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Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya Red and I

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Speaker 1: heart radio podcast. Okay, everybody, I am so excited for

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Speaker 1: so excited. But we have Jenna Kut You're scrubbing in today,

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Speaker 1: so please welcome her. I mean, like, I need like

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Speaker 1: the sound quality would go real down. I know, you know,

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Speaker 1: we used to do like these bits where we would

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Speaker 1: not ironically wearing those things. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: scrubbing In. I We have been encouraged to pitch guests

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Speaker 1: for the show, like more recently, and Tanya always has

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Speaker 1: the other day when I was at your Instagram, and

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Speaker 1: get her on the show because you represent so much

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Speaker 1: of what our podcast, what we hope it does for people.

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Speaker 1: So I'm really happy to be chatting with you today,

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Speaker 1: I said yes so fast because I listened to your

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Speaker 1: show so like when things go full sir like that,

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Speaker 1: it's like the best. I was listening to Caitlin's episode

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Speaker 1: on Manifesting, and I was like, I feel like the

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Speaker 1: fact that like I get to be on this show

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Speaker 1: is like straight up manifesting in action, so oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: And it's so like, don't you feel even when she

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Speaker 1: But I also feel like there's so many things in

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Speaker 1: this is amazing, So thank you. I feel that way too.

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Speaker 1: And wait, that's a really good idea sleeping with a

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Speaker 1: mirror well not the mirrorbab because I don't care about that.

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Speaker 1: But do you want to hear something kind of crazy? Though? Okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll smooth switch gears after this, because you just

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Speaker 1: my team had said, like, just as the baby's heartbeat

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Speaker 1: is Jenna for people who, for whatever reason, don't know

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Speaker 1: do you describe yourself as? Yeah, so I'm coming at

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Speaker 1: you from Duluth, Minnesota. So I do not live in

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Speaker 1: And so that passion really fueled all of the next steps,

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Speaker 1: it's not about the what and the how, it's about

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00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 1: the why. And like I realized like this year, like

430
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 1: I had my second baby and I had to launch

431
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 1: this book, and like I had these big dreams, and

432
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 1: my why for my health was so much stronger than

433
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: it has ever been. And all these people were asking

434
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: me like what are you doing, Like what's going on?

435
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 1: Like how are you how is your skin clearing it now?

436
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 1: And all these things, and I was like, nobody's asking

437
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: me why, and the why is the only reason why

438
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 1: these things are actually happening. Like I want to be

439
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 1: vibrant for my book launch, I want to be present

440
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: as a mom. And it's just so interesting because it's

441
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 1: like we live in this world of like before and

442
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 1: after transformations, and no one's showing the middle. And I'm like,

443
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: more people would connect to the middle of your journey,

444
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 1: but everyone's like walking through life leaving there the before version,

445
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: and they're like waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting to live their

446
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 1: life until the after and it's like we're missing our

447
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 1: freaking lives. It's just crazy. But like for your point,

448
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: it's like, if you work out every day, that's great,

449
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: but what's the why. And it's like your why was

450
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: not right, it wasn't healthy, and so it's like so

451
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 1: fascinating to me, like how we can reframe things. But

452
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: I'm like we are asking the wrong questions to people

453
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 1: because I think we really want to get to the

454
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 1: heart of things. Like my dad was like, oh, you

455
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 1: look like really good, and I was like all I

456
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 1: wanted to do was feel good, and like that changed

457
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: everything for me, you know what I mean. So it's

458
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: just really interesting to me. I have so much I

459
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about. I'm like panicking about

460
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: like what my next question is gonna be. But um

461
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: it's so you were very um open about your journey

462
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: of getting pregnant and and your miscarriages and and that

463
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: whole process of like the grieving and the expectation, and um,

464
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 1: I just on our last podcast, Haley and I watched

465
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: her three year old niece over the weekend, like her

466
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: parents went to town and watched them. Oh my gosh.

467
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: I was really questioning everything that I ever thought I

468
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 1: wanted in life. I as someone who went through this

469
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: process of like talking about your journey, Um, I'm so

470
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: curious having children now, Like, and you traveled and did

471
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: so much before you had kids, do you ever I'm

472
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,239
Speaker 1: not gonna say long for the life. Yeah. We were

473
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: just saying how like sometimes in our society and people

474
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: are being a lot more honest now about it because

475
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: I think we've entered up as phase of like being

476
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: on a snopen is is more relatable. But people, um,

477
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: for a long time never talked about missing the old

478
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: parts and I gosh, yeah, yeah, I'm just we So

479
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: here's the thing and here's I mean, this deserves no caveats.

480
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: I love being a mom. It is a massive part

481
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: of my identity. I love my children more than anything.

482
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: But I sometimes look at people without children and I'm like, damn,

483
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can just sleep in What is that?

484
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: Like you go, you go out and drinking. There's not

485
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: something jumping in bed at five in the morning, And

486
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 1: like there are pieces of that. And I will say

487
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 1: that like for anyone listening, like if if you desire

488
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: children and if you're blessed to have them, like they

489
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: will transform your world in eight million ways. But like

490
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: the one consistent theme in motherhood is surrender, and the

491
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: second one is changed every time I think we've got

492
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: it figured out. Something changes. Every time I think I

493
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: have a plan, you've got a surrender to it. And

494
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, for me, like I'm a super ambitious woman,

495
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: like I don't want to, you know, just devote my

496
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: life to my children, and I want my children to

497
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: watch become fully alive. And I feel like it's a

498
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: form of child abuse in a sense of like dying

499
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: to raise your children, Like I want my girls to

500
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: like see me pursue my dreams so that it invites

501
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: them to do the same. And I feel like women,

502
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: especially these days, it's kind of like this martyr dum,

503
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: Like motherhood has become this like martyr story um for

504
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: a lot of women who do desire more, who have

505
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: chosen like so selflessly to stay home or to raise children, um,

506
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: but also who have these deeper desires, like there's more

507
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: than I want to do in my life. And I

508
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: feel like it's been a really interesting journey for me

509
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: because like my I genuinely like pumped the brake pedal

510
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: when I finally got pregnant with Coco, because in our

511
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: story of loss, I had to like figure out like

512
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: what kind of mom do I want to be and

513
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 1: how do I want to move through motherhood? And I

514
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: feel like my losses were like my greatest teachers because

515
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: I was not running a sustainable business. I was working

516
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: around the clock. I wasn't taking care of myself. Like

517
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: there's so many warning lights in my life that I

518
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: was ignoring um And so I feel like my season

519
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: of waiting, like I did not waste it because I

520
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: was working towards building a business, I could support the

521
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: type of mom that I wanted to be. And it's

522
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: really interesting because I'm super fortunate, Like I am so privileged.

523
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: My husband is a stay at home dad, so like

524
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: it's just like we are in it together. But it's

525
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: it's different, you know, like when my book came out,

526
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: like I was on the Today Show and twenty minutes later,

527
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm nursing a baby and like up in the middle

528
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: of the night, and like the parts of me where

529
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, this would have been so much easier if

530
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: I came by myself, but it is so much richer

531
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: share of my family, and so I I absolutely My

532
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: sister is about to have a baby, and I'm like, girlfriend,

533
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: like stupid like doing all these things because all those

534
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: annoying things that people tell you you don't know what

535
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: you don't know. And I think that's the beauty of it. Um.

536
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: I like love being a mom because I learned so much,

537
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: Like I am constantly stretched and um, I feel like

538
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: I am challenged at a higher level of like what

539
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: do I want the future to be for these kids?

540
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: Because the world is a crazy place right now. Um,

541
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's really interesting but evil, and it's

542
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: the mental load of motherhood is something that nobody talks about.

543
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: And it's like, even when I'm like fully invested in

544
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: my work, I'm like, Okay, did they eat? Did somebody?

545
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: Are they napping? Do they need milk? Is everything okay?

546
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: And like I never fully lose that part of it,

547
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: even when I'm like fully invested in my work. So

548
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: it feels like I'm just like happen all the time.

549
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: It's like we're expected to mother, like we don't have jobs,

550
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: and we're expected to work our jobs like we aren't mothers.

551
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: And I think that's the problem with society these days.

552
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: I love that I think that's really empowering because I

553
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: also think there's there's like once you commit to being

554
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: a mom, than the other parts of you disappear or

555
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: you know, like well, no, I had this conversation with

556
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: a friend of mine the other day because she was saying,

557
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: and this is like so such like a superficial way

558
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: to look at it, but she was saying that, um,

559
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: her entire Instagram page was her kids, and she lost

560
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: like there's no identity, Like there's just you know, the

561
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: Instagram page and it's just the kids and there's not

562
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: that you lose your sense of self in a weird way,

563
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: like you there's I don't know, and then like you

564
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: kind of get to this point where you need to

565
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: still have an identity that's your own. Yes. I always

566
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: see like on Pelicon leaderboard when it's like Mason mommy

567
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: is like the user name, and I'm like, but who

568
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: were you before you were that? Like you know what

569
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: I mean? But I think too, it's like Drew and

570
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: I had this joke because like during COVID, we were

571
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: like driving and uh, we're talking about one of her friends,

572
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: and I was like, what do you she does like

573
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: outside of motherhood and work, and then I like had

574
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: this moment where like what do I do outside of

575
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: motherhood and work? And it was like this big challenge

576
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: of like who were you before all this, and like

577
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: who do you want to be? And something for me

578
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: that I think has been like so crucial And I

579
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: just want to encourage women, like if parenthood and motherhood

580
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: is on your heart is like it is okay to

581
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: hit the brake pedal in career in whatever that looks like,

582
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: as long as you trust yourself that you know where

583
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: the gas pedal is, like you can slow down. And

584
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: like I have absolutely slowed down over the last four years,

585
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: but I'm getting ready to like hit the gas pedal again.

586
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: Like I am loving my work again. I am desiring

587
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: to travel again. Like I have this like fire inside

588
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: of me that I think my book ignited where I'm like, Okay,

589
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: I have devoted the last four years to literally being

590
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: there every single night and every single morning, and like

591
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: now I'm ready to go again. And I know where

592
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: the gas pedal is and i know how to press it,

593
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: and I've got the right support network in my life

594
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: to not feel guilt over that. And so it's just

595
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: this thing where I think a lot of women, it's

596
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: like you just put your whole life on hold, and

597
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: it's like, no, your life is beginning. It's gonna look different,

598
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: but like you and by your kids into your world,

599
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: don't let them become your world. And I also think

600
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: it's so huge, like acknowledging that you have a partner

601
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: who's so like a partner, not just like someone that

602
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: down to the single parents out there or the parents

603
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: who are not involved. I bow down legitimately legit just

604
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: the tiny glimpse I got into it this weekend, Like

605
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: Haley and I were both like we were such a team,

606
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: like do we get to de side if you know,

607
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: we get to decide if if we want to do

608
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: that go in that direction. But it was nice that

609
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: like it felt like if we did that, there was

610
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: that partnership because I think that's that's what gets so hard,

611
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: as like people have children and then they don't have

612
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: anyone around them helping out, and I don't think it's

613
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: realistic for like one person to be able to take

614
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: that on. So I'm the same. I've kept thinking about

615
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: single moms who do this and my mom who had

616
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: five kids, all those stories of like people that are successful,

617
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: and they're like, my mom was a single mom of

618
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: four kids and like work three jobs, and I'm like,

619
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: that woman needs a Nobel Peace Prize. Like I don't

620
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: know how that's even like do you know what I mean?

621
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: It kind of like paints those stories because I'm like that,

622
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I think, And honestly, it's a really

623
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: big reality, especially right now with the way the world is,

624
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: and it's like, man, so anyone listening that's in that situation,

625
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: we would give you a gold medal just to clarify

626
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: my my mom was not a single mom. I was

627
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: just saying that she had five pis and my dad

628
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: was super involved. But still I'm just like, wow, no,

629
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: it's nearly. It's so nearly. So it's also wild for

630
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: women to think about your maternal years though, too, because

631
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: it's like, if you think about started trying, we has

632
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: in like how many years are you going to be

633
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: either pregnant, nursing or trying to get pregnant. It's like

634
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: a big stretch of your life. And I think people

635
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: don't think about that because so like we start did

636
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: trying to get pregnant and then I had one miscarriage,

637
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: then a full year later, another miscarriage, than a full

638
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: year later, another pregnancy. Then I had a baby that

639
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: I was breastfeeding for a year, Then I had one

640
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: year off, then I was pregnant again, then I'm breastfeeding

641
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: for a year. That's like seven years of my life

642
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: devoted to like not having my body be my own.

643
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if women think about the tiniest

644
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: face is telling she has also not thought about that,

645
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: but thinking about like your mom that go with five children,

646
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: even if you nurse for even just a few months,

647
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: that's like probably over a decade of her life was

648
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: being in those maternal years. Based on how you are

649
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: spread out, that's a lot of life, you know, because

650
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: how many years are between the oldest and youngest in

651
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: your family. So my sisters thirty five, my oldest sister

652
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: thirty five, then my youngest sister is twenty four, So

653
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: right there, it's eleven plus if she brush us and

654
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: like I think, then this went longer than a year,

655
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: that's like over thirteen years of her life when you

656
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: add on the first pregnancy and the last breastfeeding. So

657
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: when you think about that, it's kind of bananas. It's

658
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: been crazy. Yeah, No, I've been keep asking me if

659
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: I want more, and I'm like, I love the three

660
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: year gap, but if I had three children, that would

661
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: be like six years of like being in limbo of

662
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: like pregnant breastfeeding waiting, pregnant breastfeed waiting. And I was like,

663
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't. Yeah, You're like I got to

664
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: they have a sibling where it's just like it is

665
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: such an It's such an interesting way to think of it,

666
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: because like I've been thinking about freezing my eggs and

667
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just the thought of those injections. I'm like,

668
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: I my body does not do well with hormones. So

669
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: the thought of having to inject those hormones into me

670
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: for a month, like I'm going to be a total

671
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: We'll take a break from the podcast. I'm saying, I'm

672
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: not have to do it, like when I'm not work game,

673
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. Yeah, I can't. I'm on progesterone. Yeah,

674
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, not myself, And it was like

675
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: what if we were you rumpier? Were you cranky? Are you? So?

676
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: So here's what was so weird. So it was so

677
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: with my third pregnancy, so we had the two losses,

678
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: we did all the hormone tests. I got pregnant with

679
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: my third pregnancy, which became Coco, and I was on progesterone,

680
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: and I was expecting to feel like elated that everything

681
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: was happening, and progesterone actually made me depressed. And I

682
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: had never been depressed in my entire life, and I

683
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: had I felt so gray, like I couldn't even describe it.

684
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: And what's so funny is that? Or not funny? But

685
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: Jillian Harris was pregnant with Leo at the same time,

686
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: and she had posted something about just like feeling so

687
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: gray and like nothing sounded good, she didn't feel like

688
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: and I remember that was like my lifeline because then

689
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: I was feeling that way and I was like, Okay,

690
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: this is gonna end. But like I would just sit

691
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: there and cry, and I'm like, I'm so supposed to

692
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: be so happy right now, and like I can't eat anything,

693
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: nothing sounds good, I don't feel like myself, Like it

694
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: was just really weird. And like I it was the hormones,

695
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 1: because the day after I stopped taking them, I felt

696
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: so much better again. And so it was just like

697
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: thinking about what women go through, just even on a

698
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: monthly basis with the periods is like bananas, but pregnancy,

699
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: holy crap, it's crazy for both of you. But I'm like,

700
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: literally I've been thinking about it and I was like,

701
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: I have to do it a month where I'm not

702
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: not working as much because I literally don't think I like,

703
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, I need to show. Have you guys ever

704
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: planned your work around your periods? Have you ever heard

705
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: about how you can do that. I've planned every I

706
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: used to plant everything around my period. I don't. I'm like,

707
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: I will say, I'm really fortunate. My periods are very

708
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: like they're annoying. Like it's like and I get I

709
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 1: can tell like my irritability, but it's always pretty consistent.

710
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: But I know Tanya like her cramps and stuff. I'm like,

711
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I would be so no, But it's

712
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: not even that, Like it's the different phases of your

713
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: cycle and like like like tapping into like the benefits

714
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: of them, like your folicular phases. Like that is the

715
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: period of time where you're just like on it, like

716
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: you can really like get done. And so that's when

717
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: I try and schedule all your podcasts. I'm sorry I

718
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: can't show up in mopulating. Yeah, and like that opulation

719
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: period is when you feel your sexiest. So it's like

720
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: if you want to schedule if you have photo shoots

721
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, like schedule it in that al right, right right, good?

722
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: I love it. I want to talk about your businesses

723
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: because I think there's so many people who are probably

724
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: in a position that you were in at three said

725
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: when you were incorporate and probably just doing you know,

726
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: going through the motions in their five year plan like

727
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: they thought, but like itching for something more. Um So

728
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm curious the mint, what's sorry, switching gears? What's your sign? Oh,

729
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: I'm an aries okay, like Hayley Scenaries, Um, I think

730
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: our birthdays are like a couple of days apart. I'm

731
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: April eight, she's April three, okay, right there. I feel like, um,

732
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like what was the process of because

733
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: that's that takes a lot of bravery and also I

734
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: mean just confidence to step into something totally new without

735
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: having any like background or experience in it. So I

736
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: just I'm just curious, like how you got from that

737
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: point who Jenna was in that world to having so

738
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: many businesses and wearing so many hats that you have

739
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 1: now yeah, So lately I've been thinking about like how

740
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: annoying it is when you see something that says like

741
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: pursue your passion, and like most of us are like,

742
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: what in my passion out? Again? Um? Because I especially

743
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: think the pandemic almost brought to light like a lot

744
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: of us just like live to work, and you know,

745
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: we don't work to live. And you know, for me,

746
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: it's been really this journey of like not always knowing

747
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: what I'm passionate about, but knowing what I no longer

748
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: want or what like I will not tolerate anymore. And

749
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: I don't say that from like a stuffy place like

750
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: I'm a Minnesota nice girl, but like when somebody handed

751
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: me a five year plan and was like talking about

752
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: a promotion, I was like, I don't even want that

753
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: promotion because I don't like this job. And for me nowadays,

754
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: I think we have like eight revenue streams um a

755
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: multimillion dollar company and I work from home with my

756
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: kids at home. It's kind of a show, but um,

757
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: but it's beautiful, Like this is what I wanted. And

758
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: for me, what I want people to know is like

759
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: so right now, and I'm sure you guys know this

760
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: but like in the economy, like there's this thing called

761
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: the Great Resignation where women are leaving the workforce in droves,

762
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: like more than ever before. Women are literally just like

763
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: putting their foot down and saying like, this doesn't work

764
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: for us anymore. And it's no wonder because we've talked

765
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: about it, like with motherhood and all these other responsibilities,

766
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: Like the way that we have the workforce set up

767
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: in the US is just not conducive to the lives

768
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: that women want. And so it's really fascinating because with

769
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: the Great Resignation happening and women leaving, I feel like

770
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: we're missing a really crucial key to that, and that

771
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: to me is that you want to if you want

772
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: to get out of something, you want to leverage that

773
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: thing to propel you forward. And what's happening is women

774
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: are like, if you want to get out of something,

775
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: a lot of women are just like handing in their

776
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: two weeks notice and they're like, I'll figure it out.

777
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: What I think we need to be doing is leveraging

778
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: that thing to propel us forward. What I mean by

779
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: that is that when I knew I didn't want that

780
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: job anymore, I didn't hand in my two weeks. Notice

781
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: I use my paychecks from that job to fund the dream.

782
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: Like everything I've ever done is started as a side hustle,

783
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: one for me to experiment enough to figure out do

784
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: I actually want to do this thing, but too to

785
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: have the safety and security to stay creative. Like I

786
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: think all of us are very creative humans, but we

787
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: have become so obsessed in our society with putting deadlines

788
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: and financial gain ahead of our creativity. And like for me,

789
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: like when I wrote my book, I knew that in

790
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: order to stay creative, I had to do it on

791
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 1: my own terms. And so I did the whole book

792
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: process backwards, because anytime a deadline or a paycheck gets involved,

793
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: my creativity gets squashed because I feel like I have

794
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: to you know, I owe somebody something in order to

795
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: collect the paychecks. So like for me, in that process,

796
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: it was like I want to write words that tell,

797
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: not words that sell. Like I want to write what

798
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: I want to write and hand it over and be like,

799
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: here's my story. And so when I left Target, I

800
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: had already worked you know, Target, plus building my business

801
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: on the side for a full year in order to

802
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: have the safety and security to say Okay, I'm gonna

803
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: make the leap. And part of that is because I'm

804
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: from the Midwest, like my parents are like, Okay, you're

805
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: leaving a salary in a four oh one k you

806
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: better have a good plan in place. And for me,

807
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: it was like I did think through every step of that.

808
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: And one of the things that was really helpful for

809
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: me is I was like, Okay, what is the worst

810
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: case scenario, Like, what is the worst thing that can happen?

811
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: And it was that my photography business would fail and

812
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: I'd have to go back into the job market. I

813
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: had a degree, I had experience. If that's the worst

814
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: thing that can happen, I'm gonna go for it, like

815
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: and so I think a lot of us are like

816
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: walking around with these fears and instead of just asking

817
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: ourselves like what would I do if that thing actually

818
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: happened and creating an action plan that we could rely on,

819
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: we're just not doing the thing in the first place

820
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: because the fear is too big. And so it's really

821
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: interesting because in my book, I kind of walked through

822
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: like I've lived eight hundred lifetimes in a career. I

823
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: had my photography business, I had a wedding blog, like

824
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: a Midwest wedding blog at a watercolor print shop, of

825
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: my podcast, I teach courses, I run airbnb s, like

826
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: I have all these different careers that I've done and tried,

827
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: and like I wrote a book now. And I think

828
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: that one of the things that people forget is that,

829
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: like every single thing that I've embarked into, it's been

830
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: a side hustle and my life hasn't been on the line.

831
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: I've always protected my safety and security with the thing

832
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: that is paying me so oh that I can preserve

833
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: that creativity to create what's next. And I think we're

834
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: just in this, like all in culture, where it's like

835
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: I don't like this, I'm gonna leave and then I'll

836
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: figure it out. And it's like we cannot be creative

837
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: and we cannot figure things out when we're literally not

838
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: feeling safe or protected. So I don't know, I just

839
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm very passionate about this great resignation because I love

840
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: that women are putting their foot down, but I'm also like,

841
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: give yourself safety and security because we need those things

842
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: to really go after what it is that we want.

843
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: It's fascinating because that's so simple, like to think about,

844
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: like of course you need to have income to pursue

845
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: something that you don't have security in. But you're right,

846
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: like so many people immediately go, this isn't feeling. I'm

847
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: not getting there's no passion in this. I'm going and

848
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: here's my two weeks with like no backup plan or

849
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 1: no safety net. And I think that's like incredible advice

850
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: of like leveraging what you're what you have right now,

851
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: like what you know to be true, in pursuit of

852
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: what what fuels you. But something else A friend of

853
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: mine was talking to me about the other day that

854
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: really kind of struck me because I've been in a

855
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: little bit like I can really be super focused and

856
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: super driven and just goal oriented, and lately I've been

857
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: feeling not that. And I was talking to this girlfriend

858
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: of mine who she's an entrepreneur, businesswoman, and she was saying,

859
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: like she's like crushing it right now. She just bought

860
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: a store front. She's gonna like expand and do all

861
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: this stuff, and she's kind of going through it. And

862
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm so proud of you and I'm

863
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: so happy for you, and I'm just kind of asking

864
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: your like when did you feel that shift and that change,

865
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: and she goes, I got super super clear about what

866
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: I wanted, what I wanted it to look like, how

867
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: I wanted it to look like, super super specific. And

868
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: she's like, once I got really specific about where I

869
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: wanted to go and what I wanted to do, everything

870
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: started kind of falling into place and everything became a

871
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: lot clearer. And I was like that, I think is

872
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: what's my biggest thing that's holding me back right now?

873
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: Is in so many different areas, Like B and I

874
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: would talk about the podcast, where do we see this

875
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: podcast in five years? Both of us can't really put

876
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: our finger on what that is and what it looks like.

877
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the big things that's

878
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: holding us back. And even in my relationship, like I'm like,

879
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: even earlier we're talking about having a kid, I'm like,

880
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: I think I want a kid, you know, and I'm

881
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: not I'm not being very clear and like pointed in

882
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: a certain direction. I feel like that's what's making me

883
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: feel so like, but but I think that that's like, uh,

884
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: I think you do know deep down, and I think

885
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: maybe you're just not getting quiet enough with yourselves right

886
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: Like in my life, the fear like creep in because

887
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: I think it's someone some ask me something today and

888
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: they were like, you know, I love what you say

889
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: about like boundaries. I'm a big boundaries person. How do

890
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, Oh god, I love boundaries. Um. And she

891
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: was like, how do you know if you're like saying

892
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,479
Speaker 1: no because your boundaries or you're just saying no because

893
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: you're like afraid of something. And I was like, you

894
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: already know, you know, let me tell you this really

895
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: quick story. So I had zero plans to write a book,

896
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: like zero, Like I've literally gone on the record on

897
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: my podcasting I will never write a book. And it

898
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: was August and it was my husband and I. It

899
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: was our ten year wedding anniversary and we were in

900
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: a town of people like literally two hours away from

901
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: the nearest target in northern northern northern Minnesota. And I

902
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: booked us these massages and I promised this is this

903
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: will take us full circle. And uh, this woman greeted

904
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: me at the door and she's like, Hi, my name

905
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: is Thea, I'm an intuitive healer and I'm gonna be

906
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: doing your massage today. And I was like, Okay, I

907
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: don't know what that means, but like, are you going

908
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: to read my mind the whole time. What's going on? Um?

909
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: And so she does my massage and at the end

910
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: of it, she goes, can I tell you what came

911
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: up for you today? And I was like, yeah, what

912
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: came up? Because I was like, I'm super open minded,

913
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: tell me anything. And she goes, this is all she

914
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: said to me. This is what I want to say

915
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: to YouTube. She said, there is something you need to

916
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: do and you already know what it is. And she

917
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: looks at me and she goes, do you know what

918
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: I'm talking about? And literally just her saying, there's something

919
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: you need to do and you know what it is.

920
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: It was writing a book, and like I had not

921
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: it was not on my goal list, it was not

922
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: on my like year annual goals, Like it wasn't on

923
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: my vision board. And like immediately she said that, and

924
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: I was like, it was writing a book and she's like,

925
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: all I need to do is go out and do it.

926
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: And like that night, I like open up a Google

927
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: doc and literally just started writing. And I was like,

928
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: I am Becka. I'm very much like you were, Like

929
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm a naturally confident person, like I have a lot

930
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: of self belief in all these things, but like I

931
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: literally needed someone to remind me, like there were things

932
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: in my life that I wasn't doing. And She's like,

933
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: when I was massaging you, it was almost like you

934
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: were turning your hips away from the path you're meant

935
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: to be on, and like I just wanted to hold

936
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: your hips down and say stay the course. And it's

937
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 1: just so crazy because I'm like so many of us listening,

938
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: like there's something you need to do, and you already

939
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: know what it is, and you've known it, You've just

940
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: like buried it or you've ignored it, and so it

941
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,479
Speaker 1: was just crazy how like all that was born. Because

942
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: it's like I think a lot of times we feel

943
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: like we don't know, but we do know, we just

944
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: either don't want to confront it or like it's scary

945
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: because it means we're going to actually have to do

946
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: something about it if we say what we want. You know,

947
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: I think that, Wow, I have chills because I have

948
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: a lot of thinking to do. I have a lot

949
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: of things to do, but I also have a lot

950
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: of like confronting what I am avoiding because of fear

951
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: because I think and I don't know if you can

952
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: relate to this gender because of the natural confidence that

953
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: I've always had. Doing something that doesn't feel safe and

954
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: potentially failing because of that makes me immediately like go

955
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: in the other direction, because I'm like, I don't know,

956
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, like trying something new, like trying a new sport,

957
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: if I'm not immediately good at it, I'm like, I

958
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: don't like that sport, you know. And I think that's

959
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: how I am with like anything career minded, because I think, well,

960
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: if I if I leave something that's safe and I

961
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: try something that doesn't feel steady for me and I failed,

962
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: and that's going to be like a blow to my

963
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: ego and confidence instead of would you feel that way

964
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: if nobody saw it happen. Because here's the thing is

965
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: like social media is basically like a pure review journal

966
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: at this point, right, like we are like putting things

967
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: out like if you there's this part of my book,

968
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: let me see if I can find it really quick,

969
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: and it talks about how so when I ended up

970
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: writing this book, I did it without a deal, without anything.

971
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: I didn't even tell my mom um, and I just

972
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: wrote it and I wrote it just for me, And

973
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: the importance of that for me was like I wanted

974
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: to care about it even if no one else did.

975
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: And I think that, honestly, we're not that afraid of failing.

976
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: We're afraid of failing publicly, Like we're afraid of people

977
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: seeing us fail. And so it's like, what if we

978
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: let me just see. There's this part in it where

979
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: it talks about like how a lot of this work

980
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: was done in silence. Um, And I think that a

981
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: lot of times it's like we want to like show

982
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: our progress, or we want to like show what we're

983
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: doing so much so that like we missed the point

984
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: of like doing things just for the sake of doing them,

985
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: or trying things just for the sake of trying. And

986
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: I think that it's like so important. So it's like, um, here,

987
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: let's see everything that got you here. The good and

988
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: the h and the yikes propelled you all this way.

989
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: It all mattered, It all counted. In the words of

990
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: thea my massage therapist, we just did a lot of work,

991
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: and my goodness, look at how far you've come even

992
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: when you didn't think you could keep going. Your work,

993
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: just like my work in this book, will need to

994
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: be done in silence with no one watching. You'll need

995
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: to do it in your own way, in your own time.

996
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: You'll need to do it in a way that feels right,

997
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: not just looks right. I cannot promise to give your

998
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: body a rub down while simultaneously revealing the truth hidden

999
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: deep within you, or to send a mouse out to

1000
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: scare you into understanding what you've been that you've been

1001
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: avoiding the thing that you were put here on this

1002
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: earth to do. But if you've been searching for a sign,

1003
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: this just might be it. And I just feel like

1004
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: sometimes it is like what is work that like you

1005
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: want to do that you can literally do like in

1006
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: the privacy of your own heart, you know what I mean?

1007
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: Like that's the real work. I mean, it's even like

1008
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: you getting that engraved on your ring and not telling anybody.

1009
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: It's like not needing it to it just being yours

1010
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: and it being something that you could hold close. Yeah.

1011
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: Question just to bring it back to that your ring finger,

1012
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: Does that go to your heart? Do both of them

1013
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: go to your heart? Yes? They do. I think it's

1014
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: like the one vein that goes That's why you are

1015
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: your wedding rings on that. Yeah, So you could do

1016
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: it on your you could do it on this side,

1017
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: and I got mine from Majury and j U r I.

1018
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: They're sponsoring There we go. Maybe they'll sponsor you rings

1019
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: that you can engrave something in it for yourself. Yeah,

1020
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: there we go. I love that. I'm I'm just like

1021
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: I I've been inspired by you and after this conversation,

1022
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: I I'm just a huge fan and a friend and

1023
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: rooting for you. And I am literally about too well.

1024
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's sold out my local target,

1025
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: but I'm about to go buy your book wherever. I

1026
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: need to buy it too, because I'm feeling like I

1027
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: need to, really, yeah, I need to. I'm like having

1028
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: these internal thoughts of just like asking myself some hard questions. Yeah,

1029
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: you know, the whole Like it was so funny because

1030
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: we didn't name the book until like the very final stages,

1031
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: and I kept describing it to people and I'm like,

1032
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: it's the difference of like when someone asks you like

1033
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: how are you, and you know they just want you

1034
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: to say like good bye, busy, and like when you're

1035
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: with somebody who truly loves you and hold space for

1036
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,959
Speaker 1: you and they like lean in and they're like okay,

1037
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: but like cut the crap, how are you? Really like

1038
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: that is what it is. And and someone recently just

1039
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: messaged me the other day and they were like, I

1040
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: am like one chapter in and I'm hearing my voice again,

1041
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: and I was like, that is the goal, Like it

1042
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: is not. It is not a self help book. It

1043
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: is like coming back to yourself book. And I feel

1044
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: like in a world that's so obsessed with like personal development,

1045
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: it's like we've forgotten the person that's doing the developing.

1046
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: Like we are so obsessed with like here's how to

1047
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: get from there to here, and it's like maybe you

1048
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: haven't gotten to where you want to go because you're

1049
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: looking off of somebody else's map, you know, like maybe

1050
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: your compass isn't even aligned. So I'm like so excited

1051
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: about the book and you guys are really going to

1052
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: love it. Like I'm not just saying that, like you

1053
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 1: very much, will um. I believe that with every fiber

1054
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: of my being. And I can't wait to like talk

1055
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: to you. We need to do like a catch up

1056
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: in like yst a month. I want to see the

1057
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: rings on your fingers. I know what's going on, but

1058
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 1: I know I know you'll reveal it when you're ready.

1059
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: And I think when you reveal it, it'll be like, oh, yeah,

1060
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: of course this happened. Um. And the final thing I

1061
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: will say is that I feel like in a polarizing

1062
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: world that we're in, especially for like ambitious women like us,

1063
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: I feel like there are two camps and it's very

1064
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: much either like you hustle harder, you grind, you stay

1065
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: up late, you never log off, or you manifest your

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Speaker 1: way to your dreams. And like my book and like

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Speaker 1: my philosophy is like where the woo meets the work,

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Speaker 1: like where you get the ring engraved, but you also

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Speaker 1: put in the work to make that happen. And I

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Speaker 1: think that a lot of women are like looking to

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Speaker 1: live in that area of gray, but they feel like

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Speaker 1: they have to choose a camp like either I just

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Speaker 1: manifest more or a house of harder. And it's like, no,

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Speaker 1: we are like really driven women these days, and we're

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Speaker 1: so ambitious. So it's like if we get crystal clear

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Speaker 1: on what it is that we want, we also have

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Speaker 1: to be just as willing to like lace up the

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Speaker 1: sneakers and like move towards it, even if it's in

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Speaker 1: a way that isn't impressive to you know, the internet.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that's like so exciting for me.

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Speaker 1: You're incredible. Where where can people Okay, you have the podcast,

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Speaker 1: they can listen to anywhere. You can listen to podcasts, yes,

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Speaker 1: gold Digger podcast, go o a L not gold Digger.

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Speaker 1: And then the book is called how are You Really?

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Speaker 1: And you can get it literally anywhere books are sold,

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Speaker 1: although Target is very sold out. And it's such a

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Speaker 1: full circle thing. I'm like, I used to literally stock

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Speaker 1: these shelves and now I have a book that's selling out.

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Speaker 1: On him it's bananas um And you can find me

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Speaker 1: at Jenna Kutcher everywhere else Instagram, Twitter, I'm very easy

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Speaker 1: to find. So you're the best. I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: everyone go follow Jenna, support her by the book, listen

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Speaker 1: to the podcast, like right now on your rad We're

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Speaker 1: in um. We love you, Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: taking time and just proud to know you and call

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Speaker 1: you a friend. Deal. I love you, guys, And how

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Speaker 1: do you scrub out? Is there a progress people scrub out?

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Speaker 1: We have scrubbed out yet, but maybe you're our first

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Speaker 1: scrubber outer. I mean I feel like we didn't go

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Speaker 1: wash her hands or seriously, thank you so much. I

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Speaker 1: love you guys, have a great night. Thank you bye. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I got like emotional multiple times. I just go on

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Speaker 1: little head hears of it. Well, I just I related

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Speaker 1: so much to so much of it. Of like we do,

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Speaker 1: I mean, especially in my career is based on what

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Speaker 1: everyone else's like opinion of everything I'm doing right. But

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Speaker 1: the thing that would really hit me was, like she said,

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Speaker 1: is it the fear of failing or is it the

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Speaker 1: fail of the fear of failing publicly? That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: so true And I never I only know this life

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Speaker 1: in my recent years, which is public. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I just think, I just I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: I don't find her. I just love her because it's

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Speaker 1: very real. It's not like woo woo like quotes. It's

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Speaker 1: just like very much like this is what I did

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Speaker 1: and how I did it and what it looked like.

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Speaker 1: And she's been very honest about everything. I just I

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Speaker 1: and I think we're I think that's what we needed girl.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you we need I needed that. Let

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Speaker 1: me tell you I needed that. I needed it too. Um.

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Speaker 1: We love you all, We love you. Have a wonderful weekend,

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Speaker 1: wonderful weekend. We'll be back Monday. We will be back Monday,

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Speaker 1: and we love you, love you. Bye,