WEBVTT - Treasonous Traitors 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.360 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay Up Daily with 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:19.880 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Home Bunker, So, folks. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:31.360 Three hundred documents classified, Special Program classified. A sternly worded 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:37.440 letter from the National Archives Acting Archives to Donald Trump's 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:43.160 attorney about the fifteen boxes that were retrieved from Mara 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:48.400 Lago after the FBI went in to search the premises 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.280 for property that belongs to the United States. Come to 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.880 find out, dear friends, that Donald Trump, the man who 0:00:55.960 --> 0:01:01.000 doesn't fucking read and couldn't sit down for his own 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:05.480 intelligence briefings when he was the godforsaken president of these 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:09.800 United States, seems to have been going through these three 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:14.920 hundred documents all by his little lonesome. And the question 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:20.639 that I have is, what the fuck do you think 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:26.120 everyone everyone is waiting for in order to indict Donald Trump. 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:30.480 Let's piece together a couple of things, shall we. When 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:35.160 Jared Kushner left the White House after the disgrace twice 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:40.080 impeached President was voted out of office in twenty twenty, 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:47.200 he received a very large, very large cash infusion to 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:52.280 his business by Mohammed bin Salam, you know, the murderer 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:59.040 responsible for killing Washington Post journalist Jamal Kashogi. This would 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.440 also be the man Joe Biden fist bumped when he 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:07.000 went to Saudi Arabia in order to you know, open 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:11.240 up oil reserves so that American gas prices could go down, 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.840 because you know, who cares about murderers anyway, when we're 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:21.840 talking about capitalism and gas. Kushner received two billion dollars, 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:27.760 not two million, not even two hundred million, two billion 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:35.520 dollars from Mohammed bin Salam, a known murderer. We know 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:43.400 that Donald Trump loves to keep the company of dictators, fascists, authoritarians, 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:49.760 and that while he was president of the United States, 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:55.040 Donald Trump was given access to things that that criminal 0:02:55.160 --> 0:03:00.240 motherfucker should have never had access to. We also know 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.720 that they're one of the reasons, many reasons why Donald 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:06.720 Trump didn't release his tax returns and still fighting in 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.760 the courts to never release his tax returns. Is one, 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.280 donald Trump is not as rich as he claims to be. Two, 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:18.959 he doesn't pay taxes. Three He's in a lot of 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:23.600 fucking debt and not like we need to cancel student 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:28.400 loan type of debt, but talking about like into the 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:32.200 hundreds of millions of dollars worth of debt. We know 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:37.280 that the company that Donald Trump keeps is not the greatest. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.560 So what Donald Trump saw in those documents that he 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.760 couldn't bother have been being briefed on when he was 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.400 president of the United States is only one thing dollar 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:55.600 signs Donald Trump is a treasonous traitor to the United States. 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.560 Contrary to what Republicans are trying to sell the American 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:06.640 people about, Oh, this was no big deal, is the 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:11.840 fact that it is probably one of the biggest deals 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.400 that we've ever seen. So much so that the normal 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.520 quiet National Archives, which, by the way, if you've never 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.320 gone to Washington, DC and visited the National Archives, I 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.640 highly recommend it. If you were a nerd like myself, 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.120 which I believe that most of you are, the National 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.559 Archives as well as the Library of Congress, well pieces 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.880 that are resistance you should go and visit. But this 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.400 place that you oftentimes never hear about unless you're in 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:42.120 history class or on a tour in Washington, DC had 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.280 to send a sternly worded letter to Donald Trump's one 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.640 of his goon lawyers saying that no, we're not going 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.320 to hold off on sending these boxes which we had 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:57.440 requested over a year ago to the FBI. We're not 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.359 going to be in the way and cause our selves 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:05.080 to be an obstacle to an open and ongoing investigation. Now, 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.520 my question is, like I said at the top, is 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:09.520 when the fuck are we going to start to see 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:14.240 Donald Trump's list of indictments come down? Because here's what 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:18.240 we know to be true. The FBI has now had 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.040 those documents in their possession for the last two weeks. 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.839 We know that there are thousands and thousands of pages 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:30.919 fifteen boxes, you know, three hundred pages of highly classified documents, 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.000 right that were just like being held in Marlago and 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.160 a storage shed so that whenever Donald Trump had time 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.680 in between buffets and tea time that he could then what, 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.120 go down there and maybe scan a couple of documents, 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:50.760 maybe send off some Right, this man is a criminal, 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.160 and we know that Donald Trump doesn't hold on to 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:59.000 anything that he doesn't find monetary value in. That includes people. 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:08.080 So the reality here is I'm assuming that outside of 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:12.200 whiteness and privilege and maleness and wealth and all of 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.720 these things, that all the reasons why the bar for 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.120 Donald Trump is so fucking high in order to be 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.320 able to prove what we all know to be true, 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.440 and for people who have lived in New York City 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.560 who have always known to be true, is that the 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:29.400 man is a goddamn criminal. But the question I think 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:33.000 that is really taking time is trying to figure out 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:39.599 whether or not America is actually safe, because you see, 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:45.320 Donald Trump had nuclear codes, Donald Trump knows where certain 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:49.280 intelligence agents are. All of this kind of information you 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.520 receive in regular briefings, and I'm certain or in those 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:57.320 boxes that were in Mara Lago. The National Archives knew 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:00.440 that Donald Trump had those when he left the White 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:04.280 House back in January twenty twenty one. They only received 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.720 some of them back in January twenty twenty two, an 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:15.360 entire fucking year later. So basically, what I believe to 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:19.440 be true is that the Department of Justice is trying 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:26.000 to suff out exactly how damaged our national security is 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.560 because of Donald Trump, so that they're going to be 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.520 able to hold this motherfucker accountable. Now, the question keeps 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.000 being asked, well, what about political violence, what about the 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.760 MAGA world? And how they will flip out and tear 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.960 this comfetry apart? Folks, They're already doing that. Republicans are 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.080 already doing that. So this whole like, oh, it's in 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.880 the best interests of the country to do what Let 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:53.280 a criminal keep criming, right, not set the precedent that 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.920 no one, including the President of the United States, is 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.560 above the law, so that when a Ron de Santist 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:03.200 takes into office potentially in twenty twenty five, that this 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.440 motherfucker doesn't just use Donald Trump as the blueprint to 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:11.559 create his own evil plan. If we do not hold 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:15.400 this man to account, then my god, what I've been 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:19.320 saying for the last six goddamn years, what comes next 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:24.720 is going to be worse than our worse nightmare. So 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:30.880 TikTok Merrick Garland tick, motherfucking talk time is of the essence. 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.160 Coming up next, dear friends, we chat with our in 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.360 house doctor, our friend, doctor Jonathan Metzel, and we're going 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:42.440 to be talking about doctor Fauci's announcement that he will 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:48.400 be leaving his post after several decades and several presidents 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.720 that he has been working under. 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Folks, 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.280 whenever I have the opportunity to speak with our good, 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.760 good friend, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Methsol, I'm 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:30.559 always thrilled, and so today, Jonathan, let's start off with 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.560 the fact that, well before we jump into our mid 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:39.520 terms conversation, doctor Fauci is going to be leaving the 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:43.560 Biden administration, leaving his public position that he has had 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:50.120 under I believe seven presidents. Folks were showing him throughout 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:54.000 the years on cable news, and my god, what a 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.679 career doctor Fauci has had. I just wanted to give 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:01.320 you an opportunity to provide thoughts on him. He says 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:05.000 he's not retiring, but he is leaving his position. To 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.320 give thoughts on the last couple of years under Fauci. 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:12.120 I mean, what a career, right, you know, imagine being 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.560 a doctor who basically joins the US version of the 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.600 National Health Service in your late twenties, which is what 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.679 he did, and then is at the front of, like 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:30.280 I mean, like some of the most contentious, heated, charged 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:34.440 and also important and life saving initiatives that a public 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:38.120 health service can face. I think that doctor Fauci, as 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:43.680 many people know, was basically in charge of the government's 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:48.720 response to the HIV epidemic, and initially with somebody who 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:52.200 towed the party line. And I think, you know, I 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:57.040 think the Fauci basically changing his mind about the ways 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.439 that drugs should be made available to people was one 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:04.280 of the more remarkable about faces in American medical history. 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.440 The idea that basically he said, hey, look, I'm representing 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:13.200 an establishment. We have a process that touts testing the 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.400 safety of medications by testing them for years, but people 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.360 are dying right now. And the fact that he, after 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:24.320 I think a very initially horrible period, made some kind 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:29.160 of alliance with Act UP protesters and change the way 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:34.000 that drugs are distributed just really honestly saved a lot 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.560 of lives, and it took a kind of flexibility of 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.240 purpose that I think is incredibly rare in public service 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.520 right now. The fact that he basically didn't about and 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.120 changed the ways drugs are tested and distributed in this 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:51.200 country in response to that. Not that it was easy, 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:52.920 not that he was always right, but the fact that 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.280 he admitted he was wrong, I think really is a 0:13:56.320 --> 0:14:00.000 pretty remarkable chapter in the history of health and illness 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:03.600 and America. I don't know how many people would want 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:08.120 to be charge in charge of the COVID response under Trump. 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.400 I can't imagine that that was a very fun job 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:15.000 for somebody who's in their eighties and nearing retirement. But 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:19.440 there as well, I think, you know, I mean, obviously 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.240 there's there's going to be a lot of opinions. We're 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:26.280 still in the middle of the pandemic, but imagine the 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:30.000 hand you're dealt, Like, here's a new pathogen, that humanity 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.600 has no immunity against, and we don't know quite yet 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.320 what the treatments are, and we don't know quite how 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:37.520 lethal this thing is. And we have a president who's 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.680 not interested in science at all, and so kind of 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.560 overseeing that I think as a kind of bookend to 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:48.240 a career is pretty remarkable. Now, if Republicans take over Congress, 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.240 I shudder to think about what they're going to do 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.680 to that legacy. But I would say that we should 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:58.680 be lucky enough to have public servants among us who 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.840 are that dedicated for and that competent for such a 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.920 long time. You know, I just want to ask you, 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:11.480 doctor Fauci, to me, you know, regardless of the ups 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:15.200 and downs that we've had over almost three years living 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:21.880 with multiple variations of COVID, I think exemplify to your 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.280 point what it means to be a public servant, what 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:28.560 it means to actually want to serve the public, particularly 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.720 during a time of crisis. And I think that you know, 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:35.720 a majority of Americans, a majority, a strong majority of 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:39.240 Americans are very grateful to doctor Fauci and the work 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.880 that he did, exemplified by the magazine covers that he 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:47.200 was on the conversations that he had in so many days. 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.440 I mean, I had the good the pleasure of interviewing 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.880 him on woke F And I just want to ask you, like, 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:58.560 what do you think, you know, if America survives another 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.640 five ten years, what do you think that his legacy 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.440 will be well? I think I think hopefully. It's the 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:10.800 things we're talking about now again. I mean, the issue 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.320 right is that there's always a danger of somebody hanging 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:19.360 on too long. As great as RBG was, she did 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.760 not do us any favors by hanging on too long 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.800 after a pancreatic cancer diagnosis that had a five year 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:30.360 survival with total admiration and respect for her accomplishments and 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:34.480 her memory. You know, we're facing a conversation right now 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:39.000 about Biden and so leaving on top I think is 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:44.000 really important for people who are in positions of power 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:47.120 and authority. And it feels to me like vout she 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.000 is kind of going out on top. I mean, the 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:54.640 pandemic is probably right now. I don't hold this against me, 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:56.920 but it feels right now like it's more manageable than 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.840 it's been in three years. And and I think there's 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.560 a lot to be said and I can see, you know, 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:05.760 it doesn't feel like this is somebody who's held on 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:09.400 too long. Now again, I think the main issue is 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.920 and I thought everybody, including President Obama, had a lovely 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:17.320 tweet about the honor of serving with doctor Fausci. But again, 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:22.480 if there are Republican hearings and he's dragged in front 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:26.040 of a sub committee and talk about you know, I mean, 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:27.959 if if I were him, I just wouldn't show up, 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.199 right like at this point, like I I'm you know, 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:35.040 I just I just wouldn't come. We know what Republicans 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:36.919 would be doing. This would not be a thumb in 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:38.719 the face to government. It's just like I'm not going 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.919 to participate in your circus. So you know, I like, 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.480 in my humble opinion, if I were him, I'd be like, no, 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.479 I'm I pieced out. So you all can manage this 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:51.160 unless you enforce a subpoena. I mean, I think what 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.880 we're going to see is the power of the China 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.080 virus narrative is if the Republicans take over the House, 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.959 it's going to become one of the dominant stories is mandates. 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.000 Um people are already I mean, when you see people 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.560 turning against Trump, toward De Santists right now, it's because 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.119 of public health. I don't think people fully realize that. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.200 Um But I think that when when you see people saying, well, 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.960 Trump was the person who did the did the mask 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.240 mandate or even force people to stay home for a 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:24.240 couple of months or schools or things like that, people 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.600 like even like Joe Rogan on down people who are 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:31.680 turning on Trump toward de Santists or because Desantists paid 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:35.080 no attention to public health whatsoever, to the detriment of 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.680 the lives of the people in his state. Data is 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.520 pretty clear about that. UM. So, I think public health 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:45.040 is politicized, and I think, you know, he's not gonna 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.720 you know, he's He's part part of that in a way, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.000 and that's just kind of the what we're in right now. 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:54.159 So I don't know, I know it. I mean, like 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.439 I've been so critical of people who don't show up 0:18:56.440 --> 0:19:00.320 to talk to the January sixth Commission, But but I 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:04.240 do think that again, this is why, thinking now about 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:09.320 the midterms, it's so important that people vote right now 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:13.840 because I guess the question is, do you want two 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:18.199 years plus of hearings about Hunter Biden and about the 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.760 China virus and about all this other stuff, or do 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:26.760 you want you know, hearings about climate change and student 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:31.520 debt and inflation and gas prices and stuff like that. 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:33.720 So I just think we have a pretty real choice 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.280 coming up that has to do the links to this 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.480 topic in some pretty important ways. You know. One of 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.720 the things that I have been asked about, and I'm 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.439 certain that you've been asked about recently on television and 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.879 in the interviews that you do, is, you know, is 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.760 around what do you think are driving people to the polls? 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:56.479 And I personally believe that it is like we're not 0:19:56.600 --> 0:20:00.919 living in single issued times, right, And you know, as 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:04.040 Audrey Lord that said, we don't live single issue lives, right, 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:08.000 And I think that one of the machinations of politics 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:12.000 that I hate is that there is no complexity, there 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.200 is no layering. It's like we're going to talk about 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:16.760 climate change only when things are on fire or underwater. 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:20.000 We're going to talk about abortion only when it's taken away, right, 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.359 Like we're not linking these issues together. And so when 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.359 you talk about public health, right as as as a 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.760 public health advocate, as somebody who is a doctor and 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:32.560 is in this work, what do you think if you 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:37.160 were to create, you know, and contextualize messaging that would 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:40.840 have people understand really what public health is and how 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.160 it is important to their day to day lives. As 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.720 we are making, you know, this march to midterms, what 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.760 would that be? Jonathan Well, I can think of three 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:51.960 things that are important to know about public health before 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.440 I get into political messaging. But one, of course, is 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:57.840 that public health does not value free. Public health has 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:03.320 in the past had policies and outcomes that were incredibly 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:09.760 disparate by race and socioeconomic class. Public health has instilled 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:18.760 treatments from sterilization to you know, locking up quote unquote 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:22.120 imbeciles and things like that in asylums. So public health 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:25.919 has always been in any ways embedded in American culture. 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.400 And so I always think that critiques of public health 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.160 are very important because public health is not value free, 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:33.840 and it's important to take a critical lens of that. 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:36.200 As again I was saying doctor Fauci did during HIV 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:39.000 and said, wait, man, we're getting this totally wrong. And 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.280 so it's not like, oh, here's some marble monolith called 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:46.119 public health that is unassailable and in ways the way 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.400 like medicine has done for example. So one is public 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.240 health is of the culture, and I think critiques of 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:55.480 public health are always going to be important to its function. 0:21:56.200 --> 0:22:00.680 The second is that public health has often handed problems 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:04.240 that nobody knows the answer too. Yet. You know, I 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.000 have a lot of friends in the CDC, and the 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:08.840 who and the problems they get are like, hey, man, 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.240 there's a bacterial born food illness, but we have no 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.320 idea where it's coming from. And then they have to 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:16.840 go test every kind of food and track down what 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:18.720 people have eaten and where they shop and stuff like that. 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:22.840 So they're hearing your problems that are not teleological, right, 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:26.600 They're they're not the end is not known from the beginning, 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:28.960 and so in a way it's very easy to critique 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.040 public health because then you're like, of course, of course 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:33.440 you made people wear masks, of course you held people 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:37.000 out of school, But at the time those answers are 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:39.199 not very clear, and so the question is kind of, 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:42.320 how can we save the most people until we until 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:44.760 we get an answer for this, And I think that's 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:47.320 another important thing. And then the third, of course, is 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:50.439 it's not medicine. It's not giving you a treatment. So 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:54.840 the main tool that public health has is prevention, right, 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:58.000 and so you have to ask yourself, are the risks 0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:01.399 of getting the vaccine worse than the risks of getting 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:06.880 the monkeypox or covid or polio or whatever. And so 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:10.040 prevention is so important because it's it's so much it's 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:13.040 so speculative, right, It's so much like, Okay, I think 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:16.880 it's worse to get this thing injected. I just got 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:21.000 my COVID booster. I feel fine, But I'm going to 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:23.160 be teaching this semester, and I'm going to be teaching 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:24.960 in front of a lot of students. And so I 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:26.600 was thinking about it on the way over that you're 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:30.119 really you're really kind of thinking in advance in a 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:33.119 way it takes. And so thinking in advance about it 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:36.360 and imagined threat is different from like, here's some penicillin 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.200 for your illness right now, right, And so there's a 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:41.600 level of kind of speculation in the way public health 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:44.920 functions that requires a leap of faith. And I think, again, 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:47.160 because it's so political, not everyone has that, and that's 0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:50.919 very contested terrain. So those are my three off the 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:52.920 top of my head points about public health, but I 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:55.080 think they're important for people to keep in mind, because 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:58.040 it's not an exact science, and so what you want 0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:01.880 is you want to trust really in the system. And 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:07.320 so if you were crafting the messaging then around public health, 0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:11.240 for instance, being on the ballot from midterms, what would 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:14.560 you be saying, Well, it used to be pretty easy, right, 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.880 It was a progress narrative, right, right, So other countries 0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:20.360 were dying of polio. We had two scientists who invented 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:25.520 polio vaccines. We had smallpox, we had antibiotics, all these things. 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:29.720 So America is a national leader. It's a pride, you know. 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:32.560 So that that that used to be very very easy 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:36.400 in a way, and I think right now, of course, 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:41.200 it's much more complicated. Um, I do think there's still 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:43.640 a lot of I think there's a lot of fear 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:46.520 about the next pandemic or the next next infection, or 0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:50.399 the next thing like that. So I would I guess 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:53.119 my what would work on me, but I don't know 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:55.000 if it work on everybody else. Is like, we don't 0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:58.080 want to be caught unprepared for the next thing that 0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:01.959 comes down the pike, and and so like kind of 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:05.720 fear of the unknown and being prepared for it would 0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:09.280 be my personal strategy, But I'm not a political messaging person, 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.720 but I would say that I just know so many 0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:13.959 people who are like, it's not just about the next variant, 0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:17.080 it's like the next pandemic or something. Let's not get 0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:19.119 caught behind the eight ball again. I mean, the CDC 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:22.800 has already admitted that its response was was not right, 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:27.359 and so I think I think that you know, let's 0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:30.600 let's invest in our future would be my message. But 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:33.679 I don't know you can ask like m Rachel or 0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:37.320 somebody who who can tweak that into like a thing, 0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:40.480 you know, one of the one. As you're as you're talking, 0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:46.080 I'm I'm thinking about, you know, how we've had COVID, 0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:52.520 how now monkey pops, and the correlation between our climate 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:57.000 change crisis that we're living in and public health crises. 0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:02.159