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Speaker 1: To be Around the NFL Podcast. Thanks swearing is performative.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to do another edition to the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's funny the things that West said that. My name

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Speaker 1: is Dan Hansas. I'm joined a room building just one

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Speaker 1: hero right now. It's Greg Rosenthal and our good friend

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler a little bit under the weather today, so

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Speaker 1: we hope to have him back for the network show

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Speaker 1: on Friday and then back in action next week. And

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Speaker 1: and Greg, I mean, I think I think we need

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Speaker 1: to call in some reinforcements. We can't do it just

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Speaker 1: a two hander. This isn't a Mike and the Mad

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Speaker 1: Dog show. We need more we could. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: selling us short. Dan. We've done this for seven years.

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Speaker 1: But the show will be much better with the third

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Speaker 1: quality guests that we have, and quality is the word.

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Speaker 1: Let's welcome him on. He is. He is the football

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Speaker 1: writer over in Bristol, and he is a We're all

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Speaker 1: a long time fans of his work. This is his

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Speaker 1: second appearance on the show. Give me a little sweet

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Speaker 1: guitar lick and now, yeah, you know who he is.

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Speaker 1: Bill Barnwell back in the house on the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. What's Up? Budy, Hey, how's it going? A

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Speaker 1: pale replacement for Mark Sessler? And I will do my best.

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Speaker 1: Now you were on the show with him, there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be four of us. Barnewell, who I've I've known now

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Speaker 1: for you know, more than a decade. It took us

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Speaker 1: a seven years to have him on by us take

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Speaker 1: but now we're just now we're just taking advantage of you.

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Speaker 1: We moved the time around all all day. You know

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Speaker 1: you you're very flexible. What what a show this is

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Speaker 1: gonna be? This is my this is my daily project.

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Speaker 1: I am to this. I would be here all day

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Speaker 1: and all night if you guys would have me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well that's great. Here you're gonna regret those words. Uh,

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Speaker 1: But yes, Bill Barnwell is with us to go through

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Speaker 1: all the happenings in uh the NFL, in our league,

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Speaker 1: and a little later in the show, we are going

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Speaker 1: to Bill wrote two great pieces, as he does every year,

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Speaker 1: breaking down the free agent signings that he thought were

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Speaker 1: at all. And we're also gonna catch up with the news.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like and I have two very smart

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Speaker 1: I have to say, this is the time bill right

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Speaker 1: or wrong, where the real smart teams do their damage now,

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Speaker 1: second and third wave, right, the the players that people

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Speaker 1: They're gonna have a big impact in day one a

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Speaker 1: free agency. As you guys know, it's for the basics,

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Speaker 1: it's for the Simps, it's for the Patriots, the new

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Speaker 1: basically of the NFL. I mean, it seems like year

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Speaker 1: That was a bad idea. And it does seem like

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Speaker 1: big step down. Uh. You know, it's like a top

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Speaker 1: before we get into Bill slamming some teams, including Greg's Patriots.

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Speaker 1: What's I love? That's why you wanted Bill, That's why

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Speaker 1: you wanted to do you think swearing is performative? By

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Speaker 1: hot I think it's certainly performative to an extent. I

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Speaker 1: one take I'll share here because again I'm in the

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Speaker 1: midst bill um of Well, I'm now moved in, but

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Speaker 1: then let's let's do that. If that's an to be

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Speaker 1: You know, first of all, kudos a shot across Burt Brears,

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Speaker 1: Yeah you check you plugging on March medis there he is.

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Speaker 1: Next when we do our power rankings, Greg, next time

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Speaker 1: a light one. Yeah, we we didn't totally say who

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Speaker 1: I saw the stat that the Thunder have seventeen first

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Speaker 1: round picks and seventeen second round picks in the next

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Speaker 1: six years. I was like, some NFL teams should try that,

429
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Speaker 1: and the Lions are that team and Tayso Hill would

430
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: be the perfect quarterback in the meantime to do that strategy.

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00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: And other news the Eagles have filled a hole in

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Speaker 1: their roster. It's backup quarterback. Hopefully backup quarterback Joe Flacco

433
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Speaker 1: who gets actually a raise from what he was making

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Speaker 1: last year, coming off next surgery and has one and

435
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 1: done year with the Jets. It gets he gets three

436
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 1: and a half million, and guarantees that can get up

437
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 1: to seven and a half if he hits a bunch

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Speaker 1: of incentives, so he will be hypothetically here, Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 1: is backup? Do you put anything into bill when people

440
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 1: are trying to figure out these backup positions? And I say, well,

441
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: this doesn't make sense because Joe Flacco can't move. He's

442
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: almost a literal statue at this stage of the game.

443
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: And Jalen Hurts, all game game is about kinetic movement

444
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: making plays. Is that Does that make this a bad

445
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 1: fit or is it good just to have a thirty

446
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: six year old who could sling it a little bit kinetic?

447
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: Was absolutely too impress It's a radio head B side,

448
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 1: so I appreciate that it works on UM. I like

449
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Speaker 1: the idea of having a quarterback who does the same

450
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Speaker 1: thing as your starter. I think it makes sense. I

451
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: think it makes it easier to sub guys. And I

452
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: love the Mitch Robisky signing in Buffalo for that reason,

453
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 1: like having a guy who's mobile, who can run the

454
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: same sort of offensive stuff, even if he's not as good,

455
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Speaker 1: at least you don't have to make all that many

456
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: changes on offense. I I have really gone back and

457
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Speaker 1: forth and this Joe Flacco signing guys like most backup

458
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: quarterback signing. So I'm like, God, good or that kind

459
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: of bad. I forgot about it. I feel like I've

460
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Speaker 1: really gone like I thought it was awful, I thought

461
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: it was great. I thought it was awful again. I'm

462
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: going back towards great now because I think the Eagles

463
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: fan base, which I would say hates the team right now,

464
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,719
Speaker 1: they could love Joe Flacco. Local guy, kind of a

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00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: goof tall white guy, um, you know, like I feel

466
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Speaker 1: like he has so he has sort of like less

467
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 1: athletic Nick Foles vibe. Somebody's local on top of that.

468
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Speaker 1: So I think Eagles fans love their backup quarterback until

469
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Speaker 1: they actually have to see him play. And I could

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Speaker 1: see Joe Flacco coming in for perhaps an injured jail

471
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Speaker 1: and hurts and winning a couple of games and having

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Speaker 1: them be vaguely competitive in a messy NFC East, and

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Speaker 1: I could see Joe Flacco not getting a statue, necessarily

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Speaker 1: not getting the nick Fole statue, but at least at

475
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Speaker 1: least having a menu item named after him at a

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Speaker 1: Eagle Stadium concession. Stand the fact that Flacco lose like

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Speaker 1: a statue, can't you just like stick Joe Flacco in

478
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Speaker 1: front of the stadium for five hours around game days

479
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: and just then you don't have to worry about paying

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Speaker 1: anyone to make the statue. You can get a non

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Speaker 1: fungible token of Joe Flacco and just put it out.

482
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Speaker 1: I I love that. I'm a little wary though, of

483
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Speaker 1: the quotes he had on his press Conner and the

484
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 1: Eagles fans got all fired up because there was all

485
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Speaker 1: these incentives in the deal that could make out. I mean,

486
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Speaker 1: he's getting paid. Jack had a press conference. I don't know.

487
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: I was a little wary though, because he was like,

488
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Speaker 1: they haven't told me what my role is and I'm

489
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: a competitive guy, and I got thinking and he was like,

490
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: I got thinking about the Baltimore year when I don't

491
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Speaker 1: hold it against him, but I don't think he was

492
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: not like Alex Smith to Lamar Jackson's Patrick Mahomes. Even

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Speaker 1: though they played it okay publicly, he was a little

494
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Speaker 1: more drew bledsoe to Tom Brady, where he was clearly

495
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: a little resentful and maybe not overly helpful and made

496
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a problem, which isn't like shocking

497
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: from a guy who want a super Bowl. I'm not

498
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: gonna like holding it, but I think it might just

499
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a messy situation. He is

500
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: not the Ryan Fitzpatrick gu I think that's just like

501
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: gonna love up the guy underneath them. And I'm almost

502
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: a little surprised like Flacco still playing. I thought he

503
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: was gonna maybe just retire once he wasn't making big money.

504
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: But he said, of all things Dan that playing with

505
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Speaker 1: the Jets helped him realize how much he loved playing

506
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: the game. And he was okay. He was okay with

507
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: the Jets. He could have been worse. I was a

508
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: little better than I thought. Two things that I picked

509
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: up in the last few minutes. First of all, you

510
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: know builds a football guy when he's just like laying

511
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: in bed thinking about whether the Joe Flacco deal was

512
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: right for the Eagles. I love that. And to Greg,

513
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: I you have yet to get off any passive aggressive

514
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: shots at me about how Joe Flacco actually played better

515
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: than Sam Donald last year. You want to squeeze that

516
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Speaker 1: in go ahead. I mean, well, you made you made

517
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Speaker 1: me feel bad that I do bring up Donald every

518
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Speaker 1: episode last show. And then I was like, you know what,

519
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: you might have a point. I said, Flacco. Yeah, I said,

520
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: Flacco is a little better than I expected last year.

521
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Speaker 1: It was low expectations, but I thought he played a

522
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: little better than than people that probably didn't watch him think.

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Speaker 1: I have a question for you guys. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: Flacco related. I'm not gonna lie. Do you think the

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Speaker 1: decision to bring in Joe Flacco precludes the Eagles from

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Speaker 1: drafting a quarterback in the first round. No, it shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it does. I don't think

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00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: it should covers your basis. I mean, he's not much money.

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Speaker 1: You do need a second quarterback. They don't know if

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00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: they're gonna get If they do want a quarterback, they

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00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: don't know at this point whether they're going to get

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00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: him or not, so they at both bases covered. I

533
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Speaker 1: have a thought about Hurts that I thought he showed

534
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: enough last year that the organization and the fan base

535
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: would be excited about him now getting this opportunity. But

536
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: you kind of from what you hear out there, that

537
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: there's this door opening for them continuing to look for

538
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: a quarterback makes you think that maybe I was missed

539
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: reading the situation, or or I thought he played better

540
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: than he actually played. Were what did you guys think

541
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: about Jalen hurts On balanced in the work that he

542
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: did get last year. I agree with your you. I

543
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: agree with exactly what you said, Dan. I think his

544
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: first game was his best game, and I think that

545
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: sort of colors like analysis, like him coming in beating

546
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: the Saints with an upset. What were his numbers in

547
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: that game where he was benched in weeks seventeen, M

548
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: Let me pull it up. They were They were terrible.

549
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: He was bad in that in that Sunday night game

550
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: that feels like a million years ago. It really does.

551
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I don't. I don't think he played

552
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: well enough that you should say, Okay, we're committed to

553
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: this guy for the next five years, or poor enough

554
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: that we should say he does not just serve a

555
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: chance to start again. But I think if you have

556
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Speaker 1: a guy that you absolutely positively love and he's on

557
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: the board at six, I don't think Jalen Hurts precludes

558
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: you from drafting that guy, because remember, they drafted Jone

559
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: Hurts to be a backup, to be a a guy

560
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Speaker 1: who grow value, to be a guy who was a

561
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: situational player. Um, I know that that is, you know.

562
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: I don't think they tractor Hurts to replace Carson Wentz.

563
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: Sol and Hurt say backup does not seem that outlandish

564
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: to them in a way that maybe having Carson Wentz

565
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: as a backup part affair. He rushed for three fifty

566
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Speaker 1: four yards and four starts, His completed just over half

567
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: his passes, six touchdowns, four interceptions, QBR of forty one,

568
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: pass rating seventy seven point six. I guess, yeah, maybe

569
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: the numbers aren't as good as I have overrated many

570
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: of rookie quarterback, especially athletic ones that have like two

571
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: pretty good starts out of their first four in their

572
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: rookie year, and then you think they're great and this

573
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: is guy one of the one of their names rhyme

574
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: with um blue rock. Yeah, that's fun. Definitely got too

575
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: excited for about him. I mean, I guess they didn't

576
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: have to be that athletic either, because I'm thinking about

577
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: um Trent Edwards, maybe Mike Glennon a little bit. I

578
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: thought Mike Glennon could do. Said he had a pretty

579
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: good thirteen gay rookie year. But you know, speaking of

580
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: this is a trillion years ago. Mike Lennon is a

581
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: potential face of the Buccaneers. But now the Bucks that

582
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: are totally different animal. They are the defending Super Bowl champions,

583
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: and they are This isn't just some narrative that's coppled

584
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: together in the off season. You know, Oh, they're running

585
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: it back, They're bringing guys back, and then it's like, well, no,

586
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of churn going. No, it really seems

587
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: like they are going down the road of let's see

588
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: if we can win that title again with mostly the

589
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: same roster and Dominican Sue He's back one year deal

590
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: worth ten million UM and also coming back Donovan Smith.

591
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: The tackle agrees to a two year, thirty one point

592
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: eight million dollar extension, thirty million guaranteed over the next

593
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: two seasons. What do you think, Bill, I think the

594
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: only person who is not back but I can think of,

595
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 1: is Joe Haig, and I wonder whether the organization punished

596
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: Joe Haig for not catching that time down pass and

597
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Yeah, I think it's fairer if that's

598
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: how they want to do it, set an example, But

599
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: I think otherwise. This is the thing I thought was

600
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: very deep heading into last season, So you know, why

601
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: not run it back like it's not as if you know,

602
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: if Brady stinks like, you're screwed anyway, So like, why

603
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: do I run it back with the same veterans You

604
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: can get guys for cheaper. I think asked the offseason

605
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: goes on, if they have any cap space left, they're

606
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: going to be a very appealing destination for people on

607
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: one year deals because of Brady, because of the Super

608
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: Bowl win, because of No One compacts and good weather

609
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: in Florida. So I could see maybe waiting and saying,

610
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: let's wait and see who kind of falls out, who

611
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: doesn't you know who falster the cracks, and we'll get

612
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: first shot at those guys. But I do think that, um,

613
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: they were a legitimately very good team last year, and

614
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: I have no issues with them running it back with

615
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: the same guys to have one big piece playoff Lenny

616
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: still out there, He's out there. Antonio Brown still out there.

617
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: I saw Gret. Greg Allman of The Athletic wrote point

618
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: five or senator defensive snaps are returning to the team,

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00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: and of their offensive snaps are returning, and if for

620
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: Net or Brown return or both, that that offensive number

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00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: will go up even more. They are loaded. They are

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00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: a great test of like weather, bringing it back is

623
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: a rolling everything back, the same as a good idea

624
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: or not. Would you guys bring back for Net? Yeah,

625
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't care about at the right price, I would

626
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: not pay it like the playoff version. Yeah I'm not.

627
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean what did mark Ingram get one for three? Yeah?

628
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: I mean that would be fine. Yeah, I'm with that.

629
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: Uh eight o'clock the light Ricky Alright. The Cardinals sign

630
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: quarterback Malcolm Butler formally the Titans one year contract. This

631
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: is a quick fire, Barnwell, what do you got? Uh?

632
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: Better than Patrick Peterson last year? Probably? Maybe? For sure?

633
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: For sure he was good last year. Malcolm Butler, the

634
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: New York Jets bringing Tevin Coleman, the former forty or so.

635
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: A lot of talk Greg about Sol bringing in his

636
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: guys with San Francisco This is the first guy to

637
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: actually come aboard Gangreen. The The ultimate test for them,

638
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: I think is if they can run the ball with

639
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: that same offensive line, it'll prove how smart this higher was. Yeah,

640
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: they still gotta get that one and order James White.

641
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: They resigned him to one year, two and a half

642
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: billion dollar. I just lowered playoff Lenny's contract two and

643
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: a half billion, Bill Barnwell. James White back. That feels

644
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: like a nice pick up. I thought he was gonna

645
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: go to the Bucks. I thought he was gonna be

646
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: the box running back. So I'm shocking. Went back to

647
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: New England. They keep bringing guys back there. They're looking good, Danny. Yeah,

648
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: you gotta run back the two thousand Patriots. Oh, we're

649
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: getting a lot of guys back from the all right,

650
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: come back? Uh, Lawrence guy is back for a year

651
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: contract with the Pets. Yeah. I mean a lot of

652
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: these guys did not do well elsewhere. David Andrews is

653
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: another player who I think expected to leave and did not.

654
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: Their center did. David Clowney is on the radar for

655
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: the Browns, and once again, Phil, it's another team this.

656
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: Oh this makes a lot of sense. Your bookend him

657
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: with Myles Garrett and you've got something cooking. But you

658
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: know name verse game, Name verse game, yes or no?

659
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: That it's a better signing in theory than actuality. If

660
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: the Browns did it, uh, he will play eight and

661
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: a half games, he will have one gamer, he looks incredible,

662
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: and he will be anonymous for the rest of the season.

663
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: So I will say mostly na mm hmm, what do

664
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 1: you think I would do it? I think this is

665
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: this is the year where like, you're not gonna have

666
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: to pay much. It's a pretty big upside. And finally,

667
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: Damian Williams, let's hit this properly formally of the Chiefs

668
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: playoff hero super Bowl Hero one year contract with the Bears.

669
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: Maybe this will get Bears fans pumped up about I

670
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: think this is just a distraction ploy from that Andy

671
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: Dalton QB one tweet poor Andy Dalton at this point,

672
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: he's taken too much grief. It's not his fault. The

673
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: Bears think, are they going to tweet out RB two

674
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: for Damian Williams signing. That's again we talked about this

675
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, the social media accounts of

676
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: these teams, they're very powerful. I mean they because a

677
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: lot of people see it and it helps to kind

678
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: of become a talking point around the team. And you

679
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: have some twenty three year old intern firing off that

680
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: QB one with no context of how it's going to

681
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: be received, and it's just another thing to put on

682
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: one of the most important players on your team's plate

683
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: now getting mocked in public. You've got to have more experience.

684
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: You have to have gatekeepers involved with the social media accounts.

685
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: Maybe they maybe they knew it was coming and they

686
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: just did it kind of in a fun way to

687
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: get engagement. Let's do some breaking news. I know Bill

688
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: Barney doesn't care about this one as much, but I

689
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: am so excited Dan. It has been announced all California

690
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: adults will be eligible for a COVID COVID nineteen vaccines

691
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: starting April fifteen. Let's get that vaccine here, put it

692
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: in my arm. We're getting there now. I don't know

693
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: if Bill has been vaccinated, and that's his I'm just

694
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: saying it. He's not a California run in on him?

695
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you guys offering me a California residency

696
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: to get a shot, because I'll be on the next

697
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: line over. Guess I mean April fifteen, still a little

698
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: bit away. But I like the I like some clarity

699
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: in the situation. It feels good, good, it feels good,

700
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: great news. I have found shots for everyone I know

701
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: in my family but me, So when it happens, it's

702
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: gonna be very excited. Um, all right, that's what's happening

703
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: in the news. Alright. So Bill cranks it out every year.

704
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: It's a must read every year, the best NFL freadency

705
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: signings and yes, the worst, which to me, it's always

706
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: a more enjoyable read. I like to read about who

707
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: who messed up. I don't know why. I don't know

708
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: if everyone's like that or if that's just like what

709
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, but I always I'm always curious about that

710
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: because it's like, here's the real deal from people that know.

711
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: But let's start with some sunshine. Um, and you ranked

712
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: it one to ten, so I guess it would make

713
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: sense for me to start with number one. Here, you

714
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: thought the the best signing in free agency to date, Um,

715
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: Trent Williams back to San Francisco. Obviously it makes everyone

716
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: knows why it makes sense to Oh, you get to

717
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: keep your franchise left tackle, But what makes it like

718
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: the best signing. What made it so smart beyond just

719
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: the fact that he's a great player to keep position.

720
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: So I think two things. Number One, players who are

721
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: as good as Trent Williams do not hit the market.

722
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: I mean, you get the rare exception once every few years.

723
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: And this is of course another exception. Williams would not

724
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: have left Washington if he hadn't basically held out for

725
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: a year. He would not have been able to make

726
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: it to the Niners and got the no trade tag

727
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: attack not note franchise tag attached to his deal if

728
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: that had not happened, and then he's now thirty two,

729
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: I think returning to thirty three. But he is a

730
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: superstar player at one of the foremost important positions in football,

731
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: and those guys just do not become available, Like there

732
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: has to be some kind of major, major flaw, like

733
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, Drew Brees having a torn labor or something

734
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: that would cause a layer of that caliber to be

735
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: available in free agency. So to get that guy is great. Now,

736
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: it would be more impressive if, like the Chiefs had

737
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: got him because they didn't have him previously. But um,

738
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: given that he was a you know quote unquote free agent. Technically,

739
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: I give a ninner's credit for bringing him in. I mean,

740
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: this is a team that, um, when I get the

741
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: other part of this, you know that has a major, major,

742
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: major question market quarterback. And Jimmy Garoppolo, a guy who

743
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: has not been able to stay healthy and didn't stay

744
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: healthy last last year with Trent Williams at left tackle,

745
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: but having great tackles is going to give him the

746
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: best chance of staying healthy. And we saw two years

747
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: ago that when Jimmy Garoppolo was healthy, they were a

748
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: good enough team to make it to the Super Bowl.

749
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: So I think he makes that team so fundamentally better

750
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: given the inexplicable choice they've made to pay Jimmy Garppolo

751
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars. And I think that he's a

752
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: guy who was a Hall of Famer and who still

753
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: has four or five years left at a premium position

754
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: playing as one of the two or three best players

755
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: in that position. That those guys just do not become

756
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: available they're still close to the prime of their careers.

757
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: Bill really burying Jimmy g was the secret highlight of

758
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: that analysis. Million dollars for a guy who has not

759
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: been able to stay healthy and pretty much everyone. And

760
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: you know what, sometimes football is a game of inches.

761
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: Maybe that's not the comment we're making. He hits Manny

762
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: Sanders on the deep shot at the end of the

763
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but he didn't and that's how sports work.

764
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: I I really believe more than any team they are

765
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: biding their time for Deshaun Watson um and I think

766
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: Jimmy g is the perfect guy to hold in between,

767
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: if you know, because they can get rid of him

768
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: for nothing. Uh they can. They can trade him the

769
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: second they want Deshaun Watson with no cap hit whatsoever.

770
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: So he's had a good part of his contract. I'm

771
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: with you on Trent Williams because I think his contract

772
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: got um overlooked in terms of how affordable it was.

773
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: It's really three for sixty or four for eighties. So

774
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: that's twenty a year for Trent Williams. They added on

775
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: these phony kind of phony years at the end you'll

776
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: probably never get to And so he's making less than

777
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: some of the top left tackles a little less and

778
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: more to my point is that he's making barely more

779
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: than Joe Tuney. He you know, in terms of guaranteed money.

780
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: This contract is almost identical to Joe Tuney. So that's

781
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: why I put Tuney on my worst contracts list, not

782
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: to skip ahead, but just like positional value, And did

783
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: that get in the way of them just paying Trent

784
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: Williams a little more? It seems like it did, so

785
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: that that was a bad job in the chiefs I agree, well, Joe, yeah,

786
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: Joe Tuney never you know, all pro level like Trent

787
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: Williams and you're paying him to be a superstar basically

788
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: at that position. You have two raiders bill Um. New

789
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: raiders on this list, which I found interesting. Got John

790
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: Brown who got a little less than eight four million

791
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: over one year. UM. That makes a lot of sense

792
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: to me, Um because of the upside there if he

793
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 1: could say healthy Yannak and Gockway is interesting two years

794
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: twenty six million, so you don't break the bank for him.

795
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: But is there some mounting evidence that in Gockways kind

796
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: of p as a player on some level or there's

797
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: some flaws in his game and he's not worth uh

798
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: that level of contract? Apparently you you would disagree, but

799
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: just throwing that out there's fair. I think that was

800
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: the situation where maybe teams were looking at his last

801
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: year of work where he got traded to the Vikings,

802
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: which seemed like it was a mess. Um. They've never

803
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: had Daniel Hunter. Daniel Hunter, so he was being double

804
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: teamed pretty consistently. Um goes to the Ravens, where he's

805
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: not a great scheme fit. You know, did an okay job,

806
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: But he's going to be a pass rusher. He is

807
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: a you know, a four three hand in the dirt

808
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: pass rusher. Um, which is the role I believe he's

809
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: going to play in I'm sorry, not in Oakland, in

810
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Um for a team that desperately needed pass

811
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: rushing help, for a team that has been such a

812
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: mess on defense. And I think even in a down

813
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: year last year, he had eight sacks. Like even in

814
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: a year where he was disappointing, he did pretty well

815
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: for himself. And I think that he's still very young.

816
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: He has a great track record. Maybe the argument that

817
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: I could see is when he's not playing next to

818
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: clay As Campbell, he's not the same guy. But I

819
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: think that he is going to be. But like his

820
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: floor is like that six seven sack range where he's

821
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: not gonna kill you. He's gonna be an okay pass rusher,

822
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: and his ceiling is. This is the guy who looked

823
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: like he was going to be one of the highest

824
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: paid a rushers in all the football two years ago

825
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: when he was about to come do for a contract.

826
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: So I think he has significant upside at a pretty

827
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: reasonable price for edge rushers. He's not getting twenty million

828
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: dollars a year. I mean, you know, thirteen million dollars

829
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 1: for an edge rusher really is not all that much.

830
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: So the Raiders also get a second year if in

831
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: Gockway does impress. So you know, there are some guys

832
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: where you sign a guy to a one year deal

833
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, even if he breaks out, well,

834
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: what do you get, Like, you still have to sign

835
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: him in free agency next year. But in Gockway, because

836
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: they have him for two years, they actually get a

837
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: a second year at what would be a lower cost

838
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: if they want to use that as leverage to resign

839
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: him to a longer contract or have a guy for

840
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: an undermarket deal in two He's a little bit of

841
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 1: a consttionary tale of betting on yourself because yeah, according

842
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: to the reports that Jacksonville had offered him a few

843
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: years ago. He probably would have been better off just

844
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: taking a long term deal from the Jaguars when he

845
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: had it. Before we go to work, though, I do

846
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on Team Costco as you

847
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: called them on a Twitter exchange, which is the Houston Texans.

848
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: I love that, and you threw you threw one of

849
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: their signings in there in your list. I don't know,

850
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: just as a rep of the Texans, because you wanted

851
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: to talk. I think it was Andre Roberts, who's a

852
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: special teamer. Who's a good special teamer. But Team Costco,

853
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: what do you think of a wild approach to free

854
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: agency where they've signed about fifteen guys to almost identical

855
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: one year, two or three million dollar contracts. I like

856
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: teams that have a plan. I mean Las Vegas Raiders

857
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: have made a couple of really good signings. They have

858
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: no plan. They are just a mess of throwing stuff

859
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,959
Speaker 1: at the wall and hoping that they're better this year

860
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: than they were last year. The Bears have no plan.

861
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: The Bears are just desperately. Please God, let's get to

862
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: nine wins so we can all get extensions and we

863
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about losing our jobs. The Texans

864
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: have a very clear plan and I think it makes

865
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Now. They were a team that

866
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: was very top heavy last year. They had six or

867
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: seven stars who needed to play like stars and stay

868
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: healthy for them to make it to the super Bowl.

869
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: That did not happen. I don't know if you guys

870
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: saw the Texans were bad last year, and that's fine.

871
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: They had all kinds of players who were replacement level

872
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: talents in meaningful roles on both sides of the football.

873
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: By the end of the year, I mean it was

874
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: Chad Hanson, uh DFS Darling catching a ton of passes.

875
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: It was you know, guys in the secondary who were awful,

876
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: just just they were made underqualified guys across the roster.

877
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: And I think what we've we've seen Nickossario doing his

878
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: first year there is have a plan of Okay, we're

879
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: gonna build the back end of this roster. We are

880
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: not going to sign another star. We're going to sign

881
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 1: fifteen guys who are going to make our special teams better.

882
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: We're going to give us depth across the roster who

883
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: were gonna have versatility, uh in terms of filling multiple roles,

884
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: and we're not going to be stuck with a guy

885
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: who doesn't know what he's doing in a in a

886
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: key situation late in a game. And I think that

887
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: might not make a difference. This team is probably still

888
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: gonna be bad if Deshawny so it's not their quarterback.

889
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: But I think there is a a logic to what

890
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: they're doing that I appreciate. And I think that even

891
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: if it doesn't pay off in the long run, the

892
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: big picture here does make sense for how the Texans

893
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: are approaching their roster problems and approaching this off stats

894
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: makes sense. And before we moved to the negative one

895
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: more because I love it, and Greg, you know, you

896
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: know this is a burging love affair for the old

897
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: zeuzer Um. You're part of the Boon Bros. You are

898
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: all Mike Boone and the Denver Broncos and and I

899
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: love it. So two years, two point six millions of

900
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: great value there if the guy can play. He was

901
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: buried on the Minnesota death chart. Uh, and now he's

902
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: gonna have a good chance. You think to have good

903
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: work because you've got Melvine Gordon. I don't like Melvin Gordon.

904
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. It's just and spent

905
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: two minutes on NFL Network on our show talking about

906
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: Mike Boon. We had to be the first time ever

907
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: I'm a boon bro. Okay in the NFL that works

908
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: boon bro. So you got Melvin Gordon, who's just I

909
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: don't know, he's just kind of sloppy to me. And

910
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: then Philip Lindsay. They just didn't They felt like Philip

911
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: Lindsay wasn't a guy for them, and they and they

912
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: let him go. And I guess he is. He one

913
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: of the costco byes by the text, one of the

914
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: best ones. I love him. Yeah, anyway, So it does

915
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: feel like Mike Boone has an opportunity here. If that

916
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: skill set that he flashed in Minnesota, he gets an

917
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: opportunity in Denver. Right now, Dan, I agree with you

918
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: a percent. Greg, are you not a boon brow? You're

919
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: not part of the boon brigade. I just thought it

920
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: was a little out of sale that I hadn't heard

921
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: anything from Dan about Mike Boone and then suddenly, out

922
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: of nowhere, he's just like starting a whole fan club

923
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: and we're spending all this time. Now I'm for it.

924
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: I like it. It seem all the man does he's produced.

925
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: Give him the opportunity. Outside of that one week sixteen

926
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: game in Fantasy Championship Week where he broke people's hearts.

927
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: Outside of that one week, he has been phenomenal in

928
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: the preseason, an excellent, excellent player in the preseason. A

929
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: guy who I had on this list before, Philip Lindsay,

930
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: was like, I feel even better about it now. I

931
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: think part of my problem is just it was it

932
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: was a branding problem initially when he came into like,

933
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: I confused him and C. J. Ham. They just seemed

934
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: like they were like one person. Um, there are these

935
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: two big burly guys on Minnesota, and you know they're

936
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: very different. Boon is much better. We were hiding out

937
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: in the boondocks and now with the Boon brows are up,

938
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: Boon brigades, good Boon bro listeners. Hit me up. Maybe

939
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: I'll set up a poll Boon Bros, Boon Brigade, and

940
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: whatever winds will roll with going forward, I will I

941
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: will just point out that easy way to remember the

942
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: difference between those two guys. The full back is the

943
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: one whose name is a food. That's a good way

944
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: to remember which one is the fallback, which one's at

945
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: the full backscue negative, Greg, unless you had any you

946
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: wanted to throw in on the positive side, do you

947
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: have any of you're a particular fan of that? Maybe

948
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: I miss um No, I liked well the Juju and

949
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: the will Fuller stuck out to me, probably because of

950
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: some of the wider Maybe the wide receivers will get

951
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: to we'll probably talk agil are with you. But the

952
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,479
Speaker 1: wide receivers that signed later um it ended up looking

953
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: so much better. I I just don't get why Juju

954
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: suddenly went from like, hey, he's a little overrated to

955
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: like he's not good at all. No, he's a he's

956
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: absolutely a quality starter and will Fuller to me, is

957
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: absolutely a one year deal that is perfect because he

958
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: has so much upside. I wouldn't be surprised if he

959
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: ends up there long term. So I think the receivers

960
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: made a lot of sense. Let me ask you guys

961
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: about the Juju decision. I know that there was the

962
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: tweek going around about the various contracts Juju had been offered.

963
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: Are you surprised he didn't go to the chiefs and

964
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: do you think he should have gone to the chiefs?

965
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm on a one year proven deal. I probably

966
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: would say, because there's a little bit it's a little

967
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: unsettled in Kansas City right now. In terms of the

968
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: wide receiver pecking order, he could have established himself and

969
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: with Tyreeke there probably maybe you get back into that

970
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown vibe where he could be the true number two.

971
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: I think that probably would have made him more money

972
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: in the long run. But he must have favored staying home. Yeah,

973
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: I don't know he'd be number three there. I mean,

974
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: because Kelsey and Hill are one and two. Be on

975
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: TV a lot, be on TV a lot, You're gonna

976
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: have some cool celebrations. You're probably gonna score a bunch

977
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: of touchdowns. It's you're more likely to win a super Bowl.

978
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: That's for sure, to win a super Bowl. I mean,

979
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I could see both sides of

980
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: the argument, but I think, uh, that's one where I

981
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: would have if I had been an agent, I think

982
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: I would have encouraged him to go to Kansas City.

983
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: Anybody else I like, I just think Denver has been

984
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: sliding under the radar. I know you didn't like the

985
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: Ronald Darby signing, but I like Ronald Darby generally, and

986
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: I just feel like they man. They managed to get

987
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: Kareem Jackson to take a pay cut since we last talked,

988
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: and they get Kyle Fuller. There's kind of a known

989
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: quantity in a system. It's more just like they have

990
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: a plan. I don't know if it's gonna work. They

991
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: don't really have a quarterback, but their defense should be awesome,

992
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 1: Like I'm looking forward to watching that defense. And they

993
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: brought back the right players, Shelby Harris too. It just

994
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: it made a lot of sense what they what they've done.

995
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: They just haven't gotten the quarterback. Ok So if they

996
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: had a quarterback, leaf quarterback aside, where does their roster

997
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 1: rank in the NFL from the others on the roster?

998
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: I think it's above average. I think it's about twelve.

999
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: I think it's top twelve or so. You know, it's

1000
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: annoying because now it's a seventeen game season. But I

1001
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you how many wins and then you

1002
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 1: could give me nine or ten or eleven, and I'd

1003
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: be able to contextualize that immediately. If Ryan Fitzpatrick is

1004
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: that quarterback and you had ten, let's give him ten

1005
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: classic ten and seventh season. Right. They feel they profile

1006
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: to me is an eleven and sixteen. But wow, that's weird.

1007
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not happy about that. It's gonna be so annoying,

1008
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: Like like at the end of this year when we're

1009
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: gonna see tweets from fans like, how can you say

1010
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: crappy things about tree Lance when you just set the

1011
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, uh, the rookie passing record for my team,

1012
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, he played an extra game, dude,

1013
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: play come on it is. It's gonna really mess up

1014
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: records record. You know, individual numbers are already messy and football,

1015
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: but it's totally going to ruin them. And then you

1016
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: have guys that in the seventies and six they play

1017
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: a four team game season. It's like now it's like

1018
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: a different sport. People are gonna discount Mike Boone's two

1019
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: thousand yards seven team. They shouldn't do that. They should not.

1020
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: Absolutely all right on the other side of things, and

1021
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: you know, I love this. You start bang bang right

1022
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: off the top the Patriots with a big story last week. Uh,

1023
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: you have Nelson Aguilar and John new Smith one two

1024
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: in your write ups of worst NFL free agency signings.

1025
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: Why is that the case? Bill Well? Last year Nelson

1026
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: Aglare hits the market, he is a meme in Philadelphia.

1027
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: He is not generally wanted by any team, including a

1028
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: team that needed receivers in the New England Patriots. He

1029
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: signs a one year deal for I think the minimum

1030
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: are close to the minimum, and that's a good year.

1031
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: But year that's totally out of line with his prior

1032
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 1: crew performance. Even in this breakout season he drops eight

1033
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: point six percent of the past is third in his direction.

1034
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: So a Patriots team that needed help last year did

1035
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: not offer him like a million and a half or

1036
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: two million dollars or one year now thinks he is

1037
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: worth fifth. I think sixteen million dollars guaranteed, uh where,

1038
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: even if he gets cut after year one, he's gonna

1039
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: get sixteen million away or another. I mean that's like,

1040
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: that's fundamentally changing the way if you a player after

1041
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: one good but not other worldly season. And I think

1042
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: that's a thing that the Jaguars have done for years

1043
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: and had it go against them. Washington Football team did

1044
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: for years and made mistakes with it. The Jets have

1045
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: done and regretted it. Um every bad franchise when it

1046
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: comes to free agency over the past twenty years has

1047
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: made that mistake over and over again. And then that's

1048
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 1: compounded by the fact that as you guys brought up earlier,

1049
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: I mean, Will Fuller signed a one year deal for

1050
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: ten million, Juju signs a one year eight million dollar deal.

1051
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: These guys are getting one year deals for half as

1052
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: much in terms of guaranteed money as Nelson agil Or

1053
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: got from the Patriots, and they're all better players with

1054
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: more upside. So I I just don't like the igil

1055
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: Or move. I think it's misreading the market. I think

1056
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: it's overvalud in that one year when it comes to

1057
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: johnas Smith and Hunter Henry good football players, right, I

1058
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: mean good solid NFL caliber tight ends, But they're now

1059
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: the third highest paid player in terms of average annual

1060
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 1: salary at tight end and all of the football behind

1061
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey and George Kittle. And they're gonna be better

1062
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,959
Speaker 1: at tight end. They're gonna have a functional tight end group.

1063
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: But the idea that they're gonna have Gronk and Aaron

1064
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: Hernandez because they signed two guys who you know, John

1065
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: Smith who hasn't topped five hundred receiving yards once in

1066
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: his pro career, or Hunter Henry guy who we know

1067
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: has been tantalizing but never had that breakout season they did.

1068
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: Those two guys are gonna be, you know, superstars suddenly

1069
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 1: because they're getting paid like superstars. Just doesn't happen. They're

1070
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: paying them like the players they want them to be,

1071
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: as opposed to the players they've actually been or the

1072
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: players they project to be over the next several seasons.

1073
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: I think they went into the free agency period like that,

1074
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: like it was the draft that they planned for this,

1075
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: I think somewhat to their credit, I do think they

1076
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: looked at everything that was going on going into last offseason,

1077
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: thought this would be an amazing offseason to have a

1078
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: lot of cap space because it's not gonna be out

1079
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: in the market. But they went into free agency like

1080
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: it was the draft that they were they were gonna

1081
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: get Aghiler. I think it was the Raiders who bait

1082
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: them up, and it was like they went back and

1083
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: forth and then so that number got crazy. Someone was

1084
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: clearly in on Johnny Smith to to a high degree,

1085
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: and it's like they went into I don't know if

1086
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: they knew they would get both tight ends at that point.

1087
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: I think they thought they thought Henry the price was

1088
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: good enough, but that's how you make it is how

1089
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: you make mistakes. The Aglar signing reminds me a little

1090
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: of even though Leonard Floyd's returning to the Rams. It's

1091
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: like you bought super low. That was great, but now

1092
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: you're buying high off the good season. But it's like

1093
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 1: it's just sort of obvious. You know what's better, you know,

1094
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: buying lower, buying high. The Patriots are buying extremely high

1095
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: on al I like Johnny Smith, but they were paying

1096
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: a premi him because they just went into free agency

1097
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: being like, we are going to get these five guys,

1098
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: and they just did whatever they could to get him. Um,

1099
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: so mission accomplished Banner once again. We wanted these guys,

1100
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: we got these guys. Don't worry about anything else. The

1101
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: signing has real Laurence Robinson vibes to me for going.

1102
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: I don't care about the money that much though, because

1103
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: they're either wrong that they're good or bad players. They're

1104
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: not like that. They're all two year deals. Essentially, they

1105
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: still have more cap space than they really need. They

1106
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: might be very wrong, but there their roster was so

1107
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: bad that that the only thing that I wish was

1108
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: just like well, why didn't you sign Juju Smith Schuster,

1109
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: I don't a pretty similar player to Agiler. I know

1110
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: he's more agil is a better deep threat and a

1111
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: little more of an outside, but I would say they're

1112
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: they're quite similar and Juju is much more reliable. Yeah,

1113
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: it's more the opportunity cost, right, Like it's not like

1114
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: you're getting a better player with or than Bird, but

1115
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: like you could have had this incredibly significantly better team

1116
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: if you go out and you signed Juju Spitchuster and

1117
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 1: Will Fuller and Gerald Effort and Jared Cook and trade

1118
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: for Lee Smith, Like you spent less money and you

1119
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: have a really scary group of receivers as supposed to

1120
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: the guys they have who you know, have pretty low floors.

1121
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry has I'm able to stay healthy for most

1122
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: of his career. Nelson agil Or was a you know,

1123
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: a veteran minimum die a year ago. Like it's just

1124
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: they've got him better. But I think they missed out

1125
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: on having the opportunity to add a really significant core

1126
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: of talent at those positions that they If they gave

1127
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: algal Are, for instance, one year for eight, maybe they

1128
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: can get Chris Carson in their building and you know

1129
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: things like I guess there's a chain reaction to all this,

1130
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: but I really I have to say, like even if

1131
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: somebody and Greg knows an audience gets annoyed at me

1132
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: because like Dan hates the Patriots, which is true, Um,

1133
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: he was so good for the Raiders last year. I

1134
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: understand the drop raid remains an issue, but I feel

1135
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: like every time I watched the Raiders last year, who

1136
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: was making big plays for them? So it's he could

1137
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: end up being a bargain ultimately if it could happen.

1138
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: All right, let's see what's Greg, What did you throw

1139
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: one out there, either of your from your own or

1140
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: one of Bills. Well, I uh, I'm curious that you

1141
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 1: were so Downbill on the on the Lenny Williams deal, Okay,

1142
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: because because the only I know it's like a lot

1143
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: of money. I mean, I guess that's it, but he

1144
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: was just so good that it's like, okay, Well, like

1145
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: I almost feel like it got a little overlooked how

1146
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: good Leonard Williams was last year, and you you're kind

1147
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: of building around that scheme. You know, he fits in

1148
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: that scheme, so I don't have a problem with it.

1149
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: Like you mentioned it takes takes a lot of things

1150
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: for guys like Trent Williams to hit free agency. Leonard

1151
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: Williams isn't quite there. But Leonard Williams in Patrick Graham's scheme.

1152
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm buying in too much on one year sample,

1153
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: but Leonard Williams and Patrick graham scheme is almost there

1154
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: for me that he is like an elite player, and

1155
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: you've seen him in this scheme, so I'm fine just

1156
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: paying the money. Okay, So let's say Leonard Williams had

1157
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: five and a half sacks last year, would you feel

1158
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: comfortable with them paying him? But they're paying him. I

1159
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: didn't even know how many sacks he got. He was

1160
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: a game record like game after game, and he took

1161
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: over like three games, and I think he was really

1162
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: good pretty much the other game. So to me, he

1163
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: was like a top five. He's a unique player because

1164
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: he's kind of not exactly an edge or interior. You

1165
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: can do both. But I think he was about as

1166
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: good as it was at that position. So he had

1167
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: six sacks in two games last year against the Seahawks

1168
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys. So I watched all the sacks, but

1169
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: I watched the six sacks closely. I put them on

1170
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: the column. Two of those sacks, when I just quote

1171
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: almost directly, we're cleanups on pressures created by other players

1172
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: were the quarterback ran into him. Another was a coverage

1173
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: sack against Russell Wilson, who I don't know if you

1174
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: know this happens to have a bunch of coverage sacks

1175
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: when totally unblocked on a twist to get Wilson for

1176
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: another sack, and was just totally unblocked off the edge

1177
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: for a free stack on Andy Dalton. So, like you know,

1178
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that sacks are a great measure of

1179
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: defensive line performance. I don't think that they are signing

1180
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: him because they had those sacks. But I think the

1181
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: perception that he was a game record is in part

1182
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: because he had crazy sack numbers in those two games,

1183
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: and I think those sacks are mostly a product of

1184
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: the people around him. I think he's better than his

1185
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: sack numbers were in years has But like the the

1186
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: level he is at right now, the price taking is

1187
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:09,479
Speaker 1: at is Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald, Joey Bosa, like those

1188
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: guys who are perennial players at that level. If he's

1189
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: the guy, he was last year. It doesn't matter the

1190
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: page like the Giants will be happy. He's not going

1191
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: to be I think as good as those guys, but

1192
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna be very good. But he has one year

1193
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: in his career at that level in this one scheme,

1194
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: so it is funny, go ahead, they'll sorry. No, I mean, like,

1195
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: I just think like the odds are that he's not

1196
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: going to be that guy again in twenty two. And

1197
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: if he's not, then this is a you know, a

1198
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: very germatic overpay for a team that could have used

1199
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: that money to sign two or three starters on defense,

1200
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: because when he was on the Jets, he would He

1201
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: didn't get home a lot, but he did was a

1202
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: consistent guy causing pressure. He's been pretty consistent as a

1203
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: pro as but like pro My larger kind of point

1204
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: on that is and the NFL, just like many of

1205
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: a sports now, there's a analytics revolution that's well underway.

1206
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: Uh Like how in baseball, for instance, r B I

1207
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: S people that are in the nose. They don't put

1208
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: too much into that because that is productive a lot

1209
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: of things. Um sacks On some level, I feel like

1210
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: they've they've stayed at the top of the priority list

1211
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: for a lot of people that make decisions. Even when

1212
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: you start to break these things down and take a

1213
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: closer look at the film, it's it could be very

1214
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: misleading in terms of what the guy actually does. I

1215
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: think there is a a thing where a team, you know,

1216
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: at least on some broad level, whether it's ownership, whether

1217
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: it's the GM, whether it's Okay, we need to get

1218
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: that guy who's gonna get us ten sacks a year.

1219
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: And the comforting thing is seeing a guy who has

1220
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: that double digit number on his resume where you can

1221
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: sit there and say, Okay, well, we know he did

1222
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: it in the past, so he's gonna do it again

1223
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: for us. And I think that Leonard Williams, the guy

1224
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: who had that potential, was that kind of guy on

1225
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: a play by played basis in terms of generating hits,

1226
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: in terms of generating hurries with the Jets, and was underrated.

1227
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: And now I think because of last year, because of

1228
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: that run right at the end of the year, I

1229
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: think he's a little overrated. So I think he's somewhere

1230
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: in the middle. If this has been like a twelve,

1231
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: if it's been the Yannick and Gowkway deal, no issue

1232
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: at all. But I think that that extra eight million

1233
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: dollars a year they're giving him is gonna hurt them

1234
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: because I could have really helped their offensive line or

1235
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: help them ad um, maybe your quarterback who was competent,

1236
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: or another guy on the defensive side of the ball.

1237
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: You hated the Kenyan Drake to the Raiders, move hated it,

1238
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: did anybody like it was anybody out there. I don't

1239
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: hate it because because I like watching Kenyan Drake play football. Like,

1240
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: of course it's again too much money and not like

1241
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: a great use of resources, but like, that's gonna be

1242
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: a good backfield. I think ken Drake somehow is not.

1243
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's underrated, but I think in

1244
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: a one hundred and seventy five touch role, he's like,

1245
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: you know, he's like bargain guy, bargain Aaron Jones, like

1246
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: he he can have a nice He'll have a big

1247
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 1: season for you. I'm not gonna hate it. It It fits

1248
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: with what they do too. I spent every Cardinals game

1249
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 1: last year hoping Jaseepins in the backfield and being upset

1250
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,959
Speaker 1: when Kenyan Drake was in the backfield instead. It wasn't

1251
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: as good last years as the two years prior, but

1252
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: it was really good those the two years prior. I

1253
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: mean they have I think they've ansered that he's going

1254
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: to be in the joker role, which is the same

1255
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: role they wanted to use Linn bout It in if

1256
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken when they drafted him and they gave

1257
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: up and limped out in after a training camp and

1258
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: sent him to the Dolphins. With Drake, they're paying him

1259
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: I think eight and a half guaranteed in the first year,

1260
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: so they can't give up on him. They need him

1261
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: to be that guy, and I think that is one

1262
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: of those things where I think I don't know who

1263
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: they were bidding against for him to be in that role. Like,

1264
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: I think they see him as a player who could

1265
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: justify making that kind of money in that role if

1266
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: he feels what they need. But like, given the running

1267
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: back market, he's getting more than Chris Carson. He's getting

1268
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: more than I mean, guys like mark ingram I just

1269
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: I just like, what did you rather have Philip Lindsay

1270
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: in that role for a lot less money? Yeah, in

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Speaker 1: a world where they say the running backs don't get paid,

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Speaker 1: Kenyan Drake's made a lot of money the last two years.

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Speaker 1: Good for him, Good for him. You're right, you're right

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Speaker 1: to the point that the Raiders seem like they're always

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Speaker 1: like flailing and changing what they what their plan is,

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Speaker 1: or like covering up past mistakes. But that's what Gruden

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Speaker 1: did in Tampa. Speaking of past mistakes. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize we were getting so late. I gotta

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Speaker 1: get my son Walker to this passport appointment. It's a

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Speaker 1: hard it's a hard out. Well, let's wrap it up. Then, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we were pretty much there. We were there. That was good.

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Speaker 1: We were I was just about to wrap it up anyway,

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Speaker 1: So yes that check it out on ESPN dot com.

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Speaker 1: Bill Barnwell's Best and Worst uh free agent signings. There

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Speaker 1: are more on there, so so dig in and also,

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Speaker 1: of course the Bill Barnwell Show, his great podcast where

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Speaker 1: he has a rotating cast of friends involved. Bill, you've

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Speaker 1: said it all, You've done it all. Thank you, sir,

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Speaker 1: my pleasure again. Sorry to be the bargain basement Sessler

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Speaker 1: for a week, but now anytime you guys need me

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Speaker 1: to fill in for Mark, happy to do it. Awesome, Bill,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Some watch and again listeners, remember the around

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Speaker 1: the NFL broadcast is on NFL Network Friday, three p

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Speaker 1: ms Eastern noon, Pacific and overseas listeners, you know where

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Speaker 1: to find it on the old Game Pass app. Greg

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Speaker 1: You've got to do your dad work. Thank you very much, buddy,

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Speaker 1: and uh again. We will be back Friday for the

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Speaker 1: network show Monday for the podcast is Dan Hanson signing

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Speaker 1: off four great Bill Barnwell And yes, I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: that poll up there, Boon Bros. Boon Brigade. What's it

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Speaker 1: gonna be? We don't know. Dan Hanson signing up for

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Speaker 1: Bill Barnwell, the old boss, rick Allywood behind the Virtual

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Speaker 1: of blacktil Monday, he's a call s