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Speaker 5: but uh, how was the game, gentleman, How was that

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Speaker 3: Trey Young is a magician.

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Speaker 7: He is clearly he was the best player on the

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Speaker 7: He was just the most talented floor and it's it's

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Speaker 6: He energizes that arena for sure, There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: He really is.

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Speaker 6: Like I think he's now more than just a flash

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Speaker 6: And you know, he finished five to ten last night.

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Speaker 7: From three point right. I have to guard him in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the craft is what's really impressive, I think is

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Speaker 6: They've definitely bummed out? Yeah, because you know, John is

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Speaker 6: But I think everyone just sort of felt like, you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Well, the right app in the athletic.

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Speaker 7: Actually, there was a medical expert who was as about it,

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Speaker 1: Well, weren't you the biggest baseball fan of your life

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Speaker 6: But that's a problem across old sports. I mean, because

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Speaker 7: Take, well, that's why this could be happening. Is is yeah,

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Speaker 3: Who the heck knows?

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Speaker 7: And you know, the Hawks apparently have no idea when

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Speaker 5: But you'd love to see Trey Young get some playoff reps.

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Speaker 7: It's it's not easy. These next twenty four games are

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Speaker 7: But uh yeah, they've they've there's a there's drop off

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Speaker 3: They got a road trip coming up. There's it's not easy, no.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, even even if John Collins was playing nothing, it

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Speaker 6: Yes, well, so the media seats for us down their

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Speaker 6: But what was interesting last night early on, Trey Lyles

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Speaker 6: That's an odd thing to chance to Trey lies because

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Speaker 2: But it worked.

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Speaker 6: He missed three or four throws, so you know what,

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Speaker 5: I got his head. He's like, damn man, that wasn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I applied.

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Speaker 7: The six man area or the six man crew for

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Speaker 3: But uh, I think they got to get a little

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Speaker 7: They chanted at Tomato rows in Toronto hates you.

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Speaker 3: That's wrong.

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Speaker 7: They love they love Tomorrow and it didn't it didn't work.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you suck. And they would do it for Al

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Speaker 1: Bros would apologize afterwards like you suck, not you, al

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Speaker 1: I mean, they got to do something. It's keeping the

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Speaker 1: When you're sitting in the press, it's gonna be the

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a Again, it has been a quiet arena,

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Speaker 7: Even in Atlanta, the first quarter was it was quiet.

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Speaker 5: Hawks bros. We sat in the hawksbros. Section before I

437
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Speaker 5: had a blast. You're right, they have great energy. There

438
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Speaker 5: is no doubt some of their chants maybe a little questionable.

439
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Speaker 5: But moving on here. Lebron's third consecutive triple double helped

440
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Speaker 5: the Lakers overcome a nineteen point second half deficit in

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Speaker 5: the one eighteen one to twelve victory of the Bulls

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Speaker 5: on Tuesday at the United Center. Trey Tray Tray, the

443
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Speaker 5: Bulls were looking amazing, man, and then the Lakers and

444
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Speaker 5: not I mean Lebron had an amazing game, for sure,

445
00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,720
Speaker 5: Adies struggled. They got to go in a little bit

446
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Speaker 5: late to help the stat line. But it was the

447
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Speaker 5: Lakers bench unit really of Quinn Cook, Alex Caruso, Troy Daniels,

448
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Speaker 5: Kyle Kuzma, and Dwight Howe that really ripped off, like

449
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Speaker 5: that fourteen o run there to start the fourth quarter

450
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Speaker 5: and get the Lakers back into the lead after being

451
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Speaker 5: down so big.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bros back home.

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Speaker 6: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was tough.

455
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Speaker 1: The Lakers were Lakers were down at the third quarter.

456
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Speaker 1: That's when the text messages start flying in the wat's

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Speaker 1: app thread.

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Speaker 2: Let's go Bulls. Here we go Bulls. I respond back

459
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Speaker 2: at nine to fifty five pm. Big bench. Minutes nine

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Speaker 2: to fifty eight pm, They've.

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Speaker 1: Completely blown the lead. With Ad and Lebron sitting out.

462
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Speaker 1: It was unbelievable, honestly, like Kuzma. Kyle Kuzma could barely

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Speaker 1: stand up in the first half of the game. The

464
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Speaker 1: guy was like falling down every time he was running.

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Speaker 1: He looked terrible. And then he scores ninth straight at

466
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Speaker 1: the beginning of the fourth quarter. They're going nuts. He

467
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Speaker 1: still looks completely out of it. He's like falling at

468
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Speaker 1: the rim, but they're going in now. For whatever reason,

469
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Speaker 1: Jim Boylan doesn't call a time out. He doesn't bring

470
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Speaker 1: in the starters until it's too late, and the Lakers

471
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Speaker 1: are on their run.

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Speaker 2: They're completely in a flow.

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Speaker 1: And then and then, not only did the Lakers get

474
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Speaker 1: a win over the balls that comeback, the balls cover.

475
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Speaker 1: So I love to pick a man. It was like

476
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Speaker 1: the worst possible scenario of all things. But you know,

477
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Speaker 1: I guess if you're a Lakers fan, you're happy because

478
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Speaker 1: you've got a team that can already flip the switch.

479
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Speaker 1: Two and a half weeks into the season, they played

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Speaker 1: hard for one quarter and it was almost a blowout.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it was after Anthony Davis hit that

482
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Speaker 6: corner three and the lead was like fourteen or something,

483
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Speaker 6: and there was a shot of Jim boiling on the

484
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Speaker 6: side and he was doing the like it's okay, it's okay,

485
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Speaker 6: everyone relaxed, calm down. It's like, what are you doing. Man,

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Speaker 6: You've just you're literally you've given up twenty five points

487
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Speaker 6: to two or something in this fourth quarter. You've blown

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Speaker 6: the lead, and you're just like, it's all right, it's

489
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Speaker 6: all right, we got this we got this. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: that was funny seeing, you know, because Lebron talked about

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Speaker 6: it after the game too with three D when when

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Speaker 6: he was asked about that bench in it, he was like, hey,

493
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Speaker 6: they had to perform because they weren't good in the

494
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Speaker 6: first half for us, and a great response by them.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean when when your bench unit is

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Speaker 6: doing that and then Davis and Lebron check in, man,

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Speaker 6: that's yeah to give up that run.

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Speaker 5: I mean, those are some solid players in there, you know,

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Speaker 5: Cook and Crusoe and kuz Win, Dwight. I get that,

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Speaker 5: and they're playing well right now. But yeah, that's uh, yeah,

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Speaker 5: what was Boiling doing. I mean he's just trying to

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Speaker 5: do the old Phil Jackson move of like, let's just

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Speaker 5: play it out, we'll get back, don't worry.

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Speaker 1: And then postgame he says he's accepting responsibility. He's like,

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Speaker 1: that's on the coach in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what would you do? Nothing?

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do anything different. I've had those guys out there.

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Speaker 1: They need to learn how to win. What are you

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Speaker 1: talking about?

510
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Speaker 2: Are you taking responsibility? Are you doing the same thing over? Personally?

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Speaker 2: I would have done something different. It clearly wasn't working.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Luke Cornette had two blocks on Anthony Davis

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Speaker 1: on a single play in the first half, but maybe

514
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Speaker 1: he should have came out eventually.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It was a you could just see the tides starting

517
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Speaker 1: to turn. I thought in the third quarter, Lebron had

518
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Speaker 1: picked up his intensity. He was getting deflections left and

519
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: right on the defensive end, bringing it back down uh and.

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Speaker 2: Putting pressure on the Bulls.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers weren't able to make a huge third quarter run,

522
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Speaker 1: but you could tell that they were more into the game,

523
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Speaker 1: they were more ready to play, and then when the

524
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Speaker 1: bench broke it open, the ball just couldn't do anything

525
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Speaker 1: to get back into a float. They their offense is

526
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Speaker 1: doing nothing right now. They can make some jump shots

527
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Speaker 1: sometimes last night they did, but it wasn't enough.

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Speaker 5: When the Lakers turn up their defense, and I know

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Speaker 5: it's against the Bulls here, but like in that second half,

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Speaker 5: especially in the fourth quarter, when they were going on

531
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Speaker 5: the run, it was pretty pretty incredible. I saw you

532
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Speaker 5: to People were tweeting like it felt like the Lakers

533
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Speaker 5: had six guys out there. They were just so so active,

534
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Speaker 5: And I think because you've got Dwight back there playing

535
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Speaker 5: the way he is right now, being the rim protector

536
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Speaker 5: that he is, like sort of the old like Dwight,

537
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Speaker 5: you can afford to be pretty aggressive out there on

538
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Speaker 5: the perimeter and get some of these deflections. And Cruzo

539
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Speaker 5: had the one where he got the steel and went

540
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Speaker 5: the other way for the end one, you know, flexing

541
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Speaker 5: and everything that Dwight is again, like he didn't his

542
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Speaker 5: box score doesn't won't amaze you last night, but he

543
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Speaker 5: did the little dirty things again and really I thought

544
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Speaker 5: was instrumental to the win, especially defensively, to then pair

545
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Speaker 5: with Kuzma and Cook knocking down threes.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, let's keep talking about Dwight while we can. Let's

547
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Speaker 7: just hope it doesn't fade away. He was awesome. And

548
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Speaker 7: Alex Caruso, let's keep talking about him as well. He

549
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Speaker 7: is their their bench instigator for that defense, the one

550
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Speaker 7: in the five, the point guard in the center of

551
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Speaker 7: the most important defensive spots. They get the energy going

552
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Speaker 7: big time and we'll probably see more of these defensive

553
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Speaker 7: I'm sorry, these bench runs and these bench tides where

554
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Speaker 7: they they turned guys over and that's where they're that's

555
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Speaker 7: where their best defensive lineups really and you know they

556
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Speaker 7: don't those two guys don't start the game, but they

557
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Speaker 7: come in and bust out the energy and then I

558
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Speaker 7: don't know if it's the effect of Lebron and Anthony

559
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Speaker 7: Davis have on guys down the line like a Quinn

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Speaker 7: Cook as you mentioned, you know, finally having a hot night,

561
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Speaker 7: but they feel like a championship team in a way. Uh,

562
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Speaker 7: And that's probably the Lebron and ad effect, and everybody

563
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Speaker 7: else gains confidence.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Lakers bench now outscoring opponents by five point eight

565
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Speaker 5: points per onessions. That's only second in the league to

566
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Speaker 5: the MAVs. You know, great reserves who are having a

567
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Speaker 5: lot of success early in the season. Lebron I said it,

568
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Speaker 5: there is line. I mean, he's third triple double in

569
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Speaker 5: a row. He's averaging right now twenty six point one

570
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Speaker 5: points per game, eight point three boards, eleven point one assists,

571
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Speaker 5: which leads the league the assesss and so I Kurt

572
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Speaker 5: wrote this at PBT. His advanced stat numbers are in

573
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Speaker 5: line with his MVP seasons right now that he had

574
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Speaker 5: in Cleveland and Miami. Lebron'm gonna win MVP agame here

575
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Speaker 5: is that one's in play.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if they keep on winning, then yeah, he's

577
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Speaker 6: definitely going to put himself in that in that conversation

578
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Speaker 6: because we kind of felt that he's probably missed that

579
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Speaker 6: opportunity of these last time.

580
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Speaker 5: Did you see his tweet basically retweeting the Lakers showing

581
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Speaker 5: his line and how greedy is still and he put

582
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Speaker 5: like something like washed king.

583
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Speaker 6: Well, you know, you know that he still wants to

584
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Speaker 6: win that award too. He's talked about he wants to

585
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Speaker 6: win more MVPs. He should. He feels he should have

586
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Speaker 6: won them, so it'd be a pretty nice thing for

587
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Speaker 6: him to win it at thirty five. I think Carl

588
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Speaker 6: Malone's the oldest MVP we've had. But yeah, I mean

589
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Speaker 6: right now, I mean six and one. That's the thing

590
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Speaker 6: with the Lakers obviously, if they if they win, I

591
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Speaker 6: think that's the thing. The Lakers need to win fifty

592
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Speaker 6: five to sixty games because if Lebron goes through his

593
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Speaker 6: mid season where he just goes on vacation for a

594
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Speaker 6: couple of weeks, he probably won't but you won't win it,

595
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Speaker 6: that is. But if they if they get up to

596
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Speaker 6: you know, that fifty five to sixty win bracket, then

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Speaker 6: it's going to be He's certainly going to be in

598
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Speaker 6: contention for it, no doubt.

599
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Speaker 3: But what about Anthony Davis.

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Speaker 7: He's been talking about Anthony Davis being in the conversation.

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Speaker 3: Then Ron comes in the conversation.

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Speaker 6: Well, the conversation is very big. We know a lot

603
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Speaker 6: of people that sit at that table and have the conversation.

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Speaker 7: But my interest with this team right now is Jean

605
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Speaker 7: Rondo has been out, hasn't played it a minute this season.

606
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Speaker 7: What happens when he comes back? Does he just got

607
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Speaker 7: Taker's starting spot back. I don't know that's gonna mess

608
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Speaker 7: with chemistry.

609
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think they want Lebron playing the point

610
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Speaker 6: from the start for sure, But closing games like last night,

611
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Speaker 6: they just give it to Lebron and say, all right,

612
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Speaker 6: you decide whether or not you're going to score or

613
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Speaker 6: just there was that one player I think you tweeted

614
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Speaker 6: at Trey it was to Anthony Davis in the corner

615
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Speaker 6: where the bulls were or just watching Lebron.

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Speaker 1: That one was Quinn Coke. Well, I mean Lebron was

617
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Speaker 1: just toying with the balls down the stretch. It was

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Speaker 1: like about one where he had all five looking at

619
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Speaker 1: him as he looked like he was gonna shoot fade

620
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Speaker 1: away in the lane, and then just whips it the

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Speaker 1: Cook for a wide open three in the corner. Quinn

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Speaker 1: Cook a career high fifty five thousand points last night,

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Speaker 1: of course. And then there was another one where Lebron

624
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Speaker 1: posted up on the right side of the court, just

625
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Speaker 1: kept dribbling, dribbling, dribbling, and then suddenly Wendal Carter just decided,

626
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Speaker 1: damn just gonna see what Lebron's doing, instantly to the coroner,

627
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Speaker 1: to Anthony Davis for another three. That was those two

628
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: kind of came back to back, and that was the

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Speaker 1: game moving on.

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Speaker 5: Here a couple more quick, sort of little tidbits here

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Speaker 5: about some of the games last night. The Hornet's got

632
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Speaker 5: the one twenty two to one to twenty overtime win

633
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Speaker 5: versus the Pacers. I don't know how much you guys

634
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Speaker 5: saw of this one. Devonte Graham he was special. He

635
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Speaker 5: poured in thirty five off the bench. That's the most

636
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Speaker 5: points by a non starter in Hornet's history, and the

637
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Speaker 5: most points by a reserve in the NBA this season.

638
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Speaker 5: But the game winning free throws he was awarded in overtime,

639
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Speaker 5: I thought was pretty questionable. I know Pacers fans are

640
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Speaker 5: upset definitely about the officiating in this game. Indiana was

641
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Speaker 5: outshot forty two to seven at the free throw line.

642
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Speaker 5: That's you don't see that too often in an NBA game,

643
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Speaker 5: But yeah, you're booing the call at the end there on.

644
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Speaker 5: Graham Task not a fan of that.

645
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Speaker 3: One, Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 7: I don't even think Charlotte Hornets fans would really be

647
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Speaker 7: a fan of that one.

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Speaker 3: That was a bad call.

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Speaker 6: It was late too, I mean that was the problem

650
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Speaker 6: with it. Like it was a late call and everyone

651
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Speaker 6: was like, come on, man, let them play. I don't

652
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Speaker 6: let the game get decided by that. But you know,

653
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 6: once the call's been made, well it was he just

654
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 6: sort of just threw himself into he was trying trying

655
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 6: to draw the content then and we know that that

656
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 6: gets called, you know, in minute twenty six of a game,

657
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 6: but you know, overtime like that. It was just it

658
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 6: was just a bad light call and it ended up

659
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 6: costing the paces of the game.

660
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 5: Gutsy call from James Brego though, to play Bismack Byambo

661
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 5: to start the fourth quarter, and it paid huge dividends.

662
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 5: BIZ was great in this game. You know, getting the

663
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 5: Hornets back into it. He had fifteen points, grab six boards,

664
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 5: helped foul out half the pacers. He was he was

665
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 5: really solid. It was weird to see Biambo contributing here

666
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen, but yeah, Devanta was great and pieces

667
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 5: had a lot of like strong performances offensively from Brogden

668
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 5: and TJ. Warren. But yeah, just making up the difference

669
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 5: at the free throw line was going to be a

670
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 5: little too much. And that call was that call was garbage.

671
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 5: I just hate that idea of just throwing yourself, just

672
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 5: chucking your guy at a defender who was moving his

673
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 5: feet and had his hands up like just that should

674
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 5: just be a play on.

675
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

676
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 7: For me, the only good part about that was being

677
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 7: reminded that Jakar Sampson is still in the league.

678
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: Is I love the name? Uh?

679
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 7: And the last time I loved Dakar Sampson was back

680
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 7: when I was wearing Drakar noir cologne, when I was

681
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 7: watching nineties baseball and I.

682
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: Was more of a Jupe man myself, So.

683
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 7: Jupe yeah, yeah, Jakar, Yeah, he's found a place in

684
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 7: this league.

685
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: That's great.

686
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,239
Speaker 7: DeVante Graham, the Hornet's best point guard right, even though

687
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 7: Terry Rozier is on that roster. That dude is great

688
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 7: and he's in his second year. Tero's signing a three

689
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 7: year contract. I wonder how did they play together? I guess,

690
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 7: but that guy can score.

691
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, no, he's he's pretty special. He had Michael

692
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 5: Jordan's standing up a few times doing at yeah, little

693
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 5: pumps of the arm. Yeah, Jordan. After the game, when

694
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 5: they were walking off, he was giving butt slaps to everybody.

695
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 6: That's a funny thing with Jordan, Like we don't see

696
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 6: him for like twenty games, then all of a sudden,

697
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 6: he's just so into a game, just a random Tuesday

698
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 6: night game. It's incredible to watch, and you know you

699
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 6: had to.

700
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: Turn it off competitive juices when they're flowing.

701
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 6: The thing was, this game actually had quite a few

702
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 6: really good highlights. Bridges had a nice dunk, the PJ.

703
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 6: Washington had a nice dunk.

704
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: It was good.

705
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 6: And we had those the Pacers uniforms. What do you

706
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 6: guys think of those ones? The sort of the kind

707
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 6: of the old flow Joe watch.

708
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, an updated version.

709
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

710
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 5: I liked them. Yeah, I thought they looked pretty cool.

711
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 5: I got no problem is that I watched a massive

712
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 5: chunk of this game. I think a big part of

713
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 5: it is when it's like the first game of the night,

714
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 5: like it starts and then you're like, then you sort

715
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 5: of get invested into it a little bit, and then

716
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 5: you're like, then it was close, and I was back

717
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 5: watching all of that. It was it was our team,

718
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 5: the Hornets. We are four and three, which is.

719
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: They're an underrated watch. I think they put on a

720
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: good show. They're playing pretty fast. They got a lot

721
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: of guys.

722
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: Who want to shoot threes.

723
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: I've watched more Hornets games than this year already than

724
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: I thought I went for the entire season.

725
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: Shout out to Vonte Graham.

726
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 5: All right, one more game here from last night. We

727
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 5: got to get to Gordon Hayward busting out for a

728
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 5: career high. Tiring a career high thirty nine points. He

729
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 5: shot seventeen to twenty from the floor, added eight assists

730
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 5: seven boards, gave him the Woe boy as the Celtics

731
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 5: held off the Cavs one nineteen one thirteen. Is this

732
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 5: Boston Hayward looking a little bit more like Utah Hayward?

733
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 5: What's going on here?

734
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 7: It's it's too small sample size for me, he was

735
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 7: sixteen to sixteen from two point lant. Shout out to

736
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 7: Zach Carp who gave me the stat. Last time someone

737
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 7: did that was Wilt Chamber sixteen sixteen. That's a long

738
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 7: time ago. You get these little flashes of Gordon Hayward,

739
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 7: So I'm not ready to push all my chips in

740
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 7: on Gordon yet.

741
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 5: But he's playing thirty four minutes a game, scoring twenty plus,

742
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 5: shooting the ball incredibly well. True shooting presented is through

743
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 5: the roof. He's hitting threes like.

744
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: He's looking athletic. He's looking athletic. It's just something he comes.

745
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 7: Around the pick and roll and the defender isn't necessarily

746
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 7: worried about Gordon Hayward and maybe these performances will make

747
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 7: them worry, but he just he's there and they just

748
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 7: don't care because Gordon Harid's is He's not. He's not

749
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 7: that Gordon Hayward level. They're just like they're worried about

750
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 7: defensive assignments. But you know, when a great player turns

751
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 7: that corner, everybody starts to worry. And Gordon Hayward isn't

752
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 7: quite at that that Utah level yet.

753
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: Who the heck knows.

754
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 7: Maybe maybe it's you know, the second year back from

755
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 7: an injury. It changes things, but not yet for me.

756
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 7: I guess hold on, this would be his third year back,

757
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 7: not second year back. Yeah, okay, that's the year it was.

758
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 7: Last year was his first year. Yeah, things blend together.

759
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 6: I mean the Celtics themselves, we haven't really talked about them.

760
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 6: They fought him, I know, I lost that game opening

761
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 6: not to Philadelphia, and since then, I mean they have

762
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 6: the beating the Knicks twice and the Cabs of Coast.

763
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 6: But still, I mean, this was the team that we

764
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 6: thought were going to take a big step back last season.

765
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 6: Then you talk about it going Hey, I mean, Kemba

766
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 6: Wilke is averaging twenty six a game in titums averaging

767
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 6: twenty one. Again, They've got a lot of guys out

768
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 6: there scoring, so it's sort of Yeah, it does feel

769
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 6: like the Celtics have just not really you know, had

770
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 6: a real challenge yet. So you know, if they go

771
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 6: on a bit of a tougher schedule, we'll see how

772
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 6: they perform. But they certainly look a little looser this

773
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 6: team than they did last season. I feel that they

774
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 6: look like they're actually having a little bit more fun

775
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 6: than than last season's team that you know.

776
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 3: They won forty nine games. They're still are decent.

777
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 6: No, they were a good team, but I just don't

778
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 6: think they were as joyful with each other as Yeah,

779
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 6: I wonder why. Yeah, I know, I know, I mean,

780
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 6: but it's.

781
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 2: It's a big difference Corford has gone. That's exactly why.

782
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: Big.

783
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, too, calm, Yeah, great game for Hayward.

784
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 5: I liked what I saw. He's got. He's he's got

785
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 5: that weird like slow explosion. I don't know better, I

786
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 5: don't know how else to put it. It's actually this,

787
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 5: it's a bit of a stretch, don't get me wrong.

788
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 5: But he when he drives and he can and he's

789
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 5: a strong, strong dude. He he does have a vibe

790
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 5: of lebron to him, like on those drives where he

791
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 5: just it's sort of old, big steps and it's all

792
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 5: under control and he just bumps a guy a little

793
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 5: bit and the guy sort of goes flying because again

794
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 5: he's a he's a big dude. And then just you know,

795
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 5: kisses it off the glass. And then he had a

796
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 5: couple of those when he would stop going all the

797
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 5: way to the rim, sort of little stop right around

798
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 5: the free throw line and either sort of turn around

799
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 5: and pivot again similar to Lebron at times where he

800
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 5: does that little fade away and knock it down.

801
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 7: You gotta come home, Come home, I'm telling you. Comparing

802
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 7: him to the Lebronathan, I'm.

803
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 5: Saying there are specific parts of his game that do

804
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 5: scream like that sort of super in control, super strong

805
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 5: Lebron like like plays there. Yeah, just that part of

806
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 5: his game for sure.

807
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: And back in Utah he was one of the best

808
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: chased down block artists in the game. So maybe that's

809
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: his path, has to become a thirty five.

810
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: Year old Lebron at a younger age. But you're exactly right.

811
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: He definitely pulls the move like you know, you see

812
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: like a car chase where everybody's going, going, going, going,

813
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: then somebody slams on the brake so that somebody flies

814
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: on by the strength there and the body controlled, no doubt,

815
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: is getting closer to the Utah era where he would

816
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: just kind of be able to get into the lane, stop,

817
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: pop up, hit a little short jumper while the people

818
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: just drift away.

819
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you're rightly, like you said, I think it

820
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 5: is like who they're playing and this look Hayward's doing

821
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 5: this against like Jeddi Osmond. Okay, he was cooking him.

822
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 5: Then Larry Nancy's like way too slow and he was

823
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 5: literally walking around him. So it's like the Cavs stink

824
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 5: on defense, Don't get me wrong. But the Lakers, they

825
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 5: started their season with the loss to the Clippers, and

826
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 5: then you know, they've ripped off six straight. And like

827
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 5: you said, the Celtics, they started with lost to Philadelphia,

828
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 5: who everybody considers to be a title contender, and then

829
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 5: they've they've won five straight. But we've talked to a

830
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 5: hack a lot more about the Lakers than we have

831
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 5: against the Celtics. But again, part of that is probably

832
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 5: who they're playing right now. But good start for them,

833
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 5: all right. We got some news guys. Kawhi Leonard He's

834
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 5: not going to play against Milwaukee tonight for rest slash

835
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 5: load management reasons. He is likely, though, going to play

836
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 5: in the second of the Clippers back to back set

837
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 5: against Portland on Thursday night. Kawhi has already sat one

838
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 5: game this year. He's obviously putting up huge numbers. He's

839
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 5: averaging thirty seven and six in thirty minutes a game.

840
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 5: But Jovon Bouie tweeted on Tuesday, Doc said that most

841
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 5: teams try to rest their players during games, with the

842
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 5: Clippers are experimenting with resting guys during practice, which could

843
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 5: instead save them for games. The Clippers rested Kawhi for

844
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 5: almost half of training camp for this reason, so they're

845
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 5: trying this rest thing with practice. But at the same time,

846
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 5: no Kauai here in a Marquee game Bucks versus Clippers

847
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 5: on ESPN, he's going to get the rest. Is anyone

848
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 5: is anyone shocked by this at all? Or just Clippers?

849
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 5: You know? According to plan here with Kawhi and this's

850
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 5: how you do it.

851
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 7: What's interesting to me You mentioned it's a nationally televised game,

852
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 7: second one of the season. Thus far, wasn't that the

853
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 7: whole reason for finding teams for sitting guys in nationally

854
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 7: televised games. But because the Clippers say it has to

855
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 7: do with an injury and it's not quote unquote rest,

856
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 7: it has to do with an injury and illness, they

857
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 7: get away with it. To me, it just says that

858
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 7: this is just an objective rule or a subjective rule.

859
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 7: I should say whenever you deem it to be a

860
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 7: load management. Whenever we want to find a guy. If

861
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 7: it's the if it's the Spurs and they're coming out

862
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 7: and yelling, we're sitting guys because we want to sit guys,

863
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 7: We'll find you. But the Clippers seem to get away

864
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 7: with it.

865
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 5: Hold on, but put it on the NBA. I mean,

866
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 5: why schedule about to the back? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Why

867
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 5: schedule an NBA back to back both one game on

868
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 5: ESPN and then tomorrow night's on TNT. Those are marquee games,

869
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 5: Like they were sort of asking for this when they

870
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 5: made this schedule with Clippers.

871
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: So we can't have him.

872
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 7: We basically are saying they can't be back to backs

873
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 7: in the NBA.

874
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: Is that's that's what has to happen.

875
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: Sounds like a good idea, Yeah, get rid of them.

876
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 7: That's why Kawhi Leonard has said, as you said, the

877
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 7: second back to back here, second quarter back back. They

878
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 7: have thirteen back to backs, so he's going to set

879
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 7: thirteen games this season?

880
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 6: Well, he got twenty two, didn't he last season in

881
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 6: in Toronto?

882
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 3: Fourteen?

883
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 6: Yeah?

884
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, fourteen plus eight fourteen because of rest, eight because

885
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 7: of injury.

886
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

887
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 6: Well, the thing is that this is this is going

888
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 6: to be the eighth game of the season, and he's

889
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 6: going to sit out two already he set out last win,

890
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 6: suggests ESPN, SO and so yeah, I'm not sure if

891
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 6: it's on anyway. The thing is, in the two games

892
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 6: he came back, he had thirty eight and thirty points.

893
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 6: So if he's got an injury, he's he's playing pretty

894
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 6: well through it.

895
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got no injury resting, Yeah, yeah.

896
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 6: But I mean yeah, like two games into the first

897
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 6: eight he has to sit out, like all right, I guess.

898
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 6: I mean it worked last season, so he's he can

899
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 6: fall back on that. But it's a bit you know,

900
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 6: come on, man, play come on.

901
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 7: So they've team back to backs. I guess he's going

902
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 7: to sit thirteen games.

903
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: I think it's.

904
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 6: Well, that's you know, we talked last season about it.

905
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 6: If they start losing those games, I own one so far.

906
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 6: If they lose tonight, they obviously be going to if

907
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 6: he you know, if he if they keep losing when

908
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 6: he sits out, does that change it?

909
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: Probably not?

910
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 5: No, Probably, I don't think so.

911
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 7: No, And they still don't out Paul George. Paul George

912
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 7: would play the games that Kuhi doesn't.

913
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, it'll be perfect.

914
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: They'll each rest one game of the back to back.

915
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: Why not, right, they can slot into each other's positions.

916
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: It'll be pretty simple once it happens.

917
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

918
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: There doesn't seem to be a solution to stopping players

919
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: from load managing, except for getting rid of back to backs.

920
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, you're going rid at thirteen

921
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: games for the Clippers.

922
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: That takes you down to sixty nine. Nice. Maybe seventy

923
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 2: is the right number for every single.

924
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 7: NBA too, Yeah, reduce it because if they keep it

925
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 7: at eighty two, we're playing into July, right, or it

926
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 7: just makes the season a heck of a lot longer.

927
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 5: I told you guys off the top of the show,

928
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 5: we're gonna have a step in on the beach, a

929
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 5: beach step in mailbag only podcasts dropping a little bit

930
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 5: later today. But I wanted to get in one question,

931
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 5: a little tease, if you will to get us all

932
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 5: on the moves. Maybe we'll kick off our shoes here,

933
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 5: we'll keep our socks on while we walk on the beach,

934
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 5: but we'll eventually take our socks off when we get

935
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 5: to the beach. Step In podcast. But this question from

936
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 5: Jack Fletcher was a good one who was listening to

937
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 5: yesterday's show, said, Hey, guys, the Jose called their own

938
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 5: discussion yesterday triggered a thought.

939
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: It occurred to.

940
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 5: Me that I can't imagine the Nuggets or Nicks, let

941
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 5: alone the Thunder or Rockets deciding to retire Carmelo Anthony's

942
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 5: jersey or number. A quick scan showed it would be

943
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 5: pretty rare for someone that's considered a likely Hall of

944
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 5: Fame player. One do you think either time either team

945
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 5: retires his jersey? And two? If not, will that make

946
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 5: him the best player who isn't recognized by any former team?

947
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 5: Appreciate you all making my commute home a bit easier

948
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 5: each day. Again, that's from Jack. We were talking about

949
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 5: the idea was lit Raptors ever retire Jose calder Owns jersey?

950
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 5: And we were like probably not no, but Jack wants

951
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 5: to know what about Carmelo, Like with the Nuggets or Knicks.

952
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 5: Do you think Jack is right? Does he got something

953
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 5: there or is he completely wrong? And one of those

954
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 5: teams will if not both.

955
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 6: I don't think. Oh the team will, Wow, that's really

956
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 6: that's sort of weird. Well, the Knicks will retire Mello.

957
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to win anything to get your

958
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: number retired by the knickt Patrick Ewing has his number

959
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: hanging out.

960
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, but he played what eighteen seasons or something.

961
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a, no doubt, a legend.

962
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there as president, you don't have to

963
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: be the greatest player in the entire league. Mellow is

964
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: seventh in points all time for the next He's third

965
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 1: points per game, sixth in the rebounds. He played four

966
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: hundred games as a Nick. He's been the best Nick

967
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: of the past two decades. I think he will get

968
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: his number retired.

969
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 7: I think I was really surprised looking back at his

970
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 7: resume that he played there for six and a half years.

971
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 7: It didn't feel it was that long for I don't

972
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 7: know from my perspective, just felt like he was more

973
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 7: longer with the Nuggets, and he was by one season.

974
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 7: One of these teams is going to attach themselves to

975
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 7: a Hall of Fame player. I think somebody would put

976
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 7: and you know, I'm about to look at who the

977
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 7: Nuggets have retired and what the president is there. But

978
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 7: I could see the Nuggets definitely jumping on the bandwagon

979
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 7: as well. Why the heck not so Lisas No, I

980
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 7: won a little bit more there. He went to a

981
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 7: conference finals.

982
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's the problem that. Yeah, I mean he

983
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 6: put up numbers, no doubt player. Yeah, yeah, but I

984
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 6: don't know, it just sort of feels like he didn't

985
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 6: really achieve much team success at either city.

986
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on the Knicks's that's the problem.

987
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: I know.

988
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 6: I'm just looking at some of the guys that the

989
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 6: Knicks have retired as well, and I'm like, you know,

990
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 6: old Frasier, El Monroe, Dick McGuire, a lot of old these. Yeah,

991
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 6: I don't know, it just doesn't to me. It doesn't

992
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 6: feel as o'mello's time there was just enough to retire

993
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 6: that jersey.

994
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 5: I know he's beloved I feel like by the by

995
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 5: Knicks fans generally too. So he I think he was ill, okay, Yeah,

996
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 5: I mean when he came there, he was for a

997
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 5: good chunk of time. I mean, they did have.

998
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 6: That's what Amori said, retire a Mari too and felt.

999
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 5: Look the second part of Jack's question, Yeah, I think

1000
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 5: if if if Lee is right, if the Nuggets or

1001
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 5: the Knicks don't retire his jersey, then yeah, he probably

1002
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 5: would be the best player that I can think of

1003
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 5: who wouldn't have been recognized by a former team. But

1004
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 5: I do think I'm I think one of those teams,

1005
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 5: if not both, actually will put the put the number

1006
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 5: up in the in the Raptors.

1007
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 7: I'm looking at the Nuggets, Alex English, Fat Leaver, David Thompson,

1008
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 7: Byron Back, Daniezel, and to Kenby.

1009
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 3: But Tumbo who only played I think five.

1010
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's not bad.

1011
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 7: Great, Yeah, that's been a long time since they retired.

1012
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 7: A guy can be the last guy.

1013
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 5: Great question, Jack. We'll get to a whole lot more

1014
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 5: on the beat step in podcast dropping late on Wednesday.

1015
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 5: All right, let's get to tweet of the night.

1016
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 3: Tweet O the night.

1017
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 5: Woww all right, I nailed it in yesterday. I gave

1018
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 5: you an Instagram story of the night, which was a

1019
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 5: great story by the way, the disco bathroom that I

1020
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 5: experienced here in Toronto. But I thought, okay, look Lee

1021
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 5: was gonna do it, but I didn't really do it.

1022
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 5: So I'll do tweeted the night. I got a good one, Trey.

1023
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 5: You may want to go ear muffs though on this one,

1024
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 5: although this could be your burner account for all I

1025
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 5: know at Bulls Goot Next. They went through all the

1026
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 5: emotions last night during that Lakers Bulls game. I'm gonna

1027
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 5: read them in order. Started obviously started well. I could

1028
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 5: easily pile up all the booked Mark tweets I have

1029
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 5: of y'all disrespecting my bulls and expose y'all calling out

1030
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 5: everybody there. All right, okay, things are probably still going

1031
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 5: well here, maybe they're up nineteen at this point. You'll

1032
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 5: need to put some respect on my bulls. Last time,

1033
00:42:55,440 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say it. Then things started to turn fff.

1034
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 5: How is this a ten point game?

1035
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: A little bit later?

1036
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 5: F this team dog? A little bit later, I lost

1037
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 5: one thousand dollars plus in bets. I'm sick right now.

1038
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 5: Final tweet from at Bulls Got Next. Sorry ass franchise.

1039
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 5: I legit feel embarrassed every time I tell someone I'm

1040
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 5: a Bulls fan. Thanks for letting me down again and

1041
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 5: then he ats the Chicago Bulls. I love that little touch. Yeah,

1042
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 5: Apple's got Apples got Next getting tweeted night. Thanks to

1043
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 5: I Drew Anga for bringing that to my attention.

1044
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: Wow.

1045
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, and let's actually spin right from that into the

1046
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 5: picking results, because it was that game and the Lakers

1047
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 5: were favored by seven and a half. They had to

1048
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 5: win by eight to win. You guys down there in

1049
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 5: Atlanta all had the Lakers. I was the only one

1050
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 5: taking the Bulls and my boy Hutch huncheson for the win,

1051
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 5: hitting some dumb threes late to cover for the bull

1052
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 5: What a dumb cover that was. So the Bulls win

1053
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 5: in our Pickham because they covered. So I get the victory,

1054
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 5: you guys get the loss. We're all a very sexy

1055
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 5: one and two for the month of November. We're all

1056
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 5: tied up. Yeah. That was like, this is why betting

1057
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 5: is so first off fun and also very dumb, because yeah,

1058
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 5: I'm watching this game going nuts with my buddy Cad.

1059
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 5: He's watching with me, like I'm telling him why obviously, like,

1060
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 5: oh yeah, I have the Bulls. They got to cover,

1061
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 5: And like the last minute of the game was like

1062
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 5: hilariously excited because it's like when you need to.

1063
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: Stop, come on, Bulls, you stuff, Come on Hunches and

1064
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: knock that.

1065
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 5: Three down, and amazingly they got it done. And then

1066
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 5: you're like praying in the final twenty seconds when the

1067
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 5: Lakers are bringing up you're like, doll, foul, doll, foul,

1068
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 5: dull foul, don't be a dummy, and they just let

1069
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 5: the clock run out. So we're all one and two.

1070
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 5: What's tonight's game? A lot of games on tonight's Test.

1071
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: We talked about it earlier.

1072
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 7: The Bucks are visiting the Clippers, potential finals matchup right there,

1073
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 7: but no Kawhi Leonard.

1074
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: Who do you take with this Clippers team that is

1075
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: unbeaten at home? They beat everybody.

1076
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 7: They went by an average of over ten points in

1077
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 7: those four games that they've played at home. But hey,

1078
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 7: it's a back to back, so Kawhi is sitting. The

1079
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 7: Bucks are favored by two and a half points. It's

1080
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 7: a very very very tight lie.

1081
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 5: Okay, it's gonna start.

1082
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 6: I'll take the Bucks because of the Kawhi EFFECTA.

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Speaker 5: Yep, me too, I'm taking the Bucks.

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Speaker 2: They hit a bunch of taking the Bucks. But the

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Speaker 2: swerve mode has been working out the past two days.

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Speaker 1: Task swerve gotta win with the Warriors, skeets one, gotta

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Speaker 1: cover with the balls.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go with the Bucks.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll take the the Bucks.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, still there, We're still out there.

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Speaker 5: Anyone want to switch it up?

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, If you do, call me Tray Swervey because

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Speaker 1: I'm hopping on the clippers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's torn out. I mean you silly, all right,

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Speaker 2: see it fools tomorrow when I'm one and three.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, No, Tray's got the clippers and the rest of

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Speaker 5: us have Milwaukee favored by two and a half. They

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Speaker 5: got to win by three or more. All right, that's

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Speaker 7: walk on the beach with your socks, just throw them out,

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