 1: got the message. Dominicans were soon leaping frantically to their

548
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: feet at the sound of the first notes of the anthem.

549
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 4: God.

550
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 3: This dude would be frantically checking his Instagram comments just

551
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 3: to be like, all right.

552
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 4: Who liked it? Who comments?

553
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 3: Looking at his close friends story to see who reacted.

554
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: Would he would be a big fan of those like

555
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 2: really problematic uh interminent fasting ads people keep getting on Twitter?

556
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: Why didn't you like the bad we come on? You

557
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: gotta stay fit? Yeah, have soldiers beat up dudes who

558
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: don't like sign up for the internet and fasting program.

559
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: That would be so him would be intolerable, intolerable, speaking, intolerable,

560
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: it's time for ads. Robert.

561
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: Well, first I gotta ask Kat if you're a dictator, right, yes, yes,

562
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: you've got to. You've decided you're going to make everyone

563
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: stand up for an anthem, otherwise they get the shit

564
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: beaten out of them. What's the song? What are you picking?

565
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 4: Oh god, that's a really good one.

566
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 3: As an arcleptic, I'm going to go with wake me

567
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 3: Up before you go go.

568
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 1: Oh oh boy, that's a nightmare. That's like a literal

569
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: waking hell.

570
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 4: Yeah.

571
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow yeah.

572
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 3: If you didn't know, you can do the Cotton Eye

573
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: Joe to wake me up before you go go and it.

574
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,239
Speaker 4: Wow, it matches up perfectly. So I'm going to make

575
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 4: them do that instead of.

576
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: Standing for the skyrocket. See, I would be I would

577
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: be like a good dictator, So I would make everybody

578
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: listen to the Bloodhound Gangs, the Bad Touch and stand

579
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: up in salute. Yeah that's that's that's fair.

580
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: But to be there, I get my rocks off en

581
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: forcing like Tucker Carlston on everyone around me.

582
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, yeah so does yeah. Well, speaking

583
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: of dictators or guys who would like to be here's

584
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: some ads. Ah, we're back and and.

585
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 4: We didn't hear what Sophie's song would be.

586
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sophie, what's your song?

587
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 4: Hmmm?

588
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: I think I think it also the Bloodound Gang, Definitely,

589
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: They've got so many hits, Sophie.

590
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: I think I gotta go want to be by the

591
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: Spice Girls.

592
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh, that's a really good one. You got to

593
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: make sure everyone knows the rap though.

594
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's like the best part of the song, and

595
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 4: not enough people actually know the words.

596
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: Send in soldiers if they don't get the lyrics to

597
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: the rap right exactly.

598
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 4: That's basically working at like a nightclub.

599
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: Is like, every time I hear any song like that,

600
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: my eye twitches and I just automatically sing it.

601
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: There you go. That would be a real wabb.

602
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 4: I think that's a great choice.

603
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: I think you.

604
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so a lot of his rules.

605
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: We didn't ask Anderson what Anderson's choice would be, and

606
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: it would be it would be who Let the Dogs Out?

607
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: That's creative, Sophie.

608
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's her favorite song. It's her only song. Listen

609
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: to to it on loop every night for four hours.

610
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: See, my cats are intellectuals, so they like listening to

611
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: the entirety of the Who's Tommy, which is what I

612
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: would make everyone say, is so Saddami day very Saddam. Yeah.

613
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: So much of his ruling strategy was focused on simultaneously

614
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: humiliating old elites and turning himself into ass like a

615
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: figure of kind of almost like deified respect among the peasantry.

616
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: And I'm going to quote again from a write up

617
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: on Thought Company by Rebecca Bodenheimer. Quote. In nineteen thirty six,

618
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Speaker 1: he rechristened the capital Siadad Trujillo. He also changed the

619
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Speaker 1: name of Duarte Peak to Trujillo Peak. At ten twenty

620
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: eight feet, this Apex and the Dominican Cordillera is Central

621
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Speaker 1: is the Caribbean's highest mountain. It is about a third

622
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: the height of Mount Everest and surpasses the measurement of

623
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: any North American mountain east of the Mississippi. Legend has

624
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: it that a geographer laboring under Trujillo feared that even

625
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: the peaks impressive height would not be enough to police

626
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: the president, so he recorded the height at three thousand,

627
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five meters ten thousand, four hundred

628
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: and seventeen feet instead just actually one hundred twenty eight

629
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: It's not even that big a lie, right, he's just

630
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: adding like three hundred feet like, h yeah, because meters. Yeah,

631
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: but it's interesting, yeah, changing them. I mean, first off,

632
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: changing the name of the capital city to be your name.

633
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: Classic dictator shit. Changing a mountain, classic dictator shit. But

634
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: really where it gets good is like this geographer is

635
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: scared to give the actual height of the mountains, so

636
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: he's got to just like just jink it by a

637
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: little bit. Like that's not even a big lie, it's

638
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: such a it.

639
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 4: Really another mountain by being just that much taller.

640
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: I think it's normally the highest, it's always it's just

641
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: the highest mountain in the Caribbean. Like, I don't think

642
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: he had to lie to make it that. He just

643
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: put a couple of hundred feet on because he was

644
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: so scared. Like that's a good dictator, you know. When

645
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: you've got that, you.

646
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 4: Don't even threaten him. He probably wouldn't have even been

647
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: mad if he has told the truth. No, you wouldn't know.

648
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: Is tall enough? Right? Yeah, but that guy still does it?

649
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: You you love to see it? Uh yeah, so obviously

650
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: he gets He gets described often as a womanizer. He's

651
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: often seen like dancing with high society women. He is

652
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: of course a rapist and becomes one on a massive

653
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: scale now that he is the president. But it is

654
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: sort of the kind of thing where like it just

655
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: becomes known that if Trueheo wants to see you, you

656
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: go to him. Right.

657
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: Does he have like a specific type like is he

658
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: praying on women that work for him?

659
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: Or I think it is generally women in high society,

660
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: but not exclusively. And it's it's just sort of like

661
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: he's got people and they'll come say, like here's a

662
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: gift or whatever, you know, the President would like to

663
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: see you, and is just generally known like it's it's

664
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: not a good thing to not give the president what

665
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: he wants, right, It's that kind of that's the kind

666
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: of coercion and violence that you're able to exert when

667
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: you're the president, as opposed to very yeah, very classic

668
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: dictator ship. Yeah. True Hello also commissioned songs to be

669
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: composed in his honor, with titles like faith and Tru

670
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: Heo Tru Hello is Great and Immortal and True Hello

671
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: the Great Architect, none of which have the uh the

672
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: panache of like Fox Trot Uniform, Charlie Kilo or uh,

673
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, some of the other great Bloodhound Gang songs.

674
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: Like was great and Immortal and it's like he's also

675
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 3: sexy and can throw a ball really far.

676
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, real good picture.

677
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: True he is such a good picture.

678
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty good jump shot.

679
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 4: He can dunk. You don't think he can dunk, but

680
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 4: he can dunk. And not his own song. That's like,

681
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 4: that's a song.

682
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: I know you don't think he can dunk, but he

683
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: can drug dunk, Truio, I mean dope, so please compose that.

684
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: Yeah in person, Truello was all oily sachurin confidence, but

685
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: he was less stable than he liked to pretend. By

686
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty seven, the Dominican Republic was nearly insolvent. International

687
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: assistance then had become absolutely necessary. Now this is nineteen

688
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: thirty seven, and traditionally the Dominican Republic gets money from

689
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: the US. Truhio considers himself a marine, but the US

690
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: is not the government in thirty seven that he feels

691
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: the closest to, or that he wants to be the

692
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: closest to, because he's kind of become a Hitler. Stand

693
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: by this point right now, Adolph's been in power less

694
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: time by a couple of years. Than Truio, but he's

695
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: really done something with it. And Raphael is a big

696
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: fan of this, This go getter young German. Right, he's

697
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: a hitler. Yeah, yeah, he's a hitler. Stan, He's got

698
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: all the albums.

699
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you see Adolf single great visionary.

700
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, his new single the Anschluss. Yeah. So in September

701
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: of nineteen thirty seven, a bunch of Nazi government representatives

702
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: come to visit him, and tru Heil accepts a signed

703
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: copy of mind Camp from the German representative, the Nazi delegation. Yeah,

704
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: oh yeah, he's got a signed one. The Nazi delegation

705
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: is met with crowds and positive articles in tru Heillo

706
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: controlled newspapers, all with titles like long live our illustrious leaders,

707
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: the Honorable President, Doctor Trujillo, and the furor of the

708
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: German Reich, Adolf Hitler.

709
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 4: Wait, why didn't you here become a doctor?

710
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: At no point? Never did he become a doctor, Like

711
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: he just did. That's just what you do. If I

712
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: get to be a dictator, I've always wanted to be

713
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: a colonel, right.

714
00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, because twist yeah right, doctor Truio.

715
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is this game of thrones?

716
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 4: Long?

717
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: Live, our illustrious leader, the Honorable President, Doctor Trueu and

718
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: the fure of Germany Reich Adolf Hitler.

719
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler Hitler here being basically the Prince of dictators,

720
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: where he's like, can you just call me Adolf? Like, like,

721
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: we all know who I am, so Prince yeah, just

722
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: like Prince.

723
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 4: So.

724
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: In an article written by Michelle Wouker, Wuka describes how

725
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: Trujillo was particularly inspired by Nazi racial theories as well

726
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: as the model of strong main leadership that Hitler represented. Quote.

727
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: Hitler's ideas gave Truheo a racist and nationalist plan to

728
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: distract Dominicans from their empty stomachs, reminding Dominicans that they

729
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: could not afford to feed foreigners too. Truio cracked down

730
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: in migration from Haiti, but powerful American sugarcane plantation owners

731
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: who brought in Haitians to cut caine because unlike Dominicans,

732
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: they worked for practically nothing, forced him to make hu exceptions.

733
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: He resorted to deporting Haitians and tightening border patrols, but

734
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: the Haitians kept coming because obviously Haiti is doing badly

735
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: in this period, as is generally the case. So they've

736
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: got poor refugees flooding over the border. Americans need them

737
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: to work plantations for cheap But Truhello also is he's

738
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: doing very much what conservatives do in our country, creating

739
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: this panic over the border. Like, ah, it's not my mismanagement,

740
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: and like the US having fucked us over for so long,

741
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: that is why you're poor and starving. It's the Haitians.

742
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: They're taking your jobs, they're taking your wealth, they're filling

743
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: our cut. We can't afford to feed them. All right, Well,

744
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: isn't there like a I.

745
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 3: Mean, we went through this earlier, but like a pretty

746
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: similar background.

747
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: Yep. In a lot of ways, they're not far from

748
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: Mitcha And in fact it's.

749
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 4: Still only two places on this island.

750
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: A good number of the Haitians that he is turning into,

751
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: like the have just been living in what is the

752
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: Dominican Republic for forever, right because right at the border area,

753
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: it's not like everyone has always had like the Dominican

754
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: Haitian border only gets settled in nineteen twenty nine, the

755
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: year that he comes to power, So like there's just

756
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: communities of Haitians and the Dominican Republic who have been

757
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: living there for you know, a long time.

758
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 4: Is it settled by him?

759
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean it's no, it's settled right before

760
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: he comes to power. So this is I think Vasquez

761
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: is his name is, So like right before he takes over,

762
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: this gets settled. I'm sure he had a hand in it,

763
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: because he's a powerful guy in government. Still at that point,

764
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: now rationally in thirty seven, from nineteen twenty nine to

765
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: thirty seven, nothing has changed about the situation with Haitians. Right,

766
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: there's Haitians who live in the Dominican side of the border.

767
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: They work in communities. Even the ones that are going

768
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: across have often been part of and working in these

769
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: communities for generations. But Trujillo sees them as a and

770
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: in fact, Trujillo is part Haitian, right, Like he has

771
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: Haitian ancestors, which is very common. Right, It's one island.

772
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: It's not all that bit, you know, like I don't.

773
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: Want to be because I know there are like two

774
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: separate states, but it's it's one island that I voted

775
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 3: in and people have moved colonial parallel.

776
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, And he's also.

777
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but you're trying trying to make bigotry

778
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: makes sense here.

779
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 4: Can't Yeah, I don't know what I expected here.

780
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, it's the same with like the US Mexico border,

781
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: right in a lot of ways. Right, you could look

782
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: at especially a lot of these like border communities where

783
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: the guys in Ice are often like like Hispanic dudes, right, Like,

784
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: it's like that's a big thing in the border. It's

785
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: this aspect of like like it never makes all that

786
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: much sense when you drill down into it. Other than

787
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: that it makes sense when you talk about the politicians,

788
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: when you talk about guys like Druhillo, for whom it's

789
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: not about his deeply held beliefs as much as it

790
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: is like I need a fucking scapegoat, and I can

791
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: get people angry at the Haitians, you know, right, Like.

792
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, in my work a lot, I'm like,

793
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 3: you know, I know logically that this logically.

794
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 4: Makes no sense, like it's inherently illogical, but it's still

795
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: just so fun frustrating and.

796
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, it's about to get a lot

797
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: more frustrating, but it is. And often scholars do compare

798
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: what true Heio does to a lot of like politics

799
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: of the US border. These are these are in fact

800
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: similar situations in a lot of ways. Now, there's a

801
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: difference in that that Haitians had occupied the Dominican Republic

802
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: not all that long ago, So there is that aspect

803
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: of it which like Mexico never like conquered a chunk

804
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: of the United States, right, like we went to war

805
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: with them and took a bunch of shit.

806
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 4: I mean except your Texas history class in fourth grade.

807
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, no other you would not know otherwise, right, yes,

808
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: so but yeah, this is like a very similar in

809
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: a lot of wate situation. So true Heillo starts using

810
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: these people as like a a a huge scapegoat, and

811
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: there is a belief among many Dominicans that Haitians are

812
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: taking jobs and driving down the price of wages, and

813
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: so as a result, True Hello gets a lot of

814
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: support when he pushes through punit of laws against them,

815
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: which he does throughout the mid thirties. In July of

816
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty seven, this process culminates in a new law

817
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: which forces foreigners to register with migration officials and leads

818
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: to a crackdown on immigration that allows him to deport

819
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: eight thousand Haitians. And again, a bunch of those people

820
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: had lived in the area for forever, right, Like they're

821
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: just being forced out because someone decides in the government,

822
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: decides that they're Haitians and anyway, it's ugly. Trhillo goes

823
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: on a grand tour of the border in August and

824
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: he is furious to see that there are still way

825
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: more Haitians than he wants to see, and he doesn't.

826
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: He's angry that there's not as much livestock as he'd

827
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: expected to see in this part of the countryside. So

828
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: he starts talking to peasants as he's doing this like

829
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: tour of these villages and they're like, oh, it's Haitian

830
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: bandits who stole our animals. Now it's unclear if this

831
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: actually happened or if this is the justification that Raphael's

832
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: propagandists give for his focus on the border. But there

833
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: start being massacres. There's massacres of Dominicans by Haitian partisans.

834
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: There's reprisal strikes Dominicans. Yeah, he stole it's a normal thing, like,

835
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: but there there starts being more violence. That's a lot

836
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: of it's you know, ginned up by his sort of

837
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: like the propaganda that starts coming out. But like Yeah,

838
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: Dominicans kill Haitians. There's reprisal strikes and reprisal strikes and

839
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: reprisal strikes. In early October, Truehio visits a banquet near

840
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: the border and he starts to get drunk and at

841
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: the point at which he gets really hammered, because he's

842
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: this is not an unknown thing to him. He is

843
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: and dictators often do this. He'll get hammered and then

844
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: announce new policies.

845
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 2: Right.

846
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: It's sort of the equivalent of like Trump getting on

847
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: Twitter and getting angry and like or Elon or whatever,

848
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: like all these guys do this sort of thing. It's

849
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: when you have absolute power, you get to you get

850
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: to let your whims carry you when you're on Kennemy

851
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: or whatever or whatever. Those were good days. Those were

852
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: good days. Yeah, we had some We had some fun times.

853
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 4: I forget January too.

854
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: This is this is not going to be a fun time.

855
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: Because he gets drunk and he starts to get into

856
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: like an anger spiral and he suddenly he just kind

857
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: of at off the cuff gives a speech. I have

858
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: learned here that the Haitians have been robbing food and

859
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: cattle from the ranchers. To you Dominicans who have complained

860
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: of this pillaging committed by the Haitians who live among you.

861
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: I answer, I will solve the problem. Indeed, we have

862
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: already begun. Around three hundred Haitians were killed in Banika.

863
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: The solution must continue. And for emphasis, he starts hammering

864
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: his fist on the table as he's giving this speech

865
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: about how, like, you know, we killed three hundred Haitians

866
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: today and we're going to kill more and more and

867
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: more of them soon, and like he basically starts promising,

868
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: We're going to do a fucking massacre. And it is

869
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: I think unclear if he'd had anyone killed at this point.

870
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: There had been clashes prior to this, and it's kind

871
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,959
Speaker 1: of unclear how much of this was like locked down

872
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: and set in stone before he started drinking, and how

873
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: much of this is influenced by the fact that he

874
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: starts drinking. But after he gives this kind of drunken announcement,

875
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: he orders his forces to move on the border region

876
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: and start massacring Haitians. Michelle Wooker writes, quote, Trujillo's soldiers

877
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: use their guns to intimidate, but not to kill. For that,

878
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: they used machetes, knives, picks, and shovels so as not

879
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: to leave bullets in the corpses. Bullet riddled bodies would

880
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: have made it obvious that the murderers were government soldiers, who,

881
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: unlike most Dominicans, had guns. But death by machete can

882
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: be blamed on peasants, on simple men of the countryside

883
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: rising up to defend their cattle in lands. Even a

884
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: bayonet leaves wounds like those of a simple knife that

885
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: the true authors of the crime can be masked. This

886
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: elaborate facade left out one crucial detail. If the massacre

887
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 1: was indeed a result of the Dominican peasant uprising against

888
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: the Haitians, why were there no casualties on the Dominican side,

889
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: and why did a number of Dominicans add a great

890
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: risk to their own lives and livelihoods hide Haitians and

891
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: efforts to protect them from Truhio's murderers. Trujillo's men searched

892
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: the houses in estates of the region one by one,

893
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: rounded up Haitians, and initiated deportation proceedings against them. Once

894
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: the paperwork was done, the Dominican government had proof that

895
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: the Haitians had been sent back to Haiti. The Haitians

896
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: were then transported like cattle to isolated killing grounds, where

897
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: soldiers slaughtered them at night, carried the corpses to the

898
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: Atlantic port at Monte Christi, and threw the bodies to

899
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: the sharks for days. The waves carried uneaten body parts

900
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: back onto Hispaniola's beaches. So we are past the fun

901
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: part of the true Heo story.

902
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was so much less fun than January sixth

903
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: on Twitter. Yes, yeah, once again throwing shit into the sea.

904
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's you know, you can see here too,

905
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: there's this echoing of the path, right, the Americans come

906
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: in because things are too unstable, there's too much fighting.

907
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: We take everybody's weapons so that only the government has guns,

908
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: and then the government uses their guns to get people together,

909
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: to threaten them together. But the killing itself, and this

910
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: is going to be thirty thousand people beaten to death

911
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: with clubs, with shovels, with knives, with picks, like this

912
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: is one of the most physically brutal acts of mass

913
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: killing that I've ever read about.

914
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jesus, Yeah, that's like raven Nan king shit. Just

915
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 4: like the brutality of the brute force.

916
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the guns can let you collect people, but

917
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: if you shoot them then it's like obviously, right, you

918
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: lose your.

919
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 4: You know, because all the other guns are sick.

920
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: Yes. Haitian author Jack Alexis later wrote about the massacre

921
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: that day, such horrors took place under the torrential rain,

922
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: that your mouth tasted of ashes, that the air was

923
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: bitter to breathe, that shame weighed down on your heart,

924
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: and the flavor of all life indeed was repugnant. Jesus

925
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: pretty good writer. Yeah. After the first few days, Dominican

926
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: soldiers gave up the charade of avoiding the use of

927
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: their firearms. They started going door to door massacring Haitian

928
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: families anywhere they weren't actively employed and protected by a

929
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: foreign company. Many of the people they were killing were

930
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: lifelong residents of these areas, which means that number one,

931
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't a lot of times and to the this

932
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: is a massacre executed by the government. There are certainly

933
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: some civilians, some Dominican civilians, who support the massacre. A

934
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: lot of Dominican civilians hide and try to protect because

935
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: these are their neighbors, These are family in some cases, right,

936
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the fucking dictator is part Haitian, right.

937
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 4: The people who hide them get killed.

938
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: Too sometimes, yes, yeah, I mean yeah, it's a genocide.

939
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: So one of the things that is a problem for

940
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: the government is that because everyone's just kind of lived

941
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: in this area for forever, they don't always look like

942
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: you can't always just tell who's a Haitian who's a

943
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: Dominican by looking at him right, right, because they live

944
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: like three minutes from each other for forever. Right, So

945
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 1: in order to figure out who the Haitians are, what

946
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: you do have is Haitians speak French right like or

947
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: at least a French creole, and like Dominicans speak like

948
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: kind of a Spanish creole, right, And so Haitians pronounce

949
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: the term for parsley differently than Dominicans. They can't roll

950
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: their rs in the right way. And it's just sort

951
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: of like a thing, right, Like you get this in

952
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: like polyglot community, where it'll be like, ah, they pronounce

953
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: it this way, we call it this way, you know,

954
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: it's like a we even have that with like the British, right,

955
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: like you, my roommate is ethnically British, and like he

956
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: calls it a bath room and like all this shit,

957
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: like you know, this is the less fun that just wrong. Yeah,

958
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: it is wrong. Soldiers will go door to door or

959
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: when they're doing checkpoints, they'll hold up a piece of

960
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: parsley and they'll ask the people to to what is

961
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: this called? And if they pronounce it the way Haitians

962
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: pronounce it, they'll kill them. They'll beat them to death,

963
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: they'll shoot them. It becomes called the par Parsley massacre

964
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: by a lot of people as a result of this. Yeah,

965
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: now it's kind of unclear how often that's the way

966
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: that they do it, but this apparently does happen to

967
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: some extent to some of the victims, so that's kind

968
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: of how it becomes known. The main phase of the

969
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: killing lasts roughly a week, so somewhere between twenty and

970
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: thirty thousand people massacred, and most of them in a week.

971
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: There's some mop up killings the second week. But like

972
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: after about a week of this, the international community finds out, right,

973
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 1: like this story for one thing, there's like body parts

974
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: washing up in Haiti, right, Like there's survivors who get

975
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: out and stuff, and people don't like it when you

976
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: do this. Generally like it's bad press, and particularly like

977
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: a lot of Americans are like, well, hey, we we're

978
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: backing this guy. What the fuck? We don't like this.

979
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: You know, we're pretty racist, but like, we don't like

980
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: it when this happens, or at least when we're informed

981
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: about it, you know, Yeah, don't like, don't let us

982
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: hear about it if you're gonna do it. Yeah. And

983
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: so Rafael orders an official stop to the massacre on

984
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: October eighth, after about a week, but his forces keep

985
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: mopping up. They kill a few hundred more families over

986
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: the next week or so. By the time the killing

987
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: stopped again, the lone estimate is about fifteen thousand. The

988
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: high estimate is thirty thous or so twenty twenty five thousands,

989
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: probably a pretty realistic death toll. The butchery is severe

990
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: enough that international attention lingers, and Raphael he tries to

991
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: stop the international press from coming in. You know, he's

992
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: got a pretty good lockdown in the cities. But one

993
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: American journalist, a fucking hero, really cool guy, Quentin Reynolds,

994
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: makes his way through like these cordons and shit and

995
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: gets into the countryside near the border of the Dominican

996
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: Republican Haiti, and he goes to hospitals, these little field

997
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: hospitals and jungle hospitals and shit just in the middle

998
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: of nowhere, and he starts talking to victims. He meets

999
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: hundreds of survivors, and because of how brutal, he's like

1000
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: transfixed by the wounds, people who have like gouges in

1001
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: their skulls. A lot of small children whose hands had

1002
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: been hacked off, like hundreds of them. And he talks

1003
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: to these people. He takes down their stories, he hears

1004
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 1: what happened. He does his work diligently, and then, showing

1005
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: more courage than might exist in the American media today,

1006
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: he flies to the Capital to talk directly to Truthio,

1007
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: to confront him about what he's heard and seen. And

1008
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: I should note here that in addition to writing for

1009
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: Colliers magazine, Quentin was a former NFL linebacker. So he

1010
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: is he is like, yeah, he's pretty cool guy. Yeah.

1011
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,479
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that he like mailed, like mailed his ship

1012
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 3: ahead of time before going to the Capitol.

1013
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: That is unclear to me. He may just have had,

1014
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: you know, this is the thirties. He may have just

1015
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: had this kind of like they will not let and

1016
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: they're not going to kill me. I am an American

1017
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: and like in this period of time, we would have

1018
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: sent the fucking Marines back if he murdered it, right,

1019
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: Like that's just the way you know it was, we

1020
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: take you out. Yeah, he may have just had kind

1021
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 1: of faith that the dictator, but anyway, still a ballsy

1022
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: moved to go directly to this guy and Truehillo like

1023
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: Winds and dines this journalist, he sits him down for Yeah.

1024
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: He gives Reynolds what Reynolds describes as the best champagne

1025
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: he ever tasted. And while they're talking, because Reynolds is like,

1026
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: here's what people they're saying happened to them. They're saying

1027
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: your soldiers did all this horrible shit, and tru Heil's

1028
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: like they're exaggerating, Like that can't be what happened. You know,

1029
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: there was just an uprising of Dominican farmers against Haitians

1030
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: and like they were just he says, it was a

1031
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: truly lamentable incident and nobody feels worse about it than

1032
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: I do. Fucking yeah, real piece of shit. So Quentin

1033
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: points out, like I have seen a lot of evidence

1034
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: that directly counters your claims, I don't believe you, and

1035
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: Truio says, hey, look, it couldn't have been done by

1036
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: my guys. They were all killed by machetes, not rifles.

1037
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: My guys would have used rifles. You know, if I

1038
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: was gonna do he does like an if I did

1039
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: it sort of thing, or if it was gonna be

1040
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: my guys. So now I also should note here after

1041
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: like Quentin come like, it is because of him that

1042
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: a lot of this story gets out. He's not the

1043
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: only person who gets it out, but he like writes

1044
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: a big article about it. He creates a lot of

1045
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: international attends around this. Quentin Reynolds will go on to

1046
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: be a war correspondent during World War Two. Pretty cool guy, imo.

1047
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: So the River Massacre, as it's also sometimes called, was

1048
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: inspired partly by a Nazi racial theories. Truhio was open

1049
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: and this is again, as we talked about earlier, kind

1050
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: of a long trend in Dominican rulers. He wants to

1051
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: whiten his country, right, he wants to make it whiter,

1052
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: and he sees the Haitians as darker than the Dominicans, right,

1053
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: so he wants That's part of what's going on with

1054
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: him here? And he follows up this massacre with a

1055
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: dominicanization propaganda campaign that describes his terrible crime as an

1056
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: act of protection to save Dominicans from the pollution of

1057
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: Haitian blood.

1058
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 4: Is terrible crime. I thought it was the farmer's terrible crime.

1059
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, yeah, like a little bit, a little

1060
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: bit inconsistent here it is then somewhat ironic. And this

1061
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: is where it gets real weird. International outcry, especially after

1062
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: Quentin's article becomes a big problem for him, and so

1063
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 1: in order to distract from all the people he's killed,

1064
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: he offers to take in victims of the Nazi racial policies.

1065
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: So the year after the River massacre, in nineteen thirty eight,

1066
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: FDR had convened a thirty two nation conference in France

1067
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: to discuss resettling Jewish refugees from Nazi territory. The war

1068
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: had not started yet. Again, this is thirty eight, and

1069
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: the Nazis were willing to allow immigration, were willing to

1070
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: allow Jews to leave Nazi Germany as long as they

1071
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: didn't take their money or property with them. But the

1072
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: problem was that everyone's real fucking racist. Right. There are

1073
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: caps on how many Jewish refugees on how many Jewish

1074
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: people are allowed to enter the United States are allowed

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00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 1: to enter basically every Western country, right, because real fucking

1076
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: racist and fdr. This is a thing that is going

1077
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: to be repeatedly an issue for him. Is personally empathetic

1078
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: but doesn't want to be seen as like soft on

1079
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: the Jews, right, that is bad for you politically. This

1080
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 1: is very racist everyone, like, that's why the Holocaust happens.

1081
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: Is everybody's fucking terrible, but so the US and basically

1082
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: no one is willing to This is not just the

1083
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: United States. He has thirty two countries together, and none

1084
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: of them are willing to extend their cap on refugees

1085
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: to raise the number of Jews that they're willing to

1086
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,439
Speaker 1: take in. They come to this like toothless agreement where

1087
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: everyone agrees, yeah, we should resettle Jewish people out of

1088
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: Nazi areas, but no country should be expected to take

1089
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: in more than their current laws allow. Only one world

1090
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: leader stands up and offers to take additional Jewish refugees.

1091
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: That's thirty two. Yeah, Raphaeltruhio because again he's a stan

1092
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: of Hitler, but he doesn't really believe he has a

1093
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: different belief set about racial policies. They are inspired by

1094
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: the Nazis, but in his view, Jews are white. So

1095
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: if I take Jews in and they start marrying, it'll

1096
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: whiten this up, you know. Like that is the attitude

1097
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: that he's coming into this with. Right, So he says

1098
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: the Dominican Republic can host between fifty thousand and one

1099
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: hundred thousand Jews. That's a big deal, right.

1100
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, how many people live in the country at that point?

1101
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: I think a little like a million and a half

1102
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: something like that at this point.

1103
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 4: Maybe that's a huge amount of immigration.

1104
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: And that's a lot of potentially a lot of lives

1105
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: to say, right, yeah, that's that's significant. Does he actually

1106
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: do it to a degree? We'll talk about that in

1107
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 1: a little bit obviously, Like I don't give him moral

1108
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: credit for this. For one thing he is it's weird

1109
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: because like he is the only world leader who offers

1110
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: to do this and as a result of it, a

1111
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: lot of people's lives are saved. He does it for

1112
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: the most racist and shitty reasons possible, right, right, Like

1113
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: he is he is saving Holocaust victims in order to

1114
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 1: cover up a genocide that he did. There's no lessons

1115
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: sometimes from history. Just it's a thing that happened.

1116
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 4: Though, you know, it's a thing that happened.

1117
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: And obviously, like you, yeah, if you're one of these,

1118
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: you you get out of Nazi Germany, however the fuck

1119
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: you can, Like I'll go to Like I don't care

1120
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: if this dictator is shitty, like I like, I have

1121
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: no other options, Like it's nineteen thirty eight, and I'm

1122
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: a Jewish guy in Germany, Like I'm gonna do whatever,

1123
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: Go hang.

1124
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 4: Out in the Dominican Republic.

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00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: Hell of a lot better than staying in fucking Germany. Yeah, right,

1126
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: no shade on those people. So we will talk about

1127
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: what happens with this very strange offer. But first, you

1128
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: know who else wants to go to the Dominican Republic?

1129
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: Tell me sponsors of our podcasts.

1130
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, the racist reasons are not racist.

1131
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: It's a roll of the dice. Cat, that's a roll

1132
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: of the dice, flip of the old coin right there. Anyway,

1133
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: here's ads. Oh, we're back, and we are talking about

1134
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: Raphael Truhio's very odd offer to take a bunch of

1135
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: Jewish refugees in. Now he is still pretty racist, among

1136
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: other things. He's willing to take these immigrants in as

1137
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: long as they don't take jobs in certain fields that

1138
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: he sees as like Jewish fields, like finance. Right, Like, basically,

1139
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: I will let you come here if you work as

1140
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: farmers and if you ideally marry and have kids with Dominicans.

1141
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 4: Right, He's like, you can come here, I just don't

1142
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 4: want you to be like too.

1143
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: Jewy, you know, that is basically what he says, right.

1144
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: But obviously the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, who are

1145
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: like some of the people trying to get Jewish people

1146
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: out of Europe, are like, well, this is the literally

1147
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: the only offer on the tape. Of course we're going

1148
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: to take it. Like what else are we going to

1149
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: fucking do? So they take the offer, and again a

1150
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: big part of what Truhillo is trying to do here

1151
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: is distract from the fact that he has just carried

1152
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: out a genocide. But you know, you can't be picky

1153
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: if you're the JCS in this situation. So they create

1154
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: a special organization. The acronym for it is DORSA. I

1155
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: don't remember what it stands for. It doesn't really matter.

1156
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: And the purpose of this organization is to take money

1157
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: generally from diaspora Jews who are trying to get people

1158
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: out of Europe and buy up land twenty six thousand

1159
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: acres I think in the Democratic or in the Dominican Republic,

1160
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: and then settle Jewish people on that land as farmers.

1161
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 1: Upon arrival, each new settler is supposed to be given

1162
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: eighty acres of land ten kyat cows, a mule and

1163
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: a horse, which compared to Auschwitz is pretty good deal, right, Yeah,

1164
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: not bad. It's not a great plan. I don't think true.

1165
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: HEO knows a lot about farming. The specific area that

1166
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: these folks are able to are given to, like allowed

1167
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: to buy acre g In is not fertile farmland for

1168
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: what they want to grow because their initial plan is tomatoes.

1169
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't exactly know why, but it's a bad place

1170
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: to grow tomatoes, and there are other problems. For one thing,

1171
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 1: most of the younger Jewish people who could get out

1172
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: of Germany already have, so most of the people who

1173
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: are coming into the Dominican Republic are fifty year older,

1174
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: which makes sense when you look at the dim graphics

1175
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: that remained in the German Jewish and Austrian Jewish communities

1176
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: in this period of time. But TRUEEO, a lot of

1177
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: this is like he wants to breed them, right, so

1178
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: like the fact that they're old, he's not thrilled with.

1179
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: There's other issues with the colony. For one thing, most

1180
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: of the people who come there, their goal is not

1181
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: to actually stay in the dr right. Their goal is

1182
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: to get there to save their lives and then get

1183
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: a visa to enter the US, which totally reasonable. Like

1184
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm not criticizing them for this, but it doesn't it's

1185
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: part of why the plan doesn't entirely work the way

1186
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: that Truhio wants it to. But also the colony doesn't collapse,

1187
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: and this is really fascinating. So they're having this issue.

1188
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: The first crops that they tried to work to grow

1189
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: doesn't work. So Dorset inputs or imports a bunch of

1190
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: Jewish Palestinians who have been living on kibbutzes and brings

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01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: them over and has them like helps set up like

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01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: farms and meat processing plants and like dairies and stuff

1193
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: to make cheese. And this actually takes off. Like with

1194
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: these like kibbutzam in they build a thriving community. I

1195
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: think there's never more than about five hundred people who

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01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: live in it at a time, but something like ten

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01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 1: thousand something like that, like fifteen hundred, mite, Like there's

1198
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: there's a few thousand people the numbers are kind of unclear,

1199
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: who move through the colony on their way to the US.

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01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: So this does save a lot of lives. And there

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01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: is still a Jewish population in this area, in this

1202
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: colony called Sosua to this day. And in fact, most

1203
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: of the butter and cheese made in the Democratic or

1204
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: made in the Dominican Republic is made by businesses run

1205
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: by these Jewish families, so to this day still around.

1206
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: So that's that will be the only nice thing we

1207
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: talk about today. But that's nice. Yeah, that's good. Again,

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01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: I don't give Truheo credit for this. I give these

1209
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: people credit for like surviving and making something actually kind

1210
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: of rad out of a very.

1211
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 4: Bad hands up for racism.

1212
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is this is the one time racism

1213
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: saved lives in the Holocaust.

1214
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 3: We're solving one genocide with another gener Yeah.

1215
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: Again, there's not always lessons to take out.

1216
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 4: Of fiery fire. I guess, or cancel each other out.

1217
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: I don't know math it doesn't can't. No, it certainly

1218
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: does not cancel it out.

1219
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 6: It's just a thing that's just for the sake of

1220
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 6: everyone that.

1221
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 4: Loves to hate me. I'm totally kidding. Genocide is bad.

1222
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 4: I've always been consistent about that, anti.

1223
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: Genesis, anti genocide. Yeah, for example, a nice man would

1224
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: have tried to save people from the Holocaust, not to

1225
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: cover up his genocide. Totally agree, Yeah, much better.

1226
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 4: Sophie is suspiciously quiet about being anti genocide.

1227
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, Sophie's I don't actually know how to

1228
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: make that into a joke. So as you all might

1229
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: have picked up about the fact that you know he's

1230
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: he's talking about wanting to whiten up the Dominican Republic

1231
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: and all that stuff that that's a big factor in

1232
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: like what he's doing here, I should start talking about

1233
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: how he conceived of his own race, because obviously Raphael

1234
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: has some Haitian ancestry and has some weird hang ups

1235
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: with this, which brings me to the matter of his face.

1236
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: One of Truheillo's great shames is again that he is

1237
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: darker than he wants to look like he is. He

1238
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: considers that to be to having he considers having darker

1239
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: skin to be something shameful, and as a result, he

1240
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: is known to wear thick it's described as pancake makeup

1241
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: at all time. He always has whitening makeup on his face,

1242
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: and he's bad at applying it, like it is like noticing. Yeah,

1243
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: he looks like a mannequin, like he's just got it

1244
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: slathered on all the time. Yeah, yeah, come on, man,

1245
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: Like Bare Minerals has some good stuff, like yeah, anyway, whatever.

1246
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 3: He knows that, but not a third basketball player happening?

1247
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: What is happening?

1248
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 2: Why do you know what Bare Minerals is?

1249
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: I don't know because I I have your I've had,

1250
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, dated people and stuff. You go buy gifts

1251
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: and ship and the sport. I'm I'm good at getting gifts.

1252
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: You know you are.

1253
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I I can't even I can't even

1254
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: deny Robert.

1255
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: Sarcastic, thoughtful as ass.

1256
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he knows Minerals. That's very sweet.

1257
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: That's yeah, so one of again.

1258
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 2: So no the basketball player's name by end of day

1259
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: or we're gonna have our problem.

1260
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 3: Uher, that's my favorite player.

1261
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. So he's wearing this pancake makeup

1262
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: and this is kind of This is very much in

1263
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: line with It's not just about like skin color, it's

1264
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: about He's very insecure about his origins, right, including the

1265
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: fact that he comes from poverty. And this insecurity extends

1266
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: to like he when once he One of the reasons

1267
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: why we don't have as much to hail about his

1268
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: childhood as we'd like is that he goes too great

1269
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: links to cover up everything about his early life once

1270
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: he is in power, including he kind of goes to

1271
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: war against his old nickname chippeda or bottle cap. And

1272
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: this is a fun little anecdote from The Little Caesar

1273
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: of the Caribbean, which is a biography of truthio quote. Somehow,

1274
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: the nickname was eventually eliminated as a result of one

1275
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: of Trujillo's earliest biographical rewrites. To accomplish this, however, he

1276
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: had to banish the word from the language. Many people

1277
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: who stubbornly disregarded the prohibition paid dearly for their daring.

1278
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: Though successful in suppressing the word, the General Lissimo has

1279
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: failed to abolish its meaning. The natural and probably innocent

1280
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: boyhood passion for collecting meaningless trifles remains with him to

1281
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: this day. Although considerably changed in scope in his maturity.

1282
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: Trujillo collects medals and decorations, of which he possesses more

1283
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: than fifty.

1284
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 4: So God, I loved her dictators, which is like a

1285
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 4: shit on a.

1286
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: Fake Yeah that why wouldn't so.

1287
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 4: The heavish jacket in the world.

1288
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is funny. It's also very funny to me.

1289
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's horrible, but like he has people killed

1290
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: and tortured for using the word bottle cap.

1291
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 4: That is insane. That is an insane thing to do.

1292
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 4: Then will literally.

1293
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 3: Torture people instead of just collecting bottle caps and going

1294
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 3: to therapy.

1295
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: It is. It's also this weird pattern with Truhio where

1296
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: there's so many aspects of him that are like related

1297
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: to things every dictator does, but just twisted in a

1298
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: weird direction. Like Joseph Stalin has like people air brushed

1299
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: out of pictures and shit, you know, once he has

1300
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: them killed in order to hide that they ever existed.

1301
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: Raphael does the same thing with the colloquial term for

1302
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: bottle cap. Like that's such a weird anyway, and like

1303
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: so unnecessary. Yeah. Yeah. Also, like it's like it's pretty

1304
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: normal in this in the Dominican Republic, and I think

1305
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: elsewhere for kids to collect bottle caps, like it's not

1306
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: a great shame, but it makes this it's a thing

1307
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: that a poor kid does. Rich kids are not collecting

1308
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: bottle cap you know. And he doesn't want people to

1309
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: think that about him.

1310
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 3: I think it's cute. I think it's cute that he

1311
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 3: was collecting bottle caps. That he was beating up people

1312
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 3: and getting his brothers to hurt people to get bottle

1313
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 3: caps well charming.

1314
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: You know what, kat, When I sacrifice a ram tonight

1315
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: in order to commune with the deceased soul of Raphael Trueel,

1316
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: I will let him know that you thought that was cute,

1317
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1318
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 4: And then he's in a torture me until eternity.

1319
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: No, he's dead now. All he can do is like

1320
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: knockover trinkets on your wall.

1321
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 4: I don't have any bottle caps from knockover. Reason to

1322
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 4: be disappointed.

1323
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: He's gonna be pissed. So as as the forties become

1324
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: the fitties, true Heo grew increasingly comfortable in his role

1325
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: as dictator. He built a rigid schedule for himself, one

1326
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: that assured he was awake every day at five am

1327
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: and followed the exact same route every day in his routine.

1328
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: This would eventually be the death of him, but for

1329
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,479
Speaker 1: a while it works pretty well. After his early evening walk,

1330
01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: he often had a driver take him around in a

1331
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: small car through the streets of the capitol, always without escort,

1332
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: usually without bodyguards. Some of this is that, like he

1333
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: just has that much faith in the system he's built

1334
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: to protect him, and it works for like thirty years,

1335
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 1: Like he has legitimately built, like done such a good

1336
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: job of kind of cracking down on resistance that for

1337
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: the most part this works for him.

1338
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,759
Speaker 4: So do the peasants still like him?

1339
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: A lot of them do. I don't, like, there's no

1340
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,799
Speaker 1: pole data, right, but he does seem to be pretty

1341
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: popular for most of his reign with the peasantry. And

1342
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: when he has resistance and shit, when he's finally killed,

1343
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 1: it's not the peasants that do it, right, it's the

1344
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: kind of like upper middle class to rich families and stuff,

1345
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: these families who had maybe more power before he got in.

1346
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: That's it's like the elites were. Resistance to his regime

1347
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: primarily comes from so yeah esplay and his early biographers

1348
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: often describe him as having a lot of dates with girls.

1349
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: This like that's also a major part of his his

1350
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: day to day schedule. Obviously, women are being induced to

1351
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 1: sleep with him through direct threat, but it's it's generally

1352
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: enough to know that, like while the old man wants

1353
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: your company, and you can either have this be a

1354
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: violent process or you'll get something out of it at

1355
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: the end, right, like normal dictator stuff, not to you know,

1356
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 1: wash over it. There's just not a lot of direct detail.

1357
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: But this thing that's happening, I think he I believe

1358
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: he has a number.

1359
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 4: Of kids, like a wife or like an air parent.

1360
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, well that the air thing is

1361
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: more complicated. He kind of goes back and forth somewhat,

1362
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: but like, yes, to an extent, he attempts to do that.

1363
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: So yeah. A good example of the stakes here, you know,

1364
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 1: of being one of the women that he is pursuing

1365
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: is the case of Maria Mercedes Merabal. She was an

1366
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: upper class woman who married into a family that was

1367
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: anti true heel and was committed to the underground resistance

1368
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: efforts to his regime. Right, So these are elites, These

1369
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: are wealthy people who are trying to fund and carry

1370
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: out resistance to eventually force Trueio out of power, and

1371
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 1: she marries into a family doing this. So, because she

1372
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: is in the upper crack class, she's rich. She's still

1373
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: attending social events where Trujillo is present, right, and at

1374
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: one of these dances, he makes sexual advances towards her, and,

1375
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: fully aware of how dangerous this is, she slaps him.

1376
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: Now that's pretty baller. But also there are going to

1377
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: be consequences for slapping the dictator, right, yeah, because he's

1378
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: the dictator in this case, she spends a little bit

1379
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,799
Speaker 1: of time in jail. He puts her father in prison

1380
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: for two years, and because he's an old man, he's

1381
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 1: basically starved and tortured and then released and dies pretty

1382
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: much immediately after getting out of prison. Now that makes

1383
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 1: Maria angry. Probably don't need to belabor that point. So

1384
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 1: she and her sisters Patria and Minerva start to organize

1385
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: together and they create the nexus of an underground movement

1386
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: aimed at ousting Trujio from power. They came to be

1387
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: known as the Butterflies or Las Matoposas, and they were

1388
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: a major part, like a nexus of the underground resistance

1389
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: to the regime until in nineteen fifty nine, a group

1390
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: of Dominican exiles try to overthrow the government. This had

1391
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 1: happened a decade earlier, right, a bunch of like Dominicans

1392
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: who'd been forced out by Trujeo came in with guns

1393
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 1: to try to overthrow the government. But when this cracked out,

1394
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: or when this insurgency in nineteen fifty nine gets defeated,

1395
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,919
Speaker 1: there's a crackdown and it's so brutal that it convinces

1396
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: the mariposas they have to accelerate their plans to force

1397
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: Truio out, so they start planning to assassinate the president. Unfortunately,

1398
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: they get caught. Trueo's secret services are competent, they're good

1399
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: at what they do. They uncover evidence that this is

1400
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 1: being planned, and you know, sexism being what it is.

1401
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 1: trueO arrests their husbands and throws them in prison. Right,

1402
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: so the Marabelle sisters are stay out of jail for

1403
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: a while. They actually travel up to visit their husbands

1404
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: who are in jail as they're kind of like waiting

1405
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: to be sentenced, and then on their way back into

1406
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:19,440
Speaker 1: town from this visit. On November twenty fifth, nineteen sixty

1407
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 1: Trueo's men ambush them on a rural mountain road, forced

1408
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 1: them out of their car, and beat all of them

1409
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: to death. This is a very famous moment. It's kind

1410
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 1: of it catalyzes a lot of the resistance Hero's regime.

1411
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: Their Mariposas are still celebrated today for their role in

1412
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: the resistance. This is like one of the really searing

1413
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 1: moments of Trueheo regime. For obvious reasons.

1414
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 4: Was it in like the Dominican press at all? No?

1415
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 4: Or was that suppressed?

1416
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, I think this is the kind of

1417
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: thing that spreads primarily through the conversations in the underground,

1418
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 1: I believe, if I'm not mistaken. Truhio's regime tries to

1419
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: claim that it's like bandits or something. You know who

1420
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: doesn't so there is some news about it. But Trujillo's

1421
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,719
Speaker 1: regime has its secret police, which initially is a military unit,

1422
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 1: but in nineteen fifty seven he creates a civilian led

1423
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: intelligence directorate loyal to the dictator, specifically to watch the military.

1424
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: This is normal shit. You know. He's got like his

1425
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: famous prison where he tortures people, right, He's got his

1426
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: secret police who do normal secret police shit. That is

1427
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 1: all what every dictator is. I think we have talked

1428
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: enough about that that I'm not glossing it over. What

1429
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: I think is interesting because it's very different from a

1430
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: lot of dictators I've read about, is what actually keeps

1431
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: him in power is not just terror. At the same

1432
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: time as he is building this very traditional repression apparatus,

1433
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: he is also systematically extending himself into every major industry

1434
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 1: in the country. He is nationalizing a number of foreign businesses,

1435
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: and he makes himself and his family the center of

1436
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: the entire economy. By the nineteen fifties, most Dominican peasants

1437
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: are in some way employed by the Trujillos, and so

1438
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,879
Speaker 1: that's how they make their living. Right, It's directly connected

1439
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 1: to this family, how because they control every industry. If

1440
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: you have a job in the dr it's probably through

1441
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 1: a company that they own, one way or the other. Right,

1442
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: in addition to handing out jobs in the government through patronage,

1443
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: he's a lot.

1444
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 4: Slicker than like a lot of other dictators. I feel

1445
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 4: like they get sloppy.

1446
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: Around your ten He's very smart, and he does get sloppy.

1447
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 4: He gets sloppy with like the genocide inconsistent, but like

1448
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 4: it's smart. He's still doing moves to keep peasants on

1449
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:30,839
Speaker 4: the side.

1450
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's very Yeah, he is a very he's

1451
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: a methodical thinker. Yeah, in a way that a lot

1452
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 1: of dictators they're like like possibly, you know, carrying out

1453
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: that genocide. There are these moments where his kind of

1454
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: passions carry him, but he thinks through what he's doing

1455
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 1: to a significant extent. And I'm going to quote again

1456
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: from Lauren Derby's book The Dictator's Seduction, which I really

1457
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: do recommend. It's a great book about Truheo. He then

1458
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: fashioned all public works, policy, formation and patronage is personal

1459
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: gifts from the dictator to the pueblo or people. With

1460
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: his family and a few close friends, Trujillo used the

1461
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: state to develop a system of highly profitable economic monopolies.

1462
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: As he gradually took over all core national industries such

1463
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 1: as meat, milk, sugar, rice, oil, cement, and beer. He

1464
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 1: then used the law to guarantee their profitability and allocated

1465
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: state contracts to his family and cronies. For example, he

1466
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: prohibited the production of sea salt, so the public would

1467
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: have to purchase salt from the Baharuna Mines, which he controlled.

1468
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: His wife, Maria Martinez, was allotted a government bank for

1469
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,799
Speaker 1: casing state paychecks. Trujillo's sister's husband was given the military

1470
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:40,879
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical contract, a highly lucrative enterprise given the massive expansion

1471
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: of the armed forces. In this extreme example of prebndalism,

1472
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: the appropriation of the state for private ends, the state

1473
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 1: became an instrument that guaranteed flows of profit to Trujillo

1474
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 1: and his circle. Trhi eventually became one of the wealthiest

1475
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: men in Latin America. Under his regime, there was no

1476
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 1: effective distinction between the national treasury and the dictator's own purse.

1477
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: He also used the state as a legal screen which

1478
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: shielded the public from the regime's extraordinarily lawlessness and corruption.

1479
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 1: He enabled his own divorce, for example, by altering divorced legislation,

1480
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: and this is very effective. This is a big part

1481
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: of what allows him to maintain power. It is also

1482
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: going to be part of his downfall because where this

1483
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: leads is the nationalization by trueO of foreign owned businesses,

1484
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: including businesses owned by Americans. Right, so he is kind

1485
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 1: of taken. He is reducing our ability to profit. Now

1486
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: we had been on his side and had helped fund him,

1487
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: had given him more loans, had given him weapons through

1488
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: the early stages of the Cold War. Because he's an

1489
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 1: anti communist. Right now, our support of Truhio, to be fair,

1490
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: is not rooted in anti communism because of how long

1491
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: this guy is in power. It goes back further than that,

1492
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: right But once the Cold War really gets going, he

1493
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: re fashions himself as an anti communist. Some of this

1494
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: came naturally to him. He and Castro hate each other.

1495
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 1: So in nineteen fifty six, when Castro is planning his

1496
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: revolt against Batista, Trujillo had offered the Batista regime military

1497
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:14,879
Speaker 1: supplies that didn't wind up working out for Batista. Castro

1498
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: overthrows Batista. And in nineteen fifty nine, when that Dominican

1499
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: exile force had attempted to overthrow the Trujillo regime, a

1500
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: lot of the guys who go in with that are Cubans.

1501
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: Like the Cuban government is arming, like it's a little

1502
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 1: bit their bay of pigs, right, is trying to overthrow

1503
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:39,600
Speaker 1: Trujillo's government. Obviously not a bad thing to want to

1504
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: overthrow the Trujillo regime. I'm not really being critical here,

1505
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: but it is a big part of why Castro supports

1506
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: this is because Trujillo had tried to stop him, right like,

1507
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 1: so these guys have a little bit of like a

1508
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 1: thing going on. Trujillo responds to this by plotting his

1509
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 1: own invasion of Cuba, which would not have worked and

1510
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: never winds up panning out. So he constant compensated by

1511
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: having his men loot the Cuban embassy in Trujillo the city,

1512
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: which is what he's renamed the Capitol right. Raphael also

1513
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: had a long standing rivalry with Romulo Bettencourt, the president

1514
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 1: of Venezuela. In nineteen fifty one, one of his men

1515
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: had tried to kill Bettencourt when he visited Havana by

1516
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: stabbing him with a poisoned syringe. This led to some

1517
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: understandable anger by Bettencourt against Trujillo, and so Bettencourt started

1518
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: publicly accusing the Dominican dictator of being a crooke and

1519
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: a gangster, which is not wrong here. So Trujillo, now

1520
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 1: that he's been insulted, tries to blow up Bettencourt with

1521
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: a car bomb, and Bettencourt survives with severe burns. Now,

1522
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: all of this is fine, dictator on dictator violence, no

1523
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: problem either way here. Really it's just fun to read about.

1524
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: But by nineteen sixty the United States is starting to

1525
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: get pissed off. Eisenhower considered the attacks on Bettencourt to

1526
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: be the last straw and was somewhat confusingly convinced. Like

1527
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: Eisenhower's worry and why he's like allows the CIA to

1528
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: try to overthrow Trujillo is he's he's convinced that Trujillo's

1529
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: going to turn the Dominican Republic into a fortress for communism,

1530
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: which is completely illogical. I think it might have been that,

1531
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 1: like he thinks that Trujillo is so out of pocket

1532
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: that he's going to create a revolution and then the

1533
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: communists will get in power. Oh okay, yeah, because he's

1534
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: like he's so bad at being like He's like, I

1535
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 1: think this guy is out of control now, and I

1536
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: don't want him to be replaced by communists. He is.

1537
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't see much evidence that the Communists were ever

1538
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: likely to take over. I don't think they could have

1539
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: done worse than Truio, but I just don't think that

1540
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 1: that was really likely but that Eisenhower is convinced of

1541
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: that in any case, so he tells the CIA to

1542
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 1: help the anti Trujillo underground do a coup. Now, I

1543
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 1: will say, of all of the coup is that the

1544
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: US has backed. I don't really have a problem with

1545
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: trying to kill Raphael Trujillo, right, Like I'm not don't

1546
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: have a super big issue with it. But we're bad

1547
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: at this, like we usually are when we try to

1548
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: do cus right, Like, we're pretty dog shit at this

1549
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: stuff for the most part. And it is a messy process. Now,

1550
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: part of why it's messy is just the fact that

1551
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: Eisenhower kind of approves trying to do this, but he

1552
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 1: does it right at the end of his administration, and

1553
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: then the Kennedy administration, and so it's just chaotic, right,

1554
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: We're changing administrations and this kind of get lost in

1555
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: the mix. And then right when we start, so Kennedy's

1556
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: people do send a bunch of guns, like a bunch

1557
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: of rifles over to some Dominican dissidence to assassinate tru Heio.

1558
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: But like a week after we give them guns, the

1559
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 1: Bey of Pigs happens. And again there's just not a

1560
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: lot of focus on follow up. We kind of hand

1561
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 1: them some guns. We fuck up overthrowing the Cuban government. No,

1562
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 1: we're terrible at that. It's just no one's priority, you know.

1563
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: It's it's one of those kinds of things.

1564
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 4: We can't let them go to the crime. Yes, so

1565
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 4: it's just like you know.

1566
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: Whatever, Yeah, well, whatever happens, you know, we're gonna go back.

1567
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: Really this thing. Yeah, you got to remember here, everybody

1568
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: in the JFK administration is on fuckloads of amphetamines right now.

1569
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: So it's hard to focus, you know, or it's easy

1570
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 1: to focus, but it's easy to lose track of stuff.

1571
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, they talk about how they want to open a

1572
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 4: bar together.

1573
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm going to quote from

1574
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: a write up by the Warfare History Network about what

1575
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 1: happens next. In February fifteenth, nineteen sixty one, Secretary of

1576
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: State Dean Rusk sent a letter to President Kennedy informing

1577
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: him of the developments regarding the Rafael Trujillo assassination plots.

1578
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: It read, our representatives in the Dominican Republic have at

1579
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 1: considerable risk to those involved, established contacts with numerous leaders

1580
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: of the underground opposition and the CIA has recently been

1581
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: authorized to arrange for delivery to them outside the Dominican

1582
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 1: Republic of small arms and sabotage equipment Now equipment sat

1583
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: like bombs and ship you know.

1584
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1585
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 1: Sorry. After the Bey of Pigs disaster, the Kennedy administration

1586
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: tries to convince the dissidents not to kill tru Heio,

1587
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 1: as the political climate was not conducive at that moment. However,

1588
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 1: the machine guns were dispatched to the US consulate and

1589
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 1: we're taken into possession. Two days before Truhio's murder, Kennedy

1590
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: sent a cable to Dearborn informing him that the United

1591
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 1: States did not condone political assassination in any form and

1592
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: that the United States must not be associated with the

1593
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:33,680
Speaker 1: attempt on Truio's life. So I will say, we're this

1594
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: is like the one time where we tried to assassinate

1595
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: a guy and it was like, yeah, I probably should

1596
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 1: have gotten got but we immediately try to get out

1597
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 1: of it, like we do machine guns.

1598
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.

1599
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: Please get get it.

1600
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 4: You could use it for something else, like use it

1601
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 4: some art.

1602
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, we don't like this. We're not part of the

1603
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 6: throw the sea with the others again. Can I don't

1604
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,600
Speaker 6: know how much experience you have with dissidents, but historically,

1605
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 6: when you give them a bunch of guns, they're gonna

1606
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 6: use them. Right, It's kind of what everyone knows about dissidents. Bulletles,

1607
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 6: that's right, that's right, all those dissidents you're arming. So

1608
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,919
Speaker 6: in the end, it was true Hello's iron rigid schedule

1609
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 6: and his habit of driving around without guards that would

1610
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 6: do him in. On May thirtieth, a group of assassins

1611
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,679
Speaker 6: armed with US guns waited by the route they knew

1612
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 6: the dictator would take from his girlfriend's house to the Capitol.

1613
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 6: When Trujillo's car approached, they opened fire. You know, they

1614
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 6: wound him.

1615
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: His his his driver response returns fire, so does tru Heio.

1616
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: He like gets out of the car with a gun,

1617
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,640
Speaker 1: but some of the assassins double back and they just

1618
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,799
Speaker 1: they gun him down and he dies on the spot.

1619
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: They throw his corpse in the trunk of a car,

1620
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,799
Speaker 1: and they like park it outside the American Consulate because

1621
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 1: they don't really know what to do after that point, right, Like,

1622
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: uh shit, what do we do with this guy? Fuck?

1623
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 4: I guess this is logical. Just throw this see, man,

1624
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 4: that's what we've been doing this whole time.

1625
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 1: You can't throw them in the sea. Now the assailants

1626
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 1: like fleet at this point, and some of them do survive.

1627
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 1: I actually read an we know who they are? Yeah, yeah,

1628
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 1: their names are their heroes now, oh yeah, we actually

1629
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,839
Speaker 1: I read an interview with like one of these dudes

1630
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 1: who was like alive pretty recently and was like, yeah,

1631
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 1: I have I still have the shoes that I killed

1632
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: him in, and every year on the anniversary of his murder,

1633
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 1: I like put them on again just to like walk

1634
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 1: around down in my killing the president's shoes.

1635
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 3: I was looking at pictures of true hero and there's

1636
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 3: like this BBC article that I'm piking on now and

1637
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 3: it says I shot the corolest dictator in the Americas,

1638
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 3: And it's just like this really old dude.

1639
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and honestly, like what a flex being, Like, Yeah,

1640
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: killing the president's shoes. I put them on when I'm

1641
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: killing the president or just you know, having a walk about. Yeah.

1642
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 4: It's like people are like these are like my lucky boxers.

1643
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 4: We're like, this is my assassination, this is.

1644
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:05,719
Speaker 1: My shot president pants fucking dope, like really like like God,

1645
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: tear flex right there.

1646
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 3: I'm not saying assassinate anyone, but if you do, make

1647
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 3: sure your outfit is crush.

1648
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 1: You have a nice outfit and save the shoot well no,

1649
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 1: don't actually bad idea, burn everything you're wearing. I mean

1650
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: to assassination sense, right.

1651
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 3: Just make sure you get like hanged in like a

1652
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 3: cool outfit. The moral of the story is dressed well

1653
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 3: all the time.

1654
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1655
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 4: Also with Druhu, I do.

1656
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't use the word respect, but I

1657
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 3: like that he went out shooting, Like I appreciate that yours. Yeah,

1658
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 3: I mean he's like, after all these years, he's driving

1659
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 3: to his girlfriend's house and he gets shot, and he's like,

1660
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 3: fuck it got a gun somewhere.

1661
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does kind of scarface it a little bit,

1662
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 1: tries to at.

1663
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 4: Least, yeah, tries to. It totally feels Yeah.

1664
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 1: Now, the coup that these assassins had had like hope

1665
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: that there would be a coup government and up they

1666
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 1: would overthrow. That does not really happen. Trujillo's son, Ramphis

1667
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: takes over their presidency and gets rounds up a lot

1668
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,879
Speaker 1: of these guys and a lot of their friends and family.

1669
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: He kills a bunch of people. He feeds some of

1670
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: them alive to sharks. Rampis sucks os so is not

1671
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: in power long right, because Trujillo Raphael Trho, pretty smart dictator.

1672
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 1: Ramphis again up for one thing, you just know by

1673
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: that name, he's not right.

1674
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 4: There's never going to be another president and it's not

1675
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 4: spelled the way you know.

1676
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: And so within a couple of months he's got this

1677
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 1: power struggle with a jou Joaquin Bellagher, who is another

1678
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 1: Dominican politician, and uh, it just doesn't work out. There's

1679
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:52,679
Speaker 1: a bunch of rioting in the streets, and Ramphis winds

1680
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 1: up fleeing the country with a bunch of stolen money,

1681
01:26:55,479 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 1: uh and and never comes back. Yeah, you know, there's

1682
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: more riots and stuff in his wake. The American embassy

1683
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 1: becomes convinced that the Communists are going to take over

1684
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 1: the country, and so LBJ sends twenty two thousand American

1685
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 1: troops to restore order. Yeah, there was no communist revolt,

1686
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 1: This was never a real threat. But we wind up

1687
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:17,520
Speaker 1: there again.

1688
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 4: Or like no.

1689
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 3: Ramphis Also, I just looked at Ramphis on his Wikipedia page.

1690
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if you looked at this, but some

1691
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 3: say that his dad made him a brigadier general at

1692
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 3: the age of nine and also a colonel when he

1693
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 3: was four.

1694
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's classic dictator stuff.

1695
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the equivalent pay and privileges of being a colonel.

1696
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 4: He was like, I'm a doctor, you're a colonel.

1697
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yep. And he doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't

1698
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 1: live that long. He dies in sixty nine, thankfully.

1699
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 4: So that's how long are we in the Dominican Republic

1700
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 4: after that?

1701
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 1: Not that long, I don't think, but also, you know,

1702
01:27:55,600 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 1: to an extent kind of forever too. Yeah, that's story

1703
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: for another day though, what happens next. But you know,

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01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 1: I think the important thing to take out of this

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01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 1: is that when the US gets involved in your country,

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01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 1: it always ends well, and it always ends cleanly. We're

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01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: not just like back again and again over and over again,

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01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 1: like fucking shit up with guns and you know, backing dictators.

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01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 1: That never happens. Like we're we come in clean and

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01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 1: we come out clean.

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01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 3: That's when you depose the dictator of the country, we'll

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01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 3: back you up. You don't just leave him in the

1713
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 3: trunk of a card for the embassy.

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01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 4: You know we're there.

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01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 1: It's oh man, it is funny, good stuff. So that

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01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 1: was bad raphaeol truheo. Bad us involvement in his dictatorship.

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01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 1: Also bad us involvement after his dictatorship not great.

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01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, as far as dictators go, there were

1719
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 3: like a bunch of little twists, like he did everything

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01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 3: just slightly.

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01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,440
Speaker 1: Differ interesting dictator.

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01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 3: Interesting dictator for sure, Like he followed a lot of

1723
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 3: the formula, but he was like, I gotta do it

1724
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 3: my way.

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01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's a little bit like, you know, like

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01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 1: the Bloodhound Gang, right, Sophie, come on, we all we're

1727
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 1: all big fans of the Bloodhound Gang. He's a little

1728
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 1: bit like.

1729
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 4: The third Property brother.

1730
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 3: You know, he looks like the other Property brothers, but

1731
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 3: they just got a.

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01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:25,799
Speaker 4: Little something different.

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01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, came a third basketball player. Do it? Do it?

1735
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 4: Do it?

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01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: Uh? Uh? The one?

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01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 6: You know?

1738
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 2: A third one? I know you do? You claim you're Jackson,

1739
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 2: You claim you're better at basketball, you say, Andrew Jackson. Well, Lebron, Lebron,

1740
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 2: thank you. I feel better.

1741
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:46,679
Speaker 1: Welcome.

1742
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 4: I just took like two and a half hours to

1743
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 4: get there. That was healing for me.

1744
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, that's good.

1745
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 2: Can't you have anything you want to plug.

1746
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I talk about right wing media and Fox

1747
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 3: News and commedia, just like all those assholes doing stuff.

1748
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 3: You can check me out on TikTok at Katamboo and

1749
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:07,799
Speaker 3: then same on YouTube.

1750
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 4: Whe I do long form content.

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01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 1: Sweet excellent. Well you can find uh me listening to

1752
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 1: the Bloodhound Gang, which I will be doing after this

1753
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 1: episode of our show finished.

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01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 5: Happy for you. You can find my book After the Revolution

1755
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 5: wherever books are sold, and you can find Rafael true

1756
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,799
Speaker 5: heio dead because he's.

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01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 1: Fucking got got oh yeah deadish ship. So yeah, you know,

1758
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 1: and uh you know, for those of you listening, I'm not.

1759
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:43,519
Speaker 1: I would never encourage anyone to assassinate an elected leader.

1760
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: But if you do, keep your shoes.

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01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 4: Keep the shoes, Yeah, keep the shoes, shoes.

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01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 1: You know.

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01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,840
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01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:00,360
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