1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Well, well, well, look at us. We're just about a 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: quarter of the way through the NBA season. 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: Some teams have fallen. 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Back to the back of the pack, while others like 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Milwaukee and Memphis are both on the move in the 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: right direction. But don't look now, Jack, I don't know 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: if you saw, but the Philadelphia seventy six ers. Yes, 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: they're on a one game winning hot streak of baby. 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: We're going to discuss that and the latest trends in 10 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: more with Calves podcaster Justin Rowan on today's episode. I'm 11 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: Miles Bray and I'm Jack O'Brien and this is Miles Miles. 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 3: Sez sorry, got it, look at the kitch ches. 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. 14 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: Indeed, driving Spinny Baby Fatter number eighteen. 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 4: That's Trench Secure the Suffox or NBA Champions over the 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 4: pubble team. 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: Justin Rohan, you host the Chase Down pod for the 18 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: Cavs organization, and iHeart podcasts. You are also this is fantasic. 19 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: Is so serendipitous because last week's game of the Week, 20 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,639 Speaker 1: the homework assignment we gave to listeners was we're watching 21 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: one game next week and all eyes are on the 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: Celtics at Calves. I hope everyone watched because we felt 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: this is aside from the other matchups, this felt like 24 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: a this was the test that we really wanted to 25 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: see this. Cleveland really got it. The Celtics continue to 26 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: just keep having it. But the game ended with a 27 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: fantastic win for the Caves one fifteen to one eleven. 28 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: I'm ecstatic. I thought that it's nice to see the 29 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: Celtics be mortal, and it was wonderful to see Darius 30 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:55,639 Speaker 1: Garland absolutely just shackled Jason Tatum in that fourth quarter. 31 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: It was fantastic to see. 32 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's exactly what he's known for, right clamping 33 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 5: down the larger wings. No, it's you know, it was 34 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 5: part of an interesting strategy and something that Carter and 35 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 5: I have advocated for for a while because I think 36 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 5: even dating back to the Knick series, the Caves would 37 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 5: kind of overreact to primary initiators right like that, you know, 38 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 5: they're throwing doubles, they kind of get out of their 39 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 5: their set defense and they scramble too much. And what 40 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 5: we've just kind of been advocating for is, you know, 41 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 5: stay home, trust, trust the back line help that you have. 42 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 5: You have Evan mobiley. You have Jared Allen there. You know, 43 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 5: if they are able to force a switch, take that switch, 44 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 5: and you know, just kind of play it straight up. 45 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 5: And I think when it comes to the Boston Celtics, 46 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 5: you know, despite the Cavs winning that game, I think 47 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 5: it's still fair to say that they're in a tier 48 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 5: of their own when when it comes to both the 49 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 5: East and the NBA overall. But I think the key 50 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 5: to beating them is kind of baiting them into their 51 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 5: worst habits. And if you can bait them into consistent 52 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 5: ISO ball and trying to hunt those screens and just 53 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 5: kind of count on your guys the whole up defensively, 54 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 5: I think that that is a strategy that can bear 55 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 5: some fruit there. I probably wouldn't advocate for as much 56 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 5: soft switching as they did in that game. I thought 57 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 5: they let Jason Tatum get to Darius Garland a few 58 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 5: too many times. But you know, Tatum went six for 59 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 5: thirteen with Garland on him in that game. I think 60 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 5: you live with that, with the majority of those being 61 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 5: two pointers. In the previous game, when Darius Garland was 62 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 5: defending those switches, I think it was like zero point 63 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 5: seven points per possession. 64 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: That Boston scored on. 65 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 5: That, which is the same as like an Icicle Coro 66 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 5: spot up shot in last year's playoffs, which everyone you 67 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 5: know that got so much attention for him being left 68 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 5: alone and him not shooting. Well, It's functionally the same thing. 69 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 5: So I think when you're dealing with a lot of 70 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 5: bad options, which is what you have to do when 71 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 5: you're talking about slowing down that Celtics offense, I think 72 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 5: that that is a potential way that you can go. 73 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 74 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 6: My advice as a Sixers fan to my the players 75 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 6: of my team is also to stay home. 76 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 3: But literally, I want, I want to say show. 77 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 5: Up, because that seems to be more of the problem 78 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 5: staying home. The problem is they are already staying home. Yeah. No, 79 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 5: I think I think they can stay home and we 80 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 5: can get Cooper flag. I'm just trusting the process. You know, 81 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 5: a lot of people are freaking out, and I'm just like, guys, guys, guys, 82 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 5: this is what we do. Baby lose in bunches. 83 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean they were really I mean they 84 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: were hunting Garland and yeah, it was nice just to 85 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: see him. Like I think after the game, Kenny Atkins 86 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: was like, dude, you can like you can do this, 87 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: like just step up and you. 88 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 3: Got this and sell were hunting Garland. 89 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, they got on the Christmas spirit, right, but like, yeah, 90 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 4: Tatum would have had four points in the fourth quarter 91 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 4: and was like I think minus thirteen. 92 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: Basically it was not a great moment. But also Donovan 93 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: Mitchell was it twenty in the fourth quarter. 94 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, which was big because he had you know, pre 95 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 5: consecutive terrible halfs. 96 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 97 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 5: You know, I think he went five of twenty three 98 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 5: against the Atlanta Hawks. And you know that post Thanksgiving 99 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 5: afternoon game. I think anytime you have one of those 100 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 5: afternoon games, especially right after a holiday, that can be 101 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 5: a perfect recipe for some weird things to happen. 102 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, but he had a very rough first. 103 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 5: Half against Boston, and you know, it kind of echoed 104 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 5: what we saw in that first matchup where he didn't 105 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 5: shoot well in the first half. But then you know, 106 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 5: I had a strong second half in Boston. He had 107 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 5: a strong second half in Cleveland, and he joined Michael 108 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 5: Jordan now as the only two players that have history 109 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 5: to average over thirty points per game against the Celtics. 110 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 5: You know, as great as the Celtics perimeter defense is, 111 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 5: Donovan Mitchell does seem to have success against them. 112 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, look at the first career. 113 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, Michael had thirty point seven, Donovan Mitchell thirty 114 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: point two, Luca twenty eight point nine, Kareem twenty eight 115 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: point nine, Lebron twenty eight point eight, Wilt Chamberlain. 116 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 3: Twenty eight point seven. And you're like, yeah, that's that's 117 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: it's a rare air up there. Yeah, you know that. 118 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 5: I always include him in that group, So it's fitting 119 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 5: to see him there. 120 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 6: Jordan was playing against like ninety like mL CAR Celtics. 121 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 7: You know, it wasn't it wasn't the cream of the crop. 122 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: YEA, yeah, I would say, like Kareem is probably more 123 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: of like a better comparison given you know that era 124 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: of Celtics playing for Mike. 125 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 5: You know they they moved the three point line closer 126 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 5: so you could shoot them there. 127 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: There's a lot of factors there. 128 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 7: That's right. 129 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 6: So I've watched the Calves mostly play the Celtics. I've 130 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 6: watched the two Celtics games that I've seen highlights. Their 131 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 6: ranked number one in the league and offensive efficiency, what 132 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 6: have they figured out this year offensively? 133 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 3: That? And like did you see this coming? This is 134 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 3: your chance to just lie, and so that you did. 135 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 6: Because, like, I don't know, I thought they could be 136 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 6: like better and maybe like a four seed this year. 137 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 6: I didn't see this being like the team to beat 138 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 6: other than the Celtics in the league this year. 139 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 5: But yeah, so great thing about podcast is you can 140 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 5: go back and listen to it. And I did say 141 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 5: coming into this year that I did think that this 142 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 5: was realistically the first season that the Cavs have had 143 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 5: with this group that they had a chance to win 144 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 5: a championship. I said, you know, it might only be 145 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 5: a five percent chance, and you know a twenty fifteen 146 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 5: Warriors type situation where you play four rounds and the 147 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 5: other team is missing their starting point guard in all 148 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 5: four rounds and you get some lucky breaks or whatever 149 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 5: to get there. But I did think that they were 150 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 5: going to be a whole lot better. And a large 151 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 5: part of that was I thought the leap that they 152 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 5: were going to make this season wasn't actually reflective of 153 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 5: where the team was at, because I thought it was 154 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 5: artificially deflated by last year, where you know, even in 155 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 5: the games that they had everybody, they weren't healthy. Garland 156 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 5: started the year with a hamstring injury and a shooting 157 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 5: hand injury. Mitchell had a hamstring injury. He missed the 158 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 5: entire post All Star Breaks stretch as well. You know, 159 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 5: karros laverdead injuries, mobilely missed time, were so banged up, 160 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 5: and I really kept pointing people back to, well, look 161 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 5: at twenty two to twenty three when they were healthy, 162 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 5: they had the seventh best offense in the league. They 163 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 5: had an elite defense, it just didn't translate to the playoffs, 164 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 5: and they were missing shooting. They brought that shooting in, 165 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 5: but they had a ton of injuries. So I thought 166 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 5: just getting back to where they were at in twenty 167 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 5: two to twenty three would have been, you know, would 168 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 5: have been a big leap. 169 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: From last year. 170 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 5: But I think the other factor is Darius Garland isn't 171 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 5: just back to where he was in twenty two to 172 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 5: twenty three. 173 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 3: He's taken a step beyond that. He's been a big. 174 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 5: Time difference maker and kind of that tie that raises 175 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 5: all boats on the offensive end. It was the same 176 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 5: thing when you look two years ago in that first 177 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 5: year with Donovan Mitchell, where when Garland was on the court, 178 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 5: they had a. 179 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 3: Top two offense in the league. 180 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 5: When he was off the court, they had a bottom 181 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 5: two offense in the league. So I think it made 182 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 5: sense that when he wasn't healthy for basically all of 183 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 5: last year, the offense was going to struggle a lot. 184 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 5: And I think the other difference is Evin Mobley's and 185 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 5: a big step forward and they're running more offense through him, 186 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 5: And you know, I think they've been building off a 187 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 5: foundation of what was there. I don't think the sets 188 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 5: are dramatically different, but I think there's a different level 189 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 5: of buying and the individual pieces are playing at a 190 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 5: higher level than they were in the past. 191 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 6: All right, yeah, so maybe i'll I'll maybe a three 192 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 6: seed I'll get I'll give you guys a three seed? 193 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 3: Yeah sure, why not? Mitchell? 194 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 6: So one big question that I have, like because I 195 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 6: root for the field against the Celtics, that's my main concern. 196 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 6: I would rather the Celtics lose than I would want 197 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 6: the Sixers to win. 198 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 3: Is true eating? 199 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 6: I respect that truly just a six human being. Mitchell, 200 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 6: I feel like has had a couple playoffs in a 201 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 6: row where he's like not consistently as dominant as you 202 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 6: might expect. Was he injured in these past couple of 203 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 6: playoff runs because he has been like in his earl, 204 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 6: the like Utah playoff runs, he was really like awesome 205 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 6: in the playoffs. 206 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 7: Like, how are you thinking about that heading into the playoffs. 207 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, So going. 208 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 5: Into last year, definitely, you know, as I said, he 209 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 5: missed basically the entire post All Star Break stretch. The 210 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 5: Cavs went eighteen and two into the All Star Break, 211 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 5: and unfortunately that was the last time we saw Donald 212 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 5: Mitchell in the regular season. The knee injury that he had, 213 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 5: the knee issue that he had prevented his movement and 214 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 5: you know, I'll honestly like, going into the contract talks, 215 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 5: the fact that Mitchell was able to be still pretty 216 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 5: effective as a score with some limited athleticism was an 217 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 5: encouraging sign. I didn't really know that he had that 218 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 5: in him. And you know, the year prior against New York, 219 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 5: I think he was mostly healthy. You know, no one's 220 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 5: one hundred percent going into the playoffs, but I just thought, 221 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 5: you know, the decision making wasn't particularly strong, the spacing 222 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 5: wasn't great, and you know, it just kind of all 223 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 5: fell apart, and you were going against a very good 224 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 5: defense in the New York Knicks, but I definitely think 225 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 5: that getting him healthy and keeping him healthy at the 226 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 5: right time of year has been a big focus. I 227 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 5: think that's why his minutes are way down and Kenny 228 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 5: Atkinson's using a nine to ten man rotation this year. 229 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 5: You know, even when you look from a touch a standpoint, 230 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 5: he's actually third on the team and touches, So it 231 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 5: really is, uh, we're getting you to finish plays this year, 232 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 5: and we're keeping your load a lighter and hoping that 233 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 5: that's going to bear fruit and that's going to allow 234 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 5: you to be healthier because you know, he was banged 235 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 5: up for a few of those years in Utah too, 236 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 5: where you know, some years were on, some years was off, 237 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 5: and I don't yeah, and I don't think it was 238 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 5: a coincidence that his best playoff run with Utah came 239 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 5: in the bubble where you know, they had time off 240 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 5: and he could go into that fully healthy. So I 241 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 5: think that has definitely been part of the mentality for 242 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 5: the Caves of all Right, we want Donovan Mitchell to be, 243 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 5: you know, at his best when we need it the most, 244 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 5: and the best way to do that is by you know, 245 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 5: empowering Evan Mobley continuing to run offense through Darius Garland 246 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 5: and get everybody else to the level where you know 247 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 5: he can kind of slot into his ideal role come 248 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 5: playoff time. 249 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 3: All right, I mean maybe it may be a two seed. 250 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 7: Maybe maybe I'll give you as a two seat. 251 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 6: Uh in our way, but we're we're pulling for you 252 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 6: out here and uh anti Celtics Land. 253 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 254 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I said, it was a delight. I needed 255 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: that to hop off my holiday weekend. 256 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 6: Should we uh, should we take a quick break and 257 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 6: come back and talk about the rest. 258 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 3: Of the league. Yeah, all right, we'll be right back. 259 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 7: And we're back. 260 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: We're back. 261 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 6: And there's been some movers someone even say shakers in 262 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 6: the league over the past couple of weeks. Some of 263 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 6: that a lot of people. This is my main theme. 264 00:12:53,440 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 6: I did not see this coming the podcast Who is 265 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 6: dumb and doesn't know anything about basketball? I did not 266 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 6: expect Orlando to be fifteen and seven and winners of 267 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 6: twelve of their last thirteen. That's wild with Paolo out 268 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 6: for the majority of the season so far. Yeah, but yeah, 269 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 6: I mean they're just like that. It's kind of partially 270 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 6: what we saw in the playoffs last year, where it 271 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 6: was like there's they are just. 272 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 7: A different thing. 273 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 6: Like their defense is such a weapon, Like it feels 274 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 6: like something you only see in like football, where it's 275 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 6: like when they're on defense, they're actually more dangerous than 276 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 6: when they're on offense because they're going to turn you 277 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 6: over and then get a you know pick six, the 278 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 6: best twelve version, you know, breakaway. 279 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: I was watching some of that Brooklyn game and then 280 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: there's one point where like Jalen Sugg just had such 281 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: a are like just all over, I forget who was guarding, 282 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: stole the ball, and then just ended it with a 283 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: three sixty dunk, and I was like, oh, like, you're 284 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: really on top. He kept looking around, He's like, oh yeah, 285 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: I got enough time for a three sixty. I'm becoming 286 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: such a Jalen Sugs fan. And it's not just because 287 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: we both have similar male pattern baldness, but it's because 288 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: it's nasty as a player. Although I shout out all 289 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: my players out there with similar male pattern baldness, but 290 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: maybe if he goes Derek White with it. 291 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: Then we'll know he means business. That's that's what we know. 292 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 6: God a great basketball player who goes full male pattern 293 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 6: baldness and leaves the hair on the sides would be 294 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 6: so dope, Like, oh, and he's like twenty seven and 295 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 6: just fully looks like a forty five year old in 296 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 6: the Simpsons, you know, just like. 297 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: A shout out Trey Young. 298 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: But I feel like that would be so dope. 299 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: No, I mean it is like one of those things 300 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: the same way like Michael Jordan was like, nah man, 301 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: you got to back your head at that point, like 302 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: and everyone's like, yep, those are the instructions. I do 303 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: want to see the guy who's like, nah man, just 304 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: let those let those sacks developed bite or your temples, 305 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: and that's what it's all about. Baby, that's that new swag. 306 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: You can't you're born with this. But yeah, he's he 307 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: is fantastic, and yeah, it's I yeah, obviously I think 308 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: we were both like, we'll see the magic could be great. 309 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: I mean, they added pieces like CACP and you're like, okay, 310 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: this could be something. But now that's it's fully I. 311 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 3: Didn't think it was going to be enough to be 312 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 3: this good. 313 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 5: But again, the funny thing is CACP hasn't been that great, right, 314 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 5: Like he's been okay for them, but it's not like 315 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 5: he's the one moving the needle. And I'll give a 316 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 5: shout out to my co host Carl Rodriguez because he 317 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 5: was saying after the playoff series last year that, you know, 318 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 5: the Cats going seven games with Orlando's probably going to 319 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 5: look a lot better when we look back at it 320 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 5: in the future, because Orlando was right up there in 321 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 5: the standings to throughout like the first half of last year, 322 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 5: and then injuries hit and they kind. 323 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: Of slid back to the pack. 324 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 5: But that's an elite defense man like Jalen Suggs, I 325 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 5: think is the best point of a tag defender in 326 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 5: the league. And you're right, like their defense really is 327 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 5: their offense. And I'm not surprised that they've been able to, 328 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 5: you know, continue to tread water and move up the 329 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 5: standings even without Polo, because that defense is so elite, right, 330 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 5: And when you're when you're making teams work that hard 331 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 5: to score every single bucket, it's going to wear them down. 332 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 5: It's going to make their defense worse because they're so 333 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 5: tired going up against your defense, right, So I think 334 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 5: it just gives them a really high floor. There's a 335 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 5: lot of talent there, there's a lot of length. They 336 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 5: beat the hell out of you, and like you know, 337 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 5: NBA seasons are so damn long, nobody wants to play 338 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 5: the Orlando Magic, like especially when a third game and 339 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 5: four nights or they're just going to beat the hell 340 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 5: out of you and it's no fun to play them. 341 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 5: And they're just you know, they're bringing something to the 342 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 5: table that you don't see most nights, and it doesn't 343 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 5: surprise me. I think that's definitely one of those teams 344 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 5: that's going to be around for a while with that core. 345 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean what happens when Poolo comes back? 346 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: I know you're talking off Mike de Lake. 347 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 6: Well, they're going to lose the game and everyone's going 348 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 6: to be like, see they're better without them. 349 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 7: Move Plo maybe to my team. 350 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, come on, by come on. But but yeah, 351 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you see that like managing that? 352 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: Do you think it's because it's like sort of an 353 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: addition by subtraction kind of thing, or do you think 354 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: they'll be able to maintain this balance with his return? Oh? 355 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 3: I think they'll be able to maintain this balance. 356 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 5: I mean their offense is just abysmal with Frons off 357 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 5: the court, and you know, Polo, let's not get a 358 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 5: twisted He's still the best player on that. 359 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 3: Team, you know. I he went down so early in. 360 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 5: The season, and their schedule was a little tough at 361 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 5: the beginning as well. That you know, sometimes we overreact 362 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 5: to the start of the season, like he even look 363 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 5: at the Milwaukee Bucks like they had such a bad 364 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 5: start to the year. But they played Boston twice and 365 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 5: they played Cleveland twice, like, you know, you lose those games. 366 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 3: It is what it is. 367 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 5: It's going to even out over eighty two, So I'm 368 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 5: not worried about that. You know, Polowe isn't why their 369 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 5: defense is great, like you know, but he's going to 370 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 5: elevate the offense and I think he's going to make 371 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 5: them a much better team and someone's going to really 372 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 5: hate playing them in the first round. So I'm happy 373 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 5: to see them move up the standings because I do 374 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 5: not want that to be the one eighth or the 375 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 5: two seven. But I'm continuing a penciling the Cows in 376 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 5: at number one because I'm a homer. 377 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 3: God I love Yeah. 378 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 6: Also, we should clarify first of all, because people are 379 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 6: probably distracted by how cool the way you say against us, 380 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 6: you say. 381 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 5: Against the Canadian Turettes comes through every now and then. 382 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 7: It's beautiful. Though. 383 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 6: It's like the Canadian word that I feel like if 384 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 6: if I could pronounce it that way, I would. 385 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 5: Really It's like the inglorious Bastards holding up three the 386 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 5: wrong way. 387 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 3: I can probably pass and then I say against it 388 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 3: and then. 389 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: Whiskey, Hey, what's what's this knit hat I have on? 390 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: It's a two. 391 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 3: It's a win. 392 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 7: Winter hat. 393 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: Long fu. Thanks to everything, Julie Newmar, a fantastic movie. 394 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 6: But I do also want to just clarify that you're 395 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 6: not from the city of Cleveland, so you don't have 396 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 6: that uh defeatism. 397 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 7: You know, you're I do. 398 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 5: That's what I do. That's what drew me to them 399 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 5: as a fan to begin with. And you know, Winnipeg 400 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 5: has its own curse sports history. We just lost, you know, 401 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 5: for our football team, just lost in the championship three 402 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 5: years in a row. Where so we're already the Buffalo 403 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 5: Bills of up North. So no, I'm I'm very familiar 404 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 5: with it. 405 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 6: But yeah, the Bills of the further north, right, the Bills. 406 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So I've got a healthy amount of that. 407 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 5: But for regular season, regular season, I feel good about 408 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 5: her her ability to to weather the storm. And uh, 409 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 5: you know, Boston, you get a little fat on your 410 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 5: success sometimes, and you know, guys like Porzingis are going 411 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 5: to need time off and whatnot. So I think the 412 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 5: Cats can do a decent job of holding on to 413 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 5: number one. 414 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 7: We're all rooting for you, baby. 415 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 6: It's okay if I call you baby, right of course, 416 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 6: as long as you do it softly like that. Yeah, 417 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 6: Harden put up thirty nine as the Clippers beat the 418 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 6: Nuggets over the weekend. The Clippers are seven and three 419 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 6: over the last ten and they're in sixth in the West. 420 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 6: A lot of people were counting them out, I think 421 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 6: heading into the season, and they. 422 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: Aggressively as a Lakers fan, but then man, Norm Powell 423 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: came back. 424 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: Shout out to my fellow bruin. 425 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 3: Norm Powell came back. 426 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: He looked really great in that game, and I was like, man, 427 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: I hate seeing the Clippers do good in their brand 428 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: new stadium. 429 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 3: And keeps talking about how cool Norman. 430 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 6: How would be a good name for the male male 431 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 6: pattern bald in this guy? You know yea. 432 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Norm rocking the norm? 433 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 3: Yeah baby, Oh yeah. 434 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 6: They're sixth the overall defensive efficiency with James Harden playing 435 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 6: a lot of minute, So hats off to their coaching 436 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 6: staff and just overall team and scheme twenty first in 437 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 6: offensive efficiency somehow. All right, Let's move on to the 438 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 6: seventy six ers of the Central Division, the Milwaukee Bucks, who, 439 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 6: similar to the seventy six ers, were seeing a real resurgence. 440 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 6: They've won six in a row, which is more than 441 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 6: the one in a row that the seventy six ers 442 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 6: have won. Ten they are, yeah, which if you think 443 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 6: about it, and then like a lot of ways is close. Yeah, 444 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 6: both teams are on a trend and never lose again, 445 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 6: thank you. It is at a certain point. Our winning 446 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 6: percentage is one thousand percent. So the Bucks are in 447 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 6: fifth place after a lot of people spent the early 448 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 6: part of the season clowning them, and they're looking more 449 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 6: like the team that I think a lot of people 450 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 6: expected them to be coming into the season. And yeah, 451 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 6: I don't know, eighth in offensive efficiency, sixteenth and defensive efficiency, 452 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 6: which they got some gaps there, but Giannis is still incredible, 453 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 6: and yeah, it feels like early days was was more 454 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 6: of like God, they're they're still feeling some things out. 455 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 7: They'll be all right. 456 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I think also there was a lot 457 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: of it was easy, especially from like my very narrow 458 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: Lakers perspective, it was very easy for us to be 459 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: like and Darvin Ham, see what you did over there, 460 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: Look what you did, and then you're like, nah, you 461 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: forget that. 462 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 2: They're actually pretty good. 463 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: And I know, Middleton being Middleton's still out right because 464 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: he got he does he did the double dip double 465 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: ankle double yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So I 466 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: mean there's still that, Like I feel like every season's 467 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: like and then then Chris Middleton will come back at 468 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: some point. 469 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 3: And then don't look yeah. 470 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: Yeah right right, but yeah, I mean were you were 471 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: you ever in I mean justin You're so smart that 472 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: you were even saying like, I mean, look it's eighty 473 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: it's an eighty two game season. Were like, no, it's 474 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: a six game season and they're at the bottom. 475 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I've been counting for as long as I 476 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 5: can remember, Man, I don't remember how many years. And 477 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 5: maybe I could learn how to count that, but yeah, no, 478 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 5: like I think they're going to end up being a 479 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 5: top five team in the East. 480 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 3: I worry a little bit about. 481 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 5: The playoff upside, Like I just think that the supporting 482 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 5: cast isn't good enough, and you know, the game gives 483 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 5: you a little bit of a target to attack on 484 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 5: the offensive end, right, Sure, Middleton will need to see 485 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 5: how good he is. Giannis has taken a little bit 486 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 5: of a step back defensively, but he's as awesome as 487 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 5: ever offensively. So I don't trust them as much as 488 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 5: I trust like, you know, obviously Boston, Cleveland, the Knicks, 489 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 5: even like I think that that the Knicks probably have 490 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 5: a little more playoff upside. But the tricky thing is, 491 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 5: it doesn't matter how your team's built. Sometimes when in 492 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 5: a playoff series, it comes down to who has the 493 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 5: best player. And the honest is still capable of being 494 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 5: the best player in any given series. I just don't 495 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 5: know if he can do it for straight at this 496 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 5: point and overcome all of it roster issues. But that's 497 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 5: also a team that I just wouldn't want to play 498 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 5: because I absolutely think that Joannis can can win just 499 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 5: about any series that he's in. Yeah, we call that 500 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 5: twenty eighteen Lebron syndrome, right where the team is very 501 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 5: flawed and you know, sometimes the best player is what matters. 502 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, right, It's really like a shame they I feel 503 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 6: like they could be near the top of the East 504 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 6: if Jiannis and Dama just worked out together over the break, 505 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 6: you know, they knew how many push ups the other one. 506 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 7: Could do have, we'd be good. 507 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: Who was faster and a dead sprint on the beach. 508 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 509 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 6: Other than the six or the other streak, that I'm 510 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 6: most excited about is the Grizzlies having won six in 511 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 6: a row, three seed out West, sixth in offensive efficiency 512 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 6: fourth and defensive efficiency, second in point differential in the West. 513 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 6: I just think the league is more exciting when they're 514 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 6: in the mix and near the top. And it hasn't 515 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 6: even been like Jo's been out for about half of 516 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 6: these games, but Triple J has been leading the team 517 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 6: in scoring and just a great defender. And yeah, they 518 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 6: were a lot of people's sexy sleeper pick coming in 519 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 6: for a reason. They've you know, well, when they have 520 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 6: jaw and everybody's playing, they're they're they're tough. 521 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they're you know, looking at Memphis as 522 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 5: an example is probably what Orlando is hoping for because 523 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 5: last year, with Job missing so much time, Jared just 524 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 5: got to like explore the space, right, like we often 525 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 5: don't have a full roster of NBA player, so we're 526 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 5: just going to have you go out there and lead 527 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,239 Speaker 5: the team in scoring and make mistakes and kind of, 528 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 5: you know, fool around. But now coming into this yere, Okay, 529 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 5: we've got you know, Bain's back jaw you know, has 530 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 5: been back at times, but it's a more complete roster. 531 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 5: And you know, as you said, he's still leading the 532 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 5: team in scoring, but he's not doing it as many shots, 533 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 5: right like, it's more efficient. And Orlando's probably hoping that 534 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 5: similar thing happens with Franz right like that it's time 535 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 5: to kind of that lead number one option is going 536 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 5: to help him settle into a more complimentary role in 537 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 5: the future and expand his game. 538 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, any teams that we want to call out for 539 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 6: being on a bit of a downward trend, I guess 540 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 6: the Phoenix Suns three and seven over the last ten. 541 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Lakers. 542 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the Lakers are five and five or 543 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 6: the last ten. It's not like A Well, I. 544 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: Think it's more like Ron He's in a pretty bad 545 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: cold snap right now, and I think that's kind of difficult. 546 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: It's also wow to be like the stats like he 547 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: hasn't scored this little point since his rookie year, and 548 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: he's like averaging. 549 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 2: Like twenty two at forty and you're like. 550 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a it's a shame the position. 551 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 2: That we're in with Lebron at the moment. 552 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: I just didn't I wish it didn't have to all 553 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: center around him because I feel like he's a competitor 554 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: and what like relishes that. 555 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 2: But also, you know, this is obviously a different era 556 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: for him, so. 557 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, but it never really to your point, it never 558 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 5: really shows up in the numbers because he's got the 559 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 5: ball so much. He impacts the game at so many levels, 560 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 5: right like the rebounding, the assists, all that. Even the 561 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 5: scoring is going to be there. But it's like there 562 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 5: were even times where it felt like he was coasting 563 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 5: and not playing well with the Cavs, especially in that 564 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 5: last year, and you couldn't point to the box score 565 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 5: because it's still, you know, as he said, twenty two, 566 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 5: seven and seven, and it's like, Okay, well, how much 567 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 5: can I really put on him? But you know, there's 568 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 5: just a different level when he has a rolling and 569 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 5: he's making that impact. But you know, I just I 570 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 5: think you hit the nail on the head where the 571 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 5: Lakers are still relying on him to be like a 572 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 5: certain level, and you know, it's just unreasonable to expect 573 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 5: at this point. 574 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: And I don't like getting I don't want to be like, 575 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: what's wrong with Lebron. I'm like, he is, he's in 576 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: the twilight of his career. Like, there's nothing wrong with him. 577 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: He performs at a certain level, and he performs well. 578 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: But I'm like, the front office is app it's malpractice. 579 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 6: I would say, I would just be constantly asking if 580 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 6: he's mad at me? If I was a part of 581 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 6: the organization, what's. 582 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 7: Wrong with Lebron? Is he mad? What I do? 583 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 2: Did I say something? 584 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: I mean, looking on I mean, like obviously, you know, 585 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: Lebron's here untill I think twenty five, twenty six, the 586 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: end of that season. But what what was life like. 587 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 2: In Cleveland both times he left? 588 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: What were those those in between years like that? 589 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 2: What was that effect? 590 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 3: Oh you mean like in the stretch Warriors in Miami? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 591 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 3: just like what was just seeing justice? 592 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: What was it? 593 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 7: And then what was it like when he went to 594 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 7: the Lakers. 595 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 5: I mean, it made me a better podcast, I'll tell 596 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 5: you that because you know, I never was sitting there 597 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 5: being like, oh, you know, this team's going to make 598 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 5: the playoffs even without Lebron, blah blah blah. Like I 599 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 5: didn't put the fly and blinders on to that extent, 600 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 5: but you know, in like saying, yeah, I think we're 601 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 5: going to win twenty two games this year. But here's 602 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 5: the reasons to care. Here are the reasons to be interested, Like, 603 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 5: here are the player development stories. Here are kind of 604 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 5: the trends that might mean something in the future. You know, 605 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 5: I think we were well ahead of the curve on 606 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 5: Darius Garland, or actually I should just say I was 607 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 5: because Carter kept comparing him to DJ Augustine. 608 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 3: But I like, you know, I was. 609 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 5: Like, look at this post All Star break stretch. Here's 610 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 5: how you can scale it up. Here's important things. The 611 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 5: high water marks are there, right, Like. I just think 612 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 5: that even with a lot of these rebuilding teams, there's 613 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 5: a lot of interesting stuff to talk about. And I 614 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 5: think I got a little bit lucky because in twenty eighteen, 615 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 5: I was like, you know what, I'm kind of okay 616 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 5: if Lebron leaves, like, let's just build something different. We 617 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 5: don't have any assets left in the cupboard. We spent 618 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 5: it all on this you know, four year final run. 619 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: It was great. I appreciate it, but at. 620 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 5: That time, I was like, I don't want the leading 621 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 5: segment of the jump every single beat day being the 622 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 5: Cavs are letting Lebron down, they are killing his legacy, 623 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,479 Speaker 5: blah blah blah, the need they need to trade everyone. 624 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 5: You know, the Lakers can do that and not have 625 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 5: it be you know, the leading subject like, you know, 626 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 5: they're not going to get slammed as an organization in 627 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 5: the same way. But I was like, let's just try 628 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 5: to build something different. Let's try to build something fun. 629 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 5: I was hoping for, you know, our version of the 630 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 5: grit and grind grizzly that's not going to be able 631 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 5: to get over the top. I think that this core 632 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 5: maybe has a little bit more potential than that. But 633 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 5: I'm enjoying the hell out of this run, and I 634 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 5: think it was a little bit of dumb luck that 635 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 5: the Caws were able to turn things around it as 636 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 5: quickly as they did. 637 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, the Lakers ever had like a gritty, grimy team. 638 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 6: It just feels like I can't picture it because it's 639 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 6: been a showtime since the eighties and then Kobe and 640 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 6: Shack and then like. 641 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 7: It's never been like the bad Boy Lost It. 642 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,239 Speaker 1: Years were not there. The del Harris ears were not 643 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: like that. I mean, ye, Van. 644 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 6: Exel was certainly like kind of had them for an edge, 645 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 6: but like, I don't think of the Lakers during that 646 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 6: time as being like, hey man, you don't want to 647 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 6: be playing them. 648 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 7: They're gonna come away from. 649 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 3: Better with bruises on a windy Friday night. 650 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, should we take a break and come back. 651 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 7: And round things out with the supposed to take a 652 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 7: podcast thing? 653 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 3: Mm mmm mm hmm. 654 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 6: Okay, well you asked for it, justin We'll be right back. 655 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 6: Did and yeah, baby back, yeah baby, Oh you were 656 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 6: just saying that. 657 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: No, no, I was just saying that Jabari was saying 658 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: in that text said the baby Lakers. 659 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 2: Were scrappy, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. 660 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 6: But the way there's come on, Jack, Muppet Baby was 661 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 6: there like a Muppet Babies spin off of the Lakers. 662 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 3: The Muppet Baby. 663 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: Anyways, it is time, that's right, the fourth quarter rapid 664 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: fire round of questioning justin Rowan, but before we. 665 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 6: Get to it, or maybe this can be one of 666 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 6: the round of rounds of one of the questions, we 667 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 6: got the game of the week. 668 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: No, no, actually I think maybe this is Oh yeah, 669 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: should we make that a question? 670 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? 671 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: Maybe, Yes, it's gonna be hyper brother. Oh my goodness, sir, 672 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: hold on to your tuk because it might blow off 673 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: from this high intensity speaking. We're about to hit you with. 674 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: This is time for the fourth quarter wrap a five 675 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: roundup question. 676 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: This is the fastest question answer podcast segment in all 677 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: podcasting history. I and Jack Jack and I. 678 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 3: Will ask you a question. 679 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: You respond as quickly as possible, as quickly as humanly possible. 680 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: If you do not, we will be that version of 681 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: rudeness that only Americans can. 682 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 3: Achieve to you. 683 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: So I just want you to be forewarned. 684 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: Are you ready to accept? 685 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 3: I'm ready. Fantastic. 686 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 6: We'll like try out being rude and then we'll like 687 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 6: apologize for it a little bit. 688 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was like, was that too hard? 689 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 3: Sorry? Was that hard? Sorry? 690 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 7: Is he mad at me? 691 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 3: Okay? O course, people don't even know about that. Is 692 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 3: he mad? Just ask him? Dude, I don't want to 693 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 3: ask Jack. 694 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 2: Do you want to start? 695 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 6: Oh? 696 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 7: I would love to start, Miles. 697 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 6: Okay, thank you so much for asking Hey, Justin Jack 698 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 6: from the podcast we've just been recording together. 699 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 7: Quick question. 700 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 6: So the Cavs Celtics game ended with a lot of 701 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 6: free throws seventeen and thirty four seconds. The final thirty 702 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 6: four seconds ended up taking close to a half hour, 703 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 6: and it raised this idea that's been tossed around, the 704 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 6: elam ending elam not elam musk, which eliminates the running 705 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 6: clock at the four minute mark of the fourth quarter. 706 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 6: From that point forward, the game is played to a 707 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 6: target score of seven points greater than the leading team's total. 708 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 6: So if Team A is winning one oh four to 709 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 6: one hundred with four minutes to play, the clock stops 710 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 6: and the game becomes a race to one hundred and 711 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 6: eleven points. I think we tried something similar with the 712 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 6: All Star Game not too long ago. 713 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, and it was fun. 714 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 6: It was like intense when it got down to it, 715 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 6: like this would eliminate all the you know, fouling to 716 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 6: try and get the ball back to hit a three. 717 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 6: What are your thoughts on an idea like this? 718 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 3: I love it, man. 719 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 5: I go to CBL games, the Canadona Elite Basketball League 720 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 5: Winnipeg se Bears flag rape behind me. They have been 721 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 5: doing this target score ending what they do, as you said, 722 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 5: at the four minute mark, they add nine points. So 723 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 5: it does have to be a maximum of three possessions 724 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 5: right where you could have the three three state to 725 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 5: go win it. But I love it. I think it 726 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 5: makes it so intense. I think it forces both teams 727 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 5: to continue playing real basketball. I've seen some wild comebacks, 728 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 5: I've seen some wild blown leads, and it's a lot 729 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 5: of fun, and every. 730 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 3: Game ends on a game winning shot. 731 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 5: It's a little anti climactic when there's fouls and you 732 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 5: know someone wins it at the free throw line, but 733 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 5: it's also anti climactic where eleven seconds takes a half hour. 734 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 5: So I think that the you know their strengths and 735 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 5: weaknesses on both sides from a history of the game standpoint. 736 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 7: I don't know if you can change it, but. 737 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 3: I do like the ilam ending. 738 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, it does eliminate my favorite thing where team's winning 739 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 6: by twenty and they have the ball and they're dribbling 740 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 6: it out and then they pass it to the rookie, 741 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 6: so he gets the turnover one time it expires, and 742 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 6: the best part about that is it doesn't actually get 743 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 6: attributed to either of them. 744 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 3: Right like it gets a traded as the team turn 745 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 3: it over. 746 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's the funniest thing, but they you know, 747 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 5: they don't recommend it. 748 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 7: Luck Yeah. 749 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, you look you look like a loser holding the 750 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 6: ball as things end. All right, great, great answer. Uh, 751 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 6: elam ending is the way it's pronounced, I'm told. Okay, Miles, 752 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 6: you're up. 753 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: Justin what is the best and the worst Calves jersey 754 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: from history? 755 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 5: Okay, so my favorite Calves jersey in history is the 756 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 5: the award to in the first Lebron era. It's like 757 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 5: the maroon one with the Calves hoop by logo. I 758 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 5: am a firm believer that the Cavs hoop b logo 759 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 5: is their best look and it's the best logo. A 760 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 5: new one's actually really grown on me. I like the 761 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,959 Speaker 5: updated hoop fee. But that that one with the gold 762 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 5: trim and whatnot, I think that was my favorite one 763 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 5: in history. The worst, I will say, is the gray 764 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 5: like good Year one that they had in twenty eighteen 765 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 5: or maybe twenty Yeah, I think it was twenty twenty seventeen, 766 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 5: twenty eighteen with the land on it. 767 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 3: The land I couldn't. I hated that jersey. That one 768 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 3: didn't land for me, didn't land for me. 769 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: And that is how there it is. And that is 770 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: the daily double. 771 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 3: All right. 772 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 6: We are doing a thing where we have a game 773 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 6: of the week that we watch and evaluate and you know, 774 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 6: do really advanced analysis from you because oh no, man 775 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 6: as soon like Yshall a free throws, Tatum soft dog. 776 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 6: But all right, so our options, We've got four candidates 777 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 6: that we would love. 778 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 7: For you to pick from. 779 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 6: So Thursday night, we got the Nuggets at the Calves 780 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 6: on it and it is on NBA TV. Friday night, 781 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 6: got the Bucks at the Celtics on ESPN. Saturday Grizzlies 782 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 6: at Celtics on League pass or locally Sunday, Rockets and 783 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 6: Clippers on League passer locally. 784 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 5: What are we picking here? I have a feeling. I 785 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 5: know it's gotta be Celtics Bucks on Friday. It's all 786 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 5: about the Cup, baby, NBA Cup action. You know, maybe 787 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 5: Milwaukee keeps that winning streak going into that game, but Jack, 788 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 5: we're rooting for Celtics losses here. Yeah, and I think 789 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,399 Speaker 5: it is only appropriate that matters more than some now 790 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 5: as good as Nuggets Gas is going to be on Thursday, 791 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 5: that's cross conference play. 792 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 3: And all all that stuff. We need to see Boston loose, 793 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 3: so for me to lose. Yeah, maybe we'll get a 794 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 3: fun Dame game. Maybe we'll get to see. 795 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 6: Janis turn back the clock and shred them. Maybe we'll 796 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 6: get to see Jason Tatum be a little bit soft 797 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 6: in the fourth quarter. Who knows. 798 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, or we'll go on us. Yeah, yeah, we'll see. Anyway, 799 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:57,760 Speaker 3: we'll see. 800 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: Last question for those who never got to see him 801 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: play in the Cabs uniform, just how out of this 802 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: world and different was Robert Tractor Trailer? 803 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 5: Oh baby, I mean Vancouver Chris Fludge right, yeah, yeah, 804 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 5: out of this world. 805 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 3: Man. I don't have a lot to add I don't 806 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 3: have a lot to add there, but. 807 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: I just remember he would come in and just like 808 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,720 Speaker 1: the lebron would be out there and then tractor Trailer 809 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: come in and then be like, Okay, who's getting absolutely bulldozed? 810 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: And that was always fun to see the recipes. Robert 811 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: Tractor Trailer. 812 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 5: We need, we need more guys with that body type 813 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,439 Speaker 5: out there, and I think that's one of the things 814 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 5: that the NBA is missing, you know, the ultimate player. 815 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's solid and male pattern baldness. That is that 816 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: is the alpha and Omegan. 817 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 5: Just supreme athlete and that's that's that's what we really 818 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 5: need here. You know, too much conversation about too many 819 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,879 Speaker 5: threes and all that kind of stuff. No, we need 820 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 5: more big bodied individuals, preferably ones that are bolding. 821 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, there it is. 822 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, well justin Rowan those were actually as we check, 823 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: I got that one right, you got that one? You 824 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: know that one right? 825 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 3: Answers? 826 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, because I'm an expert accounting, I 827 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 5: know that that's four correct answers. 828 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 3: There you go for four? 829 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,760 Speaker 1: Can I see? Can I see you put four fingers 830 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: up again? Oh? 831 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 7: He's Canadian? 832 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: Canadian who does it like this with their finger down? 833 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: What is this? 834 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 5: I'm trying to do it with like my pinky finger 835 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 5: down and I just like my hand can't do that? 836 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 3: Can You're just cramping? 837 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,800 Speaker 7: Yeah? 838 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining us on my 839 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: House and Jackot mad Boosties. Where do the people find you? 840 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: Follow you, support you and listen to you all that 841 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: good stuff. 842 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, you can find me on Twitter or at Blue 843 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 5: Sky at Kazanaa just slap the calves in Canada and 844 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 5: you'll find me there. You can listen to our podcast 845 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 5: wherever you found this podcast. We go live on the 846 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,799 Speaker 5: Caves YouTube channel twice a week during the season. And 847 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 5: you know where a fine podcast. That's where you find 848 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 5: the chase down. 849 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 2: So so do that there, you're doing it right now. 850 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 6: Podcast on to quote my parents, Well, and that's just 851 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 6: the internet. 852 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, what channel is that? Does it come with my 853 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: direct tv? 854 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,800 Speaker 2: You stop direct Tv? 855 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 1: So make sure you follow us at the hashtag mad 856 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: Boosti's b W S t I E s S show links, 857 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: updates and the ways to get into our discord server 858 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: shout of everybody in the discord. Make sure you follow 859 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: us on Twitter and Blue Sky. I'm at Miles of 860 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: Gray on both. 861 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 3: And me I thought that was too easy. 862 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 6: So on Twitter I'm Jack Underscore O'Brien, but on Blue Ski, 863 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 6: I'm Jack ob the number one dot the sky. That's 864 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 6: social and that's gonna do it. We nailed it again. 865 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 6: I mean, what is happening? 866 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 5: Swift perfect a streak that that the seventy six ers 867 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 5: are hoping. 868 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 7: To live in one in a row. 869 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,879 Speaker 3: Baby, we did it that way. We did it. 870 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening to us. We'll be back 871 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,280 Speaker 1: next week. It was more my Jack got bad Boost. 872 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 6: You see you that make sure you watch the game 873 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 6: of the week.