1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Hurdle. My name's Emily Abadi. I'm the 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: one with this raspy voice. Dear God, I feel like 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm losing it. I'm bringing you this podcast week after 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: week that checks in with badass humans who got through 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: a tough time in their life a hurdle of sorts 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: by leaning into wellness. On today's episode, I sit down 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: with Adam Callen, the founder of a shop called Jane 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: Motorcycles based out of Williamsburg, Brooklyn. Now Jane's more than 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: just a shop to buy custom motorcycles. 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He's a designer and 46 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: also an entrepreneur. Adam, I'm so happy to have. 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: You here today. 48 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: Hey, how are you glad to be here? 49 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: I'm so good. 50 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm so much better now that we're sitting in this 51 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: recording studio and we work. 52 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: This place is awesome. I feel real legit right now. 53 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 3: I feel like we're doing the real thing. I still 54 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 3: didn't get my hair on my makeup, but I'm gonna 55 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 3: be okay with it. 56 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: I'm you know what, I think you look pretty good today. 57 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: First and foremost, Adam, why don't you tell me a 58 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: little bit about yourself? 59 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 3: Hey, So, yeah, Adam here. I am the co founder 60 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: of j Motorcycles. Born and raised in Los Angeles. J 61 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 3: Motorcycles is a men's clothing company, custom motorcycle company, and 62 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 3: we have a full cafe. So we do three things motorcycles, clothing, 63 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: and coffee. Sounds kind of crazy, but it works. And 64 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: that's where I've been putting all my efforts into for 65 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: the last four years. 66 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: So you and that's in Brooklyn in Wolsburg, yep, A 67 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: long way away from Los Angeles. 68 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: How did you end up here? It's a good question. 69 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: So in a prior career, I was working in fashion 70 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: technology and I was flying back and forth from Los 71 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: Angeles to New York a lot, and my old company 72 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: asked me if I would move to New York, and 73 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: they offered me a really great package, and I took 74 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: that opportunity to move to New York and launch our 75 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: New York office, and which is what I did for 76 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: a year. It was great, but I was not totally 77 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: fulfilled in what I wanted to do, and I always 78 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: had a fantasy and desire of open of my own gig, 79 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: and so I did that for a year and then 80 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: I met my current partner and reopened up Jane. 81 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: Awesome. 82 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, so along the way, obviously a few bumps in 83 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: the road, hurdles, if you will. Why don't we kind 84 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: of rewind a little bit and go back in time 85 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: to when you may not have been at the place 86 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: where you were ready to start your own company. 87 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I don't know why, but I always 88 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 3: had this sense of I was different than everybody else. 89 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 3: I had this feeling that you had this world figured 90 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: out and I didn't have the blueprint for what was happening. 91 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 3: And what that meant was I would do whatever it 92 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: took to make you think that I was doing good. 93 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 3: I would. It's a form of people pleasing. I would 94 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: tell you lies to make you think that I was good, 95 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 3: even if my heart was crushed. If I was in 96 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 3: a really bad mood, if you came to and said, hey, Adam, 97 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 3: how are you and I was in a horrible mood, 98 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: I would say, I'm doing great, and I have a 99 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 3: smile on my face, and you know, that's all that 100 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: mattered to me, is that you thought I was doing good. 101 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 2: I think a lot a lot of people. 102 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: A lot of people do that, man, A lot of 103 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: people do do that. But for me, it manifested in 104 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: a lot of you know, character defects. 105 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: What were some of those who think lying? 106 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 3: For one, dishonesty was a big one for me, stealing, cheating. 107 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: I became a liar, a thief, a cheat, all at 108 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: the expense of making you think that I was doing well. 109 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: I used. I also had a speech impediment. I used 110 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 3: to not be able to pronounce my rs correctly. They 111 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 3: would be they would sound like w's, so it'd be like, 112 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 3: oh that wabbit, we're going hunting wabbits. I sounded like 113 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: Elmer Fudd. You know, it's funny. But like as a kid, 114 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 3: it made me feel different than everybody else. And I 115 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: always had that feeling that I was different from you 116 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: no matter what. And so I always had this this 117 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: this thing in me that like I didn't get it 118 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 3: and everybody else got this kind of like table of 119 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: contents for life. A big thing that happened to me 120 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: was my parents got divorced when I was eight years old. 121 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 3: My mom, my sister, and myself. We went from living 122 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: in a comfortable, you know, middle class neighborhood to a 123 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 3: somewhat of a dangerous. 124 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: Lower class environment. And this is in California. 125 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: This was in California, in Los Angeles. And the thing is, 126 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 3: so we moved from like, you know, the house to 127 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 3: the really bad kind of apartment and like almost like 128 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: a ghetto. And the problem was I kept all of 129 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: my rich friends. So I had all my rich friends, 130 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 3: and I was like the poor kid keeping up with 131 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 3: all the rich friends. And so that meant I had 132 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: to my people pleasing skills had to be turned on overdrive. 133 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: I had to make sure that they knew that I 134 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 3: had all the things like they had the trips, the clothes, 135 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 3: the toys, the family, you know, like the all the things, 136 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: and I couldn't bear for them to know that I 137 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: didn't have that. So I would like, I said, I 138 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,119 Speaker 3: would go to my friend's house. I would like steal 139 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: their clothes. I'd say, oh, I'm gonna let me just 140 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 3: borrow this T shirt. And then I would like never 141 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: with all intention of never returning it. And that was 142 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: just that was just a thing that I did, Like 143 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: I lost all integrity at a certain point. Fast forward 144 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: to I went to law school. 145 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: I did greade in college. I really didn't know what 146 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: I wanted. 147 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: To do, and what I thought society told me to 148 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: do would be, oh, go to law school. It's a 149 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: great education. You'll love it. You know it can't hurt. 150 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 3: So I did that once again, following like the people 151 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: pleasing kind of thing, and law school was a completely 152 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 3: different environment for me. College was fun and easy and 153 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 3: I totally was able to kind of handle it with 154 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: a breeze. Law school was compared aditive, vicious hard. They 155 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: made you stand in the in a group of like 156 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: a hundred people, and and and and give them your opinions, 157 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 3: and and it was it was. It was hard for me. 158 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: I think it's hard for everyone. 159 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not trying to say that it's not. It 160 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: should be, but it was something I'd never experienced or 161 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: even thought that was going to be like that. Of course, 162 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: and you find your you find your tribe in law 163 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: school and I found a couple of guys that were 164 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: studying one night and like, hey, try this stuff. And 165 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 3: so it was, uh, it was crystal meth. I did it, 166 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 3: and this white light kind of turned on in my 167 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 3: head and I was like, oh my god, this is 168 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: this is this is my medicine. This is a thing 169 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: that's going to make life fantastic for me. It uh, 170 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: it made me focus something that I had a hard 171 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: time doing for my whole life. It made me funny, 172 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 3: It made me creative, It made me smart, It made 173 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: you guys laugh at me. It did all of the 174 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 3: things that I always wanted to do naturally, but I 175 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: needed that as kind of a crutch. So I told myself, 176 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, there will never be a day where I'm 177 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: not going to have this on me. And it worked. 178 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 3: It worked for a long time. 179 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: Are you paranoiding that around with that. 180 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: Later down the line. Yes, for sure, law school was 181 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: a mess. Like law school, I was never destined to 182 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 3: be a lawyer. I graduated law school by the skin 183 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: of my teeth, and I had multiple careers. I was 184 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 3: working in the entertainment industry. I was working for a 185 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: talent agency, and then I decided to did you take 186 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: the bar? I took the bar, and I was not 187 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 3: sober at all for the bar, and I did not 188 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: pass the bar. Yeah, that was a low poem for 189 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: me as well. 190 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: I can imagine. I mean, I've had so many friends. 191 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: Three of my closest to youarest friends are all lawyers, 192 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: and that time period of studying for it, nevertheless, the 193 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: actual taking of the exam. 194 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I didn't. It wasn't in my It wasn't 195 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: in my heart. I didn't. I didn't feel it in 196 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: my bones that I really wanted to be a lawyer. 197 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: So I'm not making excuses. I was not, you know, 198 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 3: it was it just wasn't. It wasn't meant to be. 199 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 3: I decided to follow my creative passions, something that kind 200 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 3: of was spurred in me from a kid being poor 201 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: and not having any money and making my own clothes 202 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 3: and do and getting creative. And I started my own 203 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 3: clothing company and it was fantastic. I had read these 204 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 3: clothes for it was. It was for men and women. 205 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 3: It was a clothing company called Material Junkie. It was 206 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: back how many years ago, Gottish It has to be 207 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 3: like fifteen years ago where it was like during when 208 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 3: everybody was wearing truckers and like you know, it was 209 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: like a very kind of street wear type thing and 210 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 3: a lot of DJs and I had every celebrity in 211 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: La wearing it. It was super fun. I had great 212 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 3: success with it. And the problem with that was that's 213 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: when I got really heavy into my drug addiction. So 214 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 3: I was writing orders all over the world. I was, 215 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: you know, working with Japan, in London and New York 216 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 3: and all like the places that I wanted to be in, 217 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 3: and my my drug addiction was taking up. I associated 218 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 3: too as if you do drugs, you're going to be successful. 219 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: And how old are you at this point? 220 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 3: I am in my late twenties, got it, Yeah, I'm 221 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: in my late twenties. I thought I had, you know, 222 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 3: the world by its tail. The problem is the drugs 223 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 3: stopped working. But my addiction did not stop working. So 224 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 3: that what that looks like is I really stopped caring 225 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: so much about my business. I really stopped caring so 226 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: much about paying my bills. I stopped caring about you know, 227 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 3: my friendships, my relationships, and all I want to do 228 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 3: is get high and it gets dark, you know. I I, 229 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 3: you know, got kicked out of my house because I 230 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: didn't pay my bills. I ended up moving in with 231 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 3: my dad, who rightfully so eventually kicked me out as well, 232 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: and I ended up living in my car. I was homeless, 233 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 3: and I thought I was still killing the game, you know. 234 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 3: I thought I was like, Oh, I'm this artist, I'm 235 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 3: going to be great, Like I'm going to have this 236 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: over I'm going to overcome this whole story. The fact 237 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: of the matter is I was just a scared little 238 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: boy with no kind of skills for life at that point. 239 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: That's where we, you know, have the hurdle. 240 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: That's the hurdle. 241 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: That's the hurdle. 242 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: Okay, so how does one? How does one? 243 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: First of all, you obviously are getting to the point 244 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: where you're aware that this is problematic. Where is the 245 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: turning point that you understand you need to do something 246 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: about it. 247 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 3: I saw the writing on the wall. I saw that 248 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 3: I had a problem. I saw that this was not 249 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: going in a direction that I wanted it to go. 250 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 3: The fact of the matter is I was living in 251 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 3: my car and my car got repossessed, so my basically 252 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 3: my house was my which was in foreclosure, so to speak. 253 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: And I finally told my parents that I needed help, 254 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 3: and they had been trying to get me help for 255 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: a while. They saw, you know, what I was doing 256 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: with my life, and I had been lodging them and 257 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 3: making excuses, and they finally jumped on the opportunity to 258 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 3: help me because I asked for help, and I put 259 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 3: me in a rehab where the rehab. The rehab was 260 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 3: in a place in Culver City, California. It was not 261 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 3: one of those rehabs you think there was, like, you know, 262 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 3: fancy rehabs with room surveys. I mean this was This 263 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: was a bare bones, smash your ego type of rehab, 264 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 3: really humbling experience, and it was the greatest thing that 265 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: ever could have happened to me. 266 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: I needed that humbling. 267 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 3: And the funny thing is when you go to rehab, 268 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 3: they take you to these AA meetings and they take 269 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 3: in La where this was. They took me. They take 270 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 3: you to these big AA meetings with thousands of people. Wow, 271 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: And I actually ran into people that I knew growing 272 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: up that I did not know were sober, that had 273 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 3: amazing successful careers, that had the lights on in their eyes, 274 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 3: and I respected and I didn't know that they were sober, 275 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: and I was like, Wow, these people are sober. Maybe 276 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 3: I can give this a chance. And the thing that 277 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you what I heard or what they 278 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 3: said at my meeting at initial meetings, I was so 279 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: out of my mind. But I do remember laughter, like 280 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: real belly kind of aching laughter. And I laughed and 281 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 3: I hadn't laughed in ten years. So that was like 282 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: the moment where I was like, Okay, I can do this. 283 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: I'm going to do this. It's not pretty. I'm in 284 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: my early at this point, I'm in my early thirties, 285 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 3: and it's it's it's not a pretty situation. So I 286 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 3: did what they told me to do. I got I 287 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 3: got a sponsor, I you know, worked the steps. 288 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: And you said that this in our talks previously is 289 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: kind of about the time that when you were starting 290 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: to invest in yourself and you started maybe even to 291 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: work out a little bit and think about being a 292 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: little bit more mindful. 293 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: Absolutely, but I had let my you know self slip, 294 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: and you know, I was eating horribly. I was eating 295 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: fast food every day. I was drinking slurpees every day. 296 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 3: I was I was totally out of it. 297 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: The question really quickly though, is what flavor slurpee? 298 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: Coc cola? 299 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: Only? 300 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 3: Oh, Coke? Only coke only? Anybody that does anything else 301 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: is disgusting. I realized that I really needed to kind 302 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 3: of make a change. I was smoking a lot. I 303 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: was smoking a pack of cigarettes a day. I was 304 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 3: eating horribly. I probably gained I was like probably forty 305 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: fifty pounds heavier than I am today. And I realized that, 306 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 3: you know, I had to get back into the gym. 307 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 3: I had to start running. I had to like start 308 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 3: doing all the things that I loved. But the main 309 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: thing for me was surfing. I grew up in La 310 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 3: Surfing was what was kind of is and was and 311 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: still is my my my spiritual practice. There's something about 312 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 3: surfing for me that everything in the world is right 313 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 3: when I'm when I'm out there and i'm you know, 314 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 3: you're working out and you're kind of paddling and it's 315 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: and it's a it's a it's a good athletic experience, 316 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 3: but it helps me focus. It helps me kind of 317 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 3: hone myself, not only in the water, but outside of water, 318 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: you know, with my relationships, with my business, with my 319 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: with my fiance, like at all as well in the world. 320 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 3: If I can get a good surfing And. 321 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: Did you feel that way from the get go with 322 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: surfing or was that kind of a relationship that you built. 323 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: From the get go? You know, surfing is one of 324 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 3: those is one of those sports that it's the learning 325 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: curve is not easy. It's not like skateboarding or snowboarding 326 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 3: where you kind of can figure it out a day 327 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 3: or two. So like it's a struggle at first. And 328 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: it took me a while once I hadn't surfed in 329 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: a while, and once I got back into it, I 330 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: was frustrated a little bit. But I've never I've never 331 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: had a day of surfing at the end and told myself, Wow, 332 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: I wish, I wish I really didn't do that. 333 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: And I think that's interesting that surfing has kind of 334 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: been your go to because if you think about it, 335 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: the waves and getting knocked down and getting knocked down 336 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: so many times up until this point where you really 337 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: dove into serving, you were constantly getting knocked down. 338 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 3: I was totally getting knocked down. That's a great that's 339 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 3: a great way to look at it. And there's no route, 340 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 3: there's no kind of course. It's mother nature, you versus 341 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 3: mother nature. So you have to read the environment and 342 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 3: every wave is different and it's a great analogy for life. 343 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 2: Taking it break quickly. 344 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: To give the sponsor of today's episode Ultra a little 345 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: bit of love, I had the chance to sit down 346 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: with one of the brand's co founders, Golden Harper, a 347 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: few weeks ago in Park City, Utah, and the craziest 348 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: thing I got from our conversation, aside from the fact 349 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: that Harper actually currently holds the Guinness World Record for 350 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: the fastest marathon at age twelve, seriously, is that he 351 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: actually made the first pair of Ultras using a toaster. 352 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: Through this crazy science project in his kitchen, Harper was 353 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: able to create something really special and jumpstart a rapidly 354 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: successful shoe line that's helping people run injury free and 355 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: also winning awards like Crazy. 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The next thing that happens for you 366 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: at this point, as I think we can assume, is 367 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: that you're thinking about going to New York. 368 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I moved to New York. Like I said earlier, 369 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 3: I launched this New York office for my old previous employer, 370 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 3: which was great and it was a great experience. And 371 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 3: I met my current business partner when I first moved here. 372 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 3: And it's funny because he actually wanted to work for me, 373 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 3: and I told him that I was leaving I wanted 374 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 3: to start my own thing, and he actually pitched me 375 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 3: on this idea of opening up with this motorcycle shop. 376 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: And I was like, at this point, had you ever 377 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: ridden a motorcycle before? 378 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I had ridden motorcycles before, but I was not, 379 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 3: by any stretch imagination like a hardcore motorcycle rider. And 380 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 3: I hadn't ridden in a long long time. I just 381 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 3: I rode dirt bikes as a kid. I told him that, 382 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 3: get me on a motorcycle. Let's see how it goes. 383 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 3: If I like it and I don't kill myself, let's 384 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 3: do this. I knew that there had to be a 385 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 3: a clothing design element to it, and I hated how 386 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 3: motorcycle clothing look like. It looked like everybody looks like. 387 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: A stormtrooper from Star Wars. 388 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 3: It looks like all super technical, and I just didn't 389 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 3: identify with it. So I told him that if we're 390 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 3: going to do this, we're going to make this our 391 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: clothing company, and we're going to make something that you 392 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 3: can wear on the motorcycle. But it's is, you know, 393 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 3: well designed, well crafted, well produced, and it doesn't necessarily 394 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 3: look like you're riding a motorcycle. 395 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: All right, and so you like your motorcycle experience because 396 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: you're sitting here and you are the co founder of 397 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: Jan Motorcycles. 398 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 3: It worked Yeah, it's definitely. It was fun experience. In fact, 399 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 3: we you know, I started like riding right around this 400 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 3: part of the neighborhood. My partner lived in Chelsea at 401 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 3: the time, and by within twenty minutes we were we 402 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 3: were riding up and down the West Side Highway through 403 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 3: the FDR and I took to it right away, and 404 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, this is it. We're going to 405 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 3: do this. 406 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: So you did it, and so now Jane is looking 407 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: at do its second location. 408 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 3: We definitely want to expand to more stores. Meeting from 409 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 3: Los Angeles, it makes sense to open up a LA store, 410 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 3: not only because I have roots there and I have 411 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 3: a lot of contacts there, but the weather is nicer there. Well, 412 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 3: I was going to. 413 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: Say, with your decision to move to New York, I mean, like, 414 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: were you amp to get out east and go to 415 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: the Hampton's and Montoc I mean, where's the surfing here? 416 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: It's funny the surfing in New York it can be challenging. 417 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 3: You know, look today it's snowing. You know you need 418 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: a car or really be aggressive and take the subway. 419 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I'll surf in the Rockaways, which 420 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: is about forty minute drive from my house and the 421 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 3: surf can be really good. But I do spend a 422 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 3: lot of time in Montalk and in the Hampton's for 423 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 3: the summer, which was really It's really fun. But yeah, 424 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 3: it can definitely be a challenge living in New York City, 425 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 3: just the hustle of getting out and you know, I'm 426 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: sure you know, like just getting out and doing things 427 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 3: can be a challenge in New York City definitely. 428 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: I mean, especially on days like today where you wake 429 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: up and it's pouring rain and maybe in my case, 430 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: I have a scheduled workout class at eight am and 431 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do is leave that 432 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: apartment and figure out what questionable footwear is right for 433 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: the occasion. 434 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: It's not the ideal kind of situation, no no, But. 435 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 3: As I'm sure you know, like after you actually get 436 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 3: it done, you're super happy with your decision to get. 437 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: Out and go always every single time. So then what 438 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: does incorporating like wellness and fitness on the regular here 439 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: in New York City kind of look like for you now? 440 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 3: So, like I said, if I can get out and 441 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 3: surf as much as possible, that's my number one. That 442 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 3: obviously doesn't happen as often as I'd like. I try 443 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 3: to at least get into the gym four days a week. 444 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 3: I try to get break a sweat, you know, run. 445 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 3: I start with running, and then I started with lifting. 446 00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 3: I used to do a lot of crossbit. 447 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: I'm a crossfitter. I know you are. Sare we share this? 448 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 3: Yeah? We did, and I look. CrossFit was amazing for me. 449 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 3: It taught me so many things. The community of crossfits incredible. 450 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: I learned a lot of modalities and movements that I 451 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: had never known before. But I started to get injured 452 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 3: in places that I really didn't like getting injured in. 453 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 3: And you know, I'm turning forty five in a month, 454 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 3: and I just could the healing process was a little slow. 455 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 3: So I'm taking a break from CrossFit right now, but 456 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 3: I'm incorporating all of the like I said, the modalities, 457 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 3: the movements, the lifting, a lot of the techniques that 458 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 3: I've learned into my daily routine. I try to meditate 459 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 3: every day. 460 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 2: How's that go for you. 461 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 3: It's funny because there was a point in my life 462 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 3: where I told myself I would never be able to meditate. 463 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 3: I've been there, my being, you know, coming from like 464 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 3: that add kind of like fast brain, constantly moving, telling 465 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 3: myself that I couldn't slow down my brain. It was 466 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 3: a lie that I told myself that I couldn't meditate. 467 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 3: I used to think that you had to be in 468 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 3: lotus position, sitting on a pillow in the center of 469 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 3: a room and super uncomfortable, and if you had a 470 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 3: scratch on your nose, you couldn't scratch your nose. 471 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: And I also feel like the people at home should 472 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 1: know that Adam just moved his hands into like a 473 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: meditation pose. 474 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 2: I'm just sharing that with the world, so you all know. 475 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 3: You guys did miss out on a beautiful lotus poace. 476 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 3: But so I thought that that was the only way 477 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 3: you can meditate, and I that was wrong. You know. 478 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 2: I actually downloaded an app. 479 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 3: Called Headspace, which I'm sure you might know of, but 480 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 3: it's super helpful for anybody trying to just kind of 481 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 3: get started. 482 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: How long are you going for? 483 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 3: I fell off a little bit recently because the app 484 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 3: somehow deleted all my information. I had to like start 485 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 3: over again, which made me really upset. But I was 486 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 3: going strong for a while. I learned that I could 487 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 3: just sit on the couch with my feet on the 488 00:24:55,119 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: ground and breathe, Yeah, and check in and look. I 489 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 3: don't meditate every day, but I can tell you that 490 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 3: the days that I do meditate are one hundred percent 491 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: better than the days that I don't meditate. 492 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 2: And that's a great lesson to take from it. Yeah, 493 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 2: for sure, small wins, that's all. It just needs to 494 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: start with some small one exactly. 495 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: So, reflecting a little bit on your experience now as 496 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: a small business owner, a successful small business owner, what 497 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: do you kind of take from your experience after rehab 498 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: and you really kind of hone in on the lessons 499 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: you learn. 500 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: Then, now what do you reflect on the most? 501 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 3: Do you think what's prevented me from having so many 502 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: experiences my life in my prior life was was being 503 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 3: afraid to take a swing at things. The beginning stages 504 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 3: of being a beginner always scared me. Now I embrace 505 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 3: being a beginner. I embrace the newness of not knowing 506 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: what is the next step. It's kind of a beautiful thing, 507 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 3: not knowing what to do. When you're starting something new, 508 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 3: it can be scary and you're going to fail, and 509 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 3: you have to be somewhat nimble and you have to 510 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 3: make you know moves and evolve and edit and pivot 511 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 3: and all of the things that have to happen for 512 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 3: you to continue to move forward. But if you think 513 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: you know it all, you and that, in my opinion, 514 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 3: is probably the worst thing that you can possibly do. 515 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 3: So be open to being a beginner. There's something really 516 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 3: beautiful in that. 517 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: And I mean, I think something else that's important when 518 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: it comes to beginning is also this concept of procrastination. 519 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: A lot of people will procrastinate beginning because it's so scary. 520 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 3: I used to be such a procrastinator. I would literally 521 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 3: I used to not make my bed, and I would 522 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 3: sit on my couch and think for twenty minutes about 523 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 3: not making my bed, and while I could have just 524 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 3: gotten up one minute, made my bed and started my 525 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 3: day off. And you know, somebody once told me when 526 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 3: I got sober that like a messy bed is a 527 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 3: messy head. And it's a stupid little saying, but like 528 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 3: whenever I come home and I see that bed that's made, 529 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 3: I know that I accomplish something and that helps. And 530 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 3: you know, for me, procrastinating, it's something that I struggle with, 531 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,479 Speaker 3: but I know that every time I just kind of 532 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 3: get over the fear of doing something. It always works out, definitely. 533 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: And I mean so once you start making the bed 534 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: in your life, right then the other things just kind 535 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: of start to. 536 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: Fall start falling, They start falling into place. I mean 537 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 3: as you kind of you get you get in a groove, 538 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 3: you start to kind of get in a groove. And 539 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 3: you know, for me, every day for me is different. 540 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 3: Every day being an entrepreneur and running a business is 541 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 3: I'm always going to have something. You know, I don't 542 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 3: have like a set schedule, but having somewhat of a 543 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 3: focus for me is the way to start off my day. 544 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: What's one thing that you are hoping to accomplish both 545 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: personally and as an entrepreneur this year is. 546 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 3: Really trying to have more human connections with people. 547 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 2: Oh I like that one. Yeah, I'm really about that. 548 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. I really want to like have more opportunities to 549 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 3: to to have those deep human interactions with people. Because 550 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 3: I can tend to have a five minute conversation with 551 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 3: somebody and think, oh that's great, I'm ready to move 552 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 3: on to the next. But me and you like looking 553 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 3: at each other and having a real like common communication 554 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 3: and interact is what I'm striving for. Is to really 555 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 3: kind of have that more in with new friends, old friends, 556 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 3: with my beautiful fiance, with you know, my family. I 557 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: really want to slow down a little bit. 558 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: I think slowing down is just like the key terminology there, 559 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: especially in the city. 560 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 2: We're running from point A to point B. We're doing 561 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: twelve things at once, and that's too much. 562 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 3: It is too much, and I can be I've been 563 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 3: described as somewhat spastic in the past and somewhat you know, 564 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 3: high energy, and me, I think that's definitely something is 565 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 3: to kind of slow it down, slow it down, slow 566 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 3: it down. I mean, I can talk fast, I can 567 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 3: move my hands fast, I can do all these things. 568 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 3: But I feel that that's that's definitely on the list 569 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 3: of personal. As far as professional, I would like we 570 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 3: talked about earlier. Definitely would like to move into hopefully 571 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 3: securing a place in Los Angeles, Definitely scaling our business, 572 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,479 Speaker 3: growing the company, which we're doing every day, hiring new people, 573 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 3: which we're doing this week and every day, but growing 574 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 3: the line, and really becoming more of the international clothing 575 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 3: company that we started. 576 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: We're starting right now. 577 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: For someone that feels stuck like you did at that 578 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: point where you felt like you needed to be a 579 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: people pleaser. 580 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: What would you say to that kind of person right now? 581 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 3: I would say, be as authentic as of a person 582 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 3: as you can be. Stop worrying about what people think. Look, 583 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 3: I still struggle with the fact of like trying to 584 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 3: people please people, people please people. 585 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: See as people please. There, I'm still struggling with being 586 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: a people pleaser. 587 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 2: Yes, wow, say that ten times fast exactly. 588 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 3: But I would say, definitely. 589 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 2: Be your authentic self. 590 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 3: And what that means is stop listening to what other 591 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 3: people tell you that you should be doing. And I'm 592 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: not saying to be a rebel and don't and go 593 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 3: against authority and be an anarchist, but really like listen 594 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 3: to your heart. And I wish I could have taken 595 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 3: that advice from me a long time ago. And for me, 596 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 3: it's someone who, you know, I needed to lose everything 597 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 3: to kind of really get that lesson. And I hope 598 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 3: that that doesn't have to happen to anybody else. But 599 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 3: like some people, that's the only way they learn is 600 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 3: to really like lose it all to kind of like 601 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 3: dig themselves out of kind of like a phoenix rising 602 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 3: from the ashes. 603 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 2: But I. 604 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: Hope that that doesn't happen. I would also say another 605 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: lesson that I've learned is be of service to other 606 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 3: people much as possible, is to really help somebody else out. 607 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 2: So what does that look like for you? 608 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 3: For me, it looks it manifests in a lot of ways. 609 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 3: But it's like whether just just being a good listener, 610 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 3: helping anybody out if they need a ride or if 611 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: they need to be picked up at the airport. It's 612 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 3: just something that can help their day be a little 613 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 3: bit better. We've something that I'm really happy with that 614 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 3: I've done recently or not recently, that what we created 615 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 3: was an AA meeting at Jane Motorcycles. It's a men's 616 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 3: meeting every Wednesday night at four thirty, I mean sorry 617 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 3: four thirty at seven thirty. We have up to like 618 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 3: fifty men come to night and it's all entrepreneurs, successful guys. 619 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 3: It's men only, and so it's everybody from like successful entrepreneurs, 620 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 3: business owners, restaurant tours, designers to somebody with one day 621 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 3: just trying to save their life. And that to me 622 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 3: is probably been one of the most rewarding things that 623 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 3: I've ever done, is to see somebody come in with 624 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 3: one day see what see the kind of group of 625 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 3: men that we've kind of put together, take them under 626 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 3: our wing and have them and see the light turned 627 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 3: back on in their eyes, to see them kind of 628 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 3: rebuild their lives, to see them get things back with 629 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 3: their family, their relationships. It's an amazing ripple effect that like, 630 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 3: it's it's one of my proudest things we've ever accomplished. 631 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 2: That's outstanding. 632 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 633 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: The last thing I kind of want to touch upon, 634 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: and you were talking about it a few minutes back, 635 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: is just this idea of self doubt. I think that 636 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: it's really easy when things are uncertain to just doubt yourself. 637 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: How today do you get past what? 638 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: That looks? Like? 639 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 3: Wow? I mean it's it can be scary, you know, 640 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 3: like self doubt can be super scary. And one lesson 641 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 3: that I've learned is to do a contrary action. Like 642 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 3: when you think you shouldn't you're doing something that doesn't 643 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 3: make sense, do the opposite. And I know that sounds 644 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 3: like that might not make sense, but if I'm in 645 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 3: self doubt, that obviously there's something there that is like 646 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 3: within internally that I have to kind of move forward. 647 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 3: So I will do the opposite. I like if I'm 648 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 3: scared to do a podcast, I'm going to do a podcast. 649 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 3: Look at you gout yeah, and look at you go. 650 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 3: I mean, this is an incredible experience that that you've 651 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 3: decided to do. Like, I don't know if that was 652 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 3: there was like maybe some hurdles with you. I mean, 653 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 3: I know there are, but like for you to kind 654 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 3: of start this, there might have been some self doubt. 655 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 3: Everybody told us initially that motorcycles and clothing and coffee, 656 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 3: you're stupid. What are you doing? Pick one and stick 657 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 3: to it. We we had some self doubt by listening 658 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 3: to the professionals telling us that, but we decided to 659 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 3: not listen to them, be our authentic self and take 660 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 3: a swing at it and jump in with both feet 661 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 3: and do it. 662 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: That is the kind of advice that I think is 663 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: a great place to leave off. Adam, Thank you so 664 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: much for coming in. Thank you chatting with me. 665 00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, this has been great. 666 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: Please take a moment to leave a quick review by 667 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: clicking the link with the description to this episode. We 668 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 1: all face multiple hurdles in life. 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