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Speaker 1: M Taking a Walk Nashville.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Sarah Harrelson, your host of Taking a Walk Nashville,

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Speaker 2: and today I'm here with Rob Tomlinson, a care manager

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Speaker 2: at the Recovery Unplugged facility in Brentwood, Tennessee, just south

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Speaker 2: of Nashville. To give everyone some background on Recovery Unplugged.

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Speaker 2: They are a national behavioral health provider that provides care

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Speaker 2: for people going through addiction, substance abuse, and other mental

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Speaker 2: health disorders, including but not limited to, depression and anxiety

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Speaker 2: and PTSD. Recovery Unplugged has seven locations nationwide, and here's

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Speaker 2: the cool thing. Their inpatient and outpatient programs utilize music

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Speaker 2: assisted treatments to promote healing and long term recovery. Join

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Speaker 2: me as I take a walk with Rob Tomlinson today.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Taking a Walk Nashville with your hosts, singer

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Speaker 1: songwriter Sarah Harrelson.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being on Taking a Walk in Nashville today.

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Speaker 3: Rob, How are you all doing good? How are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm good? Thank you?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 4: Can you just start by sharing what led you to

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Speaker 4: finding and working for Recovery Unplugged.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm in long term recovery myself. I just celebrated

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Speaker 3: thirteen years sober this past Monday. Thank you. And music

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Speaker 3: and recovery for me have always been probably two of

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Speaker 3: the most powerful forces that I've experienced in my life.

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Speaker 3: Music obviously from a young age, and then recovery as

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Speaker 3: I was an adult. Music's kind of always been like

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Speaker 3: my best friend.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: It was there for me when I felt the lonelin

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Speaker 3: loneliest and it felt it was there for me when

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Speaker 3: I've been at my highest, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: And there's just so much power in it. And with

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Speaker 3: recovery unplugged my journey there. I moved to Nashville around

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Speaker 3: seven years years ago from Philadelphia, pursuing music full time.

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Speaker 3: I worked in treatment in Philadelphia for about three years,

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Speaker 3: and this was before the fetanyl and pandemic that came out,

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Speaker 3: and I was working in treatment during the fetanyl epidemic

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Speaker 3: and the amount of people that passed away from overdose.

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Speaker 3: It was very overwhelming and I said I would never

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Speaker 3: work in treatment ever again. So I pursue music full

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Speaker 3: time and moved to Nashville, got signed. Then COVID hit right,

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Speaker 3: so it was like another kind of like call it

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Speaker 3: fork in the road, you know. I was getting older,

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Speaker 3: my brother was having kids, I was turning. I think

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Speaker 3: I turned like thirty two at the time, and being

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Speaker 3: a full time musician is extremely difficult, especially if it's

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Speaker 3: a career and not just a hobby like being able

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Speaker 3: to It's essentially three full time jobs. I had a

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Speaker 3: really good friend of mine asked me, you know, when

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Speaker 3: were you the happiest, And my response was one, I

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Speaker 3: work in treatment because I would work I would do

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Speaker 3: like music therapy based groups. I would do, you know,

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Speaker 3: like I'd bring in like a lot of music into

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Speaker 3: the facility. When I worked in Philly and I saw

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Speaker 3: that Recovery Unplug was hiring, but they were hiring for

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Speaker 3: like entry level position, like as like a tech like

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Speaker 3: making like very little money. And I had, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I had multiple years experience working in treatment, but that's

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Speaker 3: all they were hiring for. But I believe so strongly

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Speaker 3: in Recovery on Plug's mission and who they are and

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Speaker 3: what they stood for, that I was like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: Like it's going to work out. Within within a year,

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Speaker 3: I was promoted to lead Alumni Coordinator, which is basically

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Speaker 3: like helping people get into treatment that have been through

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Speaker 3: recovery unplugged, like say they slip up and they need,

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Speaker 3: you know, to re enter treatment again, like I was

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Speaker 3: the guy that they would call. And I also started

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Speaker 3: taking responsibility of Sober Sessions, primarily in just Nashville, which

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Speaker 3: got promoted to campaign manager of all of Recovery Unpluggs,

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Speaker 3: so all of our locations Florida, you know, Virginia, South Carolina,

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Speaker 3: New Jersey, Texas, Nashville obviously, and my responsibility of this

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Speaker 3: past year has been our social media presence putting on

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Speaker 3: sober sessions and all of our locations, which you know,

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Speaker 3: we just got word that I don't know when this

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Speaker 3: like fifteen minutes ago that Anthony Green of Circus Survive

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Speaker 3: and just to show that you can have fun sober

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Speaker 4: So, how long has the Nashville facility been around and

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Speaker 4: who started Recovery Unplugged in general?

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Speaker 3: So the Nashville Facility's been around for a little over

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Speaker 3: I would say, like, don't fact check me on this,

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Speaker 3: but like around seven years okay. Recovery Unplugged was started

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Speaker 3: by this guy named Richie Supa who is the manager

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Speaker 3: of Aerosmith and he's been creen for over twenty five

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Speaker 3: years plus. He went into facilities in Fort Lauderdale and

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Speaker 3: he called himself Recovery Unplugged. And what he would do

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Speaker 3: is he would go into facilities with a guitar and

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Speaker 3: play for the clients to all these other rehabs and

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Speaker 3: it created such a positive response through music, and he

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Speaker 3: co write Amazing by Aerosmith, Pink by Aersmith. You know.

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Speaker 3: He ended up having an investment opportunity with a couple

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Speaker 3: angle and cool concept. Richie Supa we've been around for

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Speaker 3: over thirteen years plus thirteen years later, he still plays

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Speaker 3: at the Fort Lauderdale facility every Friday for the clients.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen years later. It's called Field Good Fridays. And one

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Speaker 3: of our alumni that came through Recovery Unplugged over five

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Speaker 3: years ago. His name is Adam David. He started playing

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Speaker 3: our Field Good Fridays and literally just won the voice

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Speaker 3: this past season. So you never know, you know, you

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Speaker 3: never know who it's going to impact, You never know

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Speaker 3: how your life is going to be changed, Like even

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Speaker 3: if it's just like staying clean a day at a time,

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Speaker 3: Like the power of music and the power of recovery

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Speaker 3: is so strong. The disease of addiction is horrifying and

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Speaker 3: insidious in so many ways, but recovery is so much

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Speaker 3: stronger if it's utilized in a way way that you know,

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Speaker 3: the ripple effect that music can kind of like drives

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Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I'm a big believer that music heals

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Speaker 4: at one of your feel Good Fridays the other month,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's so important to provide music to

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Speaker 3: It is so the opposite of addiction is connection, right.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite cliches is that fear is something

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Speaker 3: like legitimate fears, is like fear of like you know,

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Speaker 3: And and therapy is incredible, don't get it, don't get

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Speaker 3: like I ran a group one time and I performed

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Speaker 3: healthily process that emotion in a group setting. That is

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Speaker 3: like what the power of live music can do. You know,

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Speaker 3: human being that I believe. It's like experience over opinions

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Speaker 3: and my experiences as a musician. Now, if that experience

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Speaker 3: daily basis, I'm doing a good job. Right. So now

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I find those stories on recovery and plugs

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Speaker 4: social media to be so impactful. So, like you said,

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Speaker 4: some of the performers at the facility are not music therapist,

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Speaker 4: But do you have music therapist or what other kind

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Speaker 4: of treatments music treatments do you have at the facility?

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Speaker 3: In Nationale in particular music therapy and having music as

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Speaker 3: want to make that like absolutely clear. Are all of

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Speaker 3: do actual music therapy, right, Like what people do say

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Speaker 3: for example, like in a hospice setting having a music

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Speaker 3: Some of the modalities of music that we do use

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Speaker 3: like recovery playlist is a good example, right, Like having

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Speaker 3: that you want played at your one year so anniversary, right,

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Speaker 3: and you play that at like fifteen days clean, sixteen

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Speaker 3: just so you know, I remember that song that I

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Speaker 3: when someone's in detox, will have four to five one

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Speaker 3: We've had therapists that have been there that have worked

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