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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane

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Speaker 1: Never Told your production of iHeart Radio. Yes, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to today's episode. Annie. I'm gonna go ahead and start

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Speaker 1: off with a question. Are you ready? I hope so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I hope you are too. Here we go. So, Annie,

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Speaker 1: you are in the world of acting, your nectar, and

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Speaker 1: so that makes me ask when you were growing up,

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Speaker 1: If so, who, if you had any were some of

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Speaker 1: the actresses that you looked up to? Well, good question.

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Speaker 1: I have always wanted to act, but I also suffer

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Speaker 1: from uh, pretty strong anxiety, performance anxiety, and shyness. So

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Speaker 1: I was really bad at it. I'll just be honest

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Speaker 1: But usually I'd be up there like four years old,

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Speaker 1: was a strange thing that I dreaded and loved. And

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Speaker 1: I have some performance since I look back on and

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Speaker 1: they gave me great shame. They eat my cheeks with shame. Um.

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Speaker 1: I have auditions that I'm like, please, for the love

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Speaker 1: of everything. I hope this never gets out because it's terrible,

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Speaker 1: Like I have a panic attack in the middle of one,

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Speaker 1: Like I hurt myself during a performance once because my

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Speaker 1: and I just remember everyone in the auditor I'm going,

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Speaker 1: oh no, we got awkward, and I had a huge

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Speaker 1: So I have been doing it since I was probably

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Speaker 1: I was very mad tive and I liked coming up

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Speaker 1: with scenarios and I like pretending, So I think that

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Speaker 1: was part of it. And it's interesting for this topic

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Speaker 1: had with Eves recently. In her last People First, we

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Speaker 1: did UM, I didn't really the attention was not the

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Speaker 1: but I did UM. Also interesting for this conversation. I

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Speaker 1: did look up to you a number of actresses, and

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Speaker 1: Nalie Portman was a big one. After Phantom Menace came out,

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Speaker 1: I was big. I was like, oh, I want to

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Speaker 1: say your actophobia. I'm not gonna lie. No. I did

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Speaker 1: watch that though, because David Arkutt was in it, and

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Speaker 1: I had a crush on David ar kid No, he

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Speaker 1: was an eight like it freaks. I'm mixing it up. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I love it. Well, you know, I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, I actually did qualify for that,

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Speaker 1: Let you have one of those identic memories, and I

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Speaker 1: these work. But why am I talking about all of this? Um?

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Speaker 1: When it comes to celebrities, we are fascinated, and y'all

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Speaker 1: whether it's the projects they're in or about their personal lives.

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Speaker 1: We get invested, I really get invested, so much so

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Speaker 1: that it seems that their lives become public property. More

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Speaker 1: before we start, I feel like we need to do

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, but I was really into

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Speaker 1: old school Hollywood. Like I have a lot of trivia

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Speaker 1: I've seen the most obscure old old movies which you're

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Speaker 1: And the more I learned, and I think the more

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Speaker 1: like necessary, why you why are you doing this? And

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Speaker 1: I remember being like, it just sends a message. A

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Speaker 1: lot of this sends a message to young girls who

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Speaker 1: are consuming it. Right. Um. But yeah, speaking of media, right,

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Speaker 1: let's jump into it. So we did talk about earlier

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Speaker 1: how media does impact and it's changed a little bit

436
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Speaker 1: since that time, and it's not so controlled by studios anymore.

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Speaker 1: Um So, after the release of Framing Britney Spears, there

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Speaker 1: was a new flurry of conversation about how we as

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Speaker 1: a society treat young women in Hollywood. Of course, if

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Speaker 1: you're my age range. One of the biggest conversations the

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Speaker 1: impact of media celebrities was due to the tragic death

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Speaker 1: of Princess Diana, which we could talk about how Megan

443
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Speaker 1: Markle is being scrutinized in a similar way today, um

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Speaker 1: of course with the added plus of racist media, so

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Speaker 1: that's a different conversation. But we did highlight how so

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Speaker 1: many of the celebrities during that time or often dragged

447
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Speaker 1: through the mud for click baity articles and selling just tabloids.

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Speaker 1: And that was the kind of the beginning of TMC

449
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Speaker 1: Entertainment tonight, all that which was just all about celebrity gossip.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, as we look in hindsight, we see that

451
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Speaker 1: there's something fundamentally wrong when someone's trauma is used to

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Speaker 1: get a bit of cash or notoriety. As writer as

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Speaker 1: Shandon mcgigan, So sorry if I said that wrong. Rice

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Speaker 1: in her article on the media's treatment of female public figures. Quote.

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Speaker 1: The intensity of the media's hounding of Brittany highlighted a

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Speaker 1: real lack of empathy shown towards the star h and

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Speaker 1: this was a statement from Hannah Davies in that article,

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Speaker 1: which was the Guardians deputy TV editor at the time.

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Speaker 1: She further declared that Brittany was dehumanized in the eyes

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Speaker 1: of the media and the public, with society expressing an

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Speaker 1: intense amounts of judgment and criticism that was regarded as

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Speaker 1: socially acceptable, demonstrated through March plastered with jokes of Brittany

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Speaker 1: surviving two thousand and eight being produced or profit. And

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Speaker 1: we know how all of that went down, all of

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Speaker 1: the clips and if you've got a photo in her distress,

466
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Speaker 1: it was paid for by thousands and thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 1: And the messier the better for the media. Headlines insinuating

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Speaker 1: mental health breakdowns, drug usage, messy breakups pushed young celebrities

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Speaker 1: to the edge, and the team boys were talked about.

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Speaker 1: It was never to the same degree that the young

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Speaker 1: team girls received. They pitted women against women for bigger

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Speaker 1: headlines like we had the whole Team Gin or Team Angelina,

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Speaker 1: Brad Pitt there was T shirts. Yeah, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it was a huge thing. I just remember like going down,

475
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Speaker 1: like checking out the grocery store, like every magazine cover

476
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Speaker 1: was like I know, I know. Wow. Um. Then we

477
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Speaker 1: also saw blaming women for sexual aggression, like Janet Jackson

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Speaker 1: the whole Super Bowl thing, accusing women of being divas

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Speaker 1: or bitches like Mariah Carey and Megan Fox. Um. And

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Speaker 1: we've talked a bit about the villainizing of these women

481
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Speaker 1: in part due to men purposely ruining careers for not

482
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Speaker 1: playing the submissive ladies that Hollywood once dominated like Weinstein,

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Speaker 1: uh and Michael Bay Right, if you try to get

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Speaker 1: out of that box then, I mean, there was plenty

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Speaker 1: of women who have since come out said I have

486
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Speaker 1: been ostracized and blacklisted because I would not be victimized

487
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Speaker 1: by these men. And it's quite interesting because it does

488
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Speaker 1: it's reminiscent of old Hollywood. Yeah, and there are some

489
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Speaker 1: people who are finally getting their do like Britney Spears,

490
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Speaker 1: who has been freed from the controversial Conservatives ship and

491
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Speaker 1: is starting to get some apologies from the many who

492
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Speaker 1: exploited her lowest points in her life. Megan Fox being

493
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Speaker 1: vindicated from her ruined reputation, and there are those who

494
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Speaker 1: are able to take a step back and take control

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Speaker 1: of those traumatic narratives, such as mar Wilson, who I

496
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Speaker 1: also loved as a kid. Uh, and some who have

497
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Speaker 1: been able to continue in their career on their own terms,

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Speaker 1: like Nally Portman and Natasha Leone. You know, I guess

499
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Speaker 1: we should mention stepping back would be Mary Kayton Ashley,

500
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: whom you love so dearly. I loved them so much.

501
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: I could tell them apart they're not identical twins, their

502
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: firsternal twins would like it was the most annoying habit.

503
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, that's actually oh Sarah Kate, and

504
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: everyone's like, please stop if we're watching it. That's an

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00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: important talent, And of course some credit movements like the

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Speaker 1: Me Too movement and holding the media accountable for the

507
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: instensitive and often traumatic content in relation to young actresses

508
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Speaker 1: and female celebrities, But others say has a lot to

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Speaker 1: do with social media as well and how individuals are

510
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Speaker 1: able to de write the conversation. Again, Uh, the whole

511
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: like accountability stuff is pretty pretty significant. Whether that is

512
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: good or bad, some can't tell. In this era of accountability,

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00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 1: call outs, call ins, and canceling. Social media can be

514
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: a slippery slope. We all know this. Many celebrities have

515
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Speaker 1: already remained largely offline due to being harassed or targeted,

516
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: and several have vowed to never be online due to

517
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: the overall privacy issue. That's fair, and there are celebrities

518
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: who use their social media as a way to connect

519
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: with fans and the tools keep their fans updated in

520
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: their lives, which can be good, but some have talked

521
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: about the overall pressures and anxiety social media causes and

522
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: how they can no longer participate or have to take

523
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: extended breaks from it. Um stars like Selena Gomez and

524
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Speaker 1: Millie Bobby Brown have either taken breaks from social media

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Speaker 1: for their mental health or overall for the safety of others.

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Speaker 1: I know at one point Millie Bobby Brown had one

527
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Speaker 1: of her pictures taken to become a meme and it

528
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: was really homophobic. It was very hurtful and she was like,

529
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Speaker 1: I had nothing to do with this, and it came

530
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Speaker 1: out it wasn't her, but it was being accredited to

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Speaker 1: her and people were attacking her UM and she had

532
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 1: to come off. Of course, you know, we've talked about constantly.

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Speaker 1: How Yeah, we have to be very careful and we're

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Speaker 1: not celebrities, so I couldn't imagine having millions and millions

535
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Speaker 1: of followers who may turn on you at any moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and that's why we're big proponents here. I

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Speaker 1: think it's just a good Internet practice, like do your

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Speaker 1: research before you just like tweet something or just find

539
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Speaker 1: out where it's from, what's going on, uh, because it

540
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: might not be what you think, and then you might

541
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Speaker 1: attack someone who really had nothing to do with it nothing. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And also Mersa was telling me about this documentary she

543
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Speaker 1: watched with Taylor Swift and she was like Taylor as

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Speaker 1: which as a whole like team that's like here we go,

545
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Speaker 1: we're gonna tweet this out. How we're gonna word it

546
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Speaker 1: was the best way. And oh, I know, I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of pop stars are having to like they

548
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: are told they have to in order to release their

549
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: albums and that things are being held hostage in order

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Speaker 1: to get it done. So there's such a whole layer

551
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Speaker 1: that it would suck to be on that level celebrity

552
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Speaker 1: with no power. Yes it would, yes, it would something

553
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Speaker 1: else that also, sex is being under constant scrutiny by

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Speaker 1: the masses, and it has pushed many celebrities to go dark.

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Speaker 1: Um and we have talked about this a lot when

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Speaker 1: it comes to things like Star Wars and Marvel, like

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Speaker 1: the big branchises where they get, especially women and other

558
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Speaker 1: marginalized folks, get all of this hate and not really

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Speaker 1: anybody coming to their defense, right in terms of like

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Speaker 1: their co stars, like the studio, and so they leave.

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Speaker 1: UM And yeah, the as we've also discussed, there is

562
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Speaker 1: a bigger conversation of blots because a lot of it

563
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Speaker 1: is blots and also just protection from harassment for these

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Speaker 1: marginalized folks. Um, the impact that can have, what we

565
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Speaker 1: could possibly do because it is a huge problem right Again,

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Speaker 1: of course, what we talked about the fandom toxic fandom

567
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Speaker 1: and in the gate keeping there's a lot of conversation

568
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: and that we know that's not always the case, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've seen a lot of marginalized women specifically getting targeted

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00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: just because they just don't like it period and they

571
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Speaker 1: have nothing to do with creating the character other than acting.

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00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: And typically they're acting it, actining the hell out of it,

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Speaker 1: and we love it and it hadn't been a standalone,

574
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: people probably would not never had a second thought. But

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Speaker 1: of course, yeah, we can't have nice things. Yeah. Well,

576
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Speaker 1: speaking of speaking on social media, uh, the age of

577
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Speaker 1: social media has led to this idea of anonymity, which

578
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: allows for individuals who in person maybe they may seem okay,

579
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: but online feel very embold in Tuesday whatever whenever without recourse. Um.

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Speaker 1: As we have learned through many criticisms of this podcast,

581
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Speaker 1: this very podcast, and then I used to have to

582
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: answer these things on YouTube and I'd be like, Hi,

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Speaker 1: have a have a nice day or whatever, and they'd

584
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: be like wow, someone responded, I'm like yeah, yes, And

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00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: all of this begs the question is this okay? And

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Speaker 1: what is our responsibility as a fan of something or

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00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: of someone. Uh. As young actresses and celebrities grow up,

588
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: the world watches their every move and oftentimes makes these judgments,

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00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: and they feel the need to do so through their keyboard,

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Speaker 1: thinking they won't be noticed. Um or yeah, even like

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00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: on a podcast, start through other mediums like this, feel

592
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: like they can make these criticisms. It's okay. When fans

593
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: and critics become too familiar with the celebrity, we often

594
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Speaker 1: forget that they are yes, human there is somebody there

595
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Speaker 1: and they deserve to be treated as such. Two women

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Speaker 1: podcasters felt the need to call Mellly Bobby Brown a

597
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Speaker 1: bit because they felt she just seemed that way and again,

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Speaker 1: that's sort of what got this idea, this this whole well,

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Speaker 1: and honestly, there's so much more to that, because we

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Speaker 1: know there's this whole criticue like she just seems like

601
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Speaker 1: people someone I wouldn't like. She just seems like, that's fine,

602
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: you don't have to like everybody, But what does this

603
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Speaker 1: need to call them in such a derogatory manner without

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Speaker 1: knowing them and instead of like just having a moment

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Speaker 1: of like, I wonder, I wonder what kind of pressures

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Speaker 1: there are. I just keep him out of your mouth,

607
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: don't speak about him. That's all it takes. And speaking

608
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Speaker 1: of criticism, that kind of just doesn't make sense other

609
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Speaker 1: than she's a woman that you don't want to see

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Speaker 1: in this I don't know. One of those critics felt

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Speaker 1: carry mulligan was not a good pick to carry out

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Speaker 1: the role of a film fatal character, even though her

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Speaker 1: performance in the movie Promising Young Women was well received

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Speaker 1: and her hitting back at the criticism as a sexist

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Speaker 1: and even agist remark. It was actually encountered with another

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Speaker 1: criticism as uh, saying that there's a right to be

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Speaker 1: able to criticize and critique celebrities appearance and actors appearance

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Speaker 1: if it seems like they are is cast. So I

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Speaker 1: went through, we went through when we were looking at

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Speaker 1: this and speaking about this article, because it was a

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Speaker 1: pretty big deal. K mulgan came out pretty strong. We're like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we get it. You don't like me as this cast,

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Speaker 1: you don't believe me as being the fatal that's on you.

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Speaker 1: But why do we need to go about this appearance thing? Um?

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Speaker 1: And I even mentioned, like the article that was written

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Speaker 1: and even mentioned well, Margot Robbie was a producer. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure it wasn't intended for her, so obviously like a

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Speaker 1: backhanded criticism about her appearance. Um. And then someone came

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Speaker 1: in defense of that, not saying necessarily that her looks

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Speaker 1: should have been critiqued, but more so that we as

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Speaker 1: the audience, should be able to say this probably wasn't

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Speaker 1: cast right based on appearance, based on looks, which seemed

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Speaker 1: one and the same to me. I kind of understood

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Speaker 1: what they were going with this, but at the same time,

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Speaker 1: but this is this is a little bit ages. Obviously

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Speaker 1: what they wanted was the hot, blonde, tall, young fatal

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Speaker 1: that we have so seen so often. Um and K

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Speaker 1: Mulligan's not that old. You talk about that, he's not

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Speaker 1: that old. So none of that makes sense in itself.

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Speaker 1: But of course they talked about, you know, women wouldn't

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Speaker 1: want to see, which was really odd Chris Hemsworth playing

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Speaker 1: a dowdy poet and I was like, why not happened before?

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Speaker 1: What are you what are you talking about? We've seen

644
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Speaker 1: Nkumen playing serious roles. We've seen ridiculous comedians being the

645
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: serious uh filling guy like I mean Jim Carrey won

646
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: awards for his serious roles, which you would never thought

647
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: this slapstick comedian could do and even seen as like

648
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: a leading man. So it kind of like, no, we

649
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: don't have that. Of course, she talked about the fact

650
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: that we should be able to say how this critique,

651
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: so we could open up for more different variations of

652
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: looks to take leading roles. But I don't feel like

653
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: that was where they were going with this, especially in

654
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: critaking that specifically. Yeah, yeah, I think that's Um, we

655
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: are much more forgiving in general of men, whether it's

656
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: perceiving them to be a bitch or not. Like women

657
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: have to be nice and grateful they got this role,

658
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: and you have to be because we have limited rules

659
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: for women, like we have historically in Hollywood. And then

660
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: like I believe the average age for a woman winning

661
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: an oscar like ten years ago so this might have changed,

662
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: was twenty six and for a man it was fifty three.

663
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: So I think we have like and by we, I

664
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: mean audiences have this idea of for women it is this,

665
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: and it looks like this, and I can critique her

666
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: appearance because that's what women is about. For men, it

667
00:36:44,520 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: could be they could do anything, but women. And I

668
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: know I've told the story before. I had a I

669
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: had a for me, a pretty big break, pretty big

670
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: role um And the night I was supposed to shoot it,

671
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: the guy told me that one of the oh, I

672
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: don't know, one of the crew, he was like, it

673
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: secks to be in an industry where it's all about

674
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: your looks, right, And I looked at it and I

675
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: was like what, And then they gave it to a

676
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 1: man because he was like, I think I think it'd

677
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: be better. I think it'd be more believable for a

678
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: man at this. I was like, what what? Yeah? And

679
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: this most like that that you realize, Yeah, this is

680
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 1: not an easy industry in itself. Um that it's not

681
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: set up for just anyone, which is a whole different conversation. Yeah.

682
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: And then there's this debate of crossing boundaries, which that

683
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: dude cross the boundary, I would say, but I'm in

684
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: referencing to celebrities. Is it okay to interrupt a celebrity

685
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: during a dinner for a photo? Is it okay to

686
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: film or take pics without their knowledge or permansition? Can

687
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: we go going to somebody's own without permission for souvenirs?

688
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: Of course these are more rhetorical questions, but it has

689
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: become less and less acceptable to cross these boundaries, which

690
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: is great, But at the same time, we've seen a

691
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: lot of backlash for those who are private and seek

692
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: to keep it that way. So people who get upset

693
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: if you've been waiting at their hotel room and they

694
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: don't want to stop to talk to you, we get it,

695
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: like you you are you love them, and you feel

696
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: like you have this ideal of them. But if they're tired,

697
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: they're tired and they should have the right to say that. Um.

698
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: We saw recently Tom Hanks America Sweetheart get very angry

699
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: when his wife and I don't know exactly what happened

700
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: when uh Rita Wilson, who was the celebrity as well

701
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: also his wife, Um, but either tripped got pushed. There

702
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: was a lot of conversation about what happened, and he

703
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: lost it in course that people to be like, calm down,

704
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: back off, and that's his right, that makes sense. But

705
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: he got a lot of backlash for it too, Like

706
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 1: it got both love and hate for that reaction. And

707
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: it kind of has that point of like, okay, so

708
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: what is this line how do we make sure we

709
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: don't cross boundaries? But what is this line of like

710
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: your celebrity and this is kind of what happens, and

711
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: I know the kind of maybe this is just making

712
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: making it up seeing too many movies of like they

713
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: love it at first and then they hate it, so

714
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: kind of those two things. Um. And it seems like

715
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: it sometimes takes drastic and extreme measures for people to

716
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: realize this, whether it's a tearful request to be given privacy,

717
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: so being like please leave me alone, You'll have done

718
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: so much, I like, really harassed us, Please stop to

719
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: almost to endangering their lives, um and being put in

720
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 1: these situations that are so extreme that that's the final

721
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: point of like, hey, you almost killed us tonight, Please

722
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: don't do that. Yeah. Yeah, it's that level of fan

723
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: entitlement we've talked about before, where it's some it's kind

724
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: of bizarre to me, but it's like this idea that

725
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: they owe us something, right, we put you here, right,

726
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: and then it's sort of the price of your fame almost.

727
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: It's like you won't You're rich and famous, so I

728
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: get to do whatever and I'll never forget. I saw

729
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: his interview with Jennifer Lawrence a couple of years ago,

730
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: and she was talking about visiting her family and she's like, well,

731
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: we had to put up all the you know, trash

732
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: bags out of the windows. And I was like, wait,

733
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: what's like, Oh, yeah, so we had to put up

734
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 1: every time I visit them, we put up trash bags

735
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: with the windows so they can't take pictures. She was

736
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: talking about like trying to explain that to the young

737
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: people in her family, UM, and just howppens are Like

738
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: that sounds terrible to me. That sounds awful. Um. We've

739
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: also talked about Paris social relationships a little bit before,

740
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: and here we can easily see how this can be good,

741
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: can be really great, or it can be really really awful. UM.

742
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: And as we said before, fans are powerful and deserve respect. Um.

743
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: Because yes, the power of fandom is no joke. You know,

744
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: we love some healthy fan girls over here. UM. And

745
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: it can really really make things happen that is war. Sure,

746
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: the Brittany Stands are a force and we're able to

747
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: keep the conversation alive when so many people had written

748
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: it off around around Britney Spears and conservatorship. Um. But

749
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 1: it can also be a negative. Incidents where fans feel

750
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: but traded by celebrity can be a real storm. UM.

751
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: Think of Hailey Bieber. After she and Justin got together,

752
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: those who were teams Selena have nonstopped her, asked her

753
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: for just being with him. We've talked about that before, UM,

754
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: to the point both she and Justin have repeatedly asked

755
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: her fans to stop and how it's been affecting them both. Right,

756
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: And we've seen that in different celebrities, like if they

757
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: don't like the person you're with, they may go after you.

758
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: Of course, there's some conversations of like, yeah, but the

759
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: son that's like this is dangerous. This isn't unusual circumstance.

760
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: We have questions kind of all of that, but that

761
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: I digress. I won't give any examples of that, but um,

762
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, there's a lot when it comes to all

763
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: of these responsibilities and how we see celebrities in itself,

764
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: and especially when it comes to women, the expectations that

765
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: we hold, and it kind of makes you think, what

766
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: does the future hold? Is? Is the future going to

767
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: be better for the next generation of stars and celebrities?

768
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, with the new mediums come new levels of stardom,

769
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: from YouTube stars to TikTok stars to whatever the next

770
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: level maybe Twitch. I guess Twitch is already there. We

771
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: are seeing a whole different level of celebrity and some

772
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: experts have already begun their studies in these types of celebrity.

773
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: And an Insider Or article written by Rachel E. Green's band,

774
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 1: she talks with psychologists and about the up and coming

775
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: stars of TikTok and the expectations and in the article,

776
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: Greenspan rights experts have warned that these young influencers will

777
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: face the typical hurdles of child fame, but with the

778
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: additional complication of real time social media surveillance by millions

779
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: and algorithmically programmed addiction to the instant gratification of a

780
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: never ending barrage of notifications, which is my nightmare. I

781
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: know those notifications to go way. I think we can't

782
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: figure this out for you, snap. So we've already talked

783
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: about the damages how early, about early childhood stardom and

784
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: what that can cause, but added that the immediateness of

785
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: social media, the total access provided by the stars and

786
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: by the fans, like they ere to tell you immediately

787
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: if they like or don't like something yep, and it's

788
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: the Internet, so it doesn't go away, right, And this

789
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: new level of stardom has brought out a new generation

790
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: of hopefuls who are waiting for their time to go viral.

791
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: Greenspan continues the algorithms that underlie practically every social media

792
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: service today forced us to compete for visibility. These teenagers

793
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: may now feel themselves an extraordinary bind, competing against each

794
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: other and the news feed algorithms in order to maintain visibility,

795
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: a competition in which only the social media services succeed.

796
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: The concept of viral social media fame has become so

797
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: ingrained in our society that it's almost natural for people

798
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: to hope their next post will take off, and some

799
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: of the newly made celebrities have already learned about the

800
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: backlash of fame. Many under the cancel culture a narrative

801
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: due to the extreme or impulsive natures of their post

802
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: have learned this lesson and have seen it and have

803
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: experienced it um but they are also learning how to

804
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: handle it. Greenspan continues. Many influencers have already, perhaps unintentionally

805
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: discovered what experts say is the best way to protect

806
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: oneself against the dangers of fame. By using influence to

807
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: help the world and raise awareness about causes you're passionate about,

808
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: you're actually establishing a deeper sense of who you are

809
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: as a person, right and I am interested to see

810
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: what the statistics will look like. We again did not

811
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: talk about reality stars and young stars, because there has

812
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: been this conversation about uh the sexualization of young young

813
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: girls in these videos, as well as infantilizing some of

814
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: the girls who were no longer younger. Jojo Sawa was

815
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: one of those who got criticisms on both ends when

816
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: she was growing up and but yet still kept the

817
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: ponytail to finally coming out and finding relationships and growing

818
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: in ourselves and being criticized for that. Like that, it's

819
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: just a whole new level of stardom that we've never

820
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: seen that is produced again by the pressures of oftentimes

821
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: family and society. That part has seemingly not gone away. Yeah,

822
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: and I think that the Internet. I mean, we talked

823
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 1: about it all the time on here, and Bridget does

824
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: such a great job of breaking it down. There's many,

825
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: many beautiful things about the Internet, but in a lot

826
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: of ways, like those comment sections can be just like

827
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: every toxic thing in our society amplified. So we're already

828
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: getting as young girls all of these really harmful messages

829
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: about our body and how he should look and how

830
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: we should behave And then if you multiply that by

831
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: a social media I can only imagine being young and

832
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: absorbing that and seeing that, right. You know. The double

833
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: edged sword to this is we have more body positive influencers,

834
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: and that's beautiful and I love to see it. Half

835
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: the time they're defending their body and their videos because

836
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: there's so many that still continue to attack them and

837
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: continue to really harass them. So it feels kind of like, yes,

838
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: this is great, but at the same time, oh my god,

839
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: they still have to keep going through all of this

840
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: and still have to be uh in this position to

841
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: take this kind of abuse. Um, it's interesting. I'm interested

842
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: in seeing how this goes. I think what we really

843
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: wanted to do about this and I didn't get to it,

844
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: Like the honest title was going to be the villainization

845
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: of young teenage stars, but we couldn't even find enough

846
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 1: articles because there are so many other things that seemed

847
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: to be traumatizing and triggering for a lot of these celebrities, um,

848
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: that we haven't considered. Of course, you know this goes

849
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: into that, like, well, at least they have all of

850
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: these basic necessities and all these things, and most of

851
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: the people were talking about our young white girls. Yeah,

852
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: and that's unfortunate because we don't even we have to

853
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: go climb a whole new level of toxicity when it

854
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: comes to the black young black girls who are going

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Speaker 1: through so much that they don't even get the chance

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Speaker 1: to become that half the time because of the racism

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Speaker 1: that is so staunch and so heavy here. So we

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Speaker 1: know this is that level of conversation. But there's a

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Speaker 1: lot to consider when we see what is happening, especially

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Speaker 1: for myself as a social worker who worked with young kids,

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Speaker 1: seeing this is such a problem in such a big way.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, you hope it changes, but

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Speaker 1: historically it doesn't seem to me. Yeah. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: think a part of this it goes back to something

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Speaker 1: you said earlier, Samantha's it's very clear that we again

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Speaker 1: as a society, view women as expendable, and we kind

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Speaker 1: of their misery is our entertainment and that's fine, and

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Speaker 1: we feel very entitled as a society. Again, I'm not

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Speaker 1: speaking about Smith the Night, but you know, we as

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Speaker 1: a society, I feel very entitled to cause harm, to

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Speaker 1: like really judge everything they do and then throw them

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Speaker 1: away when they experience any sort of trauma or anything

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Speaker 1: that doesn't fit and how we think they should behave

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Speaker 1: and how they should look. Right. Yeah, and I mean

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Speaker 1: that's that's up to like even Harvey Weinstein, like the

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Speaker 1: fact that went on so long, that's pretty telling. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so there is a lot too, There's a lot to

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Speaker 1: um back here, Yes, Yes, there is um well listeners,

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Speaker 1: as always, if there's anything you want us to follow

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Speaker 1: haven't shut it out. If you have a favorite Mary

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Speaker 1: Kate and Ashley movie, like, you can't let us know

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Speaker 1: think anyone. I don't think anyone to reach out about

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Speaker 1: Mary Kate actually, but you could prove us a wrong

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