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Speaker 1: Welcome in Thursday edition, Clay Travis buck Sexton show a

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Speaker 1: lot of breaking news that we are going to be

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Speaker 1: tracking throughout the course of today's program. Tragic plane crash

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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Between a military helicopter and American

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Speaker 1: Airlines jet going from Wichita, Kansas to Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: What occurred? Many different stories out there. As this continues

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Speaker 1: to evolve, we will break it down for you, and

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Speaker 1: also let me just go ahead and say right off

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Speaker 1: the top, if you are a pilot eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: two eight two two eight A two and or if

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Speaker 1: you fly or have flown the Blackhawk helicopter that was

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Speaker 1: involved here, we would love to hear from you, that is,

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Speaker 1: pilots and helicopter pilots. I appreciate that a lot of

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Speaker 1: you have a variety of opinions on this, but I'd

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Speaker 1: like to have expert opinion based on what you have

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Speaker 1: seen of the evidence. We will be discussing that. Trump

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Speaker 1: just had a press conference with Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy,

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Speaker 1: with his new Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, and with Jade

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Speaker 1: Vance all there. We'll have some of those cuts for

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Speaker 1: you as well. The ongoing drama of the confirmation hearings

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's cabinet nominees. Cash Patel, who is Trump's

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Speaker 1: nominee to lead the FBI currently speaking, as well as

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Speaker 1: Tulsi Gabbard, Trump's nominee to basically head up all of

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Speaker 1: the intelligence agency universe. She is also in the midst

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Speaker 1: of her confirmation hearings. But we begin with the first

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Speaker 1: and most tragic commercial airline plane crash since two thousand

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Speaker 1: and nine. Happened last night just before nine o'clock Eastern.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming most of you have seen the video of

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Speaker 1: the helicopter and the plane running into each other. Trump

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Speaker 1: has just announced in the White House there are no survivors.

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Speaker 1: Sixty passengers four crew members dead on the American Airlines

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Speaker 1: flight from Wichita, as well as three military members who

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Speaker 1: died in the collision who were inside of the helicopter.

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Speaker 1: There is a variety of evidence out there as to

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Speaker 1: what occurred. Will get some of the cuts of what

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Speaker 1: Trump said at the press conference, But Buck it seems

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Speaker 1: as if, based on what I have seen and analyzing

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Speaker 1: this evidence and again open phone lines eight hundred two

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Speaker 1: eight two two eight eight two, that the helicopter quite

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Speaker 1: simply did not see this American Airlines flight coming in

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Speaker 1: to land on a runway that is not necessarily the

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Speaker 1: most popular or common of a runway, and that the

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Speaker 1: plane clearly did not see the helicopter and they had

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Speaker 1: a mid air collision.

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Speaker 2: I've ridden in black helicopters in war zones and have

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Speaker 2: some familiarity as a passenger with the aircraft and their

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Speaker 2: use is they're pretty incredible platform, very versatile. But one

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Speaker 2: of the things that I think tragically came into the

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Speaker 2: situation here is they're not easy to see at night.

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Speaker 3: They are built to be stealthy. That's why they are

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Speaker 3: the color they are.

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Speaker 2: That's why, especially in you know, in war zone contexts,

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Speaker 2: they can be flown at night very effectively and safely.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're you're not going to be able to

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Speaker 2: hit one with ground fire. That's what they're built for,

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Speaker 2: you know, They're they're not built for the civilian purpose

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Speaker 2: of flying around airfields. Now, I know that nearby there

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Speaker 2: are a lot of that, there are black Hawk flights regularly,

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Speaker 2: and this was not some aberrant thing. You know, the

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Speaker 2: DC airspace is a very for obvious reasons, are very

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Speaker 2: particular and incredibly tightly regimented airspace. So this seems like,

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Speaker 2: as is so often the case with major air accidents,

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Speaker 2: some form of pilot error. We're not sure who, and

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Speaker 2: that's obviously not casting any aspersions on anybody, but there

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Speaker 2: was some lack of communication, there was some issue that

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Speaker 2: the other, and now we have this, this terrible tragedy.

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Speaker 2: Generally you have a number of things that come together.

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Speaker 2: I've actually read a bit about airline disasters in the past.

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Speaker 2: Just as somebody who flies, I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: us get curious about how these things happen. And it's

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Speaker 2: a fear that, look, we all know that you're safe.

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Speaker 2: You're incredibly safe when you're flying at a US commercial airliner,

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Speaker 2: for example, But freak accidents happened, and this was a

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Speaker 2: freak accident, I think. So it's generally cascading error. So

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Speaker 2: out more. I saw as soon as this happened last night,

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Speaker 2: but the likelihood that there were going to be any

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Speaker 2: and fell into the Potomac River, was very low, and

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Speaker 2: as we know now there are there are no survivors.

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Speaker 2: President Trump came out and spoke about it. I know,

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Speaker 2: we'll get into some of the press conference, Clay, and

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Speaker 2: also you have other news networks and their take on this,

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Speaker 2: oh look at the Trump administration that we'll we'll get

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Speaker 2: it's very clear just a horrible and tragic accident, and

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Speaker 2: until we know more, I don't think it's constructive to

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's what I've got on it so far.

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Speaker 2: I just it's it's heartbreaking. And you and I just

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Speaker 2: flew into DCA a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, and this is anyone flying anywhere knows this

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Speaker 2: And apparently some very exceptional ice skaters were on this

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Speaker 2: on this plane. And there there was a contingent of

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Speaker 2: Russian ice skaters who were on the plane, you know,

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Speaker 1: Like yeahagers, and they just had an ice skating competition

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Speaker 1: in whichitah is the report as to why all those kids,

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Speaker 1: young people were on that plane coming back.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So I can't imagine what it's like for their families.

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Speaker 2: You have look right right out out of the right

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Speaker 2: out of the gate of their confirmations. You have Secretary

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Speaker 2: Duffy coming forward. Uh to have to have to address

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Speaker 2: a tragedy right away. I mean they've they've been in

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Speaker 2: office for a couple of days, but this is the

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Speaker 2: nature of taking those kinds of jobs. And I saw

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Speaker 3: I'm no cleauve, you've been seeing it.

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Speaker 2: Also seeing a little bit of Cash's confirmation hearing go forward.

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Speaker 2: But this is a terrible tragedy, and you know they

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Speaker 2: need to look at this very closely, as I'm sure

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Speaker 2: they will. I think Trump administration is going to get

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Speaker 2: to the bottom of well, where were the errors here?

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Speaker 2: What was preventable? What was more freak accident in nature,

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Speaker 2: and hopefully come up with practices to prevent such a

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Speaker 1: This is one thing that I think America has gotten right.

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Speaker 1: Every time there is an airline crash like this, all

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Speaker 1: at all every single detail associated with it. They reconstruct

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Speaker 1: this is the first commercial airliner that has gone down

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Speaker 1: since two thousand and nine. I know there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of flying fear in general, and I'm sure for many

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Speaker 1: people who have anxiety about flying, this is your worst

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Speaker 1: possible thought and an occurrence. I will say the positive here.

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Speaker 1: I like the fact that heg Seth and Sean Duffy

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Speaker 1: as much as they can. Immediately. My first thought, as

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Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you's first thought when you saw

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Speaker 1: the video, was man, this is hard to imagine this

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Speaker 1: I think of, at least some measure of satisfaction that

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Speaker 1: it does not appear to have been intentional. And I

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Speaker 1: don't say that because in some way that makes the

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Speaker 1: think many of you out there, given what's happened on

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven with aircraft, naturally, when you see something

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Speaker 1: of your mind, Oh, this is awful. But was it intentional?

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Speaker 1: It seems to have been pilot error. Now was it

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Speaker 1: the helicopter pilot that's what they're assessing right now, or

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Speaker 2: You know, the worst airline disaster in history, not including

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Speaker 2: obviously nine eleven is a terrorist tech right, so excluding

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Speaker 2: nine eleven, But the worst accidental airline disaster in history

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Speaker 2: was back in nineteen seventy seven in the Canary Islands,

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Speaker 2: on the island of Tenerife, you had five hundred and

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Speaker 2: a pan AM flight collided on a foggy runway that

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Speaker 2: And we are it's remarkably safe given how many flights

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Speaker 3: But when something goes wrong, it.

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Speaker 2: Goes wrong in a huge way, as it did Backman,

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Speaker 2: that's going back now fifty years well, and I think

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Speaker 2: who are old enough to remember, it will evoke memories

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Speaker 2: Plane went into icy waters. I think six people survived,

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Speaker 3: As well associated with this.

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Speaker 2: Here's President Trump. This is cut to just speaking about

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Speaker 2: where the country is right now and where his thoughts

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Speaker 2: are as we learn more about this tragedy and.

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Speaker 4: Vihav for the first Lady, myself and three hundred and

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Speaker 4: forty million Americans. Our hearts are shattered alongside yours, and

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Speaker 4: our prayers are with you now and in the days

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Speaker 4: to come. We'll be working very, very diligently. In the

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Speaker 4: the tears and to or for you our devotion, our love,

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Speaker 4: and our support.

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Speaker 5: There's great support.

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Speaker 4: In moments like this, The differences between Americans fade to

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Speaker 4: nothing compared to the bonds of affection and loyalty that

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Speaker 4: unite us all, both as Americans and even as nations.

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Speaker 4: We are one family, and today we are all heartbroken.

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Speaker 4: We're all searching for answers.

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Speaker 2: Clay, I think one thing we can count on is

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Speaker 2: that there'll be quick answers, relatively speaking, but quick answers

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Speaker 2: from this administration about just what happened here? Did someone

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Speaker 2: stray into you know, they have designated airspace for the helo,

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Speaker 2: designated airspace for the fixed wing. Did somebody just stray

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Speaker 2: into the wrong airspace? Was there some communications issue on board?

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, we'll get to all of that, but

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Speaker 2: faster because they have they have a promise to the

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show Okay Buck

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Speaker 1: every time something bad happens in the age of social media,

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Speaker 1: We're still trying to figure out what happened. Immediately, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Before anybody really knows anything, the blame factory begins. Trump,

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Speaker 1: It's going to get a lot of attention today. This

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Speaker 8: Yet know the names of the sixty seven people who

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Speaker 5: I don't think so at all.

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Speaker 4: I don't think with the names of the people, I mean,

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Speaker 2: As we've seen with a whole range of different tragedies

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Speaker 2: Obviously it's horrible. Think of for all these people who

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Speaker 2: So it's tricky because I think that there's an obvious

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Speaker 3: This is cut three.

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Speaker 5: I put safety first.

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Speaker 9: who they are matters intellect, talent the word talent. Have

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Speaker 9: to be talented, naturally talented geniuses.

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Speaker 3: You know, Clay.

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Speaker 2: This is where the argument against DEI becomes very real

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Speaker 2: and very personal for people in just a broader sense.

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Speaker 2: It may have absolutely nothing to do with this accident.

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Speaker 2: We don't know, Okay, just to be clear, we don't

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Speaker 2: know yet, and that's that should be established. But he

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Speaker 2: is talking about policy, executive orders and how these issues

447
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Speaker 2: are framed, and when it comes to your air traffic controllers, pilots,

448
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Speaker 2: you know, heart surgeon, brain surgeon, the whole range of

449
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Speaker 2: You actually just want, you know, firemen, you know, people

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Speaker 2: fighting wildfires. What you actually just want the best people

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Speaker 2: and to people that really need them. They all understand that.

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Speaker 1: The more significant the job, the less diversity matters. Because

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you, if your loved one or you are

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Speaker 1: going under the knife for heart surgery, you don't care

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Speaker 1: anything at all about your heart surgeon other than is

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Speaker 1: he the best damn heart surgeon or she the best

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Speaker 1: damn heart surgeon on the planet. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: about you, Buck, but when I walk on an airplane,

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Speaker 1: I don't want you think about anything other than this

460
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Speaker 1: guy or this gal is one of the best pilots

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Speaker 1: in the world. That's who I want to entrust my

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Speaker 1: safety too. And there are some things where cosmetic diversity, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't really care. I'll give you an example, sorry

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Speaker 1: for anybody out there who's working in these jobs right now. Overall,

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Speaker 1: if you work in a parking lot, you know, if

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Speaker 1: you're a parking a lot attendant, I'm not really that

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Speaker 1: concerned with what your background is. I think the job

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Speaker 1: is pretty easy relatively speaking. And so if we want

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Speaker 1: to have a diverse array of parking a lot of attendants,

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Speaker 1: more power to you. But the more significant the job is,

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Speaker 1: the higher the qualifications there are for it, the less

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Speaker 1: I want DEI involved at all. I fact, am I

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Speaker 1: correct about this team? Can look this up. I believe

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris's final flight as a vice president, they were

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Speaker 1: bragging that she had an all female, an all black

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Speaker 1: flight crew. Isn't this like kind of thee I think

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Speaker 1: it was just all female.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was also all minority, but

479
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Speaker 2: it was all female. Look, we all understand that we

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Speaker 2: just we want that plane to take off, and we

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Speaker 2: wanted to land, and we want everyone to be safe

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Speaker 2: and any of these other considerations changing standards when lives

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Speaker 2: are at stake. That's really what we're talking about here.

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Speaker 2: This is why the lowest output jobs in our society

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Speaker 2: include diversity educator and diversity coordinator. And you don't do anything.

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Speaker 2: So the good news about diversity educators is, well, they

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Speaker 2: harass people and their commissars for politics. But no one's

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Speaker 2: dying because of the college diversity coordinator or whatever, right,

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Speaker 2: so that doesn't really matter the problem is they are

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Speaker 2: part of a system that pushes forward changes in standards

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Speaker 2: that you're not allowed to talk about. They've got to

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Speaker 2: change of standards, but you can't talk about the change standards.

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Speaker 3: That's the rule. The same thing with firm revaction, by the.

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Speaker 2: Way, you can't talk because if you didn't have to

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Speaker 2: change the standards, you wouldn't need these things.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't need a.

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Speaker 2: Front of action or DEI or whatever the latest incarnation

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Speaker 2: of it may be. Look, you know, and this is

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Speaker 2: this is something that affects my family, and so far

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Speaker 2: as you know, I got a father in law who's

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Speaker 2: an American Airlines pilot and this was an American Airlines flight.

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Speaker 2: He is a former naval aviator F eighteen pilot. And

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Speaker 2: you know, look, even before I met him and before

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Speaker 2: I married Kerry.

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Speaker 3: Who do you want flying your plane? A lot of

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Speaker 3: people like you.

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Speaker 2: Know what, I kind of want somebody who's a military

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Speaker 2: aviator of some kind that sounds like a good or

509
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Speaker 2: somebody with a lot of experience who's really done this.

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Speaker 3: You know, you just want the best. There is no

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Speaker 3: person who would ever get on a plane and here.

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Speaker 2: You know, this pilot doesn't have as many hours in

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Speaker 2: this airframe as we would like for your flight. However,

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Speaker 2: they are a member of the Inuit nation and they

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Speaker 2: have a disability. Yeah, there is no part of you

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Speaker 2: that would say, I am I am happy for this

517
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Speaker 2: on the flight and and this is what I you know, this,

518
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Speaker 2: this is what comes up when we talk about this issue.

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Speaker 2: It's just a question of honesty. Let's all be honest

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Speaker 2: with each other.

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Speaker 1: Also, what would you have thought if you had gotten

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Speaker 1: on an airplane and Joe Biden had been your pilot.

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Speaker 1: Would you have gotten on the plane, you know when

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Speaker 1: you walk on and the pilots standing there outside of

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Speaker 1: the cockpit, if Joe Biden were standing there, would you

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Speaker 1: be like, Hey, this is an airline. I have to

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Speaker 1: really feel comfortable about it. I don't think so. I

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Speaker 1: think buck. By the way, in the investigation, one thing

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Speaker 1: they're really going to have to look into is the

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Speaker 1: interplay between helicopter and airplane communication, because it seems, based

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Speaker 1: on some of this evidence, that that could be a

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Speaker 1: flaw in that they're not integrating systems as well between

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Speaker 1: helicopters and airplanes like they would be between airplanes in

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Speaker 1: terms of air traffic control avoidance. I've flown a lot

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Speaker 1: in small planes where I wear the headset and can

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Speaker 1: hear all the air traffic control. I don't claim to

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Speaker 1: be a pilot fancy, but I do think it's instructive

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Speaker 1: to sit and listen to the conversations that are going

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Speaker 1: on between air traffic controllers. And also in my time

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Speaker 1: flying in helicopters, they don't seem to be integrated the

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Speaker 1: communication systems between the two. And given the amount of

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Speaker 1: aircraft that is traveling in that DC area, which you

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Speaker 1: and I both flew into last week, it is one

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Speaker 1: of the most commercially difficult and an air filled traffic

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Speaker 1: control out there, to say nothing buck of all the

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Speaker 1: VIPs that are constantly flying around in helicopters all over

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Speaker 1: the DC area, which is unlike any other area in

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Speaker 1: America in terms of that constant flow of traffic. Of

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Speaker 1: the President Defense Secretary, all these individuals flying around on helicopters, well.

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Speaker 3: This is what I think.

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Speaker 2: They have to look at everything that happened here and

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Speaker 2: see and to be clear, again, we don't know anything

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Speaker 2: about the cause really yet other than it was I

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Speaker 2: think very likely pilot error on some at some level

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Speaker 2: in some capacity, But we don't know anything about the pilots.

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Speaker 3: We don't know anything about the situation that they were in.

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Speaker 2: There could have been some kind of equipment failure, so

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Speaker 2: it could have been some kind of a communication getting garbled.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of other frequencies and things going on there.

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Speaker 2: You know, we just don't we don't know. But that

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Speaker 2: all said, I also think that we should remember these

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Speaker 2: are flights. These things are happening all the time, day

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Speaker 2: in and day out, and it's it's fine. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: we we shouldn't assume that there have to be massive

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Speaker 2: systemic changes for an incredibly rare, you know, tragic, totally

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Speaker 2: incredibly rare event. I mean our system works. I think

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Speaker 2: that airframes are built to something like a billion hours

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Speaker 2: of flight is the expected. You know, after after a

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Speaker 2: billion hours of flight, like something could really catastrophic can happen.

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Speaker 2: The idea being they're never going to get to the

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Speaker 2: billion hours, but something can happen at some point in

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Speaker 2: the future.

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Speaker 3: A couple of things.

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Speaker 1: As we go to break you got to read Vanity

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Speaker 1: Fair did an entire story on Kamala Harris being flown

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Speaker 1: back to California by an all female crew for the

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Speaker 1: first time ever.

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Speaker 3: So that was.

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Speaker 1: Legitimately the way we said goodbye to Kamala Harris and

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Speaker 1: we got buck. A bunch of pilots who want a

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Speaker 1: way in. We'll take some of these calls on the backside,

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Speaker 1: commercial airline pilots, helicopter pilots. I think we're going to

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Speaker 2: We've got our expert panel joining us now, which is

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Speaker 2: all of you from across the country. Who are pilots,

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Speaker 2: helo pilots, fixed wing pilots, military, civilian. Amazing the expertise

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Speaker 2: signal to all of you. We got Frank in Michigan

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Speaker 2: over tied commercial airline pilot. Frank, what are you seeing here?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for calling in?

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Speaker 10: Hey guys, Uh, you know that's a horrible situation. A

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Speaker 10: couple of things that came to mind when I watched

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Speaker 10: and read some of that was the you know, were

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Speaker 10: they both on the tower frequency, or was one on

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Speaker 10: the approach frequency and the other perhaps on the tower frequency.

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Speaker 10: They would have both been on approach frequency, I would think,

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Speaker 10: and about the time that PSA slash American plane was

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Speaker 10: aligning with runway three to three, they would have put

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Speaker 10: him told him to contact the tower for his landing clearance.

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Speaker 10: And that was probably about the point he would have

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Speaker 10: been configuring that airplane for landing with the year, and

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Speaker 10: so he may have been. He may have been over

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Speaker 10: to another frequency when that actually when the impact.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a coms A cooms problems certainly could be an

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Speaker 2: is year. I'm just curious about how far out and

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Speaker 2: this is a very you know, I'm a total novice

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Speaker 2: or civilian whatever about how far out would you be

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Speaker 2: able to see a Blackhawk at night even with the

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Speaker 2: I know they have special lights that they'll hit, as

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Speaker 2: as the helo, but and how much time do you

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Speaker 2: have if one of them is in your flight path?

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Speaker 2: You see what I mean? I mean, what what kind

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Speaker 2: of visibility would you have on any on any helo?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 10: But yeah, the visibility was you know, unlimited. The helo

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Speaker 10: would have had navigation lights for sure, red and green

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Speaker 10: as far as Strobes on it. I don't know. The

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Speaker 10: other thing that came to mind was if you guys

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Speaker 10: are familiar with what's known as tea casts, a traffic

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Speaker 10: collision avoiding system on aircraft. I don't know if that

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Speaker 10: military helo. If you get some military helo guys on here,

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Speaker 10: you could ask them that if they have tea casts

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Speaker 10: the airline.

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Speaker 3: Good question.

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Speaker 10: But again, you can go without it. We have what's

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Speaker 10: called an EMMY and the Elementimum Equipment List. You can

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Speaker 10: dispatch without it. It normally works very rare.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you. We're going to one quick question here.

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Speaker 1: As we go to break and we're going to take

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Speaker 1: some more of these calls and.

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Speaker 3: We come back.

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Speaker 1: When you get close to ground, does your avoidance systems

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Speaker 1: turn off in some way? Because this was about four

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Speaker 1: hundred feet up. I've heard from some pilots that that

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Speaker 1: avoidance system would decline as you get close.

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Speaker 3: Would that be true?

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Speaker 10: Well, now that's a totally different system. You mean, as

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Speaker 10: far as the tea cask goes, which t could flick

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Speaker 10: their planes. It gives you fly up commands, slide out commands.

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Speaker 5: Tool.

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Speaker 1: Just stick with us, we'll come back. You're way too

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Speaker 1: smart for us to solve this in thirty seconds. We'll

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Speaker 1: come back and take some more of your calls from

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Speaker 1: pilots both military.

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Speaker 3: Please, let's get it.

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Speaker 2: We have a black Hawk, a black Hawk pilot or

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Speaker 2: a military rotary wing pilot listening call in and we

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Speaker 2: want to hear from also the sort of black Hawk

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Speaker 2: helo perspective on this. So we'll take more calls coming

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Speaker 2: up here and dig into this some more