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Speaker 1: Tell what you just did for the first time.
Speaker 5: Today fly fishing. For the first time.
Speaker 1: Helen Show went for fly fishing. It's as like today
Speaker 1: we watched an otherwise honest person get corrupted because Helen
Speaker 1: Show was up until today like a meat slayer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2: Helen fished in order like Helen went out to fish.
Speaker 1: She used to go out to fish in order to
Speaker 1: kill fish and eat them with a spinning round. You
Speaker 1: like to sur you like to serve fish. You like
Speaker 1: to fish, you want to you fish. She likes to party,
Speaker 1: she likes to party on boats. She likes to fish.
Speaker 1: She likes to fish on party boats. She used to
Speaker 1: go out and was a fish killer. And today she
Speaker 1: was corrupted right here and catch him and went on
Speaker 1: an outing that was meant to be to catch fish,
Speaker 1: to poke holes in fishes faces for fun and then
Speaker 1: let them go. So Helen became a fly fishing catch
Speaker 1: and release angler today.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you become one, if you go once,
Speaker 6: were you dabbled in it, it was the introduction was.
Speaker 1: She was lured to the dark side of catching release
Speaker 1: angling today right here and catch him.
Speaker 2: I was with her. I caught a fish and let
Speaker 2: him go. I caught he was. I caught him an accident,
Speaker 2: but I called him let him go.
Speaker 1: And that's one thing I want to talk about today
Speaker 1: is the thing that's for plex meal whole life. And
Speaker 1: I've said on both sides of defense is and I
Speaker 1: packed this room with fly fishermen, is what like I
Speaker 1: want to talk about why do something like what is
Speaker 1: it with fly fishing? Because we all the fly fishing
Speaker 1: is you know, technically right catch if I'm wrong. The
Speaker 1: real only different like to define fly fishing would be
Speaker 1: the fly the lure is delivered by the weight of the.
Speaker 2: Line, right, yep.
Speaker 1: And on spin fishing, the lure is delivered by its
Speaker 1: own weight when you cast. Yeah, but there's massive amounts
Speaker 1: of cultural bs. There's like massive, like massive amounts of
Speaker 1: like cultural and ethical stuff has been laid over.
Speaker 2: What's the difference between spin fishing and fly fishing.
Speaker 4: Yes, and that's something we covered today. Like I look
Speaker 4: at fly fishing as a means to catch fish.
Speaker 2: This is Ryan Callahan talking.
Speaker 4: That's it, right, And there is just like you said,
Speaker 4: there are massive amounts of opinion and chunks of like
Speaker 4: nostalgia heaped upon how you fly fish. But for me,
Speaker 4: it is a means to catch fish.
Speaker 2: The fish you ever caught on a fly rod?
Speaker 4: No, No, not at all.
Speaker 2: What was the first fish you caught?
Speaker 4: M I am. I would think it's a rainbow.
Speaker 2: Because you grew up Montanna. Yep, Yeah, you caught them
Speaker 2: on what a worm?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: You know? We used to My mom used to have
Speaker 4: us round up grasshoppers out of the garden. We'd take
Speaker 4: a bobber a hook and float it down. Prior Creek
Speaker 4: on the Crow Indian Reservation outside of Billings Yep, and
Speaker 4: catch a lot of.
Speaker 1: That's Prior Creek, like the Prior Mountains. It has some
Speaker 1: wild horses in it.
Speaker 4: D Yep, exactly, yep.
Speaker 2: And you guys catch the would you thump them in
Speaker 2: the head or would you We would keep.
Speaker 4: Quite a few fish.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So right, I'm gonna get real technical about fly fish.
Speaker 1: Remember Ryan was sharing me today. We're talking about all
Speaker 1: the dues and don'ts of fly fish, all the ethics
Speaker 1: of fly fish. And he was saying that around here,
Speaker 1: guys are guys like we'll fish a dry fly. They
Speaker 1: will not want to strip a wooly bugger, which is
Speaker 1: apparently not how one fly fishes, but they will run
Speaker 1: a nymph break, which is basically bobber fishing with a
Speaker 1: fly route. I call a what do you strike indicator?
Speaker 1: This is a fish.
Speaker 2: You say, what do you guys bobber fishing? Well, no,
Speaker 2: it's a strike indicator.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it is with my four year you know,
Speaker 1: my four year old uses it to indicate when he
Speaker 1: has a strike.
Speaker 2: Yes, but we'll say it's a bobber.
Speaker 3: You know, the funniest thing about that too, is that
Speaker 3: they had all these different kinds of Now you're here,
Speaker 3: you're here in Kent. Is it that all these different
Speaker 3: kinds of bobbers for years? Right, they had these you know,
Speaker 3: fuzzy things, this and that, and now guys just have
Speaker 3: thrown the towel in. They use bobbers, real spring loaded bobber. Well,
Speaker 3: it's a little bit lighter, so Castle, But it's.
Speaker 4: Like you're referring to a thing.
Speaker 3: Because it's the thing when it comes fishing. Yes, no,
Speaker 3: I didn't use one, but I will use one. Heck,
Speaker 3: I'm a fit. I like to catch fish. Man, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I use indicators all the time. But you just got
Speaker 3: back from doing today steelhead fishing. I was up on
Speaker 3: the Klimat and it was exceptionally good.
Speaker 1: Explain the whole thing like you're you had a seven
Speaker 1: year dry spell or something like that.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean I have been. You know, we kind
Speaker 3: of go regardless. It's a family reunion kind of deal.
Speaker 3: So the fishing is a secondary program, so we just
Speaker 3: kind of show up and if the fish are in,
Speaker 3: the fish you're in. Traditionally, the fish are not in
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 1: Because the time of year, just because like the rivers
Speaker 1: have because those rivers have been so degraded, and the
Speaker 1: steelhead runs are not what they used to be.
Speaker 3: In all that, all of the above, but you know,
Speaker 3: with steelhead fishing, it's one of those things where you're
Speaker 3: either you know and you quickly find this out, is
Speaker 3: that you arrive and everybody there is like packing up,
Speaker 3: saying you should have been here last week. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: the classic example. But this time, I was there last
Speaker 3: week and you know this was traditionally, You're there this week.
Speaker 3: It was the week and it was off the chart.
Speaker 3: It was like as good a fishing as even the
Speaker 3: old timers there fishing there for forty years said it
Speaker 3: was the best fishing they had for forty years.
Speaker 1: Now, I want to explain something real quick. So steelhead like,
Speaker 1: there's a term anagamous, right, So anagamous means that a
Speaker 1: fish lives in the ocean, or in the case of
Speaker 1: the Great Lakes, lives in a lake and runs up
Speaker 1: the river to spawn. And then the opposite of anagamous catadronists,
Speaker 1: where a fish like a American eels catagransts, lives in
Speaker 1: the river and goes out to the ocean to spawn.
Speaker 1: But steel had a river run or like sea run rainbows.
Speaker 1: It's a rainbow trout that you know he's hatched, he's born,
Speaker 1: goes through his larval stage or whatever is his his
Speaker 1: youth in the river, goes back out of the ocean,
Speaker 1: turns into a big fatty, comes back out the river.
Speaker 1: Guy like Kenton goes down there and catches one, and
Speaker 1: it's not too big. And sometimes it's hard to tell
Speaker 1: if you caught a rainbow or a steelhead.
Speaker 3: Certainly on the or on the younger fish. You know,
Speaker 3: a young steelhead will be you know, two pounds and
Speaker 3: eighteen inches, which you know for a rainbow, it's a
Speaker 3: great fish.
Speaker 1: A giant fish and steelhead.
Speaker 3: You know, they can get up to be huge. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, it's not uncommon for god to catch a
Speaker 3: ten pound fish.
Speaker 2: Was the biggest one you guys got.
Speaker 4: Mmm.
Speaker 3: I caught a nine pound, probably eight and a half
Speaker 3: nine pounder on a drive fly, which was kinda.
Speaker 1: And there's no doubt that that fish had been out
Speaker 1: in the ocean for couple of years at that point.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's just a full on, balls out steelhead,
Speaker 3: full on and we were only fifteen miles off the coast.
Speaker 2: Was he clipped? Was he a hattery fish?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Wild?
Speaker 2: Wild born fish?
Speaker 4: Wild?
Speaker 3: And in fact all the fish I caught pretty much
Speaker 3: were wild.
Speaker 1: You probably can't even thump those fish, right, you can't
Speaker 1: keep them.
Speaker 2: So that's legally enforced catching release exactly.
Speaker 3: And then if you have that's and so one guy
Speaker 3: on the trip caught a caught one with a clip
Speaker 3: out of post flint fin, and we smoked it and
Speaker 3: ate it and it was fantastic.
Speaker 2: What is it really? Yeah, so it's got a clip fin.
Speaker 1: If it's a hattery fish, you can keep it correct
Speaker 1: and then you got stumped it yep.
Speaker 3: Brought it in and it was probably a seven or
Speaker 3: eight pound fish, filate it and then smoked it all
Speaker 3: day the next day in the smoker.
Speaker 1: You know, like ad a pose fin means it just
Speaker 1: means extra fin, like a little fin on their back.
Speaker 1: It's not clear what function it serves. Probably sort of
Speaker 1: something they used to cut everybody's tonsils out. They didn't
Speaker 1: think to function, So ada post means extra. My brother
Speaker 1: Danny has an added post nipple. He's got a he's
Speaker 1: got a third nipple.
Speaker 8: Es they do.
Speaker 3: All men's nipples are out of post.
Speaker 1: Well, I know, but it's extra ada post. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like the extra you know.
Speaker 4: So oddly enough, he didn't show that you didn't bring.
Speaker 1: That fish with them with the Malaski. So he's got
Speaker 1: aniple snipples and fin like when you take a fish
Speaker 1: if you want to know that he's a hattery fish.
Speaker 1: They just snipped that little fin off. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like it sits between the dorsal fin and the caudal fin,
Speaker 1: which is the tailor's like this little thing.
Speaker 3: On there and it's I don't know, floppy it does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It might be some kind of vestigial thing like it
Speaker 2: used to do.
Speaker 3: Something that doesn't do now, agreed.
Speaker 1: So if you want to mark a hashy fish, just
Speaker 1: snipped that thing. So what Canton here's saying is that
Speaker 1: a wild fish. It was like hashed and reared in
Speaker 1: the wild. His hands off and you know the way around.
Speaker 1: If you could have killed one of those fish, probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't killed it, though.
Speaker 3: I would have kept one or two. I was already
Speaker 3: had the smoker. I mean, I was kind of fired up,
Speaker 3: and you know, I might as well filled it was
Speaker 3: kind of small smoker. I was the goal was to
Speaker 3: fill the smoker up. You know, if you're going to
Speaker 3: run it, you might as well have the smoker.
Speaker 1: One thing, I kind of like today we fished this
Speaker 1: morning when Helen got corrupted, We're fishing for cutthroats.
Speaker 2: I have kind of honestly quit killing cutthroats.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand that in.
Speaker 1: Rivers like like wild cuffs, because cutthroats as species, there's
Speaker 1: certain species in this country that are just sort of
Speaker 1: you know, they have highs and lows, but the just
Speaker 1: the general atmosphere, they're generally going downhill, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, mule deer. It's like, you know what, like
Speaker 1: like people are predicting in some ways, you can predict
Speaker 1: the end of Muldier like they're sensitive and sure you'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, the golf course is always Muldery
Speaker 1: on the golf course. But in general, like Muldier are
Speaker 1: things will look great for Muldier right now. Number of
Speaker 1: things like drought, habitat loss or you know a lot
Speaker 1: of issues we could correct if we felt like it,
Speaker 1: If we had the energy and the money and we
Speaker 1: didn't care so much about being inconvenience, we.
Speaker 2: Could fix the situation.
Speaker 1: Cutthroats on Earth thing you're just like generally seem to
Speaker 1: be going as even talk of putting cut some strains
Speaker 1: and cuts on the danger species list. So I like
Speaker 1: to go out and get them. And this guy like
Speaker 1: fits hits the conundrum of what I'm talking about when
Speaker 1: I want to talk about this on a podcast. Is
Speaker 1: I like to go out and get them. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't want to kill them because I'm like, yea, you know,
Speaker 1: I just feel the pain.
Speaker 2: Of the cut throats.
Speaker 1: So when I hold a cut through, I feel the
Speaker 1: pain of the species, right, and I know that the individual,
Speaker 1: like the essence of the species isn't wrapped up in
Speaker 1: that little individual fish in my hand, But he sort
Speaker 1: of stands for something that's in decline. So I see
Speaker 1: him and I want to let him go. But what
Speaker 1: is it that made me want to poke a hole
Speaker 1: in his face? And realment? You know, because the dirty
Speaker 1: secret about catching realist stuff?
Speaker 2: Is there some mortality?
Speaker 4: Yes, there absolutely is.
Speaker 1: They don't like it depends on water temp. It can
Speaker 1: be high as fifteen percent. What have you ever heard?
Speaker 4: Yeah about there fifteen to twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was tell me, so tell me the story
Speaker 1: you telling me the other day about as a guide
Speaker 1: how many fish you guys land today.
Speaker 8: Well, there came a point when well into my guiding
Speaker 8: career when I would start to.
Speaker 2: Tell where you like, tell where you were guiding.
Speaker 4: This is the weird deal.
Speaker 1: The guy is talking right now. The guy that's talking
Speaker 1: right now, Yiannis we tell Us works on Meat Eater
Speaker 1: and the show knew my Are you still sick of
Speaker 1: hearing this story? Jannis knew Joannis knew my wife in
Speaker 1: high school. Okay, so my wife when we met. My
Speaker 1: wife's like, the only person I ever knew who liked
Speaker 1: to hunt like you guys do. Is this guy Yannis
Speaker 1: Poutelus is just in when you're out together, like they're
Speaker 1: paying attention to what you're talking about, just like you know, no, Joe,
Speaker 1: but you saw this the one day I'm looking at
Speaker 1: this magazine, Western Hunter magazine, which is of my favorite
Speaker 1: hunting magazines, and I'm looking at Western Hunter and there's
Speaker 1: a picture of kind of that iconic image of a
Speaker 1: dude with a par of binoculars up in the mountains,
Speaker 1: and it says like Yiannis Boutellis glasses the Colorado high Country.
Speaker 1: And I right away call my wife at work. I'm
Speaker 1: like Who's that dude? You ways talking about Yannis something
Speaker 1: or another that likes to hunt. She's like, yannest Poutlus.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm looking at that dude. He's in the
Speaker 1: magazine right here in my lap. So we connect through
Speaker 1: I think, through my wife's Facebook, and it turns out
Speaker 1: that Jannis is living up Jannis's wife is a botanist
Speaker 1: and they're spending some time up in Fairbanks, and so
Speaker 1: we're going to up to do a dull sheep hunt
Speaker 1: for the show, and we hired Janis to carry a backpack.
Speaker 1: Everybody fell in love with them. And at the time,
Speaker 1: you were guiding.
Speaker 4: The easy thing to do.
Speaker 2: Tommy is like.
Speaker 1: Guide know from Colorado, guide Olk in Arizona, doing some
Speaker 1: coups your stuff down to Mexico.
Speaker 2: He started working with us in the bench.
Speaker 1: We weued him away from all that, but he was
Speaker 1: a trout guide for a long time and he's now
Speaker 1: going to relate like an observation he had about how
Speaker 1: catch re these fly fishermen can't quite have as bright
Speaker 1: as a halo.
Speaker 2: Hanging over their head as they might like spin it.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, because I felt like with seasoned, good anglers
Speaker 8: that were competent and knew what they were doing when
Speaker 8: the timing was right, when the fishing was hot.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 4: Mostly it was for us the month of July.
Speaker 8: This is central Colorado, the Eagle River, the Colorado River
Speaker 8: there winning Fork down outside of Aspen, we could catch
Speaker 8: forty to sixty fish sometimes per angler in an eight
Speaker 8: hour float. You know, when the fish is hot, you
Speaker 8: know your fish is hitting the dry every you know,
Speaker 8: a couple of minutes, so you can rack up the numbers.
Speaker 8: I never did it, but we definitely had guys that
Speaker 8: would run the clicker. Really they really wanted to. They
Speaker 8: were proud of their numbers, you know, so they would
Speaker 8: sit there and click fish anyways.
Speaker 2: Like a golf clicker or does orbs make a click
Speaker 2: just I don't know.
Speaker 1: Fish.
Speaker 8: But when you get into those kind of numbers and
Speaker 8: then you start talking about ten percent mortality rate, you know,
Speaker 8: that's a lot of fish that die every day.
Speaker 1: It's more than some dude down there with some snelled
Speaker 1: hooks and a box of crawlers.
Speaker 8: Well, as long as he is abiding by the rules.
Speaker 8: In most places, it's too trout a day, you know.
Speaker 8: So if he catches his two and leaves they only
Speaker 8: killed two, and he probably he probably didn't poke too
Speaker 8: many others, you know, where we would poke fifty and
Speaker 8: you know for losing you know, five to ten of
Speaker 8: those fish, a lot of dead fish.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, whenever he goes by, that dude down the
Speaker 1: bank like something do at the bank, four or five
Speaker 1: kids up and down the bank and diapers and he's
Speaker 1: out there drowning crawlers.
Speaker 4: Like I did a walking back the stringer that guy.
Speaker 1: I helped one stringers with the clicker wire class.
Speaker 8: I helped the Division Widlife do a dead fish count
Speaker 8: once on the Eagle and we floated down. We didn't
Speaker 8: really float, we like kind of crept skidded down the
Speaker 8: Eagle River. Super low water, just going over rocks the
Speaker 8: whole way, warm water temperatures. I think we picked up
Speaker 8: twenty four dead fish. You can just see him on
Speaker 8: the bottom of the river, you know.
Speaker 1: White bellies up, red spots on their lip when you
Speaker 1: look at him just counting them.
Speaker 8: No, we were taking them, you know, I want to
Speaker 8: say it's seventeen out of those fish. You could see
Speaker 8: the handprint on them from where they were probably held
Speaker 8: up for a picture. And you know, like you were
Speaker 8: telling Jimmy today, well, your hands before you touch the trout,
Speaker 8: and so many people don't know how to probably handle
Speaker 8: a fish, and so then that metality ray goes even higher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about my little boy.
Speaker 1: I wanted him to let a cot go, and so
Speaker 1: I was telling, you know, get your hands wept for
Speaker 1: you slipped on your belly. I know, like I tell
Speaker 1: you that, I remember the exact instant. The instance I
Speaker 1: ever in my life is an instance or instant. I
Speaker 1: think I I feel like I already screwed that up.
Speaker 1: I think I know the exact instance in my life
Speaker 1: when I heard the term catchule these fishing, like my
Speaker 1: old man, I'm not even going to get into why
Speaker 1: this was okay, but in my old man's eyes, like
Speaker 1: like bass season began on whatever.
Speaker 7: Day, okay in Michigan.
Speaker 1: Let's say it was June one, and his so we
Speaker 1: all thought it began on mid that midnight rather than
Speaker 1: look at it began on June one. We talked about
Speaker 1: like beginning like the thirty first at midnight, and he thought, well,
Speaker 1: as long as it's starting up at midnight, which was
Speaker 1: tending the next day. We were allowed to fish that
Speaker 1: day because we couldn't be up at midnight we had
Speaker 1: to go to bed. So we were allowed to fish
Speaker 1: and keep bass, but we wouldn't We couldn't cut him
Speaker 1: until the next day when it was well into season.
Speaker 1: So we had a live well. I grew up in
Speaker 1: a lake and we had doc and we had a
Speaker 1: live well that my dad made out of You know
Speaker 1: those you when you had a grocery store and they
Speaker 1: have those bread racks, like the big rolling racks, the
Speaker 1: plastic perforated shells, they have all the loads of bread
Speaker 1: on them. He just took a bunch of those and
Speaker 1: zip tied them together into a live well and put
Speaker 1: styrofoam around it. And we could fish bass all day
Speaker 1: and put bass into the live well, and then season
Speaker 1: would start, so the next day we'd gel o fish
Speaker 1: I live flame.
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you to do things.
Speaker 1: I was trying to get and I was so I
Speaker 1: was so little that I was still getting My parents
Speaker 1: are still giving me baths. Okay, I remember that because
Speaker 1: I caught a big, huge bass two docks down on
Speaker 1: Gary's dock and hauled that thing home and was trying
Speaker 1: to get it into the live well and dropped it,
Speaker 1: and I was devastated. And I was so young that
Speaker 1: my parents would give me baths. So remember that night
Speaker 1: I was getting a bath. My mom was giving me
Speaker 1: a bath, and I was still so distraught about the
Speaker 1: bass I lost that my old man came in and
Speaker 1: told me some people fish just to let him go
Speaker 1: as a way to try to make me feel better.
Speaker 1: And I later got into it. I got into like
Speaker 1: and steal it and like, I don't mean this is
Speaker 1: gonna bring down the steel that if you like to catch canon,
Speaker 1: because in the Great Lakes we have a steelhead, like
Speaker 1: the Great Eggs are like an aquarium where he turns,
Speaker 1: like all the fish that were in there are kind
Speaker 1: of like either not there or they're hurting. But then
Speaker 1: we have great it's a great fishery of imported fish.
Speaker 2: So we have great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have all like almost all the Pacific salmon.
Speaker 1: They tried to get Atlantics going. We have pinks, Coho, Shanook,
Speaker 1: we got lake run browns like that.
Speaker 2: There's tons of fish steelhead and we.
Speaker 1: Used to count them and like for us, I remember
Speaker 1: the best year I ever had my third year of college.
Speaker 1: I think I landed forty four steelhead and I probably
Speaker 1: thumped two of them.
Speaker 2: I thump one of them when I.
Speaker 1: Was dating this girl from Sarajevo because I wanted to
Speaker 1: cook one for and I thump another one has some
Speaker 1: other time. And we mostly just caught them just to
Speaker 1: count them, you know, And you were bad ass. If
Speaker 1: you could catch hundreds, you ahead and let them go.
Speaker 1: And I would get where I look down on the
Speaker 1: dudes doing it, and then I'm gonna quit talking mostly
Speaker 1: after this. But so we got so into fly fishing
Speaker 1: for steelhead, and then the steel that wasn't always good.
Speaker 1: So then we got way interested in going to Mexico
Speaker 1: and fish for bonefish. So then my brother and I
Speaker 1: went down to Mexico to catch and release bonefish for
Speaker 1: a month and we had fish bonefish all day and
Speaker 1: let them go, and then in the evening we'd catch
Speaker 1: other fish to eat. And I would, in my day
Speaker 1: look more forward to going and trying to catch little
Speaker 1: snappers and grunts and stuff out of the channels in
Speaker 1: order to eat, because we just had a bag of rice,
Speaker 1: a bag of dried rice, a bag of dried beans, water,
Speaker 1: and we ate fish or we ate comic. So here
Speaker 1: we are like, oh, we're not going to kill the
Speaker 1: bonefish because some reason I can't explain. But we'll kill
Speaker 1: all these other fish. We don't even know what the
Speaker 1: hell they are. They're just fish, like, no idea what
Speaker 1: this is? Like, Oh it looks like a edible fish.
Speaker 1: We eat them and I eventually I just got dizzy
Speaker 1: from all the like the.
Speaker 2: What you know?
Speaker 1: The why?
Speaker 4: Why is this better than yes? And then I know something,
Speaker 4: why is this we're saving?
Speaker 1: I know some of the guys fish catch release and
Speaker 1: they're like, well, I'm not going to kill these trow
Speaker 1: I don't want to damage fishery, you know. Damn Well,
Speaker 1: when they get done, they go to some restaurant order fish.
Speaker 1: I don't know where it came from. It's like, what
Speaker 1: about that fishery? Yeah, what's that fishery doing?
Speaker 4: And we talked about this on the hunting side of
Speaker 4: things all the time.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like I was hiking with the friend of mine's niece, uh,
Speaker 4: taking her mushroom hunting. The spring came across an elk
Speaker 4: calf and you ate it.
Speaker 3: I bought it.
Speaker 4: I landed it fairly, no, and she said, well, where's
Speaker 4: the mall? But well, she's probably up in this meadow feeding.
Speaker 4: We were kind of on the fringe of this big
Speaker 4: meadow and she's, well, what's she would like, stay here
Speaker 4: and help the calf. And I'm like, well, if the
Speaker 4: bear comes by. He came by it, honestly, and she's like, whoa,
Speaker 4: we should save it from the bear. It's like, well,
Speaker 4: what makes the very or less valuable than that health calf?
Speaker 4: You know, It's like and why is that up to
Speaker 4: us to decide that?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 4: The whole steelhead steelhead fly fishing is a great topic
Speaker 4: because that's like to our very first conversation that we
Speaker 4: made where it's like, this is how you fly fish.
Speaker 4: But you look across the river at the guy with
Speaker 4: the you know, single pin rod and he's running three
Speaker 4: hundred yards of mono down the river on a slip
Speaker 4: bobber and he's crushing fish. You're like, I bet I
Speaker 4: can make this fly rod do that, yeah, and catch
Speaker 4: more fish. And you know a lot of times I
Speaker 4: call it like playing with house money, right, Like I'll
Speaker 4: go out and I will nimp and run the bead, right.
Speaker 4: And that's very controversial in fly fishing. We've talked about
Speaker 4: that when we were up in BC.
Speaker 1: Honestly, iad nymph.
Speaker 4: No, you run a bead like you go to look
Speaker 4: like an egg.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's controversial. Yeah it's not honest.
Speaker 4: It looks like it doesn't have an egg, or it
Speaker 4: doesn't have a hook on it. Nobody tied it. It's artificial.
Speaker 4: You take a toothpick, you jam it so it sits
Speaker 4: above your hook.
Speaker 1: So it's basically running a flasher. I don't really know
Speaker 1: about it now. I remember you guys talk about this
Speaker 1: when we were hunting a BC.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's no different than what the guys back in
Speaker 8: Michigan do with running like a sack of eggs with
Speaker 8: like a hook a couple of inches.
Speaker 2: Like a stinger hook.
Speaker 4: Yeah, same thing.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that it's controversial in in I don't
Speaker 1: want to say elite in like what's the best term
Speaker 1: for like extreme, like the pure like okay, from the
Speaker 1: purest fly fishing perspective.
Speaker 4: I don't know it's.
Speaker 1: Controversial to.
Speaker 3: A traditionalist traditionalist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, traditionalist won't run a beat.
Speaker 3: I mean a true A lot of these traditionalists don't
Speaker 3: won't even they're just all about dry fly, like even
Speaker 3: even if you're even nymphs.
Speaker 2: They don't want to catch a fish on the wet fly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just kind of it's it's you know, look
Speaker 3: down upon.
Speaker 4: But you can swing a wet flag.
Speaker 8: One of the best arguments I ever heard, and it's
Speaker 8: one of the oldest arguments out there was the late
Speaker 8: Great Lee.
Speaker 4: Wolf who famous fishing run exactly.
Speaker 8: And well, and he tied up the Royal Wolf, which
Speaker 8: is still a fish catching machine.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't it doesn't replicate anything.
Speaker 4: No, it's.
Speaker 2: A map spinner.
Speaker 4: Yes, let me finish my story.
Speaker 8: His deal was why he wasn't into fishing because I
Speaker 8: think during his fishing career five fishermen started to basically
Speaker 8: fish below the surface and then you started using sinking
Speaker 8: tip lines and adding weight and whatnot.
Speaker 2: And he was when this was like what.
Speaker 8: I'd have to guess, it'd be fifties, sixties substantiated moving on.
Speaker 8: But he felt like by by doing that, you weren't
Speaker 8: given like the fish just a day off, a time
Speaker 8: to reprieve.
Speaker 4: Like he felt like you should catch them when.
Speaker 1: They want to eat on the surface. It's like you
Speaker 1: give him a break. Here's the thing though, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try, I'm gonna try to make a parallel.
Speaker 2: I'n warn you, right, now it's not gonna work.
Speaker 1: Okay. People will say, oh I hunt wow, And I like,
Speaker 1: I like to hunt wild pigs. Okay, so I'm guilty
Speaker 1: this because I hate If I could wave a magic
Speaker 1: wand and make wild pigs be gone, I kind of
Speaker 1: I'd be very tempted to wave the magic wand because
Speaker 1: of the because of the damage that wild pigs do.
Speaker 1: I mean they heard ground nesting birds. They cause a
Speaker 1: lot of, you know, economic trouble for people, a lot
Speaker 1: of ecological trouble. So if I could, if somebody, if
Speaker 1: God came down from the skies and.
Speaker 2: Says like, here's a stick. If you wave this stick, I.
Speaker 1: Will eliminate the wild pick from North America, I would
Speaker 1: carry that stick around seriously consider waving it as a
Speaker 1: guy who likes the hut wild pigs.
Speaker 2: But people are.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, I we need to hunt wild pigs because
Speaker 1: they're over populated. Okay, So if that's the case, why
Speaker 1: they happy when they can't find a wild pick? But
Speaker 1: they get bummed. They're like, it was a terrible day
Speaker 1: we couldn't find a pick. But shouldn't you be glad
Speaker 1: because this isn't the goal that there aren't or not
Speaker 1: any around. So when I'm out wild picking on it,
Speaker 1: I'm always like hoping to run into a bunch, but
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be like, well, I kind of should
Speaker 1: be hoping to not to, right because I want them
Speaker 1: not be here. So if a guy really wants to
Speaker 1: have something be super difficult, so you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: use something that you know it doesn't work well. You're
Speaker 1: only gonna use dry flies. But then you're happy when
Speaker 1: it works well. So you're happy if you get a
Speaker 1: forty fish day, So what is it? Is it then
Speaker 1: not challenging? And then doesn't it cease to be what
Speaker 1: you wanted it to be, which is a challenging form
Speaker 1: of fishing.
Speaker 2: It just worked really great. You caught forty fish.
Speaker 1: You outfished the dude throwing map spinners, You outfish the
Speaker 1: dude throwing worms. So now you should throw it away
Speaker 1: and start fishing worms because your dry fly works better
Speaker 1: than that, and you want it to be challenging.
Speaker 8: Answer that, well, there, but you know the time that
Speaker 8: you get that day, you fish all year for a
Speaker 8: couple of days like that.
Speaker 4: It's like the gimme, you know, the gimme hunting when
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, walk ten feet from the trailerhead and
Speaker 4: there he was.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna not shoot.
Speaker 3: You don't go, you gotta shoot.
Speaker 4: That was too easy. I didn't like that, you go.
Speaker 4: I just spent twelve years, you know, swinging a fly
Speaker 4: waiting for this day. Just spent twelve years hiking up
Speaker 4: those mountains, and I'm definitely gonna take this. Gimme.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And I lived on a great drive fly fishing creek,
Speaker 8: gor Creek Inville, Colorado for a year and in our
Speaker 8: backyard door.
Speaker 2: Creek, Gore Creek. Never heard of that one.
Speaker 4: Exactly where is it?
Speaker 8: And how great great on good golden medal and after
Speaker 8: Lord Gore who just went through those mountains?
Speaker 1: And oh he hired Jim Bridger is a guy exactly.
Speaker 1: Jim Bridger got so sick of that guy shooting everything.
Speaker 1: Jim bridgerd quit him.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He killed grizzlies in places they're on't grizzlies within five
Speaker 1: hundred miles there. Now, he killed grizzly out by Glen Dive, Montana.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you out of that country.
Speaker 1: This dude had blood on his hands. He killed like
Speaker 1: he's like he had a little tally talking about a
Speaker 1: golf clicker. He's like two thousand bison, twelve hundred day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bridger got sick of him anyways, Gore Creek, Gore, Krag,
Speaker 1: your buddy Gore. Yeah, so I overread after It's like
Speaker 1: an incandescent light bulb burning ex there.
Speaker 8: And we noticed he had a great fishing hole, right
Speaker 8: and every day we'd just be in there pounding them,
Speaker 8: you know, they'd be in there rising, and we'd been
Speaker 8: there just getting after as much as we could. And
Speaker 8: eventually it was like, you know what, let's just sit
Speaker 8: here and have it beer and watch these fish eat
Speaker 8: like it's just as enjoyable. We don't need to catch
Speaker 8: these fish again. It's you know, it's still your same
Speaker 8: cutthroat buddy sitting in the same hole. And so you
Speaker 8: don't always have to have those forty fish days, even
Speaker 8: though the opportunity is there. You can catch a couple,
Speaker 8: maybe a dozen, and then just sit on the bank
Speaker 8: and enjoy yourself.
Speaker 2: We let's talk to Ken. He just had a forty
Speaker 2: fish day. How many steelhead did you catch?
Speaker 4: A lot?
Speaker 2: One hundred?
Speaker 7: Yeah, probably how many?
Speaker 1: You think you're dead right now, you know, exhaustion and
Speaker 1: then take thousands of pictures of Jimmy Houston, the man.
Speaker 3: Flop him of no, pretty gentle.
Speaker 1: How many days he's trying to He's trying to stun them.
Speaker 3: The whole with a nine weight too, So I could
Speaker 3: definitely get pretty aggressive once they got close. Like it
Speaker 3: wasn't like you know, some guys will go steal head
Speaker 3: fishing with a five weight, you know, and then that's
Speaker 3: when you really.
Speaker 1: That fish is dog tired by the dog.
Speaker 3: Tired because you know, you flip fish with the you know,
Speaker 3: five weight would say five x or four x. You
Speaker 3: have no way even when it gets close, think and
Speaker 3: keep running on.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I was on a nine went with two x, so
Speaker 3: even a bigger fish, if it got to the shallow water,
Speaker 3: I'd kind of Jimmy Houston, it close, get it loose,
Speaker 3: and get it out. But I have no idea, you know.
Speaker 3: The whole time we were there, we saw one fish
Speaker 3: floating down river upside down. It was still breathing. We
Speaker 3: turned it over. It had the out of postcun We
Speaker 3: grabbed it and that was one of the ones that
Speaker 3: we smoked. How many did you catch all together as
Speaker 3: a team, Like, out of the four of us, we
Speaker 3: probably caught I don't know. One hundred, two hundred fish.
Speaker 4: And how many day days was that?
Speaker 10: Five?
Speaker 3: Five days of fish, five days of fishing. Probably more
Speaker 3: than that. You know some guys, some guys fish more
Speaker 3: than others.
Speaker 4: That's awesome. You uh, you got you. You kind of
Speaker 4: got the the white whale too, you got.
Speaker 7: The everywhere I'm at, Hey, Dan, I.
Speaker 1: Just called my brother who's a fishing He's like, he
Speaker 1: works with fish. Can you take a picture? Can you
Speaker 1: tell me right now? We're recording something right now. So
Speaker 1: you're you're you're not live, but you're close to it.
Speaker 1: Why when you why do fish die when you if
Speaker 1: you overplay a fish? Just real quick? Is it like
Speaker 1: something do with lactic acid build up?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm guessing lack the gas it build up and
Speaker 10: probably oxygen that in the in the muscles.
Speaker 1: What have you ever heard any ideas about how many
Speaker 1: what percentage of steal head die after people catch him
Speaker 1: and let him go?
Speaker 10: Direct distrust studied on it and it's but it varies
Speaker 10: by uh, water temperature and fish sty versus fly and
Speaker 10: you know a number of them.
Speaker 1: So if I'm sitting with a guy who just caught
Speaker 1: a hundred steelhead, what do you think, how many do
Speaker 1: you think he just killed?
Speaker 10: Off the top of my head, Yeah, i'd say if.
Speaker 1: Thirty, whoa blood on your hands, I'm gonna let you go.
Speaker 1: I'll talk to that. That's I want to check it out.
Speaker 1: This dude's a fish biologist. He's an ichthyo so he
Speaker 1: does like ichthyology, but he does aquatic invertebrates at a
Speaker 1: for a university. He's full on PhD. Great school of
Speaker 1: minds kind of guy.
Speaker 4: Right, So you're saying he knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: He knows a lot about fish, but he likes to
Speaker 1: catch steehead let him go.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm. Who knows what?
Speaker 2: Can like?
Speaker 1: Sell smoke? Steal it on a bag truck next to
Speaker 1: the taco stage.
Speaker 3: I got plenty of bigger smoker. I could have got
Speaker 3: fired up.
Speaker 2: Now, Oh no, Helen, let me okay. As someone who's like,
Speaker 2: how many years you been.
Speaker 5: Fishing, maybe like seven eight seven night?
Speaker 1: What did you like?
Speaker 10: So?
Speaker 1: What was your feeling? Let's say you had cost some
Speaker 1: fish day and let them go.
Speaker 7: Would you have.
Speaker 2: Felt Yeah, let's say you caught a whole bunch and.
Speaker 7: Let him go.
Speaker 1: Would you felt bombed or would you felt like no,
Speaker 1: this was just its own experience. It really had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with It had nothing to do with catching
Speaker 1: fish to eat. It was just its own thing. We're
Speaker 1: enjoying a certain place, doing a certain thing that people
Speaker 1: have been doing it for a long time. I'm putting
Speaker 1: words of your mouth, but like, what was your like?
Speaker 1: How did you look?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think if I had hooked it, if I had
Speaker 6: gotten it and it died, I would have probably felt
Speaker 6: a little bad. Yeah, I mean for my entertainment that
Speaker 6: I'm going to go and fish, I don't know. But
Speaker 6: if I had released it, I think I wouldn't. I
Speaker 6: feel like it's a separate experience. Like fly fishing is
Speaker 6: so far and different than fishing for meat.
Speaker 1: To me, it's like why is it?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Like when I go fishing in New York, it's like
Speaker 6: I'm on a mission, you know. I want to go out,
Speaker 6: I want to have a good time, but ultimately I
Speaker 6: want to come home to fill my freezer.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I went fishing with Helen and her boyfriend one time,
Speaker 1: and they come out there with one condiments for eating
Speaker 1: raw fish, And they come out there with a wire
Speaker 1: that when when they kill a fish, they cut the
Speaker 1: fish's tail off and run the wire through the fish's spine,
Speaker 1: which does the fish well, if you ever been to
Speaker 1: a slaughterhouse and watch them slaughter cattle, they hit the
Speaker 1: cattle the captive bolt gun, then they cut its throat
Speaker 1: and then they electrocute it to relax as flesh.
Speaker 2: And when you run that wire through that.
Speaker 1: Fish's spine, he relaxes in a way that all the
Speaker 1: rocks in the world banged against his head are not
Speaker 1: going to do.
Speaker 8: What and.
Speaker 6: Wow, it's a Japanese process called I Got.
Speaker 7: It's like.
Speaker 1: Through a fish's backbone, insert in his tail, and that
Speaker 1: fish just melts. He's like, I give up.
Speaker 5: You can really taste the difference though, I'll.
Speaker 1: Tell you when I used to ice trap snap turtles,
Speaker 1: that is amazing.
Speaker 2: Ice trapped stamp turtles and sell them, and you'd cut
Speaker 2: the head off the.
Speaker 4: Turn you're snapping turtles.
Speaker 1: This I'm bringing this full circle. I bringing his back
Speaker 1: around a joke because hurry up, I want to get back.
Speaker 1: I'm detracted. But anyways, this is gonna enhance what Helen's
Speaker 1: going to talk more about. Is you chop a turtle's
Speaker 1: head off. You grab grabbed the channel lock pried his head,
Speaker 1: pull the head out, cut off of the axe, hang
Speaker 1: them up by the tail, and you'd have to wait
Speaker 1: six seven hours sometime before you could clean that turtle
Speaker 1: because she was clenched up and clawn right. I was
Speaker 1: down in Guyana hunting with amer Indians, so it's like
Speaker 1: you know, here we'll say like Native American Indians, South
Speaker 1: America's Amorendians were hunted with Amerindians. They caught a big
Speaker 1: river turtle. First thing they did was run. They just
Speaker 1: whittled a big long stick, ran it through that thing's backbone,
Speaker 1: and that thing was ready to eat and the meat
Speaker 1: was super tender. It wasn't flexed, and they cooked that
Speaker 1: turtle right in his own shell. And they did the
Speaker 1: same thing. And that's kind of like I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. But then the next time I saw that
Speaker 1: have was when you guys were doing that to Poorgy's.
Speaker 6: They put him in like an ice like a saltwater
Speaker 6: ice bath.
Speaker 2: But they do after you, after you destroy their spinal.
Speaker 6: Column and spike their brains, spiked their head like you
Speaker 6: take like a like a gaff and you know, basically
Speaker 6: spike it in its head, which it stunts it.
Speaker 1: Then you then you wi. Yeah, what's what's the discipline called?
Speaker 4: And how many steps J I M.
Speaker 5: I think it's like a three step process. John would
Speaker 5: be better.
Speaker 6: Spiked the head first, and then you cut the like
Speaker 6: towards the tail, but not not the end. It's like
Speaker 6: you have a little meat left and you kind of
Speaker 6: just fold it over and then you stick a like
Speaker 6: a like a shark wire or something.
Speaker 1: It cashed.
Speaker 5: After you do that, you basically run all the way
Speaker 5: to its head.
Speaker 4: I will catch a schnook at some point off that
Speaker 4: and yes, I will.
Speaker 5: Do this, and then you put it in an ice bat.
Speaker 4: I have to find some things to practice on.
Speaker 6: They did a chef blind test blind taste tests for this, right,
Speaker 6: and I could taste it. So we went out once
Speaker 6: and we had zip ties and we it was like
Speaker 6: it was like a science experiment we had like this
Speaker 6: one was just like the Montalk way where they just
Speaker 6: you know, take a like a bat and just like
Speaker 6: hit it in its head ice So we did it
Speaker 6: that way, then we did it you know way, then
Speaker 6: we did it like you know, all these different ways,
Speaker 6: and then we actually it wasn't even the same day.
Speaker 6: It was like twenty four hours or forty eight hours afterwards,
Speaker 6: and then the chef's you know, we put it onto
Speaker 6: plates and and they actually picked the ekj Ma one,
Speaker 6: which was incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that day we did that was funny.
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of times you'll see a bunch
Speaker 1: of sports, you know, on a guideboat, and you'll see
Speaker 1: where they're flaying the fish and you hear them all
Speaker 1: going like, oh no you go with Like the people
Speaker 1: are like, oh, you go ahead and take them. No, no,
Speaker 1: if you want them.
Speaker 2: You want to take them.
Speaker 1: You're like, dude, I guarantee you that in one year,
Speaker 1: all that fish is gonna be freezer burned and getting
Speaker 1: thrown in the garbage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we ate half our fish before we left.
Speaker 1: Man, that was fun. That was funk. Yeah.
Speaker 6: There's a YouTube video of a guy in like Japan
Speaker 6: doing it, but not your boyfriend. He there's a video somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he wrote about it, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he wrote it a piece about it for the
Speaker 6: food magazine Lucky Peach. So and it has broken down,
Speaker 6: so it's more than he definitely more than three steps.
Speaker 1: He's a good cook.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: New York City fish murder.
Speaker 4: Cool, Yeah, I mean you have thought the most fish
Speaker 4: blood on her hands?
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, what's the deal with Like with fly fishing,
Speaker 11: it seems like everyone's all about numbers instead of like
Speaker 11: because when we when we fish.
Speaker 6: In Long Island, it's like, oh, I got this like
Speaker 6: dormat you know, double digit fluke, you know, like the
Speaker 6: size and versus like I mean, like obviously you can
Speaker 6: all do a regulation so you can only keep a
Speaker 6: number of I'm not like I caught fifty porgies today.
Speaker 4: It's like one good fish. Like you'll go on like
Speaker 4: the Missouri or you know, the Yellowstone or something that
Speaker 4: has the potential to be like there's a big fish
Speaker 4: in there. People catch them all the time. Yeah, it
Speaker 4: hasn't been me, you know, And a lot of days
Speaker 4: like you're like, okay, I'm gonna throw like a big
Speaker 4: streamer or do something that I've told myself is the
Speaker 4: way to catch a big fish. And it's a one
Speaker 4: fish day or a zero fish day, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: And one of my I once wrote something about how
Speaker 1: I was like imagining the world, like if we could
Speaker 1: go back to the beginning of human existence and have
Speaker 1: all the same conditions and let everything run forward, again,
Speaker 1: just see what would happen, right. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of the things that happened would happen all over again.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 1: I think that we would probably a lot of people
Speaker 1: would develop sort of monogamous relationships. Okay, Like there's all
Speaker 1: these things of human behavior that I feel like if
Speaker 1: you just backed it up and let it go again,
Speaker 1: the same thing could happen.
Speaker 2: We would hunt, we.
Speaker 1: Would fish, right, we'd probably form government language would have
Speaker 1: happened again. I think there's a couple of things. Wearing
Speaker 1: your pants down around, blow your ass.
Speaker 2: Would not happen again. And I don't think catch release
Speaker 2: fly fishing would happen.
Speaker 1: Again, because I feel that like when people and I
Speaker 1: do it too, so I'll talk about me too. I
Speaker 1: think it's it's like you're it's like some wiring got
Speaker 1: crossed in your head where you feel that as a human.
Speaker 1: And I'm saying this about myself as a human, like
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be out extracting, Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be out hunting and fishing.
Speaker 1: Because for however long you want to define human history,
Speaker 1: you want to go back seventy five thousand years, fifty
Speaker 1: thousand years, there's always you know, everybody basically says some
Speaker 1: last one hundred thousand years whatever, anatomically modern humans, we've
Speaker 1: been doing these things, hunting, fishing, and I think people
Speaker 1: are kind of like but I'm a little civilized, like
Speaker 1: I'm not cool with the death, but I have to
Speaker 1: do the act, like I have to do it.
Speaker 4: You're doing it for pleasure at that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just don't see where it came from.
Speaker 1: It's like golf with which.
Speaker 4: Where did cave art come from?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Like part of it was I want to express myself.
Speaker 4: The other part of it is it's pretty brutal out there.
Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna waste some time in here, makes me,
Speaker 4: makes me pay. It's like it's it's a form of entertainment.
Speaker 2: Right, It somehow could be superfluous to survive.
Speaker 4: And you couldn't tell me that. These guys were like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I know I can catch a bunch of these things.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna kill all of them, even though I know
Speaker 4: I can't eat them, right. I mean, those people at
Speaker 4: the time be like, boy, there's a lot of you know,
Speaker 4: this fish in this area. This you know, rabbit population
Speaker 4: is really good here. I'm gonna take a couple and
Speaker 4: come back later. Right, So in a fishing scenario, they're
Speaker 4: catching fish in this spot, be like, boy, it's fun
Speaker 4: catching fish, right, catch him right.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to your own question. I think that
Speaker 3: human beings are just hardwired to do exactly that, Like
Speaker 3: you know, they're like getting it on. That's like hardwired
Speaker 3: in and so fishing correct, But it's it's the same
Speaker 3: kind of deal, just hardwired in. Like this is fun.
Speaker 3: Why it's fun? I have no idea, it's just it's fun.
Speaker 2: It's just fun.
Speaker 1: Also in a friend of mine is an evolutionary biologist,
Speaker 1: and uh, we were talking about that, like the benefit,
Speaker 1: like the evolutionary benefit of of sex being enjoyable is
Speaker 1: that people will continue to procreate outside of intent. You know,
Speaker 1: my wife's pregnant right now with the kid. We weren't
Speaker 1: exactly planning on.
Speaker 3: So you're preaching to the choir.
Speaker 1: So she was saying, like, I wonder and she doesn't hunt.
Speaker 1: We took her out spearfishing in the Behinda was a
Speaker 1: good spearfishing and after she's like, why is that fun?
Speaker 1: You know, she's like, I wonder if it's not fun,
Speaker 1: because it was like advantageous for it to seem fun
Speaker 1: to us. Then it would mean like even beyond desperation,
Speaker 1: that we'd be out there hammering it, like out there fishing,
Speaker 1: out there, honting like that.
Speaker 2: If you draw some kind of pleasure from it.
Speaker 1: It's not an onerous task, but you'd have it be
Speaker 1: the Yeah, I'm just out there, and even though I'm
Speaker 1: not absolutely out of food, I'm out there doing it
Speaker 1: anyway because it's just my it's what I enjoy doing. Like,
Speaker 1: there's possibly there is some huge adaptive advantage to us
Speaker 1: thinking it's fun to catch fish.
Speaker 3: It is huge because, for instance, if you didn't enjoy
Speaker 3: it that much, you wouldn't do it that much, and
Speaker 3: when it got truly difficult, you probably might not be
Speaker 3: that good at it. Whereas the guys that really enjoyed
Speaker 3: it almost to the point of, you know, overdoing it
Speaker 3: when things got really difficult, they were the only guys
Speaker 3: that were actually catching fish and the only guys that
Speaker 3: you know, we're eating enough to go pro create.
Speaker 2: Dude, if you wrote that, you would get it published
Speaker 2: in like science or Nature.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I like it.
Speaker 3: That's evolution.
Speaker 1: I always want to end this right now. I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's you want it up. I want to back it
Speaker 1: up and end it earlier and then steal that idea.
Speaker 2: So cut that out.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. We'll be right back and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say what Ken just said.
Speaker 3: You know, but that's that's how it works, right, the
Speaker 3: push comes to shove. If the guy is totally obsessed,
Speaker 3: he's going to be just a little better.
Speaker 6: So let's say one of he's obsessed and just like
Speaker 6: just completely horrible fishing.
Speaker 2: Already know that guy.
Speaker 1: There's no one I'm going to say his name, but
Speaker 1: I fish with him. I fish with them the most,
Speaker 1: Like the most obsessed fisherman I know is the worst fisherman.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 1: That's it's like a curse.
Speaker 3: All we can hope says he makes god awful love
Speaker 3: to the woman who doesn't like fishing, but if she did,
Speaker 3: would be extraordinary at it, and then you.
Speaker 2: Create this dude is the worst angler.
Speaker 1: And I feel a lot of times when people are
Speaker 1: bad hunting fishing, I feel that what they lack is
Speaker 1: kill her instinct, like what my brother would say, they
Speaker 1: lack girl the girl. It's like they like her and
Speaker 1: they don't have like what it tastes like.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill it.
Speaker 1: People, You're not gonna kill it. Like today, when I'm fishing,
Speaker 1: I'm not like, if I see a fish come up
Speaker 1: to grab ive, comes up to Papa dry fly, I don't.
Speaker 1: In the moment when it's happening, the moment when my
Speaker 1: mind's registering his presence, i'm lifting the rod, I'm not thinking,
Speaker 1: oh you, sweet fish, I love you. I'm more inclined
Speaker 1: to say, oh you. You know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like I have an antagon even though I love the
Speaker 1: essence of the thing. In that moment, I feel this
Speaker 1: is gonna come off weird. I feel a very distinct
Speaker 1: sport like hatred for that fish. If he doesn't grab
Speaker 1: my fly right, if I hook him, then I like
Speaker 1: him again. If he comes off, I don't like him.
Speaker 3: But if you go to set the hook and there
Speaker 3: and your line goes in a pile, expletives follow, and
Speaker 3: I hate.
Speaker 2: I hate the fish.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm like, I hope something bad have you
Speaker 1: and you projected and someone and someone does what's that word.
Speaker 2: Again to your spine?
Speaker 3: Is that I was just.
Speaker 1: Gonna do like ekg like like like echo kilo hell.
Speaker 4: Unto her credit, did not mutter, I think any expletives
Speaker 4: on the river today while.
Speaker 5: No I was very upset with myself, but.
Speaker 4: We were watching the little trout eat bugs next to
Speaker 4: her fly and I was the one being like, ye
Speaker 4: written hurt.
Speaker 3: But now that being said, so you're you're you're. You
Speaker 3: take an example of somebody that is doesn't have the gur.
Speaker 3: But I think that the girl in general can possibly
Speaker 3: be learned when it comes to hunting. I mean it
Speaker 3: acquired ger perhaps when you first go out with it,
Speaker 3: can you bottle it? I know when you first go
Speaker 3: out hunting with a bow, though, and you know, you
Speaker 3: get your first couple close counters with like a big bull,
Speaker 3: it's kind of I don't know, you're kind of sometimes
Speaker 3: like is this guy? It's can I shoot? You know
Speaker 3: what I mean? And then after all you get rattle,
Speaker 3: I think, and it makes you freaks you out. But
Speaker 3: then after a while, you know you I wouldn't say
Speaker 3: you hopefully you never get comfortable. That situation is always exciting,
Speaker 3: but it goes from kind of like Wow, this is
Speaker 3: great to like, how am I going to get a
Speaker 3: narrow in that out?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know that's the thing I've said a lot about, Uh,
Speaker 1: particularly bohunt. But when you pull back on an animal,
Speaker 1: you have to know that that thing's gonna die. Because
Speaker 1: if you're like I hope, I hope, I hope this
Speaker 1: doesn't you know what I mean, will happen. But the
Speaker 1: guy who could be like, I will now kill you. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: more like it's more that's more of a successful attitude
Speaker 1: than sort of being like, we let's see what happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed, agreed, And that's probably why you know, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, there's probably some synergy here between rifle versus
Speaker 3: arch bow and and uh spinning or bait fishing versus.
Speaker 6: I thought, you know, I don't know, no, tell no,
Speaker 6: I mean I've never I've personally never gone hunting, but
Speaker 6: I imagine fly fishing is like bow hunting, you know,
Speaker 6: versus like bait fishing or jigging or something.
Speaker 2: It's like, I want to edit the podcast.
Speaker 3: Here's the similarity, here's the similarity. And that with archery,
Speaker 3: you have got to practice a lot. Yeah, you got
Speaker 3: to practice, you know, and and the practice becomes enjoyable,
Speaker 3: like you know, leading up to the season, your practice
Speaker 3: every day for a few months at least, and it
Speaker 3: becomes part of your daily ritual. You enjoy the shooting
Speaker 3: of the bow, right, Whereas fly fishing, I think a
Speaker 3: lot of times, even if it flysh fishing is not
Speaker 3: that great, you kind of enjoy the actual act of casting,
Speaker 3: whereas I'm not sure if it's the same with you know,
Speaker 3: chuck and bait.
Speaker 1: No, and I'll tell you what we just got back
Speaker 1: from our place in Alaska. Bounce and a pound lead
Speaker 1: and two hundred and fifty feet of water for halib
Speaker 1: it right, And you don't enjoy that, right, It's not like,
Speaker 1: oh I love lifting this pound let up and bouncing
Speaker 1: on the bottom. But I'll tell you what you do,
Speaker 1: like all that thing goes. Yes, he's on there and
Speaker 1: he's smoking line out and you have no idea he's
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds or that sounds awesome, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's no finesse, there's no art.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: And to the largest thing I think that fly fishing,
Speaker 3: you know, you got to practice without even fishing generally speaking,
Speaker 3: for at least you know, a week or two.
Speaker 7: I want to.
Speaker 1: Interject to say though, that Rihanna's had My my four
Speaker 1: year old was fishing with us this morning. My four
Speaker 1: year old. What I mean, he looked the fish on
Speaker 1: this like the first time he ever laid his hand
Speaker 1: on the fly rod.
Speaker 4: Yeah, four year old.
Speaker 1: It took him a long time to catch fish on
Speaker 1: his on his coat spinning reel, even though he smokes.
Speaker 1: You know, that's actually this one I wanted to bring
Speaker 1: up because my little boy, all my little boy knows
Speaker 1: about like at home when we eat, well, we just
Speaker 1: eat game, you know, wild fish, wild game at home.
Speaker 1: So he's always every dight when we eat, we're talking
Speaker 1: about where it just came from. You know, Daddy killed
Speaker 1: this thing and here's what happened. He's always talking about
Speaker 1: the moose that ran daddy over, which Ryan Callens knows
Speaker 1: that moose.
Speaker 4: Well, we're all still eating on that moon.
Speaker 1: He always knows these stories. He always knows these stories,
Speaker 1: and he's never heard anyone because he's young enough or
Speaker 1: I know, what is his influences are, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: like he's not off with kids that I don't know,
Speaker 1: and you know, I know who he hangs out with.
Speaker 1: I take him fishing and he we're at my mom's
Speaker 1: the lake I grew up on, and we're on my
Speaker 1: mom's pond toon boat and he catches five bluegills. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's like making his own casts, reeling in like legit
Speaker 1: catches five blue gills. We go home and I scale
Speaker 1: the fish and when I'm flaying blue is I just
Speaker 1: cut their head off? Fir's just easier, you know, I
Speaker 1: get a cleaner flay. So I come in by their
Speaker 1: not packs, yeah, pectoral fins. No, no, no, that was
Speaker 1: to fin up by the right below the gill plate.
Speaker 7: I don't know. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: So it was a cut in there, cut the head off,
Speaker 1: and then I flam so as I go in and
Speaker 1: cut the heads off, and I got the heads of
Speaker 1: one pound the bodies in our pile, and he's up
Speaker 1: on a chair next to me helping. He was like
Speaker 1: legitimately honestly upset, and it came from an organic place,
Speaker 1: because this isn't something that's something like, No, I know
Speaker 1: that no one has said to him it's bad to
Speaker 1: kill fish. All he's ever heard is it is good
Speaker 1: to kill fish. As he was upset, and you could
Speaker 1: tell he thought he didn't he didn't articulate this way,
Speaker 1: but he looked at those fish.
Speaker 2: He told me, I don't like that you put their
Speaker 2: heads like that and their.
Speaker 1: Bodies like that. He didn't say it, but it was
Speaker 1: like it was disrespectful, and he said and he said
Speaker 1: this exactly. He expressed regret that we killed those fish
Speaker 1: and we should have put him back in the lake.
Speaker 4: So where did that come from?
Speaker 1: It came from somewhere. And I'm telling you what it's like.
Speaker 1: It's not he's not saying something that someone else.
Speaker 3: Well, I could have come from finding Nemo or something.
Speaker 1: He's never seen that movie.
Speaker 3: He didn't kill Nemo just then.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't that, man. I'll tell you. I'm sensitive
Speaker 1: that because, well, you know, I always called killer whales
Speaker 1: killer whales. You're supposed to come now like a lot
Speaker 1: of like soft. He's called him Orcus, but Orcs just
Speaker 1: some like it's like a Greek word that means whale.
Speaker 1: They used to call him whale killers. Because now you
Speaker 1: can't call him killer whales. I feel think it is
Speaker 1: a bad reputation. I always called killer whales. When name
Speaker 1: my kid comes back, he's like, you know, you got
Speaker 1: it all wrong. I was down at the Seattle Aquarium.
Speaker 2: It's an Orca.
Speaker 1: So now he always calls him Orcus. So he's cited
Speaker 1: to me where he heard contrary information. No one, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, no one has told that kid.
Speaker 4: Well they killed kid that you can't kill call it
Speaker 4: killer whale, killer whale, you know, and are re hurting
Speaker 4: the whales feelings? What do you mean give him a.
Speaker 1: Bad Apparently, I don't know. I have no idea what
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 4: They're like badasses?
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Orca just means whale. It's the stupidest thing
Speaker 1: in the world. But like some of my nearest dearest
Speaker 1: friends are like, oh, it's an orca. One day I
Speaker 1: was with these guys speaking all am, I getting way
Speaker 1: too firefield. Can I tell a quick story? Okay, I
Speaker 1: was working on a book about Buffalo, and everybody knows
Speaker 1: buffalo's a bison. So the American bison, the American buffalo.
Speaker 1: It's not actually a buffalo. Blah blah blah. People been
Speaker 1: calling them buffalo. Hell, what long have they been calling
Speaker 1: them bison?
Speaker 2: I've never said to someone in my life buffalo and
Speaker 2: had them be confused about what I was talking about.
Speaker 1: Okay, on this content anyways, I was with these guys
Speaker 1: when I was working on my book. I spent some
Speaker 1: time with these guys. Buffalo Field Campaign. Okay, so they're
Speaker 1: like are they're pretty radical environmentalists who have a certain
Speaker 1: vision for American buffalo American bison, and their group's called
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Field Campaigns. So their group uses the name
Speaker 1: that's not the scientific proper name for the species, which
Speaker 1: is bison. I'm standing with this guy outside of Yelston
Speaker 1: Park and Gardner, Montana, and.
Speaker 4: I see.
Speaker 7: An anelope.
Speaker 1: Okay, I go, hey, check out those antelope over there.
Speaker 1: It's actually prong Horney says to me. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: you you work for a group that calls something the
Speaker 1: wrong name. Drove me nuts, man, I can tell that
Speaker 1: bother you say antelope or prong horn.
Speaker 4: Just like everything under this prairie go speed goes, speed
Speaker 4: go prairie go. Yeah, prong horn antelope.
Speaker 1: I combine him.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I found I found myself doing like the weirdest thing.
Speaker 4: Like it's anelo capra American.
Speaker 1: I always say prong horn anilo.
Speaker 2: I was like why, I just say, what were we
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 1: Before I got off on that.
Speaker 4: Jimmy Oh that he had like a natural and I
Speaker 4: got to say, my experience with folks from Michigan who fish,
Speaker 4: this kid has like gone way off the reservation because
Speaker 4: all the Michiganers, I know, like they filled the freezer.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's the program.
Speaker 2: Well, he told me.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I gave him a not a stern talking to, but
Speaker 1: he told me this morning, he goes, I get it now.
Speaker 1: It's like I get it now. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what that means. But he's like, now, it's okay.
Speaker 1: But when he let that go today, he said, I'm
Speaker 1: quoting him. He said, there you go back in the wild.
Speaker 3: Okay, I gotta visit something. So you guys eat bass
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 1: Large mouth. I eat him as a political statement.
Speaker 3: What does it taste like? I tried to cook his
Speaker 3: bass one time in a bund And let me tell
Speaker 3: you all.
Speaker 1: My fishing mentor, who grew up about six houses down
Speaker 1: with me, was a man named John Gary. He fished
Speaker 1: so much and cast so many fishing he sold like
Speaker 1: a black market fish sales. He's dead now, and right
Speaker 1: before he died, I was over his house and he
Speaker 1: offered to sell me. He's like, I'll make a deal.
Speaker 1: I'll sell you my house, everything in it, down to
Speaker 1: my shoes, lake front property.
Speaker 2: Said I'll save this house for seventy five thousand dollars.
Speaker 7: You give me the money now.
Speaker 2: The only deal is I live here till I die,
Speaker 2: and when I die, you have everything down to my shoes.
Speaker 3: Why why do you want to keep your shoes after
Speaker 3: he dies?
Speaker 1: He's saying what he's saying that I would be buying
Speaker 1: everything he's ever owned, and you agree with.
Speaker 2: The He could get the money now and continue to
Speaker 2: live in his house till he died.
Speaker 1: And I didn't take him up on that deal. I
Speaker 1: should have ran down.
Speaker 7: To a bank.
Speaker 1: Anyways, heat a lot of bass, and large mouth bass,
Speaker 1: and he soaked him in milk and grilled him whoa
Speaker 1: whoa skin on.
Speaker 2: Took large mouths, soaked him in milk, grilled him, skin.
Speaker 4: Down, scale them.
Speaker 1: No, no, because what you would do then he'd put
Speaker 1: the fish on the grill, skin down, scales on. He'd
Speaker 1: cook it till it was till it got you know,
Speaker 1: they get loose in their skin. He then take the
Speaker 1: fish and flip it back over onto its skin so
Speaker 1: din't get stuck to the grill. Finished it like that,
Speaker 1: and he would eat them all the time like that.
Speaker 3: What it tastes like?
Speaker 2: Muddy fish?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: What is the milk thing?
Speaker 1: Because it helps the money. This I'm telling you it does. Man,
Speaker 1: how PEPSI challenge it any day of the week. I
Speaker 1: sell catfish and milk better than like salt water.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can't answer that question.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting thing that you brought up because a
Speaker 3: lot of the people that live by the ocean and
Speaker 3: fish in the rivers don't even keep any fish unless
Speaker 3: they catch him in the within like five miles, because
Speaker 3: the ocean fish are ten times better fish. That's what
Speaker 3: they say.
Speaker 1: They say, I don't even like, no, it's like, that's
Speaker 1: not even debatable.
Speaker 3: They taste it. They're like, they catch big forty pounds
Speaker 3: salmon going back. It's like, I don't even And if
Speaker 3: it's like more than two miles or whatever, you know,
Speaker 3: they're off the away out of the ocean. Forget it.
Speaker 1: Well, with salmon, it makes sense because when the salmon
Speaker 1: goes to enter, he's in the best shape he's ever
Speaker 1: gonna be in it for his entire life. Right when
Speaker 1: he leaves the ocean, when he's at the mouth, right
Speaker 1: if he's still actively feeding near river mouth, he's never
Speaker 1: gonna be in a better shape. He's got a higher
Speaker 1: fat content, he's ever gonna have the rest of his life.
Speaker 1: And the minute he enters that river, he's degraded. He's
Speaker 1: going downhill and it tastes like mud. They just get
Speaker 1: worse and worse they get, you know, the priests, and
Speaker 1: they got like fungus and lesions all over them. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but now I eat large mouth just as a political statement.
Speaker 1: Every time I kill large mouth and flat, I like
Speaker 1: to put it on social media, you know, because I
Speaker 1: know I'm not damaged. I'm not damaging a fishery when
Speaker 1: I when I thump a large mouth, it's not.
Speaker 6: But how often do you guys eat like trout or
Speaker 6: like I mean, because people are eating.
Speaker 1: I just a trout. I had a trout the day after.
Speaker 1: I had a rainbow the day after me. And it's
Speaker 1: here contracted trick and osis.
Speaker 3: You guys both got trick from bear.
Speaker 1: So anyways, we ate some trout and grayling. One of
Speaker 1: them was called on a flypole.
Speaker 4: A fly rod called.
Speaker 1: As a political statement, I called a flypole.
Speaker 5: Do I think the.
Speaker 6: Ideal thing would be to like, I mean, just because
Speaker 6: of my like water access to learn how to fly fish,
Speaker 6: but salt water, so then you can target like blueish
Speaker 6: stripe bass and stuff on the fly, because to me,
Speaker 6: it's like a progression, like as a fisher, you know,
Speaker 6: in whatever, it's like, Okay, you can bait fish, you
Speaker 6: can jake, you can do it. But it's like, what's
Speaker 6: the next step, you know, like the next challenge. It's
Speaker 6: like fly fishing is to me like much more challenging,
Speaker 6: you know, obviously because I'm the beginner.
Speaker 2: But let's man, you cannot make a statement like that.
Speaker 2: You no, Okay, go up to it.
Speaker 1: Go up and show me how easy it is to
Speaker 1: go mooch like a big, thirty forty pound king.
Speaker 5: I guess it's because I was so simple.
Speaker 2: You just well, I don't even know what you do.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's not it depends on the situation.
Speaker 4: You just put your bait over the side.
Speaker 1: Okay, to my mom my mom's dock. Go stand at
Speaker 1: my mom's dock with a beadhead pheasant tail when the
Speaker 1: bluegills around the beds, and tell me how tough it
Speaker 1: is the hook him on a fire rod.
Speaker 4: You can't keep them.
Speaker 5: I guess it defends.
Speaker 1: It depends on the situations.
Speaker 4: But those situations where you cannot keep them off, I
Speaker 4: change things up because I'm like, okay, I know I
Speaker 4: can catch them this way. Really, yeah, I do all
Speaker 4: and when we fish steel ahead, yeah, you know, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: I know for a fact today I can catch a
Speaker 4: fish this way. Yeah, but if they're that hungry to
Speaker 4: eat everything I threw in this way, I bet I
Speaker 4: can tie this on and catch a deep you know,
Speaker 4: catch a few fish.
Speaker 1: So when you're when you're like hammering ducks on a
Speaker 1: great day, I like the hunt ducks, do you ever
Speaker 1: start shooting left handed? No?
Speaker 7: No, I do not.
Speaker 2: Do you ever start like pouring out half the shot
Speaker 2: out of your shot shell and putting back.
Speaker 7: To each other shooting that?
Speaker 1: No? I do not, cuh, just curiously.
Speaker 4: But the thing I'm eating those two.
Speaker 3: You know, typically you would if you were hammering and
Speaker 3: switch to a twelve gauge instead of twenty, I mean
Speaker 3: a twenty instead of twelve.
Speaker 2: You would.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know anybody's ever done that in the history.
Speaker 7: Of my life.
Speaker 3: That's common out here.
Speaker 1: Perhaps you don't get out with the twelve and it's twenty.
Speaker 1: You'd be like if I start really knocking them.
Speaker 3: Down and the switching twenty, you're like, the hunting's been good.
Speaker 3: Its good. Last time I'm shooting with the twelve, I'm
Speaker 3: shooting with the twenty nine. There are some other reasons
Speaker 3: the twenty is significantly quieter.
Speaker 1: So probably because your head hurts from shooting your twelve.
Speaker 4: Hurts.
Speaker 8: So good? All right, Right, we watching a movie last
Speaker 8: night with a guy shooting ducks.
Speaker 1: With black power.
Speaker 2: That is respect Like, I respect that, right, but.
Speaker 8: Why is he doing that for the challenge?
Speaker 1: I respect that.
Speaker 4: It's fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's just like fun, say with this dude
Speaker 1: hunts ducks with So this is like last night, right.
Speaker 1: The Hunting film tour sponsored by first Light sponsored by
Speaker 1: as a fundraiser for back country hunters and anglers. I
Speaker 1: spoke there briefly a couple minutes. I had five minutes
Speaker 1: to explain to people why public land is important, why
Speaker 1: back country is important.
Speaker 4: Which is typically like five minutes subject.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I tried to cover as quickly as probably
Speaker 1: toold be six minutes to explain a little bit about
Speaker 1: why we need more of it around or not more.
Speaker 1: There's no way to get more. You don't get more
Speaker 1: of it. Why we need to hang on to what
Speaker 1: we have. And there was a film there about a
Speaker 1: dude who made a little wetland and we're shooting exposed
Speaker 1: hammer black powder at ducks. You're saying, if I could
Speaker 1: go out like a limit seven, if I can get
Speaker 1: two with this, it's better to me than getting seven
Speaker 1: with something else. I just thought, he don't like duck
Speaker 1: meat that much. Now I'll tell you the fly fisherman
Speaker 1: I'm going to respect. And again, I keep on it
Speaker 1: because there's two things. There's a guy out there's like
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys out there right now, super annoyed
Speaker 1: because they're probably the meat slains people on the planet
Speaker 1: who like fish fly rods, right, They probably fish strivers
Speaker 1: that fly rod thump every fish they get, eat them
Speaker 1: all day long. They don't think that there's this dichotomy
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, you fish with spin reel, so
Speaker 1: you must be a meat guy, and you fish with
Speaker 1: a fly rod, so you must not. Because there's a
Speaker 1: hell of a lot of guys a fish lardmouth bass
Speaker 1: with spinning tackle and never kill a fish ever. Right,
Speaker 1: So it's not like it's not a dichotomy. But I'm
Speaker 1: talking about general trends, particularly in the Western US anyway.
Speaker 1: So there's that I should clear up. I want to
Speaker 1: meet the guy and yanis alluded to this today. I
Speaker 1: want to meet the guy who not just cuts the
Speaker 1: barb off his hook, but cuts the whole hook off
Speaker 1: before the bend, because he's so peer of heart, so
Speaker 1: pure of mind that he just wants to see that
Speaker 1: fish come up and lip the thing.
Speaker 8: But we can make a phone call where we would
Speaker 8: not get a hold of Ted himself, but I can
Speaker 8: get a hold of probably the guide who guides Ted.
Speaker 1: I guess you don't mean Ted Nugent, no.
Speaker 8: Way cooler than Ted Nugent, But this dude's he could
Speaker 8: darn be close to ninety years old, and he's five
Speaker 8: fish to the Eagle River for you know, thirty years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and floats all the time.
Speaker 8: And yeah, on those good days when they're just like
Speaker 8: I was saying, every couple of minutes, you're getting a
Speaker 8: hit on the dry he catches a couple, kind of
Speaker 8: gets the tug out of the way, and then just
Speaker 8: starts clipping the hose.
Speaker 9: That right, because he just loves the He feels like
Speaker 9: it's getting in his way to fight net release and
Speaker 9: all that out of the fun he's getting out of
Speaker 9: casting and watching those fish eat that dry hell, and how.
Speaker 7: Long we've been going for.
Speaker 5: Our eight minutes?
Speaker 9: What them?
Speaker 1: Since I got you? Since I got the first light?
Speaker 7: Boys sitting right here?
Speaker 2: What's uh?
Speaker 1: What's cool on the horizon? Are you gonna make some
Speaker 1: Are you gonna make a coat that lures in bull out?
Speaker 4: We work on the sense in the office is you
Speaker 4: come in there and it just.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's terrific in that office.
Speaker 1: Know what's going on?
Speaker 4: So you got I do, I do really appreciate you, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, mentioning that we do try to keep it
Speaker 4: live person in the office.
Speaker 3: When's this gonna go on? When's this going to be
Speaker 3: on the rd?
Speaker 10: Know?
Speaker 7: Whenever I feel like it?
Speaker 3: Like how long a week?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Why does that matter? Just tell us
Speaker 1: what's happening?
Speaker 7: Cool?
Speaker 1: Oh because you got because your word? Okay, yeah you're safe.
Speaker 1: I mean what you tell me? At what point? Yeah
Speaker 1: you can yeah, tell me at what point?
Speaker 3: Two weeks?
Speaker 2: Okay, you're fine?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you know, we don't if it's something
Speaker 6: that you don't want us to release, you know, you
Speaker 6: won't do it.
Speaker 3: That's fine. We're just talking about you guys. Swimwear coming
Speaker 3: out with new our new camouflage pattern really yep.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: It was designed by a guy that uh, an ex
Speaker 3: army guy who was just super super into Camo and
Speaker 3: we started development maybe I don't know, well over a
Speaker 3: year ago and we've were coming out with a new
Speaker 3: cameo pattern that we've just for First Light.
Speaker 7: I'm excited to see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good idea though.
Speaker 4: Yeah it is.
Speaker 3: You know, we've really liked a lot of the existing
Speaker 3: cameo patterns and they certainly work great for certain environments,
Speaker 3: but we kind of wanted to take some of the
Speaker 3: technology of a few different patterns and kind of blend
Speaker 3: them into one and kind of make a cameo pattern
Speaker 3: that worked well in a bunch of different environments.
Speaker 2: Does it have a name?
Speaker 3: Fusion?
Speaker 7: Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah, First Light Fusion, And you're gonna make all of
Speaker 3: your stuff from that, yep. And it'll all be available
Speaker 3: here by the end of the year. Most of the
Speaker 3: basse layers and stuff shall be available in the next
Speaker 3: week or so.
Speaker 2: But no one's seen it.
Speaker 7: I have seen it.
Speaker 3: Nope, no one's seen it. No and seen it. We
Speaker 3: didn't have the shot show it was. It's just so
Speaker 3: difficult to get We have so many different fabrics now,
Speaker 3: we had no idea if we could even pull it
Speaker 3: off this year. So basically we just went forward with
Speaker 3: the program and said, if we can do it in
Speaker 3: time for hunting season, fine, if not, whatever. But you know,
Speaker 3: there's just all these different all the fabrics have to match.
Speaker 3: You know, you might buy one synthetic top from one
Speaker 3: one end of the country and another marino piece from
Speaker 3: another end of the country. You want to wear them together,
Speaker 3: so you gotta different Yeah, so you really got to
Speaker 3: struggle to get all those colors to match and everything.
Speaker 3: So it takes a long time. So once we got
Speaker 3: all our factories online, we told them, you know, let's go.
Speaker 3: When we were building it, so we're going to have
Speaker 3: stuff ready shortly.
Speaker 1: Now, Krav, if I'm wrong, you're the Was you the
Speaker 1: first person to ever put camouflage on renal wool? Yes, basically,
Speaker 1: which is not an easy thing to do.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it was me.
Speaker 2: We started with a box, yeah, exactly, melted and put
Speaker 2: them in the oven.
Speaker 3: Damn you no, we started we were all totally into hunting,
Speaker 3: and then we started wearing you know, we live in
Speaker 3: a ski town, so then kind of in the early
Speaker 3: two thousands, you know, Marino stuff kind of came into
Speaker 3: the ski and snowboarding and snowmobiling seemed pretty heavy, you know,
Speaker 3: and we started switching over to that.
Speaker 2: People started wearing it because they realized it didn't reak,
Speaker 2: It wasn't.
Speaker 3: They started comfort. They started, yeah, it didn't smell, and
Speaker 3: it's just way more comfortable, even when you do sweat.
Speaker 3: And then, you know, we were all super into archery,
Speaker 3: hunting and hunting in general, and it didn't take long
Speaker 3: to figure out that this would be way better than
Speaker 3: existing products for hunting. But at the time, nobody printed
Speaker 3: on marino. You know, people are like T shirt style,
Speaker 3: maybe like you know, they finished T shirt and they'd print,
Speaker 3: you know, something like cutesy on it, but not like
Speaker 3: large rolls just rolls out. So it took us about
Speaker 3: eighteen months to find a factory that could actually do it.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 3: We tried a couple of different things and it didn't
Speaker 3: feel or whatever. Then we found a guy that could
Speaker 3: do it and do it well, and that was the
Speaker 3: beginning of the company. The first year showed up with
Speaker 3: a shot show with literally like a Duffel bag and
Speaker 3: I had five pieces, you know, and that was it
Speaker 3: and just kind of hung them up and you know.
Speaker 2: Some weird dude.
Speaker 3: That was weird.
Speaker 4: It was it was I was wearing white with your
Speaker 4: like skater Levi.
Speaker 3: White boots, my hunting boots. You know, wore whites up
Speaker 3: until like eight years ago. There's just the most comfortable shoes.
Speaker 3: I'd used.
Speaker 7: Logging.
Speaker 3: That's what I used for logging, and that's what we
Speaker 3: used for you know, walking around. It wasn't until probably
Speaker 3: eight or seven or eight years ago that we kind
Speaker 3: of got into the more you know, technical stuff, but
Speaker 3: that's what we'd work in all day. So we figured
Speaker 3: out it's great for hunting. But the fact is it's
Speaker 3: kind of a different deal, you know. And once we
Speaker 3: switched over to you know, now use handbags, but you know,
Speaker 3: Solomon's or whatever, just having something lighter that. The thing
Speaker 3: with whites is that if you have to wear them
Speaker 3: every single day, you'd wear out a pair of Solomons and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, yeah, they're not they're not intending that
Speaker 1: you're actually just gonna wear them around on hard surfaces
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or even you know in the woods you destroy them,
Speaker 3: or a pair of whites you wear for whatever, you know,
Speaker 3: two years you set them out to get them resold
Speaker 3: and they're good to go.
Speaker 1: I keep a pair of keep for hunting. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: for not hunting, but I don't want my hunting boots
Speaker 1: to get screwed up walking on sidewalks.
Speaker 2: And stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: The toules the edges down and you can't cut in
Speaker 1: on hills, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, and going downhills. They still aren't as good
Speaker 3: as whites. But the fact is is that you know,
Speaker 3: our hunting season out here, it's only whatever ten weeks,
Speaker 3: So you'd rather have a pair of shoes that they
Speaker 3: don't have to glass that long. You just have to
Speaker 3: work really well and be really light and make it
Speaker 3: so you can carry a you know, eighty hundred pound
Speaker 3: pack down a hill, and all of a sudden, once
Speaker 3: you realize that it's it's nice, you know.
Speaker 8: I think for the listener, we should explain what whites
Speaker 8: are because I don't know what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just barely know the Spokane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not a Spokane America. May they're just like
Speaker 3: they're you know what, you see all the foest service
Speaker 3: guys wearing the logging guys.
Speaker 2: It was like to the untrained eye, it look like
Speaker 2: a lady boot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The heels got a big heel two inches, Yeah, pretty
Speaker 3: low pro Yeah, they're two inches. And then they've got
Speaker 3: just regular vibrum souls. But they can rebuild them for you.
Speaker 1: You know, you're sending like I used to have some
Speaker 1: whites pack boots, which just like real heavy. I used
Speaker 1: to use them climbing trees and the word times ice
Speaker 1: to do arborist work. Yeah, we get these winter contracts
Speaker 1: doing boulevard maples. I remember one year we did three
Speaker 1: hundred some boulevard maples and some days it's ten degrees
Speaker 1: below zero because this is cutting trees in Montana. And
Speaker 1: I would put tree spikes on over them because they're
Speaker 1: so rigid. But I always thought they're like kind of
Speaker 1: too rigid for hunting.
Speaker 3: You know, they were let's say break in, but that's
Speaker 3: you know, we that's before we'd spend all day in
Speaker 3: the woods. You know, we're in a logging business, to
Speaker 3: firewood and whatever. That was just what you'd wore. And
Speaker 3: then after a while, though, you know, you realize, wow,
Speaker 3: there's some way better off options there.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Especially it's because they don't have to last, like I said,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe a season or two seasons, Max, and
Speaker 3: you ready to buy a new pair, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to talking man about you know,
Speaker 1: just talking about wool, because you guys do such a
Speaker 1: nice job with the Marino wool stuff. Wolves had a
Speaker 1: weird history because my old man, like my old man
Speaker 1: started hunting after World War Two, so he started hunting.
Speaker 1: He got back from World War two nineteen forty five,
Speaker 1: got into hunting, he said. But at the time, like
Speaker 1: there wasn't that he didn't have like sporting goods like
Speaker 1: you have now, you know. He said, they used to
Speaker 1: they just hunting their clothes.
Speaker 2: They hunted their.
Speaker 1: Military surplus stuff. He said, for ten years. It's still
Speaker 1: the best stuff you could have.
Speaker 2: And he just spent two and a half years crawling
Speaker 2: around essentially.
Speaker 1: Camping out, you know, from all through Italy up into
Speaker 1: Europe in wool clothes and living in a fox whole camps.
Speaker 1: He said, they just hunted that stuff. And he told
Speaker 1: he tells a funny story where he used to just
Speaker 1: hunt with other vets, you know, and they were out
Speaker 1: one time in a field hunting. Everybody had their army
Speaker 1: surplus stuff on. I guess it wasn't surplus back then.
Speaker 1: Their army stuff back on, and some took a shot.
Speaker 1: He said, A couple of those guys off the field
Speaker 1: all hit the deck like it was like still like
Speaker 1: in their head. But he always hunted them wool. I mean,
Speaker 1: all the time I was growing up, my old man
Speaker 1: wore you know, it was like green wool. They're not surplus,
Speaker 1: but I don't remember who makes them, but it's like
Speaker 1: a field pant and you'd die hiking into your tree stand.
Speaker 1: You'd be like so sweaty.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 1: We used to like hiking and then put your pants
Speaker 1: on when you got there because they're so warm, this
Speaker 1: thick green wool. And my mom would buy bulk wool
Speaker 1: fabric and so close for me my brothers out of
Speaker 1: wool that we would hunt in.
Speaker 2: I wish I had saved him.
Speaker 1: We all had pants and a jacket that my mom
Speaker 1: made out of wool, and we stellup there hot in hell.
Speaker 1: And I remember, like when I was a little kid,
Speaker 1: they came out with that King of the Mountain wool
Speaker 1: clothes and getting that catalog and just dreaming over that
Speaker 1: trapper pull over. It was like a four hundred dollars
Speaker 1: washed the wool jackets. It seemed like it was like
Speaker 1: unfathom Moabe that you'd like have that kind of money
Speaker 1: to buy some sort of garment. And then Cabella's came
Speaker 1: mount with a washable wool. It was supposed to be
Speaker 1: like a knockoff a King of the Mountain, and they
Speaker 1: were half as much.
Speaker 2: I bought a pair of those pants and washed.
Speaker 1: Them and they were like spandex in my buddy, like
Speaker 1: they're be like, dude, what are those I'm like, listen, man,
Speaker 1: you're looking at a lot of money right now. I
Speaker 1: don't care what these things look like. I'm wearing them.
Speaker 1: And then now with like your guys stuff, like you
Speaker 1: honestly can put it in. It's like you washing the
Speaker 1: washing machine. Yeah, it's unbelievable, it is, but it's like
Speaker 1: still the best fabric and it grows on the back
Speaker 1: of sheet credit line for a bachelor.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know. I wasn't even aware of like whool.
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, I've been wearing Polypro since
Speaker 3: I was ten years old.
Speaker 1: When I started hunting the mountains. We look like dudes
Speaker 1: out of the RII catalog. Yeah, we wore mountain clothes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't have anything.
Speaker 2: Actually, meant for a hundred one because it was all
Speaker 2: too big.
Speaker 1: If you're like a skinny guy who runs around the
Speaker 1: mountains a lot, it's too big for you right then.
Speaker 1: And so we just wore like mountaineering clothes. We hunted
Speaker 1: a mountaineering clobes, exact thing we have like blue and
Speaker 1: red you I mean, like we'd like I'd like get
Speaker 1: ritt dye and try like die stuff.
Speaker 4: So it was a little duller, some Patadonia stuff, some
Speaker 4: a lot of Sims fleeces.
Speaker 1: Totally, man, totally, I would get it. I would go
Speaker 1: to good Wills. I have a lot of Moneys in school.
Speaker 1: I'd go to good Wills in rich towns. Like if
Speaker 1: you could hit a good Will in Jackson Hole, Wyoming,
Speaker 1: you know, or hit a good Will here, catch minta home,
Speaker 1: you would walk out like tricked out and amazing mountain apparel,
Speaker 1: ski apparel and stuff. And we hunt because it was
Speaker 1: like so great, not just you know, not people make
Speaker 1: stuff for like skinny dudes that like they're running around
Speaker 1: the mountains.
Speaker 4: Flip side is senior citizen centers. Don't overlook those because.
Speaker 2: You get they flag them.
Speaker 4: You get, uh, you know, old guy dress sweaters, that
Speaker 4: are one hundred percent lambs wool, and you can haggle
Speaker 4: those ladies down at the brother He still does old
Speaker 4: man sweaters about it.
Speaker 3: Were so yeah, that was it. Then that's you know
Speaker 3: the once everything kind of switched over from synthetics to wool,
Speaker 3: so did we and then you.
Speaker 2: Know everything meaning the smart people.
Speaker 1: I just you know, like people who don't like smelly clothes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people spend a lot of time outside, you know,
Speaker 3: like where to forge you to live at a place
Speaker 3: where everybody spends a lot of time outside, you know.
Speaker 7: So it's a fit town man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of what last night people fit most.
Speaker 1: So that's like a fit crowd, you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it would come out for something like that.
Speaker 1: I was kind of blown away, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this place is unique too, and that
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's it's as steep as it gets
Speaker 3: like most places in the mountains. You know, you could
Speaker 3: still kind of enjoy yourself walking up and down stuff
Speaker 3: out here. Everything's like thirty degrees minimum, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 3: I mean it's just so steep that you're not pretty fit.
Speaker 3: It's really it's just wouldn't be fun. You'd just be
Speaker 3: like this sucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan was showing his place he likes to hunt.
Speaker 1: You said, this is one place I can just tell
Speaker 1: people where I hunt because they're not.
Speaker 4: Going to walk that. It's the dream there right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might be walking along. You might be walking
Speaker 1: along and kick something and realize that it's Hemingway's cut
Speaker 1: up shotgun.
Speaker 2: Oh he brought a full circle.
Speaker 1: He brought the podcast.
Speaker 3: I'll bet you that there there's the welder right there,
Speaker 3: right right, walk about.
Speaker 2: He's down in the pool.
Speaker 1: Yeah he is.
Speaker 3: He sold those piece one piece off every now and then.
Speaker 2: Helen showed me a note.
Speaker 7: Just tell me what it is.
Speaker 6: Hell no, We're going to post the show notes on
Speaker 6: the mediator dot com. We'll post links to the ak
Speaker 6: G videos and.
Speaker 1: All of them say what that means?
Speaker 4: We just did a show. Helen's been taking notes.
Speaker 6: Youah, like links to videos stuff that people I want
Speaker 6: to check out the video and stuff about our podcast.
Speaker 1: Hell post podcast show.
Speaker 4: Okay, correct, wrong, we should talk about not forgetting in
Speaker 4: the woods.
Speaker 7: Okay, crazy my mouth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Helen, Helen used to be Helen used to be
Speaker 1: the most. I used to admire Helen's work ethic and
Speaker 1: I'm old enough to have sired Helen.
Speaker 2: If I at twelve, I could have sired you at
Speaker 2: twelve years ago. Yeah, actually I couldn't have to say it.
Speaker 1: So, Uh, Hell lost her phone day when she had
Speaker 1: to pee in the woods. It's so different for girls
Speaker 1: to have to go in the woods. I don't lose
Speaker 1: anything in the woods because I stay upright. My pockets
Speaker 1: stay oriented up right.
Speaker 2: For girls got an invert essentially invert and spill their
Speaker 2: pockets out.
Speaker 3: Did you find it?
Speaker 1: No, she's it's an hour away. She's got to go
Speaker 1: back and get the name.
Speaker 3: Why ay to call it?
Speaker 1: She's sitting here right now.
Speaker 7: How yeah? Mission?
Speaker 5: That one guy that was there?
Speaker 7: So what was talking about? Oh showed?
Speaker 1: Should you be listening to this podcast? And you're like, man,
Speaker 1: I wish I knew what they were talking about. You
Speaker 1: go to the media dot com and you will find
Speaker 1: show notes. You'll find like links the stuff that we're
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 7: Is that what you mean?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 7: Why don't you say that? Hell?
Speaker 2: And mister flight yesterday, mister flight lost your phone?
Speaker 1: Didn't catch it? Squad a rough?
Speaker 7: All right, you're honest.
Speaker 1: You tell us anything you want to close on.
Speaker 2: He's shaking his head.
Speaker 7: No, if you can't.
Speaker 4: Deep in thought there but no.
Speaker 7: Ryan Callahan closing thoughts.
Speaker 1: After I brought it full circle with that Hemmingway deal.
Speaker 1: I mean, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 4: There's nothing. You wrapped it up tight tight. We got
Speaker 4: some cooking to do tonight and starting to think about it.
Speaker 9: You know what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to talk about that real quick, real.
Speaker 4: Fast, amazing menu.
Speaker 1: So backcunchy hunt an Angler fundraiser night. I'm doing beaver
Speaker 1: con feet, which is where sor Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like I had some guy if be like, oh, no,
Speaker 2: you don't know what's been done.
Speaker 1: I just have a feeling that I'm the first guy
Speaker 1: in the face of the first guy to ever have
Speaker 1: made beaver confeet. He's like, you don't know everything's been done.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I don't know. That's why I said,
Speaker 1: I think I'm the first guy to ever make beaver confeet.
Speaker 4: Every tall peak around here has got a corzy yellow
Speaker 4: belly sitting on top of it, and you're never the
Speaker 4: first guy to make it up there.
Speaker 1: No, you know what, we were hunting, BC member, We're
Speaker 1: up on that crazy ridge and the wind was just howling.
Speaker 1: He looked down. Sure enough, thirty two caliber thirty two
Speaker 1: caliber Dominion.
Speaker 4: Did you look cartridge out?
Speaker 7: Yes, Canadian maker.
Speaker 9: Wow.
Speaker 1: I took a piece of I took a little bit
Speaker 1: of white out. I have a after on your per
Speaker 1: your suggestion. I made a medicine I didn't do a
Speaker 1: medicine bag. A did a medicine box.
Speaker 2: Cool, which is very centralized location to put all your
Speaker 2: weird stuff. So I took that cool.
Speaker 1: I took that thirty two Dominion casing and took white
Speaker 1: out and made just I did like artifacts in the museum.
Speaker 2: I did white out, and then I wrote the date location.
Speaker 7: I found it.
Speaker 1: And then I took my wife's uh nail, what do
Speaker 1: you call it? Lack nail lacker nail not polished, It
Speaker 1: wasn't colored turned if I know you don't talking about
Speaker 1: clear nail polish. And I went over So I did
Speaker 1: white out, then I wrote the date and location. Then
Speaker 1: I went over that with clear nail polish. Let it
Speaker 1: dry and throw my medicine box.
Speaker 4: Sweet, that's cool that you started.
Speaker 8: Did you start one.
Speaker 1: I've had on for a while, dude, I've got bores
Speaker 1: toss Indian arrowheads. Well, I have my shoe that fell
Speaker 1: out of.
Speaker 4: My head from that from that black bear. Do you
Speaker 4: sitting on my desk at home?
Speaker 1: I got packer bones in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, aka swizzle sticks.
Speaker 1: Swizzle sticks aka faculums, vaculum vacuum wrap. My raccoon vaculum
Speaker 1: off a twenty pound raccoon is as big as a
Speaker 1: black beard vaculum off a two hundred pound black badger.
Speaker 4: Buddy, you start skinning out a badger and you're like, you.
Speaker 1: Just can't get through it because all the vaculum I
Speaker 1: had to give up. All right, Joe, you already closed
Speaker 1: your thoughts. You lost your phone, and Joe likes her phone.
Speaker 7: Kent no nothing to close with, all right, Thanks for listening.
Speaker 7: Tune in for more. Take care, have a good day,