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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our fashion.

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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back on this great Monday, the twenty third of

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Speaker 3: May twenty twenty two. I am right up in your face.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why they zoo me in this way,

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Speaker 3: but they certainly did. Hello everyone, I am nearly one

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Speaker 3: half of your hosting duo on Morning Combat, the best

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Speaker 3: goddamn podcast there is, which is not true, but I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna say it just the same.

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas. I join you from the capital of

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Speaker 1: the status of news, right here in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 3: Joined by my He was read like a lobster on

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Speaker 3: you know, he was red lobster on Friday. Today he's

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Speaker 3: more beef and cheddar Arby's. He's the Viceroy of Connecticut.

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Speaker 3: It's Brian Campbell. What's up, Brian Campbell?

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Speaker 2: Hello, Luke Thomas. To be back doing the thing Luke

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Speaker 2: that makes me feel the most happy, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, short of my real life, right like the

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Speaker 2: things that really matter to me, but in this fake world,

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Speaker 2: of fake bullshit doing this show, Luke. I mean, it

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Speaker 2: just feels great, right.

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Speaker 3: You know, let me say this, bec Let me ask

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Speaker 3: you this, if you if what what what? What fast

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Speaker 3: food item embodies you? Most right? I was calling you

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Speaker 3: red lobster Friday today. You know, more beef and cheddar armies,

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Speaker 3: Like what what what represents? Not like army is Taco Bell,

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Speaker 3: but like what what piece of order?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: I would say that the beef and cheddar kind of

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of represents what you're getting from me,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Good shitter.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a I'm gonna be a double decker

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Speaker 3: taco from Taco Bell. Yes, yes, yes, I hope you

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Speaker 3: had a good weekend. Hope everyone out there had a

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Speaker 3: good weekend. We did it as well. We got some

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Speaker 3: fights to react to UFC fights and some scoring controversies.

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, they never seem to end.

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Speaker 3: We have some boxing from showtime as well as a

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Speaker 3: lot of other are some small MMA stuff happening. There

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Speaker 3: things we have to get to as well. So thumbs

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Speaker 3: hit subscribe. Lots of fun stuff to get to on

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Speaker 3: the show. As I mentioned, the email to do that

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Speaker 3: is gonna be at Morning Coombat at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 3: That'll be the place to reach us for Wednesday's fan

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Speaker 3: The producers see that, so you have to like kind

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Speaker 2: Sees that shit. All right, Yes, you want to talk

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Speaker 2: that you mixed yourself, right, I mean, you know, but

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Speaker 2: if you want to email that address, you're getting Mikey Mormoile.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're gonna get him, You're not gonna get us.

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Speaker 3: So keep that in mind. Let's see what else do

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Speaker 2: That's that's a It's a wonderful life, Luke.

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Speaker 3: the Ultimate Fighting Championship. First things first, So Kaitlyn Vieira

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Speaker 2: I scored three rounds to two for Holly Holm, and

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Speaker 2: understand the controversy, Yes, but I'm almost more focused on

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Speaker 2: Holly Holm had to work really fricking hard to get

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Speaker 3: There were definitely like way more punctuated moments. I don't

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Speaker 3: I genuinely mean that that's not some kind of dodge

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Speaker 1: At all.

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Speaker 3: In scoring, there has to be something that pushes the

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Speaker 3: and that position is a safe and reliable position for control.

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Speaker 3: absent something on top of it for offense, offense that

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Speaker 1: And it is alarming to me. I genuinely mean this.

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Speaker 3: It is alarming to me that a list fighters and

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Speaker 1: On BC.

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Speaker 3: This is a I'm not gonna call it a scandal,

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Speaker 2: You've got the right argument, I just think you have

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Speaker 1: No, the one where MVP and Logan story there.

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Speaker 2: It is exactly MVP and Logan story. In the end

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Speaker 2: I believe was judges, And in that case, I guess

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Speaker 2: So the argument that you just made right there are

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Speaker 2: the take I think works better in that type of fight.

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Speaker 2: In that direction, I don't think Holme lost this not

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Speaker 2: understanding the scoring system. I think that's where the difference is.

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Speaker 2: I think Holme was she had intention in her offense

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Speaker 2: when she had the quote unquote control position. Now, what

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Speaker 2: I had said earlier was I don't think she did

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Speaker 2: with full confidence. But I'm not upset with Holly Holm

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Speaker 2: end of the day, yes, Vienna l did the more

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Speaker 2: her up. Would would? I know that's that's not the

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Speaker 2: your argument is more for when somebody's trying to win

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Speaker 1: Did you not.

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Speaker 3: When you just to be clear when you say offensive intention,

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Speaker 3: help me understand what you mean by that.

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Speaker 2: Aggression? Really a point. Look, every fighter seems to understand

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Speaker 2: that in a position where nothing's happening, if they can

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Speaker 2: in this crappy position or where I'm really working for control,

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Speaker 2: I'm at least giving you the you know, the visual

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Speaker 2: landed so much in terms of damage that there's not

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Speaker 2: I think the judges just didn't prefer what she put

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Speaker 3: So to be clear, you know, as we mentioned, it

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Speaker 3: that was the round with the choke. Fair enough, okay,

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Speaker 3: But it's worth that much to them. Once I get

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Speaker 3: only thing that matters from there is what kind of

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Speaker 3: lift you. I can do all kinds of things. Plus,

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Speaker 3: which is I think all you could really say, Vierra

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Speaker 3: That to me should not be surprising to anybody. The

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Speaker 3: But I don't really afterwards meaningfully put damage behind it.

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Speaker 3: It's not to say that the clinch is irrelevant. It's

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Speaker 2: Okay, well number one, she also had good moments in

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Speaker 2: I get what you're saying that nothing really counts until

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Speaker 2: know better. But Holly is still throwing more, in landing

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Speaker 1: They were once they were on the fence line, it

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Speaker 2: There was no wash when when someone's forcing the position.

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Speaker 2: I get what you're saying, that's not supposed to be judged.

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Speaker 2: But once she gets there, dude, she's dictatd she's letting

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Speaker 2: I don't know I saw enough intention from home to

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Speaker 2: I finished. Can I finish the sentence? I do understand that.

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Speaker 1: Can I finish? Can I finish? I mean? It does

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I had to stand for them because you're

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Speaker 2: to take it over for three minutes. You know they're

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Speaker 2: either coming in to make a correction or make a

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Speaker 2: bad ass joke. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Go go.

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Speaker 2: She didn't land enough damage to not be in this

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Speaker 2: spot where there's an argument. But I don't think you

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Speaker 2: she's the only one in some of those sequences throwing

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Speaker 2: you're doing the mental math and you're a judge and

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Speaker 2: you're adding up everything you see, it's got to add

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Speaker 1: Explain to me if I have a minute.

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Speaker 3: Let's say, let's just I realize around is five of these,

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Speaker 3: I rock your head back. You don't win that minute.

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Speaker 3: I win that minute. And you saw a lot of

438
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,360
Speaker 3: that where they would have some separation and Kaitlyn wouldn't

439
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 3: land much. I agree with you. Numerically, not a whole lot,

440
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,399
Speaker 3: but it would have a more demonstrative effect. Now again,

441
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that there's no case for Holly Home.

442
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 3: There is a case for Holly Home, maybe even a

443
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Speaker 3: better case than the one for Kaitlyn Vieira. I think

444
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Speaker 3: the point I'm trying to make here is we need

445
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Speaker 3: to tamper back the confusion of about how judges are

446
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 3: arriving at these positions, and part of that confusion stems

447
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 3: from the fact we need to say it explicitly elite

448
00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 3: fighters who of course know how to fight, seem to

449
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,200
Speaker 3: be very confused and not clear on what the judges

450
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,360
Speaker 3: are looking for. And all I'm pointing out is if

451
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 3: you get a little bit more symmetry between that, I

452
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 3: think you're going to get fewer of these situations, which

453
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 3: of course are arguable in either way. What is not

454
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Speaker 3: arguable is that rounds one, three, four, and five are

455
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 3: clearly homes.

456
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: No they are not. No, they are not.

457
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 3: You cannot push somebody into the fence, use a control

458
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 3: position where you have literal advantages positionally and you don't

459
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 3: really meaningfully add any offense, and then when it separates.

460
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Speaker 1: You get your head rocked back. Dude, you're gonna lose

461
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 1: rounds that way.

462
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Speaker 2: Well, that's just the way that it goes. Let me

463
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 2: counter that. We get a lot of people whenever we

464
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: give our take on who wanted UFC Championship fight. You know,

465
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Speaker 2: did the judges get it right?

466
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Speaker 4: Well?

467
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Speaker 2: I think you know what A Kerr had a case

468
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 2: in the second out of Sony fight. We do a

469
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 2: lot of that, right, it's podcasts filter, But a lot

470
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 2: of people come back at us go b CNLT like,

471
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 2: did you not see all those calfkicks for example, and

472
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 2: whatever fight you're talking about, you know what I mean?

473
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 2: Did you not see this looke? Did you not see

474
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 2: the constant knees to the thighs and legs by Home? Again,

475
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 2: I'm not saying those are of the same equal strike

476
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: for strike as a big left hook from Vieta. But

477
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 2: I'm just saying there's a lot of these little moments

478
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: of activity from Home, and there was intention, and she

479
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 2: is chipping away at those legs. They got to add

480
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 2: up to something. You can't just like you can't just say, oh,

481
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 2: she won that minute because she landed one left hook.

482
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Speaker 2: You're scoring on five minutes, Luke, you get it.

483
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 1: I understand, But dude, what are those supposed to mean

484
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 1: if it doesn't in any way inhibit her movement? Like

485
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Speaker 1: it didn't do anything, It didn't leave a mark, It

486
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: didn't inhibit her movement. She was relenting to the position.

487
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: But it's more than just what's happening with your legs.

488
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot of upper bodies.

489
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Speaker 2: Slows them down. It's like going to the body. It

490
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 2: slows people down.

491
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Speaker 3: Luke, Dude, go into the body and it slows you down.

492
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 3: You can visibly see it slow her down.

493
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Speaker 1: It didn't.

494
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Speaker 3: It didn't do anything. It didn't mark her up, It

495
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 3: didn't do shit. Like, what do you want me to

496
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 3: say that it did? Did I see it that it landed? Yes,

497
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 3: I saw that it landed. Did I see that home

498
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 3: was working? I will give her credit her work rate. See,

499
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 3: that's one thing. Her work rate was high. Holly Holm

500
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 3: was working the entire time. I'll give her that. I

501
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 3: will not deny her that, no doubt about it. She

502
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 3: was working the entire time. But she was working with

503
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: a strategy that was not I mean, I feel like

504
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 3: we're missing the debate here. The debate is how is

505
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 3: it We're in twenty twenty two and we have very

506
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 3: elite members of the MMA circle in this case, commentators

507
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 3: and fighters who are not clear on what the judging

508
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: should be. We can talk about how Holly maybe has

509
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: a better case than Vieira, and maybe that's the case,

510
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 3: but the real controversy comes to the.

511
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Speaker 1: Fact, oh my god, what are the judges doing here? Dude,

512
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: the judges.

513
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Speaker 3: You can make an argument for Vieira, it's not in

514
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 3: any way implausible. And if you're saying, well, I'll give

515
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 3: her the second and then one, three, four, and five

516
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: are all mine.

517
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Speaker 1: Dude, No, Like, that's just not And.

518
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Speaker 3: If you believe that, it's because you believe that based

519
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: on probably a set of principles that don't line up

520
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 3: with what the actual scoring criteria is and BC because

521
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 3: we keep revisiting this theme, I feel like that's the story,

522
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 3: not whether or not there's an argument for home, which

523
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 3: of course there is.

524
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I disagree with you, and that's fine.

525
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: I just think you have the right argument for the

526
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 2: wrong fight. I think though the judges just missed that

527
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 2: Holme did enough. But you know it's gonna always be

528
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 2: that debate, Luke, when it's close of singular powerful strikes

529
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: again versus how much average level landing is going to

530
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: eventually trump that. And I don't think I mean there's

531
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Speaker 2: a debate in that, Luke. I get you're scoring aggression

532
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: in damage above all else. I absolutely understand that. But

533
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: how much aggression and damage wins you around if you've landed, well, you're.

534
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: Not scoring aggression in damage. You're just scoring damage first.

535
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: Aggression doesn't come into it unless damage is even damage

536
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 3: wasn't even bro.

537
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Speaker 2: Okay, So this is what I gotta ask you. How secure.

538
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: Can you be that if Vieta lands two hard visible

539
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: strikes that you saw, how much do you really know

540
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: that the rest of the round Holme's constant this or

541
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Speaker 2: that doesn't equal. That's what I'm saying, Luke.

542
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 3: Right, So I mean this is this is part of

543
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 3: the reason why judging is inherently fraught with peril. It's

544
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: not an easy job. No matter how qualified or how

545
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 3: clear everyone is on the scoring criteria fair enough, you're

546
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: just trying to guess. In some ways you may I know,

547
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 3: maybe her leg was hurting like shit the next day

548
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 3: because it all added up.

549
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: I don't know.

550
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 3: But what I can say is you have to make

551
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: a determination in real time, meaningfully speaking, what were What

552
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 3: can you say that those strikes did?

553
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: Did they change her?

554
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 3: Like for example, if someone takes a hard leg kick

555
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: and it reddens up and then they switch stance because

556
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 3: now they have to hide it. Do that kick landed?

557
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 3: You know that landed? Other times it can be hard

558
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: to tell. I guess what the judges are saying. And

559
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: by the way, I should be clear, I'm defending the judges,

560
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 3: but I also want to say because the judges never

561
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 3: have to justify themselves after the fact we have no

562
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 3: fucking idea exactly what their their thought pattern was because

563
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 3: we're now I'm forced to make some kind of guess

564
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 3: about it. But I'm going to guess in this situation

565
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: here that if your head gets rocked back, that is

566
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: so demonstrative as to be both memorable and then quite

567
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 3: valuable versus sort of rabbit shots and Charlie horses. I'm

568
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 3: not saying it doesn't matter. But if that doesn't change

569
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: their movement pattern, if it doesn't swell up, if it

570
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 3: doesn't do something, what is the value. I don't know

571
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 3: that there's a whole lot of value for the judges.

572
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Speaker 2: I just think it touches on an area that you

573
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: you can't see the potential in internal damage, and that

574
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 2: can become fishy when somebody who's landing the bigger power

575
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: shots didn't land enough. Because would I rather get punched

576
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: clean twice or would I rather get punched at three

577
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: quarter strength repeatedly for four minutes? You know that's the debate, Luke.

578
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: So you know, maybe we can be the first show

579
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: that that makes it official friendly. We'll get judges, we'll

580
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 2: get refs to come on here. We'll do a weekly segment.

581
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: They don't ever want to talk.

582
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: Dude, I've tried to do a weekly segment. What does

583
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: Keith Peterson smell like? I mean, it could be it

584
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: could be epic, Luke, you know what I mean? We

585
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 2: could be the safe home for these officials to come

586
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: air their griefs.

587
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: All right, to move the conversation along. I thought Dan Thomas, who,

588
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 3: by the way, I mean Dean Thomas, might be the

589
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 3: first commentator I've ever heard say a UFC fighter looked old.

590
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: I mean, usually commentator Mma is very you know, walking

591
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: on eggshells. H did you agree? Do you think Home

592
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 3: looked old?

593
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 2: Yeah? I tease it earlier, even as he said that,

594
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: I didn't want to necessarily believe it, because you know,

595
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: Holme has these stretches where she's controlling the fight. She is,

596
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: but she's also busy in landing and doing a lot

597
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: of stuff. But in the end, but particularly over those

598
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: championship rounds four and five there where you know Holme

599
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 2: is is trying to land this plane, but Vieta is,

600
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: you know, coming out with these these not enough of

601
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 2: them in my eyes, but these offensive bursts that are

602
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 2: landing and doing damage. I think Home, Luke ultimately had

603
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: to pour it like pour it all out. I mean

604
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: it wasn't you know, it wasn't blood and guts, but

605
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: just short of that, I think Holme had exert too

606
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: much to get a win over somebody that I think,

607
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: you know, two three, four years ago she can do

608
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 2: with much more ease. So is she getting older? Did

609
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: we see it on this night? Yeah? I think we did, Luke,

610
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 2: even though I thought she won the fight. Yeah, it's

611
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: harder for her to ablished and hold a control a

612
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: pattern that she once did with these that's got to

613
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: answer it.

614
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I would agree with you. I thought she

615
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: looked well. I thought she did look physically strong, right,

616
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 3: I thought she looked physically strong for the weight class. Still,

617
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 3: obviously she's in tremendous physical condition, right, you can see

618
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 3: she's very muscular and whatnot. So that part was the same.

619
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: I guess it's a little hard to tell on video,

620
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 3: you know, fight to fight, although she'd been off for

621
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 3: a while and whatnot. But yeah, I definitely thought Age

622
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 3: might have been showing a little bit towards the end there.

623
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: And again, dude, like with a different maybe with a

624
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 3: different judge, with a different you know, a slightly different

625
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 3: effort or whatever, or you know, shot selection or whatever,

626
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: she could have easily won this one. It was It

627
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: wasn't like, here's the thing, dude, Vieira won this. This

628
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: was not a mandate though. Like you ever seen someone

629
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: win a big political election and they win with a

630
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: landslide and it's like, Okay, the voters put this person

631
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: in because they really believe in what this person has

632
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: to say and they really want their ideas pumped in there.

633
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: You know, this was not like if this was a

634
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: number one contender fight. The result doesn't feel like that

635
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: affirming for the winner here.

636
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: No, no, it doesn't at all. So I felt like wow,

637
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: wow when when the decision got read, because I didn't

638
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: agree with it. But I think more importantly, this is

639
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: a win that's gonna gonna launch Vienna to just to

640
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: some very big opportunities that based on her performance here,

641
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: which was gritty, I'll give her that for sure, you know,

642
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: still almost finished the fight, like, still had some big moments.

643
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it was enough to give me the

644
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: confidence that she's title ready, that she's gonna be you know,

645
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: that she's not gonna get that that that that uh

646
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: that someone on the level of a Peigna who's the champion, newness,

647
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: who's trying to get it back, and they just, by

648
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: the way, announced that for July thirtieth as the main

649
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: event of that pay per view this summer. I don't

650
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: think that that, uh, it doesn't come across as a

651
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: win to me. Maybe I'm being extra critical here, Luke,

652
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: maybe I'm caught up on some subconscious Holly Holmes superfandom.

653
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: But I wasn't impressed overall by what Vieta sh showed

654
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: us here.

655
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: Fair enough, I can understand that, all right, So let's

656
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: go to point number two here, BC, we talk about

657
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: the co main event from the UFC, Michelle Paeda getting

658
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 3: easily the biggest win of his career, albeit close, albeit

659
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: again another split decision, beating the Argentine Santiago Ponzinibio via

660
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: split and of course the comin event as I indicate, Okay,

661
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: same question again, BC, how'd you score the fight?

662
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: And then?

663
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: There wasn't a lot of debate about the scoring here,

664
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 3: although again the third round was obviously a great one

665
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: and the fight o overall was pretty good as well.

666
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: Yeah it was a great fight.

667
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: Is the takeaway that Padeda is finally ascending, or is

668
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 3: the take that Ponzinibbio is descending or both.

669
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: Inevitably but in the end both, but I liked the

670
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: first one much more. Yes, Padata is ascending, and he

671
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: is only twenty eight, not thirty five like I thought.

672
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: And yes, I needed to see a really serious performance

673
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: which I thought Ponsinibio could demand of him. And let's

674
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: give Ponzinibbio credit. He came out of the gates slow

675
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,959
Speaker 2: at thirty five. He don't seem to be you know

676
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: who we thought he could be on this comeback now

677
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: one in three there are, but you know, he made

678
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: it tough as hell in that third round. But even

679
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: with that, Luke, I'm seeing a when he knows he

680
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: needs to be. I'm finally seeing a responsible, poised, gritty

681
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: Michelle Padeda because he had to do this, not with

682
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: the dance in and the flip in and the craziness.

683
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: He had to bite down and fight. And it's not

684
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: as if he wasn't vulnerable in that third round. But

685
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: he's got a good chin for being a guy who

686
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: takes such big chances. He's in sick shape, as we

687
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: know what I have loved if this was a little

688
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: bit more efficient and wrestling friendly like we saw in

689
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: the Chaos Williams win. Yeah, of course he took some

690
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: big damage, but yeah, Luke, for somebody like me who's

691
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: been so critical of Padata, this is exactly what I

692
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: needed to see to finally believe it. He's got a

693
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: five fight win streak, you know what. I favor him

694
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: to win the title tomorrow. No, but this was another

695
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: sort of wrinkle in his game that he had to

696
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: show me to get me to buy in on him.

697
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: And I gotta give it up to him, dude. This

698
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: is this is a gritty ass professional win. I mean,

699
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: I didn't see any of that. That that bullshit, Luke,

700
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: And I don't say bullshit because I'm some old guys

701
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: sitting on a porch telling you to get off my lawn.

702
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: I want to see everything you do be aimed at

703
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: getting the win. This time he did that, Luke.

704
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he really did. I really agree.

705
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 3: I would say that again, we've seen him fade a

706
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: little bit over the course of a fight. He didn't

707
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: fade in like a horrible way here, but definitely Ponzinibia

708
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: was turning it around. If it had been a five

709
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: round fight. I do wonder who would have won that one,

710
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: because Ponzinibbia was obviously doing a lot better than the third.

711
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: Although even then Padeda was doing pretty well. I mean,

712
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: you see, remember what we said on Friday, what did

713
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: we need to see? Yes, could he win via some

714
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: explosive blah blah blah blah blah, Yeah, maybe he could,

715
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: But could you do more than prevent defense? So he

716
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: got away from all the craziness and then went to

717
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: like a very defensive kind of posture. Could he then

718
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: rounded back out and then make some offense behind it? Yeah,

719
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: that's exactly what he did. Even when he was backing

720
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: up and using lateral movement, he was still outstriking Ponsinnibia

721
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: early and through the middle parts of that fight, and

722
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: even later on he was still getting inside and Ponzanimbi

723
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: was coming real wide and couldn't find the right shots. Now,

724
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: to your point, BC, because he faded down the stretch.

725
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: I do wonder about what happens when he gets to

726
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 3: the upper end of that division. To be clear, as

727
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 3: good as the offense was, there still needs to be

728
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: I think more to really make you believe he could

729
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: do something. You know, noteworthy at the upper end of

730
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: this division, Like, there's still a lot of growth that

731
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: has to happen.

732
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: But he's got to mix in the wrestling, Luke, He's

733
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: got to mix the wrestling's got to be a major

734
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: threat into what he does. It just kind of went

735
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: away this fight.

736
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: Right, it did.

737
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: But I mean, compare this fight not just the quality

738
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: of opponent, right, because we're asking is it coming or

739
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: going it right? It's a little bit of both. But

740
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: you know, compare the way this fight looked and the

741
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: way Pereira fought to like his early UFC fights. It's

742
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: in you can't even tell it's the same guy. It's

743
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: amazing how different he looks in his Like he clearly

744
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, I'm gonna be for a little bit

745
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: of fun and then change his whole mindset up. And

746
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: to the point about being twenty eight, Dude, he's got

747
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: two more years really to work on it before he

748
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 3: gets to the center of his prime. And a guy

749
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 3: this athletic might have a longer prime than most because

750
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: he's obviously a crazy good athlete. So my point being is, dude, like,

751
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: is this guy ready to beat Gilbert Burns tomorrow?

752
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: No, I don't think.

753
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: He's ready for anything like that, But is he clearly

754
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,479
Speaker 3: showing that a his past appears to be behind him. Yes,

755
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: and is he clearly showing he is now. I'm gonna

756
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: say a contender worth not title ready, but worth taking. Seriously,

757
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: there's no doubt in my mind at this point that's true.

758
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But you know, to always be critical and fair.

759
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: Everything I said, everything you said. Absolutely he's going in

760
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: the right direction. But I got a little bit of concerns,

761
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: mostly Luke that he does love to brawl, and he

762
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 2: can outbrawl the guys on this level while still taking

763
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: some damage back. But he's not gonna be able to

764
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: outbrawl any of the elite guys. So that's why, uh,

765
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: you know, look work in progress, but yet on a

766
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: five fight win streak, he's got to start showing the balance.

767
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: It's the double threat, you know, of the ground game

768
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,959
Speaker 2: and what he can do, and obviously dipping back into

769
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: his magic bag once in a while to have the

770
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: threat of something big and crazy without leaning on it

771
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: and gassing himself out. But I do you know if

772
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: he goes that that third round kind he kind of

773
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: leaned on whatever he had to get through Pontindibbio's big shots.

774
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: You do that against the very best, you're not getting

775
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: out of that fight. So that's my concern. But luke

776
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: for for guy in a five fight win streak, Patata's

777
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: not even in the top fifteen right now. At Welter

778
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: waits after the fight, you know, he's not using words

779
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 2: like Usman and Colby. He's called out Jorge. He called

780
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 2: out I believe Nick Diaz, maybe Nate, maybe maybe both.

781
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure. Uh is this a good move

782
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: to try to get the bmfs of the world to go, oh,

783
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: here's a firecracker, let me go, you know, let me

784
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: go play fight with him and make a fun action fight.

785
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 2: Is that the right move in your eyes to try

786
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: to get his name known more?

787
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: If you're Padata, yeah, it's as good as any of

788
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 3: the movies he's gonna get. You're right, hey, he's not

789
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 3: ready for the truly upper end of that division. And

790
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: b they wouldn't take fights with him anyway if he

791
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 3: even got offered them. But these ones seem a little

792
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: bit more doable. Aging guy who might brawl a little bit,

793
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: make it fun and exciting a little bit, but is beatable.

794
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 3: He getting this guy's big for the weight class, strong

795
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 3: for the weight class.

796
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: Of course, those makes sense.

797
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 3: It was just weird that he was like, oh, you know,

798
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: Jorge slid into my wife's DMS and then Jorge posts

799
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: it and it was because his wife had sent him

800
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: a nice note to uh Pereira or to Jorge, and

801
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: then Jorge just responded with like a thanks almost. It's

802
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 3: like that did not go the way I was expecting

803
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 3: it to go, to be quite honest with.

804
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: You, right, yeah, yeah, that.

805
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: Was that was bad for Santiago Pons nibbio BC. You

806
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: mentioned it.

807
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: The dude hasn't had a KO win since beating Magni

808
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: since November of twenty eighteen. He now currently sits at

809
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: thirty five years of age at one hundred and seventy pounds.

810
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 3: That's not over the hill, but it's a little bit alarming,

811
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: especially since he had that long layoff between twenty eighteen

812
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 3: and twenty twenty one. What is your read on what

813
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 3: the holds for him?

814
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: When he came back from that nearly two year long

815
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: layoff for multiple injuries, it was go time. There was

816
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: an idea his brand was like oddly kind of buzzing

817
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: and hot coming back after that break, that like, oh crap,

818
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: if he puts it together and stays healthy, now, like

819
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: we legitimately might have a potential you know, top five guy,

820
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: maybe a potential title contender. Like that's over with Luke.

821
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: He's won in three since coming back, but yet has

822
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: fought very good names and has, to his credit like

823
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: looked credible, you know, looked competitive. But I don't think

824
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: he gave me a lot of feelings in these fights

825
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: that that he was gonna win them. Though, So where's

826
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 2: he at. I think he's at the point now where

827
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: he's a name who will make TV friendly fights. But

828
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going any higher than this Luke,

829
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: And that that's critical. That is shit. That's me being

830
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: very critical and real. But I think I'm right on Luke.

831
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: You might be, you might be. I mean, here's the thing.

832
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: I'll say this in his defense, he did get them.

833
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: Miguel Biaza win Abay by his kind of falling off

834
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 3: a little bit, but that was a fight of the

835
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 3: night and this was a fire of the night. And

836
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 3: again BC, gun into your head. If this goes five rounds,

837
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: who wins. I know we're just guessing, but Seriously, who wins.

838
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: I don't know because how much you know, did they

839
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: did they keep a crazier pace because there's a three

840
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: round fight and not a five How much would that

841
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: change things? You know? I get your point that that

842
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: Padata looked like he was trying hard to bite down

843
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: and hold that fight together, and he did. But Luke,

844
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: you know, I also thought Ponsinibbio could go with a

845
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: big strike at any point in the second half of

846
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: this fight, So I'm not really sure either way he

847
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: would have won if it kept going. But uh, you know,

848
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 2: it is one of those interesting ones where yeah, the

849
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: winner comes out and he'll advance for this, But I

850
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: got questions, and I think I got the same guy.

851
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it was a slow start for Ponsinnibbity.

852
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 2: He seems a step behind. He seems to step behind

853
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: out of the gate. Once he gets locked in and

854
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 2: figures out how to fight the other guy, he's in it.

855
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: But he's got to accrue a lot of damage to

856
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 2: be in though.

857
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

858
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: And again he did get the ko loss to the leech.

859
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 3: When he came back after you know, two three years

860
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: whatever it was, then he beat Baza, so it's like, okay,

861
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: all right, you had, you know, a little bit of

862
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: ring rustling.

863
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: You got it right.

864
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: In his defense, these are both split decision losses. But

865
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 3: at the same time, it's like these should have been

866
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: guys that you would ordinarily have beaten prior to you

867
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 3: leaving the division for wherever long he was gone, Like dude,

868
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 3: his run before that was Andrea stall Court McGee, Zach Cummings, Nordin, Teleeb,

869
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: Gunner Nelson, Mike Perry, and then Neil Magni. And he

870
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 3: knocked out Gunner Nelson. And he knocked out Neil Magni.

871
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 3: You would have thought if that guy had kept going,

872
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: he would have beaten guys of this caliber. But it

873
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: appears that you know my how the turn tables right.

874
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: Look, if I was able to track down unrelated by

875
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: the way and secure an interview with Juni Browning of

876
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: Tough Fame, would you beat down and do that with me?

877
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: I would have not much interest.

878
00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: No.

879
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: I watched that season, and I don't you know, I

880
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: don't need to see it again.

881
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 2: The highlights of that season were must see to see

882
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: what he did next. Luke, So he reminded me of

883
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: Puck from Real World. Three San Francisco, Luke, And it's

884
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: just some degree, although I'm sure he was much more

885
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 2: focused on Mayhem internally.

886
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: But you know, you that is such a nineties reference.

887
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 3: Puck remember him? And who was the guy who unfortunately

888
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 3: he had h and eventually eventually passed away.

889
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they had.

890
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: Been Yeah, there you go a long island, Luke. I think, yeah,

891
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: nice work there. Yeah, everything always circles back to the nineties, Luke.

892
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's a nostalgic safe.

893
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: Hey, whatever can you're kicking, can you keep kicking it

894
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: because it's definitely not making any noise.

895
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: You know, right? All right?

896
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: Sorry, I mean you know it could have been Tuki, Luke.

897
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:46,959
Speaker 2: You know you really don't know.

898
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Tuki, I can't control the can in your hand.

899
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: I can't.

900
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: All right, here we go, let's go to point number

901
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: three if we can. We go now to Boxing Showtime Championship.

902
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: We'll circle back to MMA in just a minute.

903
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: But first, David Benavidez, I mean, dude, to say that

904
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 3: this was light work is I think is an overstatement.

905
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 3: Maybe he demolishes David Lemieux dropped him in the first

906
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: I think dropped him in the second again, and then

907
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: the towel came in on the third before the round

908
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: was even over. Easy, easy victory. So my question to

909
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 3: you is BC, realistically, this was dominant in every way possible.

910
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: Is this finally going to be the thing where Benevetez

911
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 3: gets let's say, a worthy adversary up to the level

912
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 3: of his skill.

913
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: It better, it better, it's time, it's time. And this one,

914
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: you know, it turned out to be the wrong side

915
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: of the potential that it had, right, it had potential

916
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: for action, and even in a one sided fight, it

917
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: did kind of give you that. You got to give

918
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: Lemieux credit. He was willing to go out on his shield,

919
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: and boy did he. But you know, we're just we're

920
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: just spinning the tires. Right now. Let's get Benavitez in

921
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: a huge fight. Now. He had to do this to

922
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: get that interim WBC title, which you could say, Okay,

923
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: it's just another kind of meaningless secondary belt. Yeah, right now,

924
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: But what about if Canela Alvarez doesn't come back to

925
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 2: this division full time? What if he ends up getting

926
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: stripped or vacates or what have you, or what if

927
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: he wants to come back at least now Benavidez has

928
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: something a trinket, a piece of the larger pie for

929
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: what it's worth. But next fight, Luke, it's gotta be

930
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: you ready for this, either Jamal Charlow who's moving up. Uh,

931
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: Caleb Plant, who's looking for a big fight. Uh, you know, nay?

932
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: Would you like? Who else? Would you would? Would you

933
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: accept here? You know what I mean to me?

934
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: Can I tell you my can I tell you my

935
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: number one choice? Less? This has nothing to do with

936
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: whether it will get made.

937
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: No, not even Canelo. I mean, yeah, okay, Canelo will

938
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: be number one, but I don't know how likely that is.

939
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 3: But I will tell you among like the very likely

940
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 3: possibilities or the more likely possibilities.

941
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: Anyway, I really want to see the Caleb Plant fight.

942
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 3: Caleb hasn't fought since he lost to Canelo back in November. Dude,

943
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: David Benavidez, listen, Lemieu was just overmatched here.

944
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: Period. There's just I don't know how else you could

945
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: say anything else.

946
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: He was never into I mean, he tried to your point.

947
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 3: He gets viciously dropped in the first, ref almost calls it,

948
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: decides not to, and he goes out. In the second,

949
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 3: he tried, like he really really tried, but Benavitez was

950
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: too much. You Benevitez looked awesome catching him right between punches.

951
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: His timing was impeccable.

952
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: That Caleb Plant fight, to me, is a guy you got,

953
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 3: a defensive you know, very very careful, strategic fighter. And

954
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 3: Caleb Plant who's really good about his movement, real good

955
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: about reading what's coming at him.

956
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: And David Benavidez is.

957
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 3: A fire hose of offense behind the jab, but when

958
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: he wants to open up, he certainly can. I love

959
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 3: that fight.

960
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: It's contrasting styles. It's perfect right, you know, the come

961
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: forward monster against the slick boxer. But knowing that these

962
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: two do not like each other. I mean there are

963
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: go search YouTube, you know, Caleb Plant and the Benavidez brothers,

964
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: and they've almost come to blows, like a few times

965
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: at being at the same gym, crossing pass whatever. There's

966
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: been a lot of beef. Every time you and I

967
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: talk to David Benavitez, it's like we kind of resurfaced

968
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: the whole idea of like, wait, why don't you like

969
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: Caleb Plant again? And then you get five minutes of gold, right,

970
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 2: Luke I mean it's just you know, creative insults of why.

971
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: But it's a great fight. It's a big fight, you know.

972
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: I mean, look, even Jamal Charlow, who's gonna defend his

973
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 2: Middleway title once more, although he's against Machi Cileski this

974
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: summer on show Time, but it's kind of said publicly,

975
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna move up to sixty eight. Let's go these guys,

976
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: you know, the Charlo's in particular, obviously Benavidez a lot younger.

977
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: He's only twenty four, but he's been around a long

978
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: time for being only twenty four. You know, the Charlos,

979
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: it's time for them to make the big fight. So

980
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: if it's not Plant, let's start banging the drum and

981
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: build the road to Jamal Charlo versus Dave Benavidez or

982
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 2: somebody finally get you know, Demetrius Andrede across the street

983
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: into a big fight. Whatever you gotta do here, it's

984
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: got to be big.

985
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: Luke.

986
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: Benavitez is rising. His style is deadly yet you know,

987
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 2: defensively responsible. He's got the size to be a problem

988
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: for anybody at sixty eight. Maybe maybe even Canelo, I

989
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe, I mean The thing is, it's like,

990
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: is he better than Canelo? No, by no means, but

991
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: does he have that that thing, that style advantage potentially

992
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: mixed with the backbone and the intention that he's going

993
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: to go in there and just keep coming forward until

994
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: he until he can get you out of there. Him

995
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: against Canel, Oh luke, it is the sexiest Canelo fight

996
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: you can make. It is right style wise, it is well.

997
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: The thing that I don't I mean, the thing is,

998
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 3: you know better about where they might go from here

999
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: better than I do. So I don't have a firm

1000
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: read in the I guess nobody does. But I'm paying

1001
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 3: attention less to that. I mean, I'm hopeful for a

1002
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: Kleb plan. I'm hopeful for a Jamal Tarlo fight, but

1003
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to happen next. What I

1004
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: do want to say here is, dude, David Benavidez had

1005
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 3: to know that he was going to be the big

1006
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: favorite here, right sure if you saw what the odds

1007
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: makers were, and I know he knew on tape that

1008
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 3: he was going to be the better guy. Dude, he

1009
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 3: showed up in the best shape I think I've ever

1010
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 3: seen him. Did he not look to be in in

1011
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: very I mean, he's never going to be bodybuilder Ronnie Coleman.

1012
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: You know, hey, buddy, light work, you know, lightweight, all

1013
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 3: that shit. He's not going to do that, but he is.

1014
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 3: He looked to me like he took training seriously. He

1015
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: looked at me like he's taking this phase of his

1016
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: life seriously. And he went in there and had a

1017
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: commanding performance, not just because he's better BC, but because

1018
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: no matter how much he thought he was better than

1019
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 3: the opposition, he still crossed all the t's and dotted

1020
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: all the eyes.

1021
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: Dude, that's what you wanted.

1022
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 3: From a guy who previously had to surrender his belts

1023
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 3: on the scale.

1024
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 2: Don't forget he was a two hundred and fifty pound

1025
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 2: amateur heavyweight as a teenager, like grossly overweight. So here's

1026
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: a guy now who made weight by a pound and

1027
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: a half for this one, which seemed to sort of,

1028
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: you know, make a statement in terms of his intention.

1029
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: So you're right, this was probably the best version we've

1030
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: seen of him. And let's not wait any longer. Let's

1031
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: make the big fights. Let's give these guys his chances

1032
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: to be legends. Right, you gotta beat the best guys

1033
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: in your era. Let's make these fights.

1034
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: And by the way, real quickly, if Canelo vacates it

1035
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 3: and he gets elevated to the full on weight class champion,

1036
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 3: what does that do, like realistically, what does that mean

1037
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 3: for fans?

1038
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: For example?

1039
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: That could make him, you know, and the short term,

1040
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: like the power player of the division because he's probably

1041
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: got the biggest name alongside, you know, along with Jamal Charlow,

1042
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: who's maybe a bigger name in theory. But Benavidez has

1043
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: the Mexican American fan base behind him. But you know,

1044
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: people are gonna That's why I think even having this

1045
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: interim strap right now, for what it's worth, if Canelo

1046
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: is because the sanctioning bodies don't seem to be in

1047
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: a rush to strip Canelo. In fact, WBC came out

1048
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 2: with a statement and everybody know, everybody's gonna go, oh, Canelo,

1049
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: come on, do whatever you want, sir, you know what

1050
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: I mean? Same thing with Floyd, right like people weren't

1051
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: going out of their way to strip Floyd. You want

1052
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: somebody in that spot wearing your title also because you

1053
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: get a you know, strong percentage of every fight person

1054
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 2: for them to wear your title belt. It's an interesting system,

1055
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 2: this sanctioning body belt system. And by interesting, I mean

1056
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 2: but you can play the game to win for yourself.

1057
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: And I think right now, even with this interim strap,

1058
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 2: Benavidez is gonna be attractive for either again Jamal Caleb

1059
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: plant both guys in the PBC universe. Easy fight to

1060
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 2: make freaking make it all right?

1061
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: Fair enough?

1062
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 3: From there we go, let's talk about this. I debated

1063
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: putting this in the rundown a little bit in favor

1064
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: of other things. There is going to be an extra

1065
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: credit out today, so don't worry about that. So for

1066
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 3: that reason, let's go to point number four here BC,

1067
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: which is can't believe I did it, but here we are.

1068
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 3: I think that there finally appears to be a little

1069
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: bit of what do you want to call it, electricity

1070
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 3: heat connection, whatever it is, between Anderson Silva and Jake

1071
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 3: Paul So. Anderson Silva had this, you know, whatever the

1072
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: fuck boxing match on, you know, you know wherever it

1073
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: was in some kind of repressive.

1074
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: Island, yes island, yes, and whatever.

1075
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 3: Repressive government is in charge of that place. And you know,

1076
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: he wins and looked amazing doing it again. Another boxing

1077
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: match against somebody who you know, not very much a

1078
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: credential boxer, but Anderson Silva looked very good doing it.

1079
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 3: Floyd Mayweather again made short work of whoever he was

1080
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: going to be get done more.

1081
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: I think his name, well, I may unfortunately made long work, Luke.

1082
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: It was eight rounds, right, okay, but.

1083
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: Not short work. He made easy work. I should say, yeah.

1084
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: But the point is this.

1085
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: Afterwards, Jake Paul takes to social media and says he

1086
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 3: could beat Mayweather and Anderson on the same night, which is,

1087
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: you know, hilarious, and then put out a second meme

1088
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: where he sort of showed himself to be a pest exterminator.

1089
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 4: B C.

1090
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: Let me ask you.

1091
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 3: I have thought that there would be no way Jake

1092
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 3: Paul would take this because I thought Anderson would ice him.

1093
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: I still think Anderson would ice him. But is this

1094
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 3: now not only the fight to make, is it actually likely.

1095
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 2: If Jake Paul can't get Mike Tyson? And I can't

1096
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 2: even believe I'm saying that, but that is something that's

1097
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 2: also been getting tossed around back and forth. And look, seriously,

1098
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: either Paul brother against Mike Tyson is the biggest fight

1099
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: you can make in this genre. So strange to eve

1100
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 2: and has enough strange elements where you're not really sure

1101
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: who's gonna be who's gonna win. Well, this fight with

1102
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: Anderson is just like that. It's just a little bit

1103
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: a step down in my opinion. It's competition wise, this

1104
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: is probably the best Jake Paul fight you can Silver's

1105
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 2: forty seven, Yes, but god is he I mean his

1106
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: instincts in terms of actual boxing in this run that

1107
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: we've seen him on, including beating Chavez Junior, who is

1108
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: quote unquote a real fighter. I mean, it's like it's

1109
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: almost like where you want to ask yourself, Damn, who

1110
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: could Anderson Silva have had been in boxing? I know

1111
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: he's had a couple pro fights here and there sprinkled in, uh,

1112
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: but never took it that serious. I mean, he's still

1113
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: got it in the celebrity bubble level, he's the best.

1114
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: He's poumpful promp probably the best right now. And for

1115
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: the first time, it wouldn't be Jake Paul dipping down

1116
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 2: for someone two three waight classes lower to come up

1117
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: to him. This would be somebody who weighs a little

1118
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: bit more than him probably and is right on his level.

1119
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: But I think Luke commercially outside of Tyson. It's probably

1120
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 2: the biggest one he could do right now. I mean

1121
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 2: it's it would do commercially, and we don't really know. Sorry,

1122
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: let me say this. His Showtime deal expired. Nobody really

1123
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: knows where he's going next. He's obviously been chummy with

1124
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 2: Eddie Hernon de Owne to make the Serrano Taylor fight,

1125
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: but you know, it could be trailer, it could be Showtop,

1126
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: could be anybody for all we know, but him fighting

1127
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: Tommy Fury, which everyone thinks Jake would win handily, is

1128
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 2: not gonna do what an Anderson Silva pay per view

1129
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: could do. You'd be buying that for the star power.

1130
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: You'd be buying it because you don't know what it's

1131
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: gonna look like, but most importantly, for the first time,

1132
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: you'd be buying something where you're like, dude, Jake Paul

1133
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: could lose this and lose badly potentially, so I wouldn't

1134
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 2: normally want this on this rundown, But if Jake Paul

1135
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: is gonna do the Jake Paul thing, at some point,

1136
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: you got to match yourself in a fight people don't

1137
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: think you can win. Is this the first one? Luke

1138
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: is this that first one? For real?

1139
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: I didn't know what to make of the Tyron Woodley fight.

1140
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I knew that Jake was probably picking it

1141
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 3: because he felt he had a reason to win and Tyron,

1142
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 3: like someone asked me in my live chat last week, like, oh,

1143
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 3: is there a comparison between Tyron Woodley and Tony Ferguson,

1144
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 3: And there are some similarities about the stage of the career.

1145
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 3: But the point I made back about Tony bcing, I

1146
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: think you would agree. In that first round against Channeler,

1147
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 3: he was throwing like he was throwing, and it wasn't

1148
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 3: throwing like what you saw from Woodley against Luke. It

1149
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: was strategic throwing. So that to me was a big difference.

1150
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: Like Tony showed some life in that first round and

1151
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 3: some thought and some into your to borrow your term

1152
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 3: intentionality that I thought, showcase something that you know, maybe

1153
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 3: maybe there's still something to to to.

1154
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: There that he can use.

1155
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't know what to make of what

1156
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 3: Tyrone was gonna do against Jake, And then having seen

1157
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 3: two of them, you have a much better sense, dude,

1158
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 3: I think, I.

1159
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: Mean, I guess I could be wrong.

1160
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 3: Listen, I've seen Anderson Silva in person, and we've had

1161
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 3: Jake in person. I was behind Anderson Silva in line

1162
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 3: the day after GSP fought Jake Shields in Toronto. We

1163
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 3: were in the security line at the airport together. He's

1164
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 3: a lot bigger than Jake.

1165
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: Now.

1166
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's bigger in like musculature. I

1167
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: don't know if he's bigger in that that kind of way,

1168
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 3: but his frame is certainly.

1169
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: Much bigger than Jake Paul's. I will say that.

1170
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 3: But dude, to answer the question, I think I think

1171
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 3: Anderson Silva beats him anyway he wants. Like I listen,

1172
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 3: I will say this, even if Jake Paul beats Anderson Silva,

1173
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 3: that has nothing to do with being able to beat

1174
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: like and winning a world title and like being a

1175
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 3: real boxer. To this point, he still wouldn't really be

1176
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: fighting someone who was just a boxer. But I'll say this, dude,

1177
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 3: no one thinks Anderson Silva, even at forty seven, is

1178
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: a chump.

1179
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: Nobody thinks that.

1180
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 3: Well, if Jake Paul beats Anderson Silva, even at forty seven,

1181
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean he's going to be a world champion

1182
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 3: in boxing.

1183
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: But dude, you would have to give him respect at

1184
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: that point.

1185
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: Especially if you've watched these you know each step of

1186
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 2: the way for Anderson. Now I guess you know. Look,

1187
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: teto Ortiz is a different level of opponent than a

1188
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: Jake Paul. Get dude, he fucking put it on teto

1189
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 2: Ortiz and got him the hell out of there, Like, uh,

1190
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: he can hit you with.

1191
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 3: Let me let me ask you, Let me ask you.

1192
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 3: Do you think Anderson in your heart of hearts?

1193
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: Real quickly?

1194
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 3: Because I just want to where your head's at Anderson

1195
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 3: Silva If you're advising Jake Paul, and maybe there's a

1196
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 3: different equation there, but just on peer fight terms, is

1197
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 3: Anderson Silva at this stage in boxing a bad fight

1198
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 3: for Jake Paul?

1199
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 2: You haven't looked at your options? Well? No, Look it's

1200
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 2: a it's the first fight that he not only could lose,

1201
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: he'd probably be favored to lose, like it'd be close.

1202
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 2: But you get the point of all the reasons. Why So,

1203
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: if there is a fight that gives you as or

1204
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 2: greater commercial viability with somebody who's not as dangerous, would

1205
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: you take it? Yeah, you probably would, and you probably should.

1206
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: But right now, Luke, I don't see a lot of

1207
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 2: like slam dunk names, Like I know he was talking

1208
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 2: to bispingg for a minute, Like there's no other real

1209
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: names outside of Mike Tyson. Right now, Where're like, oh shit,

1210
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: if they get that right, I mean, the Connor's not

1211
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 2: coming through that door, Masvidal, Nate, They're all tied up,

1212
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 2: probably strategically, so uh, this can't I do what?

1213
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 5: I mean?

1214
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: You can over your feet? What is happening.

1215
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: It's the biggest fight non Tyson commercially, but it would,

1216
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: it would shut everybody up, and eventually Jake's gonna have

1217
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 2: to shut everybody up. And because nobody cares about Tommy

1218
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: Fury and there's no other option. Dude, Jake Scott, I

1219
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 2: think he's do I think he's kind of been cornered here.

1220
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: It's time, It's time to do it. And Luke, I

1221
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: don't I don't subscribe to the idea that he's one

1222
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: thousand percent gonna lose and get knocked out. You know,

1223
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: he's a he's a strong young kid who's learned something,

1224
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: but he can the most. The key element here is

1225
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 2: what Woodley didn't have, who was smaller and had far

1226
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: less experience. Silva can legit catch him with things that

1227
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: Jake doesn't see coming, and that danger is either going

1228
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: to make Jake Paul go into a cocoon and have

1229
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 2: to ask himself on I content to lose the decision

1230
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: here so I don't get KOed, or is it gonna

1231
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: activate something and make Jake fight him? And if this

1232
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 2: turns into a fight, it's gonna be explosive and fun

1233
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 2: as shit, and Jake's probably gonna get knock the hell

1234
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 2: out Luke. So yeah, even though I just told you,

1235
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: I'm here saying Jake can win this fight, he can

1236
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: be in it. There's some potential self cash out element here.

1237
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: I mean, if he goes in there and loses but

1238
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 2: doesn't get knocked out, can Jake save his name in

1239
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: buying in market in value in brand.

1240
00:55:59,560 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: No.

1241
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: I think if he goes there and fights Anderson Silva

1242
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 3: and loses, and let's say, you know, I would imagine

1243
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 3: if he loses to Silva, like it wouldn't be barely.

1244
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 3: I would imagine that if he would lose, it would

1245
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 3: like either he's ready for this or this is a

1246
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 3: like this is the thing I'm you used a perfect description,

1247
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: which was he's kind of cornered.

1248
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: See this is the thing.

1249
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 3: The heat on the idea of fighting Tommy Fury has

1250
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 3: kind of faded. Fury just seems to be what he

1251
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 3: is and there's not a lot of demand for it.

1252
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: And he was waiting.

1253
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 3: You're right, he was waiting for Connor to walk through

1254
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: the door. Maybe Nate would get out of his UFC

1255
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 3: contract or something, or hey, who knows, something along those

1256
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 3: lines where they would get out of their contract and

1257
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 3: he could keep feasting on you know, older MMA fighters basically,

1258
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 3: and Anderson Silva fits that bill. Forty seven not really fighting

1259
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 3: MMA in these days. Yeah, that's the guy. But the

1260
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 3: problem with Anderson is, Dude, he is at forty seven still,

1261
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 3: especially for knuckleheads who've never really boxed boxed, He's a

1262
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 3: fucking nightmare. And I think if you end up taking

1263
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: this and let's say Silva really punishes him, dude, the

1264
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: Jake Paul boxing thing, I don't know if it goes

1265
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 3: away in one dose or something, but it would it

1266
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 3: would be potentially catastrophic for any future he has and

1267
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 3: wanted to get either the financial goals or any other

1268
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 3: goals in boxing.

1269
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, getting knocked out, it's over I'm just

1270
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: trying to imagine a scenario where he could be in

1271
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: the fight, have moments, lose by decision, yet it was

1272
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: kind of a fun fight and we go Okay, I'd

1273
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: see him box again. I think either way the chances

1274
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: are leaning more towards a loss than a win. But

1275
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: I think you got to take it if you're Jake.

1276
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: You because Jake has held up a side of the

1277
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 2: argument that says, I'm for real. Yeah, I'm a celebrity,

1278
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 2: I'm Disney, I'm disrupting boxing, but I also believe I'm

1279
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: for real. And unless you're gonna go fight for a

1280
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 2: world title, which he's not, and he shouldn't, unless you're

1281
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 2: gonna fight one Eddie Hern's pros who are like five

1282
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: and oher, and you probably shouldn't do that either. You'd

1283
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 2: probably lose. If you're gonna lose, lose with the biggest

1284
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: pay per view potential you have. So, Luke, if they

1285
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: think they can get the Mike Tyson fight, I'd say,

1286
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 2: don't fight Anderson. But if you don't think you actually

1287
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: can right now, it's got to be Silva. It's got

1288
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 2: to be Luke.

1289
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 3: I dude, I'm telling you, I think if he fights

1290
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 3: Silva Silva and listen, I've been wrong on Jake Paul

1291
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 3: a lot. You know, I guess you're right. We have

1292
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 3: to take seriously his possibility of winning.

1293
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: Bro.

1294
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 3: I think Silva tunes him up, and I think it

1295
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 3: would be like, oh, you took this fight because the

1296
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 3: other ones like Dana White, holding onto these guys as

1297
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 3: long as he has.

1298
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: You know, I don't agree with it.

1299
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 3: I think the fighter should have contracts that allow them

1300
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 3: a little bit more freedom of movement.

1301
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: But we are where we are.

1302
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 3: It would actually be something of a master stroke to

1303
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 3: force Jake Paul into a fight he was never going

1304
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 3: to be able to win basically, and then Silva goes

1305
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 3: in there and bludgeons him. And by the way, let's

1306
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 3: say this, if Silva goes in there and bludgeons Jake Paul.

1307
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 3: First of all, I mean, you want to talk about

1308
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 3: MMA fans showering Anderson Silva with praise, but realistically, BC,

1309
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 3: I will ask this, if he goes in there, it does.

1310
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 3: I'm not saying what it would mean in terms of like, oh,

1311
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 3: what kind of boxer could he beat? Rather what kind

1312
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 3: of fight could he get after that? In the boxing world?

1313
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 3: If he goes in there and demolishes Jake Paul Is

1314
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 3: there is there a real question.

1315
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: There, that's an interesting conversation that I don't think we've

1316
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: gone down that road. Dude. That would do a ton

1317
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: for Anderson's current brand in terms of getting a big one.

1318
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to see him against Tyson.

1319
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: So if you're going more towards retired or somewhat active,

1320
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 2: you know, some gaff dropping in Roy Jones Junior. I mean,

1321
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 2: that's and that's stream fight, and it always has been

1322
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: Interston's dream fight. But that fight's been washy in theory

1323
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 2: for a long time and right now it's gross as shit.

1324
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: So please don't do that, Please don't. I don't know.

1325
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: I just know that if he if they made this fight,

1326
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: I think indirectly, they would both benefit from Dana in

1327
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: getting involved indirectly and like openly cheering for Anderson and

1328
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: like because you know, Dana would be waiting by the

1329
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: trigger on his Twitter like he was when for Doom

1330
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 2: rolled up fad Or and and was just like, haha,

1331
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: send you know. Uh uh what did he call vadinklestum? Uh?

1332
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: What do they call vadem vadna dummy? Yes, that's right.

1333
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 2: Dana would have a field day with this that, Luke.

1334
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: You know right now him and him and Anderson aren't

1335
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: getting along. If I'm Dana, I give him the paper

1336
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: bag filled with three million as a thank you.

1337
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: You're thank you. I I just I'm telling you.

1338
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 3: Part of this is either Jake real is Either Jake

1339
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 3: is much better at boxing that even we realize, and

1340
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 3: we've been you know, front and center for his boxing fights,

1341
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 3: for better for worse. Either he is much better about

1342
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 3: that or he is or Dana White is pushing him

1343
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 3: into a fight. He is gonna get fucking bludgeoned. And

1344
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know what, You're.

1345
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, Jake's Jack's better than I think everyone realizes.

1346
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 2: Yet in every scenario in my head, it ends with

1347
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: him getting bludgeoned. You're right, Luke, this is a this

1348
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: is a no win. But what I would love if

1349
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 2: they did it this reason, it would really be Jake

1350
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 2: like going all in on. How could he could be?

1351
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 2: No more tricks up your sleeves, no more smoking mirrors,

1352
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: like like all freaking in. I am who I said,

1353
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 2: I am. Let's do this thing. Yeah, that element, Luke,

1354
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 2: I think is going to lead to sell, to make

1355
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 2: this a pay per view that you know it could

1356
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: it could surprise you and do nine hundred a million

1357
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 2: one point one two, right, I mean, it's it's this,

1358
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 2: This is real.

1359
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 3: Like the other Jake Paul fights, Like what was my

1360
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 3: criticism of my There was clearly a fan base he

1361
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 3: was pulling from. We were there in Cleveland, like we

1362
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 3: saw them like they were they were partly MMA fans,

1363
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 3: but partly not. It was definitely a weird There was

1364
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 3: like all these crypto kids chasing around Dave Portnoy's. He

1365
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 3: was walking around the concourse. It was a different fan base,

1366
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 3: like it was. It was something going on there. So

1367
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 3: I get that, but like we didn't know what we're

1368
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 3: gonna get with Tyron and boxing dide. You have seen

1369
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 3: what Silva can do, like you've seen it. You've seen

1370
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 3: it at this point, you know, this would be the

1371
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 3: first time I'd actually be like genuinely interested in the box.

1372
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 3: I was launched in the spectacle and the business of

1373
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 3: Jake Paul. This time I'd be like, wow, man, I

1374
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 3: really want to see what happens in this fight, and

1375
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 3: Silva would be the only one where I would maybe

1376
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 3: want to say that about. But I also feel like

1377
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 3: when Dana tells him you should go by Anderson Silva,

1378
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 3: that is Dana trying to craft a narrative and force

1379
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 3: certain things on him that I think Dana feels like

1380
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 3: that would fuck him up.

1381
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: And we'll see if it takes the bait.

1382
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if Anderson wins and suddenly Dana shows

1383
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 2: up in the cage with his arm around him and

1384
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 2: wearing a Zufa boxing shirt and Anderson suddenly becomes the

1385
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 2: face of this new pay per view brand that's going

1386
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: to disrupt the trailler market, and yeah, it's gonna be great.

1387
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: Last question, we'll move on. I swear does it sell

1388
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: a million buys?

1389
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think I think it does.

1390
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: I think it does. I think it does. Yeah, all right,

1391
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: last but not least.

1392
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 3: You know, we have to put in the rundown because

1393
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 3: it's a relevant story, but it kind of broke my

1394
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 3: heart a little bit. Junior Dos Santos gets back to

1395
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 3: action at Ego FC on Friday Ego FC forty seven,

1396
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 3: and he was doing pretty well for the most part,

1397
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 3: really well, and with the light kicks, he was chopping

1398
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 3: down Organ di Castro, but then threw a right hand

1399
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 3: and just randomly dislocated his shoulder, making it the fifth

1400
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,919
Speaker 3: TKO loss in a row for JDS BC. I'm gonna

1401
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 3: ask this question as plainly as I can.

1402
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: Time to retire, Yeah, I mean in a perfect world. Yeah,

1403
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 2: even though he's thirty eight and heavyweights can age very late.

1404
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 2: And I'm sure when he when he puts in a

1405
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 2: full camp and he looked to be in good shape

1406
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 2: here that he still feels like he can do things

1407
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 2: that he once did. But Luke, I mean, how many

1408
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 2: more KO loss? This may have been his body saving

1409
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 2: him from the inevitable further damage even on this level

1410
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 2: headlining Eagle FC right, and I know they're also trying

1411
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 2: to get him into a fight with fad Or And

1412
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 2: did it look I didn't watch this, to be fair,

1413
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 2: but I did see some criticism online. Tell me if

1414
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: it's if it's rightful or not that the broadcast is

1415
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 2: trying to push the idea of a crossover Belator pay

1416
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: per view fad Or versus JDS and that they were

1417
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 2: still kind of pushing it even with the injury. Is

1418
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 2: that true?

1419
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, the whole time I didn't.

1420
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess this Bellator and Ego FC thing

1421
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 3: is more involved than I realized. So first of all,

1422
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 3: Islam Mamodov, but I guess was on loan from Bellator,

1423
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 3: fought on this card. He won, So there you go.

1424
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 3: So they're already again, we've already talked about it. Be se,

1425
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 3: you know this as well as I do. The Scott

1426
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 3: Coker already had a talent very moderate, but a talent

1427
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 3: sharing program with Rising. Why wouldn't he have them with

1428
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 3: another promoter now Egle FC. I guess they got Islam

1429
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 3: Mamodov on there. The commentators would spend times and there

1430
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 3: was even be this one shot where it'd be like

1431
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 3: Camaru the play by play guy Chail and then Henry

1432
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 3: at the end, and they would spend minute upon minute

1433
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 3: talking about a potential fight with fat Or and what

1434
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 3: it would mean. They would talk about it all through

1435
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 3: the broadcast like they were clearly setting this up as

1436
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 3: a big thing. And then he just throws his right

1437
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 3: arm out.

1438
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,439
Speaker 2: Okay in theory if I was okay before he threw

1439
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 2: his arm out with the idea of doing this, and

1440
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: I kind of was, But to be fair, I'm more

1441
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 2: in love with the idea of rival promote Susan's theory

1442
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 2: rival right, teaming up, right, I am in favor of that.

1443
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 2: I think any MMA fan, anyone who's not the UFC

1444
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 2: kind of teaming up to help make big fights is

1445
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 2: a win for us. So the arm thing shouldn't so

1446
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 2: he asked me, should he should? He look, yeah, in

1447
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 2: a perfect world, he should walk away. He's accomplished a ton.

1448
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 2: Why take further punishment. But he is in a potential

1449
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 2: conversation to make money here, and Fador is also washed.

1450
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 2: I mean, Luke, it's like he's going to take the

1451
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 2: damage no matter where he takes it because he's still

1452
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 2: good enough to draw paycheck. And that's he is. He's

1453
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 2: still good enough to draw paycheck, Luke. But even on

1454
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 2: this level, he's gonna get hurt. I know, it's it's heartbreaking,

1455
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 2: but that's sort of the endgame, man.

1456
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: That's it, right, I mean, this is the thing for me.

1457
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, if you watch the punch, it was

1458
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 3: a stand like you know, he was rging to Casher

1459
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 3: was basically like real close up against the fence or

1460
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 3: right at it, and it was just a right hand

1461
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 3: that he was throwing down the pipe. And again he

1462
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 3: was you know he was chewing up You're going to

1463
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 3: cash for for the most part, and it just fell off.

1464
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, you know what that is. That's just

1465
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: old guy shit.

1466
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 3: You know, remember when DC almost had to pull out

1467
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 3: a fight because you sneezed and threw out his back.

1468
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 3: I've done that shit, I've done it where it's like

1469
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 3: when you're a kid, you can fall off the roof.

1470
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 3: When you're nearing forty, you can't even bend over to

1471
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 3: pick up a piece of paper without worrying about getting

1472
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 3: a wheelchair afterwards. Like it's just shit just breaks on

1473
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 3: you when you least expect it. The bottom drops out

1474
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 3: when you don't even realize it's going to drop out anymore.

1475
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 3: And so you know, I know, we see a lot

1476
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 3: of crazy things in MMA, And can I say affirmatively

1477
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 3: that this is some kind of age related medical situation.

1478
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: No.

1479
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 3: I mean, they'll leave that to his doctors and whatnot.

1480
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 3: But it has all the hallmarks of just the dude

1481
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 3: who's old.

1482
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: He just always been.

1483
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 3: Remember BC. It wasn't just that he had a lot

1484
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 3: of brutal fights with Caine. I mean the Cane Wars

1485
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 3: I think kind of changed him a little bit. But

1486
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 3: remember he had to pull out of one fight. I

1487
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 3: forget which one it was because he had rabdo myolysis

1488
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 3: or myliah eliasis or however you call it. They call

1489
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 3: it rabdough for short. That's when you've trained so hard

1490
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 3: you're now overtraining and you're almost poisoning yourself by virtue

1491
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 3: of how much you have overtrained. It's a serious condition,

1492
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 3: and I mean, this dude has punished himself to get

1493
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 3: to this point. So the answer the question about should

1494
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 3: he retire or not, I could see a case where

1495
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 3: there could be a little bit more because it wasn't

1496
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 3: like Jurgen de Castro was like destroying him and he's

1497
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 3: not still in the UFC if you can draw a

1498
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 3: paycheck and whatnot. But dude, quite obviously, your body is

1499
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:20,919
Speaker 3: I mean, I hate to put it in these terms

1500
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 3: because he has such a nice guy. Your body's falling apart,

1501
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 3: but his body's falling apart.

1502
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: It's just the way it's going. Because that's that's life. Dude.

1503
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: You can't you can't beat it. So retire immediately. I

1504
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: don't think that's the case, but pretty goddamn soon, yes.

1505
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 2: But there's a there's a creative bubble to make money.

1506
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 2: Could he end up in a Triller triad ring with

1507
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 2: Frank Maher He probably could.

1508
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: Luke, Yes, he could.

1509
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that there are some possibilities where he

1510
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 3: could still draw a big check.

1511
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: You could.

1512
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 3: You could sort of squint and say it's not the

1513
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 3: most medically dangerous thing he's ever done and has a

1514
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 3: reasonable chance at victory, Like, yeah, fine again for that.

1515
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 3: For that reason, I think the retirement question is not premature.

1516
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 3: It's certainly relevant to ask, but not not one where

1517
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 3: it's like, dude, you need to stop to day.

1518
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,919
Speaker 1: No, I'm not suggesting that, but I think.

1519
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 3: You would agree unless it does fit some kind of

1520
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 3: creative special situationally relevant you know, appropriate time and place.

1521
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 3: Then yeah, I don't know that he should be fighting,

1522
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 3: you know, professional mixed martial arts anymore.

1523
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,440
Speaker 2: Would you be opposed to Like remember in the clubhouses

1524
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball in the seventies and eighties, we'd

1525
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 2: read as kids that they would have giant jars of amphetamines.

1526
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 2: They'd have greenies and like people just walk by and

1527
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 2: take handfuls, and then they had the coffee pot. They

1528
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 2: would have the leaded and unleaded because it'd be infused

1529
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 2: with basically speed and meth. Would you be opposed to

1530
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 2: having something like that in the UFC that anybody could

1531
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 2: use just just just straight meth amphetamine on the way

1532
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 2: in Luke.

1533
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 1: Do you remember et ceterrin when they used to sell

1534
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: that at GNC, when I had when I had a

1535
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: federer in it.

1536
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not etc.

1537
01:08:59,040 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 1: What am I saying?

1538
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 2: No, you're saying, are you talking about? Uh the hell?

1539
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 2: What the hell is it called?

1540
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 3: They're still on the market these days, but like now

1541
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 3: they're No, he's talking about Jack, but that's not the

1542
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 3: one I'm talking about. Jacked had it too, But there

1543
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 3: were many that had it where dexadrin, Oh.

1544
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was one of them.

1545
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 3: Basically GNC had this thing called a Federa, this product

1546
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 3: that they and it was different labels for it and whatever.

1547
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 3: But uh then the people sort of dying from it,

1548
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 3: and then they had to recall it.

1549
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: But it was wild effect.

1550
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 2: I use it for a Let's call over the pros

1551
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 2: and cons of the of bringing a greeny drug to

1552
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: the locker room in the UFC. Now, the bad news

1553
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 2: is people will die of heart attacks in the cage

1554
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 2: like a prime Data five thousand the good news though, Luke,

1555
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 2: those those first two rounds are going to be incredible though.

1556
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they're gonna be money. They're gonna be money.

1557
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 3: The only thing I would say on this is BC,

1558
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 3: did you watch any of the other EGO FC fights?

1559
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 2: I saw, I saw a little bit here and there.

1560
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 2: I mean, did you like Hector Lombard Thiago Silva? Did

1561
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:04,839
Speaker 2: you like that? Luke? It was a no contest.

1562
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 3: No, I didn't care much for it. I mean, it's

1563
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 3: also another great situation too, right where he got rocked

1564
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 3: and then dropped and then the knee comes and the

1565
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 3: knee was illegal. But it's like you were the knee

1566
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 3: barely lands and it's like, well, what were you really

1567
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 3: hurt from? Like was it the punch that dropped you

1568
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 3: or the knee that kind of touched you?

1569
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: Ish?

1570
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 3: But because the rules basically work on the honor system,

1571
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 3: you can play that any way you want.

1572
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,839
Speaker 2: So, yes, there's no honor in the fight game, Luke.

1573
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 3: Well there is, but you know, I listen, if you

1574
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 3: ain't cheating, you ain't trying, So that's the way it goes,

1575
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 3: all right, But see that's it for our top five.

1576
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 3: With that in mind, we don't get to ask ourselves

1577
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 3: and each other questions anymore. It's time for answer their

1578
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 3: questions from the fans. It's time for dms from donks.

1579
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got male listeners.

1580
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: Listen, Luke.

1581
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 2: They're saying, our our producing team, who's well closer to

1582
01:10:58,479 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 2: the pillow.

1583
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: It wasn't suit a fed hold on, hold on to the.

1584
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 2: Pill abusing years than we are in theory, although knowing you,

1585
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 2: that's probably not true. But uh uh, I don't know

1586
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 2: which one it was, Luke.

1587
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:13,759
Speaker 3: But if I will tell you, uh it was, uh,

1588
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to look it up here.

1589
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: I'll go through a bit while I do that.

1590
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 3: Just give me a second here, yellow jacket was one

1591
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 3: of them, by the way. But okay, here we go

1592
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 3: from at it's not cage fighting BC. After Holly's performance,

1593
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 3: he wrote last night, but you know on Saturday is

1594
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 3: Jackson Wink finished as an camp What do you think?

1595
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: You know?

1596
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 2: They've seen better days, They've They've been the star of

1597
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 2: many plays, Luke, I'm not sure the bottom dropped out.

1598
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I mean, I mean, you know, in my head, look,

1599
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 2: it sounds just like it's gonna hit with a.

1600
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: Glorious flat two.

1601
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 3: I got the two I got the two products, hydroxy

1602
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 3: cut and zena dream.

1603
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: Those were the two. Those were the two.

1604
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 2: Got gotcha? Uh what we're talking about, Holly Holm?

1605
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, talking about Jackson? B See what is the can

1606
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 3: that is making all that noise?

1607
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 1: Sorry?

1608
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's my wedding ring hitting the water the water bottle.

1609
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 3: All show long. I'm like, what is this Billy goat

1610
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 3: chewing on over there?

1611
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 2: I see I live, but there's a constant flow of

1612
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 2: music playing in my head, Luke, and it drives me

1613
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 2: as a humans. I'm kind of like Bernie and Weekend

1614
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 2: at Bernie's too. Remember when he was dead, but every

1615
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 2: time reggae music came on, his body would just come

1616
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 2: to life, you know, Luke, I've got yeah, thanks, thanks love.

1617
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 3: Jackson is not finished, but b see what was the

1618
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 3: last time like a super elite person came out of there.

1619
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 3: They've got some good ones, but they don't have like.

1620
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 2: Off the top of your head, who's there that's still

1621
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 2: like a leader subly like Holly Aaron Pico, Luke, huh,

1622
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 2: Arlene Blencoe.

1623
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:58,839
Speaker 3: Yesh Dina bat Garrel is still there, I'm saying, Phil Hawes,

1624
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 3: Phil Hall. Yes, But the point being is they used

1625
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 3: to have like a super team where they had Yeah,

1626
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 3: they're not ten people all in the top three of

1627
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:07,879
Speaker 3: their respective divisions.

1628
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that era right now is over for them. It

1629
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's over for good, but they know they

1630
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 2: are not on the level of att of of who. Look,

1631
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 2: what are the power rankings right now, Luke, Right freaking now,

1632
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 2: top five power rankings MMA gyms on the spot. And

1633
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 2: if you say c KB number one without actually thinking

1634
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 2: about it.

1635
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 3: Luke, I'd say, I don't know if I have to

1636
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 3: do rankings, but the top three gyms that stand out

1637
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 3: as like consistently producing elite talent att all the ones

1638
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:41,520
Speaker 3: in Florida, so Att Stanford, MMA, Masters fordis mm A

1639
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:45,799
Speaker 3: AKA obviously CSA is another big one.

1640
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 2: Okay, But this, this has this has devolved into you

1641
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 2: just naming every gym you can think of, when what

1642
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 2: I was looking for was a ranking of hierarchy. I

1643
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 2: was looking for you to put those.

1644
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 3: You don't put those in your top m lab is

1645
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 3: another one. Yeah, those are those are? Those are five

1646
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 3: I think I named. You can rank those however you want,

1647
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 3: but those Okay.

1648
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 2: So you took an exercise, you flipped it upside down,

1649
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 2: exploited it, and then crushed it. So basically like you

1650
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 2: just did the exact opposite of the intention of it.

1651
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 3: BCEE. You do that to me almost every show. I

1652
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 3: just let it go, you know what I'm saying. Hold

1653
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 3: on my fucking Alexa or whatever this thing is that

1654
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 3: series comes on my ear.

1655
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,799
Speaker 1: Sorry, if you said something, I missed it, probably nothing anyway, Right.

1656
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 2: You'll just repeat it in a minute without knowing it. Luke,

1657
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 2: It's all right, Let's.

1658
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 3: Just keep it going, all right? From j D ncr one.

1659
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 3: This is the first UFC card where I didn't watch

1660
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 3: a single fight live probably in three years. Do you

1661
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 3: think quantity over quality will always benefit the company? Or

1662
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 3: does the UFC have something to gain by putting on better,

1663
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 3: less frequent cards.

1664
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 1: Motherfuckers. If y'all keep buying the pay per views, uh.

1665
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,600
Speaker 3: And they just get enough of the you know, the

1666
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 3: digit erates of you guys to watch these things whenever

1667
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 3: the fuck, then yeah, like they're gonna keep doing this

1668
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 3: shit like I don't know how.

1669
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 2: Yes, of course, did you hear the letter of the

1670
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 2: law there and the question or do they have something

1671
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 2: to gain? Yeah? Seven hundred and fifty million dollars. Basically,

1672
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 2: the foundational cornerstone of how the UFC operates is the

1673
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 2: ESPN TV deal, which has a minimum number of dates

1674
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 2: that they go out there and fulfill pandemic or not.

1675
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 2: And uh, it has it become watered down? Yeah, we

1676
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 2: also had this discussion back in twenty twelve. I remember,

1677
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 2: Luke when I was one of the ESPNMMA editors of like,

1678
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 2: oh my god, there's fight nights almost every weekend. The

1679
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,799
Speaker 2: you know, quality over quantity. Yeah, this is the direction

1680
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 2: that goes when you can get monster TV deals that

1681
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 2: allow you to expand and growth. So it's not great, Luke,

1682
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's been like pandemically bad. It's not

1683
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 2: a recurring theme. We get enough above and beyond loaded

1684
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 2: cards to never complain. But it happens, dude, it happens.

1685
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 3: Well, the UFC has clearly decided to go top heavy

1686
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,480
Speaker 3: on pay per views and then just let's keep divisions

1687
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 3: moving and give people fight con fights on contracts that

1688
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 3: we owe them on everything else. And then let's scale

1689
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 3: it as much as possible so that, I mean you

1690
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 3: to understand what they're doing. They have to have as

1691
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 3: much shows as they need a to move the divisions

1692
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 3: along and make sure everyone gets fights. But b if

1693
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 3: they want to have like growth in a certain market,

1694
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 3: they have to sign a bunch of those people. They

1695
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 3: have to give them fights. They might have to put

1696
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 3: a fight or a performance institute there. Like, there's a

1697
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 3: lot that goes into nurturing and developing a market. So

1698
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 3: you're asking, like why are these all these fights where

1699
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 3: like substandard quality or you know, just people don't care

1700
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 3: about them.

1701
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: There's a whole method to it.

1702
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 3: There's a whole reason about like, hey, if you want

1703
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 3: to have a women's division, let's say a one twenty five,

1704
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 3: it's more than just putting fights there. There's a lot

1705
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 3: that goes into it. I'm on signing other town that

1706
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 3: you can then feed into the pipeline and so forth.

1707
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 3: So but that's one problem. The other problem is, and

1708
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say this, like, dude, fight fans, you

1709
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 3: guys are the and I'm one of them too, bro,

1710
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 3: I get it, But like they're reliably indiscriminate, right, you

1711
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like every weekend there's going to

1712
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 3: be enough people who watch an ESPN card on our

1713
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 3: UFC on ESPN card, even it's on the plus side

1714
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,799
Speaker 3: of things, where's a streaming, there's enough degenerate fight fans

1715
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 3: to make it worth ESPN's while and therefore UFC's while

1716
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 3: to just trot that shit out there, because they'll they know,

1717
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 3: they fucking know, they're gonna sit down and watch.

1718
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: No matter what you change that up. They might change

1719
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: the other side of things up. But as long as that.

1720
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 2: Saying they have p ones, because Luke, you're like these motherfuckers, man,

1721
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 2: they'll they'll watch me tickle my buttthole for an hour

1722
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 2: and a half if that's all I was given them.

1723
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 2: You know, have you ever tried.

1724
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: To tickle my buttthole for an hour and a half?

1725
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we doing with our lives? BC?

1726
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 1: I'm a forty two year old man. What are we doing?

1727
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 2: But you get the point, you get the you know,

1728
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 2: you get the analogy I was I was creating there.

1729
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 3: It's dark, you know, we see, I feel like I

1730
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 3: got a low energy BC?

1731
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: Are you okay to.

1732
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 2: You're accusing me of low t Luke? Is that what's

1733
01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 2: going on right now?

1734
01:17:58,560 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: We do have a do we have a low team?

1735
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: See what happened here?

1736
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 3: No?

1737
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 2: I thought you know, I thought I was I was

1738
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 2: you know, the star of the show, cruising along just fine, Luke,

1739
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 2: am I not going to win?

1740
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: See you always think you're the star of the show.

1741
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 3: I have to tell I mean and when I say

1742
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 3: a show, I just mean your daily life just walking

1743
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 3: into rooms.

1744
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 2: Well that's good.

1745
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 1: You know.

1746
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 2: My wife's always like, oh, can you please not use

1747
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,759
Speaker 2: your podcast voice in the house. Really, it's my life voice, Okay,

1748
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 2: they just happen to turn it.

1749
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 3: I have the same fight with my wife. She's like,

1750
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 3: you don't have to talk to me like you're on

1751
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 3: the radio. You don't have to talk to me that way,

1752
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 3: you know. And I'm like, I'm not talking to you

1753
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 3: like I'm on the radio. I'm just talking to you normal,

1754
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 3: you know.

1755
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always get to stop interviewing me. I always

1756
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 2: get that, yeah, you stop interviewing me. That always like

1757
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 2: it always feels like you're interviewing me.

1758
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, she always tells me, I'm not one

1759
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: of your listeners. I'm not one of them, you know,

1760
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 1: all right? From Ilia seven four five s Andre war.

1761
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 2: Right, because we bang our listeners.

1762
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: You know, we should just have a podcast where we're like,

1763
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: we find the very I'm going to do, don't do it?

1764
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 1: You know where I was going? All right?

1765
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 3: Andre Ward versus Canelo from Ilia seven four five andre

1766
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 3: Ward versus Canelo Not so bad now, huh BC.

1767
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, it's one of my dream fights of the moment. That's,

1768
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 2: you know, loosely possible, but I feel like it's a

1769
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 2: common It was like a year and a half ago. Thing,

1770
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 2: year and a half ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this would

1771
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 2: be the greatest fight ever. Andre Ward was a little younger.

1772
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 2: Never say never, but yes, Luke, this is fantastic. But

1773
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 2: the point of the question was would the larger, more

1774
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:37,719
Speaker 2: skilled Ward be able to use that to slow down

1775
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 2: the freight train that is Canelo? Well, beev all just did, Luke.

1776
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 2: So yeah, does that make you? Does that give you

1777
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 2: any more confidence that had this fight happened a year

1778
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 2: ago andre Ward versus Canelo, that Ward could have won.

1779
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 1: No.

1780
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 3: I think Wards probably passed it. But I think in

1781
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:54,719
Speaker 3: a prime you're asking like prime Ward.

1782
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 2: No, I'm not asking prime Ward. I'm asking come out

1783
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 2: of three four year retirement Ward.

1784
01:19:59,400 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 5: No.

1785
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 3: I honestly think that if he could have and there

1786
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 3: was like real money for it, he would have. And

1787
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 3: I just don't know. I don't Prime is a different conversation,

1788
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 3: but this one, no, all right from at Tony dot

1789
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 3: I think it's Tony Dot G eight three zero five.

1790
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 3: It's about this motherfucker's password to his account. How many

1791
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 3: more of Floyd's charades? I think he says, do we

1792
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 3: need to see because the question doesn't make sense as

1793
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 3: it's written before. It affects his legacy.

1794
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: BC. None of this shit is going to affect him, dude,

1795
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: none of it.

1796
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 2: In fact, all of our heroes in the history of boxing,

1797
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 2: going back, you know, one hundred years or so, they've

1798
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 2: done this and much much more. I mean, they've done

1799
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 2: so much pro wrestling or fantasy exhibitions or whatever, which

1800
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 2: Floyd's done pro wrestling as well, and he actually did it.

1801
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 2: Let's give Floyd credit. You did a WrestleMania Magic against

1802
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 2: the Big Show at WrestleMania twenty four, two thousand and eight.

1803
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 2: That was like, actually pretty damn entertaining compared to like

1804
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 2: what Tyson Fury tried to do a couple of years ago,

1805
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, but no, Luke. It's the same

1806
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 2: conversation when Roy Jones was taking a bunch of l's

1807
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 2: in his forties, you know, because the basically Roy Jones's

1808
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 2: career when I'm like twelve thirteen years too long and

1809
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,679
Speaker 2: you're like, okay, how many losses as too many losses

1810
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 2: where when we hear the name, we won't think of

1811
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 2: the pomp for pound Gray anymore. And at the end

1812
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 2: of the day, unless you're somebody who's using your exit

1813
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:27,919
Speaker 2: from the sport as a strategic way to inflate your legacy,

1814
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 2: like Habib, who's not doing it for that reason. But

1815
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 2: Habib walking away undefeated has a case for goat ship.

1816
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 2: We've never seen him compromise, right, He's always going to

1817
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 2: have that case. Unless you're doing that. It doesn't really

1818
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 2: matter what you do at the end of your career life.

1819
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 2: It really doesn't short of you know, short of becoming

1820
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 2: Ray Caruth, right, Luke, it doesn't really matter.

1821
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, a he's not losing these things, you know,

1822
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 3: number one to their exhibitions or whatever the hell they are. Like,

1823
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 3: if you want to see someone who had their legacy

1824
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 3: change and I watched it happen over the years, it

1825
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 3: would be bj Penn. Dude, you if you didn't live

1826
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 3: through it, this is almost impossible to believe. But at

1827
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 3: the end of his like he never had like long

1828
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 3: winning streaks because he was constantly doing all this crazy stuff,

1829
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 3: changing orgs, changing weights, you name it. But like at

1830
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 3: his peak, like after Diego Sanchez, if I had told

1831
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 3: that you, however long it's been since then, ten fifteen years,

1832
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 3: whatever it is, that we'd be in this particular place.

1833
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 3: Forget the governor run just like what he is viewed

1834
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 3: as as a fighting figure by the general public, you

1835
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:28,799
Speaker 3: would have never in a million years believed it. Ruining

1836
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 3: a legacy requires you to on the record, so in

1837
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:35,799
Speaker 3: pro actual fights while you're still trying to do something

1838
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 3: losing there, and he did that, oh for like ten

1839
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 3: years basically that I'm not gonna say ruin it overall,

1840
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 3: but b see that huge losing streak. Now, you have

1841
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 3: to weigh that against all of the many like genius

1842
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 3: moments that he had, and he did have genius moments

1843
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 3: in his combat sports career. That's that's affecting a legacy.

1844
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 3: Fucking often fighting guys at the top of a helipad.

1845
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeah it's annoying or whatever, but it didn't do shit

1846
01:22:59,360 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 3: to his legacy.

1847
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, look are we at the point now where

1848
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 2: when these pop up, we go, uh, yeah, from a

1849
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 2: competitive sports standpoint o for sure. But let's give Floyd

1850
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 2: made a credit. Like he's found a way to consistently

1851
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 2: rob the same bank over and over again. And you

1852
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 2: know the guys in history, like I said, have done

1853
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 2: it like this or worse. And you know he's not

1854
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 2: taking punishment. I mean, looke, Joe Lewis ended up being

1855
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 2: a greeter at the door of casino in Las Vegas

1856
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 2: for the end of his life. Like, it's usually way

1857
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 2: worse off than this for fighters if he's found this

1858
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 2: income stream off of his greatness.

1859
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 1: Like, dude, I didn't know that about Joe Lewis. Is

1860
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: that true? He really?

1861
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? And you know like they, I mean, he's just

1862
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 2: a paycheck just yeah. I mean, look, dude, there's way

1863
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,440
Speaker 2: worse endings. But you know that's damn.

1864
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 3: Dude, that's I broke my heart to hear that. Goll Lee, dude,

1865
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 3: that is terrible. Well anyway, that's what it means, Floyd

1866
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 3: just having some fun.

1867
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah you can.

1868
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 3: Here's also what undercut what drives this pc AMIM fans

1869
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 3: hate Floyd. They fucking hate Floyd and they're dying for

1870
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 3: something to take him down a peg. But what you

1871
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 3: often realize is dude, Floyd. Floyd is the casino. Dude,

1872
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 3: the casino. You know, it doesn't win like all the

1873
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 3: small little things all the time, but the house always wins.

1874
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 1: Man. He just always makes bets where he knows he's

1875
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: gonna win. So there you go.

1876
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 3: All right, lastly for me at Sidwell, Jeff, do you

1877
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 3: go to Sidwell Friends, the local school here in DC

1878
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 3: where the Obamas and the trump went. Yeah, the Baron

1879
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 3: Trump went there and the Obama kids. All right, I'm

1880
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 3: sure that all the kids there don't come from rich families.

1881
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: Couldn't be that. All right, here we go. This is

1882
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: for Luke, who wins World's Strongest Man in Sacramento, California

1883
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: this upcoming week. Who wins the deadlift portion of the event?

1884
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:44,799
Speaker 1: You know, I have to tell you, I don't know exactly.

1885
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 3: Novakov had a strong run a little while ago, but

1886
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 3: obviously with the war in Ukraine and everything else, he's

1887
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 3: kind of not had the best performances, although he had

1888
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 3: poor performances before that. Martinz Lisis was on or Alesis

1889
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 3: was on off for a long time, and I thought

1890
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 3: he came back and looked amazing at the Arnolds, Tom Stultman.

1891
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 3: It will be another one, obviously, would have to say

1892
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 3: it would be you know, on the short list, But

1893
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with my man Martinez. I think Martinez

1894
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,520
Speaker 3: is gonna get it done. He looks to be rejuvenated.

1895
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 3: He's pulling eight hundred for reps these days on behine.

1896
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 2: Is martinz clean?

1897
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: Dude?

1898
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 3: Nobody at the highest level of a super heavy strong

1899
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 3: man is even trying to be drug free. Why the

1900
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 3: fuck would you? You couldn't win. You couldn't win, It

1901
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 3: would be impossible. And also as a spectator, I want

1902
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 3: to be very clear about this. I don't give a

1903
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 3: fuck if they use. In fact, I prefer it.

1904
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 2: What do you think that how much does that lower

1905
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 2: your life expectancy to have a career in powerlifting in

1906
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 2: which you like juice to the gilds.

1907
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 1: This isn't powerlifting, This is strong man. This is a

1908
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 1: little bit different.

1909
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 3: Okay, So for folks who don't know weightlifting, Olympics two

1910
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 3: movements natural clean and jerk, powerlifting, bench, deadlift, and squat.

1911
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 3: This will have some squatting, will definitely have the deadlift,

1912
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 3: but then it's got all kinds of carries pulling the trucks,

1913
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 3: you know, you name it, the lifting of the logs

1914
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 3: and shit like that's got all kinds of different stuff.

1915
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 1: The Viking press. Yeah yeah, I know, I know you're

1916
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: joking on these motherfuckers. They would tear your head off

1917
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,839
Speaker 1: with their fucking bare hands.

1918
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, I should watch myself then, Luke.

1919
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:19,639
Speaker 1: You know I would say who wins the deadlift portion?

1920
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 3: I'm not sure who won the last one. I'll probably

1921
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 3: go Martinez though, I think Martinez is a very strong puller,

1922
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:27,560
Speaker 3: so we'll see.

1923
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 1: There you go, BC.

1924
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 3: I know that the jokes from high school still make

1925
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 3: you laugh. I just want you to know, as somebody

1926
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 3: who hasn't had their head caved in with a tire iron,

1927
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 3: you are an idiot.

1928
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 1: I just want you to know that.

1929
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't say anything, Luke, I don't know

1930
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 2: where this is going, see.

1931
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 3: Because you're the kind of guy in class who's like,

1932
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 3: all right, and now we're welcome to sex education for

1933
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 3: you know whatever high school kids or whatever. And you're like,

1934
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 3: let's talk about the the gonads and you're like, gonads.

1935
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, this thing on testes? Yeah, here you go.

1936
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 1: Wow, you know dude, The problem is, I know you

1937
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 1: too well.

1938
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 2: You just have a bipolar reaction to great comedy. You know,

1939
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 2: sometimes you're you're about about it, like Chewbacca that other

1940
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 2: times you're like, that's not nice.

1941
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:17,600
Speaker 1: Bro.

1942
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 3: I watched I watched the Han solo movie again this weekend.

1943
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 3: There's a scene in there where they roll up into

1944
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,759
Speaker 3: the first meeting with Dryden what was his name, Dryden Vas.

1945
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: Or whatever the fuck his name was, and uh.

1946
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 3: They're like and Han Soul was like, yo, Chewie, keep

1947
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 3: it cool, and chs like, who the fuck are you

1948
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 3: talking to?

1949
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: Bitch? I keep it cool around here.

1950
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 3: And then Han's like, hey, let's go over here, and

1951
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:39,600
Speaker 3: chew He's like no, I'm headed to the bar and

1952
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 3: just leaves him and just went to the bar. And

1953
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 3: then they showed Chewbacca double fisting at the bar. Dude,

1954
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:48,759
Speaker 3: Chewbacca never got his own movie. Fucking crime crime.

1955
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's still time. They're doing movies on everyone.

1956
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 2: Prequels after Quills, Yeah, Peter Kueely, they're doing it all.

1957
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,640
Speaker 2: Look all right, uh looke, I got this segment I

1958
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 2: do every Monday. Shout to our guy gaff Pierre who

1959
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 2: puts his hands in the shit and separates it and

1960
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 2: finds the kernels of gold. I scoured the globe right

1961
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,640
Speaker 2: the highs, lows, the good, the bad, the ugly, the

1962
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 2: in between, combat sports and beyond they call it. Have

1963
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 2: you seen this shit? All right, Luke, you never know

1964
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 2: with these things. We'll see if they hit. Let's go

1965
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 2: Showtime Championship Boxing from Glendale, Arizona. Luke. Jorge Cota in

1966
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 2: this co main event to end the round against Jolis

1967
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 2: jo Elvis Gomez. Watch referee Wes Melton here. Well, oh shit,

1968
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,879
Speaker 2: that's a chin checker right there, Luke, you see.

1969
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: That, bro.

1970
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 3: I like how this dude's name is a sentence you'd

1971
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 3: hear in Vegas at three am, yo Elvis.

1972
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 1: To dad. Joke. But still that is I liked it.

1973
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:51,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, A little right hook to the chin. It actually

1974
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 2: caught him right on the microphone underneath his chin, so

1975
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 2: had a good effect on the broadcast.

1976
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:56,719
Speaker 1: There.

1977
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 2: Let's keep the countdown moving here, Luke. Ice Wars held

1978
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 2: their first fighting pay per view this past weekend. Remember

1979
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 2: the Danbury Trashers minor league hockey team that had the

1980
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 2: documentary and the mafia influence, and Luke, there were brothers

1981
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 2: in this one. Jordan Kennedy knocking out big bro Ben Kennedy.

1982
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 2: You into this or does this give you a little

1983
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 2: gross feeling?

1984
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? So it's hockey fights, just no hockey, it's just hock.

1985
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. They're on skates and they're brothers in this case.

1986
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 3: So Eric mcgracken, who is a combat sports he has

1987
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 3: the website combat Sports, a lawyer or combat sports law,

1988
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 3: whatever it is. He's an attorney out of Canada. He

1989
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 3: was saying that it's arguably illegal, so enjoy it while

1990
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:40,719
Speaker 3: it lasts.

1991
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 2: I guess it's ambitious, Luke. Speaking of ambitious, let's go

1992
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 2: to this money grabber, Floyd Mayweather, who was out on

1993
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 2: Ya's Fight Island there in Abu Dhabi for his exhibition. Luke,

1994
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 2: this fight was so in the bag that he practices

1995
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 2: dance skills between rounds.

1996
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: Your thoughts, I mean, he's just clowning.

1997
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 2: He went on to mop up Don Moore over eight rounds,

1998
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 2: as expected, Luke, I was watching this. I don't think

1999
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 2: Don Moore went for it. I think somebody told him

2000
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 2: it was an exhibition, you know what I mean?

2001
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:14,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably the paycheck.

2002
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, where's we got highlights of Don Moore

2003
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:20,719
Speaker 2: getting mopped up? Oh? Yeah, here's here's a little taste

2004
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 2: of the action. Luke from the local Dubai government who

2005
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 2: tweeted this out.

2006
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 1: He was trying to Philly shell on Floyd, really.

2007
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 2: Jesus, Luke. Also Floyd giving a hand to the ring girls.

2008
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 2: I'm not sure ring girls are allowed even in this

2009
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 2: part of the world, Luke. But Floyd took over that

2010
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:42,719
Speaker 2: job during his fight as well.

2011
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: That's nice of them, that's helpful. That's great you for this.

2012
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:51,639
Speaker 2: I guess so you mentioned forty seven year old Anderson

2013
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 2: Silva put a baiton on Bruno Machado of Brazil. Here's

2014
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 2: a little sample of.

2015
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: It, Luke. Oh yeah, we didn't. We didn't get to

2016
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 1: see the right hand boom boom.

2017
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 3: He just hit him with the old body the river

2018
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 3: roasters bop, turns his head with that one.

2019
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:06,759
Speaker 1: That was nice.

2020
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 2: I wonder if he takes, you know, speed off the

2021
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 2: fastball when he's just tapping you, Luke, and then he

2022
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:11,839
Speaker 2: comes through with the finisher.

2023
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, change speeds on him. It's absolutely part

2024
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 3: of throwing shots like that, changing speed, changing rhythms, of course.

2025
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 2: Like like a prime Darryl Kyle rip right, Luke, sure,

2026
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 2: all right? If you like that. You're in luck, Luke,

2027
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 2: We've got more urine content. Check this out.

2028
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 1: I hate this guy now.

2029
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 2: I told you I'd never put him on this show

2030
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 2: again because this guy's a creeper and a half.

2031
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:45,719
Speaker 1: But this is pretty guy. This guy.

2032
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 3: I hate his micro penis, I hate his luck at

2033
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 3: my crotch jokes. I hate I hate everything about this guy.

2034
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 1: I really do.

2035
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 2: Could you stop the hey please, Luke Ohs go to

2036
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 2: UFC Fight Night from Las Vegas. Luke, I hope you're

2037
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 2: doing extra credit on one Bang Bang Naku Juni because

2038
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 2: chet cheety bang Bang said, our boy, dou just go

2039
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 2: to the uh to the dark end. Wow.

2040
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 3: Wow, dude. That was so fucking brutal. This was my favorite.

2041
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:19,640
Speaker 3: When I say favorite fight, I don't mean that the

2042
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 3: fight was like super competitive for long stretches in that way,

2043
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 3: but like you know, when I think about the fights

2044
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 3: of the weekend that brought me the most entertainment and joyed,

2045
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 3: this would be number one for me.

2046
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 2: That's funny because I tried to hype this fight up

2047
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 2: when we were previewing it. Remember that, Luke, and you

2048
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 2: were like, You're like, BC, really, Augusto Segui again, we're

2049
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 2: doing this. We're gonna talk about.

2050
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 3: Not say Augusto Sakhai. I did poo poo it. I'll

2051
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 3: eat a little shit for it. But at the same time,

2052
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 3: I was trying to keep a clock. It wasn't like

2053
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 3: I thought the fight sucked. I was just trying to

2054
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 3: keep a clock, that's all, Luke.

2055
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 2: Eric Anders, your boy was back at it. Luke. Here's

2056
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 2: a nice need of the balls from on a park

2057
01:32:52,439 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 2: Young Jong. Oh god, Oh yeah, that's not that's not

2058
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 2: I mean, that's flush, dude, that's first terrible.

2059
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:06,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, when they collapse like they it takes a lot

2060
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 3: for a grown man to collapse.

2061
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 1: Yeahs balls, you know.

2062
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, you're right. All right. Let's go over

2063
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 2: to Las Vegas top ranked boxing. Luke. In the main event,

2064
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 2: Kazakhstan's jenebec Alan Knooley with the one punch ko on

2065
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 2: Danny Dingham. Here watch this uppercut ar.

2066
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 3: Oh that he just absolutely crushes him with that left hand.

2067
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:31,759
Speaker 2: Right, dude, he's from Kazakhstan. He's he's now an interim

2068
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 2: middleweight title holder, so it's a bullshit belt. But he's

2069
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 2: for real, Luke, And this was you know, he wasn't

2070
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,639
Speaker 2: fighting a world beater. But this is what you can

2071
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 2: expect moving forward from old JANEB.

2072
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 1: What weight class was this?

2073
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,600
Speaker 2: This was one sixty for an interim okay, you know

2074
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 2: secondary title there also on this card. Luke shout out

2075
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 2: to the fighting marine Jamel Herring, who actually retired called

2076
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 2: it a career at age thirty six following his loss

2077
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 2: to Jermaine Ortez in the Cole main event. Luke, you

2078
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:00,600
Speaker 2: see the tweets there. I love this sport, but I

2079
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 2: owe it to my family to quit putting them through

2080
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 2: these moments. Thank you all, whether you were with or

2081
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:07,719
Speaker 2: against me, you made me who I am. But it's time,

2082
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 2: simprified to loop. He said, it's time to move on

2083
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 2: and spend more time with the family. Luke, that's a

2084
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:16,679
Speaker 2: stand up man right there. A former world champion as well.

2085
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a good career. He had a good career.

2086
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 3: He wasn't the very very best that we saw of

2087
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 3: his generation, but I mean there's just simply no denying

2088
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 3: he excelled. He won a world title, He had a

2089
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 3: great career. He made some made some decent money, had

2090
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 3: some big fights, no doubt about it.

2091
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:31,599
Speaker 1: He should go up with his head to hell high

2092
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 1: he went.

2093
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 2: To Europe and knocked Carl Frampton out and retired him.

2094
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's pretty bad. That's pretty damn bad.

2095
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 3: And you know, he got questioned a little bit along

2096
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 3: the way for his heart, and I thought answered all

2097
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 3: those questions. You know, again, there was a limit to

2098
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 3: how good he could be against Jakur Stevenson, fair enough,

2099
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 3: you know that that wasn't that wasn't in the cards

2100
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:49,720
Speaker 3: for him.

2101
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: But he proved a lot. He did a lot in

2102
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 1: his fear. This is what I mean.

2103
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 3: It's like, dude's he gonna go in the Hall of Fame. No,

2104
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 3: he had a very good career, very good.

2105
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 2: Not anybody, not everybody wanted to send him out so happily.

2106
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 2: Here's Chris Primetime Colbert reacting to the performance on social media.

2107
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,759
Speaker 2: You need to stick to your military services instead of boxing.

2108
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 1: So what is that beef about?

2109
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 2: Right?

2110
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 1: What is the beef?

2111
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. He's just like, you need to stick

2112
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:17,680
Speaker 2: to military. I thought that was, you know, dancing on

2113
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 2: the guy's grave a bit. But that's final, Okay.

2114
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 1: I think you honestly found that for no other reason

2115
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 1: than I also was a marine, and you wish that

2116
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 1: when I got out of service. Someone else would dance

2117
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: on my grave. I got out.

2118
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 2: You need to stick to that marine shit. Okay, you

2119
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 2: don't know shit about fights.

2120
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 4: Uh, Luke?

2121
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 2: You did you see you on Blohovich? Remember he got

2122
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 2: he got jabbed in the eye there by Rackage. He's

2123
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 2: gonna need eye surgery. Let's hear him talk about the

2124
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 2: kind of drugs you get for this, Luke.

2125
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm the drugs they give it to me, and I

2126
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 1: enjoy it very much. I'm still.

2127
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 2: I mean, what if Yan was one of us? Apparently

2128
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 2: he is? Luke?

2129
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 3: Okay, dude, we got to get him on room service

2130
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 3: diaries and be like, yoh, do you want to eat

2131
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 3: these brownies with us?

2132
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 1: Or what?

2133
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 2: Actually, he'd be fanta. Look are we doing another room

2134
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:16,680
Speaker 2: service diaries this week? It's gonna air? Is that the thing?

2135
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 1: It might? It might? It might? I think?

2136
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:19,559
Speaker 2: All right, stay tuned.

2137
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 1: We mentioned we're gonna watch JDS. There was fucking arm

2138
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:22,559
Speaker 1: out here.

2139
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:25,839
Speaker 2: Yeah here it is Eagle f C forty seven from Miami.

2140
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 2: Dandy stigerha was there. Uh, Junior Dosantos's shoulder was.

2141
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 1: Just I mean, I guess because it got deflected a

2142
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 1: little bit. It got dislocated but locked. This's this old manship,

2143
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: old man.

2144
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,480
Speaker 2: It is, your body's trying to tell you something there, JDS.

2145
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 2: Let's go over to Machi Patolo on the undercard though.

2146
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 2: Do you see this sick ko of Usher.

2147
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:52,559
Speaker 3: Luke, he retired all look at that face first and

2148
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 3: then was right, a good good by the way, great

2149
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 3: ref stoppage in terms of how quickly he got there.

2150
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,000
Speaker 3: Do he retired this guy? The guy left his glove

2151
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 3: in the in the cage when he left, and Patolo

2152
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 3: fucking put it on him.

2153
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 2: Bro, Yeah, this guy. Yeah, I mean shout out to

2154
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 2: Usher there, tough fall, but uh that's a good win.

2155
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe Patolo gets a gets another look.

2156
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 1: Luke from the what's your favorite Usher song?

2157
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if I'm dancing, it's yeah, without question.

2158
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 2: But Luke, you know you make me wanta came on

2159
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 2: the radio the other day, you know, remember that nineties.

2160
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:26,680
Speaker 1: Like that.

2161
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 2: Something like that. That ship came on and I had, dude,

2162
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 2: I I fucked, I jacked the radio up. I mean

2163
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 2: I was that dude in the Indo Indigo Orange super

2164
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 2: Cross check. But Luke, I was like, you make me

2165
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 2: wand up? Yeah right, you know what I mean, Luke.

2166
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 1: I was more a genuine wah wah wah wah wah wah.

2167
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 1: Remember that ship from high school? I do?

2168
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 2: I do, Luke. Look, do you know what the song

2169
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 2: of my senior year was? I thought, I thought of

2170
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 2: this one. I it on the radio the other day.

2171
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 2: Uh I love no well No the from Marci Playground,

2172
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 2: same same year, by the way, the damn Fuji's hit

2173
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 2: the uh you know, you know, strum of My Pain,

2174
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:13,360
Speaker 2: you know one time, you.

2175
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 1: Know, drum in my pain, the Roberta What's Her Face? Song?

2176
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, no doubt, that was the song of my

2177
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 2: senior year, Luke, what about you?

2178
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:24,719
Speaker 3: So the song that they played at like, okay, okay

2179
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 3: when you say like song of the high school year?

2180
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 3: So I graduate high school ninety eight, Like you have

2181
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 3: to remember where I was living at the time. So

2182
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:35,879
Speaker 3: this was Atlanta, Georgia, and you know, Casey and Jojo

2183
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 3: were big in Atlanta. I mean they were fucking huge obviously.

2184
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 3: So they had that song, Oh my laugh a wit

2185
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 3: for someone like you, that one one that was huge.

2186
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 1: My senior year. So yeah, that.

2187
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 2: One, Yeah, that was pretty I mean I hated it.

2188
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 1: I hated it. I was listening to other Ship, but

2189
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 1: you know, yeah.

2190
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, I'm listening to death Ship. But those

2191
01:38:57,880 --> 01:38:59,799
Speaker 2: other people liked it. No, look, it was the prevailing

2192
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 2: song from that year. And then we lost our senior

2193
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 2: trip because we refused as a class to sit down

2194
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 2: for the photographer. He was like this foreign guy and

2195
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 2: he was like, one more time, if you stand up,

2196
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:12,679
Speaker 2: I will not take this picture. So of course everybody

2197
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 2: stood up, and he came running out and through like

2198
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 2: he got pissed. So we did a field day in

2199
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 2: the rain instead, and they just played this that song

2200
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 2: over and over. It was like the DJ had like

2201
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 2: three records with him, so he just kept playing it.

2202
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 3: Well, listen, I would like to say that you you know,

2203
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 3: I felt bad for you. But remember I went into

2204
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:32,480
Speaker 3: a waffle house and fired a twenty into the jukebox

2205
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:35,599
Speaker 3: and played nothing but waffle house songs and then walked out.

2206
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 2: So, dude, I love that because I used to have

2207
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:40,760
Speaker 2: this thing where we'd go out in Waterbury to like

2208
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 2: the more urban club bars, and I'd just go right

2209
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 2: in and put same thing like twenty bucks and do

2210
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 2: like Jimmy Hendrick's greatest hits and people would be like, yo,

2211
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 2: who do this, and they'd be like trying to find

2212
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 2: out who who was the one who did it? Luke,

2213
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:54,720
Speaker 2: all right, it was me.

2214
01:39:55,080 --> 01:40:02,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, awesome, I did so much degenerate shiit.

2215
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 2: I know we could do a whole podcast on it.

2216
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:05,880
Speaker 2: People would never listen to us again.

2217
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 1: It'd be great.

2218
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 2: Also, on this Eagle card, Luke Roosevelt Roberts, he takes

2219
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 2: al Meda here and slam right. He's like, let me

2220
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:19,559
Speaker 2: dig your grave with your head here.

2221
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 1: This is great.

2222
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 2: Wow, that's it.

2223
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:22,880
Speaker 1: Don't hold onto the arm bar.

2224
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:27,599
Speaker 2: That's some brutal ship right there, Luke. Everybody loves boxing,

2225
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 2: but you know who really does. Portland Trailblazer's guard Damian Lillard,

2226
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 2: huge time, huge time boxing Twitter fan.

2227
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:38,599
Speaker 1: He actually has pretty good boxing takes read I do,

2228
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 1: I do?

2229
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:41,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I've seen him be interviewed a few times

2230
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 2: by boxing media as well. This is him working on

2231
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:46,560
Speaker 2: his ship. Did you see him in the Ryan Garcia

2232
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:47,879
Speaker 2: Gatorade commercial?

2233
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:52,720
Speaker 3: This is called a slip line. Did I see him

2234
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 3: the Ryan Garcia Gateory commercial?

2235
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 4: No?

2236
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 1: I did not. I didn't think it's Gatorade.

2237
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 2: The two of them are in the same commercial. They're

2238
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:59,000
Speaker 2: in a boxing gym. Yeah, it's pretty good.

2239
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:01,679
Speaker 1: That sounds fun.

2240
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 3: I guess maybe, but all right, I will say I

2241
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 3: will say credit to him.

2242
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 1: He is a real boxing fan, like real, real role.

2243
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Let's talk about Terrence Crawford here. Let's throw to

2244
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 2: the sound here. Here's Terrence Crawford on the porter Way

2245
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:16,799
Speaker 2: podcast where Sean Porter asked him, you know, if Spence

2246
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:17,799
Speaker 2: happening this year.

2247
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:19,479
Speaker 1: How confident you this fight happened.

2248
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:25,919
Speaker 4: I'm always one hundred percent this year for sure, this year, okay,

2249
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 4: okay in Vegas, And like I said, I'm in what

2250
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 4: I said.

2251
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 1: Once I be Spence.

2252
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 4: If Charlo don't move up, I'm coming for him. You

2253
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:36,760
Speaker 4: didn't see the fight last night, you know, I didn't

2254
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:38,680
Speaker 4: see the fight here, but I heard he won. He

2255
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 4: did his thing, ten ten round knock. You know, congratulations

2256
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 4: to Charlo. You want the whole camp, you know, but

2257
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 4: you know he on my head list.

2258
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, dude. That that that that's all I need. Look,

2259
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 2: I'm ready, I'm ready to go.

2260
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:58,599
Speaker 3: That is he's talking a big game. I mean, that's

2261
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 3: so everything he's saying. Yeah, dude, everything he is saying

2262
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 3: sounds like fucking magic. But if it happens, God, bless us,

2263
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 3: God bless us Luke.

2264
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,720
Speaker 2: Not only is he incredibly talented in the pow for

2265
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 2: pound discussion, here's his daughter on the track for her

2266
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:16,679
Speaker 2: school in uh In, Nebraska. Let's check it out.

2267
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 1: Are we really gonna watch his daughter run track on

2268
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:25,960
Speaker 1: the show today?

2269
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:27,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? I watch this, Luke.

2270
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:29,639
Speaker 1: Oh, she got her shoe fell off.

2271
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, her shoe fell off. You think she's got a

2272
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:33,520
Speaker 2: chance to compete.

2273
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 3: Though, well, based on how she's running already. Yes, dude,

2274
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 3: she's gonna smoke these fucking kids.

2275
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 2: I mean she lost her shoes. She lost like four

2276
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 2: seconds off the start.

2277
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 1: Hold on, is she gonna win this? Fucking you know?

2278
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 1: I was talking all this shit? Dude, you gotta be

2279
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 1: kidding me. Okay, this actually turned out to be much

2280
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 1: better than I thought it was.

2281
01:42:57,880 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's pretty dude.

2282
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 1: She fucking beat him by like a country mile.

2283
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Shout out to the Crawford family there. Shout out to.

2284
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:08,720
Speaker 3: Oh, there's some good athletes over there. Good lord, that

2285
01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:09,520
Speaker 3: was impressive.

2286
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:13,719
Speaker 2: Speaking of Omaha, Luke, BKFC was there a week ago

2287
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 2: and your boy, Dakota Cochrane was back in the news, Luke, he.

2288
01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:17,519
Speaker 4: Was in the.

2289
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: Boy.

2290
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 2: He's in the BKFC main event against Josh d day Dyer. Luke,

2291
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:27,799
Speaker 2: you said that you the first national interview radio interview

2292
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,200
Speaker 2: you ever did TV or national I did.

2293
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:32,800
Speaker 3: I did a spot for m a man sensor live

2294
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 3: as like a correspondent, and then he was in the

2295
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 3: news and it was like, you know, at the time,

2296
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:41,120
Speaker 3: it was still interesting and noteworthy that he had done

2297
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 3: you know, gay for pay or whatever. Uh, and so

2298
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 3: we had to talk about that. It was I was like, wow,

2299
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,599
Speaker 3: I finally made it, and uh, in many ways, didn't

2300
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 3: you know?

2301
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 2: All Right, Well, Luke, if you're wondering how it went

2302
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 2: for him against d day Dyer, here's a uh, here's

2303
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:56,400
Speaker 2: the result.

2304
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:03,160
Speaker 1: First, I mean what I mean you guys, first.

2305
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:03,960
Speaker 2: Round lost, Luke.

2306
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean you know, yeah, all.

2307
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:09,160
Speaker 2: Right, Hey, good news.

2308
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 1: You're not as clever as you think you are. I

2309
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 1: want you to know that, Luke. Good news.

2310
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 2: It's Roly Romero fight week, and you know that gets

2311
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:19,400
Speaker 2: me fighted up. See, you don't understand. You can't take

2312
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:22,439
Speaker 2: you can't hear Jimmy, you can't hear Roly Luke, why

2313
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:25,200
Speaker 2: just before we throw to this, why are you not

2314
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:28,320
Speaker 2: even remotely amused by Roly Romero?

2315
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 3: Because I did not find his win over who was

2316
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 3: it at the maz I thought he lost that fight,

2317
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:45,760
Speaker 3: and everything he's doing tells me, you.

2318
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 1: Know, I don't know how long it's gonna liast see

2319
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:47,880
Speaker 1: that part. I don't know.

2320
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:49,600
Speaker 3: I don't know how long it's gonna last. But he

2321
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:51,639
Speaker 3: is going to approach the fight with Tang Davis, who,

2322
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 3: whatever else you want to say about Tang Davis is

2323
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,840
Speaker 3: a phenomenal power puncher. I think we can all say

2324
01:44:56,880 --> 01:45:00,080
Speaker 3: that pretty confidently. Dude, he's gonna get to capitate it.

2325
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:01,679
Speaker 3: I don't know what's.

2326
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:03,640
Speaker 2: Coming to win, though. This is gonna be wild this

2327
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:06,400
Speaker 2: for as long as it lasts. Dude, role is fucking

2328
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:08,560
Speaker 2: coming to win. Did you see him in All Access

2329
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 2: Episode one? He's he's a different dude. It actually gave

2330
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:16,640
Speaker 2: me more confidence that he can land shots. Will he

2331
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 2: get knocked out? We'll have to see. I mean the

2332
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 2: money will be on de Gervanti for sure, but dude,

2333
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 2: Roley's gonna be tough, so Luke, here's some footage that's

2334
01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:26,799
Speaker 2: been making the rounds again this week of Roleys sparring

2335
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:30,479
Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia. That's Ryan with the red shirt. Dude, Rolli's

2336
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:31,799
Speaker 2: up in his kitchen right.

2337
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but ROLI's fighting like a I mean, dude, this

2338
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:36,679
Speaker 3: is what's it supposed to look like? He's he's being

2339
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:38,839
Speaker 3: a jackass in the ring. Yeah, he's being a jackass

2340
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,639
Speaker 3: in the ring. What's that supposed to mean? By the way,

2341
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 3: he's just getting wrapped up anyway, Like none of this matters, dude.

2342
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:50,520
Speaker 2: So that my orga, my donna kind of like unorthodox

2343
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:54,280
Speaker 2: as ship, but like goes after it. Luke. Here's some

2344
01:45:54,439 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 2: separate Roly sparring footage that's also out from this week

2345
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:01,640
Speaker 2: in which, uh, things got a little heated. That's the

2346
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:06,599
Speaker 2: thing that's Roly in the red headgear. This is at

2347
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 2: the Mayweather Jim. You know they do the doghouse there.

2348
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:13,519
Speaker 2: They do what like thirty round sparring. You're not allowed

2349
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 2: to leave the ring.

2350
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:19,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm watching.

2351
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:26,960
Speaker 2: Okay, keep watching, Luke. Is this segment where I control you?

2352
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 2: Your time is mine?

2353
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:32,800
Speaker 3: This is epic great. It feels like I'm watching a

2354
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 3: Great White Shark highlight reel.

2355
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:38,240
Speaker 2: Okay, don't forget Roly, can body you he's got that

2356
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 2: Judo background? Luke?

2357
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 1: Right, dude, this is stupid. What are we watching?

2358
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 2: Okay? Well, I got one more for you.

2359
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:49,360
Speaker 1: Here, none of this means anything.

2360
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:53,000
Speaker 2: This is also Roly from his Judoka days, Luke, this

2361
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 2: is him on the right, and you rate his and

2362
01:46:56,280 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 2: you rate his work. Here this is young Roland Romero.

2363
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:04,920
Speaker 1: Who's where where.

2364
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 2: Right there on the right?

2365
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:12,559
Speaker 1: Okay, riven ship right gripping up? Oh no, that was

2366
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:15,600
Speaker 1: that was really nice? Actually okay, okay, he like he

2367
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 1: goes for like he goes for like an arm drag

2368
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:20,360
Speaker 1: into a trip. That was. That was great, that really great.

2369
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:22,599
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. He'll also be fighting this weekend.

2370
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:24,599
Speaker 2: But look, you know I love him for his sound bites.

2371
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 2: Uh he says, uh, bet bet your house on Romero

2372
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 2: this week. Let's go to Roi himself. We all get

2373
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 2: rich together. Man, I'm gonna tie you like this man.

2374
01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 5: You bet your house bet you man, Matt, fuck it,

2375
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 5: go take out alone. Bet all your money man, Roally

2376
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:47,040
Speaker 5: get rich. Y'all get rich. We all get rich. Bet

2377
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:48,400
Speaker 5: your fucking house on Roly.

2378
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:55,240
Speaker 3: Yes we do not do not bet your mortgage on

2379
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:56,559
Speaker 3: Roly is what I would advise.

2380
01:47:56,840 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 2: We all get rich this weekend. Okay. So there's something that.

2381
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:00,680
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing.

2382
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 3: I mean to be fair, like, do I think there's

2383
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 3: a chance he could win, Yes, especially if Tank Davis

2384
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:10,800
Speaker 3: is unmotivated or something like that. Yes, there is a possibility.

2385
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:13,760
Speaker 3: But BC, I have not looked at the odds. I

2386
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,559
Speaker 3: do not know what they say. You would agree that

2387
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:21,439
Speaker 3: the like the likeliest outcome of all possible outcomes is

2388
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:22,559
Speaker 3: him getting stretched?

2389
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 1: Agreed?

2390
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree. This is gonna be two guys

2391
01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 2: running into each other. But is Davante a little bit

2392
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:33,120
Speaker 2: craftier and all a lot bit craftier. But Roly is bigger,

2393
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 2: and he's looking at the thing about here's what makes

2394
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 2: it in? What makes Roly entertaining? In the end, he

2395
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:41,320
Speaker 2: approaches these championship boxing matches like their street fights. He

2396
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 2: really does, you know what I mean. It's like I'm

2397
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:45,760
Speaker 2: gonna just keep lining you up with that shot that

2398
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 2: I'm holding out here and teasing you with until I

2399
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:50,599
Speaker 2: do and and I'm gonna knock you out. So it's

2400
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:55,680
Speaker 2: it's gonna be interesting. Look, I'm mildly, uh, I think

2401
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,160
Speaker 2: we're gonna see something special. It's gonna be wild, But

2402
01:48:58,160 --> 01:48:59,639
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna see something special here.

2403
01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 3: I will say this, it's one hundred percent going to

2404
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:08,559
Speaker 3: be wild. Roly fights crazy. I just obviously I'm not

2405
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:10,519
Speaker 3: going to go get a loan out embed it on him.

2406
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:12,000
Speaker 1: I just want to be very very clear.

2407
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:13,840
Speaker 2: That's why we go to you for the truth.

2408
01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:14,080
Speaker 1: Here.

2409
01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 2: Uh look, this is some extreme shit that Dana White

2410
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:18,640
Speaker 2: would never do, but I want to ask you for

2411
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:21,040
Speaker 2: each one. Would you do it? Let's start with this

2412
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:21,599
Speaker 2: high dive.

2413
01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:32,320
Speaker 1: Oh he's White, bro. That motherfucker kept going. How long

2414
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 1: was this drop that.

2415
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 2: Jesus Dana White would never even attempt this? Would you, though, Luke?

2416
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:36,840
Speaker 2: Would could you do Yes?

2417
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 1: I would do it. I would do it.

2418
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,720
Speaker 2: Yes, that's I might. I might even puss out at

2419
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:42,639
Speaker 2: that height. I'm not kidding. Oh, let's go to over

2420
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:46,640
Speaker 2: to Brazil, Luke. They call this, uh pendulum jumping of

2421
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 2: some kind?

2422
01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 3: Would you do I've done some cliff jumping before. Oh shit, no,

2423
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:54,639
Speaker 3: it was scary as fuck. Don't please, don't misunderstand me.

2424
01:49:56,600 --> 01:49:59,639
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus dude, that's gotta be okay.

2425
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 2: I would that. I would do that.

2426
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 1: I think I have to lose a little weight before

2427
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:05,639
Speaker 1: I would like test the integrity of the rope.

2428
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:09,439
Speaker 2: All right, let's go over to the catapult skydive here.

2429
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 1: All right, this is extreme, dude, They're just launching.

2430
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing that. No,

2431
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:24,400
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that, Luke. I value my life too much.

2432
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:25,280
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that.

2433
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:29,200
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, yeah, that's a little much for me. Hey,

2434
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 1: get on this, Get on this here, catapult there, Jeff Rod,

2435
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:37,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna don send you into the ravine.

2436
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:39,680
Speaker 2: No, you can use my prayer. Shoote come over here.

2437
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:42,599
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, I want more for you, Luke.

2438
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 3: Would you put that parachute in your jam sport in

2439
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:46,880
Speaker 3: your book bag?

2440
01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? But we got the next one? Or what I mean,

2441
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:54,200
Speaker 2: what are we doing here?

2442
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 1: Is that the official sport of West Virginia? What is that?

2443
01:50:57,560 --> 01:50:59,160
Speaker 2: Oh boy, I'm gonna go.

2444
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:01,479
Speaker 1: Into the ransion, comes home and we just launch him

2445
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:05,120
Speaker 1: into the What the fuck are they? Fuck? No? Are

2446
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:08,719
Speaker 1: you shitting me? And really look at these board pieces

2447
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:09,080
Speaker 1: of shit?

2448
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:09,400
Speaker 2: What?

2449
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 1: No?

2450
01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:12,519
Speaker 2: Fuck?

2451
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:12,680
Speaker 4: No?

2452
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:16,960
Speaker 1: All right. The key to this is just don't hit

2453
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:17,519
Speaker 1: the rocks.

2454
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:18,160
Speaker 2: What mess?

2455
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:19,400
Speaker 1: Some control? Do I have?

2456
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 2: None? That way really really fast. If anything gets in

2457
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:27,600
Speaker 2: your way, turn yeah, okay, thank you. Uh, let's go

2458
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:30,160
Speaker 2: back to the subway Lucas pretty soon. If this COVID

2459
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:31,880
Speaker 2: thing keeps going in the right direction, you and I

2460
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 2: could end up on a subway again. Let's check in

2461
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:39,519
Speaker 2: on this, Luke. I mean that guy, I mean the.

2462
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:41,519
Speaker 1: New York City subway. I mean, I hope they all

2463
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:46,600
Speaker 1: fucking dude, they're just divorce pieces of shit, dude. And

2464
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:52,160
Speaker 1: I wish I could tell you this was I wish

2465
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:54,880
Speaker 1: I could tell you this was like, Oh, this never happens,

2466
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 1: mother fucker. This happens every time you ride. Tell me

2467
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, Tell me I'm wrong.

2468
01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 3: Every time you ride, there's some fucking weirdo doing things

2469
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:07,880
Speaker 3: that you'd be like, does this have to be my

2470
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:08,679
Speaker 3: Tuesday today?

2471
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:09,400
Speaker 1: Does it have to be?

2472
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:11,639
Speaker 2: It's like a freak show, dude.

2473
01:52:14,280 --> 01:52:18,599
Speaker 1: It's the moss Isley Canteen, except no fun, Like it's

2474
01:52:18,640 --> 01:52:19,040
Speaker 1: just ship.

2475
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:22,120
Speaker 2: Well, look, some people know how to ride in style.

2476
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 2: Let's go to the next slide.

2477
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:33,080
Speaker 1: Okay, get the fuck off, just get the he's just

2478
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:39,280
Speaker 1: farting all over that. I mean, are you kidding me, dude?

2479
01:52:39,439 --> 01:52:42,840
Speaker 3: No, dude, this is the this is every fucking time

2480
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:44,360
Speaker 3: I've told this before.

2481
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:46,160
Speaker 1: We had the masking to be I'm never gonna wear

2482
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 1: a mask. You you.

2483
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 3: I dare you to not wear a mask on the

2484
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:53,559
Speaker 3: New York City subway. You're gonna get every communicable disease

2485
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:57,800
Speaker 3: known to man, plus fucking you know, ticks and everything else.

2486
01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:02,800
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, all right, we got a couple of

2487
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:06,120
Speaker 2: UFC two seventy four leftovers. Luke, check out this fancam

2488
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:08,679
Speaker 2: of Michael Chandler putting Tony Ferguson.

2489
01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:11,759
Speaker 1: Wait, damn, look how fast it is. Dude.

2490
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:14,320
Speaker 2: Dude, Look at that angle. That is sick.

2491
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 3: He just booted it straight up like he was trying

2492
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:18,600
Speaker 3: to punt it, you know what I mean. Like it

2493
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:20,920
Speaker 3: was not like a up and push. It was just

2494
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:23,559
Speaker 3: all the way up, just wo all.

2495
01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:26,920
Speaker 2: The way whoa, dude, that's a sick. That shot just

2496
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:30,200
Speaker 2: you're right out of nowhere. How do you have that balance?

2497
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:34,519
Speaker 2: You didn't even you know, he didn't. He didn't uh

2498
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:38,240
Speaker 2: telegraph it either, Luke, there we go. I found the word.

2499
01:53:38,280 --> 01:53:41,000
Speaker 2: I found the word. Okay, uh Luke. Speaking of two

2500
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:43,040
Speaker 2: seventy four, did you see this video of this fan

2501
01:53:43,160 --> 01:53:45,679
Speaker 2: that attempted to rush the cage?

2502
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:49,720
Speaker 3: Yes, one of the many MENSA members of this community.

2503
01:53:51,320 --> 01:53:55,479
Speaker 3: Watch her just get slung into the air. This is

2504
01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:56,160
Speaker 3: my favorite.

2505
01:53:57,080 --> 01:54:06,560
Speaker 1: Sorry bitch by yep I was, I was. I was

2506
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:08,840
Speaker 1: very glad to see her fail at.

2507
01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:12,160
Speaker 2: This, Luke. Our final two clips came by request from

2508
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:14,120
Speaker 2: people in the industry that we know and love. This

2509
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:17,840
Speaker 2: is the first one from Gaffney Pierre, our fine MK producer.

2510
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:22,400
Speaker 2: Have you heard of armand Mellikan the Greco Roman star Luke?

2511
01:54:22,920 --> 01:54:25,800
Speaker 1: No, but Jesus Christ, he is exceptional.

2512
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:27,840
Speaker 3: I mean this guy went for was it like a

2513
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:31,120
Speaker 3: like a like a saunagi basically and he gets turned

2514
01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:31,479
Speaker 3: for it.

2515
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 1: Wow, dude, that is.

2516
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:36,040
Speaker 2: I figured you could get code this, Luke. It's all

2517
01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:37,800
Speaker 2: just you know, this is great.

2518
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:41,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? Wow strength.

2519
01:54:41,960 --> 01:54:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, those Armenians are strong as fuck.

2520
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:48,120
Speaker 1: Luke. Yeah, dude, that's crazy. That's crazy.

2521
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:51,240
Speaker 2: Our last clip is from Danny Segura Luke of m

2522
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:53,680
Speaker 2: A Junkie and South Florida and uh, you know our

2523
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:58,560
Speaker 2: former teammate. I think he calls this puff pass abuela.

2524
01:54:59,680 --> 01:55:00,840
Speaker 1: Are you racist?

2525
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:09,520
Speaker 2: Why? Why? I don't think there was anything racist about that, Luke.

2526
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:12,960
Speaker 3: Wait, So he takes it and it gives it to Grandma. No,

2527
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:15,320
Speaker 3: she demands it, she demands it.

2528
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 1: Does she take it? Oh?

2529
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:18,920
Speaker 2: Right backwards? She took it backwards, Luke?

2530
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:23,720
Speaker 1: And what is she drinking? Like a Jack Daniels fucking strawberry? Whatever?

2531
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:24,120
Speaker 1: The fuck?

2532
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, this might be a burning man or some shit.

2533
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:27,040
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2534
01:55:27,120 --> 01:55:27,920
Speaker 1: Luke. There you go.

2535
01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:29,720
Speaker 2: That's that's the ship I got this week.

2536
01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:32,760
Speaker 1: I'll do better. Have you ever eaten a live blunt before?

2537
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:35,920
Speaker 2: No? No, I don't, I don't.

2538
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:38,640
Speaker 3: I had a friend. It definitely was not me. I

2539
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:40,680
Speaker 3: want to be very clear about this. It definitely was

2540
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:42,520
Speaker 3: not me. I had a friend who was hanging out

2541
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:45,280
Speaker 3: with another friend, and the other friends saw that some

2542
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:48,360
Speaker 3: cops were coming, and so of the two friends, one

2543
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,320
Speaker 3: of them just took the blunt and then just ate.

2544
01:55:50,360 --> 01:55:53,320
Speaker 1: It while it was still lit. Ate the whole thing.

2545
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, I've been in those parking lot

2546
01:55:57,680 --> 01:55:59,280
Speaker 2: situations before, Luke, you.

2547
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:02,200
Speaker 1: Know where you're like, no, but never like taking part though, right, never?

2548
01:56:06,920 --> 01:56:10,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke, I have lived my life fast and furiously,

2549
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 2: which you know again my you know, my toes, you know,

2550
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:16,280
Speaker 2: they tell the they tell the story of my life.

2551
01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:18,240
Speaker 1: Look at what was when your toes tell the story

2552
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:18,360
Speaker 1: of it?

2553
01:56:18,440 --> 01:56:21,200
Speaker 6: Is that you don't clean them properly, No no dog with them,

2554
01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:24,960
Speaker 6: but they're damaged because, Luke, life is I mean, I

2555
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:27,240
Speaker 6: think that's why we're all born with the crack in

2556
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:29,760
Speaker 6: our ass, Luke, because it's to remind you that it's

2557
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:32,240
Speaker 6: not going to be smooth and perfect, Luke, Okay, in

2558
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:33,000
Speaker 6: your case.

2559
01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:37,480
Speaker 2: I'll be smooth at all. I'm sure just probably like gross, right,

2560
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:43,480
Speaker 2: and I was probably discussing. Yeah, I mean, I'm just

2561
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Speaker 2: out here soloing, Luke. It's great, it's great.

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Speaker 3: You're you're a horrendous person. Yea, all right, you see,

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01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:52,440
Speaker 3: let's remind everyone nord VPN thanks to them for sponsoring

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Speaker 3: the show.

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Speaker 1: That's probably the last show they sponsored.

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Speaker 3: In fairness, I wouldn't blame them, you know, I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: blame them.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,240
Speaker 3: Let's see Morning Combat at gmail dot com is the

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Speaker 3: place to get us Wednesday's fan subs, Friday's dead wrongs

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Speaker 3: just to reach the show, the whole nine yards. Showtime

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01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:08,480
Speaker 3: dot com is the label that pays let's see. Let's see.

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01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:12,680
Speaker 3: I am gonna have an extra credit out today. I'm

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01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:13,920
Speaker 3: not sure when I'm gonna record that, because I have

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01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 3: an interview at one thirty that's also gonna be out.

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01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:17,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be talking to Demian Maya BC. I'm talking

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Speaker 3: to anything coming up, Anything coming up.

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Speaker 2: We're trying to get a Roly Romero interview this week.

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01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:27,520
Speaker 2: I think I can make. You know, look, sometimes you

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01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:31,840
Speaker 2: look across the dance floor and you see and you know,

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01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:34,360
Speaker 2: and you might have to do the your mind if

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01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:36,880
Speaker 2: we dance with your dates. But I think him and

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01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:40,120
Speaker 2: I could make we could make on air magic together.

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Speaker 3: I know you want to desperately have like what would

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01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:48,280
Speaker 3: be the equivalent. It's like you guys have this magical

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01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:52,240
Speaker 3: interview connection where you ask him inane things, knowing he's

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01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:55,080
Speaker 3: gonna say inane things in response, and you just keep

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01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:55,800
Speaker 3: ratching it up.

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Speaker 1: Is that the idea?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like there's a canvas in we just we

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01:58:00,760 --> 01:58:03,920
Speaker 2: just throw the paint at it aggressively, Luke. But sometimes

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01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, after a while, it's like it's like, you know,

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01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:09,040
Speaker 2: when you would tape on my on my cable box

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01:58:09,080 --> 01:58:10,800
Speaker 2: in the eighties as a kid, I would tape the

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01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:13,640
Speaker 2: nickel to the power button and then that would force

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Speaker 2: a de scrambling where you can make out like a

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01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:17,840
Speaker 2: you know, it could be an elbow or shoulder, be like, dude,

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Speaker 2: I saw a boob, I saw a boob right there.

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Speaker 2: It was like that, Luke. I mean, whether it was

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Speaker 2: pay per view boxing or the Spice channel, I decode

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01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:33,960
Speaker 2: that that's what I did in my life. I was

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Speaker 2: a decoder.

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Speaker 1: Luke.

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Speaker 2: You know for most of my youth.

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01:58:36,200 --> 01:58:38,520
Speaker 1: I think you spent much of your youth just in

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01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:42,760
Speaker 1: desperate search of pornography and or national geographic.

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01:58:42,440 --> 01:58:45,240
Speaker 2: And that's how I found boxing accidentally. I was like, yeah,

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01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:47,920
Speaker 2: this fits too, this is competitive pornography. It's great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's see Showtime dot Com for thirty

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Speaker 1: day free Trophy'll like it, you can keep it.

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Speaker 3: If not, you can pounce. BC got anything going on

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01:58:55,440 --> 01:58:58,000
Speaker 3: that the folks need to know about my projects.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you that you may be seeing

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Speaker 2: episode two of our of our reformatted room service Diaries

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Speaker 2: this week on YouTube dot com Slash Morning Combat. So

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01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:10,480
Speaker 2: be on the lookout. We'll have probably an update on Wednesday,

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01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:13,120
Speaker 2: but we'll be looking to get that out there. Look

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Speaker 2: out for that lucas DC as fuck as that sticker

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01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:21,760
Speaker 2: says luc Is that sticker party affiliated or is that

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Speaker 2: just like no way we love?

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Speaker 1: It's a clothing brand. It's a clothing brand.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good good, Because Luke, I'm coming to d C.

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Speaker 3: B c BC is coming to d C. I don't

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Speaker 3: know how much we're gonna get on camera, but he

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Speaker 3: is coming. I can't wait look forward to it. Yeah

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Speaker 3: all right, well let's close the show because I gotta

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Speaker 3: do this Demian my interview. Okay, So we have a

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Speaker 3: lot of stuff coming for you guys, don't We'll have

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Speaker 3: the Demmi in My interview coming soon. We'll have let's see,

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Speaker 3: we'll have extra credit out today.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and have some balls and ask Demian the little

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Speaker 2: nod question.

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Speaker 1: See that's less balls and more just uh cte. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's what I would say.

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Speaker 2: It's there's a bit. Hey, hey, Demion, there's a popular

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Speaker 2: theory you know, floating around right now. You know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. I'm not saying I agree with it, but

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Speaker 2: you know, did he ride the coattails? Did he?

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Speaker 1: You know? Did he all right for this? For this?

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Speaker 1: Jamoke Brian Campbell, the Viceroyal Connecticut. I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you soon and until next time, thank

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Speaker 3: you for watching for Malco CBS Sports Showtime

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Speaker 1: The whole group group, May all of your gains be

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Speaker 1: loyal