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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, this is the Meat Eater Podcast. We're

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Speaker 1: coming at you. I want to say we're coming at

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Speaker 1: you live from Ketchum, but we're not.

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Speaker 2: It's not live. We're coming at you.

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Speaker 1: Dead from ketchum Idaho. And before I get into the

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Speaker 1: main thing, Ketchum Idaho the way I always knew ketcham Iidaho.

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Speaker 1: anglers get together, and I always knew it, being like

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Speaker 1: we're Hemingway, Ernest Hemingway, the writer who wrote perhaps the

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Speaker 1: greatest fishing story of all time, The Old Man to

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Speaker 1: see you guys read that. Yes, he shot himself to

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Speaker 1: death here and right here in town, his graves here

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Speaker 1: in town. And I always knew that it was funny.

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Speaker 1: This book just came out called Hemingway's Guns, and it

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Speaker 1: was always rumored that Hemingway shot himself with with a

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Speaker 1: boss shotgun that he bought at Abercrombie and Fitch, which

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Speaker 1: is totally funny because now Abercrombie and Fish sells shirt

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Speaker 1: to say Abercrimey and Fitch on him. He used to

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Speaker 1: be able to buy guns there, so he's full. He

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Speaker 1: shot himself with the shotgun. And it turned out these

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Speaker 1: guys to this book reads and they called it Hemingway's Guns.

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Speaker 1: They did a bunch of research and they realized he

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Speaker 1: shot himself with a twelve gage shotgun that was a W. C.

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Speaker 2: Scott and Son.

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Speaker 1: After he kills himself, apparently like someone in his family,

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Speaker 1: whoever this welder is. His kid still runs a welding

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Speaker 1: shop as of a couple of years ago. The kid

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Speaker 1: pulls out a match box showing him some parts they

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Speaker 2: The guy looks at it.

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Speaker 1: He says, that's not a boss shotgun, you know, that's

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Speaker 1: a Scott and Son shotgun. And he apparently this shotgun

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Speaker 1: he like hundred ducks in Italy. Shot shooting competitions in

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Speaker 2: Off the shotgun. Favorite shotgun got a weird deal right

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Speaker 2: here and catch them. And Ryan Callahan, who's sitting right here.

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Speaker 1: Told me that whenever he runs of alcohol and he

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Speaker 3: It's right across the street.

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Speaker 1: When I asked him about this, he said, I can

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Speaker 2: Doesn't anyways graves and yesterday is sure.

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Speaker 1: Enough, we're standing there in town here. We're standing there

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Speaker 1: going to do his grave. We're standing there and two

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Speaker 1: dudes come up. They're like, excuse me, sir, would you

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Speaker 1: know what the cemetery is. I'm like, let me guess,

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, what are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 2: You just bad to steal?

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Speaker 1: It is because when they put someone told me, like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's only it's only okay if you're buying alcohol

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Speaker 1: Tell what you just did for the first time.

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Speaker 5: Today fly fishing. For the first time.

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Speaker 1: Helen Show went for fly fishing. It's as like today

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Speaker 1: we watched an otherwise honest person get corrupted because Helen

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Speaker 2: Helen fished in order like Helen went out to fish.

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Speaker 1: She used to go out to fish in order to

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Speaker 1: own weight when you cast. Yeah, but there's massive amounts

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Speaker 4: Yes, and that's something we covered today. Like I look

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Speaker 2: This is Ryan Callahan talking.

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Speaker 4: That's it, right, And there is just like you said,

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Speaker 4: there are massive amounts of opinion and chunks of like

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Speaker 4: it is a means to catch fish.

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Speaker 2: The fish you ever caught on a fly rod?

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Speaker 4: No, No, not at all.

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Speaker 2: And you guys catch the would you thump them in

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Speaker 1: So right, I'm gonna get real technical about fly fish.

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Speaker 1: Remember Ryan was sharing me today. We're talking about all

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Speaker 1: apparently not how one fly fishes, but they will run

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Speaker 1: This is a fish.

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Speaker 2: You say, what do you guys bobber fishing? Well, no,

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Speaker 2: it's a strike indicator.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it is with my four year you know,

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Speaker 1: my four year old uses it to indicate when he

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Speaker 3: You know, the funniest thing about that too, is that

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Speaker 3: they had all these different kinds of Now you're here,

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Speaker 3: you're here in Kent. Is it that all these different

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Speaker 3: kinds of bobbers for years? Right, they had these you know,

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Speaker 3: thrown the towel in. They use bobbers, real spring loaded bobber. Well,

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Speaker 3: it's a little bit lighter, so Castle, But it's.

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Speaker 4: Like you're referring to a thing.

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Speaker 3: Because it's the thing when it comes fishing. Yes, no,

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Speaker 3: I didn't use one, but I will use one. Heck,

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Speaker 3: I'm a fit. I like to catch fish. Man, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I use indicators all the time. But you just got

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Speaker 3: In all that, all of the above, but you know,

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Speaker 3: You know, they can get up to be huge. I mean,

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Speaker 1: You probably can't even thump those fish, right, you can't

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Speaker 3: And then if you have that's and so one guy

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Speaker 8: Es they do.

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Speaker 3: All men's nipples are out of post.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know, but it's extra ada post. It's like

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Speaker 4: So oddly enough, he didn't show that you didn't bring.

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Speaker 3: On there and it's I don't know, floppy it does.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to mark a hashy fish, just

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Speaker 3: I would have kept one or two. I was already

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Speaker 1: One thing, I kind of like today we fished this

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Speaker 1: Cutthroats on Earth thing you're just like generally seem to

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Speaker 2: Is there some mortality?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was tell me, so tell me the story

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Speaker 1: The guy is talking right now. The guy that's talking

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Speaker 1: Guide know from Colorado, guide Olk in Arizona, doing some

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Speaker 1: hooks and a box of crawlers.

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00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,920
Speaker 8: Well, as long as he is abiding by the rules.

441
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 8: In most places, it's too trout a day, you know.

442
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,640
Speaker 8: So if he catches his two and leaves they only

443
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,520
Speaker 8: killed two, and he probably he probably didn't poke too

444
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,520
Speaker 8: many others, you know, where we would poke fifty and

445
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 8: you know for losing you know, five to ten of

446
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,040
Speaker 8: those fish, a lot of dead fish.

447
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:53,960
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, whenever he goes by, that dude down the

448
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 1: bank like something do at the bank, four or five

449
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:57,880
Speaker 1: kids up and down the bank and diapers and he's

450
00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 1: out there drowning crawlers.

451
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:05,160
Speaker 4: Like I did a walking back the stringer that guy.

452
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,880
Speaker 1: I helped one stringers with the clicker wire class.

453
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 8: I helped the Division Widlife do a dead fish count

454
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,680
Speaker 8: once on the Eagle and we floated down. We didn't

455
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 8: really float, we like kind of crept skidded down the

456
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 8: Eagle River. Super low water, just going over rocks the

457
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,919
Speaker 8: whole way, warm water temperatures. I think we picked up

458
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 8: twenty four dead fish. You can just see him on

459
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 8: the bottom of the river, you know.

460
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 1: White bellies up, red spots on their lip when you

461
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 1: look at him just counting them.

462
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 8: No, we were taking them, you know, I want to

463
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,120
Speaker 8: say it's seventeen out of those fish. You could see

464
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 8: the handprint on them from where they were probably held

465
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 8: up for a picture. And you know, like you were

466
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 8: telling Jimmy today, well, your hands before you touch the trout,

467
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 8: and so many people don't know how to probably handle

468
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 8: a fish, and so then that metality ray goes even higher.

469
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about my little boy.

470
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,119
Speaker 1: I wanted him to let a cot go, and so

471
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 1: I was telling, you know, get your hands wept for

472
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 1: you slipped on your belly. I know, like I tell

473
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 1: you that, I remember the exact instant. The instance I

474
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 1: ever in my life is an instance or instant. I

475
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 1: think I I feel like I already screwed that up.

476
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 1: I think I know the exact instance in my life

477
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 1: when I heard the term catchule these fishing, like my

478
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: old man, I'm not even going to get into why

479
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 1: this was okay, but in my old man's eyes, like

480
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 1: like bass season began on whatever.

481
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 7: Day, okay in Michigan.

482
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: Let's say it was June one, and his so we

483
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 1: all thought it began on mid that midnight rather than

484
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 1: look at it began on June one. We talked about

485
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 1: like beginning like the thirty first at midnight, and he thought, well,

486
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: as long as it's starting up at midnight, which was

487
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,239
Speaker 1: tending the next day. We were allowed to fish that

488
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 1: day because we couldn't be up at midnight we had

489
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: to go to bed. So we were allowed to fish

490
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 1: and keep bass, but we wouldn't We couldn't cut him

491
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 1: until the next day when it was well into season.

492
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 1: So we had a live well. I grew up in

493
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 1: a lake and we had doc and we had a

494
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 1: live well that my dad made out of You know

495
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,479
Speaker 1: those you when you had a grocery store and they

496
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 1: have those bread racks, like the big rolling racks, the

497
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 1: plastic perforated shells, they have all the loads of bread

498
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 1: on them. He just took a bunch of those and

499
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: zip tied them together into a live well and put

500
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: styrofoam around it. And we could fish bass all day

501
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: and put bass into the live well, and then season

502
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: would start, so the next day we'd gel o fish

503
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: I live flame.

504
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you to do things.

505
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 1: I was trying to get and I was so I

506
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 1: was so little that I was still getting My parents

507
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: are still giving me baths. Okay, I remember that because

508
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,239
Speaker 1: I caught a big, huge bass two docks down on

509
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 1: Gary's dock and hauled that thing home and was trying

510
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: to get it into the live well and dropped it,

511
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: and I was devastated. And I was so young that

512
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 1: my parents would give me baths. So remember that night

513
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: I was getting a bath. My mom was giving me

514
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: a bath, and I was still so distraught about the

515
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 1: bass I lost that my old man came in and

516
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 1: told me some people fish just to let him go

517
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: as a way to try to make me feel better.

518
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: And I later got into it. I got into like

519
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 1: and steal it and like, I don't mean this is

520
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: gonna bring down the steel that if you like to catch canon,

521
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: because in the Great Lakes we have a steelhead, like

522
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 1: the Great Eggs are like an aquarium where he turns,

523
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: like all the fish that were in there are kind

524
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: of like either not there or they're hurting. But then

525
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: we have great it's a great fishery of imported fish.

526
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: So we have great.

527
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have all like almost all the Pacific salmon.

528
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: They tried to get Atlantics going. We have pinks, Coho, Shanook,

529
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: we got lake run browns like that.

530
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 2: There's tons of fish steelhead and we.

531
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: Used to count them and like for us, I remember

532
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: the best year I ever had my third year of college.

533
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: I think I landed forty four steelhead and I probably

534
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: thumped two of them.

535
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: I thump one of them when I.

536
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: Was dating this girl from Sarajevo because I wanted to

537
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: cook one for and I thump another one has some

538
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: other time. And we mostly just caught them just to

539
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: count them, you know, And you were bad ass. If

540
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: you could catch hundreds, you ahead and let them go.

541
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: And I would get where I look down on the

542
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: dudes doing it, and then I'm gonna quit talking mostly

543
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: after this. But so we got so into fly fishing

544
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: for steelhead, and then the steel that wasn't always good.

545
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: So then we got way interested in going to Mexico

546
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: and fish for bonefish. So then my brother and I

547
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: went down to Mexico to catch and release bonefish for

548
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: a month and we had fish bonefish all day and

549
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: let them go, and then in the evening we'd catch

550
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: other fish to eat. And I would, in my day

551
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: look more forward to going and trying to catch little

552
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: snappers and grunts and stuff out of the channels in

553
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: order to eat, because we just had a bag of rice,

554
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: a bag of dried rice, a bag of dried beans, water,

555
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: and we ate fish or we ate comic. So here

556
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: we are like, oh, we're not going to kill the

557
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: bonefish because some reason I can't explain. But we'll kill

558
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: all these other fish. We don't even know what the

559
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: hell they are. They're just fish, like, no idea what

560
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: this is? Like, Oh it looks like a edible fish.

561
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: We eat them and I eventually I just got dizzy

562
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: from all the like the.

563
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: What you know?

564
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: The why?

565
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 4: Why is this better than yes? And then I know something,

566
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 4: why is this we're saving?

567
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: I know some of the guys fish catch release and

568
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: they're like, well, I'm not going to kill these trow

569
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: I don't want to damage fishery, you know. Damn Well,

570
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: when they get done, they go to some restaurant order fish.

571
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 1: I don't know where it came from. It's like, what

572
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: about that fishery? Yeah, what's that fishery doing?

573
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 4: And we talked about this on the hunting side of

574
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 4: things all the time.

575
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: You know.

576
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 4: It's like I was hiking with the friend of mine's niece, uh,

577
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 4: taking her mushroom hunting. The spring came across an elk

578
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 4: calf and you ate it.

579
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: I bought it.

580
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 4: I landed it fairly, no, and she said, well, where's

581
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 4: the mall? But well, she's probably up in this meadow feeding.

582
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 4: We were kind of on the fringe of this big

583
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 4: meadow and she's, well, what's she would like, stay here

584
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 4: and help the calf. And I'm like, well, if the

585
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 4: bear comes by. He came by it, honestly, and she's like, whoa,

586
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 4: we should save it from the bear. It's like, well,

587
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 4: what makes the very or less valuable than that health calf?

588
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: You know, It's like and why is that up to

589
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 4: us to decide that?

590
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 7: Yeah?

591
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: Exactly?

592
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 4: The whole steelhead steelhead fly fishing is a great topic

593
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 4: because that's like to our very first conversation that we

594
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 4: made where it's like, this is how you fly fish.

595
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 4: But you look across the river at the guy with

596
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 4: the you know, single pin rod and he's running three

597
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 4: hundred yards of mono down the river on a slip

598
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 4: bobber and he's crushing fish. You're like, I bet I

599
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 4: can make this fly rod do that, yeah, and catch

600
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 4: more fish. And you know a lot of times I

601
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 4: call it like playing with house money, right, Like I'll

602
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 4: go out and I will nimp and run the bead, right.

603
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 4: And that's very controversial in fly fishing. We've talked about

604
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 4: that when we were up in BC.

605
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: Honestly, iad nymph.

606
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 4: No, you run a bead like you go to look

607
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 4: like an egg.

608
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: Yeah that's controversial. Yeah it's not honest.

609
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 4: It looks like it doesn't have an egg, or it

610
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 4: doesn't have a hook on it. Nobody tied it. It's artificial.

611
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 4: You take a toothpick, you jam it so it sits

612
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 4: above your hook.

613
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: So it's basically running a flasher. I don't really know

614
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: about it now. I remember you guys talk about this

615
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: when we were hunting a BC.

616
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's no different than what the guys back in

617
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 8: Michigan do with running like a sack of eggs with

618
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 8: like a hook a couple of inches.

619
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: Like a stinger hook.

620
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, same thing.

621
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: So you're saying that it's controversial in in I don't

622
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: want to say elite in like what's the best term

623
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: for like extreme, like the pure like okay, from the

624
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: purest fly fishing perspective.

625
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 4: I don't know it's.

626
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: Controversial to.

627
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 3: A traditionalist traditionalist.

628
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, traditionalist won't run a beat.

629
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 3: I mean a true A lot of these traditionalists don't

630
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 3: won't even they're just all about dry fly, like even

631
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 3: even if you're even nymphs.

632
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: They don't want to catch a fish on the wet fly.

633
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just kind of it's it's you know, look

634
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: down upon.

635
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 4: But you can swing a wet flag.

636
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 8: One of the best arguments I ever heard, and it's

637
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 8: one of the oldest arguments out there was the late

638
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 8: Great Lee.

639
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 4: Wolf who famous fishing run exactly.

640
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 8: And well, and he tied up the Royal Wolf, which

641
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 8: is still a fish catching machine.

642
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: But it doesn't it doesn't replicate anything.

643
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 4: No, it's.

644
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: A map spinner.

645
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 4: Yes, let me finish my story.

646
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 8: His deal was why he wasn't into fishing because I

647
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 8: think during his fishing career five fishermen started to basically

648
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 8: fish below the surface and then you started using sinking

649
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 8: tip lines and adding weight and whatnot.

650
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: And he was when this was like what.

651
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 8: I'd have to guess, it'd be fifties, sixties substantiated moving on.

652
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 8: But he felt like by by doing that, you weren't

653
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 8: given like the fish just a day off, a time

654
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 8: to reprieve.

655
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 4: Like he felt like you should catch them when.

656
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: They want to eat on the surface. It's like you

657
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: give him a break. Here's the thing though, like I'm

658
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: gonna try, I'm gonna try to make a parallel.

659
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: I'n warn you, right, now it's not gonna work.

660
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: Okay. People will say, oh I hunt wow, And I like,

661
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: I like to hunt wild pigs. Okay, so I'm guilty

662
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: this because I hate If I could wave a magic

663
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: wand and make wild pigs be gone, I kind of

664
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: I'd be very tempted to wave the magic wand because

665
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: of the because of the damage that wild pigs do.

666
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean they heard ground nesting birds. They cause a

667
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: lot of, you know, economic trouble for people, a lot

668
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: of ecological trouble. So if I could, if somebody, if

669
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: God came down from the skies and.

670
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: Says like, here's a stick. If you wave this stick, I.

671
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: Will eliminate the wild pick from North America, I would

672
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: carry that stick around seriously consider waving it as a

673
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: guy who likes the hut wild pigs.

674
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: But people are.

675
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: Like, oh, I we need to hunt wild pigs because

676
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: they're over populated. Okay, So if that's the case, why

677
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: they happy when they can't find a wild pick? But

678
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: they get bummed. They're like, it was a terrible day

679
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: we couldn't find a pick. But shouldn't you be glad

680
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: because this isn't the goal that there aren't or not

681
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: any around. So when I'm out wild picking on it,

682
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm always like hoping to run into a bunch, but

683
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be like, well, I kind of should

684
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: be hoping to not to, right because I want them

685
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: not be here. So if a guy really wants to

686
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: have something be super difficult, so you're gonna you're gonna

687
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: use something that you know it doesn't work well. You're

688
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: only gonna use dry flies. But then you're happy when

689
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: it works well. So you're happy if you get a

690
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: forty fish day, So what is it? Is it then

691
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: not challenging? And then doesn't it cease to be what

692
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: you wanted it to be, which is a challenging form

693
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: of fishing.

694
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: It just worked really great. You caught forty fish.

695
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: You outfished the dude throwing map spinners, You outfish the

696
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: dude throwing worms. So now you should throw it away

697
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: and start fishing worms because your dry fly works better

698
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: than that, and you want it to be challenging.

699
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 8: Answer that, well, there, but you know the time that

700
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 8: you get that day, you fish all year for a

701
00:30:58,800 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 8: couple of days like that.

702
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 4: It's like the gimme, you know, the gimme hunting when

703
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, walk ten feet from the trailerhead and

704
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 4: there he was.

705
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: You're not gonna not shoot.

706
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: You don't go, you gotta shoot.

707
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: That was too easy. I didn't like that, you go.

708
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 4: I just spent twelve years, you know, swinging a fly

709
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 4: waiting for this day. Just spent twelve years hiking up

710
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 4: those mountains, and I'm definitely gonna take this. Gimme.

711
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

712
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 8: And I lived on a great drive fly fishing creek,

713
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 8: gor Creek Inville, Colorado for a year and in our

714
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 8: backyard door.

715
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: Creek, Gore Creek. Never heard of that one.

716
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: Exactly where is it?

717
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 8: And how great great on good golden medal and after

718
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 8: Lord Gore who just went through those mountains?

719
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: And oh he hired Jim Bridger is a guy exactly.

720
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: Jim Bridger got so sick of that guy shooting everything.

721
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: Jim bridgerd quit him.

722
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

723
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: He killed grizzlies in places they're on't grizzlies within five

724
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: hundred miles there. Now, he killed grizzly out by Glen Dive, Montana.

725
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you out of that country.

726
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: This dude had blood on his hands. He killed like

727
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: he's like he had a little tally talking about a

728
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: golf clicker. He's like two thousand bison, twelve hundred day. Yeah,

729
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: Bridger got sick of him anyways, Gore Creek, Gore, Krag,

730
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: your buddy Gore. Yeah, so I overread after It's like

731
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: an incandescent light bulb burning ex there.

732
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 8: And we noticed he had a great fishing hole, right

733
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 8: and every day we'd just be in there pounding them,

734
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 8: you know, they'd be in there rising, and we'd been

735
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,239
Speaker 8: there just getting after as much as we could. And

736
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 8: eventually it was like, you know what, let's just sit

737
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 8: here and have it beer and watch these fish eat

738
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 8: like it's just as enjoyable. We don't need to catch

739
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 8: these fish again. It's you know, it's still your same

740
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 8: cutthroat buddy sitting in the same hole. And so you

741
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 8: don't always have to have those forty fish days, even

742
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 8: though the opportunity is there. You can catch a couple,

743
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 8: maybe a dozen, and then just sit on the bank

744
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 8: and enjoy yourself.

745
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: We let's talk to Ken. He just had a forty

746
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: fish day. How many steelhead did you catch?

747
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 4: A lot?

748
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: One hundred?

749
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, probably how many?

750
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: You think you're dead right now, you know, exhaustion and

751
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: then take thousands of pictures of Jimmy Houston, the man.

752
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: Flop him of no, pretty gentle.

753
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: How many days he's trying to He's trying to stun them.

754
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 3: The whole with a nine weight too, So I could

755
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: definitely get pretty aggressive once they got close. Like it

756
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: wasn't like you know, some guys will go steal head

757
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: fishing with a five weight, you know, and then that's

758
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: when you really.

759
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: That fish is dog tired by the dog.

760
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 3: Tired because you know, you flip fish with the you know,

761
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: five weight would say five x or four x. You

762
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: have no way even when it gets close, think and

763
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: keep running on.

764
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: You know.

765
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: I was on a nine went with two x, so

766
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: even a bigger fish, if it got to the shallow water,

767
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: I'd kind of Jimmy Houston, it close, get it loose,

768
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: and get it out. But I have no idea, you know.

769
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 3: The whole time we were there, we saw one fish

770
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: floating down river upside down. It was still breathing. We

771
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 3: turned it over. It had the out of postcun We

772
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: grabbed it and that was one of the ones that

773
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: we smoked. How many did you catch all together as

774
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: a team, Like, out of the four of us, we

775
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: probably caught I don't know. One hundred, two hundred fish.

776
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 4: And how many day days was that?

777
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 10: Five?

778
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: Five days of fish, five days of fishing. Probably more

779
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 3: than that. You know some guys, some guys fish more

780
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 3: than others.

781
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 4: That's awesome. You uh, you got you. You kind of

782
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 4: got the the white whale too, you got.

783
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 7: The everywhere I'm at, Hey, Dan, I.

784
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: Just called my brother who's a fishing He's like, he

785
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: works with fish. Can you take a picture? Can you

786
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: tell me right now? We're recording something right now. So

787
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: you're you're you're not live, but you're close to it.

788
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: Why when you why do fish die when you if

789
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: you overplay a fish? Just real quick? Is it like

790
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: something do with lactic acid build up?

791
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm guessing lack the gas it build up and

792
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 10: probably oxygen that in the in the muscles.

793
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: What have you ever heard any ideas about how many

794
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: what percentage of steal head die after people catch him

795
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: and let him go?

796
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 10: Direct distrust studied on it and it's but it varies

797
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 10: by uh, water temperature and fish sty versus fly and

798
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 10: you know a number of them.

799
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: So if I'm sitting with a guy who just caught

800
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: a hundred steelhead, what do you think, how many do

801
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: you think he just killed?

802
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 10: Off the top of my head, Yeah, i'd say if.

803
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: Thirty, whoa blood on your hands, I'm gonna let you go.

804
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: I'll talk to that. That's I want to check it out.

805
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: This dude's a fish biologist. He's an ichthyo so he

806
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: does like ichthyology, but he does aquatic invertebrates at a

807
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: for a university. He's full on PhD. Great school of

808
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: minds kind of guy.

809
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 4: Right, So you're saying he knows what he's talking about.

810
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: He knows a lot about fish, but he likes to

811
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: catch steehead let him go.

812
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm. Who knows what?

813
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: Can like?

814
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: Sell smoke? Steal it on a bag truck next to

815
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: the taco stage.

816
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 3: I got plenty of bigger smoker. I could have got

817
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 3: fired up.

818
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: Now, Oh no, Helen, let me okay. As someone who's like,

819
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: how many years you been.

820
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 5: Fishing, maybe like seven eight seven night?

821
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: What did you like?

822
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 10: So?

823
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: What was your feeling? Let's say you had cost some

824
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: fish day and let them go.

825
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 7: Would you have.

826
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: Felt Yeah, let's say you caught a whole bunch and.

827
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 7: Let him go.

828
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: Would you felt bombed or would you felt like no,

829
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: this was just its own experience. It really had nothing

830
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: to do with It had nothing to do with catching

831
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: fish to eat. It was just its own thing. We're

832
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: enjoying a certain place, doing a certain thing that people

833
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: have been doing it for a long time. I'm putting

834
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: words of your mouth, but like, what was your like?

835
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: How did you look?

836
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 5: I don't know.

837
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 6: I think if I had hooked it, if I had

838
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 6: gotten it and it died, I would have probably felt

839
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 6: a little bad. Yeah, I mean for my entertainment that

840
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 6: I'm going to go and fish, I don't know. But

841
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 6: if I had released it, I think I wouldn't. I

842
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 6: feel like it's a separate experience. Like fly fishing is

843
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 6: so far and different than fishing for meat.

844
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: To me, it's like why is it?

845
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 5: I don't know.

846
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 6: Like when I go fishing in New York, it's like

847
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 6: I'm on a mission, you know. I want to go out,

848
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 6: I want to have a good time, but ultimately I

849
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 6: want to come home to fill my freezer.

850
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 7: Yeah.

851
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: I went fishing with Helen and her boyfriend one time,

852
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 1: and they come out there with one condiments for eating

853
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: raw fish, And they come out there with a wire

854
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: that when when they kill a fish, they cut the

855
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: fish's tail off and run the wire through the fish's spine,

856
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: which does the fish well, if you ever been to

857
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: a slaughterhouse and watch them slaughter cattle, they hit the

858
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: cattle the captive bolt gun, then they cut its throat

859
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: and then they electrocute it to relax as flesh.

860
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: And when you run that wire through that.

861
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: Fish's spine, he relaxes in a way that all the

862
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: rocks in the world banged against his head are not

863
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: going to do.

864
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 8: What and.

865
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 6: Wow, it's a Japanese process called I Got.

866
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 7: It's like.

867
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: Through a fish's backbone, insert in his tail, and that

868
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: fish just melts. He's like, I give up.

869
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 5: You can really taste the difference though, I'll.

870
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: Tell you when I used to ice trap snap turtles,

871
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: that is amazing.

872
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: Ice trapped stamp turtles and sell them, and you'd cut

873
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: the head off the.

874
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 4: Turn you're snapping turtles.

875
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: This I'm bringing this full circle. I bringing his back

876
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: around a joke because hurry up, I want to get back.

877
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm detracted. But anyways, this is gonna enhance what Helen's

878
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: going to talk more about. Is you chop a turtle's

879
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: head off. You grab grabbed the channel lock pried his head,

880
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: pull the head out, cut off of the axe, hang

881
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: them up by the tail, and you'd have to wait

882
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: six seven hours sometime before you could clean that turtle

883
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: because she was clenched up and clawn right. I was

884
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: down in Guyana hunting with amer Indians, so it's like

885
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, here we'll say like Native American Indians, South

886
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: America's Amorendians were hunted with Amerindians. They caught a big

887
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: river turtle. First thing they did was run. They just

888
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: whittled a big long stick, ran it through that thing's backbone,

889
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: and that thing was ready to eat and the meat

890
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: was super tender. It wasn't flexed, and they cooked that

891
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: turtle right in his own shell. And they did the

892
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: same thing. And that's kind of like I was like, wow,

893
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: that's crazy. But then the next time I saw that

894
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: have was when you guys were doing that to Poorgy's.

895
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 6: They put him in like an ice like a saltwater

896
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 6: ice bath.

897
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: But they do after you, after you destroy their spinal.

898
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 6: Column and spike their brains, spiked their head like you

899
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 6: take like a like a gaff and you know, basically

900
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 6: spike it in its head, which it stunts it.

901
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: Then you then you wi. Yeah, what's what's the discipline called?

902
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 4: And how many steps J I M.

903
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 5: I think it's like a three step process. John would

904
00:39:59,160 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 5: be better.

905
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 6: Spiked the head first, and then you cut the like

906
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 6: towards the tail, but not not the end. It's like

907
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 6: you have a little meat left and you kind of

908
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 6: just fold it over and then you stick a like

909
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 6: a like a shark wire or something.

910
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: It cashed.

911
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 5: After you do that, you basically run all the way

912
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 5: to its head.

913
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 4: I will catch a schnook at some point off that

914
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 4: and yes, I will.

915
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 5: Do this, and then you put it in an ice bat.

916
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 4: I have to find some things to practice on.

917
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 6: They did a chef blind test blind taste tests for this, right,

918
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 6: and I could taste it. So we went out once

919
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 6: and we had zip ties and we it was like

920
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 6: it was like a science experiment we had like this

921
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 6: one was just like the Montalk way where they just

922
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 6: you know, take a like a bat and just like

923
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 6: hit it in its head ice So we did it

924
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 6: that way, then we did it you know way, then

925
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 6: we did it like you know, all these different ways,

926
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 6: and then we actually it wasn't even the same day.

927
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 6: It was like twenty four hours or forty eight hours afterwards,

928
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 6: and then the chef's you know, we put it onto

929
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 6: plates and and they actually picked the ekj Ma one,

930
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 6: which was incredible.

931
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that day we did that was funny.

932
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of times you'll see a bunch

933
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: of sports, you know, on a guideboat, and you'll see

934
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: where they're flaying the fish and you hear them all

935
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: going like, oh no you go with Like the people

936
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: are like, oh, you go ahead and take them. No, no,

937
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: if you want them.

938
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: You want to take them.

939
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: You're like, dude, I guarantee you that in one year,

940
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: all that fish is gonna be freezer burned and getting

941
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: thrown in the garbage.

942
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we ate half our fish before we left.

943
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: Man, that was fun. That was funk. Yeah.

944
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 6: There's a YouTube video of a guy in like Japan

945
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 6: doing it, but not your boyfriend. He there's a video somewhere.

946
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he wrote about it, right.

947
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, he wrote it a piece about it for the

948
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 6: food magazine Lucky Peach. So and it has broken down,

949
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 6: so it's more than he definitely more than three steps.

950
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: He's a good cook.

951
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 5: You know.

952
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: New York City fish murder.

953
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 4: Cool, Yeah, I mean you have thought the most fish

954
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 4: blood on her hands?

955
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, what's the deal with Like with fly fishing,

956
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 11: it seems like everyone's all about numbers instead of like

957
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 11: because when we when we fish.

958
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 6: In Long Island, it's like, oh, I got this like

959
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 6: dormat you know, double digit fluke, you know, like the

960
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 6: size and versus like I mean, like obviously you can

961
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 6: all do a regulation so you can only keep a

962
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 6: number of I'm not like I caught fifty porgies today.

963
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 4: It's like one good fish. Like you'll go on like

964
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 4: the Missouri or you know, the Yellowstone or something that

965
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 4: has the potential to be like there's a big fish

966
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 4: in there. People catch them all the time. Yeah, it

967
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 4: hasn't been me, you know, And a lot of days

968
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 4: like you're like, okay, I'm gonna throw like a big

969
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 4: streamer or do something that I've told myself is the

970
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 4: way to catch a big fish. And it's a one

971
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 4: fish day or a zero fish day, you know. Yeah, yeah,

972
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 4: you know.

973
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: And one of my I once wrote something about how

974
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: I was like imagining the world, like if we could

975
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: go back to the beginning of human existence and have

976
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: all the same conditions and let everything run forward, again,

977
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: just see what would happen, right. I think a lot

978
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: of the things that happened would happen all over again.

979
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 7: Okay.

980
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: I think that we would probably a lot of people

981
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: would develop sort of monogamous relationships. Okay, Like there's all

982
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: these things of human behavior that I feel like if

983
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: you just backed it up and let it go again,

984
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: the same thing could happen.

985
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: We would hunt, we.

986
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: Would fish, right, we'd probably form government language would have

987
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: happened again. I think there's a couple of things. Wearing

988
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: your pants down around, blow your ass.

989
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: Would not happen again. And I don't think catch release

990
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: fly fishing would happen.

991
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: Again, because I feel that like when people and I

992
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: do it too, so I'll talk about me too. I

993
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: think it's it's like you're it's like some wiring got

994
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: crossed in your head where you feel that as a human.

995
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: And I'm saying this about myself as a human, like

996
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be out extracting, Okay.

997
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be out hunting and fishing.

998
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: Because for however long you want to define human history,

999
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: you want to go back seventy five thousand years, fifty

1000
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: thousand years, there's always you know, everybody basically says some

1001
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: last one hundred thousand years whatever, anatomically modern humans, we've

1002
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: been doing these things, hunting, fishing, and I think people

1003
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: are kind of like but I'm a little civilized, like

1004
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm not cool with the death, but I have to

1005
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: do the act, like I have to do it.

1006
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 4: You're doing it for pleasure at that point.

1007
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just don't see where it came from.

1008
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: It's like golf with which.

1009
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 4: Where did cave art come from?

1010
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: Right?

1011
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 4: Like part of it was I want to express myself.

1012
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 4: The other part of it is it's pretty brutal out there.

1013
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 4: I'm probably gonna waste some time in here, makes me,

1014
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 4: makes me pay. It's like it's it's a form of entertainment.

1015
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: Right, It somehow could be superfluous to survive.

1016
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 4: And you couldn't tell me that. These guys were like, Okay,

1017
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 4: I know I can catch a bunch of these things.

1018
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 4: I'm gonna kill all of them, even though I know

1019
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 4: I can't eat them, right. I mean, those people at

1020
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 4: the time be like, boy, there's a lot of you know,

1021
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 4: this fish in this area. This you know, rabbit population

1022
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 4: is really good here. I'm gonna take a couple and

1023
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 4: come back later. Right, So in a fishing scenario, they're

1024
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 4: catching fish in this spot, be like, boy, it's fun

1025
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 4: catching fish, right, catch him right.

1026
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 3: I'm not going to your own question. I think that

1027
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: human beings are just hardwired to do exactly that, Like

1028
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 3: you know, they're like getting it on. That's like hardwired

1029
00:45:50,719 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: in and so fishing correct, But it's it's the same

1030
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 3: kind of deal, just hardwired in. Like this is fun.

1031
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 3: Why it's fun? I have no idea, it's just it's fun.

1032
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 2: It's just fun.

1033
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: Also in a friend of mine is an evolutionary biologist,

1034
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: and uh, we were talking about that, like the benefit,

1035
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: like the evolutionary benefit of of sex being enjoyable is

1036
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: that people will continue to procreate outside of intent. You know,

1037
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 1: my wife's pregnant right now with the kid. We weren't

1038
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: exactly planning on.

1039
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 3: So you're preaching to the choir.

1040
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: So she was saying, like, I wonder and she doesn't hunt.

1041
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: We took her out spearfishing in the Behinda was a

1042
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: good spearfishing and after she's like, why is that fun?

1043
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: You know, she's like, I wonder if it's not fun,

1044
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 1: because it was like advantageous for it to seem fun

1045
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: to us. Then it would mean like even beyond desperation,

1046
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: that we'd be out there hammering it, like out there fishing,

1047
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: out there, honting like that.

1048
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 2: If you draw some kind of pleasure from it.

1049
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: It's not an onerous task, but you'd have it be

1050
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: the Yeah, I'm just out there, and even though I'm

1051
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: not absolutely out of food, I'm out there doing it

1052
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: anyway because it's just my it's what I enjoy doing. Like,

1053
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: there's possibly there is some huge adaptive advantage to us

1054
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 1: thinking it's fun to catch fish.

1055
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 3: It is huge because, for instance, if you didn't enjoy

1056
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 3: it that much, you wouldn't do it that much, and

1057
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: when it got truly difficult, you probably might not be

1058
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 3: that good at it. Whereas the guys that really enjoyed

1059
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 3: it almost to the point of, you know, overdoing it

1060
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 3: when things got really difficult, they were the only guys

1061
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: that were actually catching fish and the only guys that

1062
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 3: you know, we're eating enough to go pro create.

1063
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: Dude, if you wrote that, you would get it published

1064
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: in like science or Nature.

1065
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure I like it.

1066
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: That's evolution.

1067
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: I always want to end this right now. I'm sure

1068
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: it's you want it up. I want to back it

1069
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: up and end it earlier and then steal that idea.

1070
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 2: So cut that out.

1071
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. We'll be right back and I'm

1072
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,439
Speaker 1: gonna say what Ken just said.

1073
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 3: You know, but that's that's how it works, right, the

1074
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 3: push comes to shove. If the guy is totally obsessed,

1075
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 3: he's going to be just a little better.

1076
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 6: So let's say one of he's obsessed and just like

1077
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 6: just completely horrible fishing.

1078
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 2: Already know that guy.

1079
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: There's no one I'm going to say his name, but

1080
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: I fish with him. I fish with them the most,

1081
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: Like the most obsessed fisherman I know is the worst fisherman.

1082
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 6: I know.

1083
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: That's it's like a curse.

1084
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 3: All we can hope says he makes god awful love

1085
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 3: to the woman who doesn't like fishing, but if she did,

1086
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 3: would be extraordinary at it, and then you.

1087
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 2: Create this dude is the worst angler.

1088
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: And I feel a lot of times when people are

1089
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: bad hunting fishing, I feel that what they lack is

1090
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: kill her instinct, like what my brother would say, they

1091
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: lack girl the girl. It's like they like her and

1092
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: they don't have like what it tastes like.

1093
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill it.

1094
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 1: People, You're not gonna kill it. Like today, when I'm fishing,

1095
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm not like, if I see a fish come up

1096
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: to grab ive, comes up to Papa dry fly, I don't.

1097
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: In the moment when it's happening, the moment when my

1098
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: mind's registering his presence, i'm lifting the rod, I'm not thinking,

1099
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: oh you, sweet fish, I love you. I'm more inclined

1100
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: to say, oh you. You know what I mean. It's

1101
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: like I have an antagon even though I love the

1102
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: essence of the thing. In that moment, I feel this

1103
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: is gonna come off weird. I feel a very distinct

1104
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: sport like hatred for that fish. If he doesn't grab

1105
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: my fly right, if I hook him, then I like

1106
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: him again. If he comes off, I don't like him.

1107
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: But if you go to set the hook and there

1108
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 3: and your line goes in a pile, expletives follow, and

1109
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 3: I hate.

1110
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 2: I hate the fish.

1111
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: It's like I'm like, I hope something bad have you

1112
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: and you projected and someone and someone does what's that word.

1113
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,959
Speaker 2: Again to your spine?

1114
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: Is that I was just.

1115
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: Gonna do like ekg like like like echo kilo hell.

1116
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 4: Unto her credit, did not mutter, I think any expletives

1117
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 4: on the river today while.

1118
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 5: No I was very upset with myself, but.

1119
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 4: We were watching the little trout eat bugs next to

1120
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 4: her fly and I was the one being like, ye

1121
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 4: written hurt.

1122
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 3: But now that being said, so you're you're you're. You

1123
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 3: take an example of somebody that is doesn't have the gur.

1124
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 3: But I think that the girl in general can possibly

1125
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 3: be learned when it comes to hunting. I mean it

1126
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: acquired ger perhaps when you first go out with it,

1127
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 3: can you bottle it? I know when you first go

1128
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: out hunting with a bow, though, and you know, you

1129
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 3: get your first couple close counters with like a big bull,

1130
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 3: it's kind of I don't know, you're kind of sometimes

1131
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 3: like is this guy? It's can I shoot? You know

1132
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: what I mean? And then after all you get rattle,

1133
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 3: I think, and it makes you freaks you out. But

1134
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: then after a while, you know you I wouldn't say

1135
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 3: you hopefully you never get comfortable. That situation is always exciting,

1136
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 3: but it goes from kind of like Wow, this is

1137
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: great to like, how am I going to get a

1138
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 3: narrow in that out?

1139
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1140
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: You know that's the thing I've said a lot about, Uh,

1141
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: particularly bohunt. But when you pull back on an animal,

1142
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: you have to know that that thing's gonna die. Because

1143
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: if you're like I hope, I hope, I hope this

1144
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: doesn't you know what I mean, will happen. But the

1145
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: guy who could be like, I will now kill you. Yeah, well,

1146
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: more like it's more that's more of a successful attitude

1147
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: than sort of being like, we let's see what happens.

1148
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed, agreed, And that's probably why you know, hey,

1149
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: you know, there's probably some synergy here between rifle versus

1150
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 3: arch bow and and uh spinning or bait fishing versus.

1151
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 6: I thought, you know, I don't know, no, tell no,

1152
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 6: I mean I've never I've personally never gone hunting, but

1153
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 6: I imagine fly fishing is like bow hunting, you know,

1154
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 6: versus like bait fishing or jigging or something.

1155
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: It's like, I want to edit the podcast.

1156
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: Here's the similarity, here's the similarity. And that with archery,

1157
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 3: you have got to practice a lot. Yeah, you got

1158
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 3: to practice, you know, and and the practice becomes enjoyable,

1159
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: like you know, leading up to the season, your practice

1160
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 3: every day for a few months at least, and it

1161
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 3: becomes part of your daily ritual. You enjoy the shooting

1162
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 3: of the bow, right, Whereas fly fishing, I think a

1163
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: lot of times, even if it flysh fishing is not

1164
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 3: that great, you kind of enjoy the actual act of casting,

1165
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 3: whereas I'm not sure if it's the same with you know,

1166
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: chuck and bait.

1167
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: No, and I'll tell you what we just got back

1168
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: from our place in Alaska. Bounce and a pound lead

1169
00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: and two hundred and fifty feet of water for halib

1170
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: it right, And you don't enjoy that, right, It's not like,

1171
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: oh I love lifting this pound let up and bouncing

1172
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: on the bottom. But I'll tell you what you do,

1173
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: like all that thing goes. Yes, he's on there and

1174
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: he's smoking line out and you have no idea he's

1175
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds or that sounds awesome, you know what

1176
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm telling you.

1177
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's no finesse, there's no art.

1178
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 7: You know.

1179
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: And to the largest thing I think that fly fishing,

1180
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 3: you know, you got to practice without even fishing generally speaking,

1181
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 3: for at least you know, a week or two.

1182
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 7: I want to.

1183
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: Interject to say though, that Rihanna's had My my four

1184
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: year old was fishing with us this morning. My four

1185
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: year old. What I mean, he looked the fish on

1186
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: this like the first time he ever laid his hand

1187
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: on the fly rod.

1188
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, four year old.

1189
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: It took him a long time to catch fish on

1190
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 1: his on his coat spinning reel, even though he smokes.

1191
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: You know, that's actually this one I wanted to bring

1192
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: up because my little boy, all my little boy knows

1193
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: about like at home when we eat, well, we just

1194
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: eat game, you know, wild fish, wild game at home.

1195
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: So he's always every dight when we eat, we're talking

1196
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: about where it just came from. You know, Daddy killed

1197
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: this thing and here's what happened. He's always talking about

1198
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: the moose that ran daddy over, which Ryan Callens knows

1199
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: that moose.

1200
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 4: Well, we're all still eating on that moon.

1201
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: He always knows these stories. He always knows these stories,

1202
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: and he's never heard anyone because he's young enough or

1203
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: I know, what is his influences are, you know, I mean,

1204
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: like he's not off with kids that I don't know,

1205
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: and you know, I know who he hangs out with.

1206
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: I take him fishing and he we're at my mom's

1207
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: the lake I grew up on, and we're on my

1208
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: mom's pond toon boat and he catches five bluegills. I mean,

1209
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: he's like making his own casts, reeling in like legit

1210
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 1: catches five blue gills. We go home and I scale

1211
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: the fish and when I'm flaying blue is I just

1212
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: cut their head off? Fir's just easier, you know, I

1213
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: get a cleaner flay. So I come in by their

1214
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: not packs, yeah, pectoral fins. No, no, no, that was

1215
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: to fin up by the right below the gill plate.

1216
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 7: I don't know. I can't remember.

1217
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: So it was a cut in there, cut the head off,

1218
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: and then I flam so as I go in and

1219
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: cut the heads off, and I got the heads of

1220
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: one pound the bodies in our pile, and he's up

1221
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: on a chair next to me helping. He was like

1222
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: legitimately honestly upset, and it came from an organic place,

1223
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: because this isn't something that's something like, No, I know

1224
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: that no one has said to him it's bad to

1225
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: kill fish. All he's ever heard is it is good

1226
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: to kill fish. As he was upset, and you could

1227
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: tell he thought he didn't he didn't articulate this way,

1228
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: but he looked at those fish.

1229
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: He told me, I don't like that you put their

1230
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 2: heads like that and their.

1231
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: Bodies like that. He didn't say it, but it was

1232
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: like it was disrespectful, and he said and he said

1233
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: this exactly. He expressed regret that we killed those fish

1234
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: and we should have put him back in the lake.

1235
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 4: So where did that come from?

1236
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: It came from somewhere. And I'm telling you what it's like.

1237
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: It's not he's not saying something that someone else.

1238
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 3: Well, I could have come from finding Nemo or something.

1239
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 1: He's never seen that movie.

1240
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 3: He didn't kill Nemo just then.

1241
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't that, man. I'll tell you. I'm sensitive

1242
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: that because, well, you know, I always called killer whales

1243
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: killer whales. You're supposed to come now like a lot

1244
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: of like soft. He's called him Orcus, but Orcs just

1245
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: some like it's like a Greek word that means whale.

1246
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: They used to call him whale killers. Because now you

1247
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: can't call him killer whales. I feel think it is

1248
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: a bad reputation. I always called killer whales. When name

1249
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: my kid comes back, he's like, you know, you got

1250
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: it all wrong. I was down at the Seattle Aquarium.

1251
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: It's an Orca.

1252
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 1: So now he always calls him Orcus. So he's cited

1253
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: to me where he heard contrary information. No one, I'm

1254
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: telling you, no one has told that kid.

1255
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 4: Well they killed kid that you can't kill call it

1256
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 4: killer whale, killer whale, you know, and are re hurting

1257
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 4: the whales feelings? What do you mean give him a.

1258
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: Bad Apparently, I don't know. I have no idea what

1259
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: I think.

1260
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 4: They're like badasses?

1261
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Orca just means whale. It's the stupidest thing

1262
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: in the world. But like some of my nearest dearest

1263
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: friends are like, oh, it's an orca. One day I

1264
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: was with these guys speaking all am, I getting way

1265
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: too firefield. Can I tell a quick story? Okay, I

1266
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: was working on a book about Buffalo, and everybody knows

1267
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 1: buffalo's a bison. So the American bison, the American buffalo.

1268
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: It's not actually a buffalo. Blah blah blah. People been

1269
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: calling them buffalo. Hell, what long have they been calling

1270
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: them bison?

1271
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: I've never said to someone in my life buffalo and

1272
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: had them be confused about what I was talking about.

1273
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: Okay, on this content anyways, I was with these guys

1274
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: when I was working on my book. I spent some

1275
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 1: time with these guys. Buffalo Field Campaign. Okay, so they're

1276
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: like are they're pretty radical environmentalists who have a certain

1277
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: vision for American buffalo American bison, and their group's called

1278
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Field Campaigns. So their group uses the name

1279
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: that's not the scientific proper name for the species, which

1280
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: is bison. I'm standing with this guy outside of Yelston

1281
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: Park and Gardner, Montana, and.

1282
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 4: I see.

1283
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 7: An anelope.

1284
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: Okay, I go, hey, check out those antelope over there.

1285
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: It's actually prong Horney says to me. I'm like, dude,

1286
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: you you work for a group that calls something the

1287
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: wrong name. Drove me nuts, man, I can tell that

1288
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: bother you say antelope or prong horn.

1289
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 4: Just like everything under this prairie go speed goes, speed

1290
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 4: go prairie go. Yeah, prong horn antelope.

1291
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: I combine him.

1292
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: Now.

1293
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: I found I found myself doing like the weirdest thing.

1294
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 4: Like it's anelo capra American.

1295
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: I always say prong horn anilo.

1296
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: I was like why, I just say, what were we

1297
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 2: talking about?

1298
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: Before I got off on that.

1299
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 4: Jimmy Oh that he had like a natural and I

1300
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 4: got to say, my experience with folks from Michigan who fish,

1301
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 4: this kid has like gone way off the reservation because

1302
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 4: all the Michiganers, I know, like they filled the freezer.

1303
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's the program.

1304
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: Well, he told me.

1305
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 3: Now.

1306
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: I gave him a not a stern talking to, but

1307
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: he told me this morning, he goes, I get it now.

1308
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: It's like I get it now. You know, I don't

1309
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: know what that means. But he's like, now, it's okay.

1310
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: But when he let that go today, he said, I'm

1311
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: quoting him. He said, there you go back in the wild.

1312
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 3: Okay, I gotta visit something. So you guys eat bass

1313
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 3: out there.

1314
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: Large mouth. I eat him as a political statement.

1315
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 3: What does it taste like? I tried to cook his

1316
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 3: bass one time in a bund And let me tell

1317
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 3: you all.

1318
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: My fishing mentor, who grew up about six houses down

1319
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: with me, was a man named John Gary. He fished

1320
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: so much and cast so many fishing he sold like

1321
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: a black market fish sales. He's dead now, and right

1322
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: before he died, I was over his house and he

1323
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: offered to sell me. He's like, I'll make a deal.

1324
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: I'll sell you my house, everything in it, down to

1325
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: my shoes, lake front property.

1326
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 2: Said I'll save this house for seventy five thousand dollars.

1327
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 7: You give me the money now.

1328
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 2: The only deal is I live here till I die,

1329
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: and when I die, you have everything down to my shoes.

1330
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 3: Why why do you want to keep your shoes after

1331
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 3: he dies?

1332
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: He's saying what he's saying that I would be buying

1333
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: everything he's ever owned, and you agree with.

1334
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 2: The He could get the money now and continue to

1335
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: live in his house till he died.

1336
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: And I didn't take him up on that deal. I

1337
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:05,479
Speaker 1: should have ran down.

1338
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 7: To a bank.

1339
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: Anyways, heat a lot of bass, and large mouth bass,

1340
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: and he soaked him in milk and grilled him whoa

1341
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: whoa skin on.

1342
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 2: Took large mouths, soaked him in milk, grilled him, skin.

1343
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 4: Down, scale them.

1344
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,919
Speaker 1: No, no, because what you would do then he'd put

1345
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: the fish on the grill, skin down, scales on. He'd

1346
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: cook it till it was till it got you know,

1347
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: they get loose in their skin. He then take the

1348
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: fish and flip it back over onto its skin so

1349
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: din't get stuck to the grill. Finished it like that,

1350
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: and he would eat them all the time like that.

1351
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 3: What it tastes like?

1352
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: Muddy fish?

1353
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1354
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 4: What is the milk thing?

1355
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: Because it helps the money. This I'm telling you it does. Man,

1356
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: how PEPSI challenge it any day of the week. I

1357
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: sell catfish and milk better than like salt water.

1358
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1359
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: I can't answer that question.

1360
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 3: It's an interesting thing that you brought up because a

1361
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 3: lot of the people that live by the ocean and

1362
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 3: fish in the rivers don't even keep any fish unless

1363
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 3: they catch him in the within like five miles, because

1364
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 3: the ocean fish are ten times better fish. That's what

1365
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 3: they say.

1366
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: They say, I don't even like, no, it's like, that's

1367
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: not even debatable.

1368
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 3: They taste it. They're like, they catch big forty pounds

1369
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 3: salmon going back. It's like, I don't even And if

1370
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 3: it's like more than two miles or whatever, you know,

1371
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 3: they're off the away out of the ocean. Forget it.

1372
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: Well, with salmon, it makes sense because when the salmon

1373
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: goes to enter, he's in the best shape he's ever

1374
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: gonna be in it for his entire life. Right when

1375
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: he leaves the ocean, when he's at the mouth, right

1376
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: if he's still actively feeding near river mouth, he's never

1377
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: gonna be in a better shape. He's got a higher

1378
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: fat content, he's ever gonna have the rest of his life.

1379
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: And the minute he enters that river, he's degraded. He's

1380
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: going downhill and it tastes like mud. They just get

1381
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: worse and worse they get, you know, the priests, and

1382
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: they got like fungus and lesions all over them. But yeah,

1383
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: but now I eat large mouth just as a political statement.

1384
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: Every time I kill large mouth and flat, I like

1385
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: to put it on social media, you know, because I

1386
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: know I'm not damaged. I'm not damaging a fishery when

1387
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: I when I thump a large mouth, it's not.

1388
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 6: But how often do you guys eat like trout or

1389
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 6: like I mean, because people are eating.

1390
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: I just a trout. I had a trout the day after.

1391
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: I had a rainbow the day after me. And it's

1392
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: here contracted trick and osis.

1393
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 3: You guys both got trick from bear.

1394
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: So anyways, we ate some trout and grayling. One of

1395
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: them was called on a flypole.

1396
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 4: A fly rod called.

1397
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: As a political statement, I called a flypole.

1398
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 5: Do I think the.

1399
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 6: Ideal thing would be to like, I mean, just because

1400
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 6: of my like water access to learn how to fly fish,

1401
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 6: but salt water, so then you can target like blueish

1402
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 6: stripe bass and stuff on the fly, because to me,

1403
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 6: it's like a progression, like as a fisher, you know,

1404
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 6: in whatever, it's like, Okay, you can bait fish, you

1405
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 6: can jake, you can do it. But it's like, what's

1406
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 6: the next step, you know, like the next challenge. It's

1407
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 6: like fly fishing is to me like much more challenging,

1408
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 6: you know, obviously because I'm the beginner.

1409
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 2: But let's man, you cannot make a statement like that.

1410
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 2: You no, Okay, go up to it.

1411
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: Go up and show me how easy it is to

1412
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: go mooch like a big, thirty forty pound king.

1413
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 5: I guess it's because I was so simple.

1414
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 2: You just well, I don't even know what you do.

1415
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 2: It's like, it's not it depends on the situation.

1416
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 4: You just put your bait over the side.

1417
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: Okay, to my mom my mom's dock. Go stand at

1418
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: my mom's dock with a beadhead pheasant tail when the

1419
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: bluegills around the beds, and tell me how tough it

1420
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: is the hook him on a fire rod.

1421
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 4: You can't keep them.

1422
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 5: I guess it defends.

1423
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: It depends on the situations.

1424
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 4: But those situations where you cannot keep them off, I

1425
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 4: change things up because I'm like, okay, I know I

1426
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 4: can catch them this way. Really, yeah, I do all

1427
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 4: and when we fish steel ahead, yeah, you know, I'm like, okay,

1428
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 4: I know for a fact today I can catch a

1429
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 4: fish this way. Yeah, but if they're that hungry to

1430
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 4: eat everything I threw in this way, I bet I

1431
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 4: can tie this on and catch a deep you know,

1432
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 4: catch a few fish.

1433
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: So when you're when you're like hammering ducks on a

1434
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: great day, I like the hunt ducks, do you ever

1435
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: start shooting left handed? No?

1436
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 7: No, I do not.

1437
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,479
Speaker 2: Do you ever start like pouring out half the shot

1438
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 2: out of your shot shell and putting back.

1439
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 7: To each other shooting that?

1440
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: No? I do not, cuh, just curiously.

1441
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 4: But the thing I'm eating those two.

1442
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 3: You know, typically you would if you were hammering and

1443
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 3: switch to a twelve gauge instead of twenty, I mean

1444
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 3: a twenty instead of twelve.

1445
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 2: You would.

1446
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know anybody's ever done that in the history.

1447
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 7: Of my life.

1448
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 3: That's common out here.

1449
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: Perhaps you don't get out with the twelve and it's twenty.

1450
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,479
Speaker 1: You'd be like if I start really knocking them.

1451
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 3: Down and the switching twenty, you're like, the hunting's been good.

1452
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 3: Its good. Last time I'm shooting with the twelve, I'm

1453
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 3: shooting with the twenty nine. There are some other reasons

1454
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 3: the twenty is significantly quieter.

1455
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: So probably because your head hurts from shooting your twelve.

1456
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 4: Hurts.

1457
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,919
Speaker 8: So good? All right, Right, we watching a movie last

1458
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 8: night with a guy shooting ducks.

1459
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: With black power.

1460
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 2: That is respect Like, I respect that, right, but.

1461
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 8: Why is he doing that for the challenge?

1462
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: I respect that.

1463
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 4: It's fun.

1464
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's just like fun, say with this dude

1465
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: hunts ducks with So this is like last night, right.

1466
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: The Hunting film tour sponsored by first Light sponsored by

1467
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: as a fundraiser for back country hunters and anglers. I

1468
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: spoke there briefly a couple minutes. I had five minutes

1469
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: to explain to people why public land is important, why

1470
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: back country is important.

1471
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 4: Which is typically like five minutes subject.

1472
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I tried to cover as quickly as probably

1473
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: toold be six minutes to explain a little bit about

1474
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: why we need more of it around or not more.

1475
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: There's no way to get more. You don't get more

1476
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: of it. Why we need to hang on to what

1477
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: we have. And there was a film there about a

1478
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: dude who made a little wetland and we're shooting exposed

1479
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: hammer black powder at ducks. You're saying, if I could

1480
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: go out like a limit seven, if I can get

1481
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: two with this, it's better to me than getting seven

1482
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: with something else. I just thought, he don't like duck

1483
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: meat that much. Now I'll tell you the fly fisherman

1484
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to respect. And again, I keep on it

1485
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: because there's two things. There's a guy out there's like

1486
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys out there right now, super annoyed

1487
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: because they're probably the meat slains people on the planet

1488
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: who like fish fly rods, right, They probably fish strivers

1489
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: that fly rod thump every fish they get, eat them

1490
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: all day long. They don't think that there's this dichotomy

1491
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, you fish with spin reel, so

1492
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: you must be a meat guy, and you fish with

1493
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: a fly rod, so you must not. Because there's a

1494
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: hell of a lot of guys a fish lardmouth bass

1495
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: with spinning tackle and never kill a fish ever. Right,

1496
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: So it's not like it's not a dichotomy. But I'm

1497
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: talking about general trends, particularly in the Western US anyway.

1498
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: So there's that I should clear up. I want to

1499
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: meet the guy and yanis alluded to this today. I

1500
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: want to meet the guy who not just cuts the

1501
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: barb off his hook, but cuts the whole hook off

1502
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: before the bend, because he's so peer of heart, so

1503
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: pure of mind that he just wants to see that

1504
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: fish come up and lip the thing.

1505
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 8: But we can make a phone call where we would

1506
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 8: not get a hold of Ted himself, but I can

1507
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 8: get a hold of probably the guide who guides Ted.

1508
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: I guess you don't mean Ted Nugent, no.

1509
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 8: Way cooler than Ted Nugent, But this dude's he could

1510
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,439
Speaker 8: darn be close to ninety years old, and he's five

1511
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 8: fish to the Eagle River for you know, thirty years.

1512
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and floats all the time.

1513
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 8: And yeah, on those good days when they're just like

1514
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 8: I was saying, every couple of minutes, you're getting a

1515
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 8: hit on the dry he catches a couple, kind of

1516
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 8: gets the tug out of the way, and then just

1517
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 8: starts clipping the hose.

1518
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 9: That right, because he just loves the He feels like

1519
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 9: it's getting in his way to fight net release and

1520
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 9: all that out of the fun he's getting out of

1521
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 9: casting and watching those fish eat that dry hell, and how.

1522
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 7: Long we've been going for.

1523
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 5: Our eight minutes?

1524
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 9: What them?

1525
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: Since I got you? Since I got the first light?

1526
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 7: Boys sitting right here?

1527
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 2: What's uh?

1528
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: What's cool on the horizon? Are you gonna make some

1529
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: Are you gonna make a coat that lures in bull out?

1530
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 4: We work on the sense in the office is you

1531
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 4: come in there and it just.

1532
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's terrific in that office.

1533
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: Know what's going on?

1534
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 4: So you got I do, I do really appreciate you, uh,

1535
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 4: you know, mentioning that we do try to keep it

1536
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:29,759
Speaker 4: live person in the office.

1537
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 3: When's this gonna go on? When's this going to be

1538
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 3: on the rd?

1539
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 10: Know?

1540
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 7: Whenever I feel like it?

1541
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 3: Like how long a week?

1542
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, Why does that matter? Just tell us

1543
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 1: what's happening?

1544
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 7: Cool?

1545
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 1: Oh because you got because your word? Okay, yeah you're safe.

1546
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: I mean what you tell me? At what point? Yeah

1547
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: you can yeah, tell me at what point?

1548
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 3: Two weeks?

1549
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 2: Okay, you're fine?

1550
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you know, we don't if it's something

1551
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 6: that you don't want us to release, you know, you

1552
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 6: won't do it.

1553
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 3: That's fine. We're just talking about you guys. Swimwear coming

1554
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 3: out with new our new camouflage pattern really yep.

1555
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 4: Yep.

1556
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 3: It was designed by a guy that uh, an ex

1557
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 3: army guy who was just super super into Camo and

1558
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 3: we started development maybe I don't know, well over a

1559
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 3: year ago and we've were coming out with a new

1560
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 3: cameo pattern that we've just for First Light.

1561
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 7: I'm excited to see it.

1562
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good idea though.

1563
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 4: Yeah it is.

1564
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,799
Speaker 3: You know, we've really liked a lot of the existing

1565
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 3: cameo patterns and they certainly work great for certain environments,

1566
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 3: but we kind of wanted to take some of the

1567
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 3: technology of a few different patterns and kind of blend

1568
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 3: them into one and kind of make a cameo pattern

1569
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 3: that worked well in a bunch of different environments.

1570
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 2: Does it have a name?

1571
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 3: Fusion?

1572
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 7: Really?

1573
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, First Light Fusion, And you're gonna make all of

1574
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 3: your stuff from that, yep. And it'll all be available

1575
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 3: here by the end of the year. Most of the

1576
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 3: basse layers and stuff shall be available in the next

1577
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 3: week or so.

1578
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 2: But no one's seen it.

1579
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 7: I have seen it.

1580
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 3: Nope, no one's seen it. No and seen it. We

1581
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 3: didn't have the shot show it was. It's just so

1582
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 3: difficult to get We have so many different fabrics now,

1583
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 3: we had no idea if we could even pull it

1584
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 3: off this year. So basically we just went forward with

1585
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 3: the program and said, if we can do it in

1586
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 3: time for hunting season, fine, if not, whatever. But you know,

1587
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 3: there's just all these different all the fabrics have to match.

1588
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 3: You know, you might buy one synthetic top from one

1589
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 3: one end of the country and another marino piece from

1590
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 3: another end of the country. You want to wear them together,

1591
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 3: so you gotta different Yeah, so you really got to

1592
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,839
Speaker 3: struggle to get all those colors to match and everything.

1593
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 3: So it takes a long time. So once we got

1594
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 3: all our factories online, we told them, you know, let's go.

1595
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 3: When we were building it, so we're going to have

1596
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 3: stuff ready shortly.

1597
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: Now, Krav, if I'm wrong, you're the Was you the

1598
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: first person to ever put camouflage on renal wool? Yes, basically,

1599
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: which is not an easy thing to do.

1600
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it was me.

1601
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 2: We started with a box, yeah, exactly, melted and put

1602
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 2: them in the oven.

1603
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 3: Damn you no, we started we were all totally into hunting,

1604
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 3: and then we started wearing you know, we live in

1605
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 3: a ski town, so then kind of in the early

1606
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 3: two thousands, you know, Marino stuff kind of came into

1607
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 3: the ski and snowboarding and snowmobiling seemed pretty heavy, you know,

1608
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 3: and we started switching over to that.

1609
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 2: People started wearing it because they realized it didn't reak,

1610
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 2: It wasn't.

1611
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 3: They started comfort. They started, yeah, it didn't smell, and

1612
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 3: it's just way more comfortable, even when you do sweat.

1613
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 3: And then, you know, we were all super into archery,

1614
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 3: hunting and hunting in general, and it didn't take long

1615
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 3: to figure out that this would be way better than

1616
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 3: existing products for hunting. But at the time, nobody printed

1617
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 3: on marino. You know, people are like T shirt style,

1618
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 3: maybe like you know, they finished T shirt and they'd print,

1619
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 3: you know, something like cutesy on it, but not like

1620
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 3: large rolls just rolls out. So it took us about

1621
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 3: eighteen months to find a factory that could actually do it.

1622
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 9: You know.

1623
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 3: We tried a couple of different things and it didn't

1624
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 3: feel or whatever. Then we found a guy that could

1625
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 3: do it and do it well, and that was the

1626
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 3: beginning of the company. The first year showed up with

1627
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 3: a shot show with literally like a Duffel bag and

1628
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 3: I had five pieces, you know, and that was it

1629
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 3: and just kind of hung them up and you know.

1630
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 2: Some weird dude.

1631
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 3: That was weird.

1632
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 4: It was it was I was wearing white with your

1633
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 4: like skater Levi.

1634
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 3: White boots, my hunting boots. You know, wore whites up

1635
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 3: until like eight years ago. There's just the most comfortable shoes.

1636
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 3: I'd used.

1637
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 7: Logging.

1638
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 3: That's what I used for logging, and that's what we

1639
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 3: used for you know, walking around. It wasn't until probably

1640
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 3: eight or seven or eight years ago that we kind

1641
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 3: of got into the more you know, technical stuff, but

1642
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 3: that's what we'd work in all day. So we figured

1643
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 3: out it's great for hunting. But the fact is it's

1644
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 3: kind of a different deal, you know. And once we

1645
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 3: switched over to you know, now use handbags, but you know,

1646
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 3: Solomon's or whatever, just having something lighter that. The thing

1647
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 3: with whites is that if you have to wear them

1648
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 3: every single day, you'd wear out a pair of Solomons and.

1649
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, yeah, they're not they're not intending that

1650
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: you're actually just gonna wear them around on hard surfaces

1651
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: all the time.

1652
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, or even you know in the woods you destroy them,

1653
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 3: or a pair of whites you wear for whatever, you know,

1654
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 3: two years you set them out to get them resold

1655
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 3: and they're good to go.

1656
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: I keep a pair of keep for hunting. Yeah, I

1657
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: for not hunting, but I don't want my hunting boots

1658
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: to get screwed up walking on sidewalks.

1659
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 2: And stuff like that.

1660
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it makes sense.

1661
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: The toules the edges down and you can't cut in

1662
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: on hills, you.

1663
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, and going downhills. They still aren't as good

1664
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 3: as whites. But the fact is is that you know,

1665
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 3: our hunting season out here, it's only whatever ten weeks,

1666
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 3: So you'd rather have a pair of shoes that they

1667
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 3: don't have to glass that long. You just have to

1668
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 3: work really well and be really light and make it

1669
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 3: so you can carry a you know, eighty hundred pound

1670
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 3: pack down a hill, and all of a sudden, once

1671
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 3: you realize that it's it's nice, you know.

1672
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,839
Speaker 8: I think for the listener, we should explain what whites

1673
01:13:58,880 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 8: are because I don't know what.

1674
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:01,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just barely know the Spokane.

1675
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not a Spokane America. May they're just like

1676
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 3: they're you know what, you see all the foest service

1677
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 3: guys wearing the logging guys.

1678
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 2: It was like to the untrained eye, it look like

1679
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 2: a lady boot.

1680
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1681
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 3: The heels got a big heel two inches, Yeah, pretty

1682
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 3: low pro Yeah, they're two inches. And then they've got

1683
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 3: just regular vibrum souls. But they can rebuild them for you.

1684
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: You know, you're sending like I used to have some

1685
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: whites pack boots, which just like real heavy. I used

1686
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: to use them climbing trees and the word times ice

1687
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: to do arborist work. Yeah, we get these winter contracts

1688
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 1: doing boulevard maples. I remember one year we did three

1689
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 1: hundred some boulevard maples and some days it's ten degrees

1690
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: below zero because this is cutting trees in Montana. And

1691
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: I would put tree spikes on over them because they're

1692
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: so rigid. But I always thought they're like kind of

1693
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: too rigid for hunting.

1694
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 3: You know, they were let's say break in, but that's

1695
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 3: you know, we that's before we'd spend all day in

1696
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 3: the woods. You know, we're in a logging business, to

1697
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 3: firewood and whatever. That was just what you'd wore. And

1698
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 3: then after a while, though, you know, you realize, wow,

1699
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 3: there's some way better off options there.

1700
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1701
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 3: Especially it's because they don't have to last, like I said,

1702
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 3: you know, maybe a season or two seasons, Max, and

1703
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 3: you ready to buy a new pair, you know.

1704
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 1: You know, I want to talking man about you know,

1705
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 1: just talking about wool, because you guys do such a

1706
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 1: nice job with the Marino wool stuff. Wolves had a

1707
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: weird history because my old man, like my old man

1708
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 1: started hunting after World War Two, so he started hunting.

1709
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: He got back from World War two nineteen forty five,

1710
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: got into hunting, he said. But at the time, like

1711
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: there wasn't that he didn't have like sporting goods like

1712
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: you have now, you know. He said, they used to

1713
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 1: they just hunting their clothes.

1714
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 2: They hunted their.

1715
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: Military surplus stuff. He said, for ten years. It's still

1716
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: the best stuff you could have.

1717
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 2: And he just spent two and a half years crawling

1718
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 2: around essentially.

1719
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: Camping out, you know, from all through Italy up into

1720
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: Europe in wool clothes and living in a fox whole camps.

1721
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 1: He said, they just hunted that stuff. And he told

1722
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,560
Speaker 1: he tells a funny story where he used to just

1723
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: hunt with other vets, you know, and they were out

1724
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 1: one time in a field hunting. Everybody had their army

1725
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: surplus stuff on. I guess it wasn't surplus back then.

1726
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: Their army stuff back on, and some took a shot.

1727
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: He said, A couple of those guys off the field

1728
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: all hit the deck like it was like still like

1729
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 1: in their head. But he always hunted them wool. I mean,

1730
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: all the time I was growing up, my old man

1731
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: wore you know, it was like green wool. They're not surplus,

1732
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: but I don't remember who makes them, but it's like

1733
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: a field pant and you'd die hiking into your tree stand.

1734
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: You'd be like so sweaty.

1735
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 10: You know.

1736
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: We used to like hiking and then put your pants

1737
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 1: on when you got there because they're so warm, this

1738
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: thick green wool. And my mom would buy bulk wool

1739
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: fabric and so close for me my brothers out of

1740
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: wool that we would hunt in.

1741
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 2: I wish I had saved him.

1742
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: We all had pants and a jacket that my mom

1743
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: made out of wool, and we stellup there hot in hell.

1744
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: And I remember, like when I was a little kid,

1745
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: they came out with that King of the Mountain wool

1746
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 1: clothes and getting that catalog and just dreaming over that

1747
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: trapper pull over. It was like a four hundred dollars

1748
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,560
Speaker 1: washed the wool jackets. It seemed like it was like

1749
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: unfathom Moabe that you'd like have that kind of money

1750
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: to buy some sort of garment. And then Cabella's came

1751
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 1: mount with a washable wool. It was supposed to be

1752
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: like a knockoff a King of the Mountain, and they

1753
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: were half as much.

1754
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 2: I bought a pair of those pants and washed.

1755
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: Them and they were like spandex in my buddy, like

1756
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 1: they're be like, dude, what are those I'm like, listen, man,

1757
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: you're looking at a lot of money right now. I

1758
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: don't care what these things look like. I'm wearing them.

1759
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: And then now with like your guys stuff, like you

1760
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: honestly can put it in. It's like you washing the

1761
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 1: washing machine. Yeah, it's unbelievable, it is, but it's like

1762
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 1: still the best fabric and it grows on the back

1763
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: of sheet credit line for a bachelor.

1764
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 3: I didn't even know. I wasn't even aware of like whool.

1765
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, I've been wearing Polypro since

1766
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 3: I was ten years old.

1767
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,719
Speaker 1: When I started hunting the mountains. We look like dudes

1768
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: out of the RII catalog. Yeah, we wore mountain clothes. Yeah,

1769
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 1: we didn't have anything.

1770
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 2: Actually, meant for a hundred one because it was all

1771
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 2: too big.

1772
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: If you're like a skinny guy who runs around the

1773
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: mountains a lot, it's too big for you right then.

1774
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: And so we just wore like mountaineering clothes. We hunted

1775
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 1: a mountaineering clobes, exact thing we have like blue and

1776
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: red you I mean, like we'd like I'd like get

1777
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: ritt dye and try like die stuff.

1778
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 4: So it was a little duller, some Patadonia stuff, some

1779
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:10,959
Speaker 4: a lot of Sims fleeces.

1780
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 1: Totally, man, totally, I would get it. I would go

1781
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: to good Wills. I have a lot of Moneys in school.

1782
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: I'd go to good Wills in rich towns. Like if

1783
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: you could hit a good Will in Jackson Hole, Wyoming,

1784
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, or hit a good Will here, catch minta home,

1785
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: you would walk out like tricked out and amazing mountain apparel,

1786
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 1: ski apparel and stuff. And we hunt because it was

1787
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: like so great, not just you know, not people make

1788
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: stuff for like skinny dudes that like they're running around

1789
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:36,799
Speaker 1: the mountains.

1790
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 4: Flip side is senior citizen centers. Don't overlook those because.

1791
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 2: You get they flag them.

1792
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 4: You get, uh, you know, old guy dress sweaters, that

1793
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 4: are one hundred percent lambs wool, and you can haggle

1794
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 4: those ladies down at the brother He still does old

1795
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 4: man sweaters about it.

1796
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 3: Were so yeah, that was it. Then that's you know

1797
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 3: the once everything kind of switched over from synthetics to wool,

1798
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 3: so did we and then you.

1799
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 2: Know everything meaning the smart people.

1800
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 1: I just you know, like people who don't like smelly clothes.

1801
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, people spend a lot of time outside, you know,

1802
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 3: like where to forge you to live at a place

1803
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 3: where everybody spends a lot of time outside, you know.

1804
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 7: So it's a fit town man.

1805
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of what last night people fit most.

1806
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: So that's like a fit crowd, you know.

1807
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, it would come out for something like that.

1808
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 1: I was kind of blown away, man.

1809
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this place is unique too, and that

1810
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's it's as steep as it gets

1811
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 3: like most places in the mountains. You know, you could

1812
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 3: still kind of enjoy yourself walking up and down stuff

1813
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 3: out here. Everything's like thirty degrees minimum, wouldn't you say?

1814
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 3: I mean it's just so steep that you're not pretty fit.

1815
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 3: It's really it's just wouldn't be fun. You'd just be

1816
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 3: like this sucks.

1817
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan was showing his place he likes to hunt.

1818
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: You said, this is one place I can just tell

1819
01:19:58,160 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: people where I hunt because they're not.

1820
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 4: Going to walk that. It's the dream there right now.

1821
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might be walking along. You might be walking

1822
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: along and kick something and realize that it's Hemingway's cut

1823
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: up shotgun.

1824
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 2: Oh he brought a full circle.

1825
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: He brought the podcast.

1826
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 3: I'll bet you that there there's the welder right there,

1827
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 3: right right, walk about.

1828
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 2: He's down in the pool.

1829
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah he is.

1830
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 3: He sold those piece one piece off every now and then.

1831
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 2: Helen showed me a note.

1832
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 7: Just tell me what it is.

1833
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 6: Hell no, We're going to post the show notes on

1834
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 6: the mediator dot com. We'll post links to the ak

1835
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 6: G videos and.

1836
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: All of them say what that means?

1837
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 4: We just did a show. Helen's been taking notes.

1838
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 6: Youah, like links to videos stuff that people I want

1839
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 6: to check out the video and stuff about our podcast.

1840
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: Hell post podcast show.

1841
01:20:54,800 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 4: Okay, correct, wrong, we should talk about not forgetting in

1842
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:00,759
Speaker 4: the woods.

1843
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 7: Okay, crazy my mouth.

1844
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Helen, Helen used to be Helen used to be

1845
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: the most. I used to admire Helen's work ethic and

1846
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm old enough to have sired Helen.

1847
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,640
Speaker 2: If I at twelve, I could have sired you at

1848
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 2: twelve years ago. Yeah, actually I couldn't have to say it.

1849
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 1: So, Uh, Hell lost her phone day when she had

1850
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 1: to pee in the woods. It's so different for girls

1851
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: to have to go in the woods. I don't lose

1852
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,839
Speaker 1: anything in the woods because I stay upright. My pockets

1853
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 1: stay oriented up right.

1854
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 2: For girls got an invert essentially invert and spill their

1855
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 2: pockets out.

1856
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:41,600
Speaker 3: Did you find it?

1857
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: No, she's it's an hour away. She's got to go

1858
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: back and get the name.

1859
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 3: Why ay to call it?

1860
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: She's sitting here right now.

1861
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 7: How yeah? Mission?

1862
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 5: That one guy that was there?

1863
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 7: So what was talking about? Oh showed?

1864
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 1: Should you be listening to this podcast? And you're like, man,

1865
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: I wish I knew what they were talking about. You

1866
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 1: go to the media dot com and you will find

1867
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: show notes. You'll find like links the stuff that we're

1868
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 1: talking about.

1869
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 7: Is that what you mean?

1870
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 3: Yes?

1871
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 7: Why don't you say that? Hell?

1872
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 2: And mister flight yesterday, mister flight lost your phone?

1873
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: Didn't catch it? Squad a rough?

1874
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 7: All right, you're honest.

1875
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: You tell us anything you want to close on.

1876
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 2: He's shaking his head.

1877
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 7: No, if you can't.

1878
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 4: Deep in thought there but no.

1879
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 7: Ryan Callahan closing thoughts.

1880
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 1: After I brought it full circle with that Hemmingway deal.

1881
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: I mean, what are you gonna do?

1882
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 4: There's nothing. You wrapped it up tight tight. We got

1883
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 4: some cooking to do tonight and starting to think about it.

1884
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 9: You know what.

1885
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to talk about that real quick, real.

1886
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 4: Fast, amazing menu.

1887
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 1: So backcunchy hunt an Angler fundraiser night. I'm doing beaver

1888
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:15,679
Speaker 1: con feet, which is where sor Yeah.

1889
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 2: I feel like I had some guy if be like, oh, no,

1890
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 2: you don't know what's been done.

1891
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 1: I just have a feeling that I'm the first guy

1892
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 1: in the face of the first guy to ever have

1893
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: made beaver confeet. He's like, you don't know everything's been done.

1894
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I don't know. That's why I said,

1895
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 1: I think I'm the first guy to ever make beaver confeet.

1896
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 4: Every tall peak around here has got a corzy yellow

1897
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 4: belly sitting on top of it, and you're never the

1898
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 4: first guy to make it up there.

1899
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 1: No, you know what, we were hunting, BC member, We're

1900
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 1: up on that crazy ridge and the wind was just howling.

1901
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 1: He looked down. Sure enough, thirty two caliber thirty two

1902
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: caliber Dominion.

1903
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 4: Did you look cartridge out?

1904
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 7: Yes, Canadian maker.

1905
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 9: Wow.

1906
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 1: I took a piece of I took a little bit

1907
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: of white out. I have a after on your per

1908
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:57,600
Speaker 1: your suggestion. I made a medicine I didn't do a

1909
01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: medicine bag. A did a medicine box.

1910
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 2: Cool, which is very centralized location to put all your

1911
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 2: weird stuff. So I took that cool.

1912
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 1: I took that thirty two Dominion casing and took white

1913
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 1: out and made just I did like artifacts in the museum.

1914
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 2: I did white out, and then I wrote the date location.

1915
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 7: I found it.

1916
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: And then I took my wife's uh nail, what do

1917
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 1: you call it? Lack nail lacker nail not polished, It

1918
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: wasn't colored turned if I know you don't talking about

1919
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 1: clear nail polish. And I went over So I did

1920
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 1: white out, then I wrote the date and location. Then

1921
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: I went over that with clear nail polish. Let it

1922
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 1: dry and throw my medicine box.

1923
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 4: Sweet, that's cool that you started.

1924
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 8: Did you start one.

1925
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:42,799
Speaker 1: I've had on for a while, dude, I've got bores

1926
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 1: toss Indian arrowheads. Well, I have my shoe that fell

1927
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 1: out of.

1928
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 4: My head from that from that black bear. Do you

1929
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 4: sitting on my desk at home?

1930
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 1: I got packer bones in there.

1931
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, aka swizzle sticks.

1932
01:24:55,960 --> 01:25:01,799
Speaker 1: Swizzle sticks aka faculums, vaculum vacuum wrap. My raccoon vaculum

1933
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 1: off a twenty pound raccoon is as big as a

1934
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: black beard vaculum off a two hundred pound black badger.

1935
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,600
Speaker 4: Buddy, you start skinning out a badger and you're like, you.

1936
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: Just can't get through it because all the vaculum I

1937
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 1: had to give up. All right, Joe, you already closed

1938
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 1: your thoughts. You lost your phone, and Joe likes her phone.

1939
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:25,679
Speaker 7: Kent no nothing to close with, all right, Thanks for listening.

1940
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 7: Tune in for more. Take care, have a good day,