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Speaker 3: check it out. So we'll do some clips. Jake Owen
Speaker 3: at number five, episode three eighty one, And it's kind
Speaker 3: of cool, sometimes weird, sometimes hard when it's a friend
Speaker 3: that comes in because I already know a lot of things,
Speaker 3: so it makes it weirder for me to ask questions
Speaker 3: if I already know the answer. But this one it
Speaker 3: was fun because not only is he a friend, but
Speaker 3: it got emotional when he was talking about the highlight
Speaker 3: of his career and also his sobriety and a health
Speaker 3: update after going to the hospital exhaustion. Here he is
Speaker 3: Jake Owen at number five from episode three eighty one,
Speaker 3: And you said I haven't slept on a long time.
Speaker 3: That's what I'd come to find out after going to
Speaker 3: the hospital. That's my only issue. I literally do not sleep.
Speaker 4: Anything that's happened since then.
Speaker 5: What was that about?
Speaker 6: That was about me not sleeping? Man, I just wasn't sleeping.
Speaker 6: I was losing a lot of weight. I was probably
Speaker 6: just like getting all I don't know, it's weird because
Speaker 6: I'm not really been doing anything any different since then.
Speaker 7: Sometimes you just need people to tell you're okay.
Speaker 4: Really, is that what they told you?
Speaker 5: You're okay?
Speaker 6: Yeah, everybody's like they were, Yeah, they they were Like
Speaker 6: they made me feel better than I did by just
Speaker 6: telling me things that I don't know that I needed.
Speaker 6: They were just telling me honest things, like I'd convinced
Speaker 6: myself I was, you know, dying, Like I'm going to
Speaker 6: die out here on the road. Like I'm out here,
Speaker 6: you know, doing this all the time, and I'm missing
Speaker 6: little things back home, and my family's like been affected
Speaker 6: by it, and I don't want this to be the
Speaker 6: way that life's supposed to be, Like this is what
Speaker 6: I love? Like, why is it the thing I love?
Speaker 6: It's like that song by Alan Jackson. You know everything
Speaker 6: I love I'm want to have to give up because
Speaker 6: everything I love is killing me.
Speaker 7: That's how I felt like. I felt like I was
Speaker 7: living an Alan Jackson song.
Speaker 3: So, whenever you find out that something isn't really wrong
Speaker 3: with you, does that change your perspective?
Speaker 4: Did you live a different way?
Speaker 5: Like was there?
Speaker 4: Was it lighter?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I think so. I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think Eric would tell you that. I just I think,
Speaker 6: if anything, what I found out was is kind of
Speaker 6: what Caitlin was saying earlier, like just kind of like
Speaker 6: relax a little bit and everything's gonna be okay. Like
Speaker 6: don't you can convince yourself such negative things when that's
Speaker 6: all you stress on and harp on. But when you're like, hey,
Speaker 6: nothing I worry about over the next fifteen or twenty minutes,
Speaker 6: which to personally, sometimes.
Speaker 7: To all of us, can seem like a lifetime.
Speaker 6: Whatever those next You could spend those next fifteen or
Speaker 6: twenty minutes just doing something different, being finding something else
Speaker 6: to be happy about.
Speaker 4: Do you feel like you're a happier person now than five.
Speaker 7: Years ago than five years ago? I hope?
Speaker 5: So three years ago?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I hope I'm happier today
Speaker 6: than I was yesterday.
Speaker 4: Do you feel like you are purposefully happy?
Speaker 6: I feel like I'm still figuring everything out, man, I don't.
Speaker 6: I feel like I'm still like I'm forty one, but
Speaker 6: I still feel like that twenty two three year old
Speaker 6: kid that drove here, Like I know I can do this.
Speaker 7: I'm excited to do it. Like can I you still
Speaker 7: that guy?
Speaker 3: I feel more positive I still am to me than
Speaker 3: in past years.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean because well, thankfully thanks. I don't. I'm not.
Speaker 6: I don't intentionally wake up every day and go like
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be way more positive today, which I probably should.
Speaker 7: I try to preach that.
Speaker 6: I think people listen to my music and the type
Speaker 6: of music I put out would think that, like, man,
Speaker 6: this guy's barefoot and in the sunshine all the time,
Speaker 6: and he's just like he's a dude, like and I
Speaker 6: am what I have just like everyone else. You know,
Speaker 6: things that I'm just trying to be better at. I
Speaker 6: try to learn something each day, so we talk about
Speaker 6: the masterclass stuff like I try to. I looked at
Speaker 6: Erica this morning and was like, hey, we like like
Speaker 6: we have a lot of friends, right now going through
Speaker 6: like a lot of crazy stuff. And and that's what
Speaker 6: even Tyler Hubbard not to drop his name again, said
Speaker 6: to me at lunch and he's like, how's everything with you?
Speaker 7: Man? Everything good?
Speaker 6: And I'm like, yeah, it's awesome, Like life is great, man.
Speaker 6: And I say that because just this morning I told Eric,
Speaker 6: I was like so many friends going through so much
Speaker 6: stuff right now that like we're not and life is good.
Speaker 6: And that's when you really have to like, when life
Speaker 6: is good is when you really need to be thankful
Speaker 6: for it. Then when life isn't and you're it's like
Speaker 6: when you're sick and you're you were trying to remember
Speaker 6: what it felt like to feel good. And so I
Speaker 6: feel really good right now and I want to remember
Speaker 6: what this feels like. And I want that to spread
Speaker 6: throughout my family as well and hopefully telling other people too, man,
Speaker 6: life is great.
Speaker 7: It's awesome.
Speaker 6: That also helps them because nobody wants to hear someone say, hey, man,
Speaker 6: how's everything and then you sit there and listen to
Speaker 6: them just.
Speaker 7: You know, nobody wants to hear that.
Speaker 3: More front lobe, front lobe all day, baby, let's go,
Speaker 3: that's the that's the saying stay in that front lobe.
Speaker 4: Man trademark that so the front because the front lobe does.
Speaker 6: What front lobe, from what I've learned, is where you
Speaker 6: know your majority of children really live and until they
Speaker 6: progressively you know, through experiences and things like that, you
Speaker 6: tend to live more with the way we're wired as
Speaker 6: humans in a more backlob brain front lobe being more joyful, creative, spontaneous,
Speaker 6: care free, all those which are great qualities. Rear being
Speaker 6: more protective, anxious, the things that we don't really need
Speaker 6: in our lives.
Speaker 7: So you can have the choice of where you kind
Speaker 7: of want to live.
Speaker 4: You do not have Jaco in dot com, but you
Speaker 4: have Jaco and dot net.
Speaker 7: Yes, what's the deal?
Speaker 3: What will they not sell it to? Or are they
Speaker 3: asking an insurmount of amount of money I'd rather?
Speaker 7: I don't know. I don't never really thought of it
Speaker 7: that way. I just knew it. When I couldn't get
Speaker 7: the calm, I was like, I'm cool with net. You
Speaker 7: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I'm about that Net sounds front love to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I was cool that. I never really overthought
Speaker 6: it like that. So you asked me, I don't know
Speaker 6: that I've rever you know now he goes Backlobe now
Speaker 6: Glow Viral Sounds Club, do the manager?
Speaker 7: Why do I not have jacoon dot Com?
Speaker 4: Now I got a couple more questions for you.
Speaker 3: There was a story about you in the Tennessee n
Speaker 3: because there was a restaurant and Kaitlin and were having lunch.
Speaker 3: We saw a big line coming out of a place
Speaker 3: where we re lunch. We're like, one, what's going on
Speaker 3: over there? Then we found out I was a place
Speaker 3: that was closing after I don't know how many years,
Speaker 3: and they were closing because they wanted to close, they
Speaker 3: wanted to retire, and they were doing these stories about
Speaker 3: it leading up to it. And there was a story
Speaker 3: and you weren't interview for the story. It wasn't you
Speaker 3: putting it out there, but the owner of the story.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna have you tell it, but don't, oh Man,
Speaker 3: just like literally tell it. I'm begging you to tell
Speaker 3: the story as is. The story was about you helping
Speaker 3: them out years and years ago. It never came out
Speaker 3: until she told the story. Can you tell me that story?
Speaker 7: Yeah? And I told you this.
Speaker 6: That's why I was so flattered by it. Really, And
Speaker 6: there's a great George Steinbrenner quote that I saw on
Speaker 6: the wall when I went to Yankee Stadium one time
Speaker 6: that says, like, you do good things for other people,
Speaker 6: but if someone else finds out about it, then you
Speaker 6: did it for the wrong reasons. Like you you're supposed
Speaker 6: to do good things for people because it's the thing
Speaker 6: to do, not for the people to talk about it.
Speaker 7: And so this.
Speaker 6: Particular scenario, when I moved to town, which is a
Speaker 6: great kind of segue off of what we all talked
Speaker 6: about earlier, I would go to Arnold's on Eighth Avenue
Speaker 6: because it kind of felt like home to me, Like
Speaker 6: my mom always made like home cooking, and I grew
Speaker 6: up that way down home, down South with my grandmam,
Speaker 6: my granddad. My nanny was a good cook still is.
Speaker 6: And so I'd go in there and have like raire
Speaker 6: roast beef and mashed potatoes and gravy and whatever. And
Speaker 6: I got to know the people that owned Arnold's, which
Speaker 6: has been there since I think the fifties, and everybody
Speaker 6: from Dolly Parton to Charlie, you know, John Prime, all
Speaker 6: kinds of folks going there.
Speaker 7: And I just loved it.
Speaker 6: It's like meeting three meaning you go in there and
Speaker 6: grab your your tray and walk down the line and
Speaker 6: grab the food that you want to grab. And so
Speaker 6: I would do that. And uh, Jordan Spieth is calling me.
Speaker 6: Should I answer this?
Speaker 9: Ye?
Speaker 4: Answer it?
Speaker 7: He did this to me on an interview one time.
Speaker 4: Answer what's up?
Speaker 7: What's up?
Speaker 4: Telling with me?
Speaker 6: I am a very random I am in the middle
Speaker 6: of an interview right now, and I'm with Bobby Bones.
Speaker 6: Actually I'm doing a radio like a set a podcast.
Speaker 6: And I said, and my phone was ringing. I was
Speaker 6: gonna send it to voicemail and then a lot like
Speaker 6: the last time you were on an interview, I guess
Speaker 6: always like Jake, Oh, it's calling your phone, So I said,
Speaker 6: I had to answer. So are you just excited about
Speaker 6: our playing possibilities coming up?
Speaker 4: I'm just really excited that we're finally.
Speaker 10: Going to win the.
Speaker 4: I'm going playing together.
Speaker 7: We are, Yeah, we are. Yeah, I'm going off. I
Speaker 7: will I will, I will buzz I'll buzz you back.
Speaker 7: All right, sounds good to see it. See you buddy,
Speaker 7: he's right here. See man.
Speaker 4: Never heard of him anyway.
Speaker 6: That's so cool man, like you have like you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, Like that's cool, Like I know that
Speaker 6: he's even my partner, but like sometimes I'm like, are
Speaker 6: we really partners?
Speaker 7: We're buddies. You know, that's cool to get a call awesome.
Speaker 3: I mean I played with him because you were like, hey,
Speaker 3: you should play with him, and you call Jordan.
Speaker 4: You're like, hey, yeah, play with Bobby and I play.
Speaker 7: Awesome, dude, he's a great.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So you're you're at this restaurant.
Speaker 6: At this restaurant, uh, and I meet you know, Rose Arnold,
Speaker 6: who's who runs it, and her son's Khalil Mons, France.
Speaker 7: She has two daughters.
Speaker 6: I got to know all them for years, and Uh,
Speaker 6: one of the times I was in there visiting, Mons
Speaker 6: was going through UH had.
Speaker 7: Like some type of a brain tumor. I think it was.
Speaker 6: I had to have surgery like on his on his
Speaker 6: skull to remove this or do some sort of procedure.
Speaker 7: And they were really worried. She was worried about how
Speaker 7: they were going to fly with the pressure.
Speaker 6: And I don't know, just I have a tour bus,
Speaker 6: so I wasn't thinking or anything like just take my
Speaker 6: tour bus.
Speaker 7: I'm not on the road.
Speaker 6: Take it up there. My driver will pick you guys up. Tomorrow,
Speaker 6: take you there, bring you back whatever you need, like
Speaker 6: just say, And they did.
Speaker 4: What year was at I don't guess two.
Speaker 6: Thousand and ten maybe, I guess twenty ten probably, And
Speaker 6: they were always so sweet about it, you know, like
Speaker 6: I go in there like I always did, and like
Speaker 6: there'd be times where they would just be like, hey,
Speaker 6: we want to take care of your lunch or something
Speaker 6: like you don't have to do that, like it's not
Speaker 6: a big deal. They just always treated me like their family.
Speaker 6: And anyways, it was really flattering to think that as
Speaker 6: many people they've had come through that restaurant, as many
Speaker 6: scenarios and the types of folks that have come through there,
Speaker 6: and all the incredible stories I'm sure they have to
Speaker 6: share for what that restaurant became to people, like a
Speaker 6: second home, a place of comfort. Like to think that
Speaker 6: when I saw that article that day, like it got
Speaker 6: to me because there are times where you wonder if,
Speaker 6: like when you do good for people like theyre you
Speaker 6: don't do it, like I said, because but you do
Speaker 6: it because you hope that they remember the kind of
Speaker 6: person you are.
Speaker 7: And it just made my day.
Speaker 6: I was like, dang, like they could have talked about
Speaker 6: anything over the last fifty years of this restaurant, and
Speaker 6: she just happened to talk about me doing that for
Speaker 6: them and to me to be able to be remembered
Speaker 6: for that kind of thing. Forget everyone else knowing, because
Speaker 6: I never wanted, never cared for anyone else to know,
Speaker 6: but that it meant enough to her and their family
Speaker 6: that they remembered me like that and not like she
Speaker 6: didn't say, like this guy was a singer, you know whatever,
Speaker 6: Like it was just someone that did something for them
Speaker 6: and their family. Like that's what I that's that's my
Speaker 6: coolest story about Nashville so far, like people of what
Speaker 6: people remember me for.
Speaker 7: So that was cool, man, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: It's cool. And number four it's Dan and Shay for
Speaker 4: episode four fourteen.
Speaker 3: It's a big one because they shocked everyone on social
Speaker 3: media with the news that they almost split up. So
Speaker 3: it was nice to sit down with them and hear
Speaker 3: their sides of the story.
Speaker 4: We talked for a full hour.
Speaker 3: They shared what they did to create their healthier friendship
Speaker 3: and what they talked about in their conversation that saved
Speaker 3: the band. And remember, if you want to hear the
Speaker 3: whole thing, go back and check out episode four to
Speaker 3: fourteen with Dan and Shay here. They are my number
Speaker 3: four moment. Sometimes when I make a change in my life,
Speaker 3: it's got to be because it gets to a point
Speaker 3: that it is so drastic that I can realize it
Speaker 3: where it's oh, I'm not in a good place. I
Speaker 3: mean when I went to on site, I wasn't in
Speaker 3: a good place. So it took me to actually hit
Speaker 3: we'll call bottom. You know, my mom would go to rehab,
Speaker 3: she would hit bottom, and then she would go would
Speaker 3: you say in you guys's relationship, because you got to
Speaker 3: hit a bottom to get to actually have the desire
Speaker 3: to get out of it or to get back in it.
Speaker 7: That's a great point.
Speaker 11: If you never hit that rock bottom, you might not
Speaker 11: realize something's wrong or that you need to make a change.
Speaker 5: And I had it for you guys.
Speaker 11: I absolutely hit rock bottom. I'll you know, speak on
Speaker 11: my side of that story and you know shake and
Speaker 11: speak on his.
Speaker 7: But that date was December. It was like first week
Speaker 7: at December.
Speaker 11: Of twenty twenty one, so this was when we finished
Speaker 11: the arena tour. You know, you work your whole life
Speaker 11: to get to a place where you can sell out
Speaker 11: an arena tour we did. We put that on sale
Speaker 11: in October of twenty nineteen, you know when ten thousand
Speaker 11: Hours with Bieber came out. Put this tour up, sell
Speaker 11: out MSG We sold out Staples Center, two nights at Bridgetone,
Speaker 11: like all these bucket liss milestones. We're riding high. It's amazing,
Speaker 11: and then boom COVID happens. It's all gone, and it's like, man,
Speaker 11: what a that'll mess with your head. So we're juggling
Speaker 11: that for a couple of years. We finally get back
Speaker 11: out there. We did the tour. Shout out to our
Speaker 11: team and you know, everybody out on the road, the promoters,
Speaker 11: you know in the fans for hanging out of those tickets,
Speaker 11: like it was a tremendous success given the circumstances. But
Speaker 11: I think I was chasing a lot of the wrong things,
Speaker 11: you know, speaking to the bigger houses. Thing a little bit, comparison.
Speaker 11: We all know that comparison is the thief of all joy,
Speaker 11: and I think we all get caught up in that,
Speaker 11: especially when everything is so on display. Was social media.
Speaker 11: You know, you can look at stats, you can look
Speaker 11: at likes, Everything is just so right there for you
Speaker 11: to compare yourself to the best of the best of
Speaker 11: what somebody else is putting out. And I think I
Speaker 11: was caught up in that in a crazy way.
Speaker 7: On social media.
Speaker 11: I was, you know, being the content guy because we're
Speaker 11: too stubborn to have somebody help us with it, which
Speaker 11: we need to change that at some point. But you know,
Speaker 11: We're on the biggest tour of our lives and I'm like, well, crap,
Speaker 11: you know, we sold out last night. Let me make
Speaker 11: this video of us doing you know, We're in Tulsa
Speaker 11: at the Bok Center and I'm like, we got to
Speaker 11: get this content of us like jumping in the crowds
Speaker 11: here and that stuff's all cool.
Speaker 7: But it was like all to like let.
Speaker 11: The industry know that we're out here doing well. And
Speaker 11: I was chasing that too much and not enjoying the moment.
Speaker 11: I was like maybe looking forward too much to what
Speaker 11: was next, and I just really spiraled. It made me
Speaker 11: resent music because I wasn't doing anything that was related
Speaker 11: to music. It was like all in the name of
Speaker 11: trying to get content, and it was like I was
Speaker 11: not appreciating the fact that there were fans there singing
Speaker 11: the words back to us and that wasn't appreciating the
Speaker 11: fact that I was getting to sing with my best
Speaker 11: friend or play with our band who we grew up with.
Speaker 11: Like all these incredible, incredible moments passed me by, and December,
Speaker 11: you know, came around.
Speaker 7: Twenty twenty one.
Speaker 11: We finished the tour in Boston and I got off
Speaker 11: stage more like defeated than I had ever been. And
Speaker 11: you know how it is, It's like, it's really hard
Speaker 11: to be in this position. And I don't want to
Speaker 11: sound like I'm complaining about it, but I think that's
Speaker 11: why a lot there's a lot of mental health issues
Speaker 11: and depression in our industry, because if you're really struggling
Speaker 11: with something to the public, you feel this responsibility to
Speaker 11: be a superhero. You feel this responsibility to be unbreakable.
Speaker 11: You know, like on stage you have to be like,
Speaker 11: this is the best night of my life, when in
Speaker 11: deep down you could be like, I'm really hurting right now,
Speaker 11: you know. And this was before we knew to talk
Speaker 11: to each other, to be open about it with our fans.
Speaker 11: You know, this is a whole new chapter in an
Speaker 11: amazing era. But that moment I got off stage and
Speaker 11: I was like, I'm done. I don't know if I
Speaker 11: could ever do this again. And I didn't really say
Speaker 11: that to anyone. I think Abby kind of knew it.
Speaker 11: But she is so patient, so incredible, so encouraging with
Speaker 11: me to kind of work through these issues, you know,
Speaker 11: work on myself. And I came home from that and.
Speaker 7: I like literally laid on the couch.
Speaker 11: You know, I'm always going, always doing something, just like
Speaker 11: you man, always on the move, always grinding, and that
Speaker 11: was like the first time in a long time that
Speaker 11: I just kind of laid there for like two weeks
Speaker 11: to process everything. I was like, I might be done,
Speaker 11: I might retire whatever, moved back to my hometown, figure
Speaker 11: it out.
Speaker 5: But like I've I'm burnout.
Speaker 11: It was like the most extreme burnout I had ever felt,
Speaker 11: and I felt like I needed to get myself right
Speaker 11: first before I made any progress with Shay and our relationship,
Speaker 11: whether we were going to keep the band together or whatever.
Speaker 11: It was like I needed to get myself right on
Speaker 11: a personal level. I need to fall back in love
Speaker 11: with music. And you know, after doing a lot of
Speaker 11: soul searching, I realized that previous year I'd written four
Speaker 11: songs total, two of them were Christmas songs. Two of
Speaker 11: them were for another band, and that is the thing
Speaker 11: that brings me the most happiness and fulfillment is creating,
Speaker 11: being in the studio making music. And I wasn't making
Speaker 11: any music, and I was like, maybe I start there.
Speaker 11: So I went out on this little trip for there's
Speaker 11: a band called the band Camino good Buddies of ours
Speaker 11: killing it right now. They did a little writing retreat
Speaker 11: for their album out in Colorado. I was like, you
Speaker 11: know what, I'll head out there with the boys. It's
Speaker 11: no pressure, you know, like not writing for Dan and
Speaker 11: Shaye thing where we're saying like, okay, we've had these
Speaker 11: kind of hits, we need this thing. It's like just
Speaker 11: a little bit more free form. And if I don't
Speaker 11: get a single song out there, I'll get to go skiing.
Speaker 7: Like it'll be fun.
Speaker 11: So I did wrote a couple songs and I was like,
Speaker 11: this is fun, Like there's no pressure. We're not writing
Speaker 11: for a specific you know, Dan and Shay thing, like
Speaker 11: just making music for the sake of making music. And
Speaker 11: I came home did the same thing with a couple
Speaker 11: other buddies. I was like just trying to do it
Speaker 11: a couple of days a week, and I was like
Speaker 11: feeling so elated. I was so happy once you know,
Speaker 11: that went on for a couple months and I just
Speaker 11: got to this amazing, amazing place and I was like,
Speaker 11: you know what, I got to get myself right with Shaye.
Speaker 7: We were about to go out.
Speaker 11: On tour with Chesney, which is Stadium's bucket list tour.
Speaker 11: I mean, that's like for a support slot. That's the
Speaker 11: pinnacle of it. And we had that booked and I
Speaker 11: came to this place. I was like, I got right
Speaker 11: with myself. I owe it to myself. I owe it
Speaker 11: to Shay, and I owe it to Dan and Shae
Speaker 11: the entity to figure this out whether we end this
Speaker 11: band and we right off into the sunset, we should
Speaker 11: go enjoy playing in these football stadiums, or this could
Speaker 11: be a launching off point for the next chapter. And
Speaker 11: I was like, I got to hit Shae. We got
Speaker 11: to have this conversation tonight. So I called Shay and
Speaker 11: I was like, yeah, that's.
Speaker 5: What I was calling you.
Speaker 9: No, I mean, and I hadn't talked to him, you know,
Speaker 9: and this was a this it was kind of a conversation.
Speaker 5: I had kind.
Speaker 9: Of knew his kind I knew he you know, kind
Speaker 9: of how he felt. Of like I knew his burnout,
Speaker 9: I didn't know the extent of what was going on.
Speaker 9: But he texted me and was like, hey, man, you
Speaker 9: want to come over tonight and I was like, okay,
Speaker 9: he wants to talk about something.
Speaker 4: I thought.
Speaker 9: It was like this is going to be kind of
Speaker 9: it honestly in.
Speaker 5: My in my heart of heart.
Speaker 9: So I was like, I think that this might be
Speaker 9: the end of our band. And I was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 9: when you know, when do you want to do this?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 9: And he was like I can come over there right now.
Speaker 9: And I was like, oh, okay, he wants to talk
Speaker 9: like right now. And then I was like, I mean
Speaker 9: talk about full blown panic, you know, because all this
Speaker 9: stuff started coming up and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 9: Like I was not prepared. This was like a normal
Speaker 9: Sunday night or something, and I'm like, I'm gonna I
Speaker 9: told my wife. I was like, I'm going to meet
Speaker 9: with Dan and I and we didn't really talk about it,
Speaker 9: and we both kind of looked at each other like
Speaker 9: I think I'm going to go in my band with
Speaker 9: my best friend that I haven't been close with in
Speaker 9: several years. It was just kind of this whole understood
Speaker 9: like this, we'll deal with this when, We'll deal with
Speaker 9: the wreckage when I get back, you know. And I
Speaker 9: just remember driving over there, just like sweaty palms, be like, dude,
Speaker 9: this is this is heavy, you know. And I was
Speaker 9: like I was giving me emotional right, this is to
Speaker 9: teach you how to this is just.
Speaker 5: Paying you forgive me an example.
Speaker 9: But I was like, man, this is like the last
Speaker 9: ten years of my life is about to end, you know,
Speaker 9: and this is about we're about to you know whatever.
Speaker 9: And I get there and it was just like this,
Speaker 9: you know, what's up, dude, you know. And I remember
Speaker 9: we sat there and Dan just like starts to apologize
Speaker 9: for like the last ten years. That prompted me to
Speaker 9: apologize for stuff, and you know, that's the long and
Speaker 9: short of it. We sat there until I think I
Speaker 9: got over there, like maybe I don't know, seven thirty
Speaker 9: after I put the kids to bed, I went over there.
Speaker 5: We stayed up and talked till.
Speaker 9: Like three in the morning and just hashed through all
Speaker 9: of these things, and a lot of that was like
Speaker 9: all right, we need to really appreciate like what we've
Speaker 9: gotten to do, whether we continue to do this band.
Speaker 9: It wasn't like we were dancing around the fact that
Speaker 9: we both were kind of feeling like we don't know
Speaker 9: if we're going to do this anymore. But it was like, man,
Speaker 9: let's let's ride off into the sunset. Either way, let's
Speaker 9: Dan and Shay. Is always going to be was something
Speaker 9: that Dan said. He was like, We're always going to
Speaker 9: be a tattoo on somebody's arm, always gonna be a
Speaker 9: first dance song.
Speaker 5: And I was like, that's great.
Speaker 9: I remember, like because this was kind of after we'd
Speaker 9: had our like really heavy talk, you know, and we
Speaker 9: had kind of gotten the tears out and all that
Speaker 9: kind of stuff, and I remember like watching him like
Speaker 9: grab his phone and type in that title, you know,
Speaker 9: and I was like, that's a great title. And it
Speaker 9: was just it was just an incredible night.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 9: It's like, you know, I feel like a lot of
Speaker 9: people were are scared to say, you know, like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 9: we got together and.
Speaker 5: We cried, like just a couple of friends.
Speaker 9: That's that's pretty lame, Like no one would want to
Speaker 9: say that out loud, but like it was, man, a
Speaker 9: lot of tears were shed and a lot of stuff
Speaker 9: was really figured out, and it wasn't like we figured
Speaker 9: out all of our problems, but acknowledging that it mattered
Speaker 9: enough to both of us that we would try. And
Speaker 9: it was just after that, it was our plan of
Speaker 9: action was to all right, let's hang out three times
Speaker 9: a week, let's get together, and let's have no agenda.
Speaker 3: It's just the relationship more than what the relationship could do.
Speaker 3: Exactly was let's make sure we do the relationship.
Speaker 9: Let's be let's be friends again. Because I feel like
Speaker 9: that's something that people don't see from the outside to
Speaker 9: be very easy to be, like, yeah, we're in a band,
Speaker 9: and I feel like every duo in history, especially in
Speaker 9: country music. I mean, we've had so much devastation. You know,
Speaker 9: that is wreckage that has been left through different duos,
Speaker 9: friends of ours that have that have very publicly happened,
Speaker 9: And what you don't see is like the behind the
Speaker 9: scenes stuff that is just like their friendship is. If
Speaker 9: that gets wrecked, it's just.
Speaker 5: A matter of time.
Speaker 9: It's a ticking time bomb of you know, of your
Speaker 9: band separating because you're just going in different directions. And
Speaker 9: even though Dan and I are such different people at
Speaker 9: the core, like on every level, that's the reason that
Speaker 9: it works is because we have extreme respect.
Speaker 1: For one another.
Speaker 9: And even when your lives are kind of going like this,
Speaker 9: it's so important to kind of realign yourselves. And even though,
Speaker 9: like you know, I've got three kids at this point,
Speaker 9: Dan's got dogs, we've got our families, like we have
Speaker 9: our own responsibilities, but acknowledging like, hey man, I respect
Speaker 9: the hell out of you for what you're doing, and
Speaker 9: no matter if I believe the same thing that you
Speaker 9: believe or not, I respect what you believe. And we
Speaker 9: both have this band in common, and we have our
Speaker 9: fans in common, and I think the world needs to
Speaker 9: needs to view that too. You know. It's like we
Speaker 9: have so much you know, separation in our country and
Speaker 9: all these things, and it's like no matter. I feel
Speaker 9: like when I was growing up, that was kind of
Speaker 9: the message, like, all right, you believe this and I
Speaker 9: believe this. We're gonna scream at each other and then
Speaker 9: we're gonna go grab a beer, you know, And I
Speaker 9: feel like that's kind of been lost on the world,
Speaker 9: a little bit of the the value of a good fight,
Speaker 9: you know. That's the next video that's coming out. It's
Speaker 9: the follow up to The Drive it's called the fight.
Speaker 9: It's gonna be really good. But I feel like it was.
Speaker 9: You know, we had to learn to respect each other
Speaker 9: enough to have those hard conversations when we knew that
Speaker 9: if things are if I have a problem now, like
Speaker 9: it's even happened in like the last you know, six
Speaker 9: months or so, where we're like, okay, this is I
Speaker 9: think this is how it should be.
Speaker 5: Now I think this is how it should be.
Speaker 9: We talk it out and it's like, awesome, this way
Speaker 9: is clearly better because we both care, we want the
Speaker 9: same thing, and we learned how to like focus that
Speaker 9: stuff and really put a focus on communication, just like
Speaker 9: in any marriage would be. If you just don't talk
Speaker 9: about something, That's how us guys. Most times, I think
Speaker 9: like I fixed it.
Speaker 3: It's a issued toyeah, I don't say anything about it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I let it live, and then I just keep pushing
Speaker 3: it down. But my wife knows she has to go
Speaker 3: and get it because I will not. Yeah, and it
Speaker 3: doesn't put it her in a great place.
Speaker 4: And I don't like that.
Speaker 3: I'm like that a lot of times, but I'm and
Speaker 3: also I feel like I can fix it in my
Speaker 3: head myself, sure, totally and just like I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: fix it. I'm not even gonna tell the process, but
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come back and it's gonna be fixed. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 3: and that gets me in trouble. But you're right, it's
Speaker 3: a relationship. And you guys marriage also, your marriages to
Speaker 3: your wives, like one on one's tough.
Speaker 5: Regardless of the situation.
Speaker 12: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, and we're
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Speaker 4: I always enjoy talking to this guy.
Speaker 3: Great artist, great songwriter, cool husband, cole dad At number
Speaker 3: three it's Thomas Rhett from episode four to eleven. Now
Speaker 3: it was basically an hour long therapy session, not just
Speaker 3: for him but for both of us. We talked about
Speaker 3: how he's approaching music, and it shocked me that he
Speaker 3: hadn't been on social media in months, something I couldn't do.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've been on social media since I started
Speaker 3: doing this.
Speaker 4: Here's Thomas.
Speaker 3: I mean reading this paragraph of aready been on social media?
Speaker 3: Here's Thomas Rhett at number three. Has your thoughts and
Speaker 3: philosophy on how much music and how often to release
Speaker 3: music changed over the last three years?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, but I feel like I'm not following the
Speaker 1: trend in the way that I should.
Speaker 3: What's the trend and how do you follow it differently
Speaker 3: than the trend?
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 1: I've put a record out every other year since I
Speaker 1: was twenty one years old, you know, and I think,
Speaker 1: like the last couple of records, as proud of them
Speaker 1: as I am, I feel like there have been moments
Speaker 1: where it's been like, we just need to keep writing
Speaker 1: because we've got to keep keeping up. And then you
Speaker 1: put a record out and there might have been like
Speaker 1: a song that did a thing, but the rest of
Speaker 1: the record like wasn't really ready, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so I've been working on a new record for
Speaker 1: the last six months and I don't have a date yet,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I think for a
Speaker 1: lot of people on the team, it's kind of nerve
Speaker 1: wracking because I've always just had something in the can
Speaker 1: to be able to come with if we to. But dude,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, for the first time in my life,
Speaker 1: I'm just watching so much music come out all the time,
Speaker 1: and it's so like I can barely get to through
Speaker 1: the whole new music Friday country, much.
Speaker 5: Less night music Friday.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, maybe get Friday Country, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: I get maybe through the first ten of them, and
Speaker 1: then I'm like, man, I don't even I don't even
Speaker 1: know what's good, you know what I mean, until the
Speaker 1: world kind of tells me what is good. I'm not
Speaker 1: even sure that I know what good is anymore. And
Speaker 1: so I've had to take a big step back from
Speaker 1: even the music I've been writing, like I haven't listened
Speaker 1: to and this is rare for me, but like when
Speaker 1: I'm about to start making records, Man, I'm listening to
Speaker 1: my demos daily, like in the car, in the gym
Speaker 1: on the lake with my kids, and I haven't listened
Speaker 1: to a song of mine in two months because I
Speaker 1: have to just get so far away from it that
Speaker 1: when I come back to it for the first real time,
Speaker 1: I want to be blown away by it rather than like, gosh,
Speaker 1: I think this is the next record, but I'm sort
Speaker 1: of like already sick of it and it's coming out
Speaker 1: in three months, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I would assume that that's already the case with most people,
Speaker 3: but yet, like how you're talking about in the way
Speaker 3: that you've done it, I could see where that would
Speaker 3: be amplified if you're not putting it out like you'd
Speaker 3: probably like to do. Like you said, every week, it's
Speaker 3: something else. It's something else that you could quickly be
Speaker 3: tired of that season that you're in right then and
Speaker 3: beyondo something else. But you've already started this project and
Speaker 3: you're still, well, you created all this in that season.
Speaker 5: You can't just let it go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it would have been easy just to put
Speaker 3: it out then, for sure, So I can see where
Speaker 3: that does a creative dilemma.
Speaker 1: But I think I'm still I'm still a little bit
Speaker 1: of the old school mindset of like, if you have
Speaker 1: a good body of work, at least give it a
Speaker 1: real chance and give it a real plan, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like I feel like I'm not one
Speaker 1: of those artists that can just like chunk songs out
Speaker 1: and hope that they become famous on TikTok. Like I
Speaker 1: just don't know that I'm one of those artists that
Speaker 1: can happen to. Maybe I could have like a viral song,
Speaker 1: but like that's not how I want to release music,
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 3: Because you don't know if you're because I don't agree
Speaker 3: with what you're saying.
Speaker 5: About you. I think you don't think you should do it.
Speaker 3: But I think you're as good as anybody else putting music
Speaker 3: on TikTok. But are you Because the nature of that
Speaker 3: is you're gonna put a bunch of it that doesn't
Speaker 3: work for sure. And so is that part of it too,
Speaker 3: where you don't want to put a bunch of stuff
Speaker 3: that you know, just a numbers game. If you put
Speaker 3: out five things, three and a half or four of
Speaker 3: them is not gonna work for sure.
Speaker 1: It's weird.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't have an answer.
Speaker 12: Hank Ty, the Bobby Cast will be right back and
Speaker 12: we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3: TikTok's cool to me again for music, because it's really
Speaker 3: what I use it for now. I've used TikTok for
Speaker 3: a lot of different things through again. I'll use the
Speaker 3: word seasons where it's like funny stuff and then it's
Speaker 3: like a lot of golf videos. And but now I
Speaker 3: watch and find a lot of great music that I
Speaker 3: listen to personally. For example, so there's one girl woman,
Speaker 3: her name is Jackie Vincent. She's from Austin, and then
Speaker 3: she's a blues player and she's so good and it's rare.
Speaker 3: I'm so jaded. You're jaded too, in the way I
Speaker 3: would just get to be around great people. It's a
Speaker 3: beautiful jadedness. We see so much greatness all the time.
Speaker 3: You really got to be different to stand down.
Speaker 1: Stand out.
Speaker 3: And I like saw it and I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, like, rarely do I hear or see anything
Speaker 3: where you're just like it just feels different for sure,
Speaker 3: And so I started following her. And the cool thing
Speaker 3: about Algorithm, Well, the bad thing is they know everything
Speaker 3: you're doing, and they monitor you and big brothers watching
Speaker 3: in China's gods all that stuff that doesn't matter. But the
Speaker 3: good thing is they like, know what kind of music
Speaker 3: you like? Yeah, last night, I'm on And there used
Speaker 3: to be a group called Carmen and it was two people,
Speaker 3: Mike Dear and mccarrmen.
Speaker 4: It was the guy and the girl.
Speaker 3: Okay, so he was They were a singer and rapper
Speaker 3: and it was like the two thousands. And I saw
Speaker 3: this girl and her name was like Queen something and
Speaker 3: she's speed wrapping like bust rhymes, and I'm like, I
Speaker 3: think that's the woman from Karmen. So I went into
Speaker 3: it and it was her, but without TikTok and me
Speaker 3: just flipping through and find For sure, I just don't
Speaker 3: know if I wouldn't be completely bored with music again
Speaker 3: at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because being.
Speaker 5: So jaded by it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: If you were to get on your TikTok, what what
Speaker 3: do you see on yours? Because of what you're looking at?
Speaker 1: Can I be very honest with you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd rather not lie unless it's a really good lie.
Speaker 1: I haven't been on social media since January.
Speaker 5: Oh that's great.
Speaker 3: That's even weirder and better than what you would have said. Yeah,
Speaker 3: why because I'd rather go down that road.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was getting to a point where, I mean,
Speaker 1: it sounds super cliche to say it, but it was
Speaker 1: just taking up so much of my time, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And I was finding so much of
Speaker 1: my worth in a post. And like, especially since all
Speaker 1: the algorithm stuff changed, you started to get you started
Speaker 1: to be like man, Like I used to post videos
Speaker 1: and they'd get like a million views, no doubt, And
Speaker 1: then you start to see this thing of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: my views are starting to go down. Does that mean
Speaker 1: that I am starting to suck more? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying like, that's what that's what my brain would
Speaker 1: tell me, that's what I think. That's I think it's
Speaker 1: probably everybody creative.
Speaker 5: I think that is absolutely fair.
Speaker 1: And so you know, then you would like put songs
Speaker 1: out and then some people would think they were really cool,
Speaker 1: and then some people would just hate on them. And
Speaker 1: then you start to see all the people in our
Speaker 1: genre that the bloggers just be like, this is terror,
Speaker 1: this is trash, Thomas Repp music, this is not what
Speaker 1: he's best at, all, these kind of things, and so
Speaker 1: then you start making music out of fear. You start
Speaker 1: my produce. One of my producers named Julian said, you
Speaker 1: can't work out of hit desperation, you have to work
Speaker 1: out of hit inspiration. And I think for a while there, dude,
Speaker 1: I was working out of hit desperation because I was
Speaker 1: so terrified of what this genre would think about what
Speaker 1: I thought was cool that it got to a point
Speaker 1: where I just wanted to write what I think they
Speaker 1: think would be cool.
Speaker 5: It's a lot of predicting going on.
Speaker 1: A lot of predicting of being like, well, maybe if
Speaker 1: I write songs that sort of feel like a loop
Speaker 1: comes thing, then these people will kind of think I'm like,
Speaker 1: okay again, you know what I'm saying, And maybe if
Speaker 1: I can do some of this stuff that like Morgan
Speaker 1: is doing, then maybe this group will think that I
Speaker 1: maybe I can fit into that group. But I didn't
Speaker 1: like get here by ever fitting into a group.
Speaker 5: You actually did the opposite.
Speaker 1: I did the complete opposite, and so I started to
Speaker 1: really not be myself anymore, just kind of lamed right
Speaker 1: with honestly just vanilla straight down the middle stuff.
Speaker 3: Okay, what was the bottom for you that made you go,
Speaker 3: I got to get off. I have to because something
Speaker 3: had to happen for you to go. I got to
Speaker 3: make a change in my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it was.
Speaker 8: It was.
Speaker 1: It was around Christmas time last year. And like, I
Speaker 1: kind of go into weird places when I'm off the
Speaker 1: road because it feels like a therapy. Are all your
Speaker 1: podcasts like therapy sessions?
Speaker 5: Like hey buddy, I am who am?
Speaker 1: Okay, I go to a lot of therapy myself, maybe saying,
Speaker 1: but when I'm off the road is is a really
Speaker 1: challenging time for me because when you're on the road,
Speaker 1: you're getting three straight nights of like dopamine celebrations. Yes,
Speaker 1: love how are you yes, yes, And then you come
Speaker 1: home and I love my children and I love my wife.
Speaker 1: It is the complete opposite. It's like retractable dopamine, if
Speaker 1: that makes any sense.
Speaker 3: I mean, I will leave a stage being told I'm
Speaker 3: the funniest person in the whole world by a couple
Speaker 3: thousand people, are ah, and then my wife's like, you
Speaker 3: did not take out the trash, and she loved me
Speaker 3: more than they ever will for sure. But you're right,
Speaker 3: the dope it is not and you you just feel
Speaker 3: it's a different kind of loneliness.
Speaker 8: No doubt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, I was off the road. I've
Speaker 1: been off the road for like two or three months
Speaker 1: and just constantly in my freaking phone, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like my kids are like literally asking me
Speaker 1: questions upon question and I'm literally just I can't. I'm
Speaker 1: not even hearing them because I'm just here. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like January first, it was like one of
Speaker 1: my like New Year's you know, resolution type things that
Speaker 1: I thought would last for like two weeks because I've
Speaker 1: never really fully quit social media. And then yeah, January, man,
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't even seen an app since January.
Speaker 1: So I hired a team. I mean everything that we
Speaker 1: post is from me. It's just that I am not
Speaker 1: physically on scrolling looking at the comments doing the stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, I got a message from you to day. I
Speaker 3: sent you a much Apple gift cards because you said
Speaker 3: I needed to send you that. Oh my gosh, you
Speaker 3: were like any Apple gift cards and bitcoin.
Speaker 5: So I sent you good Yeah, yeah, so you should
Speaker 5: have that. Yeah that wasn't you. That was the son
Speaker 5: of a gun. I got scammed again.
Speaker 3: Good self awareness.
Speaker 5: I think we all know. I have a friend. You
Speaker 5: know him too.
Speaker 3: He's one of my best friends. I won't say his
Speaker 3: name here, but he locks his apps up.
Speaker 5: He has a.
Speaker 3: It's not Dirk's, but Dirk's also does this. But he
Speaker 3: goes to a flip phone at different times during the
Speaker 3: month when he's starting to feel a little anxious, and
Speaker 3: then when he's not and he's on his smartphone, there
Speaker 3: is an app.
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't care, Hey, get on it. It's Twitter. Twitter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a Twitter notification.
Speaker 4: Don't forget to me.
Speaker 3: He has an app that locks all of his social
Speaker 3: media up at like five pm, and you can't get off.
Speaker 3: You can't get on it. Nless you have the code.
Speaker 1: The only person has this code as manager gotcha, and
Speaker 1: so he is. I would like delete it off my
Speaker 1: phone every day and then just re download it.
Speaker 3: I would do that and then just then get on
Speaker 3: the internet on my computer and then do like the
Speaker 3: browser version.
Speaker 5: I'd be like, well, I'm kind of you.
Speaker 3: You know, I have a weird relationship with social media,
Speaker 3: but I think that self awareness is like, that's extremely
Speaker 3: valuable that you found that.
Speaker 5: Do you think you'll ever go back?
Speaker 1: Probably at some point in time. And I've quit a
Speaker 1: couple of things this year that I mean, I quit
Speaker 1: nicotine this year, which I have. I love nicotine so much.
Speaker 5: Never had it. What's good about it? Get me started?
Speaker 5: Like sell me on it?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I started dipping when I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, eighteen years old, Grisley Winter Green.
Speaker 1: And then when I turned like twenty eight, I started
Speaker 1: using this stuff called zen is that in the pack?
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like it's like just nicotine and mint,
Speaker 1: and like it kind of just became I'm trying to
Speaker 1: quit things that are crutches for me, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like social media was a crutch. It was
Speaker 1: the place where I went where I needed validation, but
Speaker 1: then it was the place that I hated when it
Speaker 1: didn't validate me, you know what I'm saying, polar and
Speaker 1: so nicotine was kind of like that crutch for me.
Speaker 1: It was just like when I felt nervous nicotine, when
Speaker 1: I felt weird nicotine, when I felt happy nicotine. It
Speaker 1: was like always just a thing. And so, I mean,
Speaker 1: I haven't been off of it that long, but it's
Speaker 1: been been three weeks, which is the longest ever gone.
Speaker 4: So I think I'm gonna start after that in the
Speaker 4: year of quitting nervous.
Speaker 1: That's a long time.
Speaker 2: Hang tight.
Speaker 12: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to
Speaker 12: the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3: At number two, it's one of country music's most powerful
Speaker 3: female voices, Martina McBride.
Speaker 4: I had to spend a lot of time with Martinez,
Speaker 4: so it's super cool she came by.
Speaker 3: She stopped by to talk about her career, which is
Speaker 3: over thirty years long, being inducted into the Grand Ole
Speaker 3: Opry back in the nineties, and you know the genius
Speaker 3: way she landed a record deal. Big fan, Who's not.
Speaker 3: From episode three eighty eight. Here's Martina McBride at number two.
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety three, you get inducted into the Grand O Opry.
Speaker 3: You mentioned Loretta al in earlier. She's the one who
Speaker 3: does it. What do you remember about that night?
Speaker 10: It was part of a television special. It's like an
Speaker 10: anniversary of the Opry, and Loretta's so funny.
Speaker 13: She came, she came to do.
Speaker 10: The rehearsal and they gave you. They gave me a
Speaker 10: plaque and she said, well, during rehearsal, she said, is this.
Speaker 13: What I'm supposed to give you? This is what you
Speaker 13: get for joining the Opry?
Speaker 10: And I said, yeah, I guess so, and so she
Speaker 10: said she kind of laughed, and during the ceremony she said,
Speaker 10: welcome to the Opry, honey, this is what you get.
Speaker 3: That's super cool that it was her and she's the one,
Speaker 3: like just first of all, anything with her, Yeah, but
Speaker 3: she's the one inducting you into the greatest country music
Speaker 3: space right.
Speaker 4: In the history of the world, the Grand Ole Opry.
Speaker 4: Like what a special memory.
Speaker 3: Did you know that she was going to be inducting
Speaker 3: you before like rehearsals with it, because sometimes you know,
Speaker 3: they the invite is a surprise.
Speaker 4: Was that a surprise to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 13: But they didn't do it like they did.
Speaker 4: They didn't just show up in surprise you at the performance.
Speaker 10: I went to lunch with the head of the opry
Speaker 10: and he asked me at lunch and then and then
Speaker 10: I got to I got to invite, I got to
Speaker 10: ask who I wanted to induct.
Speaker 3: Me, so I show so you chose the right now, okay,
Speaker 3: man being told at lunch by someone who an executives
Speaker 3: like being proposed on the phone.
Speaker 4: It's like, I mean, you're still getting married and that's awesome,
Speaker 4: but you didn't even get on a knee.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I don't think they did it like that back then.
Speaker 10: Now I love how they do it now where they
Speaker 10: I got to be that person for Charlie Daniels.
Speaker 13: I got to ask him to join.
Speaker 4: The opry and he didn't know you were there. You
Speaker 4: guess kept it completely secret.
Speaker 13: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: That's that's the greatest. Those videos where people are surprised.
Speaker 3: Just through that, I would say the history, because you're right,
Speaker 3: they didn't do it like that twenty five years ago.
Speaker 3: I think like twenty years Yeah, they started doing it.
Speaker 7: A little bit.
Speaker 3: But those videos where people get surprised and oh my god,
Speaker 3: they're awesome. Only second to whenever somebody from the military
Speaker 3: comes home in sur prizes are kids.
Speaker 4: I love those video and those are good too.
Speaker 3: What I don't like when they show the videos of
Speaker 3: the dogs with one eye and said on McLoughlin sings
Speaker 3: those videos, that don't like it.
Speaker 4: I like what they're doing. I just don't like those videos. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like you know what comes to me.
Speaker 3: You sign a record deal ninety one, how fast until
Speaker 3: you actually take off and have a hit from the
Speaker 3: moment you signed, until you're on the radio and you
Speaker 3: got a number one song.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it was a second record. I didn't have a
Speaker 10: number one song to the third record. Wild Angels was
Speaker 10: my first number one. Actually just happened the other day.
Speaker 10: I think it was in nineteen ninety six. So it
Speaker 10: took six five or six years to really get to
Speaker 10: that place. But I but before Wild Angels, I had
Speaker 10: Independence Day and I had my.
Speaker 3: First three Independence Day. Wasn't a number one song, No,
Speaker 3: it was number ten. Maybe again, I'm just the consumer here.
Speaker 3: The song that I would know you for the most Yeah,
Speaker 3: it wasn't even a number one song, right, that's.
Speaker 13: A whole story.
Speaker 10: Like you know, we had a lot of resistance at
Speaker 10: radio with that song because the subject matter, and I
Speaker 10: think it was really because she burned the house down,
Speaker 10: you know, it was like she was taking she took
Speaker 10: action that just didn't set very.
Speaker 13: Well with a lot of radio people.
Speaker 7: Bizarre.
Speaker 10: And so it's funny because I was so passionate about
Speaker 10: that song, like it literally changed my life, not career
Speaker 10: only career wise, but just my awareness and my you know,
Speaker 10: wanting to try to help some way, and all the
Speaker 10: letters that I got and the people that I talked.
Speaker 13: To and heard their stories and it was so big
Speaker 13: for me.
Speaker 10: And so my probone guy once again, Mike Wilson, came
Speaker 10: to me and he said, I think we're losing the song.
Speaker 13: I don't think that it's gonna make it. And I
Speaker 13: was like, what, how is this possible?
Speaker 10: And he goes, well, there's there's a you know, maybe
Speaker 10: twenty stations that won't won't refuse to play it. And
Speaker 10: I said, can I talk to them? Can you give
Speaker 10: me their numbers? And I want to have a conversation and.
Speaker 13: He was like, uh, sure, I guess, like that's not
Speaker 13: usually done, but I guess so.
Speaker 10: And so I got on the phone with these guys
Speaker 10: and I was just like, talk to me, like, tell
Speaker 10: me what is it and some of them would say,
Speaker 10: we just don't think it's appropriate that it's on our station,
Speaker 10: and I said, and oddly enough, this is right. Independence
Speaker 10: date came out maybe seven weeks before Nicole brown Sinson
Speaker 10: was murdered, so all of a sudden it was on.
Speaker 10: That story was everywhere, and so I said, you know,
Speaker 10: it's interesting because you're talking about domestic violence every day,
Speaker 10: several times a day on your newscast, right yet you
Speaker 10: don't feel like this song can can be listened to
Speaker 10: or whatever. And I turned a couple few of them around.
Speaker 10: There were ten stations that never did play it, but
Speaker 10: I was able to they would give it a chance.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 10: One guy said to me that video like, if I'm
Speaker 10: sitting with my daughter and that video comes on, then
Speaker 10: I have to talk to her and explain things. And
Speaker 10: I'm like, yeah, dude, that's maybe not a bad idea.
Speaker 13: So it was interesting. It's just a different time, you know.
Speaker 3: Is it odd when people just think that song is
Speaker 3: about fourth of July. Yeah, like on fourth of July
Speaker 3: you hear the song and it's not the same thing.
Speaker 3: I got talking about literal Independence Day of America. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because sometimes it'll be like it's your July for the playlist,
Speaker 3: oh all the every year, Yeah yeah, and Independence say
Speaker 3: comes on.
Speaker 10: I think I think that's what you were talking about earlier,
Speaker 10: how sometimes you can just sing a song for years
Speaker 10: and not really ever. You kind of just sing the
Speaker 10: chorus and you're distracted during the verses or whatever, because
Speaker 10: I think a lot of people don't know what that
Speaker 10: song is about still, but then so many people do,
Speaker 10: and that's you know, that's the song that I've heard
Speaker 10: and thought to myself, somebody needs to hear this song.
Speaker 13: This is going to be the song for somebody.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 10: And you know then I get letters people saying that's
Speaker 10: what I got in the car and I heard that
Speaker 10: song on the radio, and that's I decided I'm out
Speaker 10: of here.
Speaker 13: I've had enough, right, So it's like, that's the power.
Speaker 13: That's not me. That's the power of music and the
Speaker 13: power of a song.
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Speaker 3: Three questions for you when you finally win for Female
Speaker 3: Vocalist Because you grew up a couple of times in
Speaker 3: like the late nineties, but in like maybe two thousand
Speaker 3: and three or so, I think you won the first
Speaker 3: time three in a row. By the way, it was
Speaker 3: like bam bam bam.
Speaker 13: Yeah it was nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 4: Is that you won a ninety nine?
Speaker 3: Okay, so the first time you win and you'd always
Speaker 3: been able to envision yourself winning, did you have that
Speaker 3: moment while it was happening where you're like, I've always
Speaker 3: like it while it was happening, Like I always could
Speaker 3: see this and now it's actually happening.
Speaker 10: Yeah, kind of yeah, it was like not an out
Speaker 10: of body experience, but like it's so okay, I want
Speaker 10: to say this and not have it come off as
Speaker 10: in a conceited way because I'm not, but and it's
Speaker 10: not where it's coming from.
Speaker 13: But like, like it goes back to what I was
Speaker 13: saying before. You kind of have to believe it.
Speaker 10: You kind of have to believe it otherwise all of
Speaker 10: the rejection and the and the being away from home,
Speaker 10: the traveling and the recording and all the stuff that
Speaker 10: you do is you know, you have to believe it.
Speaker 13: It's going to pay off in.
Speaker 10: That moment as as in that moment, so you know,
Speaker 10: there was a I don't know, maybe it might have
Speaker 10: been even four or five years we were nominated and
Speaker 10: didn't win, and and you just go, what's going to happen.
Speaker 13: It's going to happen.
Speaker 3: So you still believed it was going to happen. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: when you got that close.
Speaker 10: And didn't, Yeah, because it was too maybe premature, Like
Speaker 10: I feel like we One thing I'm really that was
Speaker 10: a good feeling for me was when we finally won.
Speaker 10: I felt like we'd been around long enough to kind
Speaker 10: of deserve it in a way. And my team, you know,
Speaker 10: everybody that worked so hard, they it was rewarding. It
Speaker 10: was just kind of like, I'm so glad it didn't
Speaker 10: happen too fast. I'm so glad I feel like I'm
Speaker 10: kind of in this industry and that people really wanted
Speaker 10: me to win.
Speaker 13: Maybe so, but yeah, there's that moment where you go, well,
Speaker 13: this is it.
Speaker 3: You know, the first times that you didn't win, are
Speaker 3: you like listening for and it is a deflat or
Speaker 3: is it? Do you really feel anytime I ever lose,
Speaker 3: I'm not honored to be there? Right, I'm like this sucked?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Or are you honored just to be there and You're like,
Speaker 4: I'll get him next time, Like what Like, yeah.
Speaker 13: I was kind of like that.
Speaker 10: I was really because I would look at the category
Speaker 10: and the other females in the category, and I was
Speaker 10: just like wow, Wow, like it's so amazing that I'm
Speaker 10: even in the same.
Speaker 13: Like these people even know.
Speaker 10: I remember when I walked past Alan Jackson one time
Speaker 10: at an award show, probably the first TMA Awards I
Speaker 10: went to, and he's in the front row and I
Speaker 10: walked by him and kind of, you know, I was
Speaker 10: I'm not I'm kind of an introvert, really honestly extroverted, introvert.
Speaker 10: Same so I'm not the kind of I'm always the
Speaker 10: kind of person that doesn't want to go up to
Speaker 10: somebody and introduce myself. I don't want to bother them,
Speaker 10: you know what I mean. But I walked past him
Speaker 10: and I just kind of looked at him and thought
Speaker 10: to myself, Oh my god, that's Alan Jackson. And he
Speaker 10: said I love your stuff, and I was like, oh
Speaker 10: my god, Alan Jackson knows who I am and has
Speaker 10: heard my music.
Speaker 13: What in the world, you know, So it's.
Speaker 4: It was like that I don't think he came off
Speaker 4: you can see it at all.
Speaker 3: And I'm a big believer in what I would call
Speaker 3: a healthy arrogance, because if I don't have it, if
Speaker 3: I'm believe in me so much, nobody else is going
Speaker 3: to yeah, like I have to because at times other
Speaker 3: people are gonna go yeah or nope, or I don't know,
Speaker 3: prove it. But if I don't believe in me and
Speaker 3: I don't believe what I'm putting out is worth people
Speaker 3: buying a ticket if I'm doing a comedy show or
Speaker 3: spending twenty minutes with me in the morning or reading
Speaker 3: a book. If I don't believe it and I don't
Speaker 3: believe it's great, nobody else will Yeah.
Speaker 13: That's true.
Speaker 4: So I have to be that, and I have no problem.
Speaker 4: It's just for me.
Speaker 3: At times, I think I get so insecure that that
Speaker 3: healthy arrogance tends to come off the other way because
Speaker 3: I'm so insecure that it's like, well, I got approved
Speaker 3: to everybody that I don't take any crap, and let's
Speaker 3: let's go.
Speaker 4: That's my problem.
Speaker 3: When things started to really pop for me, I had
Speaker 3: to There were a couple of times where I had
Speaker 3: to be like, whoa, we got to check yourself.
Speaker 4: Luckily, I have that awareness.
Speaker 13: I was going to say, you're aware of it.
Speaker 4: Luckily, yeah did. When did you ever have to have
Speaker 4: that talk with you?
Speaker 3: It's a weird question to ask where you're like, it's
Speaker 3: hidden now, like, let's make sure we make these some
Speaker 3: wise decisions, not because.
Speaker 10: Of an arrogance thing or insecurity really, but you know,
Speaker 10: I just it took me a really long time to
Speaker 10: realize that I had some power.
Speaker 13: Like, you know, nobody tells you that when you start out.
Speaker 13: They're like, there's all.
Speaker 10: Kinds of people that want you to do what they
Speaker 10: think you should do. And I mean everybody from video
Speaker 10: directors to art directors to producers to everybody executives. And
Speaker 10: it took I think it was my husband actually that said,
Speaker 10: you know you, they're kind of working for you in
Speaker 10: a way, and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 13: Yeah, so then you kind of you can kind of
Speaker 13: assert your power over your creativity and your own persona
Speaker 13: and how you're to see you over yourself, and that
Speaker 13: that can get pretty heady.
Speaker 10: So sometimes I feel like, especially I don't you know,
Speaker 10: as a woman, I kind of had to check that
Speaker 10: a little bit just to not alienate everyone.
Speaker 12: Hank Ty the Bobby cast will be right back. Wow,
Speaker 12: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 4: And we've made it all the way to number one.
Speaker 3: As far as the number one Bobby Cast of twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, this one isn't number one because one, it
Speaker 3: did really well, but it also just surprised me because
Speaker 3: I can tell you I didn't I had no relationship
Speaker 3: at all with Chase Rice.
Speaker 4: You know, he could beat me up.
Speaker 3: I thought he might all those factors, and so I
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, let's see where this goes. But it's
Speaker 3: from episode three eighty seven. Again, Super downloaded a lot
Speaker 3: of feedback because we really got into some hard topics
Speaker 3: that I think a lot of people can relate to.
Speaker 3: And I was very surprised with this generosity on talking
Speaker 3: about some of this stuff. He talked about losing his dad,
Speaker 3: dealing with grief and depression at the height of his career,
Speaker 3: and why he's purposely choosing to be lonely right now.
Speaker 3: This is a side of Chase Rice I'd never seen before.
Speaker 3: I really liked it. You guys really liked it. So
Speaker 3: here he is Chase Rice at number one. A credit
Speaker 3: to your dad, and I'm sure you feel this way
Speaker 3: and you love him, but it is You're right, It
Speaker 3: is so rare for someone to be consistent.
Speaker 4: And when you talk about it, I mean like he
Speaker 4: was there. Yeah, I mean that alone is pure love.
Speaker 8: Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: It just feels like in relationships, no matter what it
Speaker 3: is with parent, brothers, sister, best friend, work like everybody's
Speaker 3: gonna do things and mess up and do great. It's
Speaker 3: just that the value of two humans working together. And
Speaker 3: but man, consistency, that's as much love as you could
Speaker 3: possibly get.
Speaker 4: Like I'm that's always just sound like the greatest dude.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was there, That's that's the number one. But
Speaker 8: it wasn't like he was just there and absent. He
Speaker 8: was there and he gave you all the attention and
Speaker 8: then like through high school and stuff, it didn't miss
Speaker 8: anto of the games.
Speaker 4: Do you still miss him?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah all the time when because my mom died
Speaker 3: ten maybe thirteen or so years ago, my grandmother raised me,
Speaker 3: adopted me for a while too, And I have moments
Speaker 3: in waves where I'll like see something it doesn't it
Speaker 3: just reminds me and it's like it's like I get
Speaker 3: kicked in the like side, yeah, and you're like, oh man,
Speaker 3: I really miss what is.
Speaker 9: It for you?
Speaker 8: Sometimes? I was reading a book this morning and it
Speaker 8: was talking about dreams. It's this psychiatrist book. He was
Speaker 8: talking about the dreams this one one of her patients had.
Speaker 8: And that's the best way I can explain, Like when
Speaker 8: it does kicky on the side, you're just like, damn,
Speaker 8: it comes out of nowhere too, where all of a
Speaker 8: sudden your back You remember the phone call. I remember
Speaker 8: the phone call from my mom, Chase. She said my
Speaker 8: name was real shaky and shut the fridge like I
Speaker 8: remember details, shut the freezer and she said, oh god.
Speaker 8: My first thought when she said my name and it
Speaker 8: was shaky, was oh god, was she found out that
Speaker 8: I've done? Like that's a guilty continence right there. And
Speaker 8: then she said, Chase, come home. Dad died And I'm
Speaker 8: just like, whoa what? Like the only way I know
Speaker 8: how to explain it is the worst dream you ever
Speaker 8: had in your life, where it's it's that nightmare where
Speaker 8: you wake up and you're like, oh, what was it
Speaker 8: was that real? Okay, No, that wasn't real. Thank god,
Speaker 8: that wasn't real. Like that that would end your life
Speaker 8: if that was real, and life is you know it anyway,
Speaker 8: But it's that and it's real, and then it doesn't stop,
Speaker 8: and for the next few hours you're still processing what
Speaker 8: just happened. And I was driving home, like.
Speaker 4: Where you driving from Nashville.
Speaker 8: I lived in chapel I was in college, so I
Speaker 8: was driving from Chapehoo to Ashville. The first phone call
Speaker 8: I made was my ex girlfriend, who was like my
Speaker 8: high school girlfriend, so she knew him really well. Called
Speaker 8: her and told her. I don't remember how that conversation went.
Speaker 8: My brother, Casey and I talked three times on the
Speaker 8: drive home, and it was more just like what's going
Speaker 8: on because I didn't ask how he died. He had
Speaker 8: a heart attack, but I didn't know that in my
Speaker 8: mind he fell off the roof or something working on
Speaker 8: the house. So that whole drive was just like it
Speaker 8: takes sometimes like this morning, it didn't happen. But sometimes
Speaker 8: it'll hit you, like you'll be back in that place
Speaker 8: where your mom calls you and it hits you like
Speaker 8: a ton of bricks and your life just stops and
Speaker 8: you're back in that moment, even if it's first split second,
Speaker 8: but you're just back there and it's it's a shit feeling.
Speaker 8: But I have done a lot of work talking to people,
Speaker 8: therapy stuff Like I went to rehab twice and the
Speaker 8: first time I went, I was like, I didn't talk
Speaker 8: about anything that I thought I was gonna go back
Speaker 8: into all this stuff, which is awesome. You Now, looking back,
Speaker 8: I'm like, Okay, that's so necessary. But I dealt with
Speaker 8: the loss of him a lot. But it's still never
Speaker 8: It's never gonna go away.
Speaker 3: And you're right first, You're right, it's not gone away
Speaker 3: at all for me, especially the waves, Like it's not
Speaker 3: as constant, but the waves are equally as powerful, right
Speaker 3: when they do come in.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But also I look at it as a blessing too
Speaker 3: that I get to be sad, which is a twisted
Speaker 3: ishu way.
Speaker 4: But my grandmother was so valuable. Yeah, I had no
Speaker 4: consistency at all.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My dad left when I was five or sick. My
Speaker 3: mom was an addict orr whole life, died in the forties.
Speaker 3: My grandma adopted me and was there. And the fact
Speaker 3: that I'm so sad I missed her so much, Like
Speaker 3: I feel very lucky that I get to be.
Speaker 4: Sad, Yeah, because she was that awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah that I'm lucky that I'm sad because I could
Speaker 3: not be sad, and I would have had no consistency
Speaker 3: and no love.
Speaker 8: That's crazy, awesome way to look at it.
Speaker 3: It's I think it's survival for me. Honestly, I do
Speaker 3: believe it. But it's weird even to say out loud,
Speaker 3: where it's like I feel blessed to be sad because
Speaker 3: that was the one person for me that was she
Speaker 3: was seventy, but she was right there.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So you know, when I hear the stories about you, dad,
Speaker 3: I'm jealous. Yeah, but I'm also super grateful that you
Speaker 3: had that.
Speaker 8: This crossed my mind for sure, like would you rather have?
Speaker 8: And I told people all the time back then. I'll
Speaker 8: still say it like I got more out of twenty
Speaker 8: two years than most people get from their dad in
Speaker 8: a lifetime. And I've wondered, like what's harder what happened
Speaker 8: with me or never knowing him at all? And I'll
Speaker 8: take what happened with me all day.
Speaker 4: Ten times out of ten. Absolutely.
Speaker 12: Yeah, hang tight. The Bobby Cast will be right back.
Speaker 12: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 4: The back of your record is your dog?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Also very meaningful to you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's awesome. So I haven't seen her like a week,
Speaker 8: this morning a morning.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So tell me about him.
Speaker 8: So he's he's a black lab named Jack. I want.
Speaker 8: I always wanted a dog, but I wanted him for
Speaker 8: for like I always wanted to go bird hunting with
Speaker 8: a dog, with my own dog. So that's what I've
Speaker 8: got him for. And he goes to training back and forth.
Speaker 8: He's not a pointer, he's a retriever.
Speaker 4: Thought it like, you take him duck hunting. Yeah, he
Speaker 4: goes to gets to.
Speaker 8: Bring the back scorn and we were on a walk
Speaker 8: and I was throwing the thing. He was hell to
Speaker 8: go till he drops. But I got him because of
Speaker 8: the song bench Seat, which is on my record, which
Speaker 8: is a song about my budd almost shoot himself.
Speaker 4: You wrote that one by yourself from my mind?
Speaker 7: Is that right?
Speaker 8: Yeah? I got it and I wrote it in my
Speaker 8: breakfast room and it was a third song that I
Speaker 8: wrote by myself on the record. But I'm writing this
Speaker 8: song and in my mind, I've got a video going through,
Speaker 8: Like I don't know why the whole video is in
Speaker 8: my head while I'm right. It actually helped me write
Speaker 8: the song. And uh, it's about my buddy who put
Speaker 8: a gun to his head and didn't pull the trigger twice.
Speaker 8: I thought he was a coward for not being able
Speaker 8: to do it. It's like, damn that that's when you're
Speaker 8: in a bad place, when you can't even see it,
Speaker 8: like you did the right thing, man, and he didn't.
Speaker 8: As his dog came up put his.
Speaker 4: Head on his lap, he felt love right then.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, he knew he'd have to leave the dog,
Speaker 8: like who's gonna take care of Yeah, he might even
Speaker 8: put blood on the dog, like he would have made
Speaker 8: a mess.
Speaker 4: And that's left from him to the dog. Worrying about
Speaker 4: the dog.
Speaker 8: Yeah, wow, And he knew this dog is pretty awesome
Speaker 8: talking about my buddy's dog. But he knew what the
Speaker 8: dog was thinking, like, don't do this. And I think
Speaker 8: the dog knew there was a problem. Obviously, maybe not
Speaker 8: cognitive thought like we have, but he knew there was
Speaker 8: something wrong, and so he came into my house and
Speaker 8: got help. You know, just third second or third night,
Speaker 8: I go up and flipped the light on him, like,
Speaker 8: which is funny because going back to my dad, my
Speaker 8: dad caught me on the phone talking to a girl
Speaker 8: saying a bunch of shit you just don't say to girls.
Speaker 8: And then at the end of the conversation, I said,
Speaker 8: I love you like I didn't. I was clueless, you're
Speaker 8: middle school. You don't know middle school. And he came up.
Speaker 8: This is crazy, I don't have ever pieces together. But
Speaker 8: he came up, flipped the light on, and sat down,
Speaker 8: and I knew I was busted. It's like, oh oh,
Speaker 8: he was on the phone the whole time. Fast forward
Speaker 8: to my buddy. It was like I had this thing
Speaker 8: where like I knew he was in trouble. Different situation.
Speaker 8: I'm not his dad, you know, I don't. It's a
Speaker 8: different situation. But I went up and it flipped the
Speaker 8: light on and leaned against the wall and just said,
Speaker 8: what's up, dude? And he uh, he said, oh, I'm good.
Speaker 8: I'm good. I'm just he's like sitting up out of bed.
Speaker 8: He's trying to go to sleep. Dog was on the
Speaker 8: floor And I said, no, what's up? Why are you here?
Speaker 8: So you never come? You never come to visit me
Speaker 8: like this. You don't even like I just showed Atlanta, you'
Speaker 8: even come to the show. What are you doing here?
Speaker 8: And what's because he was a dark he was dark,
Speaker 8: and uh, he just loses it, face gets red, starts
Speaker 8: bawling his eyes out, puts his hand like this, and
Speaker 8: explains how he almost shot himself. I guess two or
Speaker 8: three nights before and that point, I'm just I'm just listening,
Speaker 8: and uh, he got the work from a lady here
Speaker 8: that I was seeing, who was awesome. She like made
Speaker 8: it a point, Okay, I need to see him every day.
Speaker 8: Started the work. Then then that's been years ago. That
Speaker 8: was probably twenty eighteen nineteen. And then fast forward to
Speaker 8: twenty twenty sometime and he's at my house. He's doing
Speaker 8: much better. I'm like, okay, I got my friend back.
Speaker 8: He's back, and now he's doing even better. I saw
Speaker 8: him over Christmas. He's awesome. Man, he just got gazed.
Speaker 8: So he's joking around the fire and he's like, man, bro,
Speaker 8: you should write a song about a god driving around
Speaker 8: his truck with his dog. And I just laugh. I'm like,
Speaker 8: let's cliche, Like the most cliche song you can almost write.
Speaker 8: Three days later, a text her call him and I
Speaker 8: was like, dude, I wrote it. It's not gonna be
Speaker 8: what you're gonna expect. Fast forward to the me writing
Speaker 8: ben C having the the video movie idea in my head.
Speaker 8: That was the moment I was like, Okay, if I'm
Speaker 8: gonna have a dog in this video, it's gonna be
Speaker 8: my dog. Originally he was gonna be the puppy. Took
Speaker 8: his two years a piece together the video and make
Speaker 8: it right. So Jackson middle dog in the video. But
Speaker 8: that's that's what sent me over the edge of like,
Speaker 8: all right, I'm getting a dog finally.
Speaker 4: And you put him on the back of the record
Speaker 4: to show what.
Speaker 8: Well cowboys and dogs for whatever reason with the theme
Speaker 8: of this record, probably because I was addressing, you know,
Speaker 8: my dad, who's on the cover, and then jack was
Speaker 8: on the back. Jack I think I mentioned dog like
Speaker 8: four or five times in this record. I'll get off
Speaker 8: it on the next one. But that's where I'm in life.
Speaker 8: This dog, he came into my life. I don't I
Speaker 8: wouldn't say saved my life or anything, but he's made
Speaker 8: my life a lot better and he's made me more
Speaker 8: capable of loving someone and being loved.
Speaker 3: Absolutely did it for me. My dog did the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: people think I'm crazy when I say that. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think when I said amen, I was, I was just
Speaker 3: a vistial reacts to me going eight. I felt that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: why do you think that about you?
Speaker 8: I don't. I don't like the I don't like the
Speaker 8: idea of someone loving me, and I don't know why
Speaker 8: I think. I think it stems for my dad passing
Speaker 8: away to where I haven't had that in fifteen years now,
Speaker 8: So I'm like, ah, I'm good. Plus you put on
Speaker 8: this front like you're all tough, Plus you have fame
Speaker 8: start coming into the picture, so you don't really know
Speaker 8: who to trust. And I just don't like the idea.
Speaker 8: It makes me uncomfortable. So it's funny when I'm that
Speaker 8: tough guy or putting on the act and then all
Speaker 8: of a sudden rolling around on the floor with Jack
Speaker 8: and he has a thing about it. There's no judgment,
Speaker 8: there's no there's no falseness to it. It's just you
Speaker 8: and your dollar rolling around on the floor and me
Speaker 8: like talking in a higher pitched voice that I'm used
Speaker 8: to that i'll ever talk to anybody. So I think,
Speaker 8: first it's allowed me to let myself be loved by
Speaker 8: something or someone, and then that can flip hopefully that
Speaker 8: you know, allows me to flip it into loving somebody
Speaker 8: at some point. And I'm not saying I don't love it.
Speaker 8: Like I love my mom, I love my brother.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, but like a romantic trust, non blood love
Speaker 3: that you don't that you.
Speaker 5: Have to work at.
Speaker 3: You have to worry because your brother's gonna be brother regardless,
Speaker 3: he's always I'll be your brother.
Speaker 8: Yeah you hold are you thirty seven? Okay?
Speaker 3: So I didn't I am get married will I was
Speaker 3: thirty nine and never been engaged, was never in a
Speaker 3: serious relationship, and in my valves what I said, I like,
Speaker 3: the hardest.
Speaker 4: Thing I have to do is learn to be loved.
Speaker 8: Be loved. Yeah wow.
Speaker 3: And my dog Dusty, who had for thirteen years, like
Speaker 3: I would practice because I did.
Speaker 5: I love that dog.
Speaker 4: I never told anybody I loved him my whole life.
Speaker 4: I didn't say it. I just didn't.
Speaker 8: I didn't know.
Speaker 7: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't know how to.
Speaker 3: But that dog I would tell him all the time,
Speaker 3: Like I mean, it makes me emotional think about it.
Speaker 3: I was just like I would say, man, I love you,
Speaker 3: I love And it's the only that I wouldn't even
Speaker 3: I couldn't even say love.
Speaker 4: In recreating a situation that I didn't say it we
Speaker 4: were talking about and.
Speaker 3: They'd be on the show, be like what if you
Speaker 3: you met, how would you say it? I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 3: I can't I live with that dog like almost like
Speaker 3: trained me to when it finally happened. Yeah, and it
Speaker 3: wasn't easy. Wow, But when it finally happened with my
Speaker 3: wife now, it was like, this feels different. I can't
Speaker 3: piss this away. I know I'm capable because I love
Speaker 3: that animal before he died. So when you said that,
Speaker 3: I was like, dang, Like I felt that more than anything. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because that was a big part of my life. It's
Speaker 3: a thirteen year old dog who adopted from a puppy
Speaker 3: meal and that changed it, and that that changed it all.
Speaker 3: Are you like, I mean, I'm assuming you want a family?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do for sure.
Speaker 8: I'm in a place right now where I'm extremely lonely
Speaker 8: a lot, but I'm okay with it. It's not like
Speaker 8: I'm in this depressed state. I just I'm living in it, man.
Speaker 8: And I also understand that a dog isn't enough, Like
Speaker 8: I don't want to be the guy that's fifty years
Speaker 8: old just with him and his dog. But I've earned it,
Speaker 8: like I've earned the lonely. But I'm doing it on
Speaker 8: purpose for now, because I just feel like that's what
Speaker 8: I need to do for myself. And also I think
Speaker 8: it's going to take something that extreme to get me
Speaker 8: out of this place of or get me into the
Speaker 8: place of wanting to really be with somebody, one person.
Speaker 8: Because I'll tell you one thing I was thinking about.
Speaker 8: I think about this all the time, but like going
Speaker 8: down the road of a lot of women, no matter
Speaker 8: how tough you can sound in front of your buddies
Speaker 8: and the ones that say don't ever get married and
Speaker 8: all this, it leads you to extreme depression. And I
Speaker 8: don't know all the details of why, but it leads
Speaker 8: you to a very very dark place, and it leads
Speaker 8: you to a lot of sex with a zero intimacy.
Speaker 8: And then the more you do it, the more it
Speaker 8: leads you to just wanting to be alone. And it's
Speaker 8: a dark place to be.
Speaker 3: And there you have at the top ten Bobby Cast
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