WEBVTT - Ep. 002 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.560 All right, everybody, this is the Meat Eater Podcast. We're 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:04.560 coming at you. I want to say we're coming at 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:06.840 you live from Ketchum, but we're not. 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:09.119 It's not live. We're coming at you. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:15.320 Dead from ketchum Idaho. And before I get into the 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.720 main thing, Ketchum Idaho the way I always knew ketcham Iidaho. 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:19.919 And this is my first time I've ever been in 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:22.880 ketchum Iidaho. I'm here for a bad country hunters and 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:26.720 anglers get together, and I always knew it, being like 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:30.840 we're Hemingway, Ernest Hemingway, the writer who wrote perhaps the 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:32.960 greatest fishing story of all time, The Old Man to 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:36.800 see you guys read that. Yes, he shot himself to 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:41.919 death here and right here in town, his graves here 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:43.600 in town. And I always knew that it was funny. 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.159 This book just came out called Hemingway's Guns, and it 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:50.559 was always rumored that Hemingway shot himself with with a 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.680 boss shotgun that he bought at Abercrombie and Fitch, which 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:55.960 is totally funny because now Abercrombie and Fish sells shirt 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:57.520 to say Abercrimey and Fitch on him. He used to 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.480 be able to buy guns there, so he's full. He 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.720 shot himself with the shotgun. And it turned out these 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:04.720 guys to this book reads and they called it Hemingway's Guns. 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:06.200 They did a bunch of research and they realized he 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.760 shot himself with a twelve gage shotgun that was a W. C. 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:10.800 Scott and Son. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.520 After he kills himself, apparently like someone in his family, 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.360 brings his shotgun down to a welder here in town 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.600 to have it destroyed. The guy smashes the stock up, 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:25.440 cuts it in little pieces and goes to berries in 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.200 the field. One of these writers goes to find and 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.399 whoever this welder is. His kid still runs a welding 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:33.520 shop as of a couple of years ago. The kid 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.160 pulls out a match box showing him some parts they 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:37.400 kept off this shotgun. 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:38.080 The guy looks at it. 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:41.600 He says, that's not a boss shotgun, you know, that's 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:46.400 a Scott and Son shotgun. And he apparently this shotgun 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:50.880 he like hundred ducks in Italy. Shot shooting competitions in 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.200 Cuban went to a Safari and East Africa. 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.320 Off the shotgun. Favorite shotgun got a weird deal right 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.600 here and catch them. And Ryan Callahan, who's sitting right here. 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.200 Told me that whenever he runs of alcohol and he 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.200 doesn't have any money, he just goes and takes the 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:06.480 offerings that are left having ways. 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:07.840 It's right across the street. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:10.880 When I asked him about this, he said, I can 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:12.520 walk over and get some alcohol for you right now. 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.480 Doesn't anyways graves and yesterday is sure. 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.399 Enough, we're standing there in town here. We're standing there 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:20.519 and he tell me it's like, oh yeah, people always 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:22.160 going to do his grave. We're standing there and two 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:23.960 dudes come up. They're like, excuse me, sir, would you 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:25.760 know what the cemetery is. I'm like, let me guess, 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.120 you know, And sure enough, sure they're heading over to 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:30.000 papa's Papa's tomb. 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:31.840 Well, yeah, I mean, what are your thoughts on that? 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:33.680 You just bad to steal? 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.480 It is because when they put someone told me, like, 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.320 normally you put plastic flowers at a grave. Someone told 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.359 me that they just periodically come and take them on 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:42.240 throwing the garbage. 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:46.639 Yeah, it's only it's only okay if you're buying alcohol 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:47.360 or guns. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:53.120 Yeah, I think so, not plastic flowers. Now, something formal 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:58.440 the media or podcast Rocky by First Light based right 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:01.359 here and catch am Ida Home. It's an original hunting 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.200 clothing brand. 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And like I said, 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.760 I have two Ken Kruth and Ryan Callahan from First 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.920 Light or here, Jannis but tell Us from the med 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.159 Eater team is here, Helen Chow is here, and Helen 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:47.720 Tell what you just did for the first time. 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:49.760 Today fly fishing. For the first time. 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.640 Helen Show went for fly fishing. It's as like today 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.920 we watched an otherwise honest person get corrupted because Helen 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:00.960 Show was up until today like a meat slayer. 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:02.480 Yeah, pretty much. 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.039 Helen fished in order like Helen went out to fish. 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.520 She used to go out to fish in order to 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.360 kill fish and eat them with a spinning round. You 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.440 like to sur you like to serve fish. You like 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:18.480 to fish, you want to you fish. She likes to party, 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.799 she likes to party on boats. She likes to fish. 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:22.800 She likes to fish on party boats. She used to 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:26.279 go out and was a fish killer. And today she 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.240 was corrupted right here and catch him and went on 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:33.040 an outing that was meant to be to catch fish, 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:38.680 to poke holes in fishes faces for fun and then 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:43.000 let them go. So Helen became a fly fishing catch 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.320 and release angler today. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.080 I don't know if you become one, if you go once, 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.680 were you dabbled in it, it was the introduction was. 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:53.960 She was lured to the dark side of catching release 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:55.360 angling today right here and catch him. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.400 I was with her. I caught a fish and let 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.000 him go. I caught he was. I caught him an accident, 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:01.520 but I called him let him go. 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:03.640 And that's one thing I want to talk about today 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:05.200 is the thing that's for plex meal whole life. And 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.359 I've said on both sides of defense is and I 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:11.360 packed this room with fly fishermen, is what like I 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.160 want to talk about why do something like what is 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.200 it with fly fishing? Because we all the fly fishing 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:20.080 is you know, technically right catch if I'm wrong. The 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.400 real only different like to define fly fishing would be 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.200 the fly the lure is delivered by the weight of the. 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.480 Line, right, yep. 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:32.320 And on spin fishing, the lure is delivered by its 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:36.160 own weight when you cast. Yeah, but there's massive amounts 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.480 of cultural bs. There's like massive, like massive amounts of 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.440 like cultural and ethical stuff has been laid over. 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.520 What's the difference between spin fishing and fly fishing. 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.760 Yes, and that's something we covered today. Like I look 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.000 at fly fishing as a means to catch fish. 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:51.480 This is Ryan Callahan talking. 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:57.560 That's it, right, And there is just like you said, 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:03.120 there are massive amounts of opinion and chunks of like 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:08.800 nostalgia heaped upon how you fly fish. But for me, 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:10.920 it is a means to catch fish. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.600 The fish you ever caught on a fly rod? 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:15.080 No, No, not at all. 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.680 What was the first fish you caught? 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:21.360 M I am. I would think it's a rainbow. 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.720 Because you grew up Montanna. Yep, Yeah, you caught them 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:25.680 on what a worm? 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:27.400 Man? 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.240 You know? We used to My mom used to have 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.439 us round up grasshoppers out of the garden. We'd take 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:37.360 a bobber a hook and float it down. Prior Creek 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.640 on the Crow Indian Reservation outside of Billings Yep, and 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:43.120 catch a lot of. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.040 That's Prior Creek, like the Prior Mountains. It has some 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:45.760 wild horses in it. 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:47.280 D Yep, exactly, yep. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.160 And you guys catch the would you thump them in 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:51.080 the head or would you We would keep. 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:51.760 Quite a few fish. 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.960 So right, I'm gonna get real technical about fly fish. 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.880 Remember Ryan was sharing me today. We're talking about all 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:00.640 the dues and don'ts of fly fish, all the ethics 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.120 of fly fish. And he was saying that around here, 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:08.280 guys are guys like we'll fish a dry fly. They 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.200 will not want to strip a wooly bugger, which is 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.080 apparently not how one fly fishes, but they will run 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.280 a nymph break, which is basically bobber fishing with a 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.800 fly route. I call a what do you strike indicator? 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:24.360 This is a fish. 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:26.440 You say, what do you guys bobber fishing? Well, no, 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:27.520 it's a strike indicator. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:29.640 Yeah, that's what it is with my four year you know, 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.079 my four year old uses it to indicate when he 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:32.640 has a strike. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.480 Yes, but we'll say it's a bobber. 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.240 You know, the funniest thing about that too, is that 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.640 they had all these different kinds of Now you're here, 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.840 you're here in Kent. Is it that all these different 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.760 kinds of bobbers for years? Right, they had these you know, 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.640 fuzzy things, this and that, and now guys just have 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:54.160 thrown the towel in. They use bobbers, real spring loaded bobber. Well, 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:56.440 it's a little bit lighter, so Castle, But it's. 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.240 Like you're referring to a thing. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:07.240 Because it's the thing when it comes fishing. Yes, no, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.360 I didn't use one, but I will use one. Heck, 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.800 I'm a fit. I like to catch fish. Man, I'm not. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.760 I use indicators all the time. But you just got 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.440 back from doing today steelhead fishing. I was up on 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.880 the Klimat and it was exceptionally good. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.400 Explain the whole thing like you're you had a seven 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:25.599 year dry spell or something like that. 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.240 Oh, I mean I have been. You know, we kind 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.960 of go regardless. It's a family reunion kind of deal. 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.679 So the fishing is a secondary program, so we just 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.800 kind of show up and if the fish are in, 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.079 the fish you're in. Traditionally, the fish are not in 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:40.480 this year. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.880 Because the time of year, just because like the rivers 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.040 have because those rivers have been so degraded, and the 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:46.640 steelhead runs are not what they used to be. 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:48.320 In all that, all of the above, but you know, 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.280 with steelhead fishing, it's one of those things where you're 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:55.000 either you know and you quickly find this out, is 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.080 that you arrive and everybody there is like packing up, 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.640 saying you should have been here last week. Yeah, it's 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.640 the classic example. But this time, I was there last 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.280 week and you know this was traditionally, You're there this week. 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.320 It was the week and it was off the chart. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:13.640 It was like as good a fishing as even the 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.679 old timers there fishing there for forty years said it 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:17.160 was the best fishing they had for forty years. 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:21.280 Now, I want to explain something real quick. So steelhead like, 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:26.440 there's a term anagamous, right, So anagamous means that a 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.040 fish lives in the ocean, or in the case of 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.000 the Great Lakes, lives in a lake and runs up 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:36.280 the river to spawn. And then the opposite of anagamous catadronists, 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.160 where a fish like a American eels catagransts, lives in 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:40.680 the river and goes out to the ocean to spawn. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.720 But steel had a river run or like sea run rainbows. 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:48.959 It's a rainbow trout that you know he's hatched, he's born, 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:51.760 goes through his larval stage or whatever is his his 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.440 youth in the river, goes back out of the ocean, 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.000 turns into a big fatty, comes back out the river. 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.520 Guy like Kenton goes down there and catches one, and 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.200 it's not too big. And sometimes it's hard to tell 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.160 if you caught a rainbow or a steelhead. 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.240 Certainly on the or on the younger fish. You know, 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.280 a young steelhead will be you know, two pounds and 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:12.920 eighteen inches, which you know for a rainbow, it's a 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:13.600 great fish. 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.760 A giant fish and steelhead. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:17.600 You know, they can get up to be huge. I mean, 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.240 you know, it's not uncommon for god to catch a 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:20.000 ten pound fish. 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:21.719 Was the biggest one you guys got. 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:22.520 Mmm. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.320 I caught a nine pound, probably eight and a half 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:27.320 nine pounder on a drive fly, which was kinda. 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:31.600 And there's no doubt that that fish had been out 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:32.960 in the ocean for couple of years at that point. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.120 I mean, he's just a full on, balls out steelhead, 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.720 full on and we were only fifteen miles off the coast. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:40.640 Was he clipped? Was he a hattery fish? 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:40.679 No? 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:41.360 Wild? 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:42.280 Wild born fish? 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:42.640 Wild? 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.520 And in fact all the fish I caught pretty much 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:46.160 were wild. 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.000 You probably can't even thump those fish, right, you can't 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:49.800 keep them. 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:53.559 So that's legally enforced catching release exactly. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.080 And then if you have that's and so one guy 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:59.160 on the trip caught a caught one with a clip 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.520 out of post flint fin, and we smoked it and 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:03.720 ate it and it was fantastic. 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.040 What is it really? Yeah, so it's got a clip fin. 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.280 If it's a hattery fish, you can keep it correct 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:09.760 and then you got stumped it yep. 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.160 Brought it in and it was probably a seven or 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.439 eight pound fish, filate it and then smoked it all 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:16.920 day the next day in the smoker. 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.440 You know, like ad a pose fin means it just 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.440 means extra fin, like a little fin on their back. 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.360 It's not clear what function it serves. Probably sort of 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.400 something they used to cut everybody's tonsils out. They didn't 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.160 think to function, So ada post means extra. My brother 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:33.160 Danny has an added post nipple. He's got a he's 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:33.800 got a third nipple. 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.520 Es they do. 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.280 All men's nipples are out of post. 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.080 Well, I know, but it's extra ada post. It's like 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.200 it's like the extra you know. 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:48.840 So oddly enough, he didn't show that you didn't bring. 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:52.560 That fish with them with the Malaski. So he's got 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:56.560 aniple snipples and fin like when you take a fish 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:58.200 if you want to know that he's a hattery fish. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.360 They just snipped that little fin off. It's kind of 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:04.319 like it sits between the dorsal fin and the caudal fin, 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.000 which is the tailor's like this little thing. 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.880 On there and it's I don't know, floppy it does. 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:09.680 Yeah, I don't know. 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:11.600 It might be some kind of vestigial thing like it 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:12.120 used to do. 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:13.840 Something that doesn't do now, agreed. 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.000 So if you want to mark a hashy fish, just 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.640 snipped that thing. So what Canton here's saying is that 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.040 a wild fish. It was like hashed and reared in 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:27.680 the wild. His hands off and you know the way around. 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:29.720 If you could have killed one of those fish, probably 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:30.720 wouldn't killed it, though. 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.560 I would have kept one or two. I was already 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:36.680 had the smoker. I mean, I was kind of fired up, 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:38.720 and you know, I might as well filled it was 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:40.480 kind of small smoker. I was the goal was to 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.080 fill the smoker up. You know, if you're going to 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:43.960 run it, you might as well have the smoker. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.920 One thing, I kind of like today we fished this 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:52.440 morning when Helen got corrupted, We're fishing for cutthroats. 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.840 I have kind of honestly quit killing cutthroats. 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:57.440 Yeah, I understand that in. 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:00.640 Rivers like like wild cuffs, because cutthroats as species, there's 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.840 certain species in this country that are just sort of 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.040 you know, they have highs and lows, but the just 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:13.440 the general atmosphere, they're generally going downhill, you know what 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:16.120 I mean, mule deer. It's like, you know what, like 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.560 like people are predicting in some ways, you can predict 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.160 the end of Muldier like they're sensitive and sure you'd 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.000 be like, oh, yeah, the golf course is always Muldery 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.160 on the golf course. But in general, like Muldier are 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.360 things will look great for Muldier right now. Number of 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.240 things like drought, habitat loss or you know a lot 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.080 of issues we could correct if we felt like it, 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:34.920 If we had the energy and the money and we 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.200 didn't care so much about being inconvenience, we. 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:38.120 Could fix the situation. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.400 Cutthroats on Earth thing you're just like generally seem to 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.800 be going as even talk of putting cut some strains 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.200 and cuts on the danger species list. So I like 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:48.840 to go out and get them. And this guy like 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.720 fits hits the conundrum of what I'm talking about when 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:53.480 I want to talk about this on a podcast. Is 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.720 I like to go out and get them. Okay, I 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:00.400 don't want to kill them because I'm like, yea, you know, 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:02.440 I just feel the pain. 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:02.920 Of the cut throats. 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:04.200 So when I hold a cut through, I feel the 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.080 pain of the species, right, and I know that the individual, 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.360 like the essence of the species isn't wrapped up in 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.360 that little individual fish in my hand, But he sort 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.320 of stands for something that's in decline. So I see 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.120 him and I want to let him go. But what 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:17.640 is it that made me want to poke a hole 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:22.760 in his face? And realment? You know, because the dirty 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.400 secret about catching realist stuff? 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:25.520 Is there some mortality? 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.240 Yes, there absolutely is. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.800 They don't like it depends on water temp. It can 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:32.800 be high as fifteen percent. What have you ever heard? 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:35.280 Yeah about there fifteen to twenty. 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:36.440 Yeah, I was tell me, so tell me the story 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.200 you telling me the other day about as a guide 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:39.960 how many fish you guys land today. 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:45.240 Well, there came a point when well into my guiding 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:46.880 career when I would start to. 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:48.520 Tell where you like, tell where you were guiding. 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:49.520 This is the weird deal. 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.920 The guy is talking right now. The guy that's talking 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.080 right now, Yiannis we tell Us works on Meat Eater 0:16:56.480 --> 0:17:01.800 and the show knew my Are you still sick of 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:07.600 hearing this story? Jannis knew Joannis knew my wife in 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.359 high school. Okay, so my wife when we met. My 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.159 wife's like, the only person I ever knew who liked 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:14.919 to hunt like you guys do. Is this guy Yannis 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:16.720 Poutelus is just in when you're out together, like they're 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:21.840 paying attention to what you're talking about, just like you know, no, Joe, 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:23.320 but you saw this the one day I'm looking at 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.480 this magazine, Western Hunter magazine, which is of my favorite 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.760 hunting magazines, and I'm looking at Western Hunter and there's 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.159 a picture of kind of that iconic image of a 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.000 dude with a par of binoculars up in the mountains, 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:35.480 and it says like Yiannis Boutellis glasses the Colorado high Country. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:37.680 And I right away call my wife at work. I'm 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:39.680 like Who's that dude? You ways talking about Yannis something 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.040 or another that likes to hunt. She's like, yannest Poutlus. 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:43.439 I'm like, I'm looking at that dude. He's in the 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:48.560 magazine right here in my lap. So we connect through 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.159 I think, through my wife's Facebook, and it turns out 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.440 that Jannis is living up Jannis's wife is a botanist 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.520