1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Tuesday, December thirtieth, and the waitress 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: is practicing politics as the businessman slowly gets stoned. They're 3 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: sharing a drink they called loneliness. But it's better than 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: drinking alone. But you can't drink alone and at least 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: one particular bar in the UK, and it's pissing people 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: off right now. And with that, welcome to this episode 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ look Robes. Drinking alone is something 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: generally speaking, we shy away from. We don't everone to admit. 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: Nobody wants todmit they drink alone. But it's kind of 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: old pastime going to a bar and having a drink byy. 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: So being a barfly, you actually do this and have 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: done this. I'm not a fan of it, but to 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 2: each their own. If you like to drink on your own, 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean you have a drinking problem or that 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: you're friendless. Some people actually prefer it, they enjoy it, 16 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: and I think you're among them. 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, drinking at home alone stumps off a little differently 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: been drinking at a bar alone. But this is something. Look, 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: it's a favorite pastime. It's how people meet other people. 20 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: You go, you sit down after work, You have a drink, 21 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: you have a pint, you could say in the UK, 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: but ropes this really got people's attention, started making headlines. 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: There's a bar in the UK Manchester. Do I have 24 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: it write in particular? This has a rule no solo 25 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: drinkers after a certain time. 26 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: Yes. So the funny thing is this has been the 27 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: rule at this bar. It's called it's a pub, it's 28 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 2: called the Alibi since it opened in twenty twenty two, 29 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: and it wasn't a big deal until the owner I believe, 30 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 2: posted something about an unruly patron and had the sign 31 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 2: and was reminding folks, hey, here is the sign on 32 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 2: the bar. It reads no single entry after nine pm. 33 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: Alibi does not permit single entry. And that is when 34 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: the world chimed in. It became an international debate should 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: a bar be allowed to discriminate against single patrons? 36 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: See before we get into his reasons and the logic, 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: tell me, what was your reaction, just on the surface, 38 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: a bar that says we don't want solo drinkers in 39 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: our establishment after nine pm? 40 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: Just that my reaction would be that seems strange. I 41 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: don't understand that. I probably wouldn't go in. I would 42 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: just move on to the next pub. So that's just 43 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: and I do think that as a business owner, my 44 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 2: first reaction is you get to do what you want 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: to do to an extent. You're not singling out a 46 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 2: race of people, a religion of people. 47 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: You're just saying, we've seen this. 48 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: Be a problem in our bar, and so for the 49 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: safety of our patrons, this is our rule. 50 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: And I feel like that's kind of his right to 51 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 3: do that. 52 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: Okay, one more thing before we let you move on. 53 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: Another question here? Would this turn you off to the 54 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: bar as a drinker, not a solo drinker, You're not 55 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: a solo drinker at all, but hearing the idea that 56 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: this place doesn't want solo drinkers, does it not sound 57 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: more appealing or is it turn you off because you 58 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: might think, Wow, I don't have to worry about maybe 59 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: some guys in there being unruly or hitting on all 60 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: the women in the place. Kind of a thing. 61 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 2: I guess what you would do is maybe I would 62 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: think it would keep I hate to say this because 63 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: you might think of this as a woman, like a 64 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: creepy guy alone at the bar ogling women. But I 65 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: would argue that men in groups can behave just as 66 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: badly or men who are alone, Yes, perhaps even worse, 67 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: because they go to each other on I get some 68 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:33,559 Speaker 2: liquid courage. 69 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 3: And they like, yeah, go for it. 70 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: So yes, I don't feel any more safe in this 71 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: situation where single drinkers aren't allowed. 72 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 3: But that is part of the argument that's being made. 73 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: So yes, he says that this is literally a matter 74 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: of one thing. 75 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: It's about liability. That's what he said. 76 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: He said if a lone customer, this is what he claimed, 77 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: if a lone customer. So someone who's alone has say 78 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: a medical emergency such as a fall or a seizure, 79 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: staff may not notice it quickly in a packed environment. 80 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: He also does point the fact that solo patrons, he 81 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: says this is his term, sometimes mither or bother groups 82 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: because they have no one else to talk to. So 83 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: those are his two reasons. 84 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: Okay, what the safety one? I thought it was a 85 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: safety thing. What was the first one? They might have 86 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: a medical You can't be here because you might have 87 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: a medical emergency and you don't have a family member 88 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: with you. 89 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 3: That's a little it seems like a stretch. 90 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: That one's alright, alright, I was okay, And what was 91 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: the second one again, but the other. 92 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: One is that solo patrons sometimes mither or bother groups 93 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: because they have no one to talk to. He said 94 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,239 Speaker 2: situations occur once or twice a month, and often around midnight, 95 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: So he doesn't understand why his policy is controversial at all. 96 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: Now I want to leave space for if this is 97 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: his experience in his bar, it might be he might 98 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: have had a lot of problems with solo drinkers, maybe 99 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: had some frequent some regulars in there that were solo drinkers, 100 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: and he's keeping out fine. It brought up an interesting 101 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: debate versus I'm not mad at this guy for his policy, 102 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: but it brought up an interesting debate. Why would you 103 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: want to keep these people out? And isn't it a problem? 104 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: By singling out, you're almost not discriminating, but you're you're 105 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: some kind of way putting down or making it taboo, 106 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: this idea of being alone, of being by yourself, or 107 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: something's wrong with you, or you're a potential threat to 108 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: the rest of the patrons. 109 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 3: And you just nailed it. People got offended. 110 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: People took it personally, and especially people who do like 111 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: to go out for a drink on their own and 112 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: some people work later ships. Some people don't get off 113 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: work until seven or eight, and by the time they 114 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: go are you going to get kicked out of the 115 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: bar if you go in at seven to have a 116 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 2: drink and then at nine, are they going to say 117 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: you have to leave? So it's funny, but people took 118 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 2: this very personally, and you just nailed it because it 119 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: felt like somehow it was pointing the finger at people 120 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: who drink alone, that somehow you're a problem, or you 121 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 2: have an issue, or you're not wanted here. 122 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: Exactly what he's saying. That's exactly what he's saying. I 123 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: never and I don't do obviously, I don't do this 124 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: in New York because we're together, we got people all 125 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: around us all the time. But on business trips when 126 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: I traveled along, even when I traveled with groups of people, 127 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: I wouldn't hang out with him afterwards. I'd go down 128 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: to the bar, sit by myself. I have a drink, 129 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: watch a game, eat a stake. So I can't imagine 130 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: but to think that anyone else in an establishment might 131 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: look at me and think because I am sitting alone, 132 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: then there's a conclusion you jumped to because of that, 133 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: and your idea about the other people in groups. I mean, 134 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: good God gropes. I mean he's making an argument that 135 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: the groups are safer, But also doesn't he make it 136 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: an argument that the groups police themselves and they don't 137 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: act up as much correct? How do you buy that? 138 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: No? I mean there's a whole I mean I remember 139 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: taking psychology classes in college and learning about groupthink, where 140 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: actually it can lead to very bad behavior. So when 141 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: you're around people, you tend to go with the crowd, 142 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: even and if maybe you know better. So I don't 143 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: think that's a logical argument to make that people behave 144 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 2: better when they're in groups versus when they're on their own. 145 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: Is that it's been a part of this conversation all 146 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: the idea you just spoke up across so many things 147 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: in society now, group think like mob mentality, to where 148 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: we're isolating other folks, you're different, you're outside of us. 149 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: It seems to perpetuate that a bar of all places 150 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: is communal, is it right? 151 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 3: I know it, and you just nailed it. 152 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: That is because I was so fascinated, not even necessarily 153 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: by the sign or the rule, but by the reaction 154 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: to it, And you just nailed it. You just hit 155 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: that's the chord that it hit. Like for so many folks, 156 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: it was like a rush to judgment. Or you're saying 157 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: something about people who prefer sometimes to be on their 158 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: own or to enjoy a drink on their own, and 159 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: to say that somehow you're not appropriate, or you're not safe, 160 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: or you're not wanted. That feels like an attack, a 161 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: person attack, right. I think that's why it hits such 162 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 2: a chord. That's so interesting. I actually have some of 163 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: the comments. There were a lot of comments for this 164 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: business owner saying, as a mom of two young adult daughters, 165 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: I welcome your policy safety in numbers. So there's a 166 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: woman who believes that it's better for her daughters to 167 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: be in a bar. Yeah, this is what she said, 168 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: as a mom of two young adult daughters. I welcome 169 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: your policy safety in numbers. Yeah, that's what she said. 170 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: And then someone else said, it's your venue. You make 171 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 2: the decisions that if people don't like it, then tough onwards. 172 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: Probably get that. Other people wrote I would never come 173 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: into your bar, you're pathetic and narrow minded. Then people 174 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 2: going out and like again they take it personally. Someone 175 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: going out of saying I've never once mithered anyone, and 176 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: I'm happy in my own company and I often go 177 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: to Yes, I go to drink alone after a late 178 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: finish at work all the time, like I will never 179 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 2: come to your establishment, and I'm I'm sure the business 180 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: owners like cool because you weren't welcome anyway after nine 181 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: pm period. But he did make a point, Hey, throughout 182 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: the day, it's no problem if you come in it's 183 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: just after nine pm. But that also means I don't 184 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: trust you to police yourself as an adult as to 185 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: know when to stop drinking and how to behave in public. 186 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: Cannot base it on his experiences, But it's tough to 187 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: think that he's judging everyone that walks in based on 188 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: having a companion or not. That's again, it's based on 189 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: his experience. But that's what we do in so much 190 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: of our lives, whether it's skin color, height, You look 191 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: at someone and you come to a conclusion about weight, 192 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: hair or whatever. You just look at them and you 193 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 1: make a judgment to think that you're not with somebody. Therefore, 194 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: that is a It's tough, it's I mean, it sucks. 195 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm not personally offended by it, but that's it's a sucks. 196 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: It sucks that as a society we're going about anything 197 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: that weight that we're not giving anybody, even somebody wants 198 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,359 Speaker 1: a damn beer benefit of the doubt. 199 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: That that is absolutely a very fair statement and speaks 200 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 2: directly to the outrage that is there. And this has 201 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 2: made international headlines, international headlines. He's gone back on social 202 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: media and just said this has bananas. But he's got 203 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: more attention for his pub than he ever could have otherwise, 204 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: and this is interesting. When we come back, we're going 205 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: to talk about the UK newspaper The Independent, who gave 206 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: another reason why they are against this solo drinking ban, 207 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: the loneliness epidemic, and. 208 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 3: Welcome back everybody. 209 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: We are talking about this controversial drinking alone ban. In 210 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: one UK pub in the Manchester area. This guy opened 211 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: up his pub in twenty twenty two and from the 212 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: get go he has had a sign on the front 213 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: of his door that reads no single entry nine PM. 214 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: Alibi does not permit single entry and in town, I 215 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: guess it was just known and didn't seem to be 216 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: a big deal, but then when he posted something online, 217 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: people saw that sign and outrage ensued around the world, 218 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: and so everyone was weighing in on what they called 219 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: this man's discrimination. 220 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: Look, also, can we stop letting outrage be our default 221 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: reaction to everything? Like, even if you see that, I know, 222 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: it's just what we are now, it's what we do. 223 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: You see something in outround, ask a question first, he 224 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: did it? Let me let me figure out why didn't 225 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: ask another follow up and try to have some understanding 226 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: instead of just we immediately right attack of guys for 227 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: simple policy. Again, even if I don't agree with it, 228 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: we can calm down a little. 229 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: Yes, all the solo drinkers out there got really deeply 230 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: personally offended. Yes, and I say solo drinkers, but people 231 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: like you said you go to a bar to not 232 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 2: drink alone. In a way, even if you might not 233 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 2: have a companion with you, you're a part of something. 234 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: You're being communal, you have people around, and people go 235 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: to coffee bars and drink alone. That's a huge place. 236 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: I mostly see people alone in coffee bars. But you 237 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 2: can't do it when it's alcohol. Apparently that's so weird 238 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: to discourage this. I mean people meet people all the 239 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: time at bars, sitting every bar. You ever go dumb 240 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: theyn't even talk about the airports. But people are at 241 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: bars everywhere you go to sitting by themselves, an individual, 242 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: and they're striking a conversation with someone else. That's the 243 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: thing that discourages me from going to a bar alone, 244 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: because I don't want anybody to part of the conversation 245 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: with far farthest corner from any other person you can 246 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 2: possibly find. So The Independent wrote a actually really interesting 247 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 2: article in response to all of the response to this 248 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: bar owner, and they were saying, They wrote that barring 249 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: or banning solo drinkers adds to the loneliness crisis. And 250 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: they cited the twenty twenty four Center for Social Justice 251 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: poll that finds a third of eighteen to twenty four 252 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: year olds report feeling lonely often or most of the time. 253 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: And so when you start singling people out for being 254 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: single or for being alone, it only adds to that epidemic. 255 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: And so this is what the article went on to say, 256 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 2: which is very similar to what you were just saying. 257 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: Whatever happened to this spontaneous solo adventure, the thrill of 258 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: being able to walk into an unknown watering hole, your 259 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: heart in your mouth, with the vain hope that maybe 260 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: the beautiful strangers inside might truly be the friends you 261 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: haven't met yet. Making friends as hard enough as it is, 262 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: those who are brave enough to face the night without 263 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: a socializing safety net should be applauded, not shamed. 264 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 1: Well, wow, that is interesting to see they have they 265 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: feel what was a presentage again? Twenty how many reports? 266 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: They said a third of eighteen to twenty four year 267 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: olds report feeling lonely, often er most of the time. 268 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: I actually went into that study and it is it's 269 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: alarming and scary, and I think, look, I have girls 270 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: that same age, and I can say that I've seen 271 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: signs of just being as connected as we all are. 272 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: It disconnects us so many ways, and people don't feel 273 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: like they have the maybe even the social connections we did. 274 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: Man. That is so I know we've used this quote before. 275 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: It's one of my favorites. That cell phone can bring 276 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: you closer to somebody three thousand miles away, but take 277 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: you so far away from the person sitting right next 278 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: to you, and we do. We have seen this plenty 279 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: and our experiences in some recent sitting next right next 280 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: to someone, there is a table full of people and 281 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: they're sad because of something that takes place on a 282 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: cell phone. 283 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 3: We've seen it, feel. 284 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: Connected to that individual somewhere else, like look, put the 285 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: phone down and look at the person in front of you. 286 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: And you're right about the loneliness part of what do 287 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: they call the loneliness epidemic epidemic the number of kids 288 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: these days that go into the room with a cell 289 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: phone and we don't see them for ours. 290 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 3: That's not good. 291 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we think they have a community in there. No, 292 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: that's loneliness. You could argue, get out, go have a beer. 293 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: So far by yourself. 294 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: I know. 295 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: We're doing stories. 296 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: In fact, we up on doing some stories lately about 297 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: people talking to chatbots and then having the chatbot reinforce 298 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: their depression and can lead to really dangerous tragic events. 299 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, we need to do something, and having someone 300 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: go out and be a part of something is a 301 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: good thing. 302 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: I will say this. 303 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: In a lot of the articles, they pointed out that 304 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: other neighboring pubs in response to this guy are now 305 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: saying all singles are welcome at our pub. So yes, 306 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: they're making a point to say, well, you might not 307 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: be able to go in there, but you can sure, 308 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: come in here. And it is like taking advantage of 309 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: the fact that people now know there's this bar that 310 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: won't let singles enter after nine pm, so they're opening 311 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: their doors wide open, saying come all, come many, come one, 312 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: come in groups however you'd like. 313 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: The next day, I would have had a sign up 314 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: in my bar singles night, of course. 315 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 3: That sounds about right, and again good business. 316 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: Yes, and with that everyone, we appreciate you listening to us, 317 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 2: whether you're drinking alone or with a friend, and we 318 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: certainly hope you have a wonderful New Year's because that 319 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: is approaching so there will be drinks on a lot 320 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: of folks minds. But certainly thank you for listening to us. 321 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: I made me Roeboch alongside DJ Holmes. We'll talk to 322 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: you soon.