1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay Up Daily with 2 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Home Bunker, So, folks. 3 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: Three hundred documents classified, Special Program classified. A sternly worded 4 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: letter from the National Archives Acting Archives to Donald Trump's 5 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: attorney about the fifteen boxes that were retrieved from Mara 6 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: Lago after the FBI went in to search the premises 7 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: for property that belongs to the United States. Come to 8 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: find out, dear friends, that Donald Trump, the man who 9 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: doesn't fucking read and couldn't sit down for his own 10 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: intelligence briefings when he was the godforsaken president of these 11 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: United States, seems to have been going through these three 12 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: hundred documents all by his little lonesome. And the question 13 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:20,639 Speaker 1: that I have is, what the fuck do you think 14 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: everyone everyone is waiting for in order to indict Donald Trump. 15 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: Let's piece together a couple of things, shall we. When 16 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: Jared Kushner left the White House after the disgrace twice 17 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: impeached President was voted out of office in twenty twenty, 18 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: he received a very large, very large cash infusion to 19 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: his business by Mohammed bin Salam, you know, the murderer 20 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: responsible for killing Washington Post journalist Jamal Kashogi. This would 21 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: also be the man Joe Biden fist bumped when he 22 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: went to Saudi Arabia in order to you know, open 23 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: up oil reserves so that American gas prices could go down, 24 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: because you know, who cares about murderers anyway, when we're 25 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: talking about capitalism and gas. Kushner received two billion dollars, 26 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: not two million, not even two hundred million, two billion 27 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: dollars from Mohammed bin Salam, a known murderer. We know 28 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump loves to keep the company of dictators, fascists, authoritarians, 29 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: and that while he was president of the United States, 30 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump was given access to things that that criminal 31 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: motherfucker should have never had access to. We also know 32 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: that they're one of the reasons, many reasons why Donald 33 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: Trump didn't release his tax returns and still fighting in 34 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: the courts to never release his tax returns. Is one, 35 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: donald Trump is not as rich as he claims to be. Two, 36 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: he doesn't pay taxes. Three He's in a lot of 37 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: fucking debt and not like we need to cancel student 38 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: loan type of debt, but talking about like into the 39 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars worth of debt. We know 40 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: that the company that Donald Trump keeps is not the greatest. 41 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: So what Donald Trump saw in those documents that he 42 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: couldn't bother have been being briefed on when he was 43 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: president of the United States is only one thing dollar 44 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: signs Donald Trump is a treasonous traitor to the United States. 45 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: Contrary to what Republicans are trying to sell the American 46 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: people about, Oh, this was no big deal, is the 47 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: fact that it is probably one of the biggest deals 48 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: that we've ever seen. So much so that the normal 49 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: quiet National Archives, which, by the way, if you've never 50 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: gone to Washington, DC and visited the National Archives, I 51 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: highly recommend it. If you were a nerd like myself, 52 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: which I believe that most of you are, the National 53 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,559 Speaker 1: Archives as well as the Library of Congress, well pieces 54 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: that are resistance you should go and visit. But this 55 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: place that you oftentimes never hear about unless you're in 56 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: history class or on a tour in Washington, DC had 57 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: to send a sternly worded letter to Donald Trump's one 58 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: of his goon lawyers saying that no, we're not going 59 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: to hold off on sending these boxes which we had 60 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: requested over a year ago to the FBI. We're not 61 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: going to be in the way and cause our selves 62 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: to be an obstacle to an open and ongoing investigation. Now, 63 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: my question is, like I said at the top, is 64 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: when the fuck are we going to start to see 65 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's list of indictments come down? Because here's what 66 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: we know to be true. The FBI has now had 67 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: those documents in their possession for the last two weeks. 68 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: We know that there are thousands and thousands of pages 69 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: fifteen boxes, you know, three hundred pages of highly classified documents, 70 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: right that were just like being held in Marlago and 71 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: a storage shed so that whenever Donald Trump had time 72 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: in between buffets and tea time that he could then what, 73 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: go down there and maybe scan a couple of documents, 74 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: maybe send off some Right, this man is a criminal, 75 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: and we know that Donald Trump doesn't hold on to 76 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: anything that he doesn't find monetary value in. That includes people. 77 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: So the reality here is I'm assuming that outside of 78 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: whiteness and privilege and maleness and wealth and all of 79 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: these things, that all the reasons why the bar for 80 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is so fucking high in order to be 81 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: able to prove what we all know to be true, 82 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: and for people who have lived in New York City 83 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: who have always known to be true, is that the 84 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: man is a goddamn criminal. But the question I think 85 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: that is really taking time is trying to figure out 86 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: whether or not America is actually safe, because you see, 87 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump had nuclear codes, Donald Trump knows where certain 88 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: intelligence agents are. All of this kind of information you 89 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: receive in regular briefings, and I'm certain or in those 90 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: boxes that were in Mara Lago. The National Archives knew 91 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump had those when he left the White 92 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: House back in January twenty twenty one. They only received 93 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: some of them back in January twenty twenty two, an 94 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: entire fucking year later. So basically, what I believe to 95 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: be true is that the Department of Justice is trying 96 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: to suff out exactly how damaged our national security is 97 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: because of Donald Trump, so that they're going to be 98 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: able to hold this motherfucker accountable. Now, the question keeps 99 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: being asked, well, what about political violence, what about the 100 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: MAGA world? And how they will flip out and tear 101 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: this comfetry apart? Folks, They're already doing that. Republicans are 102 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: already doing that. So this whole like, oh, it's in 103 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: the best interests of the country to do what Let 104 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: a criminal keep criming, right, not set the precedent that 105 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: no one, including the President of the United States, is 106 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: above the law, so that when a Ron de Santist 107 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: takes into office potentially in twenty twenty five, that this 108 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: motherfucker doesn't just use Donald Trump as the blueprint to 109 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,559 Speaker 1: create his own evil plan. If we do not hold 110 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: this man to account, then my god, what I've been 111 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: saying for the last six goddamn years, what comes next 112 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: is going to be worse than our worse nightmare. So 113 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: TikTok Merrick Garland tick, motherfucking talk time is of the essence. 114 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: Coming up next, dear friends, we chat with our in 115 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: house doctor, our friend, doctor Jonathan Metzel, and we're going 116 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: to be talking about doctor Fauci's announcement that he will 117 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: be leaving his post after several decades and several presidents 118 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: that he has been working under. 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If you like what you here, be 152 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. Folks, 153 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: whenever I have the opportunity to speak with our good, 154 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: good friend, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Methsol, I'm 155 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: always thrilled, and so today, Jonathan, let's start off with 156 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: the fact that, well before we jump into our mid 157 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: terms conversation, doctor Fauci is going to be leaving the 158 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: Biden administration, leaving his public position that he has had 159 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: under I believe seven presidents. Folks were showing him throughout 160 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: the years on cable news, and my god, what a 161 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: career doctor Fauci has had. I just wanted to give 162 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: you an opportunity to provide thoughts on him. He says 163 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: he's not retiring, but he is leaving his position. To 164 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: give thoughts on the last couple of years under Fauci. 165 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: I mean, what a career, right, you know, imagine being 166 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: a doctor who basically joins the US version of the 167 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: National Health Service in your late twenties, which is what 168 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: he did, and then is at the front of, like 169 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: I mean, like some of the most contentious, heated, charged 170 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: and also important and life saving initiatives that a public 171 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: health service can face. I think that doctor Fauci, as 172 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: many people know, was basically in charge of the government's 173 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: response to the HIV epidemic, and initially with somebody who 174 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: towed the party line. And I think, you know, I 175 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: think the Fauci basically changing his mind about the ways 176 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: that drugs should be made available to people was one 177 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: of the more remarkable about faces in American medical history. 178 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: The idea that basically he said, hey, look, I'm representing 179 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: an establishment. We have a process that touts testing the 180 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: safety of medications by testing them for years, but people 181 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: are dying right now. And the fact that he, after 182 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: I think a very initially horrible period, made some kind 183 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: of alliance with Act UP protesters and change the way 184 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: that drugs are distributed just really honestly saved a lot 185 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: of lives, and it took a kind of flexibility of 186 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: purpose that I think is incredibly rare in public service 187 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: right now. The fact that he basically didn't about and 188 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: changed the ways drugs are tested and distributed in this 189 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: country in response to that. Not that it was easy, 190 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: not that he was always right, but the fact that 191 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: he admitted he was wrong, I think really is a 192 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: pretty remarkable chapter in the history of health and illness 193 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: and America. I don't know how many people would want 194 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: to be charge in charge of the COVID response under Trump. 195 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that that was a very fun job 196 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: for somebody who's in their eighties and nearing retirement. But 197 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: there as well, I think, you know, I mean, obviously 198 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: there's there's going to be a lot of opinions. We're 199 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: still in the middle of the pandemic, but imagine the 200 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: hand you're dealt, Like, here's a new pathogen, that humanity 201 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: has no immunity against, and we don't know quite yet 202 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: what the treatments are, and we don't know quite how 203 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: lethal this thing is. And we have a president who's 204 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: not interested in science at all, and so kind of 205 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: overseeing that I think as a kind of bookend to 206 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: a career is pretty remarkable. Now, if Republicans take over Congress, 207 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: I shudder to think about what they're going to do 208 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: to that legacy. But I would say that we should 209 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: be lucky enough to have public servants among us who 210 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: are that dedicated for and that competent for such a 211 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: long time. You know, I just want to ask you, 212 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: doctor Fauci, to me, you know, regardless of the ups 213 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: and downs that we've had over almost three years living 214 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: with multiple variations of COVID, I think exemplify to your 215 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: point what it means to be a public servant, what 216 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: it means to actually want to serve the public, particularly 217 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: during a time of crisis. And I think that you know, 218 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: a majority of Americans, a majority, a strong majority of 219 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: Americans are very grateful to doctor Fauci and the work 220 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: that he did, exemplified by the magazine covers that he 221 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: was on the conversations that he had in so many days. 222 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I had the good the pleasure of interviewing 223 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: him on woke F And I just want to ask you, like, 224 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: what do you think, you know, if America survives another 225 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: five ten years, what do you think that his legacy 226 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: will be well? I think I think hopefully. It's the 227 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: things we're talking about now again. I mean, the issue 228 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: right is that there's always a danger of somebody hanging 229 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: on too long. As great as RBG was, she did 230 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: not do us any favors by hanging on too long 231 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: after a pancreatic cancer diagnosis that had a five year 232 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: survival with total admiration and respect for her accomplishments and 233 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: her memory. You know, we're facing a conversation right now 234 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: about Biden and so leaving on top I think is 235 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: really important for people who are in positions of power 236 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: and authority. And it feels to me like vout she 237 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: is kind of going out on top. I mean, the 238 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: pandemic is probably right now. I don't hold this against me, 239 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: but it feels right now like it's more manageable than 240 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: it's been in three years. And and I think there's 241 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: a lot to be said and I can see, you know, 242 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like this is somebody who's held on 243 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: too long. Now again, I think the main issue is 244 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: and I thought everybody, including President Obama, had a lovely 245 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: tweet about the honor of serving with doctor Fausci. But again, 246 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: if there are Republican hearings and he's dragged in front 247 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: of a sub committee and talk about you know, I mean, 248 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 1: if if I were him, I just wouldn't show up, 249 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: right like at this point, like I I'm you know, 250 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: I just I just wouldn't come. We know what Republicans 251 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: would be doing. This would not be a thumb in 252 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 1: the face to government. It's just like I'm not going 253 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: to participate in your circus. So you know, I like, 254 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: in my humble opinion, if I were him, I'd be like, no, 255 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 1: I'm I pieced out. So you all can manage this 256 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: unless you enforce a subpoena. I mean, I think what 257 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: we're going to see is the power of the China 258 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: virus narrative is if the Republicans take over the House, 259 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 1: it's going to become one of the dominant stories is mandates. 260 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: Um people are already I mean, when you see people 261 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: turning against Trump, toward De Santists right now, it's because 262 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: of public health. I don't think people fully realize that. 263 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: Um But I think that when when you see people saying, well, 264 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: Trump was the person who did the did the mask 265 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: mandate or even force people to stay home for a 266 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: couple of months or schools or things like that, people 267 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: like even like Joe Rogan on down people who are 268 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: turning on Trump toward de Santists or because Desantists paid 269 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: no attention to public health whatsoever, to the detriment of 270 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: the lives of the people in his state. Data is 271 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: pretty clear about that. UM. So, I think public health 272 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: is politicized, and I think, you know, he's not gonna 273 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, he's He's part part of that in a way, 274 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: and that's just kind of the what we're in right now. 275 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: So I don't know, I know it. I mean, like 276 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: I've been so critical of people who don't show up 277 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: to talk to the January sixth Commission, But but I 278 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: do think that again, this is why, thinking now about 279 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: the midterms, it's so important that people vote right now 280 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: because I guess the question is, do you want two 281 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: years plus of hearings about Hunter Biden and about the 282 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: China virus and about all this other stuff, or do 283 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: you want you know, hearings about climate change and student 284 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: debt and inflation and gas prices and stuff like that. 285 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: So I just think we have a pretty real choice 286 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: coming up that has to do the links to this 287 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: topic in some pretty important ways. You know. One of 288 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: the things that I have been asked about, and I'm 289 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: certain that you've been asked about recently on television and 290 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: in the interviews that you do, is, you know, is 291 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: around what do you think are driving people to the polls? 292 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 1: And I personally believe that it is like we're not 293 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: living in single issued times, right, And you know, as 294 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: Audrey Lord that said, we don't live single issue lives, right, 295 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: And I think that one of the machinations of politics 296 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: that I hate is that there is no complexity, there 297 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: is no layering. It's like we're going to talk about 298 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: climate change only when things are on fire or underwater. 299 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about abortion only when it's taken away, right, 300 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: Like we're not linking these issues together. And so when 301 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: you talk about public health, right as as as a 302 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: public health advocate, as somebody who is a doctor and 303 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: is in this work, what do you think if you 304 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: were to create, you know, and contextualize messaging that would 305 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: have people understand really what public health is and how 306 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: it is important to their day to day lives. As 307 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: we are making, you know, this march to midterms, what 308 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: would that be? Jonathan Well, I can think of three 309 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: things that are important to know about public health before 310 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: I get into political messaging. But one, of course, is 311 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: that public health does not value free. Public health has 312 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: in the past had policies and outcomes that were incredibly 313 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: disparate by race and socioeconomic class. Public health has instilled 314 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: treatments from sterilization to you know, locking up quote unquote 315 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: imbeciles and things like that in asylums. So public health 316 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: has always been in any ways embedded in American culture. 317 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: And so I always think that critiques of public health 318 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: are very important because public health is not value free, 319 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: and it's important to take a critical lens of that. 320 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: As again I was saying doctor Fauci did during HIV 321 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: and said, wait, man, we're getting this totally wrong. And 322 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: so it's not like, oh, here's some marble monolith called 323 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: public health that is unassailable and in ways the way 324 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: like medicine has done for example. So one is public 325 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: health is of the culture, and I think critiques of 326 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: public health are always going to be important to its function. 327 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: The second is that public health has often handed problems 328 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: that nobody knows the answer too. Yet. You know, I 329 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: have a lot of friends in the CDC, and the 330 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: who and the problems they get are like, hey, man, 331 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: there's a bacterial born food illness, but we have no 332 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: idea where it's coming from. And then they have to 333 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: go test every kind of food and track down what 334 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: people have eaten and where they shop and stuff like that. 335 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: So they're hearing your problems that are not teleological, right, 336 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: They're they're not the end is not known from the beginning, 337 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: and so in a way it's very easy to critique 338 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: public health because then you're like, of course, of course 339 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: you made people wear masks, of course you held people 340 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: out of school, But at the time those answers are 341 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: not very clear, and so the question is kind of, 342 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: how can we save the most people until we until 343 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: we get an answer for this, And I think that's 344 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: another important thing. And then the third, of course, is 345 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: it's not medicine. It's not giving you a treatment. So 346 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: the main tool that public health has is prevention, right, 347 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: and so you have to ask yourself, are the risks 348 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: of getting the vaccine worse than the risks of getting 349 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: the monkeypox or covid or polio or whatever. And so 350 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: prevention is so important because it's it's so much it's 351 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: so speculative, right, It's so much like, Okay, I think 352 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: it's worse to get this thing injected. I just got 353 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: my COVID booster. I feel fine, But I'm going to 354 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: be teaching this semester, and I'm going to be teaching 355 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: in front of a lot of students. And so I 356 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: was thinking about it on the way over that you're 357 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: really you're really kind of thinking in advance in a 358 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: way it takes. And so thinking in advance about it 359 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 1: and imagined threat is different from like, here's some penicillin 360 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: for your illness right now, right, And so there's a 361 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: level of kind of speculation in the way public health 362 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: functions that requires a leap of faith. And I think, again, 363 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: because it's so political, not everyone has that, and that's 364 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: very contested terrain. So those are my three off the 365 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: top of my head points about public health, but I 366 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: think they're important for people to keep in mind, because 367 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: it's not an exact science, and so what you want 368 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: is you want to trust really in the system. And 369 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: so if you were crafting the messaging then around public health, 370 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: for instance, being on the ballot from midterms, what would 371 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: you be saying, Well, it used to be pretty easy, right, 372 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: It was a progress narrative, right, right, So other countries 373 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: were dying of polio. We had two scientists who invented 374 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: polio vaccines. We had smallpox, we had antibiotics, all these things. 375 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: So America is a national leader. It's a pride, you know. 376 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: So that that that used to be very very easy 377 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: in a way, and I think right now, of course, 378 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: it's much more complicated. Um, I do think there's still 379 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: a lot of I think there's a lot of fear 380 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: about the next pandemic or the next next infection, or 381 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: the next thing like that. So I would I guess 382 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: my what would work on me, but I don't know 383 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: if it work on everybody else. Is like, we don't 384 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: want to be caught unprepared for the next thing that 385 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,959 Speaker 1: comes down the pike, and and so like kind of 386 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: fear of the unknown and being prepared for it would 387 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: be my personal strategy, But I'm not a political messaging person, 388 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: but I would say that I just know so many 389 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 1: people who are like, it's not just about the next variant, 390 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: it's like the next pandemic or something. Let's not get 391 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: caught behind the eight ball again. I mean, the CDC 392 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: has already admitted that its response was was not right, 393 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: and so I think I think that you know, let's 394 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: let's invest in our future would be my message. But 395 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: I don't know you can ask like m Rachel or 396 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: somebody who who can tweak that into like a thing, 397 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: you know, one of the one. As you're as you're talking, 398 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking about, you know, how we've had COVID, 399 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: how now monkey pops, and the correlation between our climate 400 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: change crisis that we're living in and public health crises. 401 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: And I wonder, like, do we talk enough, Jonathan about 402 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: the correlation of these things. The fact that because you know, 403 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: we are going to have longer, hotter summers that you know, 404 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: stretch all the way through what was fall into winter, 405 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: that we have, you know, an increase in mosquitoes right 406 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: and West Nile and these things that we're not making 407 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: the connection between how the climate crisis and these you know, 408 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: waterborne airborne viruses are going to become prevalent. It's not 409 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: going to be every hundred years, right, It's going to 410 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: be every two and you know that. I mean, my 411 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: other tip for our listeners today is stock up on 412 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: coat COVID tests right now, because the government just stopped 413 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: funding them. And so it's it's not theoretical like we're 414 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: going to be not prepared if there's a wave in 415 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: the fall because we're not making COVID tests in this 416 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: country right now because we didn't get the funding from 417 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: Congress because the GOP blocked it. So if you're at 418 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: extra cash five five boxes of COVID tests right now, 419 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: you're you maybe you won't need them, but if you do, 420 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: you'll be happy to have them in the fall. So 421 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: it's not like theoretical like that kind of thing is 422 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: happening right now. We're not funding we're basically making the 423 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: same mistake we did before COVID. And I don't know, 424 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: part of me wants to say education, right, I mean, 425 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: the education system is being gutted, like scientific concepts vire 426 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: a level of speculative nuanced thinking, and if you're in 427 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: a class that's being taught by the wife of a 428 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: of a military veteran who has not had any teaching 429 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: experience whatsoever except for being able to say the pledge 430 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: of allegiance, which I guess is the criteria. Then you're 431 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: then we're just we're gonna have an uneducated populace, which 432 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: I think is a danger for imagining speculative threats like this, 433 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: and of course distilling information from disinformation, all those factors. 434 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: So I do think there are a lot of factors 435 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: at play right now that I don't know. Don't get 436 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 1: me started on education. No, but that that's a bit 437 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: because because for me though that and as you were talking, 438 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: I was just like, I felt my blood boiling. But 439 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, because the point is to have an ignorant populace, right, 440 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: because ignorant people are easy to control, Like we're you know, 441 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: case and point, every single one of Trump's followers. But 442 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: you know that, I think that what is troubling me 443 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: is that because we have politicized science and then with 444 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: COVID politicized health, that we're not even teaching it to 445 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: a way to your point that allows people to have nuance. 446 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: There is no nuance, right, Like the advent of social media, 447 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: there's no, you know, there's no nuance and what people 448 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: are saying, there's no context that we are that we 449 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: are understanding. I remember learning about what a hypothesis was 450 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: right and education hated guests and why is it an 451 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: educated guests versus just you know, something out of the blue. 452 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: And I feel like the attack on critical thinking, Jonathan, 453 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: I think is going to be our demise, right because 454 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: if you are just having the wife or the husband 455 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: of said military you know, a veteran or you know, 456 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: active military person come into a classroom to teach third graders, 457 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: which to me I remember as a critical time for 458 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: like science in school and and and they're reading along 459 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: with you and have no you know, no understanding, no schooling. 460 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: Like honestly, without us going on a tangent, what do 461 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: you think that that does to our future of being 462 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: quote unquote leaders in public health and science and innovative 463 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: innovation spaces. I mean, I don't need to speculator. It 464 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: was even much better, much better than what we have now. 465 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: But I studied education cuts to Kansas for my book 466 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: Dying of Whitenes, and I found that just two years 467 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: of education cuts and lowered teacher standards. I mean that's 468 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: what this military thing is. They don't want to pay 469 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: people for teaching. They don't want to pay the credentialing. 470 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: It's it's just lowering the standards. And you know, having 471 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: somebody who's trained as a teacher is going to be 472 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: a better teacher than someone who's looking at truth social 473 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: during their break to figure out what, you know, what 474 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: a question is. And so what I found in Kansas, 475 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: Kansas had the number six education system in the country 476 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: for public schools. The public schools were incredible and it 477 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: was It was useful in so many ways, including creating 478 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: an educated workforce for the state, which led to innovation, technology, productivity, finance, 479 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: everything like that. Like having a great public school system 480 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: in Kansas, which took seventy years to build, was great 481 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: for the state in all of these unintended and invisible ways. 482 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: And then Sam Brownbeck took over and they viscerated the 483 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: school system and within three years they were in the 484 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: mid forties for math and science and reading exams for 485 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: fourth and eighth graders, and the entire productivity of the 486 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: state really fell off the map because all of a 487 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: sudden they didn't have people. It wasn't just like people 488 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: out there spouting off critical race theory. They didn't have 489 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: people who understood how to develop new technologies for farm equipment, 490 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: they didn't have people who knew how to do banking, 491 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: all these kind of things. And so in a way, 492 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: what it created was a kind of two tier system 493 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: where poor people became trade workers they went to public school, 494 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: and which people bought themselves out and they were the 495 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: kind of noble elites who could go get the knowledge. 496 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: And so in a way, what it did is it 497 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: just reaffied all of these social divisions. And again it 498 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: was horrible, horrible for the state. Because the state had 499 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: an in house supply of educated workers, it didn't have 500 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: to import them, and it was great for the finance 501 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: of the state. And so when I see this in Florida, 502 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm sat on so many levels. Um, 503 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: but it really is it's really a catastrophe for the 504 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: future innovation and development and finance in that state. Oh, Jonathan, 505 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: we will have are on fire today. All make it all, 506 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: make it all the bad connections between everything wrong? Does 507 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: Rooster's gone to my head? I love it now, But see, 508 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: I I mean, I don't think and you know, I'll 509 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: end here today is that I really do not think 510 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: that people are paying enough attention to what Ron de 511 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,239 Speaker 1: Santis is doing in Florida and how he he is 512 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: corrupting the education system, how he's corrupting the voting system, 513 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: how he is really setting Florida on a path um 514 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: to the bottom, on a you know, on a on 515 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: a race to the bottom. And what that is going 516 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: to do as one of you know, the most populous 517 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: states you know in this country. What it's going to 518 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: do to us as a collective, um, I think is 519 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: going to be um, you know everything that you you 520 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: just said, times ten? All right, Jonathan, Well we will 521 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: have to leave it there with your boosted brilliance today. 522 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: As always, we appreciate you. I'll get another booster every 523 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: week so we can appreciate you. That is it for 524 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: me today, dear friends, on woke A app as always, 525 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,719 Speaker 1: power to the people and to all the people. Power, 526 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: Get woke and stay woke as fuck.