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Speaker 1: Wind down with Janet Kramer an I'mheart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Brooklyn Beckham releases scathing statements lamming parents Victorian David Beckham,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to reconcile, so basically, he broke his

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Speaker 2: silence on his strange relationship with his family. He said,

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Speaker 2: I've been silent for years and made every effort to

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Speaker 2: keep these matters private. Unfortunately, my parents and their team

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Speaker 2: have continued to go to the press, leaving me with

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Speaker 2: no choice but to speak for myself and to tell

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Speaker 2: the truth about only some of the lies that have

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Speaker 2: been printed, of some of the lives that had been printed.

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Speaker 2: I do not want to reconcile with my family, Basically,

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Speaker 2: he goes to say, my parents have been trying endlessly

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Speaker 2: to ruin my relationship since before my wedding, and it

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Speaker 2: hasn't stopped. My mom canceled making Nikola's dress in the

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Speaker 2: eleventh hour, despite how excited she was to wear her design,

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Speaker 2: forcing her to urgently find a new dress. His parents

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Speaker 2: repeatedly pressured and attempted to bribe him into signing a

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Speaker 2: way they rights to his name, which would have affected him,

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Speaker 2: his wife, and their future children. They were adamant on

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Speaker 2: me signing before my wedding date, because when the terms

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Speaker 2: of the deal would be initiated. Since the moment I

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Speaker 2: started standing up for myself, I've received endless attacks from

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Speaker 2: my parents, both privately and publicly that were sent to

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Speaker 2: the press on their orders, even when my brothers, even

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Speaker 2: my brothers were sent to attack me on social media

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Speaker 2: before they ultimately blocked me out of nowhere this last summer.

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Speaker 3: Guys, what are your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: There's a lot there.

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Speaker 2: I really would like to know. And since he went

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Speaker 2: off on this, I would like to know why on

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Speaker 2: the eleventh hour the dress was canceled because I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to believe that there is because that's

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Speaker 2: just a nasty that's not that's just a really how

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Speaker 2: do I say it, that's a really I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to say I want to say cruel.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say, like, that's just a really

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Speaker 2: shit thing to do to someone right.

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Speaker 3: Before the wedding. I'm curious.

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Speaker 2: I don't I make up because again I don't. I

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Speaker 2: don't want to see anyone in a bad light or

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Speaker 2: think they're a bad person. So what made her want

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Speaker 2: to cancel the dress and the eleven that what happened

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Speaker 2: that made her want to do that, because there had

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Speaker 2: to have been some.

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Speaker 3: And what's the eleventh hour? Like, we don't know.

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Speaker 4: Is that anytime you're planning a wedding, it's eleventh hour

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Speaker 4: if you're planning on a dressy in my opinion, But

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Speaker 4: I'm just curious, like what I bet it's because he

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Speaker 4: wouldn't sign.

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Speaker 2: Happened maybe, but also like I was kind of talking

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Speaker 2: to Alan about this too, which I can't share his

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Speaker 2: views and opinions on it. What I loved and he

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Speaker 2: did train both the boys.

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Speaker 3: So they have four kim in the day total Brooklyn

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Speaker 3: Romeo cru Cruise Harper. Yeah, so three boys and a girl. Yep,

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Speaker 3: and he's the oldest. So but.

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Speaker 2: From you know, just like kind of chatting about it,

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Speaker 2: I you know, I get, I just I don't know

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Speaker 2: what would cause her to Oh So I asked about

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Speaker 2: the name, you know, and he's just like listen, He's like,

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Speaker 2: that's when you have that name, you have to protect

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Speaker 2: what the image of that name is. Like let's say,

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Speaker 2: for example, she wanted to do a vibrator campaign. It

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Speaker 2: stops them basically from doing a sponsorship for that and

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Speaker 2: putting their name on it.

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Speaker 3: So I've been wrong with those sponsorship, No, no, nothing

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Speaker 3: at all.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, like, let's say they're wanting to

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Speaker 2: do a business, it is protecting the name they have built.

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Speaker 2: So I don't see like I see kind of the

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Speaker 2: other side of that where it's like they are trying

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Speaker 2: to protect that brand too.

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Speaker 3: Well. My whole point even with the eleventh hour of

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Speaker 3: the dress, like was it eleventh hour? And I don't

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Speaker 3: want to get stuck there, but it's like we're hearing

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Speaker 3: that's the version. What if it was there was a

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Speaker 3: style and then she wanted her style to be different

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Speaker 3: and Victoria's like, well, my name's attached to that, and

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Speaker 3: so I don't love that, So why don't you go

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Speaker 3: find a new designer? Does that was eleventh hour? Like

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Speaker 3: were they three or four months into the creation process

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Speaker 3: and then they hit a little dispute and she was like, actually,

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Speaker 3: I don't want this, you go do you? You know,

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Speaker 3: like I just feel like they're so much we don't

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Speaker 3: know that. I don't that would be a cruel thing

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Speaker 3: if it was. But if to your point, for namesake,

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Speaker 3: if these are people that have built empires and a

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Speaker 3: things like these and even.

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Speaker 2: Have multiple different uh you know trying to you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: supporting them being that you want to do this, you

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Speaker 2: want to do that, like they're not living normal lives,

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Speaker 2: and in helping pursue different businesses too, like helping him,

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Speaker 2: you know, figure it out too, So there is a

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Speaker 2: sense of you know, thankfulness for that would be nice too,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and protecting the name and the hard work that's

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Speaker 3: gone into creating what they've created. I do understand that

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Speaker 3: we also have had we have been friends with a

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Speaker 3: that was like, that is a really difficult thing to navigate.

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Speaker 3: It's something I've never had to worry about. So I

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Speaker 3: have witnessed kind of the ugly side of that too,

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Speaker 3: and so I just kind of I hold a little

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Speaker 3: bit of both and perspective from what I can what

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Speaker 3: I have come to learn, like firsthand, family money is

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Speaker 3: never going to be an issue I have to deal

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Speaker 3: with in my little orbit, Like we are providing sometimes

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Speaker 3: assistance for people in our family, So coming from money

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Speaker 3: is nothing I understand, but the first glimpse of that

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Speaker 3: from friends of mine, it's it adds a layer to

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Speaker 3: family that I don't envy either. It gets a really

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Speaker 3: difficult position. They're one of the family friends that we

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Speaker 3: are close with. They have, you know, four boys and

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Speaker 3: a girl, and one of the sons seems to follow

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Speaker 3: in his father's footsteps more than the other. And he's inventive,

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Speaker 3: and he's you know, well invested, and he's you know,

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Speaker 3: created this product and in a company that's really outstanding,

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Speaker 3: and he has become the favorite over his other three

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Speaker 3: brothers and a sister. And you know, we've witnessed firsthand

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Speaker 3: that family dynamic, and I hate that for them, you know,

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Speaker 3: like that's a really difficult position to be in.

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Speaker 4: I think this happens a lot in that class, in

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Speaker 4: the all elite, you know, money class. However, my opinion

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Speaker 4: again this is so he said, she said, correct, who knows.

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Speaker 1: What the truth is?

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Speaker 3: Correct?

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Speaker 4: Who knows what the truth is there? But to me,

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Speaker 4: even if you have a lot of money and you've

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Speaker 4: to follow exactly in your footsteps. Do exactly what you

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Speaker 4: want them to do. But to me, that gives you

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Speaker 4: zero right than to treat the other children differently. I

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Speaker 4: just don't And to me, my opinion of this now

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Speaker 4: seeing that a past assistant has come out and said

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Speaker 4: the truth always comes out. That just happened, I think

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Speaker 4: this morning or yesterday.

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Speaker 2: She's a video too that just posted on the carpet shoot,

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Speaker 2: and so I again I try not to have real

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Speaker 2: opinion because again it's definitely he said, she said, But

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Speaker 2: then also the dancing really provocatively on him at his

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Speaker 2: wedding and made everybody uncomfortable, Like, I don't think you're

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Speaker 2: really going to make that up when a bunch of

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Speaker 2: people are at your wedding and probably saw it. I'd

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Speaker 2: love to see that though, because listen, if I'm a

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Speaker 2: mom at a wedding, but you know, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to be dancing provocatively. But I'm just curious because she's

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Speaker 2: probably just like having fun, you know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I would love to see it. I wish they would.

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Speaker 1: I would. I would love to see it.

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Speaker 4: But I think what can happen in these instances is

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Speaker 4: she's not getting the attention. New wife over here is

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Speaker 4: getting the attention, and she wants the attention. That's how

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Speaker 4: I take it. I take that that's why that became

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Speaker 2: I don't know, so you think she's jealous of absolutely,

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Speaker 2: That's what it sounds like to me.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like if there's again.

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Speaker 4: You know, yeah, and it's weird that happens, Like there's

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Speaker 4: weird stuff like that happens a lot with moms.

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Speaker 2: And reallys and I mean, I'm not letting jays go ever,

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Speaker 2: but what do you mean? Yeah, I hated Legend's wife

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Speaker 2: the minute he was born.

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Speaker 4: They can become really territorial and territorial and weird and

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Speaker 1: Moms it really don't want to let their boys.

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Speaker 3: That's actually witnessed that I have to.

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Speaker 1: Like, it's a thing. So I'm I'm seeing that going huh.

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Speaker 4: I could totally see that, you know, Like it's weird

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Speaker 4: and uncomfortable and I can't ever imagine, you know, but

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Speaker 4: like I could see that, you know again. And it

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Speaker 4: sounds like I don't remember the past things that they've

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Speaker 4: put in the press about this, But if he truly

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I'm the person that's like more power to you.

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Speaker 4: If someone wants to keep talking crap about me and

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Speaker 4: will want to set my story straight.

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Speaker 2: I whant a devil's advocate that for one second, you know,

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Speaker 2: I just want to just for one second, because you know,

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Speaker 2: when you say, like the assistant came out, there's probably

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Speaker 2: two x nannies that could come out and be like,

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Speaker 2: oh the truth, you know, and they you know, and

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Speaker 2: it's like you got fired because you were the X

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Speaker 2: Y and Z, you know, so they just didn't mesh

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Speaker 2: or you know what I mean. Like, so it's yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think it's very easy for people that we've worked

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Speaker 2: always comes out. You know, it's like okay, and you

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Speaker 2: were also not great, right, you know, and this distant mash,

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Speaker 2: I totally hear what you're saying. Yeah, but I do

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Speaker 2: think there's a side to that. Like you said, there's.

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Speaker 4: There's always sides, there's always and there definitely feels like

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Speaker 4: there's two sides to this story. And I don't think

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Speaker 4: he was just like ousted out of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: I do feel bad though, for the wife because Nicola.

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Speaker 2: Because it's like the Megan Markle situation, because when one

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Speaker 2: Meghan came in, it was everyone blamed Meghan for the

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Speaker 2: riff between the royal family taking Harry away from William,

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Speaker 2: you know. But at the same time in the book,

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Speaker 2: like he was complaining that he didn't have the big

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Speaker 2: window view in this and it's like that's where it

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Speaker 2: becomes like, Okay, you guys just have so much money

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Speaker 2: that you're not complaining because you don't have the big

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Speaker 2: window view.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's like Jolie has the bigger room because she's the oldest. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and she gets the bigger room and she's the girl,

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Speaker 2: you know, like that's just she's got the bigger closet,

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Speaker 2: she's got the sweet little window view. That's just you

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Speaker 2: know what it is. So, you know, I think that

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Speaker 2: when it comes to the sibling aspects of well you

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Speaker 2: got this, you got that, now you guys are just

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Speaker 2: sounding yeah.

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Speaker 2: And but back to Nicola though, it's I feel bad

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Speaker 4: That's kind of what I feel like, it feels like

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Speaker 2: Here, right, So I could I could see that on

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Speaker 3: So there's also worked like that's the part where I

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Speaker 3: many elements that I'm going, Okay, dude, you could be

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Speaker 4: Even sorry, going back to what you were saying about

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Speaker 1: Say the name all the time.

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Speaker 3: So that's my point.

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Speaker 2: So this is what I was gonna say to you guys,

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Speaker 2: But there I keep thinking back to it goes, going

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Speaker 5: Yeah, kids were fighting, like just their kids or your

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Speaker 5: And listen, I can't imagine growing up in a Beckham household.

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Speaker 2: I really can't. I can't imagine the paparazzi. I cannot

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Speaker 2: But I'm thinking in my head, those kids, those people

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Speaker 3: At the same time, I don't think it's an act.

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Speaker 3: It's either about just understanding that you represent more than

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Speaker 2: Because people's noticed her, She's like, oh I knew that

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Speaker 4: But when you're out in public as they get older,

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Speaker 4: You make sure that people. That's what I always like.

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Speaker 4: You are nice either way, and you don't cause a

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Speaker 4: Like you're in a small town, everyone knows who you are.

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Speaker 4: I don't think you did anything wrong. I don't think

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Speaker 4: And but also I'm kind of like, you know what,

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Speaker 4: I you know, I do. I have that expectations on

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Speaker 2: Well, and we were like at Flower Child the other night,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: I don't throw the stuff on the floor. We pick

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Speaker 4: I think it'll be fine for her. I think it'll

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Speaker 2: But imagine being a Beckham but I can't. So it's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: But then I go back to the part where I'm like, oh, dude,

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Speaker 2: of course they're gonna they don't want smear campaigns.

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Speaker 3: Right. Of course they're going to go to the Nobody

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Speaker 1: Right, nobody does.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: That's why it's like, I see both sides of this.

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Speaker 4: I think both things can be true at the same time.

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Speaker 4: I think that they could have treated him unfairly and

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Speaker 4: done things, and she could have danced and she could

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Speaker 3: Bare danced when she was performing for the Spice Girls.

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Speaker 4: So let's see if somebody can find the video and

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Speaker 4: did she actually do this? You know, were people really

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Speaker 4: the same. And you know, to take the name, I

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Speaker 4: get that, I see both sides. That would be hurtful,

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Speaker 2: Knowing that I respect this enough for you not to

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Speaker 3: But but then also people said prenups all the time too,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but taking a name feels real different. Well maybe

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Speaker 3: Also, maybe she's the craziest, like a mom, like we

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Speaker 2: You know, do you think it has to do anything

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Speaker 1: I don't know how. I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: To me, it sounds like, again, we all have a

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Speaker 4: more like control, just.

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Speaker 3: Maybe control that we probably respectfully won't understand.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm not saying she doesn't like her. But if

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Speaker 2: That would be really hard to Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then maybe there's a you know, part of that.

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Speaker 3: But also I would love my son more. Agreed.

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Speaker 1: You gotta suck it up, Buttercup.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I wouldn't want to lose my son over and

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Speaker 3: No, I might dance with the inner really just kidding.

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Speaker 4: I really want to see this video now, lap dance,

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Speaker 4: just like it's probably just funny.

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Speaker 1: She was probably never.

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Speaker 2: Going to see a video I see it is like

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Speaker 2: one of like my aunt's friends, like.

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Speaker 1: And everybody's like, what, yeah, there's one drunk.

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Speaker 3: Aunt everywhere, so what if it is drunk?

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Speaker 4: Just wanted to know because then in my mind it

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Speaker 3: There's so much paperwork in NDA signed. No one's going

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