Speaker 1: Hey, guys, it's Shackie Goldschneider and Jen Fessler.
Speaker 2: We are two Jersey Jays. I feel like we haven't
Speaker 2: recorded in a little while.
Speaker 3: We absolutely have them almost are I don't like with
Speaker 3: our husbands.
Speaker 2: It was like a long time.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I think I blocked that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a long time. How was your Valentine's Day?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Valentine's Day? Completely uneventful. Yeah, I don't even We didn't
Speaker 3: even go out. We had we ate some brought some
Speaker 3: chocolate home. We exchanged cards. That's it. Wrap it up.
Speaker 1: You want to know two of my children have significant
Speaker 1: others now so new evening like driving them around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two of them.
Speaker 3: How cute is that? Come?
Speaker 2: I know, it's very very cute. It's very cute.
Speaker 3: Wait the older ones. I'm assuming your older time.
Speaker 1: My daughter's got a little boyfriend for like five Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they went months in dinner. Yeah, they really enjoy
Speaker 1: each other. They're super cute together. I mean, it's totally innocent.
Speaker 3: But she was fourteen, right.
Speaker 2: She's fourteen.
Speaker 1: And then my old are turning seventeen in three weeks
Speaker 1: and no hitch and they're getting in their licenses and
Speaker 1: that's a whole nother topic like I don't know how
Speaker 1: you did it, Like weren't you so nervous?
Speaker 2: Like how did you?
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't do it. That was
Speaker 3: one area that I knew I was not capable of parenting.
Speaker 3: So but not even to teach them to drive, I.
Speaker 1: Was too not even the teaching, like the nervousness driving
Speaker 1: when they they're like so nervous.
Speaker 3: I got nothing. I got nothing good for you. I
Speaker 3: don't know what to tell you. It's scary, yeah, but
Speaker 3: I mean the truth is, I'm even scared, not as
Speaker 3: much as Zach. I'm being honest, but I get nervous
Speaker 3: now with Rachel driving just and I you know, as
Speaker 3: much as you say to them, that's the only thing
Speaker 3: that you can be doing is driving. There is no this.
Speaker 3: There is no texting, there is no talking on the phone,
Speaker 3: there is no eating, there is no you have to
Speaker 3: just you know, focus, focus, focus on the road. But
Speaker 3: when I mean, they just don't always listen. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm always a nervous wrack about it, I know, agreed.
Speaker 1: Funny last night I went out with some girlfriends for
Speaker 1: drinks and we were talking about college because all our
Speaker 1: kids are in that mode of looking at colleges now,
Speaker 1: and we all started talking about like the stupid, stupid
Speaker 1: shit we did when we were in college, and we
Speaker 1: were like, it's a wonder that we're working alive. Can
Speaker 1: I just tell you that one time I went with
Speaker 1: my friends to a Caribbean island and we were in
Speaker 1: a casino in a Caribbean island, and we let these
Speaker 1: guys drive us home back to our hotel, and like,
Speaker 1: I am surprised that I still have a kidney, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know why something like.
Speaker 3: That I went home with guys. I mean, if we're
Speaker 3: going to just be honest, like looking back now in
Speaker 3: my twenties and I was like, woohoo, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: why would yeah drive whatever? Anyway, I was a bit
Speaker 3: of a hoe. But that's like a home makes.
Speaker 2: Me scared anyway.
Speaker 1: Just trust that your children will make decently good decisions
Speaker 1: and say no to drugs anyway.
Speaker 3: Drugs, yes, especially now ly it's that's a whole other
Speaker 3: topic that maybe we'll talk about. But I have a
Speaker 3: very dear friend whose sun died of fentanyl.
Speaker 1: Oh right, that's the one that you wear the sweatshirts
Speaker 1: being Jack happy to Jack.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my friend Brady, it's that's another Maybe she'll come on.
Speaker 3: That's another episode. It's a scary, serious topic. Then we
Speaker 3: have today today, we have some fun things to talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I am so excited for our guests because I feel
Speaker 1: like her her trajectory has been so multifaceted, like we
Speaker 1: can talk about one thing, we could talk about, another
Speaker 1: thing we could talk about.
Speaker 2: She's very interesting and she was not on my radar
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well no, if I'm being on she wasn't. But
Speaker 3: her publicist and I are good friends, and so as
Speaker 3: soon as he started telling me about her, I became
Speaker 3: very interested quickly because she is she is so interesting.
Speaker 3: She has also had her toe dipped in this world
Speaker 3: that wear it not just dipped. I guess she was
Speaker 3: on the housewid of Toronto. You guys, So today we
Speaker 3: are talking to Roxy Earl. And by the way, the
Speaker 3: only reason I hadn't heard of her is because I
Speaker 3: never watched the housewivese of Toronto. It was only on
Speaker 3: Right Sane.
Speaker 2: But if you had, you could know her because she
Speaker 2: was a standout.
Speaker 3: Yes, she was a standout. And Roxy did the one
Speaker 3: and only season of Housewives of Toronto wait, let me
Speaker 3: actually correct myself there maybe the one and only season.
Speaker 3: Thinking maybe not the one and only season, but we'll
Speaker 3: talk to her about that. So this women is really
Speaker 3: just the coolest you guys. So she has used her
Speaker 3: platform to raise awareness about body positivity and that is
Speaker 3: certainly a topic that Jack, you and I both are very,
Speaker 3: very interested in. Also women's empowerment. She is the world's
Speaker 3: first AI styling coach to get men ready for dates.
Speaker 3: So I would not want to. I would definitely not
Speaker 3: want to switch positions with her. That's not something I
Speaker 3: would ever be at all interested in. But I am
Speaker 3: fascinated as to why she would do it and what
Speaker 3: she's discovered. See. She's also the co founder of anna Health,
Speaker 3: which is actually.
Speaker 1: Which is really like something that I can relate to
Speaker 1: having had.
Speaker 2: Did you have any fertility problems?
Speaker 3: No, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean I went through five rounds of IVF myself,
Speaker 1: and I experienced a lot of dramatic ups and downs
Speaker 1: with fertility. Anyone who's been on that journey knows what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. There are very dark days, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of physical and mental implications of going through fertility treatments.
Speaker 2: So I cannot wait to talk to her about this.
Speaker 1: I mean, between the body positivity and the fertility app,
Speaker 1: I feel like I could talk to her probably for
Speaker 1: a month. So let's see. So she's the co founder
Speaker 1: of anna Health. It's called Annahealth and it's an app
Speaker 1: that she developed with her husband, doctor Arnold, to provide
Speaker 1: expert fertility care at home. What an interesting woman. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to talk to her. So everyone rocks here.
Speaker 2: Hi, Roxy, We are so excited to have you.
Speaker 4: Hi, pretty lady, my favorite girls from Jersey.
Speaker 1: Oh, so you're in Toronto right now.
Speaker 4: No, I'm at my house in Beverly Hills. Oh, I
Speaker 4: love you right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But you have two homes.
Speaker 3: You live in Beverly Hills and Toronto. Mm hmm, well
Speaker 3: that seems ideal.
Speaker 5: I mean, I go back and forth. But I'm spending
Speaker 5: a lot of time here in La right now. So
Speaker 5: it's very fabulous. It's pretty cold in Toronto right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jersey too, Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's starting it's starting that warm up. Anyway, enough
Speaker 1: small talk. We have so many questions for you.
Speaker 4: I'm just so excited to be on here for copy
Speaker 4: on your pod.
Speaker 3: We are so excited.
Speaker 4: It's amazing, really fun.
Speaker 2: So let's have fun, all right, get some fun? Okay,
Speaker 2: So can we start with the Real Housewives of Toronto?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Always like is this real?
Speaker 1: Man? Right?
Speaker 2: Did you love it? What were your feelings about? It
Speaker 2: was only one season?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: What year twenty seventeen?
Speaker 4: I can't remember. It's been a blarus since then.
Speaker 5: Okay, in one season. I had no idea what I
Speaker 5: was doing. Like all of us when we do the Housewives,
Speaker 5: I don't think we actually know what we're doing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: Yes, I would say, you're like, yes, fabulous, let's do it,
Speaker 5: and then you're like, what the hell has happened?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 5: And it was so much fun. It was insanity. I
Speaker 5: loved it. I had a really great experience. And then
Speaker 5: when the show came out, I mean, how do you say,
Speaker 5: you're like the loved one? Like, you know what, Favorite's
Speaker 5: like a really nice experience for me because I would
Speaker 5: go out in my city and you know what, it's like,
Speaker 5: everybody is so excited to see you. It was such
Speaker 5: a whirlwind. And then I like put the show to rest.
Speaker 5: I literally my career took off after that. All of
Speaker 5: these things happen. I never thought I would be doing
Speaker 5: the Housewives again, and I really just put it to
Speaker 5: rest in my mind, and I think, like, that's when
Speaker 5: Bravo comes calling. Is when you're like they're like, oh,
Speaker 5: expecting it right now. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: I didn't know where. They come back and they're like,
Speaker 5: we want to reboot the Housewives.
Speaker 4: But all when was this you?
Speaker 2: This was like a bit ago, a year ago, so
Speaker 2: ago that this is happening.
Speaker 4: Oh well no wait, ladies, I cannot confirm anything, but
Speaker 4: I can.
Speaker 5: I will give you this tea which I haven't shared
Speaker 5: with anyone, which is what happened. So they come and
Speaker 5: they're like, we want to do this whole reboot around you,
Speaker 5: your life, all these amazing entrepreneurs that you know, and
Speaker 5: all these fabulous women who are like your actual friends
Speaker 5: because you know, some girls on the show were my
Speaker 5: friends and some girls were not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we definitely know how that is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's get into that after tip, because I have
Speaker 5: a lot of questions for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And so they come back and they're like, I'm literally
Speaker 5: have a new I'm like married with two babies. No,
Speaker 5: that life left behind the one that was aired on TV.
Speaker 5: So it was like a whole new life that I'm
Speaker 5: now leading, and they're like, we want to film this.
Speaker 5: We've shoot this amazing pilot. We've shoot the first episode.
Speaker 5: It's so juicy. I've seen it. It's spicy.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, so you're really in it though you
Speaker 3: shot the pilot, like this is happening. Are you filmed
Speaker 3: more than the pilot?
Speaker 4: I cannot say, but I will say yes.
Speaker 5: I mean maybe not Jersey like your last episode of
Speaker 5: New Jersey.
Speaker 4: Not like quite there.
Speaker 2: Oh god, that thank god, just like a disasa.
Speaker 5: We'll get into it. So it wasn't that, but it
Speaker 5: was exciting. And then that's all I know. And now
Speaker 5: it's with the universe and I have no idea what's
Speaker 5: going to happen. And then since then, some amazing things
Speaker 5: are happening with my business. So I'm like spending a
Speaker 5: lot of time in la and I just don't know
Speaker 5: what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Like in the.
Speaker 5: Limbo fats and everyone's talking about how I'm coming back
Speaker 5: to the housewives, and I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm not lying to I don't know.
Speaker 3: You know who we are right now, we're the same
Speaker 3: feel about filming.
Speaker 4: My husband loves it.
Speaker 3: Oh really, you.
Speaker 5: Loved like he's he's like a famous doctor, Like he's
Speaker 5: got this whole personality that's like this whole thing, and
Speaker 5: he would never have thought of anything like this. And
Speaker 5: then when they wanted to film our lives, I said,
Speaker 5: the only rule, there is only one role.
Speaker 4: We just have to be if we want to do this.
Speaker 5: It's like one hundred percent ourselves, Like it only works
Speaker 5: if you're not pretending to be something you want to be.
Speaker 5: And he's so comfortable in his own skin and he's
Speaker 5: such a confident guy that it worked.
Speaker 4: We worked really well. We had so much fun.
Speaker 3: Like it was like, Oh, what kind of doctor is he?
Speaker 4: He's the most incredible fertility doctor in the world.
Speaker 3: He makes me that's okay, so right, that's why you
Speaker 3: made with him.
Speaker 2: Did he know who you were when he met you?
Speaker 4: No, he had no idea who I was. He'd never
Speaker 4: heard of the Housewives, never seen it.
Speaker 5: I mean, it was just this whirlwind romance and we
Speaker 5: fell in love and it was like the most beautiful story.
Speaker 5: But he'd never seen the Housewives. We didn't watch The
Speaker 5: Housewives of Toronto until actually we were like eight months
Speaker 5: pregnant with our first child. In like the depths of
Speaker 5: Covid being like, you know what we should do?
Speaker 4: We should see the Housewives, and.
Speaker 5: He's like, what is this? He's like this is so fun.
Speaker 5: He's like, you're so good at this, you should do
Speaker 5: this more. I'm sort of like, you know, when you
Speaker 5: don't know if you're getting another show, you kind of
Speaker 5: just are like, I don't I'm done with TV.
Speaker 4: Do you guys know how that feels.
Speaker 2: We're sort of on pause, so kind of yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you went back stack.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think both of us would like to. But
Speaker 3: I think that also for us because things are so near,
Speaker 3: there is a part of me and it's like you
Speaker 3: have to kind of let it go. It's it's yeah,
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 2: I would go back if it changed, if our cast changed.
Speaker 4: For sure, who would you go back with? Because that's
Speaker 4: what they.
Speaker 3: Said, We're not that's turning this around on us, lady, No, no, no,
Speaker 3: what you are on this podcast.
Speaker 1: It's not that I would go back with like certain friends.
Speaker 1: I'd go back with anyone who is open to letting
Speaker 1: go of past feuds because if they're not, then you're
Speaker 1: just gonna fight and fight and fight, and then it's
Speaker 1: not enjoyable and life is too short to do the
Speaker 1: shit that's not enjoyable.
Speaker 5: Right if it doesn't bring joy like we were getting
Speaker 5: ourselves into. But that's what I said to them when
Speaker 5: they came back. I said, no, no, I don't want
Speaker 5: to do anything. My life is incredible. I don't want
Speaker 5: to do anything that's not fun or that's twice or
Speaker 5: not positive.
Speaker 1: You know that the show is going to be dramatic.
Speaker 1: You know there's going to be like a little fighting
Speaker 1: and everything. But if you could be on the show
Speaker 1: with people who know how to like let it go
Speaker 1: and learn a lesson from it and move forward, then
Speaker 1: it's an enjoyable experience, even though you know what you're
Speaker 1: getting into. It's when people can't let go of anything
Speaker 1: and the fights just keep going that it's like NonStop fighting,
Speaker 1: and then it's strained.
Speaker 5: It's everyone says, and you guys must know this because
Speaker 5: they say to you, oh, is it real?
Speaker 4: And it's the most real thing like And the problem.
Speaker 5: Is is that everyone's like, oh, well, it's it's a
Speaker 5: TV show, So you can't like turn it off and
Speaker 5: go home and then forget about everything just happened that day.
Speaker 4: It like becoming when it's your real life.
Speaker 3: When I started, they the producer said to me, your
Speaker 3: job is who say everything you think? So right, So like,
Speaker 3: if I'm not on the Real Housewives of New Jersey
Speaker 3: and I think someone's an asshole, I don't probably going
Speaker 3: to keep it to myself, right, But the job is
Speaker 3: to say what you're thinking. And so it's a very
Speaker 3: it's a very strange, like alternate universe, but it can.
Speaker 3: It's I think it's brought all three of us. You know,
Speaker 3: lots of joy.
Speaker 2: Okay, so questions about Toronto.
Speaker 1: So so of the people on your original cast, you
Speaker 1: ate in touch with some of them or you're not
Speaker 1: in touch with any of them.
Speaker 5: I stayed in touch with a few, and they're like
Speaker 5: dear friends who I love, Like.
Speaker 4: Baby coming back with you were born? No one was. No.
Speaker 5: The whole thing when they brought it back to me
Speaker 5: was when I did the show, I was a lot
Speaker 5: younger and a lot different phase of my life than
Speaker 5: some of the other women.
Speaker 3: Rochie, how old are you? You look so young?
Speaker 4: Fun now?
Speaker 3: How old?
Speaker 4: I did forty one?
Speaker 3: Oh wow? I thought you were like thirty, me too,
Speaker 3: Look at you go.
Speaker 5: Girls Korean skincare and so I just when I did
Speaker 5: the show, though I was like in my early thirties,
Speaker 5: and honestly everyone was in there was at least in
Speaker 5: their forties or in their late forties at that time,
Speaker 5: and so we were just at different phases in our life.
Speaker 5: And I think when they came back to me what
Speaker 5: they said, because at first when they came back, I.
Speaker 4: Said, absolutely not.
Speaker 5: Like the housewives, as you know, can be very toxic,
Speaker 5: and so I'm very interested in putting positivity out into
Speaker 5: the world. So they said to me, well, what if
Speaker 5: it was the real people that you spend time with,
Speaker 5: the real networks that you have, like other women doing interesting,
Speaker 5: fabulous things.
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, but I know how you
Speaker 4: sell it.
Speaker 5: And then next thing you know, I'm like someone's throwing
Speaker 5: a drink in my face. And so I said it
Speaker 5: has to be like I understand if you put fabulous
Speaker 5: women together, there is natural drama, but I don't want
Speaker 5: anything that's going to be I don't want any people
Speaker 5: that are like they're not good people, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, Like they're toxic people, Like there's nothing you
Speaker 5: could do that was good with them. And so they
Speaker 5: said okay, and they cast the most incredible group of
Speaker 5: women and it was like, really, did our city proud?
Speaker 5: So I hope it makes it to the air. I
Speaker 5: don't know though, that's the tea. No one knows that, yeah,
Speaker 5: by every journalist, and I have not answered that. I'm
Speaker 5: sure my publicist is saying, stop talking.
Speaker 1: But well, we don't want to get you in trouble.
Speaker 4: But it's just it is what it is. Truth.
Speaker 5: I filmed something. I hope people get to see it.
Speaker 5: If they don't, life is so.
Speaker 3: Fabulous, Well so don't get to see it. We'll do
Speaker 3: a private screening maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So Roxie, when you were on your first season,
Speaker 1: you were very well known for being very body positive?
Speaker 1: Was that? And I have so many questions about that
Speaker 1: because I recovered publicly from a twenty year battle with
Speaker 1: anarexia on the air and now I'm like an activist
Speaker 1: for it for recovery. But tell me about like were
Speaker 1: the was the public very supportive or did you get
Speaker 1: mean comments?
Speaker 2: What was the experience like then? And where are you
Speaker 2: now in that journey?
Speaker 5: Whoa, it's such like a big like, first of all,
Speaker 5: congratulations for me, thank you to get to a point
Speaker 5: where you're able to openly talk about something that can
Speaker 5: be very challenging and painful. So the thing is is
Speaker 5: that when I did The Housewives, I had no idea
Speaker 5: my body would be such a topic of conversation.
Speaker 4: On the show.
Speaker 5: And in my first interview, we sit down with Entertainment
Speaker 5: Tonight and she says, how does it feel to be
Speaker 5: the first plus size housewife? And I'm like what, Like, wow,
Speaker 5: can you imagine like all of the shame that's wrapped
Speaker 5: up in that word?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm looking at.
Speaker 5: Myself and I'm thinking like I didn't. I had never
Speaker 5: identified like I knew I was curvier than some of
Speaker 5: the other Like Okay, look, I've led my whole life
Speaker 5: in a society.
Speaker 4: World where I go to events.
Speaker 5: I go to Galla's, everyone's a size zero and everyone
Speaker 5: looked a certain way, and then there's me.
Speaker 4: But I never kind of felt of myself as like
Speaker 4: the plus size.
Speaker 5: One, Like I'd never It's certainly not something i'd openly said.
Speaker 5: And I actually in that moment it was like I had.
Speaker 5: It was like she had like daggers to my heart,
Speaker 5: Like I understand that it was such a shameful thing
Speaker 5: because in my mind, I'm thinking, all these people are
Speaker 5: going to see me on the housewive, They're gonna see
Speaker 5: me this fabulous life, Like it's gonna be amazing every
Speaker 5: guy I've turned out, every job I've been fired from, Like,
Speaker 5: you're all gonna see me.
Speaker 4: And then she's like, and you're plus.
Speaker 1: Size and.
Speaker 3: That is so completely messed up, Like I am trying
Speaker 3: to picture a scenario where you didn't even discuss that beforehand,
Speaker 3: and she just pulls that out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I turned to her. It just came
Speaker 4: out of me.
Speaker 5: I said, I'm not plus size, I'm my size and
Speaker 5: hashtag my size rocks because I was like, who are
Speaker 5: you to label me?
Speaker 4: Like this is my size. You don't get to put me.
Speaker 5: In whatever box that has been clearly orchestrated around me.
Speaker 4: And in that moment, I just like owned.
Speaker 5: I just had like a split second to decide to
Speaker 5: how to react, and I guess just like my instinct was,
Speaker 5: this is.
Speaker 4: My body, this is my story. I'm gonna own this well.
Speaker 5: I can't even tell you. Like it was like that
Speaker 5: a movement was born. I became because I was sharing openly.
Speaker 5: I would be going on a press tour and like
Speaker 5: stylists are trying to put me in these designer dresses.
Speaker 4: Nothing fits.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to like zip it up, it's like breaking
Speaker 5: on the seams. And I was like, this is crazy,
Speaker 5: and so I just started designing my own clothes for
Speaker 5: my own use. Fashion company was born. I became like
Speaker 5: the face of inclusive fashion. I was the first person
Speaker 5: to put extra small the three x in one store
Speaker 5: at the same price, and I demanded that the retailer be, like,
Speaker 5: not put this at like a plus size store in
Speaker 5: the basement.
Speaker 4: I was like, I.
Speaker 5: Don't want women to experience the shame I feel when
Speaker 5: you make me go to some other store for special
Speaker 5: big girls. And I just really was one of the
Speaker 5: first people to do that, and it began to you know,
Speaker 5: some people call me an advocate. I don't know what
Speaker 5: they call me, but I was. I was I was
Speaker 5: going to make sure that women didn't have that same
Speaker 5: negative experience that I had had special moments in their life.
Speaker 5: I designed wedding gowns, dresses for events like anything.
Speaker 2: You have background in design, No, I have no idea
Speaker 2: you had.
Speaker 3: You had no idea. You just started designing straight out
Speaker 3: of just because.
Speaker 1: Wow the brand and was.
Speaker 5: Like, I need to do this, here's my vision. And
Speaker 5: I and it really really did well, and so many
Speaker 5: amazing collections, swimwhear everything. But what was interesting is like
Speaker 5: I was I stepped into it, but I was also
Speaker 5: like figuring it out on my own, like I was
Speaker 5: stepping into my confidence weirdly with the shared experience with
Speaker 5: the audience and with the viewers and social media, like
Speaker 5: I was going through it with them. I was trying
Speaker 5: on Jeanes that I'd never worn before. I was discovering
Speaker 5: clothes that would actually fit me in brands I was designing,
Speaker 5: and I was having moments that were all they shared
Speaker 5: these moments. So I was like, I have a wedding
Speaker 5: coming out. I need something like red black tie to wear.
Speaker 5: Can't find a dress that fits a size twelve anywhere
Speaker 5: the time, twelve was huge, and so.
Speaker 2: At twelve was huge, but I always think of twelve.
Speaker 3: Well maybe not anymore, but like I just remember Oprah
Speaker 3: saying once I would die to fit into a twelve.
Speaker 2: She wheeled out the medium size.
Speaker 5: So much has happened in a few years when it
Speaker 5: comes to inclusivity, and so it was just crazy. And
Speaker 5: then what was happening, which was this really kind of
Speaker 5: dark other side of it was at home I was
Speaker 5: with this like older finance guy who was not happy
Speaker 5: to be known as the plus size girls.
Speaker 4: Partner, and so my like, I wasn't technically.
Speaker 5: Married, but I had a wedding and everything. So you know,
Speaker 5: just anyways, this is we need a whole podcast for
Speaker 5: that relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to dig in there, but I.
Speaker 5: Had the full relationship and by all means, I was
Speaker 5: very committed to it. And I just he was interested
Speaker 5: in this young girl and this like trophy wife, and
Speaker 5: my body was with all the travel and the stress
Speaker 5: and the excitement and everything, I was eating a lot
Speaker 5: to feel good and I was gaining weight. So it
Speaker 5: was it was like I stepped into this role and
Speaker 5: then also was gaining weight. And then at home, my
Speaker 5: confidence was just being deteriorated because he hated my size
Speaker 5: and he was like, you're fat, You're ugly, I won't
Speaker 5: sleep with you. And I'm like having this private experience
Speaker 5: of sh like all this shame and low self esteem.
Speaker 5: And then on the next day, I'm waking up and
Speaker 5: getting into a swimsuit I designed with a bunch of
Speaker 5: models I picked who all have bodies that look like
Speaker 5: something I can identify with. And then literally shooting a
Speaker 5: campaign that's going to be on a billboard talking about confidence.
Speaker 2: Right, it doesn't work when your life's not in sync
Speaker 2: like that. What happened?
Speaker 4: When you talk about what was the experience?
Speaker 5: It's been such a journey in this time since I've
Speaker 5: done the show, I've put on weight. I've now lost
Speaker 5: sixty pounds in a very hodiful way. I had two children,
Speaker 5: I got remarried, I fell in love, I built an app,
Speaker 5: I built a company, and it's all just happened out
Speaker 5: of just letting go of all the toxicity and just
Speaker 5: being fully.
Speaker 4: Confident in who I am.
Speaker 5: And now my body is a beautiful twelve again, and
Speaker 5: I'm happy and I own every aspect of who I am.
Speaker 5: And along the way, thousands and thousands and thousands of
Speaker 5: women have felt a sense of empowerment.
Speaker 4: So it's been this weird journey. I love that.
Speaker 1: Can I go back to the show for one second.
Speaker 1: I just have a question, two questions, Why was it canceled?
Speaker 1: And also were you devastated when it was canceled.
Speaker 5: I really wanted it to come back because it felt
Speaker 5: like my only lifeline at the moment when I did
Speaker 5: the show, and the show came out.
Speaker 4: It was like I knew it was my out if
Speaker 4: that makes sense from the relationship that I was in.
Speaker 5: So I was I had this like high flying career
Speaker 5: when I was young, living all over the world working
Speaker 5: and advertising for American Express, and I was like, I
Speaker 5: had a pretty big career. And then this guy was like,
Speaker 5: I don't want you to work, and he's like, it
Speaker 5: makes more sense for you to travel with me and
Speaker 5: be with me, and you don't need money.
Speaker 3: So where's this guy now? I just have to know.
Speaker 2: I feel like he's a villain character and like Bonfire
Speaker 2: the Vanities, not a bad.
Speaker 5: Person, but he was suffering from a lot of addiction
Speaker 5: and a lot of things that made.
Speaker 4: Him do some very mean and cruel things.
Speaker 3: But I don't very magnanimous of you.
Speaker 5: Wow, it wasn't for that journey, I would have never
Speaker 5: ended up with my husband. My husband is literally he
Speaker 5: was the tax on this beautiful love I have. Now
Speaker 5: I have beautiful times with him, but there were some
Speaker 5: very toxic times.
Speaker 4: But he made me into this powerful.
Speaker 5: Woman that I was a bit of already, but it
Speaker 5: just magnified.
Speaker 4: So I thank him.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's very evolved. I still curse all my ex boyfriends.
Speaker 5: No, I really am grateful that I went through experiences
Speaker 5: that taught me what love is supposed to look like,
Speaker 5: what life, How I can live life like.
Speaker 4: I learned a lot and it brought me to my
Speaker 4: now husband.
Speaker 5: And so I if I go back to the show
Speaker 5: at that moment that no one ever canceled us.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like you're canceled. It's like they put us
Speaker 4: on hold.
Speaker 5: And I was like, when does the whole end? Do
Speaker 5: I start shopping for next season? Do I start like
Speaker 5: getting ready, like I mean limbo? And so I was
Speaker 5: in limbo for a long time and very attached to
Speaker 5: the idea because it felt like my only way out.
Speaker 1: Did the other ladies feel like that too, Like they
Speaker 1: were just waiting and waiting and waiting.
Speaker 5: And everyone kept on waiting and waiting and waiting and saying.
Speaker 2: Oh, when did you guys like stop waiting?
Speaker 4: One day, I just stopped waiting.
Speaker 5: It was like a relationship, you know, it's like a
Speaker 5: weird relationship.
Speaker 4: I just stopped waiting one day.
Speaker 5: I was like this, people are never calling me, like
Speaker 5: I don't know what's happening. And we had a lot
Speaker 5: of complications with our cast.
Speaker 4: Let's say, how do we say that?
Speaker 3: Just like that? I think that's a perfect way of
Speaker 3: putting it. Only you guys, with our listeners, I'm sure
Speaker 3: we as well know we have an inkling about what
Speaker 3: you're talking about. We know what complications.
Speaker 5: Let's say this in the world of housewives, it's great
Speaker 5: for drama, juicy the women who have no self awareness,
Speaker 5: they make great TV.
Speaker 4: But the drama can't be drama.
Speaker 5: That actually interferes with you making a TV show, right
Speaker 5: exactly same like it's supposed to still be fun, ladies,
Speaker 5: and when it goes too far, it's and you have
Speaker 5: like all of this stuff happening in people's private lives
Speaker 5: that is like from the show, but now it's happening
Speaker 5: off screen.
Speaker 4: That's not useful for producers. And so when you have
Speaker 4: all of these things going on.
Speaker 5: In the background that are insane, it makes it difficult
Speaker 5: for producers to make a TV show, which at the
Speaker 5: end of the day, you need people to show up
Speaker 5: and start filming a TV show.
Speaker 4: You're like, where are you?
Speaker 5: Because I hate her and I'm doing her and it's like,
Speaker 5: well wait, what so.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question? And please if I'm overstepping,
Speaker 1: you do not have to answer. But being somebody who's
Speaker 1: body positive and I come from a world where I
Speaker 1: used to be much thinner than I am now I
Speaker 1: am not considered like overweight, but I definitely feel the
Speaker 1: way game. How what do you ever get tempted by
Speaker 1: the all the new diet drugs, especially now that you're
Speaker 1: going to be back on TV.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, how could you not be tempted? It's like,
Speaker 5: but also I want to like release this shame about.
Speaker 2: This, Like, no, no shame about it, just question.
Speaker 5: Even Okay for me, I've had a really complex journey
Speaker 5: with food and loving my body and falling.
Speaker 4: In love with myself.
Speaker 3: Welcome me.
Speaker 4: I had to do this my way.
Speaker 5: I had to do this in a way that was sustainable,
Speaker 5: and that was about my health and my relationship with food.
Speaker 4: And I've spent years doing that.
Speaker 5: And I really am at a point where I feel
Speaker 5: incredible and healthy. I birthed two beautiful children in my
Speaker 5: late thirties, Like it was, it's been a transformation that
Speaker 5: everybody's watched. That being said, I courage every single human
Speaker 5: being to do whatever they need to do to get healthy.
Speaker 5: It's like really challenging food stuff, overeating, struggling with your way.
Speaker 4: This stuff is hard to manage.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is. You are preaching to the court, singing
Speaker 3: to the court, preaching to schools that.
Speaker 4: Are going to make you feel good.
Speaker 5: Do it, and just don't look at other people and say, oh,
Speaker 5: because she leads this life, it's easy for her, but
Speaker 5: not for me. It's not easy. It's not easy for people.
Speaker 5: But it's very tempting for people to look at someone's
Speaker 5: life on social media and say, oh, well, because she's rich,
Speaker 5: or she has a chef, or she has this.
Speaker 4: I don't have a chef.
Speaker 5: First of all, I have I run a startup, and
Speaker 5: I have two babies.
Speaker 4: I have a lot. I'm busy as well.
Speaker 2: Are you getting that kind of backlash?
Speaker 3: Are people being haters?
Speaker 5: They're not haters, but they're like, well, it's easy for
Speaker 5: you to say you lost the way, you have a trainer,
Speaker 5: you have this, and.
Speaker 3: I'm like, not easy.
Speaker 5: Period a single morning after not sleeping with a newborn
Speaker 5: and worked out. I worked out till the day before
Speaker 5: I gave birth. I've been watching to eat, like, so,
Speaker 5: don't look at other people's lives and say oh, because
Speaker 5: it's them.
Speaker 4: They can do it, but.
Speaker 2: I can't do it.
Speaker 4: That doesn't serve you.
Speaker 5: My message to everyone is just take ownership of your
Speaker 5: own health.
Speaker 4: Don't blame anyone.
Speaker 2: It is on you.
Speaker 4: We all go through.
Speaker 5: Bad things, a lot of people are victims of horrible stuff.
Speaker 5: That doesn't mean that you can't take control of your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's when I say, with that, does that answer it? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's basically everybody has to do what's
Speaker 1: right for their own life.
Speaker 5: And if you're tempted, explore it, talk about it with
Speaker 5: your doctor. It might be great for you. I would
Speaker 5: one hundred percent be I tell everyone I would be
Speaker 5: open with doing anything. I want to do all the
Speaker 5: things to be the best, and I'm not going to experience.
Speaker 4: Any shame around them. And I think that's the weird
Speaker 4: part is people being like and I'm like what, And I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, oh.
Speaker 2: My god.
Speaker 3: You know it's changed already just in the short amount
Speaker 3: of time.
Speaker 4: Whispering about it.
Speaker 5: I'd be telling you it's like when you got a
Speaker 5: great new skincare serum.
Speaker 4: Friends not high at Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, in the very short time that ozempic and and
Speaker 3: drugs like ozempic have been around. I think there's been
Speaker 3: such a shift in the way that people do view them,
Speaker 3: and I think a lot of that is because of
Speaker 3: the fact that people are open. I think that that's
Speaker 3: happened with things like plastic surgery. I think that the
Speaker 3: more people are open about it, the less shame there is,
Speaker 3: and every the attitude becomes whatever it is that makes
Speaker 3: you happy, that makes you feel good. I mean that's
Speaker 3: I've always been very open about all of those whatever
Speaker 3: process or procedure I'm trying because like you, it's like
Speaker 3: I like to share it. If it's making me feel good.
Speaker 3: Who knows, maybe it'll make you feel good. But I
Speaker 3: feel like there's the stigma has dropped out a little bit.
Speaker 1: Although I have to be fully authentic, I'm not one
Speaker 1: hundred percent on the everybody do what works for you thing.
Speaker 1: I think there does need to be some more regulation
Speaker 1: around who gets access to these kinds of drugs because
Speaker 1: I think that if we encourage people who only have
Speaker 1: five ten pounds to lose to go on these drugs,
Speaker 1: and then you're stuck on them because when you come off,
Speaker 1: you gain it back. You set people off on a
Speaker 1: cycle of eating disorders and disordered eatings that I have
Speaker 1: a vested in just in not seeing masses of people
Speaker 1: journey into So I do think there needs to be
Speaker 1: more regulation. And I don't stand behind people who don't
Speaker 1: need the drugs going on them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like with a totally different lens, right, But I
Speaker 5: would say to I answer your question the most honestly
Speaker 5: I can. I don't know anyone who has struggled with
Speaker 5: weight their whole life who isn't tempted by all of
Speaker 5: these being bombarded by all the born afters of Look.
Speaker 4: How amazing miracle.
Speaker 5: But I have learned in every aspect of my life
Speaker 5: that there is no miracle answer for anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, put in the hard work in everything.
Speaker 5: That is the only way true, good, solid, long lasting
Speaker 5: things are built. It is in relationships in your body.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of which, speaking of work that you put in,
Speaker 3: tell us about your app please.
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, this is another beautiful journey on our fertility app.
Speaker 5: So my husband, who's this incredible fertility doctor, doctor Arnold,
Speaker 5: he has a practice here in Beaveraly Hills now, and
Speaker 5: when what was happening is all, first of all, everybody
Speaker 5: wanted to see him and not everybody can see him
Speaker 5: because he's in one place.
Speaker 4: And so that combined with.
Speaker 5: Our own journey of me being told before I met
Speaker 5: Arnold that I would need IVS and I went to
Speaker 5: two fancy doctors in California and they both said, you're
Speaker 5: gonna need IVF, and I just so happened to fall
Speaker 5: in love with the fertility doctor.
Speaker 4: Ah oh, I love that. It was just like it
Speaker 4: was perfect.
Speaker 5: And I said to him almost like I think it
Speaker 5: was our first date. I was like, well, I've been
Speaker 5: told I need IVF and he was like, okay, well wait.
Speaker 2: Were you Were you trying to get pregnant at the
Speaker 2: time with your eggs? Oh, so you to see what
Speaker 2: your fertility status was.
Speaker 5: I wanted to freeze my eggs, oh got it, okay,
Speaker 5: because I knew I wasn't having a baby anytime soon.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay.
Speaker 5: He had promised we would have kids for years and
Speaker 5: years and years, and't it it just never Well, good thing,
Speaker 5: thank god, And.
Speaker 4: So I wanted to freeze my eggs.
Speaker 5: I went to these doctors in California and both of
Speaker 5: them are like, well, yeah, you're gonna need to freeze
Speaker 5: your eggs and you're going to need to do IVF.
Speaker 4: So it's a good thing you're here.
Speaker 5: And I was very it's a big thing to carry
Speaker 5: as a woman, and so when I was single, like,
Speaker 5: that's a lot to carry on your shoulders. And so
Speaker 5: I just so happened to fall in love with the
Speaker 5: fertility doctor.
Speaker 4: I'm telling him this story.
Speaker 5: And so when we wanted when we were ready for children,
Speaker 5: we he was like, before we do any IVF, first
Speaker 5: of all, we're going to like make some changes. And
Speaker 5: he really helped me like transform some lifestyle things, some diets,
Speaker 5: some supplements. We started using like proper tracking. Most trackers
Speaker 5: in apps are not accurate, so we were tracking my
Speaker 5: ovulation correctly and low on behold, I got pregnant at
Speaker 5: thirty eight naturally, and then I get up thirty nine naturally.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: And a lot of people.
Speaker 5: Were interested in the story in our journey, and so
Speaker 5: we turned his program into an app called on a Fertility,
Speaker 5: which allows people to get pregnant at home. And what
Speaker 5: it does is in the US, especially if you walk
Speaker 5: into a fertility clinic to get advice about your fertility,
Speaker 5: you're going to be sold IVF or you're going to
Speaker 5: be sold egg freezing. It's like walking into a bakery
Speaker 5: and not being sold bread, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: And so IVF is like really over sold in this
Speaker 5: country and we wanted to change that because not everybody
Speaker 5: needs it. There is a lot of data around the
Speaker 5: fact that a lot of people who are getting it
Speaker 5: are getting it who would have otherwise got pregnant if
Speaker 5: they made small changes in their life. Wow, well you
Speaker 5: can do at home. We've done a lot of research
Speaker 5: on this ourselves and done a lot of studies.
Speaker 1: And I went through five rounds of IVF myself, so
Speaker 1: I know, but I destroyed my fertility with my anorexia.
Speaker 1: But so I think this is so useful and so
Speaker 1: important because it is so texting on your body and
Speaker 1: your mental health, your physical health.
Speaker 2: It's really really difficult. Oh it's so expensive.
Speaker 3: And you tell us, like one thing that you you
Speaker 3: can suggest that's not you know, under the umbrella of
Speaker 3: IVF that is helpful in terms of fertility, Like what
Speaker 3: do you what is one of the things that you got.
Speaker 4: Download anestly.
Speaker 5: Download our app on a because what it does is
Speaker 5: it takes you through all the aspects.
Speaker 4: It's like it has you.
Speaker 5: It's like linked to your wearable if you're using a
Speaker 5: wearable and like tracking your your movement, your basal body temperature.
Speaker 5: It talks about nutrition, about the types of workouts you
Speaker 5: should be doing, a different types of your cycle. Our
Speaker 5: hormone horoscopes tells you the kinds of things that you
Speaker 5: need to be consuming and doing. We also have a
Speaker 5: mental health piece for it, because stress is a huge
Speaker 5: impact on fertility, and it's a craftful experience. So there's
Speaker 5: like daily think, daily pump ups and meditations that you're
Speaker 5: doing to keep your body calm, your mind calm.
Speaker 4: Also it is.
Speaker 5: Does this medical diagnostics that you go through and then
Speaker 5: gives you a personalized recommendation of what supplements you should
Speaker 5: be taking. And then it says here's the different supplements.
Speaker 5: Take these different things, and then it can even send
Speaker 5: you the medication to your house if you do need
Speaker 5: a little bit of medication. But all of that and
Speaker 5: you can chat directly with the fertility doctor who is
Speaker 5: my husband, doctor Arnold, And so it's like for all
Speaker 5: of the patients who can't see this doctor in Beverly Hills,
Speaker 5: you have access to what he would do if you
Speaker 5: sack down in front of him in your first visit
Speaker 5: before you get to iv He has a lot of
Speaker 5: incredible patients who need IVF and for them it's a miracle.
Speaker 2: How did you know how to start an app?
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know if I can't even turn on
Speaker 1: my TV half the time, how did you know how
Speaker 1: to start an app?
Speaker 4: Maybe? I built companies.
Speaker 2: That's what I do. Business nice, crazy.
Speaker 5: I all developers learned the business, built out the medical
Speaker 5: diagnostic tools with Arnold, got to know what our patients
Speaker 5: really needed and wanted. We studied them, built something amazing
Speaker 5: and wonderful stories have come out of it. And we
Speaker 5: then launched in Canada and lots of people were using
Speaker 5: it and people are getting pregnant and so literally this
Speaker 5: week we launch in the US.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm happy that it's amazing. I'm feeling both inspired
Speaker 2: and wildly under accomplished straight now.
Speaker 5: Well, it's very important to give access to care, like
Speaker 5: the medical space is so gated, and I just so
Speaker 5: happy and to have this incredible doctor with me who
Speaker 5: told me what to do. If I didn't have him,
Speaker 5: I would have gone back to that fertility clinic. Spent
Speaker 5: thirty thousand dollars a pop on IVF, had a lot
Speaker 5: of trauma from that to my body and you know,
Speaker 5: my mind and gone through that whole process, and it
Speaker 5: would have been totally unnecessary.
Speaker 3: We had interviewed a while back Maria Minunos, and she
Speaker 3: has had quite a bit of you know, health struggle
Speaker 3: issues and scared, not just scared, she's dealing with a lot,
Speaker 3: but so she has not just taken the traditional approach.
Speaker 3: She has also looked into methods that are really serving
Speaker 3: her and she has she said, brain tumors and hype
Speaker 3: one diabetes. But she said some things to us when
Speaker 3: we spoke with her, just about like staring at the
Speaker 3: sun and that can do in terms of you know,
Speaker 3: we're always told to stay away from the sun anyway.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm digressing, but I think it's always so
Speaker 3: interesting to find people who have answers that are not
Speaker 3: necessarily the ones that traditional medicine are providing.
Speaker 5: You know, totally, we're very we're very intertwined with Chinese medicine,
Speaker 5: nature past and if you follow Arnold Instagram is doctor
Speaker 5: Arnold MD. He talks about a lot of these things
Speaker 5: to do, but I'd say one big tip is inflammation.
Speaker 5: Managing inflammation through diet is a real has a really
Speaker 5: important impact on your fertility, on the state of your
Speaker 5: uterine environment, on your ability to get pregnant, and he
Speaker 5: has found that managing inflammation with his patients has been
Speaker 5: the game changer for them.
Speaker 1: Wow, you feel like you're done now or are you
Speaker 1: going to put your app to use?
Speaker 2: For number three?
Speaker 5: I unfortunately got very sick when I gave birth to
Speaker 5: my daughter.
Speaker 2: Died, So wow, you've had interesting life.
Speaker 4: Wow, it was really stressful.
Speaker 5: I got sepsis and a rare case of it, and
Speaker 5: I was in the ICU.
Speaker 2: Oh right after birth.
Speaker 5: And so after that they said I wouldn't be able
Speaker 5: to have any more children, and I just sort of
Speaker 5: thought that was like god sway of saying or our family,
Speaker 5: You're comple.
Speaker 1: Was did did anything transfer to your daughter during birth
Speaker 1: or in utero?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Thank God? And you're totally healthy. Fine, now everything great.
Speaker 5: I've ever been like, definitely much with death as you.
Speaker 5: If you weren't motivated to take care of your health
Speaker 5: before you, I mean I was, but I was even
Speaker 5: more like now, I'm like obsessed with health and wellness.
Speaker 1: So you've got the You've got the fashion line, that's
Speaker 1: where is that being sold in stores?
Speaker 3: Where is that?
Speaker 2: Where can people find that.
Speaker 5: Oh, I honestly had done I think fifteen collections and
Speaker 5: so I've just put it to rap because I'm so
Speaker 5: busy with my fashion, with not my action line, with
Speaker 5: the app, and so it was that's an all consuming thing.
Speaker 5: And so I did my last collection about eight months.
Speaker 4: Ago, and then I decided that I just.
Speaker 5: Have to be fully focused on everything we're doing with Anna.
Speaker 4: There's so much excitement.
Speaker 5: And it's just where my interests, Like, you've got to
Speaker 5: keep evolving creatively, and that's just where my interests were
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll bet you if Toronto, when Toronto comes back
Speaker 3: and people look at you and your style and what
Speaker 3: you've got going on, I bet You're going to get
Speaker 3: some requests to bring back I'll ask.
Speaker 5: But the thing is is that I everyone's like, why
Speaker 5: if your left collection sold out, Like, why wouldn't you
Speaker 5: do it again? And I was like, because I need
Speaker 5: to keep evolving of what is.
Speaker 4: Inspiring me in this moment.
Speaker 5: Like I had a lot of ideas that I really
Speaker 5: wanted to get out in fashion.
Speaker 4: I got those out and now I'm like obsessed with
Speaker 4: everything that's happening in.
Speaker 5: Fertility and wellness and women women's health, and like, the
Speaker 5: more I learn about it, the more I understand that
Speaker 5: it's so many gatekeepers, it's not accessible to so many women.
Speaker 5: And I was like, the whole reason for the fashion
Speaker 5: line was to have an impact on someone who wasn't
Speaker 5: able to get something that would fit them.
Speaker 4: Like it started. I'm obsessed with fashion.
Speaker 5: I love fashion, but it started because I wanted to
Speaker 5: help change a moment in their life where they felt
Speaker 5: shame or where they would literally miss a wedding because
Speaker 5: they didn't have something to wear. That's where that started.
Speaker 5: And so my goal of empowering and inspiring women is
Speaker 5: just keeps evolving.
Speaker 4: And this is where it's brought me now.
Speaker 1: I love that. Can I just tell you what I
Speaker 1: so relate to that because and I know it was
Speaker 1: a really long time ago, but I was very overweight
Speaker 1: in high school and I wrote a book and I
Speaker 1: wrote about this in my book that I had a
Speaker 1: really hard time with the whole prom dress shopping because
Speaker 1: everyone in high school, all the stores in the wall
Speaker 1: are catered to women being like, at the most a
Speaker 1: size eight, and I couldn't find a dress. And I
Speaker 1: would watch all of the other seventeen eighteen year olds
Speaker 1: buying these tiny little dresses, and I would go into
Speaker 1: stores and absolutely nothing would fit me, and I had
Speaker 1: to have something made, and like the dry cleaner made
Speaker 1: something from my mom found someone to make me a
Speaker 1: dress and it was a mess and it was just
Speaker 1: like one long piece of felt.
Speaker 2: And I honestly felt so awful at my prom.
Speaker 1: And the whole experience of shopping when nothing fits you
Speaker 1: is unless you've been through it, it is so draining
Speaker 1: and amiliating and exhausting, and so I like applaud you.
Speaker 3: I was in high school and with my best friend
Speaker 3: shopping and there was nothing, and she said to me
Speaker 3: in a dressing room, maybe we should go over to
Speaker 3: She was very like Lane Bryant or and I remember
Speaker 3: being so insulted. Yeah, and it was the truth. There
Speaker 3: was nothing to fit me. I needed to go to
Speaker 3: Lane Bryant. But I was if you guys listeners, that's
Speaker 3: like a plus size store. Is it still around? I
Speaker 3: think it is.
Speaker 4: I think it is.
Speaker 2: There was a store in my wall called five seven nine.
Speaker 2: Did you know about that?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: Did they have that in Canada? Oh my god, what
Speaker 2: a disaster.
Speaker 1: It was like basically to like the sizes five seven nine,
Speaker 1: but they weren't five seven nine. Everything was like a
Speaker 1: size zero two or a four and four was the
Speaker 1: biggest you could get, and like to even have a
Speaker 1: store like that.
Speaker 2: It was so humiliating to somebody.
Speaker 3: Andy Melville is like that, I think, yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 5: I think it was an interesting space to be in.
Speaker 5: I loved it, but I did it at a time
Speaker 5: when no one was doing it, and I was very
Speaker 5: proud of all the work that I've done. But now
Speaker 5: I feel like there are choices, and so I'm on
Speaker 5: to conquer and disrupt.
Speaker 4: The next industry. I love that you have to just
Speaker 4: and everyone's like.
Speaker 5: But we want anything suits and I was like, I know, okay,
Speaker 5: just wait for me to retire and then I'll do
Speaker 5: a resort.
Speaker 4: We're alyve like, I just can't right now. I can't
Speaker 4: do everything.
Speaker 1: So when you have time, you have time to be
Speaker 1: a mom and do the app and film the show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I can't also then also run my clothing
Speaker 5: line right afore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I have to chick and choose.
Speaker 5: I have to, and why not leave when something successful
Speaker 5: before it ends up on like the sales rack and
Speaker 5: the outlet for you.
Speaker 1: I love that well, I love that we're interviewing you
Speaker 1: during like International Women's Month because you're so inspiring and
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for women like you in the world because
Speaker 1: you put a lot of good into the world.
Speaker 2: And you guys, you guys are thank you and.
Speaker 4: Entertaining people don't. Don't.
Speaker 5: Let's not that we're entertainers and we're people's escape when
Speaker 5: they're sitting at home.
Speaker 4: They're like, we just I loved watching you.
Speaker 5: It's like a mom from your own life that you
Speaker 5: just get to like to be in someone else's world.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and for sure that like the Housewives, Past Housewives,
Speaker 1: kind Housewives, anyone who's ever been.
Speaker 2: A housewife or on these shows.
Speaker 1: It's almost like you know what each other is going through,
Speaker 1: even if you don't love each other like a sorority.
Speaker 1: It truly is you have something that a few people understand.
Speaker 4: But I've met.
Speaker 5: Girls from actually met girls from your show, and I've
Speaker 5: met girls from other New York shows, let's say, and there.
Speaker 5: I remember like Ramona turns to me and I better
Speaker 5: week and I was like, oh, I'm in the real
Speaker 5: houses at Toronto.
Speaker 4: She's like, I've never heard of that.
Speaker 5: And I was like, so it sounds like her like
Speaker 5: how many seasons did you know? And I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: I've just done one season. She was like, I've done
Speaker 5: like twenty or I don't know when I don't have any.
Speaker 3: That was part of it, I have to say, And
Speaker 3: only Ramona Ramona's case, could that be part of the charm?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Only she could pull up.
Speaker 3: Maybe not for you in that moment, but she was
Speaker 3: when you say, no self awareness, like that's Ramona.
Speaker 5: But and we were like show and I was already
Speaker 5: self conscious because I was like the plus size one
Speaker 5: at the show. And I don't know that's my own issue.
Speaker 5: But it was just like not all, not all of
Speaker 5: the women are like, oh, you're not in my sorority, honey,
Speaker 5: Oh well.
Speaker 2: You're in our sorority. And when the show comes back,
Speaker 2: Jen and I would would love to fly to Toronto
Speaker 2: to be at the premiere party.
Speaker 4: Well let's I.
Speaker 5: Mean, I don't know that the next tomorrow there's gonna
Speaker 5: be like a there's gonna be an article that Roxy.
Speaker 4: Says the show I did. I just for the.
Speaker 3: Record, I'm manifesting and I can't stand that one we're manifesting.
Speaker 2: I like that word.
Speaker 4: Yes, no confornimation. You could give me advice.
Speaker 5: You probably know better than me, like, how does it
Speaker 5: actually work?
Speaker 4: How long do they make you? Wait?
Speaker 3: That's Jackie, she knows way better than me.
Speaker 4: Do you actually hear? Like I actually wanted to know?
Speaker 2: You may be able a friend. It's all different.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you've got a six, it's all about money, right,
Speaker 1: So if the pilot gets advertising, then you're on.
Speaker 2: You know it'll be a go.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's all the TV world, Like sometimes
Speaker 1: I cancel things that I don't know, Like they just
Speaker 1: canceled VANDR Punk rolls right like the current cast and
Speaker 1: they were.
Speaker 2: Like killing it. So I don't know. Sometimes I don't
Speaker 2: know how it works.
Speaker 4: I don't know either.
Speaker 5: I don't know if any of us are going back
Speaker 5: to the house. I this is the answer, but they
Speaker 5: were all, you're going. Can someone let us all know,
Speaker 5: like a group email would be helpful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, and are going to try to make an
Speaker 1: app so we have something to do just exactly so
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 5: An app for you. I have a big I have
Speaker 5: some ideas.
Speaker 3: I have some idea a menopause menopause app.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need a menopause I.
Speaker 5: Already built a menopause app and we'd use it privately
Speaker 5: with some of Arnold's menopause patients. And I think that's
Speaker 5: another space that has so much un known information.
Speaker 3: Like starting it's actually though it's starting to take off.
Speaker 3: I see a lot of menopause pages, a lot of
Speaker 3: like Tamson Fidal, who was a newscaster for a long time.
Speaker 3: She has created a whole sorority. How about we call
Speaker 3: it that of women who I know are dedicated to
Speaker 3: addressing menopause and talking about it out loud and again
Speaker 3: like taking a stigma of it, you know, and away.
Speaker 3: And so that's exciting.
Speaker 5: Think you've privately done that with our patients, and it's
Speaker 5: just for a few people.
Speaker 4: We just like testing ideas and stuff.
Speaker 5: But we are very very focused on We're very very
Speaker 5: focused on fertility right now because it's just it's sure lane,
Speaker 5: it's really important to manage right now. That's just a
Speaker 5: big enough business. It's in terms of like so many
Speaker 5: people without access, Like once I've conquered that, and I
Speaker 5: feel like I've successfully disrupted the industry. If people walk
Speaker 5: into a fertility clinic and on our immediately oversold IVF
Speaker 5: and people start trying things at home before they walk
Speaker 5: into a fertility doctor's office or before they start IVF.
Speaker 5: Then I feel like we've done a bit of our job.
Speaker 5: And then for all the amazing people who needed they
Speaker 5: see people like Arnold, who isn't one of these big clinics.
Speaker 4: He's just solo doctor doing great work.
Speaker 5: And so it's like how medicine was supposed to be,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Once those things have all returned,
Speaker 5: then maybe I can change my right but.
Speaker 2: That's my focus.
Speaker 1: Well, you're super inspiring. I'm so glad we got a
Speaker 1: chance to meet you. I've loved talking to you.
Speaker 4: Same. Thank you, ladies.
Speaker 2: So where can people find you?
Speaker 5: My Instagram's luxurious Roxy. My husband's is doctor Arnold m Z.
Speaker 2: It's also a pleasure last name.
Speaker 4: His last name is Mahesen. Oh I how to pronounce it,
Speaker 4: So we just say doctor makes me love it.
Speaker 3: But we are really, really really hoping that we are
Speaker 3: going to see you on our TVs and not just
Speaker 3: our Instagram feeds.
Speaker 4: So YouTube back on.
Speaker 3: You appreciate that, We appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe must.
Speaker 5: Start in summer because nobody is filming in New Jersey
Speaker 5: in the winter.
Speaker 2: Oh, we used to.
Speaker 1: We used to start in March every year, and they
Speaker 1: used to before I got on it seven years ago.
Speaker 2: They used to film over the holidays, and.
Speaker 3: I love getting Christmas.
Speaker 4: How do you bring the outfits in the snow? It's
Speaker 4: so much harder.
Speaker 2: There's not a ton of snow here. It's just bitter cold.
Speaker 5: Okay, because like I'm like in Stiletto's in a snowstorm.
Speaker 4: I'm like, this isn't a look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's well, the humidity is no joke either.
Speaker 2: In the summer.
Speaker 1: So you know, I've had many of the horrific I
Speaker 1: don't even want to call it a bad hair day.
Speaker 2: I'll call it a horrific hair day on the show.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: Well, if I start seeing really good GLAMs showing up
Speaker 5: on your Instagram's ladies come summer, and you know, your
Speaker 5: mouth to God's.
Speaker 3: Ear, it's like, thank you so much, thank you, Roxy,
Speaker 3: what a pleasure.
Speaker 4: With all of you, and sending you lots of love
Speaker 4: and good energy.
Speaker 5: To you to you as well, Okay. By my sorority sisters,
Speaker 5: My sister