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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello friends.

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Speaker 1: This week we are joined by a guest who I

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Speaker 1: am such an unabashed fan of. I'm so excited that

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Speaker 1: he's here. We have friends in common who've told me

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Speaker 1: I'd love him for so long that I knew today

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Speaker 1: was going to be fun, and it was still better

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Speaker 1: than I could have imagined. You might know him from

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Speaker 1: his hit show Somebody Feed Phil. You might know him

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Speaker 1: as the creator and writer and visionary behind Everybody Loves Raymond.

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Speaker 1: You might know him as the author of You're Lucky

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Speaker 1: or Funny How Life Becomes a Sitcom? And you might

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Speaker 1: know him as Murray the Dog's Dad on Instagram. However

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Speaker 1: you know him, you know Phil Rosenthal is hilarious, has

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Speaker 1: great taste in food, and perhaps even better taste in friends. Today,

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Speaker 1: he's here to talk about how he managed to turn

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Speaker 1: his love of meeting people and breaking bread into a

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Speaker 1: hit series on Netflix where he gets to travel the

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Speaker 1: world and do just that city to city, country to country.

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Speaker 1: And we're also going to talk about something he's doing

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Speaker 1: that really has captured my excitement. He's written a book

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Speaker 1: with his daughter Lily called Just Try It. About a

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Speaker 1: food loving dad encouraging his picky eater daughter to just

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Speaker 1: try something new, and as I'm sure you would have

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Speaker 1: guessed by now, knowing that he bases just about everything

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Speaker 1: on his life and manages to turn his very specific

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Speaker 1: into our very universal. Even this book that Phil and

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Speaker 1: Lily wrote together is based on their experiences as a

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Speaker 1: dad and daughter. Let's get to it. People know you

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Speaker 1: from Somebody Feed Phil. People know you from creating one

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Speaker 1: of their favorite TV shows ever, everybody loves Raymond. People

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Speaker 1: know you from Instagram because they love to follow the

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Speaker 1: adventures of Murray the Dog. But I want to know

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Speaker 1: who you were before you became the Phil Rosenthal we

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Speaker 1: all know today. Were you like if we rewound into

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Speaker 1: your early childhood and you were like you would not

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Speaker 1: six years old or eight years old? Oh come on, yes,

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Speaker 1: I would have. We would have been like, we would

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Speaker 1: have been out snacking.

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Speaker 2: Would you have been in the in like the after

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Speaker 2: school plays and things like that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, because that's why I just wanted to be funny.

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Speaker 2: I just my dad was funny. In fact, my mom

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Speaker 2: first saw him he was doing amateur night jokes in

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Speaker 2: a club in New Jersey. She was on another date.

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Speaker 1: Wait, we're in New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember the exact SKay.

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Speaker 1: My family comes from Tack, which is why I'm asking.

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Speaker 2: Ah, eh, it might have been around there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So she was on a date with some other guy.

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Speaker 2: If you see that episode that was a tribute to

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Speaker 2: my parents, the from season six. Okay, we did, because

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Speaker 2: they both passed now. But so my brother and I

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Speaker 2: put together a tribute to them of all their greatest

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Speaker 2: hits from the show and a little bit of their

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Speaker 2: history and their story. And they got together with their

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Speaker 2: surviving friends who are in their nineties, and they told

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Speaker 2: me the story for the first time. I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: This is how they met. Sure's all. They go to

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Speaker 2: it's amateur night and people are getting up and either

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Speaker 2: playing the trumpet or do it. And my dad got

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Speaker 2: up and told some jokes. He was a tailor, okay,

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Speaker 1: But unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to tell jokes, so we did. And I

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Speaker 2: always said, if he's not funny on that night, I'm

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Speaker 1: So funny is literally in your DNA. Okay, So you

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Speaker 1: come from this great meet cute? Hey, yeah, who are

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Speaker 1: you as a kid? Where do you grow up?

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Speaker 2: Up?

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Speaker 1: Were you into food? And were you funny?

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Speaker 2: Then?

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Speaker 1: Were you tell me who you were when you were

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Speaker 2: So that was me, really small, really skinny, jealous of

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Speaker 2: It's such a cliche, like I used funny as a defense.

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Speaker 2: And because my dad was funny. My mom was actually

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Speaker 2: so good? And I just if someone was funny, that

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Speaker 2: they had my heart. That was it, and that's all

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Speaker 2: as junior high. I wanted to be in the school plays.

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Speaker 2: Not because I thought of myself as a great actor,

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Speaker 2: So I wasn't a stand up comedian. I tried that once,

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Speaker 2: didn't like it. So if you've ever been in school play,

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Speaker 2: I liked it better when I was in the show. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I was very encouraged in high school to pursue this.

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Speaker 2: I was a big star in high school, and then

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Speaker 2: I went to Hofstein University. I was a big star

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Speaker 2: So I turned to writing, and that way I could

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Speaker 2: eat what I wanted. And I loved to answer your question,

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Speaker 2: I love food. I just in my parents' house. I

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Speaker 2: wasn't in an environment where that love could flourish. They

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Speaker 2: weren't cooks. They they worked. They both worked. And you know,

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Speaker 2: the cuisine in the house was cheap. Yeah, whatever we

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Speaker 2: Somebody said, we're going to steakhouse tonight. You want to

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Speaker 2: come in? Who would want to go to a steakhouse?

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Speaker 2: That's not terrible? Because I had terrible meat in my

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Speaker 1: That steak change your whole life.

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Speaker 2: And I ate like that steak. I went on and

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I think I got lucky because okay,

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Speaker 1: so not dissimilarly to your parents. My parents have a

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Speaker 1: meet cute. Yes, they lived in the same apartment building

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Speaker 1: my mom grew up. My mom's family came to the

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Speaker 1: My mom grew up in the Bronx and then eventually

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Speaker 1: you have this woman who's transplanted from Italy but who's

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Speaker 1: still handmaking pasta and you know, her own sausage and

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Speaker 1: my mom remembers a lot of the food, and so

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Speaker 1: there are things like I grew up with my grandma's

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Speaker 1: And that's that's where I come from. It's a love

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Speaker 2: Your grandmother was a great cook, and your mom watched

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Speaker 2: her and then brought in some of that. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: my grandmother was a good cook too, but my mother

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Speaker 2: it wasn't until I left that house that I had

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Speaker 2: food with what they call flavor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That's wild, isn't it. And it's it's funny too,

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Speaker 1: because you know, we all have these interesting markers of

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Speaker 1: on a show for a long time, and like you said,

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Speaker 1: you can go out and you can eat what you want.

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Speaker 1: The thing that feels like the biggest luxury to me

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Speaker 2: Oh that's great.

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Speaker 1: Like it is, just I love it so much.

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Speaker 2: That's great. I can't cook. I inherited that I can't cook.

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Speaker 2: But you'll never see a bigger fan than me of

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Speaker 2: people who can.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I even invest in restaurants because I'm not very bright,

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Speaker 2: but I love you know, said my wife and I.

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Speaker 2: We support the arts, and that's one of the arts.

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Speaker 1: To me, food is absolutely an art. We're going to

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Speaker 1: have to talk about restaurant investing. I want to learn.

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Speaker 1: I need a mentor pill. I'm signing myself up to

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Speaker 1: go to phil school.

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Speaker 2: I've done pretty well mainly because I don't care about

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Speaker 2: the money. I don't do it for the money. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I do it. Here's my one criteria. Here's my first

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Speaker 2: piece of advice. You taste of food. Yeah, do you

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Speaker 2: love it? I mean love it? You can't wait to

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Speaker 2: have this again. That's a good sign.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that should kind of be it.

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Speaker 2: That's it. I don't care about the trendiness. In fact,

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Speaker 2: the less trendy, the better. Those trends come and go.

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Speaker 2: Great food if you can maintain it. The first restaurant

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Speaker 2: I was involved in was a restaurant called Jar Jar.

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Speaker 2: No Jar is one of the great La classics now

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Speaker 2: because it's been there almost like is it twenty years

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Speaker 2: maybe more. It's fantastic. It's on Beverly and it's just

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Speaker 2: a classic American they call it American chop house, right.

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Speaker 2: And the chef has stayed there the whole time, which

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Speaker 2: is another very good sign that the chef is dedicated

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Speaker 2: and staff is you know, pretty much intact. So that's

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Speaker 2: all all I care about.

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Speaker 1: So cool. Okay, So now you're talking about investing in

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Speaker 2: It's still being done.

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Speaker 2: And we thought of something and we wrote it and

436
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 2: we sold it. Wow, like all of a sudden, all

437
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: these years of trying to make it as a character actor,

438
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: nothing's happening. All of a sudden, Off Broadway show sold

439
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 2: the screenplay. God is telling me, be a writer. Be

440
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: a writer. Yeah, now that the screenplay was never made.

441
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,239
Speaker 2: But you know, at that time, I had maybe two

442
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: hundred dollars in the bank, and we sold the screenplay

443
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 2: to HBO for seventy thousand dollars. I was now a.

444
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: Thousand air a thousand air honey.

445
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 2: I could eat whatever I wanted. So I saw me

446
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: in the play and said, if you come to Hollywood,

447
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: you will never stop working as an actor. So I

448
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 2: packed a bag and I moved to Hollywood, and I

449
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: never started working as an actor. But I did start

450
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: working as a writer right away. Right away. Wow, my

451
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 2: friend and I wrote a spec script, a spec Roseanne.

452
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: We write him out. I said, what if John Goodman?

453
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 2: They need extra money? So he gets a job at

454
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 2: night working as a guard at the museum and he

455
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 2: falls asleep on a three hundred year old bed.

456
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: Incredible.

457
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 2: And people around town read that and said, what an imagination.

458
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: Just pulled from your life.

459
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: Yes. And then five years after working on various different

460
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: terrible sitcoms, I met Ray Ramondo.

461
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 1: And when you guys met, did you have just that

462
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: instant kind of friend chemistry where you went, oh, we're

463
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: going to do this.

464
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 2: No. I liked that he was from Queen's and I

465
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 2: was from Queen's.

466
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: Wow.

467
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 2: I liked how he talked. I thought he was funny.

468
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: I had seen him on David Letterman, and from that

469
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 2: one six minute appearance on David Letterman show, David Letterman

470
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: said there should be a show for that guy. So

471
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: they set about looking for writers to create the show

472
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 2: for him. That's how it works, And so I took

473
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: the meeting. I don't think I was his first choice,

474
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: even I think he wanted someone from Friends, and I

475
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: don't blame him because Friends was a big hit.

476
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you weren't trying to make New York like

477
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: Os Vegas. You were trying to make a city all

478
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: its own. Thank god, you guys wound up with each other.

479
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: I think, But thank god. Right when you look back on.

480
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: That now, thinking about, you know, from your meeting and

481
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: then beginning to create this show together, it's such a

482
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: big life. Do you have favorite memories that jump out

483
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: at you right away when you think about doing the show.

484
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: He was very wary of the business of the of

485
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: being on TV, of acting, even you know, we now

486
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 2: know him as a great actor. Yeah, he's in Scort

487
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 2: Sasey movies. He made his own movie. He did did

488
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: something called Somewhere in Queens that you should see on Hulu.

489
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: Everybody he wrote, directed, produced and stars it.

490
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: Oh cool.

491
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: I couldn't be proud of him. It's a fantastic movie.

492
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: But when he was starting, he was very wary, especially

493
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: of me, coming from, you know, having worked on sitcoms. Yeah,

494
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: and he didn't want to do a kind of bad sitcom.

495
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: I'd blame him. I didn't trust me either, So it

496
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 2: was rough at the beginning. As we're trying to feel

497
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: each other out. We don't even know we know what

498
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: the story of the show will be, but we don't

499
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: know the tone exactly, and you have to find that

500
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 2: and the only way to find that is by doing it. Yeah, right,

501
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: you find the tone. Like I'm sure when you started

502
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: your show it wasn't bang. This is the best it's

503
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: ever going to get. Hopefully it's good enough to get

504
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: on and then it grows in quality. So that's what

505
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: we think happened. And we had you know, I think

506
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 2: we picked a great cast and we picked great writers

507
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: to help us, and that was that was how so

508
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: favorite memories are Like the first time we got maybe

509
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: it was the third episode that we filmed. The audience

510
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: that's coming is maybe people from nursing homes and prisons

511
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: because they don't know the show yet. So they're literally

512
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: grabbing warm bodies off the street to come please watch

513
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: our sitcom taping, right, and they don't know the show.

514
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 2: It hasn't been on TV yet. This is something that

515
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: they're watching. But we got to laugh a very big

516
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: laugh during that third taping that was so big that

517
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: went beyond it was a character laugh. It wasn't just

518
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: they said a funny word. It was they understood a

519
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 2: relationship between husband and wife and they related. And I

520
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: looked at the other writers at that moment, I said,

521
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: we're all going to be millionaires.

522
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

523
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: I didn't really mean it, but I just thought, this

524
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 2: is the I knew enough that that is the secret sauce.

525
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 2: That's what you need, is that relatability? Yeah, and now

526
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: we knew what to shoot for.

527
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: That's so cool. Yeah, and you just kept going yeah.

528
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 2: And then you know when you're recognized, if you're up

529
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: for awards or win awards, those evenings are very special,

530
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: not just because of the wind, but because you're sharing

531
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 2: the win with your friends. My best friends, and we're

532
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: still best friends. Ray and I. We go on vacation

533
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 2: together every year with our families that have grown up.

534
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: The kid's been little and now they're getting married.

535
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so special. Is it true that he helped

536
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: inspire somebody feed film?

537
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely? In between season one and two, I asked him

538
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: where he was going to go on his hiatus and

539
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: he said, I go to the Jersey Shore. And I

540
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: said that's nice. Have you ever been to Europe? You said, nah,

541
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: Now I'd been to Europe since I was, you know,

542
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: been going since I was twenty three. I got a

543
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: free flight to Europe when I was twenty three, a

544
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: currier flight who yeah, a DHL. Used to before they

545
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: would DHL, they would send their cargo as your excess baggage,

546
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: so you would be a kid. All you had to

547
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: do is bring the luggage tags and there'd be a

548
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: guy at the other end, let's say in Zurich with

549
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: as sign saying DHL. You get them the luggage tags,

550
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: you're free to go. They don't pay you, but you

551
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: get a coach seat on an airline that's going overseas,

552
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: and you could even have your friend get the flight

553
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: the day before on that route, meet up, have two

554
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: weeks to come back, do the same thing on the

555
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: way back.

556
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: Amazing.

557
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: So that was amazing. I don't know if that exists anymore.

558
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 2: Maybe if you if you're a drug courier.

559
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: Maybe I was going to say, probably not new with

560
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: that whole like did you pack these bags yourself?

561
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: Right? Right? Probably not? So that that was my way

562
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: in and since then I was like, oh I realized

563
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: right away twenty three years old. First of all, oh

564
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: my god, the food. Second of all, this is what

565
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: your money's for. This is what you're excess money is for.

566
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: For travel, not to buy crap that you don't need. Yeah,

567
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: for these experiences. Have you traveled a lot? I have.

568
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: I've been really lucky. I similarly to you, I got

569
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: the bug early and yeah, because you know, I had

570
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: the sort of golden handcuff situation of being on a

571
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: show from the time that I was twenty one to thirty.

572
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: I could never really go anywhere for an extended period

573
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: of time because I was always working. But I started

574
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: to figure out how to navigate, like, oh, if I

575
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: have a Friday off, I can go to this city

576
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: and visit this restaurant. Oh if I you know. A

577
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: couple of seasons into our show being on, I think

578
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: it was like season five, we all put our foot

579
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: down and said, this Thursday Friday off for Thanksgiving is impossible.

580
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is not a holiday. It's like you jump into family.

581
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: It's crazy, you're cooking, it's stressful, you got to come

582
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: back on Sunday. We said, let's just start three days

583
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: earlier in July, and then we'll do the Monday, Tuesday,

584
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: Wednesday also off, so people get a Saturday to the

585
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: following Sunday with their families and you can actually see

586
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: your family because you know, you're on set one hundred

587
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: hours a week. And then I was like, my family,

588
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: I love you, I'm traveling. So I went to Barcelona,

589
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: I went to Iceland. I would take that week and

590
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: go somewhere because I'd really never been able to go

591
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: anywhere before, and it really started to change my life.

592
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: It does change your life. Yeah, that's the whole message. Yeah,

593
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 2: you know, I tell everybody it's very good for you

594
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: to go because if you're nice, we should That's what

595
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: we should be exporting is nice, and what you get

596
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 2: back is invaluable. This new perspective, yeah, on life that

597
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: you take with you.

598
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: And you realize people everywhere are mostly the same. That's right,

599
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: We're mostly the same. We mostly just want to take

600
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: care of our families and have a good meal and

601
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: have somebody make up laugh.

602
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: And it's pretty amazing, great and nice and incredibly nice,

603
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: Like you can't believe how nice they are a stranger,

604
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: a visitor.

605
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Well, and I like that you talk about

606
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: that philosophy and that experience when you talk about your show,

607
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: you really, you know, in reading interviews, you speak about

608
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: how the show is really about human connection.

609
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm just using food in my stupid sense

610
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: and humor to get you in so that you'll get

611
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: the real message.

612
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: And I think for me especially, you know, my mom's

613
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: family being Italian and then I'm this whole mixed bag

614
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: of like Italian Catholics, Jews and atheists from Canada and

615
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: my family, it's like it's a wild ride and we

616
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: have a lot of very traditional food, which I love,

617
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: and culturally, for me, the experiences have always been about

618
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: breaking bread together and then you know, these these other

619
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: cultures I've been lucky enough to study in the places

620
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: in the world I've been able to travel. You know,

621
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: whether it's sitting down for traditional food with people in Turkey,

622
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: or you know, breaking Ramadan with my Muslim friends or

623
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: whatever whatever, wherever you come from. The gathering around a

624
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: table and walking people through your food and introducing people

625
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 1: to where your food comes from and why the dishes

626
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: are traditional. It's like, it's just one of my favorite

627
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: things about being a person is getting to have that experience.

628
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: Yes, that's great, that's everything. I got to experience Ramadan

629
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: this season. Cool by how was it? Workers? Thousands of

630
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: them in the street. They laid down tarps on the street.

631
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: Everybody comes and sits cross legged on the streets the

632
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: c you hear the call to prayer all around you.

633
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: It's magical, so beautiful. That's in Dubai. You'll see gorgeous

634
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: and the people are so sweet and friendly and welcoming.

635
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: And it was great.

636
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't wait to see it on the show.

637
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: Anyway, that day, when Raymond said, he goes to the

638
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: Jersey store. He said, how about Europe. You ever been

639
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: in Europe? He goes, nah, I said why now, and

640
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: he goes, I'm not really interested in different. So they

641
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: go to Jersey and I'm like, okay, we're gonna do

642
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: that episode. He goes, what do you mean. I go,

643
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: We're going to send you over as you and you're

644
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: gonna come back as me. And we did that episode.

645
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: Took four years to get him on a plane. He

646
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: didn't want to fly, but we did it a two

647
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: parter called Italy, and it came out very well. But

648
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 2: the best thing about that is I saw the change

649
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: that I wrote in the character. I saw happen to

650
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: the person. I saw it happened to ray Ramon. I

651
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: saw like he comes running over to me. He goes, Phil,

652
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: have you had Jelato?

653
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: Incredible?

654
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: Then that got in deep know that you're doing what

655
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: you do because you like turning people onto stuff you like. Right, Yeah,

656
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 2: that's why we do things. That's my favorite thing, face this, Yeah, right.

657
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: My favorite thing is to have an interesting conversation with someone.

658
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: And I figured out how to turn it into my job.

659
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 2: That's it.

660
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: And the thing I like about it is that I

661
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: can kind of do it anywhere anytime, so I can

662
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: work it around a TV show or a movie. I

663
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: can I can meet people where they are, I can

664
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: meet people on zoom. It's just this incredible realization that

665
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: much like sharing a meal, I can just share a

666
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: conversation with someone.

667
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: Well on my podcast, which you're inviting you now, I'll

668
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: be there anytime. I hear both. Oh, it's called Naked Lunch.

669
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: Love it.

670
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: And we film it. We take it right here. This

671
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: is my son's old bedroom and he moved out because

672
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: he's because he's an adult. Table and chairs and that's

673
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: where we do the podcast. We order in lunch and

674
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: it's fun.

675
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: Amazing. Yeah, what a dream. Yeah, and now a word

676
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: from our sponsors.

677
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: After Raymond, I thought, I'm going to write sitcoms. That's

678
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,959
Speaker 2: what I'm supposed to do. Nobody wanted them. Yeah, business change,

679
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: while in those nine years everybody wanted friends. Right, well,

680
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 2: I can't write friends. It's not my sensibility. I like

681
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: the show, but it's not me. I write Everybody loves

682
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: Raymond or that kind of family thing that I identify with. Right. Yeah,

683
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: they didn't want it. They said, just try to you know,

684
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: we like you, but just do something more hip and edgy.

685
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: I said, well you got the right guy. I'm mister

686
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: hip and Edgy. And I knocked around for years. Again,

687
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: like I said, but I had this idea, this dream

688
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: of doing a food and travel show, and after ten

689
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: years of trying to sell it to everyone, I finally

690
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: walked into PBS. That was the first place that we did.

691
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 2: The show was called I'll Have what Phil's Having, and

692
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: I sold the show with one line. This is the line,

693
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 2: I'm exactly like Anthony Bourdain if he was afraid of everything.

694
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: And they understood what the show would be.

695
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: They got it.

696
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: They got it, and so I did six episodes there,

697
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: and those first six episodes did very well. We won

698
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: the James Beard Award for best show. Yeah, and then

699
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: we were canceled. Don't know why. I think money had

700
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: something to do with it. But there came this new

701
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 2: place Netflix. Wow, and now you're going to see March

702
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: first season seven.

703
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: Incredible seven years. Yeah, what do you think when you

704
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: look at these seven because you know, you can look

705
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: back at these nine years of Everybody Loves Raymond and

706
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: now you're looking back at these seven years of this show.

707
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: Are there similar moments that just sing out at you

708
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: as well? That was exceptionally cool.

709
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: There's something in every episode where I never thought I

710
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: would do it, and usually it's because my brother forced

711
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: me to do it. It usually goes something like this,

712
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: You're going to jump in that cold water. No I'm not,

713
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: He says, yes you are. He said, no I'm not.

714
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: He goes, yes you are. And then I do it

715
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: and I may not enjoy it at the moment, but

716
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: I'm then glad that I did it. And that baby

717
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 2: step out of your comfort zone makes you braver next time. Yeah,

718
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: And for a lot of us, just getting off the

719
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: couch and going somewhere is that baby step out of

720
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 2: the comfort zone. And that's who the show's for. Yes,

721
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 2: the show is for if you enjoyed your trip to Venice,

722
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: you might enjoy seeing you to get right, But what

723
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: about a place you've never been? And my attitude is like,

724
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: if this puts me can go outside, maybe you can too. Yeah.

725
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: I'm not Anthony Bourdaina. I'm not brave like he was.

726
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: I'm not an adventurer like he was. I'm just a

727
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: guy who likes to be comfortable, to be honest, and

728
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: doesn't like going out of his comfort zone. But that's

729
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: where all the magic happens.

730
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: I like that though, think about it that way, a

731
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: step towards bravery. And it's not lost on me that

732
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: your brother does for you on your show, what you

733
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: were doing for Rey when you made him go to Italy.

734
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we all need that little push in the tush, right,

735
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: we just let's go, let's go move, go. You can

736
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 2: do it. Yeah. Sometimes terrible sometimes, Like in Austin, Texas,

737
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: he put me in the Formula one Ferrari around their

738
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: Formula one track. That was the worst thing that ever

739
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: happened to me. Have you ever done that terrifying fast

740
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: in a car?

741
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: Terrifying?

742
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: You did it?

743
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: I didn't do a full Formula one. I did like

744
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: a stop at a NASCAR thing, which is very similar

745
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: and fast. Did you go enough that I felt like

746
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: my eyeballs were going to come out of the back

747
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: of my skull.

748
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I went hundred eighty seven miles an hour.

749
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot.

750
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 2: You it's not pleasant at all. It's very violent. It's

751
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: not And they hit the turns at that speed, and

752
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: we see it on TV. Ites goes zoom m zoom

753
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: around the track. No, it doesn't. You hit the brakes

754
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: as you would have to going into a turn really hard,

755
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: and you're thld one side and then the other and

756
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: then back again. Foe, I'm old man.

757
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 1: It might not be for people like us. Pill people

758
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: like us want to eat food, not get beaten up

759
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: at Well, that's what.

760
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: I couldn't eat for like three days after that because

761
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: I was so like. I went from there. I went

762
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: to the pepto bismal factor.

763
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: That's a horror show for you, it is. It is okay,

764
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: So formula one aside.

765
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: Yes, some of the.

766
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: Things made perhaps like cold plunging. In hindsight, you're glad

767
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: you've done it because you knew he'd push you. Was

768
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: it nerve wracking to partner with your brother on this

769
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: show or is it part of the reason you wanted

770
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: to do The first.

771
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: Call I made was to him because he'd already been

772
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: a producer in TV shows and and I don't know

773
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: if you're gonna if you get your dream, like PBS said,

774
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: we're giving you six on the air, right.

775
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

776
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: The first person I call was him. I said, I

777
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: got this, this gig. He's really they're gonna let you

778
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: go around the world and eat what are they gonna

779
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: call this show? The lucky bastard? I said, quit your

780
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: job and come produce the show with me, and we'll

781
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: call our production company lucky bastards.

782
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: That's amazing, Yes, yes, amazing.

783
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: And now I get to travel the world with my

784
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: best friend.

785
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: That's all I never he know, well, he won't hear this, okay, Yeah.

786
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: To make sure you have to be team filled, not people.

787
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 2: I do the live tour when I go and speak,

788
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: and invariably somebody will raise their hand and where's Richard?

789
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: And I call security.

790
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: Wonderful, throw them out.

791
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: That's right, turn the.

792
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: Whole world upside down enough. He's a lucky enough bastard.

793
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: But we do have fun and we we you know,

794
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: we all I share the food, with the crew and

795
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: with him, and it's just you see it. It's it's

796
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: we understand me. Especially how lucky. How that's the I mean,

797
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: who gets to do this?

798
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: It's so cool? Where are you guys taking us? In

799
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: season seven?

800
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: Season seven, Dubai I mentioned right, we also go to Mumbai, India,

801
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: have you no?

802
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: I haven't. I'm dying to go.

803
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: Amazing, absolutely amazing. Uh. They call it maximum City because

804
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: it's everything. It's if you wanted to see New York

805
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: in the seventies and this is like as one hundreds.

806
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: You can't believe. It's like the first place I went

807
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 2: in the show. You'll see it. It's like being dropped

808
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: into the middle of a giant Times Square packed with

809
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: people really hot on New Year's Eve. Wow, like that

810
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: that's the feeling, okay, And with every manner of transportation scooters,

811
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 2: tuk tuks, buses, cars, taxis, cows in the street. Yeah, insane,

812
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: and they're all friendly and nice and great, amazing. You

813
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: can't even believe how this is possible. Why there isn't

814
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: a fistfight, but there's no traffic lights. Everyone's honking, beeping, beeping,

815
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: but it's not hounk get out of my way, you know, jerk,

816
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: it's I'm here. I'm here coming in. Oh okay, you're right,

817
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 2: friendly and sweet. You see rich and poor next to

818
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: each other, you see, but you don't see the kind

819
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: of things we're seeing in LA and New York on

820
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: the streets that I did not see in Mumbai, which

821
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: I expected to see. Yes, there are people living in

822
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: housing that you can't believe, like ten shacks on the

823
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: way from the airport into the city. It's upsetting even

824
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: but I didn't see the kind of I don't know,

825
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: misery that I see in America. And there's something to

826
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: be taken from that. I know there is. It kept

827
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: me from going to Mumbai for a long time. How

828
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: am I going to have my lighthearted food and travel

829
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: show in such a place with such poverty? How do

830
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: you square that? And then I realized, I guess I

831
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: do what I always try to do, which is try

832
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: to leave the place a tiny bit better than you

833
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: found it. So we focus on at least one one

834
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 2: or two charities per episode so that you see and

835
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: maybe even get ideas of how you can give or

836
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: start something here. Yeah, right, and then you're fun.

837
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that you try to remind

838
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: people that there is always something to do. Yes, always,

839
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: you know, people will ask me, when the world's on fire,

840
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: how do you also have joy? Especially because I do

841
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: a lot. I try to do as much as I can,

842
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: you know, political advocacy and volunteer work and fundraising, and

843
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: I come back all the time. I've talked about it

844
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: on this show before. There's a I don't know if

845
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: you're a poetry fan, but there's a poet called Jack Gilbert.

846
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and he wrote this poem called A Brief

847
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: for the Defense, Okay, And the whole thesis of the

848
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: piece is that there is always suffering somewhere, right when

849
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: there's a group of people laughing in one city there's

850
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: a group of people wailing in grief in another, and

851
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: that this is the way of the world and it'll

852
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: break your heart. But what it cannot do is make

853
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: you abandoned delight, because if you are experiencing delight, you

854
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: better experience it to the fullness of your being, because

855
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: how dare you not knowing how many people are suffering

856
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: and that you could be the one suffering next, Like,

857
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: when you have delight, you gotta take it. And if

858
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: you can turn your delight into a way to channel

859
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: resources toward others at the same time. Yeah, what a

860
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: gift like you can highlight charities on a show about food.

861
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: What an amazing thing you get to do, and you

862
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: better enjoy it for as many episodes as you get

863
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: to do it.

864
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: Nobody enjoys it more than me. I realize that that's

865
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: maybe the meaning of life at my old age. This

866
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 2: is what I've learned.

867
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: Say more about that.

868
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: It's a one way street. Right, Let's assum for a

869
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: minute that maybe there's no heaven, maybe this is all

870
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 2: there is, and then if there's heaven, we'll be delightfully surprised.

871
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: Some of us may be going the other way. But

872
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: let's assume why not live life as if this is

873
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: all there is? Because for all we know, it may be.

874
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: So do we want to be happy or saying? Do

875
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: we want to be joyful or terrible? And most people

876
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: in the world that I meet, which makes me more joyful,

877
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: most people are nice. Yeah, you know stuff that we

878
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 2: see on the news. Of course it's depressing, and of

879
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: course I get upset and angry even and frustrated at

880
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: the injustices and the terribleness. But we have to realize

881
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: that it's on the news because it's out of the ordinary.

882
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: Not everybody's like that. There's not horrible criminals doing terrible

883
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,959
Speaker 2: things all the time. In fact, most people are nice

884
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: and get along in the world. I even say this

885
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: as a generality. Most people are so much better than

886
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: their governments. Yes, they, like you said, we do all

887
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: want the same thing, a happy, healthy life for us

888
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 2: and our kids. Right, good schools, good food, clean air

889
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: and water. Right, we all want that, and that's how

890
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: most of us live in the world. You've seen it.

891
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: If you trap, you've seen it, and there are ideas

892
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: to be taken from other countries who seem to have

893
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 2: the answers. Have you been to Japan?

894
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, once in my teens. I'd really like to go

895
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: back as an adult.

896
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 2: So we go to Kyoto in this season, and Kyoto

897
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: is one of the most gorgeous places I've ever been

898
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: in my life. I can't believe how spectacular beautiful it is. Now.

899
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: Monica got to come with me, my wife got to

900
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: come with me, and it was like a second honeymoon

901
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: being there. So it was the only Japanese city that

902
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: wasn't bombed during World War two and so it has

903
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: over two thousand ancient temples and shrines in the city,

904
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: right that are like a thousand years old. Yeah, you

905
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: will love it. And of course the food and just

906
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: the way of their esthetic, their way of being. You know.

907
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: My line is that you go to the drug store

908
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: and you buy a pack of gum and they wrap

909
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 2: it for you as if it's for your one hundredth birthday.

910
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: That's the care and attention to detail and kind of

911
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: serene beauty that permeates every aspect of life, it seems

912
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: there and you try to get some of that in

913
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: your life.

914
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: Right, Well, it reminds you much like that idea of

915
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 1: what you were sharing a moment ago. You can choose

916
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: to cling to the joy in every day. You can

917
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: choose to see it every day.

918
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: It is a choice.

919
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know you can. You can wrap a

920
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: pack of gum if you want to. You can make

921
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: anything beautiful.

922
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: That's right. I got to show you one thing. Can

923
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: you see that? Do you know what that is? Can

924
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: you see that?

925
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: What is that? It looks like an apple, but I

926
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: can tell it's made of paper or maybe it's candy.

927
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: It's something wrapped in cloth. That's a cloth wrapping.

928
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: Oh, it looks like a green apple to me on

929
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: the zoom scull.

930
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 2: That's right, it does. Yeah. That is the extra roll

931
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: of toilet paper in the hotel, built on a shelf

932
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: designed just for that purpose. It's so grateful. Wow, isn't

933
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: that great?

934
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 1: So cool?

935
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 2: That's just an idea of how it is in Kyoto.

936
00:50:55,080 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 2: You won't believe. Whoa, that's an ice cream cone. That's

937
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: an ice cream cone. All of that is edible.

938
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: Beautiful.

939
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: Isn't that gorgeous? And the ice cream store is a

940
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 2: combination ice cream store and florist. Wow, so there's something

941
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: is your edible flower ice cream cone?

942
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: So beautiful?

943
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? How do you not like transform by magic like that? Right? Yeah?

944
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: So special? You see the care and detail and then

945
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 2: it's delicious too. Mm hmm uh So what did I say? Kyoto, Mumbai, Dubai, Taipei.

946
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: Have you been a Taipei Best street food in the world.

947
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: I gotta go a lot of the Chinese food that

948
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: we have in La, especially in the San Gabriel Valley.

949
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: You can find a lot of Taiwanese.

950
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible food in the valley.

951
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Iceland, you mentioned you had been, we go there.

952
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: I love it spectacular. Did you see the northern lights?

953
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: I did.

954
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: I've been a times, a couple of times.

955
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved Iceland so much. I've now been three times.

956
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: I just think it's magic.

957
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: Wow. We were there when the volcano was starting to

958
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: go off. No, yeah, not the giant eruption, but you saw,

959
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 2: we saw the fire. We saw it stuff. It was awesome.

960
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, spectacul Isn't it wild when something like that happens

961
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: and you go, oh, I forgot that We're just these

962
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: tiny little people on a planet.

963
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 2: Yes, So enjoy every second because you never know when

964
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 2: the volcano is going to come up underneath you.

965
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: There it is?

966
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: It is it?

967
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: Is it that spirit of joy you think because it

968
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: I mean it just it seeps out of you. Phil,

969
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: It's who you are. Is that something that when you

970
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: think about ways you want to grab it, harness it,

971
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: what you want to do with it? Is that what

972
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: inspired you to write a children's book with your daughter?

973
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: As if you're not doing enough cool things? You've written

974
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: a children's book. Can you walk us through it and

975
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: tell us what it's about? I mean, friends, you know

976
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: how I geek out on great children's books, and this

977
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: one is so special. I need to know how you

978
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: guys decided to do it this year.

979
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 2: What happened. I have a very smart, beautiful daughter named

980
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: Lily who's twenty six now, and she texts me one

981
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: day she found the text from two years ago. Dad,

982
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: you should write a children's book about how you eat

983
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: everything and you had a little girl who wouldn't eat anything.

984
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: And I said, that's a great idea, Lily, I'll do

985
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: it with you, and she said you will, I said,

986
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 2: of course. And we wrote it together and we found

987
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: a great illustrator and it's called just Try It about

988
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: a dat who eats everything in this little girl who

989
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: won't eat anything.

990
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: It's so sweet.

991
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: Oh.

992
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: Thanks, And we have.

993
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 2: A little tour coming up where we'll be going to

994
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: like five cities and doing bookstores and yeah, I wasn't

995
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 2: reading to the kids. Yeah, Lily's really looking forward to it. Yeah.

996
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: Oh, that's it's so fun. What a cool thing that

997
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: you get to do that with your daughter.

998
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: Every morning I wake up and feel grateful. That's I'm

999
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: sure you've heard this from other people that you've spoken to,

1000
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: that that's really the secret, and I'm sure you feel

1001
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 2: the same way. I'm grateful that I got up. Look

1002
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: at my dog is on my bed and next to

1003
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 2: me is my wife of thirty four years. Wow, life

1004
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: is good. I have a house, I have a roof

1005
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: over my home. My kids are happy, my son is

1006
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 2: getting married. My daughter has a nice boyfriend who's a chef.

1007
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: He's a great chef. I win again. So that's the

1008
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 2: base level is gratitude. Now, it doesn't mean that I

1009
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 2: don't get angry and frustrated and upset about terrible things

1010
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: that happen. No, of course I'm a person. But people

1011
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 2: say they see me on the show, you look so happy. Yeah,

1012
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 2: I'm happy doing that, right, Why wouldn't I be happy?

1013
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: Walk through? Like, here we go again in another place.

1014
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 2: I've gotta eat. No, I'm thrilled to be there. I'm

1015
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 2: thrilled to see the new place and meet the new people.

1016
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: They're always sweet to me, so I look forward to it.

1017
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: That the hardest part of doing my show is waiting

1018
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: to do the show.

1019
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: I love that if you love what you do for work,

1020
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:22,959
Speaker 1: it'll never feel like work in your life.

1021
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: Right, exactly right. Mark Twain said, make your vacation your vocation.

1022
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And now a word from our wonderful sponsors.

1023
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: That feels like a good segue into my favorite question, Phil,

1024
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: because you've nailed it, you know, from the charitable work

1025
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: you do on the show, and you know, I even

1026
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: got to read about the incredible work you did hosting

1027
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: rescued recipes, this fundraiser dinner that raised money for Holocaust remembrance.

1028
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: That's such a big, heavy cultural experience. And then you

1029
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: travel the world and you bring joy into these places

1030
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: and these populations of people, and where there is light,

1031
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: there is heaviness, and you highlight both. You highlight joy

1032
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: and culture. You sit down with people who suffer around

1033
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: the world, and you make sure you advocate for their causes,

1034
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: for their communities, for their charities, and then you figure

1035
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: out these incredible ways to turn your happiest moments into

1036
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: projects we get to share, like this book that you're

1037
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: doing with your daughter. You remind me that it is

1038
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: possible to do all of it and still carry your

1039
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: lightheartedness in everything that you do. And I wonder when

1040
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: when you think about what's next or how you want

1041
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: to continue you on this path. As you look into this,

1042
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, opening year of twenty twenty four, what feels

1043
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: like your work in progress because from the outside it

1044
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: looks like you have a lot of things figured out.

1045
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: So so if you think about a work in progress,

1046
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: are what are you still working on? What are you

1047
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: still tinkering with?

1048
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: The show has my heart And because it's not a

1049
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 2: year round gig, you know, we can film the season

1050
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 2: in three months. What do I do the rest of them? Wow? Right?

1051
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: Okay?

1052
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: Because it's usually you know, five six episodes, right, and yeah,

1053
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 2: sometimes the order is for ten episodes. This order that's

1054
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: coming up season seven is eight episodes, but one season, right,

1055
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: so that's before it would be ten episodes seasons five

1056
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: and six, right, so this is eight episodes, so actually

1057
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: two episodes less, just eight episodes at once. Okay, fine,

1058
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: but now I have to wait to see if we're

1059
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: picked up again. You never know, just like you were saying,

1060
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: you were always on the bubble. That's how I live now. Yeah,

1061
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 2: But what do I do in the meantime? I do

1062
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 2: the children's book with Lily. I do the live tour

1063
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: where I go around and get to talk about exactly

1064
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: what we're talking about. This is the message, right, we

1065
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: sure highlight real. I'm on with a moderator for a

1066
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: little while then I open it up to audience questions,

1067
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: which is always my favorite part because I get to

1068
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: meet more great people right around the country and even

1069
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: I've done it in Europe and I just got back

1070
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: from Australia this fall. It's lovely. The best thing about

1071
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 2: the job, and I'll bet you'll agree about what you do,

1072
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 2: is meeting the people who are so sweet, right. That

1073
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: makes you feel good about the world when you meet

1074
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: so many nice people. So that's everything to me, and

1075
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: that's the project. It doesn't mean I don't have other

1076
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: ideas try to pursue. Sometimes I'll even have a sitcom

1077
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 2: idea and I'll ride it with a friend of mine

1078
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 2: or something, or a younger person who knows more about

1079
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: the world today and what. But so far, I just

1080
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have to tell you the business

1081
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Speaker 2: seems crazy right now.

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Speaker 1: It's wild out there.

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Speaker 2: It's wild out there, yes, so can we can either

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Speaker 2: worry about it or get on a plane maybe.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I love that if you're lucky enough

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Speaker 1: to be able to travel, go that's it.

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Speaker 2: And my kids kids are like, oh, well, you get

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Speaker 2: to go, you get to go fancy. I'm like, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I built my way up to fancy. No, I've earned

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Speaker 2: the right, and I'm the age where I'm going to

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Speaker 2: lie down on the flight, especially a flight that's you know,

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Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen hours.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you've earned it.

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Speaker 2: But when I was a kid, when I was in

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Speaker 2: my twenties, took the coach seat the cheapest, even when

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Speaker 2: I wasn't a courier. They had very cheap flights to

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Speaker 2: Europe at that time. They still have bargains like this.

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Speaker 2: You get the cheapest flight you can because the main

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Speaker 2: thing is to get there. And then you're in Paris

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Speaker 2: and you buy a baguette and a piece of cheese

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Speaker 2: and you sit in the park for free, and for

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Speaker 2: five bucks you're having the most delicious thing you ever

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Speaker 2: had in your life, in the most beautiful place you've

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Speaker 2: ever seen, and you're as good as anybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, And you know what, the really special

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Speaker 1: thing you learn when you've lived long enough is that

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Speaker 1: that's still the thing you want to do. You might

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Speaker 1: have earned, you know, you might be your age and

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Speaker 1: have earned a better seat on the way over there, whatever,

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Speaker 1: but you still just I still just want to get

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Speaker 1: the bag out and sit in the park, That's right.

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Speaker 1: Sit on the sand, get a cheap bottle of wine

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Speaker 1: with two friends.

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Speaker 2: Hey, they have some pretzels there, Mustard, let's go, let's

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Speaker 2: go fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the rest of it's a little bit of an illusion.

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Speaker 1: But when you get on to what really lights up

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Speaker 1: your soul. Yeah, like we said earlier, we're all the same.

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Speaker 2: I love the street food. I'd rather have a great

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Speaker 2: hot dog than a four hour French meal where my

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Speaker 2: back hurt's thinking about it, I'd rather just have the

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Speaker 2: delicious thing. Just give me the delicious thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me walk around and eat the delicious things

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Speaker 1: and meet new people. Oh, I love it. I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to come over for lunch.

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Speaker 2: Come on, where are you traveling next?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm on the East Coast this month, so I'm

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Speaker 1: stopping in at you know, all my favorite spots to eat.

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Speaker 2: In New York. And yeah, have you been to the

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Speaker 2: Industry Pizza yet?

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01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: No? I just went to Ruby Rosa last week, which

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Speaker 1: that's good.

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Speaker 2: Oh, and I want to recommend Mama's too, Okay for

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Speaker 2: the West Side one hundred and sixty Broadway, that's great,

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Speaker 2: all the way up okay, and Raza's and Jersey City great.

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Speaker 1: I'll take your whole list.

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Speaker 2: Okay, people, if you're listening, go to Phil rosenthalworld dot com.

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Speaker 2: You have all my picks from the shows.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love that. Yeah, that'll be a good resource

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Speaker 1: friends at home. We'll put that up on our Instagram

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01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: resources for this episode, so you guys have a nice

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Speaker 1: quick link. Phil. You're just a ball. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for coming on today. I just I adore you.

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Speaker 1: I knew I would because all my friends told me so,

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01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: but I'm so glad to have finally had a moment

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Speaker 1: with you.

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Speaker 2: Well, Sophia, you do not disappoint as they say. You're

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Speaker 2: lovely and great and sweet things. And we're gonna be

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Speaker 2: friends now and we're going to eat.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me