1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M 4 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: name is They call me Ben. We are joined as 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: always with our super producer, Paul Mission controlled decans. Most importantly, 7 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Generally speaking, most 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: of us when we tune into the show, we we 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: have some sort of at least surface level familiarity with 11 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: the subject of the episode. You know, everybody knows that JFK, 12 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: for instance, was assassinated. Right, people are familiar with that. 13 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: Everybody knows. I'm pretty sure it's that's the same thing 14 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: to say people know that. Uh. For millennia, folks have 15 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: chased after allegations of aliens, extra terrestrials and identified flying objects. 16 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: But today's episode explores a subject that may well be 17 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: unfamiliar to most of us. Until quite recently, the four 18 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: of us had never heard of this phenomenon. It's a 19 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: story that deals with a strange and unsettling intersection between 20 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: folklore and crime, and this is the type of crime 21 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: that requires a disclaimer or trigger warning. Today's episode contains 22 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: descriptions of mature themes and sexual violence, not graphic descriptions, 23 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: but they do occur in the story. Yeah, a lot 24 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: of people are familiar with with something that we're going 25 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: to talk about today that's similar. They are related. Let's say, Yeah, 26 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: this is a weird segue and this is a little weird. 27 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: Next thing in the notes is most folks are familiar 28 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: with the Ranglaton doctor zis dr zaias doctor duct. That's 29 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: what I always think about. Yeah, orangutans, the orangey looking 30 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: greater apes. They're they're fantastic. My son loves them. And 31 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: the name translates to old man of the woods and 32 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: they look at yeah totally, I mean really, Yeah. There 33 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: are three species of great apes at least now, there 34 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: are three species of great apes found in Indonesia Malaysia, 35 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: and the most famous fictional orangutan is Doctors as of 36 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: Planet of the Apes fame. But there's another, much less 37 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: lovable orange in the mix. It's called the orange maniac 38 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:41,839 Speaker 1: in the Malay language. This name means the oily man. Yeah, yeah, 39 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: it's one. It's only one of many similar mythical beasts 40 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: in the region. There are It turns out there's there's 41 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: a whole posse of orangue variations. Yeah, there's the tailed 42 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: man or orange acor or ichor uh. This is a 43 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: race of men and women who have tails. Again, a 44 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: mythical race of men and women have tails. There's the 45 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: orange good dang, which is great to say rang um. 46 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: That is the big man. This is to me, this 47 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: feels similar to a big footash sasquatched kind of kind 48 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: of creature. The big Man is like a ten foot 49 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: tall beast with long hair. He's either a viking orangutan 50 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: or just a big foot. Hmm. There's also the orange 51 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: batti or flying man. This creature stands about five ft 52 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: tall and it has these black, leathery wings. This one 53 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: is best known for living in dormant volcanoes. And that's 54 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: This is just a taste of the various ranges. But 55 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: in folklore, the arrange manyac is a supernatural creature and 56 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: it is known for abducting and attacking women in the night. 57 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: Descriptions of this creature vary, and they vary widely. Sometimes 58 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: it's described as just a naked dude. Sometimes it's a 59 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: man wearing black swimming trunks. Sometimes it's only a vaguely 60 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: humanoid figure, occasionally covered with hair and so on. It's 61 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: occasionally described as being a human warlock, or the victim 62 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: of a magical curse, or the willing practitioner of a 63 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,679 Speaker 1: magical right. Sometimes it is said not to be human 64 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: at all. And it's kind of tough to get a 65 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: physical description of this creature except for one thing. Yeah, 66 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: and it's a bit odd because it's described in so 67 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: many varying ways that it feels like there could be 68 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: many of this thing, this arang migniac. That's not just 69 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: a single creature out there. Um So, so if you 70 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: think about it in that way. The height and weight 71 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: have been described with a huge range from super skinny 72 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: too obese, from tall like taller than a normal man, 73 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: too much smaller, diminutive. Um. The eye color can alternate 74 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: between yellow, gold, red, even sometimes just jet black guys, 75 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: And these descriptions are complicated by a recurring claim that 76 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: only a certain type of human being can see these creatures, 77 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: specifically people who have not had sexual intercourse. R Yes. Yeah, 78 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: and you'll hear all these legends about this type of 79 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: creature that's the result of a spurned lover that has 80 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: gained powers because he has solicited the services of a bomo, 81 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: which is a Malayan witch doctor, or a contract with 82 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,559 Speaker 1: a creature from the spiritual world. I want to pause 83 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 1: there for a second and point out that the phrase 84 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: witch doctor is is commonly seen as a pejorative, you know, 85 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: and I think in a lot of ways it's dismissive 86 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: of people's spiritual or cultural practices. But in this case, 87 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: that's that's the way it has been self described as well. 88 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: So their term not ours, but whether they have made 89 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: a contract with a boma or a creature entirely from 90 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: the spiritual world. The the pact itself is insidious and infernal. 91 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: The ideas that it's the old trope so common in 92 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: so many stories throughout legend, mythology and folklore. What would 93 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: you do? How far would you go for the love 94 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: of your life to obtain their favor? In this case, 95 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: the contract is um is brutal. The idea is that 96 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: this person must or this creature must sexually assault X 97 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: number of people by X number of days, and in 98 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: doing so will have completed their end of the contract. 99 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: And then the person that they are seeking to fall 100 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: in love with for the rest of their life, will 101 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: fall in love with them. An alternate version would be 102 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: that the um maniac is themselves a perspective Beaumo, and 103 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: will be um completing their are schooling. It's like the 104 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: final rite of Passages, this series of horrific acts, and 105 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: that's similar in some ways. I guess the the danger, 106 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: the inherent crime or write of passage it reminds it 107 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: could remind some of us of the Skull Amounts, which 108 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: was the secret Devil's academy for witches and warlocks so 109 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: famous in European folklore. And the way that the Skull 110 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: Amounts is often described as that a certain number of 111 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: students and role each term or each year, and that 112 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: at the end of that term or year, they all 113 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: have to race out the door, and the last one 114 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: to get to the door belongs to the devil. I know, 115 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: high stakes stakes. And you thought the l s at 116 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: the LS that was stressful, right, yeah. I'll tell you 117 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: the factor that I love about the descriptions of the 118 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: thing that always comes back to it being coated in 119 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: some sort of shiny, greasy material and that's how you 120 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: know they has captured literally slipped slick, slipping out of 121 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: the clutches of his pursuer. Yeah, the old greased pig 122 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: strategy exactly. But the unnatural speed thing is also up 123 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: there for sure. If you're greasy and speedy. I mean 124 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: we all, we've all made not all of us, many 125 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: of us have heard of the old greased up pig 126 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: thing and how difficult it is. And a pig that's 127 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: going fast it's all greasy. I feel like that's the 128 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: thing a lot of people have heard of but not 129 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: seen in real life. Yeah, grown up in for Southghany, 130 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: because I still that inve No, I'm just kidding. I 131 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: did in Texas the Rodeo. Yeah, exactly, I saw it 132 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: in I saw it in my earlier years, and uh 133 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: it was gross. It turns out that's a messy, gross pursuit. Yeah, 134 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: it's either I don't like pigs or I don't like 135 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: grease enough. But you're right, No, old this, this shiny, 136 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: greasy substance is the one common factor, and that's why 137 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: it plays into the name on a forensic note, which 138 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: will be important later. It would be pretty safe for 139 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: us to assume that someone covered in some kind an 140 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: oily substance would leave fingerprints everywhere, right, or footprints, especially 141 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: if they're nude and barefoot, but from what we find, 142 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: apparently they don't. Apparently that's part of the supernatural aspect 143 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: of their being. So it's supernatural Greece, is what you're saying. 144 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's the alleged thing is interesting because it 145 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: will also cake on people's skin when it touches them 146 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: it's victims or something, but it won't it won't cake 147 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: or leave a residue on floors, walls, door knobs, window panes, 148 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: and so on. And now that we we've got an 149 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: okay description as that is as best of a description 150 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: of of an arrangue magnac as you will find. But 151 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: let's talk about its behavior, and we'll get to that 152 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: right after a quick word from our sponsor. So the 153 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: physical description of this thing sounds at the very least 154 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: wolf lee unhygienic, but its behavior is terrifying because you see, 155 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: unlike other monsters from folklore that primarily seem to harm 156 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: human beings in an attempt to feed on them or 157 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: maybe to protect some specific location a sacred grove, a 158 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: hidden spring, and on and on, the orange maniac is 159 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: known specifically for sexually assaulting its victims, typically female, often 160 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: thought to target virgins exclusively. And this maniac, according to 161 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: the story, has the ability to paralyze its victims, so 162 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: it's similar to the sleep paralysis descriptions of succubus or 163 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: an incubus. It has the ability to physically stop people 164 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: from moving, and it finds them sometimes at night when 165 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: they're asleep, but sometimes also when they're awake, so it 166 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: can't entirely be attributed to sleep paralysis, right, And there 167 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: are ways you can protect yourself from a maniac should 168 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: you feel that one maybe uh targeting you. Yeah, so 169 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: the first thing you gotta do, or maybe the best thing, 170 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: find yourself a good old fashioned sorcerer. You know a 171 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: couple of sorcerers, don't you, Matt, I'm sitting next to one. Well, 172 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: that's true, he's talking about Ben. Yeah. You could also 173 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: arrange male clothes as an m l E. Clothes in 174 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: some kind of barrier around your bed, so almost like 175 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: a circle, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Or you could just 176 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: wear men's clothes to bed. That seems like a better 177 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: idea of rather than getting a whole bunch of men's 178 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: clothes and putting around the bed. I do that all 179 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: the time. I do not. Laundry pile is. Another solution 180 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: would be to bite your left thumb hard and cover 181 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: it in a magically treated cloth or fabric, something that 182 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: has been blessed or sanctified somehow. This is called b 183 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: A T I K. And it's only supposed to work 184 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: while an assault is taking place, so timing is key. 185 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: I'm imagining that you would need to bite it so 186 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: hard as to draw blood. I would assume I hadn't 187 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: found that, but I am. Usually, if you have to 188 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: do some sort of magical ritual involving a bite, it 189 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: does have to pierce the flesh. I. According to some stories, 190 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: a few superstitious people, when they were worried that a 191 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: maniac might be in their area, even began wearing sweaty clothes, 192 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: with the thought being that it would look like they 193 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: had just had some sort of sexual activity. Wow. Uh. 194 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: And then there's one last thing here. It says, uh, 195 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: have a big old knife. You call that a note. 196 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: That says a note, which is such a good line. 197 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: Just you know, get that old slippery mignac with that 198 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: knife and you're good to go, right, so in other words, 199 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: just kill it with the weapons, but you can't there 200 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: because it's this other worldly creature like there, and there's 201 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: a lot of unknown stone in the stories at least. Yeah, 202 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: So it's weird because it's it's similar to the early 203 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: stories of a lot of folkloric beings. You know, before, 204 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: before we had mass media, regional stories of vampires would 205 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: widely vary, you know, whether you're in Greece or whether 206 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: you're in Bulgaria or Syria or something, because the seed 207 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: of the story is sort of like it's where it starts, 208 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: and then everyone is it. I don't know. Is it 209 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: parallel thinking? Is it like one story that gets translated 210 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: and kind of moved around Like I'm wondering. I guess 211 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: it's more telephone in this case, because the name might 212 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: be familiar, or there will be parallel thinking, and that 213 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: there will be two very different creatures with two very 214 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: different idiosyncrasies, but they're all after your blood or your 215 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: liver or whatever. What occurs to me here, though, is 216 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: when we talked to David Bakara about Sasquatch and Bigfoot 217 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: and all that and so many reports of them moving 218 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: very very fast, asked and Uh, running around on all 219 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: four is like you know, the whole story he told 220 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: about one going under a truck, I believe, and like 221 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, running alongside it. This occurs to me. This 222 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: creature is almost like a more rapey, creepy Bigfoot. Yet 223 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: you know not, No, it's known specifically for that oil, 224 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: but there are reports of tall ones. It's weird because 225 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: there's so many variations. And we see again that these 226 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: variations did not get codified into a single common description 227 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: until mass media. Because the mignionk was around in folklore 228 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: in Malaysia for a long, long, long long time and 229 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: as well as you know what, it transmitted through that 230 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: telephone game to Thailand, to Singapore to other areas in 231 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: the region. But it wasn't really sort of like how 232 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,239 Speaker 1: Santa Claus always looked different until the Coca Cola commercials. 233 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't really um a singular recognizable thing until it 234 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: experience and stay cultural resurgence in the late nineteen fifties. 235 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty eight, three different films about Arong maniac Uh, 236 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: they they hit the theaters. One was in a burst 237 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: of Creativity Arod Migniac. The other was Supa Arod magniac 238 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: and then Saragan Arod Migniac. The sample plot is this, 239 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: we'll just take one in Supa A Wrong Maniac or 240 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: Curse of the Oily Man. My favorite subtitle of any 241 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: movie ever. Great title, right, The orang Maniac was a 242 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: man who was cursed in an attempt to win back 243 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: has lost love. So it's it's kind of like if 244 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: one to do a pop culture comparison and take out 245 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: the egregious sexual assault involved in the film. Uh, it's 246 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: sort of like Todd McFarland's Spawn. In Spawn, the protagonist 247 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: is is not a very good person in their um 248 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: special Forces soldier kind of guy. They die, they go 249 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: to hell. They make a deal with an infernal creature 250 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: because they want to go back and win the love 251 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: of their life and be a better person. I think 252 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: the guy's name was Al Simmons. So he gets the 253 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: deal from the devil and then he comes back to 254 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: the world, but he comes back as like a servant 255 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: of evil, and he still tries to get back with 256 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: his you know, and his wife. The devil offered to 257 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: help this man in some rong minyak and give him 258 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: powers of the Black Arts, but only if the Mignyak 259 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: worshiped him and assaulted within a week twenty one virgins, 260 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: very specific, very specific. Yeah, you have to wonder if 261 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: there's some numerological significance there. In other versions, it's a 262 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: little more like the Cabinet of Dr Klighari. Do you 263 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: guys remember that one man it was? That's still a 264 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: spooky would but that that's where the wrong Magnyac becomes 265 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: more like um, almost like a golemn, or like a 266 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: somnambulist who's controlled by this evil authority, whether that's a 267 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: Boma sorcerer, the Calgary, it's a hypnotist. But the you know, 268 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: the comparison holds true, and so for decades here we go. 269 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: I love the Bigfoot comparison we're drawing here because for 270 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: decades people have been divided in their opinion in this story. 271 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: Is the wrong Mignyac a boogeyman? Just a fictional device 272 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: used to enforce compliance to social norms. Don't go out 273 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: late at night. Don't go out late at night alone, 274 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Don't go drinking and drugging 275 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: in the woods. Be careful around men that are not 276 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: related to you, especially if they're kind of oily, and 277 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: that's that's where a lot, honestly, that's where a lot 278 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: of these sorts of stories originate to get people to 279 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: from cradle to the grave, obey the rules of their society, 280 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: or usually in an attempt to keep people safe. Right. 281 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: But then we have the debate that's so similar to 282 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: Bigfoot or the Yeti, which is there's a contingent of 283 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: people who have always argued that these are real, actual 284 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: flesh and blood organisms. So is it some kind of 285 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: cryptic that may now or at one time have existed 286 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: in the wild. This is an interesting This is an 287 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: interesting question because we know that Malaysia and Indonesia both 288 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: have been home to tremendous biodiversity in the past, and 289 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: a lot of those creatures have since gone extinct. So 290 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: it could be it could be similar to the austro 291 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: lepithecus theory about you know, early early human like creatures 292 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: encountering this gigantic ape. Oh yeah. Or it could just 293 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: be made up to keep people from going out and 294 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: being unsafe at night, or has it become something more. 295 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: This last question is crucial because while this creature may 296 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: well be considered little more than a grizzly fair retail today. 297 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: The crimes attributed to it are tragically and undeniably real, 298 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: and they are happening as we record this. And I 299 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: remember you told this to me outside of War of 300 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: the office. We were hanging out briefly, and I was like, 301 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: I cannot believe this is true. And the story and 302 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: itself is good because it would be enough to make 303 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: an episode on its own, but this twist is out 304 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: of control. Unfortunately that's the case. What are we talking about. 305 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: We'll tell you after a word from our sponsor. Here's 306 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. So before the movies ever came 307 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: out in there, there, you know, was an occasional sighting 308 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: and crime, like actual crimes reported to the authorities, about 309 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: things that have been done or crimes that have been 310 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: committed by some orang miniac or the orang miniac. And uh, 311 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: you know those those those movies, those films, they heralded 312 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: this other cultural event. Uh, reports that would come in 313 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: about attacks or about sightings or about at least some 314 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: encounter with the orange maniac. M Yeah, these were reports. 315 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: Were not just hey, there's a dirty, grease coated guy 316 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: kind of slinking around the local car wash or something. 317 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: These were reports of sightings and of attempted sexual assault, 318 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: and there were tons and tons and tons of these. 319 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: The reports skyrocket through the nineteen sixties and the nineteen seventies. 320 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: Remember that those films come out in nineteen fifty eight, 321 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: and there were I believe one or two other Orange 322 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: Maniac films that came out in the seventies. Let's say, oh, 323 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: Oily Maniac from that's fantastic. And we have to remember too, 324 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: it's like over here or in the States, a lot 325 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: of these folklore type things that are United States centric. 326 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: It's very niche. The people that will be like, this 327 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: is a thing. Let's attribute real events to this creature 328 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: culturally over here, and then we're talking about it's much 329 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: more I think, accepted as a real thing as opposed 330 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: to like a legend. Yeah, there's uh there. There's a 331 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: conversation that's a lot more divisive between the skeptical part 332 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: of the population and the people who, well, I don't 333 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: want to say our credulous, but the people who saw 334 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: something firsthand and believe they experienced it. The reports still continue, 335 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: as we said, in the modern day. In November of 336 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: two thousand five, the Malaysian National News Agency reported that 337 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: a uh Kuala Lumpur hospital was shaken by news that 338 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: an arrange magnac or oily man was on the prowl 339 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: on its premises trying to assault nurses. And we we 340 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: have this story about this because one thing we have 341 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: to note for the purposes of this story, the nurses 342 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: live on site. So at three am on Tuesday of 343 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: that week, a nurse in her thirties who was in 344 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: the nurses quarters I was sort of almost like a 345 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: hostile uh in on the hospital grounds, was believed to 346 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: have been um sexually assaulted by a man armed with 347 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: a knife and whose body and face was covered with oil. 348 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: A police spokesperson said the man had entered the nurses 349 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: room in the dormitory and threatened the woman before tying 350 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: her up, binding her hand defeat and then undressing her. 351 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: This is hard, it's hard to describe um. He said 352 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: that a security guard of the hostel became aware of 353 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: the nurses situation at around five am when he heard 354 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: her screaming for help, and then the guard untied the 355 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: nurse who this was her room exclusively. She did not 356 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: have any any flatmates, so that was that was attempted. 357 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: Fortunately it was not doesn't sound any was successfully complete did, 358 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: but it is weird that there is no report of 359 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: him seeing anyone or any like, I'm not seeing a 360 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: lot of the evidence of oil or anything. And the 361 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: nurse in this story claims that it was at a 362 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: wrong Mignac and two thousand five. This continues. In Christmas 363 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: of two thousand twelve, The Star Online reported there were 364 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: multiple sightings over the Christmas holidays. Uh. One eye witness 365 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: even described its behavior. They saw it moving. Yeah, this 366 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: is a quote crawling up the stairs of the house, 367 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: just like Spider Man. When it reached the top, it 368 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: suddenly jumped onto the roof. I don't think a human 369 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: could do that. It then just disappeared. And the person 370 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: who's reporting this, the eyewitness, says, we can laugh and 371 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: joke about this, but this is serious. All the families 372 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: here have young girls. So this sounds like a person saying, 373 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: I get that this might sound provincial, or this might 374 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: sound like a rural superstition. Two people reading this story, 375 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: but we are actual people who live here were genuinely concerned. 376 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah uh. In The Star also reported a woman 377 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: claimed that she had nearly been assaulted by an a 378 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: wrong Magnac at a petrol station gas station toilet. This 379 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: was via the Harry and Metro. She gave her name 380 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: Eli Sharia Molda. She was thirty years old. Told police 381 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: she put up a struggle because a man dressed only 382 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: in red underwear entered the entered the restroom while she 383 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: was in there. I was in one of the stalls 384 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: when I heard the door to the main toilet entrance 385 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: open and closed. Had a bad feeling, decided to leave 386 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: when I saw the man clad in underwear. He tried 387 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: to push her back into the cubicle the bathroom stall, 388 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: but she fought him off and ran out of the toilet, 389 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: shouting for help. The guy ran away towards the back 390 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: of the gas station. The police confirmed this happened. The 391 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: police confirmed that she said there was and orangue Minyac 392 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: and police, we should note, are actively cited in these investigations, 393 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: uh sometimes in a skeptical way. In twenty seventeen, in August, 394 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: police debunked and Arrange Minyac story, or they denied it. 395 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: In Malacca, there was a village. There are two villages Malacca, 396 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: Tenga and Justin and the Assistant Commissioner Afness are Ahmad 397 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: was asked about these messages that were circulating over social 398 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: media over the past two days. There were attacks that 399 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: were rumored to be perpetrated by a wrong minyak, and 400 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: he said, quote such unfounded claims will cause unnecessary anxiety 401 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: among villagers. Will act against those who spread such lies. 402 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: So he said, we're we're going to not only deny 403 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: this stuff, but if you're spreading this stuff, we're gonna 404 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: shut you down. To at this point in the story 405 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: that creatures supposedly entered five homes in the area and attempted, 406 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: at the very least attempted acts of assault. And this 407 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: this leads us to the question, this is something we 408 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: talked about off air too. What's going on? You know, 409 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: the reports of declined since the sixties and seventies, but 410 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: there's still occurring. That last story is from twenty seventeen, 411 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: that was not very long ago. Is there something like this? Okay, 412 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: something's happening, right, yeah, Okay. So to me that the 413 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,719 Speaker 1: story of the woman in the bathroom with a man 414 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: clearly wearing red underwear um to me that one is 415 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: easily just a human male, at least in my mind, 416 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: a human male that is a monster and attempting to 417 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: rape a woman in a bathroom stall. That's what it 418 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: sounds like to me. But then it has that cultural 419 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: uh surrounding of what what a rapist essentially is. Well, 420 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: and my question to is how how do the cultural 421 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: um kind of stars align that this they are able 422 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: to successfully blame it on this urban legend, Like I 423 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: wanted to bring that up earlier, like, how do you 424 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: think do you think in general culturally there's more of 425 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: a willingness to accept myth as reality than there is 426 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: over here. I'm wondering what you think is leading to 427 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: this being a legitimate a thing to blame these crimes on. Right, 428 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: We also, well, we have to remember that one person's 429 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: myth is another person's matter of fact, you know, depending 430 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: on where they live. There are people who will assure 431 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: you that everyone in the United States is deluded because 432 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: they believe in myths like democracy or capitalism, which is 433 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: not the same hopefully as a supernatural creature breaking into 434 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: people's houses at night. But it's also not perfect. It's 435 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: weird because we have to wonder, we have to wonder 436 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: how much of it is willing, you know, like you said, 437 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: a suspension of disbelief, a willingness to attribute mundane tragedies 438 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: to supernatural causes. It Also, you guys have heard about Iceland, 439 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: right and their belief in elves or fairies. If you're 440 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: familiar with this. Our super producer Paul Michigantrol Decade traveled 441 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: to Iceland and I can't remember if we talked about it. 442 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: We've got to figure this out off air. I have 443 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: heard that people will attribute construction problems and things to 444 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: elves Inland, and surely a lot of that that is 445 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: with a nod and a wink. But uh, there was something. 446 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: There was some pole I read wherein the residents of 447 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: Iceland who participated self reported to believe in in elves, 448 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: to actually no fooling believe in them. And you have 449 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: to you have to wonder if you're in an environment 450 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: where you may be relatively isolated. Uh, our knowledge of 451 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: what is or is not true is largely going to 452 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: be based on our own experiences and interactions. You can 453 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: you can read about a country like Bhutan, for instance, 454 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: for your entire life. You can see pictures that say 455 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: they're from there, but there are people will argue that 456 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: you don't know something for sure unless you experience it firsthand. 457 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: I don't particularly subscribe to that or ascribe to that rather, 458 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: but there are people who who believe that. So maybe 459 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: maybe they're saying, I believe this because I saw something 460 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: inexplicable and the closest thing to my knowledge in my 461 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: like data banks that that um resembles what I know 462 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: that I physically saw is this thing called in the 463 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: wrong Mignac. So maybe they believe it and also want 464 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: to walk back what I said, just ever so slightly, 465 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: Like I mean, you know, you could say that Christianity 466 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: is a myth and that people outside of the United 467 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: States look at that as being a widely accepted belief 468 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: as bonkers and like like, how could you believe than 469 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: this this magical creature of Jesus Christ or you know 470 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: what I mean. It's just all about it's all about 471 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: your perspective and where you're coming from. What is a 472 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: myth versus what is a belief system? And I just 473 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: think it's interesting. You know, we blame things on religion 474 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: all the time, you know, so it's it's really not 475 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: that different. You know. It's true legally we do have things, 476 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: uh called acts of God. Yeah, it's like all right, Sorry, 477 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: we don't have to pay you for this because it 478 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: was an act of God. I think that should be 479 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: changed to natures. Yep, so you heard it here, folks. 480 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: You heard it here first, folks, Matt Frederick. Regardless though, 481 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: then this, this is a conversation that can get very 482 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: deep and very complicated very quickly, right, and regardless of 483 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: what you think. And No, to be absolutely clear, we 484 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: are not we are not making a one to one 485 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: comparison between the wrong maniac capitalism, Christianity, and democracy. Those 486 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: are ideologies. But there's still their beliefs, right, there's still 487 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: beliefs at this point, though, regardless value feel about any 488 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: of those things. It looks extremely likely, I would say 489 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: overwhelmingly likely. In fact, I would say I have certitude 490 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: about this. I am certain that at multiple times genuine 491 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: sexual crimes were either dismissed or actively covered up through 492 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: the through attributing this to a supernatural creature. No, it wasn't. 493 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: It wasn't that guy who has had like four or 494 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: five other previous run ins with the law. It was 495 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: the irong migniac. Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with with that 496 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: which you assert. I mean, there's always the notion of 497 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: public panic too, right. I'm not saying that people are 498 00:31:53,880 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: always intentionally trying to cover up a crime using this. 499 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: There's always notion to outbreak like a moral panic, they're called. 500 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: And I know in our previous work with reports of 501 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: serial killers, for instance, one thing that we've seen um 502 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: happen every single time, every single time there's an active, 503 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: identified serial killer, none has not been apprehended, or even 504 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: after the most likely suspect is apprehended, police departments and 505 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,719 Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies will be inundated with the weirdest calls. 506 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: People who confess to being the killer because they want attention, 507 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: People who are certain they've seen the killer, people who 508 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 1: have some sort of like very very um low effort 509 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: count of Monte Cristo revenge scheme, who reports someone they 510 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: don't like at work or in their personal life as 511 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: the killer. That happens so often. And then this this 512 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: also has a little bit of a uh cultural divide. 513 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: Is is some one saying that there's a language divide, right, 514 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: That's a better way to say it. Is someone saying 515 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: that when they're saying I was attacked by ring Migniac, 516 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: do they mean I was attacked by this supernatural creature 517 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: or do they mean I was attacked by this creepy 518 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: dude covered in slime or oil? In this case, regardless 519 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: public panic aside, it looks like several criminals took advantage 520 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: of a longstanding belief. And as we record this, these 521 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: people got away clean with their crimes. They dressed up right, 522 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: I mean this is and not to sound dismissive, they 523 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: disguised themselves. They participated in causplay for the purpose of crime. 524 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: This is similar to saying, for instance, let's make uh, 525 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: let's make it part of folklore that bigfoot is in 526 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: addition to being real known for robbing banks, and then 527 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: let's all dress up his big foot and start rob banks. 528 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: Brilliant And then it was never it was never us. 529 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: It was a group of big feet. Big feet. Um. 530 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: But this, this is the case, and this is something 531 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: at this point we haven't we haven't cracked the case on. 532 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: We know that the police clearly hate this idea. It's 533 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: not helpful for an investigation, No, not at all. At 534 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: least again, I keep going back to the red underpants thing, 535 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: because at least that's a good description of the person 536 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: and hopefully a witness I saw that person that if 537 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: you just describe it as a naked, oily human being 538 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: that is this other creature, that's not a lot to 539 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: go on for law enforcement. That's that's definitely unfortunate. You 540 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,959 Speaker 1: can only hope that people out there very soon will 541 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: begin to understand that there are awful human beings that 542 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: exist in the world that will do terrible things and 543 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 1: those are the ones that you need to blame it on, 544 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: not some myth. It's interesting because there there are other reports. 545 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: Asia One reported that as recently as two thousand twelve, 546 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: in some regions of the area, people overwhelmingly did believe 547 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: in the wrong miniac, especially in kampang La Samana. It's 548 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: it's apparently very difficult to find a resident who doesn't 549 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: believe in arang maniac or feel like they have seen it. 550 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,479 Speaker 1: This was a place where, remember we we talked about 551 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: the spike in reports. Over Christmas of that year, two 552 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: hundred people went out into the street patrolling the area. 553 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: They carried machetes, axes, sticks, whatever they could find and spotlights. 554 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: So people actually went out on a search for this thing. 555 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: And you know, there's some there's something else here. Because 556 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: when we were describing what an arang maniac is or 557 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: could be. With all the various descriptions up at the 558 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: top of this episode, one of the major versions of 559 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: this is a spurned lover, a human being that is 560 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: a spurned lover. Right, So it's even if there's some 561 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: kind of supernatural or the belief of supernatural power working 562 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: through this human being, it is a human being, and 563 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: I think it as long as that is kept. Perhaps, 564 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 1: I know that's not the only description, but if that 565 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: thought is kept, then hopefully some of these some of 566 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: these human monsters can be apprehended and this could be stopped, 567 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: and at least in the minds of people, they could 568 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: have that framing of seeing something very real, even if 569 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: it is supernaturally enhanced. So yeah, I guess I don't 570 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: know what else to say. Well, you know, at this point, 571 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: this is where, this is where the story ends. It's 572 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: tremendously fortunate that these reports have precipitously declined, but it's 573 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: tremendously tragic that they still continue, you know what I mean. 574 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: And this is where we want to hand this story 575 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: over to you. Thank you so much for listening. Let 576 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: us know if there are any similar things like this 577 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: in your neck of the global woods, whether that's Peru, Pennsylvania, uh, Paraguay, Paris, 578 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: even places that don't begin with the peak. And we're 579 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: asking this. 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