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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Caitlin.

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Speaker 4: It's a week nine of quarantine. Luckily, people keep lining

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Speaker 4: up to talk with us. And this week we have

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Speaker 4: two guests.

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Speaker 2: We have two guests, and they happen to be very

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Speaker 2: good looking and they look the same. They are the

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Speaker 2: Brian brothers, Mike and Bob, who are quarantining basically three

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Speaker 2: houses from each other in California, which Mike's really happy

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Speaker 2: about because Bob usually is in Florida. But you know

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Speaker 2: these guys, I've known them obviously since they came out

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Speaker 2: into the Pro tool. I've played well team tennis with them.

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Speaker 2: Both I played mixed doubles with Bob Bryan at the

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Speaker 2: US Open and we lost to Mike Brian. So they're

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Speaker 2: just great guys. They're great for tennis. They've been great

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Speaker 2: for the game of doubles, which I know you're happy about.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, some of the stories that they tell me.

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Speaker 2: I could have talked to them for hours and hours,

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Speaker 2: and they could have talked for hours too. It was

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Speaker 4: Well, they've had insanely long careers. I remember being at

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Speaker 4: junior copper Ball and Fiestaval and seeing them play. They

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Speaker 4: were I think only a year older than me, So

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Speaker 4: they've had a twenty plus year career and they've won

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Speaker 4: so many Grand SAMs it's insane. One thing I was

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Speaker 4: sort of curious to know is that they're still quite

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Speaker 4: physical with each other, so to speak.

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Speaker 2: Elaborate on that a little bit. Yeah, I mean, there

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Speaker 2: was some really fun surprising things that they told me

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Speaker 2: in this podcast. One of them about their birth order,

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Speaker 2: which is even funnier. But also they're still quite physical

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Speaker 2: with each other. They don't like just tell each other off,

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Speaker 2: like you know, most doubles partners sometimes have a bit

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Speaker 2: of a thing. They are physical, like they will punch

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Speaker 2: each other, including a great story at Wimbledon where they're

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Speaker 2: poor old coach for a long long time David McPherson

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Speaker 2: or as we call him MACA had to get into

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Speaker 2: the I'm sure had to get in between them so

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Speaker 2: many times, and one time in particular, in a transportation

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Speaker 2: car at Wimbledon. It's an awesome story. Oh there's an

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Speaker 2: even better one at this strain open, but you just

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Speaker 2: have to listen to hear it.

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Speaker 4: Well, these guys are delightful. They're both parents and as

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Speaker 4: you said, they're not usually in the same space, but

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Speaker 4: because of the quarantine, their families are three houses away.

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Speaker 4: What a good and delightful chat this was. I feel

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Speaker 4: like you guys could have had a part two and three,

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Speaker 4: and because of the length, we're over in hour.

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Speaker 2: So please buckle up.

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Speaker 4: And enjoy both of these brothers their stories, and we'll

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Speaker 4: have to do part two and maybe three if you

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Speaker 4: have time, and we know you do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're here for you, people, We're here for you,

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Speaker 2: and this is a long one, but it's a great

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Speaker 2: one because we have two, so enjoy it. I have

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Speaker 2: to start by saying thank you to my amazing friends,

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Speaker 2: the greatest doubles team of all time have joined me

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Speaker 2: this week on the Racket Magazine podcast. Bob and Mike

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Speaker 2: Brian and I am looking at them on zoom right now,

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Speaker 2: and I know that Bob has the hat on and

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Speaker 2: Mike doesn't have a hat on.

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Speaker 3: Because I don't like my hair game right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, thankfully it's a pod, Bob, so you don't have

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Speaker 2: to worry about anybody seeing your hair. Okay, but guys,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining me. First of all, it's

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Speaker 5: it's been awesome. Been taking the baby to Bob's house,

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Speaker 2: I was really happy because you kind of kept on

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Speaker 2: I saw your event the other day on Insta Live

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we started the Brian Burroughs Foundation a little over

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Speaker 5: You know, Aggacy set a good example for us doing

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Speaker 3: Which is also in Vegas.

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Speaker 5: It's a bunch of kids that come from some tough

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Speaker 5: So on our birthday, we wanted to just take that

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Speaker 3: You know, I should have got to you, Stebsy. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: she said, keep the hat on. Okay, I saw your comment.

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Speaker 2: I was. I was watching. I did like Mike's hat,

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Speaker 2: and you were being trying to be big brother, although

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Speaker 3: And I toldally, just yeah, Bob's older. We just found

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Speaker 5: Before we got married, I and I here in December,

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Speaker 5: said first twin. So my parents mixed it up and

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Speaker 2: It's funny. I had met Roddick on the pod last

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Speaker 5: We just grew up running around in a swimming pool

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know how that's possible with

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Speaker 5: One year I got to the cours of Queen's but

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Speaker 3: He beat Rafter in the finals. So we are both

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Speaker 5: It was the year that all the Spanish guys boycotted

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Speaker 5: He was a lucky loser. So he's playing for nothing.

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Speaker 5: He's holding his shoulder, holding his knee. I'm up two

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Speaker 5: He just started lighting me up and I lost in five.

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Speaker 3: We hung out with Keishawn Johnson and the band played

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Speaker 3: And then you just jump at beat Stanford in the

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Speaker 5: And Dick Gould called us, He's like, if you guys

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Speaker 3: To actually play a full match.

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Speaker 5: So they had always played the five and then the

442
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,120
Speaker 5: net first guy off would would finish in the next

443
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 5: match would come on.

444
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,880
Speaker 3: I remember dig Goole drove us around.

445
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 5: He drove us up to like the hills of Stanford

446
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,880
Speaker 5: and likes I just take a breath of that fresh air.

447
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the red smell like that down down in LA.

448
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,120
Speaker 2: That's a good decision. Well, it was a good decision obviously.

449
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,400
Speaker 2: You guys were amazing at Stanford, particularly Bob. You've got

450
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,199
Speaker 2: the triple crown. I think singles doubles team title. That

451
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 2: was amazing When you left Stanford, was it? It was?

452
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,879
Speaker 2: How overwhelming was it to turn pro? And you know

453
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 2: you were both still playing singles obviously, But what was

454
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Speaker 2: the moment because I remember the moment when I decided,

455
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,880
Speaker 2: okay enough with the singles, Like I was pretty old.

456
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 2: It was like twenty nine when I decided to quit.

457
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was.

458
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 2: It for you? That was like all right? Other than rankings?

459
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,439
Speaker 2: Was there a moment where you're like, all right, I

460
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 2: think we should put all of our efforts into doing

461
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Speaker 2: the doubles.

462
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, when we went to Stanford, we

463
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 5: needed Stanford. I mean we always dreamt of going to college.

464
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 5: We were one hundred and twenty five pounds when we

465
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,880
Speaker 5: entered Stanford, and we were hunting that.

466
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Speaker 2: Much bigger than that.

467
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 5: Now we were one hundred and sixty five pounds. When

468
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 5: we turned pro in ninety eight. That was after our

469
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,439
Speaker 5: sophomore year when we won the NCAA team title and

470
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 5: then we won the doubles and the singles. We still

471
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 5: never thought about turning pro. We were having the time

472
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Speaker 5: of our life. We're both that girlfriends.

473
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Speaker 3: It was just awesome.

474
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 5: You know, it was just a social awakening. You know,

475
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 5: we had always been kind of this in this bubble.

476
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 5: We were loving it. We're in part of the attorney,

477
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 5: like Mike said, and you know, dig Gould actually called

478
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 5: us into his office. We went back to take finals

479
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 5: and we're on campus and we get a call from

480
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 5: Gold to come in and in the offices, Goold and

481
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 5: my parents, and Gould's like, guys, it's it's time to go.

482
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 5: You know, wow, done at all. We're like really, like,

483
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 5: you know, you're a coach. You're trying to win next

484
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 5: year too. But he's telling us to go. So we're like,

485
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 5: all right, let's go. And they're like, yeah, there's some

486
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 5: money there, you know, for some you know, guaranteed contracts,

487
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,719
Speaker 5: and you know, suddenly we're out there in Waco, Texas,

488
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 5: you know, playing in the Futures and Challengers and it

489
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 5: was it wasn't.

490
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 2: Did you ever think for a period of time that

491
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 2: it was a mistake. Was there ever a time?

492
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 5: I mean, once we you know, wrapped our mind around it,

493
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 5: we just went, you know, and it was they's just

494
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,959
Speaker 5: our goals shifted, you know, we shifted to you know,

495
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 5: trying to win that turnam out in Texas Louisiana, and

496
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 5: we actually had success right out of the gates. You know,

497
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 5: I got won my first four futures and singles. We

498
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 5: started dominating doubles. We had like this forty five match

499
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 5: win street coming out of college in doubles, and we

500
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 5: continued it. We took it to about seventy matches. I

501
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 5: think we won four futures, two challengers, and it took

502
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 5: us all the way to the semlis of Washington, d C.

503
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 5: Before we lost our first match. So we did get

504
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 5: a little little boost. I had some wild cards, and

505
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 5: we had wild cards in doubles, we got to play

506
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 5: the open. You know, things were things were going well,

507
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 5: but you know, doubles and singles is it was tough

508
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 5: to split the schedule up. You know, we're we're in

509
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 5: the big time in doubles, you know, but we're in

510
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 5: Louisiana playing singles. Get yeah, you did it, you saw,

511
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 5: you saw, but it was tough to do both. So

512
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 5: after a frustrating a couple of years, we decided, hey,

513
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 5: we want to play David, we want to play the Olympics.

514
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 3: We want to do this together.

515
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 5: We have more actually more fun playing doubles. We were

516
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 5: better at it and we enjoy it more.

517
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 3: And so we.

518
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Speaker 5: Decided in it in the December of two thousand to

519
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 5: put all of our eggs in that basket.

520
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Speaker 3: And I think we were only twenty two years old

521
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 3: at time. Yeah, yeah, you were playing a couple of decision. Yeah.

522
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 5: I was like I was up, you know, one hundred

523
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 5: and sixteen in the world and in singles and you know,

524
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 5: knocking on the door to be in the in the

525
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 5: main draw of slams. But we actually just decided to,

526
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Speaker 5: you know, pull the pull the ripcord.

527
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: And it's just like it was my decision.

528
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it was actually no, Mike was the one

529
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 5: that pushed it. He's like with this bullshit called I

530
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 5: was actually struggling with like hip injuries and stuff.

531
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 3: So I was playing singles, but I wasn't recovering well.

532
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 3: My body was.

533
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 5: Feeling a little bit crappy, and you know, I was like,

534
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 5: do you want to go to any wells or you

535
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 5: want to go like China and play a future you know, Like,

536
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 5: so there's it's like two different tours. We wanted to

537
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 5: be in the show and we're just super excited to

538
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 5: move up the rankings and doubles, and we just loved

539
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 5: playing together. We loved winning together, lose it whatever, we

540
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 5: just loved doing it together. So I kind of said, Bob,

541
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 5: and I know you have singles dreams. You're you're knocking

542
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Speaker 5: on the door top hundred.

543
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Speaker 3: I mean he was knocking on the door.

544
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 5: He's gonna you're one match away from like the main

545
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 5: draw Aussie Open. I think the difference was when Mike

546
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 5: actually stopped traveling with me. In the fall of two thousand,

547
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 5: I went over to Knoxville to play a challenger. I

548
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 5: needed to make a semi to get straight in the

549
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 5: Ossie Open. I ended up losing first round. And I

550
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 5: spend Thanksgiving in a Motel six and I call a

551
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 5: taxi and I go have Thanksgiving with the taxi driver

552
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Speaker 5: in a waffle house and I'm sitting there talking to

553
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Speaker 5: the to the Mike's enjoying it.

554
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: He was in Santa Maria at my grandparents' house.

555
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Speaker 5: You know, they're playing football and just eating turkey, and

556
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 5: I'm I'm in waffle house eating with the taxi driver

557
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 5: and I And when I came home, I.

558
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Speaker 2: Was who invited for the dinner?

559
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Speaker 5: Well, I invited him. I just said, dude, like I'm

560
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 5: going crazy. You know, there was no like I was

561
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 5: playing Snake on my Nokia, you know, on my Nokia phone.

562
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 5: There wasn't there wasn't much else to do, you know,

563
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 5: reading the newspaper and anyway, I came home and Mike's like, hey, man,

564
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 5: you want to play Bubbles. I'm like, yeah, let's go

565
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 5: screw this. It wasn't fun, so yeah, so we want

566
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Speaker 5: to do it. Literally, I didn't have Mike out there

567
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 5: for this many years. We'd probably retired at thirty two

568
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 5: years old. And that's always the age we thought we.

569
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: Were gonna retire at. I don't know how long you

570
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 3: thought you're gonna play stubbsy. I mean you played until

571
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 3: you're you played until you're forty, yeah, yep.

572
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 5: I mean I always thought, okay, thirty two's that's a

573
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 5: good age, like thirty two yeah, and then bang, thirty two,

574
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Speaker 5: we're at the London Olympics and there's no end in sight,

575
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 5: and you probably thought same thing.

576
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one year stacks on the other and now

577
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Speaker 3: here we are forty two, and you know, it.

578
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Speaker 2: Was there ever a time what you considered not playing together?

587
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: Was there ever a time where we're like, oh, why

588
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 2: don't we at least have a little bit of time

589
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: away from each other? Was that never an option for you?

590
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: I don't think it ever entered our minds.

591
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 5: I mean, we've just been a package deal since day one,

592
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 5: played every match together in the juniors.

593
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: Just it didn't even cross our mind.

594
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 5: I know, when teams lose and they have a bad patch,

595
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 5: they're always thinking, oh, the grass is greener. You know,

596
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 5: maybe I can find a better returner or like a

597
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 5: quicker guy.

598
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: Bob, that was a flat right there?

599
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 5: Fine, fine, this is well known, this is my guy,

600
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 5: and you know we only did it a few times

601
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 5: and Bob had a baby, so I went to play

602
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 5: with Marty Fish Davis Cup and that's just weird.

603
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 3: You know that.

604
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 2: You know it's yeah.

605
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 5: But I mean, look, you had success with a lot

606
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 5: of different partners, but I'm sure there were times where

607
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 5: you guys had three bad losses in a row and

608
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 5: you're probably like, wait, you know, maybe I should get

609
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 5: go back to this partner, or maybe I should move on.

610
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: I don't know.

611
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 5: How are super loyal and they don't. They don't even

612
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 5: think about that. But as twins were like that, it

613
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 5: never enters your mind. Yea, yeah, it's it's better knowing

614
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 5: that there's no option. You're just going to stick it out.

615
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 5: So you're always building week in and week out. Your

616
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 5: experience is getting better, our chemistry is always growing. And

617
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 5: you know, you travel with your best friend. I mean

618
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 5: this guy, you know, I know him better than he

619
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 5: knows himself, and so I felt like over time, we're

620
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 5: just building building building, and it took us.

621
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Speaker 3: Until twenty five, you know, to win our first Slam.

622
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Speaker 2: It took me through. That took me through. That was

623
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Speaker 2: my next question about Yeah.

624
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean we just every year so we

625
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 5: won our first title. It took us two years to

626
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 5: win our first title. We had a couple of good wins,

627
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 5: we beat the Woodies, but you know, everyone's like, when

628
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 5: are they gonna win their first title, you know, and

629
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 5: we finally did it in Memphis, and we want a

630
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 5: few more.

631
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Speaker 3: And then the next year we won our first Master Series.

632
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 5: And then the next year was the French Open and

633
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 5: we had lost a couple of heartbreakers at Indian Wells.

634
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 5: We're up six two five two bops serving in the

635
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 5: finals of Indian Wells, our home tournament.

636
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Speaker 3: That was our dream.

637
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 5: Anyway, I think it was one, it was one, and

638
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 5: then up four on the third and it just slipped.

639
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 5: You know, we're playing Cathelakov in Ferrara. They just made

640
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 5: us play. We got tight, you know, we didn't know,

641
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 5: but it was crazy. It was hot and we're holding

642
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 5: easy and it was quick doubles and then and then

643
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 5: suddenly the sun got behind those mountains and our serfs

644
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 5: just weren't popping. Nothing was happening, and those guys, you know,

645
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 5: made every return at our feet and it got it

646
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 5: got ugly, and that was one of those matches where

647
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 5: we had to read it in the newspaper to believe

648
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 5: it really happened. And then the same thing happened in

649
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 5: Miami against Leander and was a rickle, the same same

650
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 5: thing six. So we just learned a huge lesson that, like,

651
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 5: you never can take your foot off the gas, and

652
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 5: that's why.

653
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: You see us always bouncing around and moving our feet.

654
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 5: Because then we went into the French Open that year

655
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,479
Speaker 5: and we just said we're playing every point, it doesn't

656
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 5: matter for a four to one, and so we just

657
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 5: got super hot. Our energy was like crazy high and

658
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 5: we just drilled teams. We didn't lose a set. Our

659
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 5: only set that went over six to four was in

660
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 5: the finals, and we just put it together. We stayed

661
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 5: at the Pierravi cons it was the junior hotel because

662
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 5: we got there.

663
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: Have you ever stayed there?

664
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: Does he?

665
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: No?

666
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: I never stayed there. Thank god.

667
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 5: We got there ten days early because we lost in

668
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 5: Hamburg and we just wanted to get there and prepare.

669
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 3: We just hired Phil Farmer. Who was kind of like

670
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: a spark.

671
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 5: He had good energy, missing these little hulls before the

672
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 5: match and you'd pray.

673
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 3: He was like really and he had these game plans.

674
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 5: He was like the first guy to like write down

675
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 5: these note cards, and so we just went into every

676
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 5: match that super fired up. We were like superstitious. We

677
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 5: had the Chinese restaurant twenty one days in a row

678
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 5: and we're.

679
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: The only people in there. It was bad Chinese and

680
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: we'd walk in, We'd hand him the Dave.

681
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 5: Matthew CD crash and they would just start playing it

682
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 5: on in the speakers because we were the only people

683
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 5: in there.

684
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: First title, were you, like, Dave Matthews, do you one?

685
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: That's our that's sell our favorite song.

686
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 5: But we had this fire on Earth because Patrick McEnroe said,

687
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 5: if you want to play Davis Cup, you got to

688
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 5: be number one in the world. And when it's slammed,

689
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 5: because he didn't want to take the chance on putting

690
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 5: us on the team, and then one of the guys

691
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 5: getting hurt, so it's like, you guys got to be

692
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 5: an automatic.

693
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 3: And it felt like we should have been the team

694
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: for two years, but it was just breaking our heart

695
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: every time we had announce a team and we were

696
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: on it, and so that was a huge dream and

697
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: so we're like, we got to win this French we

698
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: got to get to number one. And then we just

699
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: we visualized it. We just wanted it so bad.

700
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 5: And that you know, it finally happened and then that

701
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 5: took a lot of pressure and then we started, you know,

702
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 5: playing great.

703
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: Do you remember the night before the final do you

704
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: remember having Oh.

705
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got We didn't sleep for I would say

706
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 5: four or five days because you know, pier of account, Well,

707
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 5: you don't know because you never stayed there. The rock

708
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 5: hard that the floor is actually softer than the bed.

709
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 5: So we moved our we moved our blankets down to

710
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 5: the floor.

711
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: You know that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

712
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 5: And you know it's one of those things where the

713
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 5: hallways are dark until you start walking and the lights

714
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 5: click shining. They just kind of keep flickering down the hallway,

715
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 5: and you know, the breakfast is horrible. So we had

716
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 5: our aunt was coming over making us these these Mexican

717
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 5: eggs in the morning, and then we were just going

718
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 5: on adrenaline. Like Mike said, we get up one break

719
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 5: we'd be like fire in our eyes, you know, going

720
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 5: two breaks. We got to get two breaks and then

721
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 5: three breaks. This thing isn't over, you know, but yeah.

722
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: It was just a it was just a we won

723
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: the last sixteen points of the match.

724
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we didn't We were super nervous, but we

725
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 5: didn't have a chance to get nervous because we won

726
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 5: so many points in a row to finish.

727
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: It was like a flurry.

728
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 5: But we were We're actually nervous on the flight to

729
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 5: Queen's because we're like, we're Grand Slam champs. We can't

730
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 5: crash now. So there was like turbulence. And now that's

731
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 5: the most scared I've ever been. I wanted you want

732
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 5: to enjoy it a little more.

733
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: Like you're just thinking about the Lana's marriset. So you

734
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: know he isn't that ironic.

735
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had this. It was a big check. You know,

736
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 3: we'd never seen money like that. You know, I probably

737
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: got but bigger.

738
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 5: Now is like probably pretty funny, Yeah, said we said

739
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 5: if we win the French we did. We made a

740
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,719
Speaker 5: promise with Phil we're gonna go right when we get

741
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 5: to line and we're gonna go buy Cardier watches at Harrod's,

742
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 5: at Herod's.

743
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 3: So we get to London and we go into Herod's

744
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: and we're.

745
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 5: Like, damn, four days in a row. These things are expensive.

746
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 5: Like we're like, it wasn't that much money, Like we

747
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 5: didn't pull the trigger. No, no, we kept looking at him.

748
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: He didn't buy them.

749
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 3: We were gonna get him engraved.

750
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 5: And you know, we had all these plans like the

751
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 5: next slam, let's do the next slam.

752
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: It's like we didn't have the money in our hand.

753
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 3: It was just a digit.

754
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: Well, I hope that eventually you bought one, because you

755
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: ended up winning sixteen together.

756
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 5: I actually did a couple of years ago because I

757
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 5: want to get my wife a watch, and she's like,

758
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 5: you can't get it for me unless you get yourself something.

759
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: You got the diamond and crusted one.

760
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so guys, you know, you end up winning sixteen

761
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: Grand Slams, which is unbelievable together. Obviously Mikey went out

762
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: and strayed and cheated on you and one two more. Yeah,

763
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: but to that in a bit. But one of the

764
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I played with Lisa, and Lisa was

765
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: like a sister to me. Obviously we were we were

766
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: very close together, so it was really hard. There were

767
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: times where we wanted to kill each other, right, it

768
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: was shit done. Like I can tell you one story

769
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: where we won in San Diego and we told each

770
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: other that fuck off at fall. I've won in the

771
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: third and we didn't say a word to each other

772
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 2: and we won the mat seven six and the third, Yeah,

773
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: say a word, but we knew each other, so well, yeah,

774
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: what what's some of the like fun stories that.

775
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 5: Well, it's a it's a very delicate balance with us,

776
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 5: especially just because we've seen so much of each other

777
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 5: and we don't treat each.

778
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: Other like normal partners. We were brothers.

779
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 5: So if he tells me like, oh man, you got

780
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 5: to start hitting your second serve, like that just burns you.

781
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 3: Know, I'm like, I don't want to hear that from him, man.

782
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 5: Like, So it's better when there's no real leader and

783
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 5: there's not a lot of talking.

784
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: So a lot of times we say, okay, let's just

785
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 3: we we try not to have a leader because you

786
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 3: don't want to.

787
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 5: If there is a leader, it really affects the team

788
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 5: in a negative way. If I'm if I'm trying to

789
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 5: coach Mike, then he's now he's feeling insecure, and and

790
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 5: that's gonna that's gonna blow up in our face.

791
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: Same same thing with the opposite. It's it's better if

792
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: we're both equals and we're.

793
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 5: Both being quiet, yeah, and we're both only saying positive

794
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 5: things about even strategy, and even too much positivity is

795
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 5: bad because we're still talking too much. I'm like, great, yeah,

796
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 5: and then I don't say and he's like, hey man,

797
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 5: didn't you like that?

798
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 3: Return?

799
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 5: Like, so we just we do better when we're quiet.

800
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 5: That's why we use like hand signals and we play quick.

801
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 5: I mean, and when we in two thousand and six,

802
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 5: we got in a brawl. We actually won the first round,

803
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 5: but we are still like pissed that we won ten

804
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 5: eight in the fifth, we're dead. We're super hungry. We

805
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 5: got in the car and then Macer starts going over.

806
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 5: He starts analyzing the match, and then we start pointing

807
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 5: fingers and Macker always has to come in between us

808
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 5: and be like a mediator.

809
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 3: But he was in the front seat. We're both in

810
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: the back seat, and so we started going after each other.

811
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 5: Bob took the first swing, gets me on the head,

812
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 5: but then usually you know, we like he breaks us up,

813
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 5: but no one could break us up or in the back.

814
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: I started swinging. Our car was rocking side to side.

815
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 3: The driver's like looking back, what's going on back there?

816
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 5: Macer's crying, hey, stop that, And it was a full

817
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 5: fledged just war.

818
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 3: We're bloodied up, and then we apologize to the driver.

819
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 5: We start walking up the stairs to our flat and

820
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 5: Bob gets me with one last hit to the back

821
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 5: of the head and I just kind of take it.

822
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 5: I take take ten seconds, and then I mule kick

823
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 5: him off the stairs as a cheap shot, and he

824
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 5: flies back off the stairs, and I run up to

825
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 5: the bathroom because I know he's coming at me. He's

826
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 5: gonna kill me, like he's got a racket, he's gonna

827
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 5: And then he's trying to beat down the door like

828
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 5: like here comes Johnny, like the shine.

829
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 3: If I had a gun, I would have shot you.

830
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 3: But then the funny thing is like, well, he broke.

831
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 5: My guitar, Like I hear my guitar blowing up. He's

832
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 5: just it's splintered everywhere in the living room. And then

833
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 5: the funny thing is we're like having dinner, you know

834
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 5: a little bit later, and then we.

835
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: Laugh about it.

836
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 5: And so it's kind of a way to really I

837
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 5: know it's not good, but it's kind of a way

838
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 5: to release steam.

839
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: And that's what we always do daily. You know, we

840
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: get in these little, tiny ones, but that was a

841
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: huge one.

842
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 5: Then we would go on to win Wimbledon, you know.

843
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 5: Then Yeah, I mean that's the thing. We're so intense.

844
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 5: We hate to lose. We we don't take practices off,

845
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 5: like we can't separate prectice from matches. Losing a practice

846
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 5: set to us is like a warning sign that we're

847
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 5: going to lose in the tournament.

848
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 3: So we we're just as intents in practice. We don't

849
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: drink water. We're nuts. We're nuts. We don't like them

850
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: as shots. You know.

851
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: Well, I think guys that that's like an important thing

852
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: to teach people is because I think I've always said

853
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: I said this to people like coach or just like

854
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: random people or you know, people that ask me for advice.

855
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: I said, you play.

856
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 3: How you practice.

857
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, true, if you practice a little bit lethargically, or

858
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: you know, kind of like Roger does, right, Roger's like

859
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: super relaxed, but that's how he plays, right, Ratha super intense,

860
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: Like there's not a shot that isn't one hundred percent

861
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: Every time. So that's how you guys play. You're like

862
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 2: super intense, you're in people's spaces, you're like not giving

863
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: anyone a reprieve. So you can't possibly practice relaxed and

864
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: then expect to be like that.

865
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's our That's why I think, like Mike said,

866
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 5: we do need those releases of steam. And you know

867
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 5: we've we've gotten physical many times after matches, during matches,

868
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 5: but it does, it does kind of release.

869
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: Remember one in one match, one time, Lisa Raymond took

870
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 2: a second serve semi finals of the French Open ball

871
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: was a fault. Have I told you this story? In

872
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: a drunken stupor and twelve team tennis woman of mine, No,

873
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 2: she takes the second serve at first the serve as

874
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: a fault. She rails it at me, hits me in

875
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: the ass, looks at me. I turned around. I'm like,

876
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 2: what the she looks at me, No big deal, meant

877
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 2: to tag me. I mean, there's so many stories like that.

878
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 2: But what about on the court.

879
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Bob's got me at the few serves in

880
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: the back of the head. Well, I actually knocked him

881
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: out in the match.

882
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 5: No one knows about this because It was on a

883
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 5: side court and luckily there's no cameras. But it was

884
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 5: the first round of the Aussie Open, like two or

885
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 5: three years ago.

886
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: I think Federer was losing on Rod Labor, so all

887
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 3: the press, all the eyes were on that match. And

888
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: we're on a backcourt and.

889
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 5: We're playing a Japanese guy that's eighteen years old. You know,

890
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 5: we have preconceived notions. We want to beat this team

891
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 5: like one and one, you know. So we're playing I

892
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 5: think it was Fuksovich.

893
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 3: And we didn't know at the time.

894
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 5: He's like Yama Yamasaki or you know, initiate, Okay, initiate.

895
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: It's good too, but we didn't know them. But they

896
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: were staying on the baseline, you know.

897
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 5: It was you know, we're like looking at it like, okay,

898
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 5: we're in the second round here and we're down and

899
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 5: breaking the first and we start sniping. That's what we

900
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 5: call when we start making these comments. We called sniping.

901
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 5: And I know all Bob's insecurities. He knows mine, so

902
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 5: he hits me where you know it hurts. You know,

903
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 5: he tells, me, oh, man, you're sure there's nothing on

904
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 5: your survey day like nic Athletic ability, you know, and

905
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 5: then we get in this point where we have o

906
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 5: reds and we don't put them away and we lose

907
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 5: the point.

908
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: They hit a winner and I give Bob like a

909
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 3: little bit of a tap to the back of the head,

910
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 3: you know, just like hey man, shut up. He slapped

911
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: me and said like, you know, like the McFly, hey McFly.

912
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 5: But I had told him in the months leading up

913
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 5: to that if he ever did it again, I would

914
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 5: knock him out. I mean, he did to me like

915
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 5: a lot of times during the indoor season. I told him,

916
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 5: I'll knock you out next.

917
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: Time you do it. And we actually got in a

918
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: brawl in the Vienna airport over the same thing. And

919
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: then what do you know.

920
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 5: He slaps me on the back of the head during

921
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 5: the match, and just instinctively, I turned around with a

922
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 5: fist and he.

923
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: Goes like a windmill like all the way around. So

924
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: he got lucky to hit me where he hit me.

925
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 5: But he did a full like no looks with the

926
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 5: arm and he connected right to the occipital ridge and

927
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 5: I woke up on the ground. I woke up on

928
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 5: the ground and I didn't know where I was, and

929
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 5: I called the trainers out there giving me smelling salt.

930
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 5: I actually I thought I broke my wrist?

931
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: Is risk? How did this happen?

932
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 5: He goes hit me, No, no, no. The MIC's laying

933
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 5: on the ground and he opens his eyes. He's like, congrats,

934
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 5: you just made FN sports Center sports Center. Because it

935
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 5: was still a big crowd, I'm like, someone had to

936
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 5: get that. And actually, but he dropped so quick that

937
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 5: the crowd thought he was faking it. Everyone's laughing. They're

938
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 5: all laughing, and no one knew what to say. But

939
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 5: our coaches and they knew our you know, our fight

940
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 5: in Vienna. They're like, oh my god, he's out. So

941
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 5: then Mike started getting smelling salts on the on the sidelines. Anyway,

942
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 5: it was like one of those deals. We're both so scared.

943
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 5: I was actually scared about. You know, the video going viral.

944
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 5: There's one guy that had it.

945
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: It was a player, and I had him delete it

946
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 3: because he had it slow mode.

947
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: He had this like who wasn't it was?

948
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: He had he had he had music.

949
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 5: He had Mike dropping like a little sac of tales

950
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 5: and getting back up and then dropping rop and he

951
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 5: had it on like this rap video.

952
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 3: It was. It was an amazing. When we come back,

953
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: we win the match.

954
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: I can't believe I didn't save that for you guys.

955
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 3: I know we were just so start. So we go

956
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 3: into press and we're like, oh, here we go. No

957
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: one asked the question like what happened? There was like

958
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 3: how was the match?

959
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 5: You know?

960
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks guys. Yeah, no, no one saw it, you know, sixteen.

961
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, the image of the brothers the bullet intact.

962
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 5: But yeah, I had I had a full on concussion.

963
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 5: I couldn't read for like a month. You couldn't taste,

964
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 5: I couldn't I like bright light with me.

965
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: I had all the concussion protocols. You know. It was crazy.

966
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: I love I love the Bob's like he couldn't eat.

967
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 5: The more of the story is, if I tell you

968
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 5: that I'm gonna knock you out, I'm gonna get you.

969
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get him.

970
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: You know, he's the younger brother. Yeah, he's the bigger

971
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 2: one because he ate more and he stayed in the

972
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: womb a little longer and took it.

973
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, Mike, actually you spent an extra week in the

974
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 5: hospital because you just a little I was jaundiced.

975
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

976
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Mike, is that what meditation does for you.

977
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: It helps you deal with your brother. Have you gotten

978
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 2: him to meditate? Do you meditate Bob with your Yeah?

979
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: I like, I like, Bob's never meditated Dan's life. That's

980
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: not true, really know. I mean people call different things,

981
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: you know. I just sit there, close my eyes.

982
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 5: And match bubble be on his phone, like playing games.

983
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 5: That's how he gets his mind off of like, you know,

984
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 5: the match coming. But I always find like a quiet room,

985
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 5: like a quiet like place in the locker room, close

986
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 5: my eyes, put a towel over my face, and like

987
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 5: do some breathing, and you know, I like it. You know,

988
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 5: we both visualize. I mean, I'm sure you do the

989
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 5: same thing, you know, night before you try to see

990
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 5: the match, see the opponents, see what you're gonna do,

991
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 5: just kind of, I don't know, absorb the environment a

992
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 5: little bit with your eyes closed before you actually get

993
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 5: out there, so there's no surprises.

994
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 3: Is there one?

995
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: Is there one moment on like court where you actually

996
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: with each other where you said something to each other

997
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh man, I really got to pull

998
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: him out of this, you know.

999
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, there's a lot of times where you know

1000
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 5: someone's going down a rabbit hole. A lot of times

1001
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 5: it will be if I lose Serve, like first game

1002
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,479
Speaker 5: of the match, that's a tough one. Or if Mike,

1003
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 5: you know, has a few breakpoints in a row and

1004
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 5: doesn't get it. Those are times that you know, he

1005
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 5: probably feels like he's a you know, ten for ten

1006
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 5: And then you know, same thing when starting to match.

1007
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 5: You know, I don't like to get broken out of

1008
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 5: the gates. You know, I'm trying to set the tone.

1009
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 5: So that's when the other brother has to step in

1010
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 5: and and you know, just kind of take the take

1011
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 5: the pressure off it, to put a positive spin on it,

1012
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 5: like no big deal, we'll get him back here.

1013
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1014
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 5: You know a lot of times we'll just kind of

1015
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 5: hum a song, or you know, sometimes Mike, remember you're

1016
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 5: right doing a smiley face on your racket. He's actually

1017
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 5: writing a smiley face on his grip, just to try

1018
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 5: to stay positive.

1019
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: Like and often you just try to fake it.

1020
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 2: So do a lot of times I get it, fake

1021
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: it till you make it.

1022
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 6: My favorite saying on the Chemist, There's been many times

1023
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 6: where like one of us will be like extremely hurt,

1024
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 6: but we'll just fake it with positive energy and just

1025
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 6: be an actor's out there, And.

1026
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: What did you want you when you didn't have Bob

1027
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: out there? When you did play when Bob had his

1028
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: surgery to his hip, and how difficult was that for you?

1029
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 2: And and like what did you learn like personally with

1030
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 2: you on a I mean, you had an amazing run

1031
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 2: with Jack. I mean it was incredible that you've got

1032
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 2: a partner like Jack that's obviously a wimbled champion himself.

1033
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: I don't want to bring that one up, but you know,

1034
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: a good friend. What did you learn for you not

1035
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: having Bub on the court?

1036
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I definitely missed him and I didn't

1037
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 5: really want to play without him because I felt like

1038
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 5: we were in this thing together and if he's going down,

1039
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 5: we've done enough.

1040
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: You know.

1041
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 5: We were forty years old, and I said, man, if

1042
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 5: you can't play another day, let's we'll just go out together.

1043
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 5: But He's like, I'm coming back. You know, I think

1044
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 5: I can. I can beat this thing. You go out

1045
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 5: there and just stay sharp. I'll meet you at Wimbledon.

1046
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 5: I'll meet you in Atlanta. And so he I was

1047
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 5: just like, Okay, I guess I'll go play one with Jack.

1048
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 3: You know, kind of opposite to tract. Our game styles

1049
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 3: were totally different.

1050
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 5: We're just kind of have him fun, like he didn't

1051
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 5: really care, you know, so it brought this whole new perspective,

1052
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 5: like we're out there. But once he got on the court,

1053
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 5: like he's super competitive, but we didn't practice together on

1054
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 5: the on our days off, he didn't even show up

1055
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 5: at the courts. I just said, I don't really want

1056
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 5: to practice either. We just it was just still totally

1057
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 5: different from like super professional all the time with Bob.

1058
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 3: We do everything right to like totally.

1059
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 5: The opposite, and I don't know the stars aligned, you know,

1060
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 5: we're down match points and it just somehow worked out.

1061
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 5: Like it felt like I had to kind of be

1062
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 5: the leader because I felt like he was right in

1063
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 5: this roller coaster of emotion, like.

1064
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: His mind is going, you know, in and out and

1065
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 3: he's getting pissed.

1066
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 5: And I felt like, Okay, this is maybe my time

1067
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 5: to step up and be like a leader council make

1068
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 5: him better. And I brought the best out in him

1069
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 5: and it somehow worked out. You know, our our styles

1070
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 5: of play were just perfect together. But I was always

1071
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 5: waiting for Bob and.

1072
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: I was super supportive.

1073
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 5: I mean, unbelievable like he's always the first one to

1074
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 5: call after every match, and you know, I think he

1075
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 5: kind of felt like, Okay, one of the Brians is winning.

1076
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 5: Like he felt when twins are so tight like this,

1077
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 5: it actually feels like you're winning.

1078
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: So was it.

1079
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we had a tough couple of years

1080
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 5: leading up to that moment, and it was sixteen and

1081
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 5: seventeen were tough, Like we were in dark place.

1082
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 3: Mike had some personal stuff he was dealing with.

1083
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 5: It wasn't very fun out there. Practices were getting bad.

1084
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 5: We were saying stuff to each other that was really hurtful.

1085
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 5: Our relationship was deteriorating. We came together at the beginning

1086
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 5: of the eighteen and wrote down goals for the first

1087
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 5: time in a few years. I wrote down all these

1088
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 5: personal like happiness goal. I just want to be happy

1089
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 5: and have fun again. Mike actually wrote down performance goals.

1090
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we had slipped off. I mean, we hadn't

1091
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: wont to slam, we hadn't done much. Uh, you know,

1092
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 3: we wrote down like middle Road Gold.

1093
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 5: But then I wrote down I was like, screw it up,

1094
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 5: Let's get back to number one, Let's win some slams. Well,

1095
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 5: he he had just moved on from his long relationship,

1096
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 5: and he was actually, unbeknownst to me, he was freaking happy.

1097
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 5: He was like, Okay, I'm ready to go again, you know,

1098
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 5: like he'd been carrying some stuff, and I was.

1099
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: Just like, dang, this has been not fun, Like I

1100
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 3: just want to.

1101
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: So it's probably the first time in your lives that

1102
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 2: you weren't literally sympatico like Mike, you were getting divorced.

1103
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 5: Yes, I knew that I was in something bad and

1104
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 5: I wasn't happy. I was carrying that on the court,

1105
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 5: and our energy is so connected that it would seep

1106
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 5: into him.

1107
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 3: And then he would also.

1108
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 5: See that I wasn't happy and and my play was

1109
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 5: my health was getting bad because.

1110
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: I was depressed.

1111
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,479
Speaker 5: And then but he never once he never never said,

1112
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 5: he never once said a bad word about his ex wife.

1113
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 5: I you know, I just saw like someone that I

1114
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 5: didn't know, and he was very Yeah, he was very

1115
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 5: depressed and low, and you know, I just I just

1116
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 5: didn't know. I thought, Okay, we're done like this, this tour,

1117
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 5: things is over. You know, we've lost whatever we had,

1118
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 5: We lost it. But then Mike writes these goals down

1119
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 5: like number one in the world, We're gonna win do Slam.

1120
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,479
Speaker 3: We're gonna do it. I'm like, I was just looking.

1121
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 5: I was just kind of chuckling, like what this guy's

1122
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 5: I felt like, oh man, I felt like I'd let

1123
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 5: him down for two years just because I was subpar.

1124
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 5: I was playing like a hundred guy in the world,

1125
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 5: just had no energy, no enthusiasm for life. And then

1126
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 5: I had a fresh outlook and I'm like, damn, I

1127
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 5: think we can do some stuff. We just changed the

1128
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 5: babbyl out racket. We're like, yeah, we got some firepower.

1129
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 5: I was just like, you see what you got. And

1130
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 5: then we had a great start to the year. We

1131
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 5: were all the way, you know, we're number one, we

1132
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 5: were number one in the race, we'd won Miami Money,

1133
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 5: Carlo Finals, the Madrid and.

1134
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 3: Then yeah, Sniper came. My hip just exploded. We were

1135
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: actually one match away from getting back to number one

1136
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 3: individually co number one, and we'd done that in those

1137
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 3: three months, which was just a crazy pace. Yeah, it

1138
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 3: was like we were twenty five years old again.

1139
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 5: And then I go down and then Mike pulls out

1140
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 5: a room, comes back, hangs out with me, and he says, okay,

1141
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 5: actually tell me I go go to the French and

1142
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 5: stay sharp.

1143
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to be back for Wim. He goes

1144
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: and plays with query. They didn't really gel.

1145
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 5: He comes back, he's like it's frustrating and play with

1146
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 5: new partners like I'm just done until you come back.

1147
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 5: And then we thought about him like, okay, well check

1148
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 5: with sock. If he wants to go, then you should

1149
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 5: go over there. And he had, you know, I don't know,

1150
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 5: one hundred grand slams in a row. He played like

1151
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 5: the record. I'm like, just keep the record alive, just

1152
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 5: over there, and then they freaking win it, which was

1153
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 5: a little bit too much to handle for me at

1154
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 5: the time.

1155
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would.

1156
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 5: Imagine like wait, wait, wait, I wanted you to do well.

1157
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 5: And I think when he made the quarters he got

1158
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 5: back to number one, well, I couldn't process. I just

1159
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 5: remember I didn't watch one point of the finals and

1160
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 5: I was just in the in the gym doing push ups.

1161
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 5: You know, I did like a rep of like a

1162
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 5: thousand in a row. You know, my arms were just shredded.

1163
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 2: Had you had your surgery?

1164
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 5: Oh no, I was just like I'm just trying to

1165
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 5: figure out what's going on with my hip.

1166
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 3: I know, it hurts really bad.

1167
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 5: I doing like shock treatment and like stem cell therapy

1168
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 5: and like nothing's working.

1169
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 3: And then Mike's he'd coming back with the trophies. You know,

1170
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 3: I'm like checks and one.

1171
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 5: A little part of me is like, dude, that's a Brian.

1172
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 5: You know, that's an extension of what we were trying

1173
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 5: to accomplish.

1174
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 3: He did it.

1175
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 5: You know, no one knows who's who anyway, you know,

1176
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 5: but like feeling sorry for myself. That was That's supposed

1177
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 5: to be me, you know, not Jack, you know. But

1178
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 5: Jack was super humble about it. He's like, dude, I'm

1179
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 5: just here, you know, until you get back. Mike could

1180
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 5: have kicked me when I was down. He could have

1181
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 5: he could have just booted me. But I think it

1182
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 5: was good for Mike. It was like, it's like winning

1183
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 5: a mixed doubles. You know, it shows you that you're

1184
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 5: actually great part of the team that he is. You

1185
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 5: feel like I can really play, you know, and Mike

1186
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 5: winning that like then he I saw his confidence grow.

1187
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 3: You know, he was happy, he was playing well. Number

1188
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: one World.

1189
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 5: They go on, they win the Open, which was crazy,

1190
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 5: and they win the World to Her finals. It just

1191
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 5: kept going and going and then you know, then I

1192
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 5: finally just have the surgery and Mike's like, yeah, man,

1193
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 5: you know, I'll take you back. I'm like cool, you know.

1194
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:32,439
Speaker 5: And then mid mid December, I'd only been like four

1195
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 5: months since the surgery, and I was moving pretty slow.

1196
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1197
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 5: We had some practices down in Miami, tryouts, tryouts, and

1198
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 5: this guy was not moving well. And I'm like, damn, okay,

1199
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 5: the Aussie opens coming up in a few weeks.

1200
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 3: I'm a little worried, you know. I was a little worried, Like.

1201
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 2: Why Jack Sock in the book.

1202
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 3: On the flight down to Australia, you still couldn't really

1203
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 3: watch no no straight.

1204
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 5: I was just hoping that the recovery would take place

1205
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 5: three weeks after that flight and I would actually be,

1206
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 5: you know, okay, and that people wouldn't know how bad

1207
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 5: I was, you know. But everything started healing. We faked

1208
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 5: it to the quarters of the Aussie and then and

1209
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 5: then we got we got kind of going.

1210
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 3: But then we then.

1211
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 5: We won my we won Delray, we won Miami, and

1212
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 5: then our expectations grew and then we then whenever we

1213
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 5: were like tied in a set, We're like, dammn, what

1214
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 5: do we do?

1215
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 3: Like we wanted to be number one. We had these

1216
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: crazy goals, but I think that they're just kind of outland,

1217
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: they're too far, you know. So winning Miami was too early, No,

1218
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 3: I mean it's super emotional, you know, I was like crying.

1219
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 5: Family's there. I never thought I was going to play

1220
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 5: tennis again. And you know, but as being when doing

1221
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 5: all the winning we've done, we were just like, okay,

1222
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 5: let's go.

1223
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 3: For number one. You know.

1224
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 5: How many titles, Well, we won those two. We won

1225
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 5: those two in my backyard. Yeah, think we were we

1226
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 5: were number one or two in the race, and then

1227
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 5: we lost the We played to calan Rogier back to

1228
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 5: back in Madrid, first round, first round in Madrid and Rome.

1229
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 5: We split that series, and then we played him in

1230
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 5: the third round of the French ended up losing that.

1231
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 5: But we're also have nine to four on Cabal Farra

1232
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 5: in in the room, yeah, nine nine seven nights.

1233
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

1234
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 5: In the so we lost a couple of really tight

1235
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 5: ones that kind of kept us on edge, and then

1236
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 5: Wimbledon we just kind had to blowout fight on the court.

1237
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 5: You know, we made some really hurtful comments that went

1238
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 5: south quick. We played a hoot that was hurt. He's

1239
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 5: like in the locker room, he's like, hey guys, and

1240
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 5: you know, I'm probably not gonna play on this. Yeah,

1241
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 5: I mean he could. He was like had a cane

1242
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 5: and we got up a break and we're like, when's

1243
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 5: he gonna retire? He would have retired. Had Mike held

1244
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 5: Serve to win the first set, he would have retired.

1245
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 5: But he grew in a skinker. Yeah, it's amazing how

1246
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 5: much your level drops when you know all you have

1247
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 5: to do is.

1248
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 3: Just play okay and so's it was just a mental eyes.

1249
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: You had to go back to two thousand and three

1250
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: when you're like, we got one break, we got to

1251
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 2: get to.

1252
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: It's funny.

1253
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 5: We had the expectations and we added this pressure to

1254
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 5: ourselves at forty one years old.

1255
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: That was probably it was unrealistic.

1256
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 5: We should have basically just been happy to be there

1257
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 5: and and be fun.

1258
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1259
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 5: I think winning so much early in that year it

1260
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 5: was just like we kind of changed our focus and

1261
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 5: tried to Yeah.

1262
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good.

1263
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 2: Less I think when you get older, it is the

1264
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: one thing that I can tell you, You've got to find

1265
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 2: the fun. You've got to find out yes, because you've

1266
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: already accomplished everything. You don't need to prove anything, but

1267
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 2: you've What you need to prove is that you still

1268
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 2: love the sport. Guys. Thanks, I mean, this has been awesome.

1269
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 2: I could talk to you for hours. I do have

1270
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 2: to ask you about what's going to happen with the

1271
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 2: time and plans, because you were supposed to stop at

1272
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: the US Open. It was going to be hurrah the

1273
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 2: last court.

1274
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, we felt like we had one more

1275
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 5: good year left in US you know, not getting any younger,

1276
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 5: and we thought, okay, we want to keep playing while

1277
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 5: we're healthy.

1278
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I mean, look, we haven't hit

1279
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 3: any ball. Have you been hitting a lot of balls? Hello?

1280
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: No, I don't need to.

1281
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 3: Uh. So we went out there yesterday.

1282
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 5: We you know, we sprinkled in a couple of hits,

1283
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 5: just trying to keep keep sharp and see how we feel.

1284
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 3: I mean, now Mike's got the baby. I travel with

1285
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 3: the baby. It's it's it's it's challenging. So we'll see

1286
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 3: if he wants to do that.

1287
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 5: It's hard to rev up the engines again when when

1288
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 5: you shut it down for this line, you have to

1289
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 5: keep you know, like we talked about you have, like

1290
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 5: the body at this age has.

1291
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: To keep moving. You have to stretch.

1292
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 5: If your role, you have to do everything like a

1293
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 5: professional athlete does. And it's just if we really want

1294
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 5: to do that. We really want to play the Open

1295
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 5: and go out there. But I don't think it going

1296
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 5: to happen. Realistically, It's probably gonna get moved. We're going

1297
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 5: to play Team Tennis that got announced today.

1298
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 3: It's going to happen for the Vegas Rollers. But yeah,

1299
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 3: we'll see where our head's at.

1300
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, no decisions yet, stubbsy, but you know

1301
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 5: we want to play some of these urnaments that we

1302
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 5: we love, Indian Wells, Miami.

1303
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 3: And Sin Seeing the Open. Those are the those are

1304
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 3: the terments we love playing.

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00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: You might have to wait another year, Fellas. I mean, well,

1306
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: I mean listen, I'll take you for another years.

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00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: You got one more mixed doubles in you.

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00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 2: No, man, my hips are bad. I need to you know,

1309
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: I got the hips, the knees. I mean, if if

1310
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: you if you want to play, I mean, you did

1311
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: win the US Open with my team and she was

1312
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: forty nine. I just turned forty.

1313
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 3: Nine, so I got okay, Okay, there we go.

1314
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: I got time. Well, now that you've been in quarantine though,

1315
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: you know, away from all of this, is it given

1316
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: you we can do it? Is it given you a

1317
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 2: sense of what you want to do? This is all

1318
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: over though, I mean, you've got kids now, and do

1319
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: you want to get No.

1320
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 5: No, I mean we've definitely put a positive spin on

1321
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 5: the quarantine. Just kind of a reset, you know. Spend

1322
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 5: time with the family, gives you a little glimpse into retirement.

1323
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 5: What's going to be like a daily routine. Yeah, and

1324
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 5: just hanging out at the house a lot. I've been cooking,

1325
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 5: Mike's full time with the baby. We're thinking about, you know,

1326
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 5: what we want to do. It's hard, you know, you know,

1327
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,479
Speaker 5: to try to figure out what you you know, because

1328
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 5: a lot of the stuff around the tennis world.

1329
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you spend a lot of time in California.

1330
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 2: You both have places in Florida. You spend a lot

1331
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 2: of time there as well. I know, with your residents

1332
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 2: and everything. Mike, you're a lot more in Kelly. Yeah,

1333
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: it has this given you a reason to maybe want

1334
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: to live closer to each other, especially now that you

1335
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: have cousins.

1336
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think we're the happiest when we're

1337
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 5: close to each other, and it feels a little weird

1338
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 5: to be all the way across the US, because I mean,

1339
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 5: we love doing stuff together and we want our kids

1340
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 5: to play together. I'm trying to get him to move

1341
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 5: out to California because this is where it's at. I mean,

1342
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 5: look at this weather, just blue sky, palm trees, get

1343
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 5: the mountains. And so he's got an Airbnb. He's been

1344
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 5: here for a couple of months, and I think you

1345
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 5: should stay here by that Airbnb. I'll stay here a

1346
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 5: little longer if you pay for my Airbnb.

1347
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean extra grand slam wins.

1348
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 5: Yeah right, Yeah, it's so funny how we spoil our

1349
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 5: money until until.

1350
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,959
Speaker 3: I'll write you a check. I'll buy breakfast. Yeah yeah,

1351
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 3: but uh yeah, I think I think we gotta get

1352
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 3: Bob out here. Let's convince him, all right. I love Galli.

1353
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 3: I love Gali.

1354
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 5: It's it's it's nice. But you know, Mitchie's family is

1355
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 5: all in Miami. It's gonna be ana be a tough sell.

1356
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know those Florida Texas.

1357
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're nice over here in California. That's a chunk.

1358
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, it's honest. To god like you're two of

1359
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: the just the best guys. I was there when you

1360
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 2: won your hundredths. I think you won that US Open

1361
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 2: as well. I mean, I've been around, I've seen you

1362
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 2: so much. I've played team tennis with you. I've had

1363
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: the court only with Bob. Mike didn't play with me, Bob.

1364
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: Did we lost, Mike?

1365
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 3: Did we beat Mike and Karna?

1366
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: No?

1367
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 3: We lost, Dude, we lost? Oh yeah, damn? Have you

1368
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: ever beat did we ever beat you? Been?

1369
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: You played him once?

1370
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 3: I remember my funny Did I choke it? Yeah, Bob

1371
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 3: let you down. I remember you were saying, I have

1372
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 3: no idea.

1373
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: I didn't even know the score.

1374
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 3: But all courtnight match, I remember, here's.

1375
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 2: My face was on. It was on grandstand. Here's my

1376
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 2: favorite thing about you, though, didn't involve you, Mike, Bob Wimbledon.

1377
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 2: Do you remember this match you played with Venus playing

1378
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: with Todd no one? Oh my god? Uh Todd Perry,

1379
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 2: Todd Perry, thank you terrible. And I was playing the

1380
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 2: backhand side.

1381
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 3: Yep, Oh yeah, there's that. That lefty cutter was working

1382
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 3: that day.

1383
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: And do you know, Mike, do you know how many

1384
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:58,439
Speaker 2: returns I got in the court that day and we

1385
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 2: were up a break in the first set. Okay, my

1386
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: partner surved for the first set, so we were making pretty.

1387
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 5: Good once on grass in twenty years.

1388
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 3: So probably you made one return.

1389
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: Zero.

1390
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that thing was that thing was cutting.

1391
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: He was cutting. Here's the best part. On match point,

1392
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: this cocky son of a bitch looks at me literally

1393
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 2: at Wimbledon and goes, where do you want it?

1394
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 3: Where do you want?

1395
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 5: I go?

1396
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I go here foehand. I thought

1397
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: at least I might be able to bump the forehand

1398
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 2: in the court. Now you're still hidden in the net.

1399
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was six. Yeah, I was a twenty eight

1400
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 5: year old fresh arm still.

1401
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, just sliding me into the into the patrons on

1402
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: court three.

1403
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 3: You needed a ticket to return that, sir.

1404
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 2: I mean, how dump. But I played you on the

1405
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 2: forehand side at the US Open and I returned you

1406
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 2: pretty well, So I thought that was a mistake. I

1407
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: never can play the back end with you.

1408
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 5: We had many battles there, Stevesy, sure you got I didn't.

1409
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 2: Play enough anyway, guys, I love it much. I'm Mike,

1410
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 2: I'm so congrats on the little Jake man. I can't

1411
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: wait to see them all together. I'm happy to I'm

1412
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 2: a good I'm a good babysitter. But yeah, I can't

1413
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 2: say enough words about how amazing you both are as parents,

1414
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 2: as brothers, as sons, as competitors. You're so respected on

1415
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: the tour with everybody. There's not a bad word that

1416
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 2: could be said about you because you played the game

1417
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 2: the right way. I hope to God we get to

1418
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: see you play a few more tournaments. I certainly want

1419
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 2: to see you maybe hold up one more slams and

1420
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 2: if not, if not, work on that forehand. Bobby, You'll

1421
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 2: be fine. I can't say enough about you. So thanks

1422
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 2: for joining me today and take care of themselves. I'll

1423
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 2: see you soon.

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01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: And that's it for this episode of the Racket Magazine podcast.

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01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.

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01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: Our host is Renee Stubbs.

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01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,880
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01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:04,600
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01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,960
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01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,400
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