1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to the short stuff. Josh here, Chuck here, 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Jerry here, Dave here. In spirit it's shorts stuff. Sorry, 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: it's shorts stuff. Yeah. 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna start this one by telling a quick little 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: story of last year. I got in my Instagram feed 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: for a little while these choirs, these choral singing groups 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: that were you know, it's kind of a thing now 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: where it's not like, oh, you know, we go to 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: the church and it's an official choir, but like, hey, 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: my friend has a warehouse space and we can put 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: a piano in it and just put out a call 12 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: to see, like people want to show up and sing together. 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: Like humanist choirs. 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 2: Is that what it's called. 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: That's what I'm calling it. 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, oh just because yeah, humanist episode, I 17 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: got Youah, yeah, exactly that. And you know they're doing 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: like a cool Radiohead song or something like that, like 19 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, Christmas music around the holiday. And 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, man, I sang in 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: a choir growing up in my church, and Emily and 22 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: I both sing, she sang in show choir, and like 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: we both got a lot out of those experiences. And 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: I haven't done it since I was a teenager and 25 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: I was like, man, we got a piano, and I 26 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: bet you we could get a group together to come 27 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: around and do this kind of thing. And I was 28 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: I still might do it this year, but I never 29 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: got around to it. But it was something that was 30 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: really kind of on my list. 31 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: So are you going to do it? Though? 32 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 2: You think, well, I really want to do it, Okay, 33 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 2: we'll do it. Yeah, I do want to cause I think, 34 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: you know, I would be the facilitator, but I would 35 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: get someone who's like, somebody's got to lead the show 36 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: because I can't do that. But I'll sing and I'll 37 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: put you know, I'll provide the space and the piano. 38 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. I think that's a good start. 39 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: I think it would be fun, like a neighborhood deal 40 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: and long way of sort of getting around to this 41 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: idea that they've kind of learned that singing is good 42 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: for you, and specifically singing together like inn a choir. 43 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's a a big thing. And Chuck, if 44 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: you did get a choral group together, you guys would 45 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: be the two hundred and fifty thousand and first chorus 46 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: group in the United States, because that's how many are 47 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, something like almost twenty nine million people 48 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: regularly sing in a choral group and in the United States, 49 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: and it's the most popular of all arts related participatory activities. Yeah, 50 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: It's more popular than cross country painting and charades leagues combined. 51 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: You know. 52 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 2: Interestingly, I saw a study the other day where they 53 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 2: found one participatory activity helps stave off dementia more than 54 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: any other and it was dance. 55 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: Oh I believe that. 56 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the movement and the all the benefits of 57 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 2: doing a participatory activity, plus the benefits of the exercise 58 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: and everything, but something about dance that and it was 59 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: like kind of off the charts, and like how good 60 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: it was for you to do as like as you age. 61 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: Sure, gitch troubles come on, get happy, all right. 62 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: So let's talk about singing though, because like if you 63 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: get together with a choir, obviously everyone there is probably 64 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: going because they like to sing and they're probably pretty 65 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: good at singing. But you can just go to your 66 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: local karaoke bar as evidence that, Like people love to 67 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: sing who can't sing at all sometimes and they will 68 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: do that in front of people and people will like 69 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: still watch that and be interested. 70 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah, people will watch other people who can't 71 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: sing sing, Yeah, and then people who can't sing will 72 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: sing in front of other people and feel good about it. 73 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: Like karaoke is a great example of like the fact 74 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: that this exists. There's something about singing, including singing and 75 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: other in front of other people that actually does give 76 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: you a positive vibe. Yes, so you said something though, 77 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: I mean like you can sing at home in the shower, 78 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: you can sing at home on the couch, you can 79 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: sing at home in the kitchen, sing in the car 80 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: for sure, sing in the car, you could sing in 81 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: the laundry room, right, like you could sing basically anywhere 82 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: by yourself. And yes, there are benefits, as we'll see. 83 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: But because there's something about singing in a group, as 84 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: we'll kind of unpack, it's just it provides greater benefits. 85 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: But if you do sing in your laundry room, you're 86 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: still going to get some benefits from it. But if 87 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: you've got a group of people who sing with you 88 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: in your laundry room, you would be doing really good 89 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: for sure. 90 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 2: Good time for a break, Yeah, all right, we're going 91 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: to talk about what those benefits are because they seem 92 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: kind of mysterious. Right after this. 93 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: If you want to know then you're in luck. Just 94 00:04:38,040 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: listen to SUFFUSI stuffuse no. 95 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: All right, So, like you mentioned before the break, all 96 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 2: types of singing is good for you. We found it 97 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: releases endorphins, which is always great. If you're singing in 98 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: front of people, it's gonna you know, build your confidence. 99 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: Like I've seen some not very good singers at karaoke 100 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 2: just like still kind of kill it and walk out 101 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 2: of there, like clearly, like kind of brimming with confidence. Sure, 102 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: which is going to have like a great effect on 103 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 2: your life and well being for sure. 104 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: But like I said, singing with a group, choral singing 105 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: has the most dramatic effects, And there's actually some studies 106 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: that have shown this. Apparently in Australia in two thousand 107 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: and eight, a study looked at choral singers and said, hey, 108 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: how satisfied are you with your life? And they said 109 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: really satisfied, so satisfied that if you compared us to 110 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: the average person from the general public, we're more satisfied 111 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: with our life. They're like, well, wait a minute, what 112 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: if we control for all these differences and the only 113 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: difference is these people sing and the rest of the 114 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: people don't. Well does that still hold true? Yes, it will, 115 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: that's right. 116 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: It was Australia, they said, yes, and not now. 117 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: And I mean Australians are generally happy on a whole 118 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,679 Speaker 1: compared to other other groups. 119 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: No, I totally agree. 120 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: That was so like Australian choral singers through the roof happy, 121 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: they can't stop smiling. Yeah. 122 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: In fact, I'm gonna start saying that. I'm gonna say, man, 123 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: they were as happy as an Australian choral singer. 124 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: That's a great one. That's great. 125 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety eight, there was another study that found 126 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: after nursing home residents were you know, active in a 127 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 2: singing program for a month, there were big time decreases 128 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 2: in both anxiety and depression levels. And a study in 129 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 2: England six hundred British choral singers found that singing plays 130 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: a central role in their psychological health. Like people get 131 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: a lot out. 132 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: Of it, right, And that would have included Ireland and Wales. 133 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 2: That's right. Actually that didn't look too deeply into that one. 134 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: But yeah, if it said British then for sure. 135 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: So some of the physical effects though, like it actually does. 136 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: Like we've been talking mostly about well being we'll talk 137 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: a little more about that. But physically speaking, singing has 138 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: a great effect on your body. It's essentially an aerobic exercise. 139 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: Because of the way you're breathing, you're getting more oxygen 140 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: in your blood. That improves your circulation. Good circulation makes 141 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: you happy. I've seen that it's prescribed. Singing is prescribed 142 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: to people who are going through lung rehab for some 143 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: sort of lung issue. And there's also like a you 144 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: need to breathe deeply, so you're spending like an hour 145 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: or so, like a week breathing deeply. That's essentially one 146 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: of the main parts of meditation and relaxation techniques is 147 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: deep you know, controlled breathing and singing. An acquir requires 148 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: you to do that. 149 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I remember talking, Oh, when was it, 150 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: I guess it was sometime light last year when or 151 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: I guess early last year, when I was very upset 152 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: a lot about politics, not like I am now, which 153 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: is like just super stoked all the time, right, But 154 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: I remember talking about sing therapy, and that's what I 155 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: did for a little while. I would like put on 156 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: my piano as a little player piano, so I would 157 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: put that on and I would sing as hard as 158 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: I could sing, and it really really felt good. It 159 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: made a big difference in how I felt. 160 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: What were you singing whatever? 161 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: A lot of billy joel? 162 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: Oh that's great. 163 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: No, Like I was singing whatever. Whatever You could really 164 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: belt out, you know. 165 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's wonderful that you did that for yourself. Man, Yeah, 166 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: it was. 167 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: It was fun. 168 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: So one of the things that you could have also done, 169 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: since you probably know every word to every Billy Joel song, 170 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: you could have learned some new songs, right sure. And 171 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: had you done that, you would have been working your brain, 172 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: which is another benefit of singing, especially in a group. 173 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: You have to learn new stuff every week. 174 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And if you're learning things, and if 175 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: you're concentrating, like all right, I got to work out 176 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: my alto part on this thing. I'm a tenner. Actually 177 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: work on your tenor part. And then when you get 178 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: together with your little choir or big choir and you're like, 179 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: all right, I got to remember my part here where 180 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 2: I come in. Like, that's what you're thinking of, that's 181 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: what's on your mind. You're not thinking of the stress 182 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: at work or the stress at home, or the stress 183 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: in your life. Or your health stress, Like it's your 184 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: chance to park that stuff and really dwell on something 185 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 2: else for a while. 186 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: Right, And then we finally arrive at one of the 187 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: big reasons why, probably the biggest reason why singing an 188 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: a choir actually has the most benefits of any kind 189 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: of scene is because you are becoming part of a group. Yes, 190 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: Like if you've ever been a member of any kind 191 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: of choir, like, that's a fairly tight group. Everybody knows 192 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: one another. You're required to rely on one another, Like 193 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: you are needed by this group. Your voice is needed, 194 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: your part is needed. Like there's a sense of belonging 195 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: and inclusion that comes from being a member of a choir. 196 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: And then on top of that, adding in all of 197 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: the benefits of singing again like this is it's just 198 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: really good for you. 199 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. When we were I think I told 200 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: you this backstage. But when we were in Madison, I 201 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: went a day early and I woke up the next 202 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 2: morning and I was My hotel was like kind of 203 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 2: right on the water, so I had the windows open, 204 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 2: and because I could hear the water gently laughing, and 205 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: it sounded really nice. But I heard singing, and I 206 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: was like like group singing, and I was like, where 207 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: is that coming from? And I went and looked out 208 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: of my window and there was It turns out that 209 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: in the hotel there was a choral festival going on, 210 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 2: so there were a bunch of choirs staying there, and 211 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: there was a group of young people, like probably twenty 212 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: of them on a dock on a pier singing a 213 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: Radiohead song. And it was the most lovely thing I 214 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 2: had ever heard. You can't imagine a better way to 215 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: sort of start your morning than just by hearing that. 216 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: In reality, though backstage everybody he told me that he shouted, 217 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: piped down, shut up kid, that's cool man. 218 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: It was great. It was so so lovely. 219 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: Right well, I think since we ended that on a 220 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: high note from one of Chuck's good memories, good recent 221 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: memories from our visit to Madison, I mean short stuff 222 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: is out. 223 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 2: Stuff you should know is a production of iHeartRadio. 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