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Speaker 1: promised me they're gonna turn this staintment, and they also said, Linda,

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Speaker 1: You you know this game, you know, every everybody ends

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Speaker 1: up loving Linda and thinking that I'm the devil. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: First of all, that's not true. They just like me

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Speaker 1: more than you. That's all. Okay, Well, Lawrence, you know

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Speaker 1: what it's funny. Now, Lawrence, I want you to describe.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, private detail. Lawrence and I had a private

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Speaker 1: After when I came up from Atlanta and Lawrence was

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Speaker 1: four years old. I've now become my twenty fourth UNI

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Speaker 1: twenty fourth anniversary. Why can't I tell people that? What

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Speaker 1: do I always say to you? What do I There

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Speaker 1: are two things I always say to you. Correct, that's correct. One,

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Speaker 1: I say, You're gonna be a huge star. You've got,

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Speaker 1: I mean, more natural talent than anybody I've ever met

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Speaker 1: in TV. You're You're just and everybody loves you. What's

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Speaker 1: the other thing that I always say to you? They

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Speaker 1: always like, be humble, Be humble, dad of trouble, and

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Speaker 1: I say, listen to your mom and dad. Your mom's

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Speaker 1: a preacher, the preacher, my dad the start driver. Yes, yes, yes, right.

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Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you have been so amazing. I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you this because I've you've gone on

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to ascertain what's the difference for you

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Speaker 1: when you go into two different environments. You know, the love,

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Speaker 1: the love, I mean, these are people that don't care

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Speaker 1: about the skin color. They just really love America and

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Speaker 1: they want to be You know, it's funny because I

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Speaker 1: was around doing the Tea Party. That's when I first

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Speaker 1: got into the conservative libertarian movement. And the Trump people

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Speaker 1: are just like the tea Party media is that I

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Speaker 1: used to join, And that's doing a period of time

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Speaker 1: where I thought all the Republican when I used to

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Speaker 1: be a living for racist and these people want to

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Speaker 1: hug you, They want to hey, can we go get

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Speaker 1: a drink? Just loving people. Uh. And I just wish

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Speaker 1: the mainstream media with cover the love instead of trying

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Speaker 1: to pick the one person, the one idiot out of

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Speaker 1: a crowd and say this is a hateful person. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you've been another environment for horrible things have

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Speaker 1: been said to you. There's the reason why I have

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Speaker 1: to travel with a security detail, now, Sean, is that

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Speaker 1: because these people are vicious people. Uh, you know, I

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Speaker 1: take them, Okay, go ahead, keep going from there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can take them. I could take them, but they're

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Speaker 1: there trying to destroy people. Because you see themselves if

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Speaker 1: they try to antagonize you and they want you to

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Speaker 1: hit them so they can have something, and that'll be

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Speaker 1: detail because my dad, my second dad that's on, you know,

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Speaker 1: to have his own radio show that I'm on, making

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Speaker 1: me travel with a detail. Now, well, listen, I we

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Speaker 1: love you. You've been doing an amazing job. I'm honored.

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Speaker 1: We've developed a great friendship. I want you to be safe,

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Speaker 1: always have fun. Tonight we'll put you on the President's

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Speaker 1: speaking I guess sometime after eight, probably bleeding into my hour.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll go to you tonight. Look forward to having

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Speaker 1: you on and tell our friends there when you see

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Speaker 1: everybody that John Hannity sends their love and a message.

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Speaker 1: The messages turn Minnesota red. Okay, sir, We'll see you

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Speaker 1: to night, exclusively unhanded at night on the Box News

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Speaker 1: show All Right, Lawrence Jones, Fox News Special twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: On the Road Election correspondent, investigative reporter and Tricia. I

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Speaker 1: want to thank you too. You're amazing and tell everybody

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Speaker 1: there I said, my love, well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you. How did you get so close

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Speaker 1: to Tricia? You're so funny you get I met you

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Speaker 1: at a Missouri actually I remember you gave me. That

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Speaker 1: was at Cape Girardo. You gave me the book Maye.

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Speaker 1: She came up to me from behind, and there was

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Speaker 1: one of the camera guys who was local there, Union guys,

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Speaker 1: and he goes, oh my god, dear Linda, and I

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Speaker 1: said yeah, and he goes, I recognize your accent. He goes,

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Speaker 1: I'm a been listening to the show. I say, oh,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. He goes, you gotta meet this

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Speaker 1: lady over here. She's got a book. I said, oh,

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Speaker 1: who doesn't. He goes, No, really, she's got a book

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Speaker 1: and it's filled with all of Trump's tweets. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of incredible. So I went over. Trisha was

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Speaker 1: there at a husband. They're super sweet, super nice, you know,

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Speaker 1: and we just got to talking and we stay in

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Speaker 1: touch because you know, she's you stay in touch with everybody.

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Speaker 1: Linda talks to everybody, you know. I'm just looking at

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Speaker 1: this and it does warm my heart. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: see what is going on in this country. This is

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Speaker 1: just the latest attempted coup attempt. You know. I'm reading

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Speaker 1: an article that just came out and I'm like, how

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Speaker 1: does this happen to our country? The headline on foxnews

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Speaker 1: dot com newly declassified court documents reveal FBI FISA violations

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Speaker 1: targeting Americans, and then Devin Newness and John Solomon on

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Speaker 1: TV last night apparently they were surveiling John Solomon were

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Speaker 1: reporting on Ukraine. Now, what you're saying is very alarming

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Speaker 1: to me. I have three people now that have told

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Speaker 1: me that they believe there is evidence that shows government

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Speaker 1: resources we use to monitor communications. In one case, a

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Speaker 1: journalist that is a regular on this program with the

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Speaker 1: name John Solomon. Have you heard that, Congressman. Well, what

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Speaker 1: I've heard, and I want to be clear, there's I

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Speaker 1: think there's a there's a difference. What I've heard is

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Speaker 1: that there were strange requests, irregular requests to monitor not

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Speaker 1: just one journalist, but multiple journalists. Now, perhaps that was okay,

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Speaker 1: Perhaps there was some reason for that that it can

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Speaker 1: be explained away. But that's what we that's what we know,

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Speaker 1: and that's what we're going to be looking into. Great,

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Speaker 1: this is the country we live in. Let's let's let's

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Speaker 1: impeach the president elected by the people, and let's weaponize

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Speaker 1: the powerful tools of intelligence to do it. And let's

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Speaker 1: use a Russian dacier as a means of spying on

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Speaker 1: the president. Then we'll use foreign intelligence allies of ours

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Speaker 1: to do the spying that would be illegal to do here,

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Speaker 1: and we'll outsource it to circumvent laws. And when Russia Russia,

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Speaker 1: Russia doesn't work, we'll just go to Ukraine when there's

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Speaker 1: no issue. I'll be honest, I you know there are

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Speaker 1: days that I in my heart, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: we can even save this country from this madness. It's

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Speaker 1: gotten so corrupt, the media is so corrupt, the deep

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Speaker 1: state is so corrupt. You know, in all the years

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Speaker 1: I've been doing this, and there's a lot thirty one.

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Speaker 1: I never believed it could be this bad in this country.

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Speaker 1: I always thought checks and balance it. I don't know anymore,

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Speaker 1: but there is. According to what we're getting on the screen,

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Speaker 1: there's a little bit of what you might call now

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Speaker 1: a breaking tweet from the President who says that tomorrow

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Speaker 1: they will release a transcript of the Zelensky call. So

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Speaker 1: my question to you is, if you see that transcript

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Speaker 1: and it is more benign than we've been led to believe,

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Speaker 1: will you do you think that your caucus might stand

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Speaker 1: down a little bit or do you think that the

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Speaker 1: caucus is at a boil right now? I mean, you're

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Speaker 1: going to find out now. It's not about that. This

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Speaker 1: is about the Constitution of the United States. And we

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Speaker 1: have many other shall we say, candidates for impeachable offense

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Speaker 1: in terms of the constitution moves in, but this one

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Speaker 1: is the most understandable by the public, and it's really

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Speaker 1: important to know this. It is there is no requirement

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Speaker 1: there be a quid pro quote in the conversation. If

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Speaker 1: that's of his political opponent, that is self evident that

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Speaker 1: it is not right. We don't ask foreign governments to

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Speaker 1: help us in LESSI that's what we'll try to stop this.

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Speaker 1: Russia's wrong. Yeah, but the problem is, oh yeah Clinton

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Speaker 1: did it, and oh yeah Obama did it, and well

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Speaker 1: there was no quit pro quo and it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: what the interpretation of any Oh, let's see whistleblower that's

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Speaker 1: not a whistleblower has to say on it. And then

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Speaker 1: Pelosi announcing this before we ever saw it, or did

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Speaker 1: she because Adam Schiff apparently was working with the non

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Speaker 1: whistleblower whistleblower Anyway, our two Sean Hannity Show eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and nine for one, Sean told free telephone number speaker

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Speaker 1: Pelosi that the Democrats this is just what they wanted,

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Speaker 1: which is why I played the montage that from yesterday

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Speaker 1: on TV. It starts two days after he's elected two

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Speaker 1: and it never ends joining us. Now, former Speaker of

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Speaker 1: the House New Gingrich is with us. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: he has given me an early copy about Nancy Pelosi

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Speaker 1: saying she's playing checkers and Trump's playing chess. How are

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Speaker 1: you well? I said, but that's not even true. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Pelosi's playing solitaire. And the reason I say that, I

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Speaker 1: want to him to say, I don't think you count

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Speaker 1: play tick tack total. And the reason is pretty simple

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Speaker 1: that you have all this effort right now to keep

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Speaker 1: the leaker which is the right term for the whistle blower,

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Speaker 1: to keep the leaks INNT wants to blow anything. He

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Speaker 1: had no evidence firsthand of anything. So he's just a

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Speaker 1: Lincoln's plowing all of the way in which the deep

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Speaker 1: state tries to destroy Trump. So the Democrats are going

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Speaker 1: to all this effort to keep this guy secret. Well,

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Speaker 1: if they were to pass the impeachment of the sign

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Speaker 1: in the House, it goes to the Senate, and Lindsey

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Speaker 1: Graham as the challenge duiary communities already say it. He's

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Speaker 1: going to bring this guy in in public under oath,

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Speaker 1: reminding that the perjury means you can go to jail.

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of like they're not thinking about Act two.

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Speaker 1: And I think the Democrats in that sense of just

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Speaker 1: in such a frenzy that they have lost their minds

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Speaker 1: about how this is going to work, and they've forgotten,

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Speaker 1: you know, that it's not a one step game, and

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Speaker 1: that the following steps are all bad for them. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm watching all of it, and even Ben Sasas is

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Speaker 1: always critical of the president, said it's a you know,

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Speaker 1: a partisan clown show. What's interesting to me watching this

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Speaker 1: as an outsider, is well, you've been through this. You

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Speaker 1: were speaker when there was Independent Council. That statute then

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Speaker 1: changed to the Special Council. But there were eleven specific

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Speaker 1: indictments that were put forward by Ken Starr in his

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Speaker 1: final report. It's not like that this got hold out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere. And when you set up the conditions in

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Speaker 1: your particular case for the Democrats, the minority at the time,

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Speaker 1: to deal with issues, well, you were fair. There was

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Speaker 1: a full vote of the House. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: You also allowed all sorts of let's see every single

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Speaker 1: He gave every single opportunity for them to present their

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Speaker 1: the same principles that had been established by Peter Rodino,

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Speaker 1: a Democrat, in nineteen seventy three during Watergate, and we

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Speaker 1: did it very deliberately. Henry Hyde was Chamber of Judiciary.

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Speaker 1: He worked so well with John Conyers at that time

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Speaker 1: that in their opening hearing, Conyers said this is the

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Speaker 1: Dick Gephart, the Democratic Leader, joined me in a press

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Speaker 1: con for to say that we had mutually agreed to

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Speaker 1: publish Star's entire report so the American people could see

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Speaker 1: what Star was saying. I mean, there was a real effort,

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Speaker 1: based on how they had handled Watergate, to make sure

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Speaker 1: that the country could see that this was more than

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Speaker 1: partisan politics. And in some of the early votes we

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Speaker 1: got two out of every three Democrats voting with us.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's very different from the way Pelosi

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Speaker 1: what she's doing, frankly, will end up backfiring on her

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Speaker 1: because the average American is going to see clearly that

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Speaker 1: it's not fair, it's not being done in an appropriate way,

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Speaker 1: and as a result, I think that the country the

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Speaker 1: longer this goes on, the more the country will realize

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Speaker 1: that it's phony, which is exactly what happened last year

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Speaker 1: with Kavanaugh, where initially people said, well, well that's true,

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Speaker 1: Well going to turn out it was. And Trill and

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Speaker 1: I think all these polling members have the same kind

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Speaker 1: of effect if it was all true, if the New

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Speaker 1: York Times in the Worship Post for an accurate you'd

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Speaker 1: be in one world. But as this goes on, you'll

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Speaker 1: discover I think that that's not where we are, and

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Speaker 1: as a result, the case to the Democrats will just

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Speaker 1: keep decaying. I look at Siboloni's letter. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a brutal takedown that he's sent to Pelosi, shiff

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Speaker 1: and some others and calling what they are doing unconstitutional, invalid, baseless.

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Speaker 1: And I see a lot of reasons for this. I

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Speaker 1: think it's very obvious. Number one, they never accepted the

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Speaker 1: results of the twenty sixteen election. You and I have

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Speaker 1: discussed that many times. After four separate Russia Trump investigations

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Speaker 1: culminating with Robert Muller, no collusion, no obstruction, they are

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Speaker 1: even more unhinged because they had put everything banked on

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Speaker 1: that completely as the way to take out the president.

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Speaker 1: That didn't work out particularly well. And you know, Thirdly,

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Speaker 1: I think al Green kind of telegraphed the real feelings

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Speaker 1: that they have, which is they don't think they can

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Speaker 1: beat Trump. But what they're doing here is they don't

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Speaker 1: want to have a vote in the House and put

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Speaker 1: everybody on record. I think that's a big problem, and

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Speaker 1: instead that what they're doing in this particular case, A

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Speaker 1: Sippoloni said, down, and this is designed and implemented. They're

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Speaker 1: doing this in a manner that violates all fundamental fairness,

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Speaker 1: constitutionally mandated due process. In this process, they're denying the

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Speaker 1: president the right to cross examine witnesses, to call witnesses,

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Speaker 1: to even receive transcripts of testimony, to have access to evidence,

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Speaker 1: to have counsel present, other basic fundamental guaranteed rights for

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Speaker 1: all Americans. That would violate every aspect of constitutionality, rule

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Speaker 1: of law, and past precedents. And you were involved in

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Speaker 1: a past precedent, that's right, didn't Let's lets just start

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Speaker 1: with the right to know who this leaker is. Because

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Speaker 1: there was a procedure used for about one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty years called a star chamber, and the British government

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Speaker 1: used it, and you could be pulled into that room.

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Speaker 1: He had no idea who was accusing you of what

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Speaker 1: they were accusing you of, what the evidence was, and

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Speaker 1: the government's judges could put lock you up for thirty

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Speaker 1: years and you had never had a chance to find

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Speaker 1: out what the case was well in sixteen forty one,

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Speaker 1: that's abolished. And when the founding fathers were right in

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Speaker 1: the Constitution, they were very aware of the danger of

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Speaker 1: not being allowed to face your accuser, and so they

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Speaker 1: clearly wanted assistant that was fair and that gave people

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Speaker 1: the right to protect themselves. And what the Democrats are

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Speaker 1: doing right now it can only be described as crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they believe that somebody can make a charge

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Speaker 1: that will be used to overturn the American people's choice

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Speaker 1: of president, and that person can do it in secret

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Speaker 1: without being challenged. There's no precedent in American system anywhere

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Speaker 1: for that kind of one side in process, and it's

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Speaker 1: going to fall down on its own. Wait, and of

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Speaker 1: course they put all this under Adam Schiff, and even

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post gave Adam Schiff four pinocchios for playing

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Speaker 1: out lying. Now, you know, if you're a liberal Democrat

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Speaker 1: and you get four pinocchios from the Washington Post, you

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Speaker 1: know you're doing something really wrong. And I think Shift

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Speaker 1: in that sense is the worst possible person for them

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Speaker 1: to put in this kind of situation, because in the end,

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Speaker 1: nobody's going to believe him. Look, you've called this that

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I'm using the same term a coup.

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Speaker 1: Everything that they've done I literally played. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you saw the montage, if you go to my

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Speaker 1: Twitter account, we posted it. But they have said impeach

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Speaker 1: and peach and peach all throughout two days, starting two

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Speaker 1: days after Rump was elected, all through twenty seventeen, all

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Speaker 1: through twenty eighteen, now all through twenty nineteen. This has

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Speaker 1: been their ward and Nancy Pelosi when she announced the

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Speaker 1: day before we even knew about what was in this,

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Speaker 1: this conversation with the president and the President of Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: We find out there's nothing. There's no there there, there's

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Speaker 1: no quid pro quote, there's nothing that well, we have

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Speaker 1: many options to impeach him. I mean, I've never I've

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Speaker 1: never witnessed anything like this, considering the level of lawlessness here.

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Speaker 1: You know, Rachel Peterson is my chief researcher, and for

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Speaker 1: the last week she's been going back and the stuff

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Speaker 1: she spounds unbelievable. The first wave of get rid of

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Speaker 1: Trump rallies is on the ninth of November, the day

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Speaker 1: after the election. By mid December, Vanity Fairs running a

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Speaker 1: call an article about the impeachment movement, and on the

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Speaker 1: day that Trump is sworn in at his inaugural, the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post has an article on the Democrats planning to

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Speaker 1: impeaching them. So the thing, that's why I called us

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Speaker 1: a coup. This is an effort by left wing Democrats

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Speaker 1: to overturn the American people's choice in who the president

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Speaker 1: should be. It has no basis in any kind of reality.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I think Pelosi was still revealing when

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Speaker 1: the reporter said to her, well, what if this doesn't work,

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Speaker 1: and she basically said, we'll find some other reasons. But

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Speaker 1: as I said a while, the challenge she's dot is

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Speaker 1: after they're done playing their partisan clowns. He has been

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Speaker 1: SAS's line in the House, it's going to go to

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Speaker 1: the Senate. And the more that they behave as really

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Speaker 1: partisan clowns, the less likely it is that the Senate

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Speaker 1: is going to take whatever they seriously. So in a

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Speaker 1: very real sense, they're underminding their very own case. All right,

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Speaker 1: As we continue, former Speaker of the House New King

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Speaker 1: Richie has rightly identified with the Democrats are doing as

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Speaker 1: a latest coup attempt. All right, so let's walk through

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Speaker 1: this in your mind Okay, if if they're not going

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Speaker 1: to offer the president due process, they're not going to

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Speaker 1: have an up or down vote because they want to

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Speaker 1: protect the forty Democrats that are in Trump won districts

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, and they're just going to push it

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Speaker 1: through anyway. Let's assume that they are successful. Okay, goes

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Speaker 1: to the Senate, it dies, Boy Sean, think of at all.

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Speaker 1: You just said, Oh, I'm aware of what I just said.

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Speaker 1: It's insane. No, I'm just you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: The fact that they're avoiding a vote on the process

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Speaker 1: doesn't save those members because in the end, they're going

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Speaker 1: to have to get to a vote and do take

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Speaker 1: somebody like like Peterson, who represents northern Minnesota in a

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Speaker 1: district where Trump won by thirty points. And if Peterson

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Speaker 1: comes in and votes to impeach, he might as well

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Speaker 1: not run for reelection. And so I mean when I

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Speaker 1: said the other day that you can drive through impeachment

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Speaker 1: if you're prepared to commit suicide. But that's what that's

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Speaker 1: what she's doing. She is setting up her majority to

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Speaker 1: become a minority because she is putting member after member

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Speaker 1: in a position. Now it could be that when the

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Speaker 1: backlash builds enough, and I must say, the Trump campaign

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Speaker 1: team and the Trump White House, uh and Rona McDonald

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Speaker 1: over there and see are all doing a good job

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Speaker 1: of building a backlash. Um, it could well be that

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Speaker 1: at that point it just peters out and they don't

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Speaker 1: get to a vote. But at that point that they're

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Speaker 1: going to look pretty stupid though all the wapp they're

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Speaker 1: all made all these strong announcements and then they're going

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Speaker 1: to slink away and never ever vote. I think in

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Speaker 1: some ways that could be amazingly constructive for them. What

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Speaker 1: do you think it's gonna be. Do they back down

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Speaker 1: or they go through with it? I would argue they're

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Speaker 1: going to go through with it. I think I think

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Speaker 1: they have to go through with it. I'm just so

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Speaker 1: sooner or later. Nancy polos He was going to say

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Speaker 1: to all of her marginal members, Genie, I really hate

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Speaker 1: to do this to you, but you got to get

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Speaker 1: up there and vote. And all of her marginal members

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Speaker 1: are going to be told if you don't vote, yes,

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Speaker 1: we're going to find somebody in the primary and we're

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Speaker 1: going to beat you in the primary. And so I

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Speaker 1: think she can coerce a majority out of the House.

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Speaker 1: But in the process, m I think that they will

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Speaker 1: be just they'll be wrecked as a party you combine

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Speaker 1: the left wing proposals of their candidates. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: other day, Biden, in a moment of typical irrationality, came

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Speaker 1: out at the gay and lesbian well. He just said,

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Speaker 1: he said, you know, I think people should be able

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Speaker 1: to identify themselves and if guys want to go to

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Speaker 1: the women's prisoners should be allowed to. Now, I think

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Speaker 1: that's probably a losing issue, and I'd like to see

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Speaker 1: the twenty fifth year of the contract a new contract

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Speaker 1: promises to America, and this needs to be a nationally

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Speaker 1: run election by Republicans. We'll talk about that next time.

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Speaker 1: New King Rich former Speaker of the House Hannity dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Mister Speaker has always thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: when we come back. Governor Scott Walker, the important swing

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Speaker 1: state for twenty twenty Wisconsin. Where does Donald Trump stand

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Speaker 1: say against Elizabeth Warren? That's next, all right, twenty five

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Speaker 1: till the top of the hour, eight hundred and nine

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Speaker 1: four one, Sean. If you want to be a part

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Speaker 1: of the program so much, you know, coming out of

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Speaker 1: as we've been talking to people on the ground in

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Speaker 1: Minnesota and the big rally of the President tonight. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, pretty funny stuff. I don't know, I just

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Speaker 1: look at Twitter. This is this is not stuff we're reporting,

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Speaker 1: but stuff that people are saying out to you know.

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Speaker 1: The crowd is massive, has been massive. Apparently they're trying

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Speaker 1: to bar people reporters from interviewing the people in line,

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Speaker 1: you know, the smelly Walmart shoppers like me, the irredeemable, deplorable,

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Speaker 1: and so obviously there's there's that component of it. They

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Speaker 1: tried to shut it down ahead of time. And I

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Speaker 1: gotta tell you, it's apparently massive turnout that's going on there.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we all ought to call it Maga sodas somebody

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Speaker 1: said on Twitter, which was pretty funny. And anyway, people

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Speaker 1: camped out like all these Trump rallies overnight, got there

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Speaker 1: at seven am, you know, thousand people in line. Then

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Speaker 1: the only holds nineteen thousand, three hundred people and maybe

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Speaker 1: there's one report that they might have even taken away

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Speaker 1: the porta potties. That's pretty desperate. That's pretty mean too. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: it all comes down to we are almost a year

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Speaker 1: out of what I think will be a tipping point

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Speaker 1: election by far in the country. Assuming now that this

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Speaker 1: is the Democratic side, it's Elizabeth Warrens to lose. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: look at her positions on everything. Well, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to pay back your student debt rate to care for all,

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Speaker 1: no private insurance, great, new green deal, get rid of

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Speaker 1: oil gas, the combustion engine. Great, you're gonna get free

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Speaker 1: pre K daycare, healthcare, free college, everything's free, guaranteed job,

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Speaker 1: healthy food, and retirement whether you're willing or unwilling to work.

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Speaker 1: And eventually planes in cows. They go to versus what

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Speaker 1: the president has been doing and offering and the promises

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Speaker 1: he's kept. One state that will define November election night

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty is the great state of Wisconsin. And joining

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Speaker 1: us now is the former governor. That's state. Scott Walker

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Speaker 1: is with us. And by the way, he's been fighting

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Speaker 1: on issues involving balanced budgets and fiscal sanity and letting

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Speaker 1: the states have more control, which I've always believed in. Governor.

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Speaker 1: How are you. It's great to talk to you, oh, Sean,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. It's a pleasure. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: well and I know you're doing well. In America's doing

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Speaker 1: always got to keep it going. Well. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: that's true, all right. You know Wisconsin as well as anybody.

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Speaker 1: I remember before twenty sixteen, I talked to a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that know your state that were telling me

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Speaker 1: Trump had no chance to win, and he did. Where

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Speaker 1: do you think he stands at this moment because I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's a particularly I don't think he's that

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Speaker 1: politician that you can poll with any particular amount of accuracy. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I think you're exactly right, John. I think it is

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Speaker 1: going to be a title action. Remember he carried the state,

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Speaker 1: which was the first time or Republican I carried it

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Speaker 1: since Reagan did in nineteen eighty four. He carried it

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Speaker 1: with a plurality that didn't get fifty percent, but got

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Speaker 1: more than Hillary Clinton. And I think it's going to

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Speaker 1: be that close again. If the facts get out, it

865
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Speaker 1: should be a blowout. But as it is across America,

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Speaker 1: we know that there are mini media outlets out there

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Speaker 1: that keep the voters from the facts, that the stort

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Speaker 1: the facts are just outright why out there. But I

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Speaker 1: think it's going to be incredibly close. A poll this

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Speaker 1: week from Fox News actually said he was down by

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Speaker 1: nine points. I remind people that day if it's a

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Speaker 1: Fox poll that you know, Dick Morris looked into the

873
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Speaker 1: internals of this the questions prior to the impeachment question

874
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Speaker 1: were you know, a negative towards Trump and number two

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Speaker 1: there were forty eight you know percent of respondents were Democrats,

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Speaker 1: only forty Republican. I mean, well, right, seean And the

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Speaker 1: kicker of this is where my point is that the

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Speaker 1: days before the twenty sixteen election, a Marquette University Law

879
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Speaker 1: school poll in the state was pretty historically fairly reliable

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Speaker 1: show Hillary Clinton winning by six points. Obviously she lost

881
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Speaker 1: the election. I think it is always true in our

882
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Speaker 1: state the Republicans poll lower than Democrats. I think it

883
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Speaker 1: is multiplied by Donald Trump because part of the reason

884
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Speaker 1: Republicans don't respond is they get tired of getting beat

885
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Speaker 1: up by the media and posters for supporting Republicans. I

886
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: think it's even more true of this president, and so

887
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Speaker 1: I think it is close. But on the other hand,

888
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Speaker 1: I would mourn those who, like myself, support the president.

889
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Speaker 1: We cannot take it for granted because Wisconsin the key

890
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Speaker 1: say you gotta win Wisconsin to win the president. Well,

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, And you know, I look at

892
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Speaker 1: the jobs that have been creative. Now I'll speak generally.

893
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Speaker 1: I see the people of Wisconsin as as the heart

894
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Speaker 1: and soul of America. The people that work hard, played

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Speaker 1: by the rules, pay their taxes, contribute to society, raise

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Speaker 1: their kids, and they are what makes America great. They

897
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Speaker 1: are They're not attracted to the swamp the sewer that

898
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Speaker 1: would be New York City or DC or San Francisco

899
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Speaker 1: or Los Angeles. Now here the president we you know,

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Speaker 1: the last eight years before President Trump got in an office,

901
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Speaker 1: we had thirteen million more Americans on food stamps, eight

902
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Speaker 1: million more in poverty, We had the worst recovery since

903
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Speaker 1: the forties, the lowest labor participation rate since the seventies.

904
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Speaker 1: Now we got seven million fewer people on food stamps,

905
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Speaker 1: millions out of poverty, seven million new jobs, energy independence,

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Speaker 1: and a president that's fighting for better trade deals that

907
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Speaker 1: will greatly impact particularly farmers and dairy farmers in the

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Speaker 1: great state of Wisconsin. So I think all of that

909
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Speaker 1: would be good for Wisconsin. To the people of Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: see that, or are they going to fall prey to

911
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Speaker 1: the media perceptions on the president. Well, I think it's

912
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Speaker 1: as split as it's ever been. People who get the facts.

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Speaker 1: I always tell people, take your thumb and put it

914
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Speaker 1: over the name of the person I'm talking about, which

915
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Speaker 1: is exactly the list you rat it off. If I

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Speaker 1: pointed out, not only is unemployment the lowest in America,

917
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Speaker 1: it's been in roughly fifty years. In Wisconsin, it's never

918
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Speaker 1: been lower than it's been the last year and a half.

919
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Speaker 1: It's been consistently added below three percent, which was the

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Speaker 1: previous all time low. You see record low unemployment levels

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Speaker 1: for African American, Latino American, people with disabilities, veterans in

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Speaker 1: this country. We see in Wisconsin, just as we see

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Speaker 1: nationally more job openings than we actually have people to

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Speaker 1: fill them. Ages are up. The economy is heading in

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Speaker 1: the right direction. And a prime example, Sean, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: that trade deal. You know, one of the biggest controversies

927
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Speaker 1: I think that doesn't get covered is why Speaker Pelosi

928
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Speaker 1: is sitting on this trade deal that the President negotiated

929
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Speaker 1: with Mexico and Canada that would help me only dairy

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Speaker 1: farmers in Wisconsin across the country and manufacturing workers. But

931
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Speaker 1: we can't get Pelosi to get up and vote on

932
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Speaker 1: it because she knows it'll pass if it gets voted on.

933
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Speaker 1: But they don't want to give this president a victory.

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Speaker 1: That is how shallow they have been becoming. Washington and

935
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Speaker 1: the American people got to fight back. Well, I agree.

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Speaker 1: Look stylistically, I'll take Paul Ryan for examples, and I

937
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: know he's a good friend of yours. Paul Ryan does

938
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Speaker 1: not like Donald Trump's style. Now, I've had this conversation

939
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Speaker 1: with Mitt Romney. I said, you know, Mit, I said,

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Speaker 1: I understand, you're a great guy. You're not a New

941
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Speaker 1: York real estate mogul who wakes up in the morning

942
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Speaker 1: and fights every day. You know, but they still when

943
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Speaker 1: you ran for president, they tried to paint you as

944
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Speaker 1: a racist and a misogynist and a sexist and a

945
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Speaker 1: homophobe and everything in between. They did the same thing

946
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Speaker 1: that John McCain. The only difference is Trump fought back.

947
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Speaker 1: But everything Mitt Romney ran on, Well, the President's putting

948
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Speaker 1: originalists on the court. He gave us the biggest tax

949
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Speaker 1: cut in history. The president also got rid of more

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Speaker 1: bureaucracy than every president in the past hundred years. He's

951
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Speaker 1: building the Wall. He delivered on trade deals with Japan,

952
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Speaker 1: Western Europe, Canada, Mexico, and he's trying now with China.

953
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Speaker 1: I mean, so, why do I establish Republicans hate um? Well,

954
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Speaker 1: he put the embassy in Jerusalem, as everyone else had promised,

955
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Speaker 1: but only he had the guts to do. He's the

956
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Speaker 1: most pro life president in modern American history, including even

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Speaker 1: more so than the guy I idolized, Ronald Reagans. He

958
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Speaker 1: had done it all. And one of the things stron

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Speaker 1: you'll appreciate this. I love seeing newly here in Wisconsin,

960
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Speaker 1: but across the nation, and that is Washington is filled

961
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Speaker 1: with politicians who say and talk the right way, but

962
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Speaker 1: don't do squad On occasion, this president might say or

963
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Speaker 1: tweet something somewhat different than I had a lot of

964
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Speaker 1: people have been Westwood. But you know what, I'll take

965
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Speaker 1: that because he actually gets the job done. I'll take

966
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Speaker 1: that over people who talk right but don't get the

967
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Speaker 1: job done. We got a president who gets the job done,

968
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Speaker 1: and we need to remind our fellow citizens, our neighbors

969
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Speaker 1: or friends, the people we worship with that's the only

970
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Speaker 1: way he's going to win this election. That's the only

971
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Speaker 1: way to count the onslaught of attacks. And believe me,

972
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Speaker 1: we know it. We saw it here in Wisconsin. You

973
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: covered it. You know what we faced. We had. How

974
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Speaker 1: many elections did you have and how many years? Because

975
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: they were after you every day they were. They actually

976
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Speaker 1: registered a website domain name called recall Scott Walker dot

977
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Speaker 1: com on the day I was elected at twenty ten.

978
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Speaker 1: I can absolutely relate to the president. They've been trying

979
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: to impeach him since they wanted it. Didn't matter what

980
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Speaker 1: it was. I mean, Mike Goodness, as you've covered, Nancy

981
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Speaker 1: Pelosi hadn't even read the transcript before she announced it.

982
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Speaker 1: This is what we're up against here in Wisconsin, across

983
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Speaker 1: the nation, people who care not just about themselves, but

984
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: care about their kids, their grandkids in future generations. I

985
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: got to stand up because we cannot let whether it's

986
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Laurren or Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders or any

987
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: of the other socialist or want to be socialist out

988
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: there control of this country, because they will set us

989
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: back so far. Let me ask the direct question you're in.

990
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Speaker 1: Let's assume I'm right, and it's Elizabeth warrens to lose.

991
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: It's Trump versus Warren. Look and assume for a minute too,

992
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Speaker 1: that they impeach the president. It goes nowhere in the

993
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: Senate over nothing. I mean, it's the most ridiculous thing

994
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Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Okay, who wins in Wisconsin's if it's

995
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren. You know her positions as well as this

996
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: audience does. Yeah, I think more than the fact that

997
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: she's a socialist, more of the fact that she wants

998
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Speaker 1: to shut down dairy farmers and get rid of planes

999
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: and do all sorts of things that would not fare

1000
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Speaker 1: well Wisconsin. I think the biggest problem she's going to

1001
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Speaker 1: have in Wisconsin. Why Trump will win against Elizabeth Lawn

1002
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: is because she's a fraud. I firmly believe voters who

1003
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: were on the bubble in Wisconsin did not vote for

1004
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: Hillary because they thought she would do and say absolutely

1005
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 1: anything to get elected. It may not have always agreed

1006
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Speaker 1: with what the president said, but they knew he was

1007
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: a straight shooter who said what he was going to do.

1008
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Speaker 1: With that he has done it, and I think that's

1009
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Speaker 1: a great contrast. The biggest worry I have isn't her

1010
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Speaker 1: or by It's Bernie Sanders. As crazy as his ideas are,

1011
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: the one thing I'll give him is he is who

1012
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: he says he is. The others are just want to

1013
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: be who will say anything to get elected. Well, I

1014
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: think Elizabeth Warren basically adopts everything Bernie adopts and then

1015
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Speaker 1: puts it on steroids exactly. I mean, she's further to

1016
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Speaker 1: the lip it. I mean even this stuff with her

1017
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: false claim about not going to get job as a teacher,

1018
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Speaker 1: the false claim about her Native American heritage, all those things.

1019
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Speaker 1: I think for people who are up in the air,

1020
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Speaker 1: those are things that really strike them. As you mentioned

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Speaker 1: in your introduction, the people in the Midwest year are honest, good, decent,

1022
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: hardworking people. They'll treat you nice, but they stand up

1023
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: for their values, and more than anything else, they value

1024
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: people who are authentic, people who tell the truth, who

1025
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Speaker 1: tell it like it is. That's what this president it does.

1026
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Speaker 1: People like Elizabeth Lawn are just posers who shift this way. Governor,

1027
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Speaker 1: she's trying to shake it from Bernie. Stay right there.

1028
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Speaker 1: I know you're working on dead issues. I want to

1029
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Speaker 1: ask you about that, Governor Scott Walker, Wisconsin with US

1030
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Speaker 1: eight hundred and nine for one Sean Tolfrey telephone number

1031
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Speaker 1: at the top of the hour. Wow, if you haven't

1032
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: seen the allegation about Matt Lower the front cover of

1033
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: Today's New York Post. Matt Lower raped me. I mean

1034
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Speaker 1: this back and forth in this new book by Ronan Farrow.

1035
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Speaker 1: We'll get into that with Danielle and Jonathan and also

1036
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Speaker 1: the issue of the NBA in China as right as

1037
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Speaker 1: we continue. Former Governor Great State of Wisconsin, Scott Walker.

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Speaker 1: By the way, how are you packers this year? They

1039
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: look pretty good. Aaron Rodgers is amazing. Yeah, big big

1040
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Speaker 1: gwinn in the Cowboy territory of Texas. Oh, I mean

1041
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Speaker 1: was a blowout. That was a great game. Let me

1042
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Speaker 1: ask you this, so I agree with you, and I

1043
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Speaker 1: think Trump is facing the same scenario that Reagan faced.

1044
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: Reagan comes into office, he called the military divide a

1045
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,919
Speaker 1: gap of vulnerability because ships couldn't go out to see

1046
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: they didn't have spare parts. He had to spend a

1047
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Speaker 1: lot of money in his first term in particular, and

1048
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Speaker 1: it didn't put the debt up. And President Trump to

1049
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Speaker 1: get the money to rebuild the military, you know, similarly

1050
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Speaker 1: is and he's saying it. He spent more money than

1051
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Speaker 1: he ever wanted to, but that's how he got the

1052
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: deal done. And he plans on dealing with the debt

1053
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Speaker 1: in the second term, assuming he gets it. This thing

1054
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: is hanging over our head. We got to get rid

1055
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Speaker 1: of it, and you're trying to deal with it. Well,

1056
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Speaker 1: that's exactly right, and a lot better off right now

1057
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Speaker 1: if he didn't have to get things through Nancy Pelosi's

1058
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Speaker 1: house this last year. Long term, obviously we're better off

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Speaker 1: if Kevin McCarthy's there and there's a whole new slave

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Speaker 1: of leaders. But even beyond this president and get God

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Speaker 1: willing he gets reelected long term, we've seen this is

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Speaker 1: one of those issues that goes through administrations and to

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Speaker 1: your commerses at both parties. The way Washington is set up,

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Speaker 1: I just think the Congress is incapable of reigning in

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Speaker 1: the deficit. And it turned the long term debt. You know,

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Speaker 1: it nearly doubled when Bush was president, it nearly doubled

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Speaker 1: when Obama's president. It's approaching by twenty twenty five thirty

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Speaker 1: trillion dollars. And those numbers sound so big, but I

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Speaker 1: tell people that's like having a kid making forty six

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Speaker 1: grand a year carrying three hundred thousand dollars worth of debt.

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Speaker 1: And that's just one of the things that we'd all

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Speaker 1: have an intervention with that person to get them back

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Speaker 1: on track. They're spending more than they take in the

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Speaker 1: federalgrament's got to do. What The good news is, there's

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Speaker 1: a solution. We can pass a balanced budget min and

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Speaker 1: just like Reagan push for, and the way to do

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Speaker 1: it is not to rely on Congress, is to get

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Speaker 1: two thirds of the states to do it. Twenty eight

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Speaker 1: of the thirty four needed have already passed it, and

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Speaker 1: we've got a plan over the next two years to

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Speaker 1: get those last remaining six states. All right, Scott Walker,

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Speaker 1: by the way, it's been a while, You've always been

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Speaker 1: a good friend of the program. I know you're going

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Speaker 1: to help the president and as real luck, would you

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Speaker 1: ever consider going into the administration? Well, I told the

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Speaker 1: President earlier this year the best way I can help

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Speaker 1: him is make sure he wins the states. So I'm

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Speaker 1: proud to be as chairman in Wisconsin and we'll see

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Speaker 1: what God's got planned for the future. But we got

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Speaker 1: to get him elected first and foremost. We got to

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Speaker 1: get him some help in the House, and we've got

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Speaker 1: to take on long term mus issues like the balance budget.

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Speaker 1: So we've got more details at Scott Walker dot com.

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Speaker 1: But we'd love to have people join our fight here

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Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, across the nation. All right, Governor, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. Eight hundred and nine four one. Sean,

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Speaker 1: you want to be a part of the program. Wow,

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Speaker 1: the issue the NBA and China, the front cover tabloid

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Speaker 1: New York New York Post, Matt Lower raped me. Wow,

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that, Danielle Jonathan. Next, stay right here

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Speaker 1: for our final news round up and information overload. After

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Speaker 1: so many people have been chasing this for so long,

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Speaker 1: why do you think they are now coming forward. Look,

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Speaker 1: each of these sources really tore their guts out giving

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Speaker 1: these horrifying details. This was a traumatic experience to relieve

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Speaker 1: these events, and there's very little upside for them. You know.

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Speaker 1: This was a brave and iportant thing they did, and

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Speaker 1: they did it because they thought it could prevent potentially

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Speaker 1: future crimes. Again and again, sources talked about doing that

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Speaker 1: because they felt there was a change in the culture,

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Speaker 1: that there was more of a culture accountability now. As

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Speaker 1: something you may know, I issued a statement shortly before

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Speaker 1: this press conference because I thought there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of misunderstanding out there about our position. I thought we

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Speaker 1: had been somewhat straightforward, but I can understand, given translations

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Speaker 1: and given interpretations in different parts of the world, why

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Speaker 1: there might have been some confusion. And essentially what I've

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Speaker 1: said in that statement is the long held values of

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Speaker 1: the NBA are to support freedom of expression and certainly

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Speaker 1: freedom of expression by members of the NBA community, and

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Speaker 1: in this case, Daryl Morey, as the general manager of

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Speaker 1: the Houston Rockets, enjoys that right as one of our employees.

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Speaker 1: What I also tried to suggest is I understand that

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Speaker 1: there are consequences from that exercise, in essence his freedom

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Speaker 1: of speech, and you know, we will have to live

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Speaker 1: with those consequences. It's my hope that for our Chinese

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Speaker 1: fans and our partners in China, they will see those

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Speaker 1: remarks in the context of now a three decade, if

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Speaker 1: not longer, relationship and that we've done in partnership with

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Speaker 1: the Chinese Basketball Association, the Department of Education, and many

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Speaker 1: different businesses in China. I feel enormous amount to build

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Speaker 1: the sport, to work in communities, to focus on healthy lifestyles,

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Speaker 1: and that's where we find ourselves. But that as a

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Speaker 1: league we are not willing to compromise those values. And

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Speaker 1: again I'm sympathetic to our interests here and to our

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Speaker 1: partners who are upset, and I don't think it's inconsistent

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Speaker 1: on one hand to be sympathetic to them and at

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Speaker 1: the same time stand by our principles. We are not

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Speaker 1: apologizing for Darryl exercising his freedom of expression. I regret

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Speaker 1: again having communicated directly with many friends in China, that

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Speaker 1: so many people are upset, including millions and millions of

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Speaker 1: our fans. I mean, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: you know, we come with basketball as an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: sell dreams, sell hopes that to you know, reacently focus

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Speaker 1: on physical fitness. Hi, Christina mcfallen's CNN. The NBA has

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Speaker 1: always been a league that prides itself on its player

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Speaker 1: and its coaches being able to speak out openly about

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Speaker 1: political and societal affairs. I just wonder, after the events

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Speaker 1: of this week and the fall out we've seen, whether

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Speaker 1: you would both feel differently about speaking out in that

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01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: way in future. It's a legitimate question. This is an

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Speaker 1: event that's happened this week during during the NBA, and

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Speaker 1: the answer this particular question has not been listed Jane An,

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Speaker 1: you have a question, gentlemen in friends all right? That

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01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: was that last cut. That was a question of a

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Speaker 1: reporter and not allowing NBA players to even be asked

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Speaker 1: a single question about about this entire issue. You know,

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Speaker 1: Jason Whitlock, who was with Fox Sports one, was almos

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Speaker 1: Us on Hannity last night. I mean, it's it's devastating,

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Speaker 1: um because you have the NBA commissioner, you know, Adam

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Speaker 1: silver Is, you know, where is he on this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: They have no problem with NBA players trashing Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: on a daily basis, but China. Now, Whitlock made an

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Speaker 1: interesting point. He thinks it's all connected to Nike. That

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Speaker 1: the NBA is an eight billion dollars a year business,

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Speaker 1: which I had no idea about, But Nike's like forty

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Speaker 1: billion dollars a year, and a lot of it comes

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Speaker 1: down to money in all of this, and the NBA just,

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Speaker 1: you know, basically, you know, bowing down to communist Chinese

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Speaker 1: and they're not going to allow anybody to speak out

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Speaker 1: or stand for freedom as it relates to Hong Kong

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Speaker 1: and the Chinese crack down there. And before that, you

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Speaker 1: heard Matt Lower hailing Ronan Farrow for exposing the Harvey

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Speaker 1: Weinstein scandal. Well, I don't think he feels the same

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Speaker 1: way today. The front page headline in the New York

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Speaker 1: Post as Matt Lower raped me, NBC anchor all lies.

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Speaker 1: We had a consensual affair, And it's a back and

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Speaker 1: forth between the two of them. It's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't even know how to interpret it.

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Speaker 1: She claimed that that he raped her, and he's claiming

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Speaker 1: that is false, and I don't know how to How

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Speaker 1: does one ascertain the truth in a lot of these cases? Now?

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Speaker 1: He also goes on to say nothing could be further

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Speaker 1: from the truth. There was nothing aggressive about the encounter.

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Speaker 1: She didn't cry, she didn't do this, and at no

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Speaker 1: time did she behave in any way that made it

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Speaker 1: appear that she was incapable of consent. And then apparently

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Speaker 1: he's claiming that this extramarital affair went on for some

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Speaker 1: time thereafter, wasn't just a one night thing in so

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Speaker 1: she or apparently this started anyway. Joining us to help

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Speaker 1: break all this men this down and maybe get to

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Speaker 1: some truth. Here is Jonathan Gillum and Danielle McLaughlin. Thank

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Speaker 1: you both for being with us, Danielle, let's start with

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Speaker 1: the lour issue. Two very distinctly different accounts here by

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Speaker 1: two individuals. How do we get to truth in a

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Speaker 1: moment like that? Okay, Sean, Hey, Jonathan, it's it's madness

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Speaker 1: this right, it's it's so hard to know in these

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Speaker 1: situations with all the information we have, which is frankly

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Speaker 1: not that much. An excerpt from Ronan Farrow's book What

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Speaker 1: Really Happened Here? And you know, see, this is what

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Speaker 1: we have the legal system for. If she wants to

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Speaker 1: press charges, if she wants to follow this through, she

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01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: will have every opportunity to do that, and a jury

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Speaker 1: of their peers will get to the truth. Clearly, this

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Speaker 1: is going to be discussed in media. There are always

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Speaker 1: concerns where you have to the people in positions of

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Speaker 1: power and under these circumstances, and there are always problems

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Speaker 1: when you have issues of alcohol. She claims she was

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Speaker 1: incapable of consent because she had had, I think in

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Speaker 1: a lot of vodka that night when they were all out.

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Speaker 1: She said she had six shots of acca. But what

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Speaker 1: Lauer is saying that it was an extramarital affair, but

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Speaker 1: consensual sexual encounters and saying that he had this affair

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Speaker 1: with her beginning in twenty fourteen when she came to

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Speaker 1: his room late one night in Sochi, Russia. Again that's

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, and she said that she and Lower did

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Speaker 1: go on to have more sexual encounters, some of which

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Speaker 1: she initiated. It was completely transactional. Transactional, she says, not

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Speaker 1: a relationship. Does that impact the story at all that

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Speaker 1: after this incident, as she didn't report it and be

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Speaker 1: she continued to have then she moved on to an

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Speaker 1: affair with him if you believe her account in the

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Speaker 1: first place. I know, as a matter of law, you know,

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Speaker 1: all of those things may come before a jury, and

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Speaker 1: there are instances where people are married and there are

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Speaker 1: a sexual assault within that marriage. So consent is what

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Speaker 1: matters here and the facts will come out if this

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Speaker 1: in fact comes into into a legal situation. This is

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Speaker 1: awful and horrible, and I have great sympathy, particularly for

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Speaker 1: her because she is the person who is not in

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Speaker 1: a position of power. But it's not for me to

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Speaker 1: assist who was right and who was wrong, and who

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Speaker 1: was telling the truth and who was lying. That's how

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Speaker 1: courts are for all, right. Jonathan Gillham, what's your take

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Speaker 1: on first Allower situation. Then we'll get to the NBA

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Speaker 1: in China. Well, so I try to stay very, very

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Speaker 1: neutral and unemotional in these situations because we don't know

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Speaker 1: what the truth is. I think Danielle said something there

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Speaker 1: that is typical of society now. And I'm not just

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Speaker 1: saying liberals a typical society where they say I'm sympathetic

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01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: for the female because of this, but we don't know

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Speaker 1: what happened. Well, I don't apply sympathy or emotions in

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01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: a case like this, where allegations are made like this

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Speaker 1: in the court of public opinion, because we don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we don't even know the reality of any

1246
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Speaker 1: of this stuff because it's one person saying something and

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Speaker 1: the other person saying another one, and a reporter, not

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Speaker 1: a law enforcement officer who's collected evidence at the moment

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Speaker 1: of the crime. We're not talking about something like that.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about a reporter who is going to make

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Speaker 1: money off of a book, and the more salacious he

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Speaker 1: can make it, the better. And so that's I don't

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Speaker 1: put a lot of stock in these types of things.

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Speaker 1: And I think this bad part about this is that

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Speaker 1: for people who are actually raped and who go through

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01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: these situations. The way that the public looks at it

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Speaker 1: now is there are a lot of people are afraid

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Speaker 1: to bring these allegations out because they're afraid of repercussions,

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Speaker 1: and so they don't go and report it right away.

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Speaker 1: That or, like I was saying, you know, I've been

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Speaker 1: saying this for years, since I've been on radio and TV.

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Speaker 1: It's something like this happens tone and you're afraid to

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Speaker 1: come out, write down what happened, have a witness, sign

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Speaker 1: it still the envelope, and send it to yourself. At

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Speaker 1: least you're going to say this is from that day

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Speaker 1: and age. And we just have people who are not

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Speaker 1: at this point, who are not thinking in that why

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Speaker 1: they're just saying, well, we're not going to do anything,

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Speaker 1: and then they bring it in the court of public opinion,

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Speaker 1: and if it actually did happen to them, it kind

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Speaker 1: of degrades their story. And that's a sad part about this.

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Speaker 1: I just I've really done a pretty good job I

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Speaker 1: think learning a lesson of Richard Jewell, and instinctively I said, well,

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Speaker 1: just because he lives with his mother doesn't mean he

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Speaker 1: fit the profile. Of the lone bomber. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about this a lot, Danielle on this show.

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Speaker 1: We we withhold judgment. We believe in due process. You know,

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Speaker 1: look at the rest of look a look at the

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Speaker 1: rest of the media mob. We were right about Uva.

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Speaker 1: We were right about the Ducal Cross situation. We ended

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Speaker 1: up being right about Ferguson Missouri and George Zimmerman and Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: Maryland and Cambridge police. We were right about vetting Obama.

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Speaker 1: We were right in the end. I think Kavanaugh, that

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Speaker 1: whole story fell apart, right about this kid, Nicholas Sandman

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Speaker 1: and everybody else rushes to judgment. I just I cannot

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Speaker 1: tell my audience that I know what happened in the

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Speaker 1: matt lower case. I don't know. No, and you don't,

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Speaker 1: and Jonathan doesn't and I don't and I certainly don't

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Speaker 1: profess to know. And thing they both say is that

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Speaker 1: they had an extra marital affair. She's saying that it

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Speaker 1: was initiated with being raped in Sochi in Russia in

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, right, And I will say, there's a reason

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Speaker 1: we have courts of law to determine what really to

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Speaker 1: get to the facts. So there isn't a sort of

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Speaker 1: this trial in the public, okay, based on what we

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Speaker 1: have in the record and that he said she said,

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Speaker 1: how does that play out in a courtroom? In your view?

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. One thing I will say

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Speaker 1: is if she accuses him of a crime and that

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Speaker 1: is found to be false, as she's lying that five

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Speaker 1: years after the fact, apparently she but hey, we know

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Speaker 1: she didn't file a police report. It's five years now

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Speaker 1: after them. It's not unusual. Okay, I've granted it's not.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I'm agreeing with you. That's why I'm asking.

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Speaker 1: But it's five years later. She didn't file on an

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Speaker 1: initial report. She had the extramarital affair, by her own

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Speaker 1: admission later. So bring it to a court of law.

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Speaker 1: How does that play out you're the lawyer. Come down

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Speaker 1: to it's going to come down to the credibility of

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Speaker 1: the two of them. It's going to come down to

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Speaker 1: Hoojura's belief. That's that's all that really matters in this case.

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Speaker 1: She could have married him, and she could still, you know,

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Speaker 1: bring a claim if she believes that she has the

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Speaker 1: facts to do it. My point is that there could

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Speaker 1: be along an ongoing sexual you know, engagement. Walk us

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Speaker 1: through the court process. I'm asking you very specifically, it's

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Speaker 1: in a court of law, Yes, walk us through. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Lowers lawyers go after her right, okay, So that it

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Speaker 1: was consentual. They're going to say it was consentual, and

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Speaker 1: that was evidence by the fact that she was in

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Speaker 1: a long term relationship with him. Okay. Now, now, shar

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Speaker 1: lawyers are going to say, yeah, she did have the

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Speaker 1: consensual relationship later, but this did happen, correct, So now

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Speaker 1: maybe she told somebody at the time. Okay, Let's let's

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Speaker 1: assume that happened, okay, and reportedly she did. Reportedly they

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Speaker 1: were she had Jonathan, you made this point earlier, the

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Speaker 1: sort of contemporaneous reporting, So you write something down, or

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Speaker 1: you tell a friend. The laws of the rules of

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Speaker 1: evidence in a courtroom give a lot of stock to

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Speaker 1: to to win. A person who has is making accusation

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Speaker 1: or is innocent of something tells somebody else at the time,

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Speaker 1: there is weight given to those statements on the basis

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Speaker 1: that they are generally reliable. So if she told a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, if she confided in someone, that boosts

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Speaker 1: that bolst is her credibility. Well, you know, again, we

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Speaker 1: don't know what the truth is. But when you are

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Speaker 1: looking at credibility, if they were to bring up the

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Speaker 1: stuff that mattl Oerson, you know, it goes both ways

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Speaker 1: because the court is gonna air on the facts, and

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Speaker 1: if the facts are hearsay, it's just simply it's what

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Speaker 1: you see in the media every day with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: They're just trying to destroy credibility. And that's exactly what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen if this would ever come to a case.

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Speaker 1: But I honestly don't see how this could come to

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Speaker 1: a case myself. If it does, it's a frivolous case.

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Speaker 1: And I think that you know, the attorneys are that

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Speaker 1: are going to be going back and forth on this

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Speaker 1: are really going to be trying to push the fact.

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Speaker 1: At least Matt Lower's attorneys would be pushing the fact

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Speaker 1: that she didn't work for him under his authority, they

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Speaker 1: had continuous affair. What if she's telling the truth though,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know they're gonna say that again, I'm

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Speaker 1: playing devil's advocate. Yeah. Now, that's that's the hard part

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Speaker 1: about this, and that's why I always that's what I

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Speaker 1: always saying, you know when I if I ask people

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Speaker 1: on things is if something happened to your first thing

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Speaker 1: I do is tell somebody. The second thing you gotta

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Speaker 1: do is you need to get a rape kit. You

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Speaker 1: need to get things done because this is you don't

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Speaker 1: want to get yourself into this situation. All right, thank

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Speaker 1: you both hard issues, and I'll tell you. And then

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Speaker 1: we didn't get time to get to the China issue

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Speaker 1: with the NBA. We'll hit that at the other side

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Speaker 1: of this break. Eight hundred and nine for one Sean

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Speaker 1: Tolfrey telephone number HI twenty five to the top of

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Speaker 1: the hour. All right, let me play the Today's Show.

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Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie and Hoda reacting to the front cover of

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Speaker 1: the New York Post today, Matt Lower raped For the

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Speaker 1: first time, we're hearing from the woman who's complaint led

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Speaker 1: to Matt Lower's fiery The former NBC News employee, whose

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Speaker 1: identity has been kept anonymous by NBC News at her request,

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Speaker 1: is now speaking out publicly. The woman Brooke Neville's sat

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Speaker 1: down with Ronan Farrow for his new book, Catch and Kill.

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Speaker 1: NBC News has not obtained a copy of the book,

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Speaker 1: but Variety did and release details of her interview overnight

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Speaker 1: in the book, Neville's alleged lower raped her in his

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Speaker 1: hotel room at the twenty fourteen Socie Olympics, Like we

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Speaker 1: owe it to our viewers to pause for a moment.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is shocking and appalling, and I honestly

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Speaker 1: don't even know what to say about it. I want

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Speaker 1: to say that we I know it wasn't easy for

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Speaker 1: our colleague book to come forward, then it's not easy now,

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Speaker 1: and we support her and any women who have come

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Speaker 1: forward with claims, and it's just very painful for all

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Speaker 1: of us at NBC and who are at the Today Show,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it's very, very, very difficult. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at you and I'm having a weird moment that we

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Speaker 1: were sitting here just like this two years ago, and

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Speaker 1: truth be told, Savannah, I did a little prayer upstairs

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Speaker 1: just before, just to sort of sort out what we

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Speaker 1: were going to do. And I think it's it's like

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Speaker 1: you feel like you've known someone for twelve years. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have ever felt like that.

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Speaker 1: You know someone, you know them, you feel like you

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Speaker 1: know them inside and out, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: like a door opens up and it's a part of

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Speaker 1: them you didn't know, and we don't know all the

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Speaker 1: facts and all of this, but there are not allegations

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Speaker 1: of an affair. There are allegations of a crime, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's shocking to all of us here who've

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Speaker 1: sat with Matt for many, many years. So I think

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Speaker 1: we're gonna just sort of continue to process this part

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Speaker 1: of this horrific story. And as you said, you know

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Speaker 1: our thoughts or with Brook that's not easy. What she

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Speaker 1: did to come forward not easy at all, And I

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Speaker 1: think I speak for all of us. We're disturbed in

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Speaker 1: our core. Yeah, and we have a commitment to keep

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Speaker 1: even for house and we will continue to do that. Well,

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Speaker 1: then this what we played earlier, I'll play it again,

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Speaker 1: Matt Lower hailing the author of this book, Ronan Farroh,

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Speaker 1: on a previous occasion for exposing Harvey Weinstein and that scandal.

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Speaker 1: Ronan Farrow was a contributor for The New Yorker and

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Speaker 1: an NBC News contributing correspondent as well. Ronan, good morning

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Speaker 1: to you. You've been working this story for a long time,

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Speaker 1: both for NBC News and The New Yorker. I know

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Speaker 1: it has been a long and difficult process to get

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Speaker 1: these actresses to be identified and go on the record

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Speaker 1: with their allegations. After so many people have been chasing

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Speaker 1: this for so long, why do you think they are

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Speaker 1: now coming forward. Look, each of these sources really tore

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Speaker 1: their guts out giving these horrifying details. This was a

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Speaker 1: traumatic experience to relieve these events, and there's very little

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Speaker 1: upside for them. You know, this was a brave and

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Speaker 1: important thing they did, and they did it because they

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Speaker 1: thought it could prevent potentially crimes. Again and again. Source

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Speaker 1: has talked about doing that because they felt there was

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Speaker 1: a change in the culture, that there is more of

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Speaker 1: a culture accountability. Now, all right, eight hundred ninety four one, Sean,

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Speaker 1: I'm we're gonna get to your calls here. I look,

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Speaker 1: I see you guys have really engaged in this. I

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Speaker 1: think I said it best with Danielle and Jonathan. I

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Speaker 1: don't know the answer. I think we've done a very

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Speaker 1: good job on this program of believing in due process, Linda.

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Speaker 1: Take for example, with the Abanati case. Remember Avanati's girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: You know he had three separate jurisdictions investigating him. Now,

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Speaker 1: I could have treated Abanati the way he treated Justice

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Speaker 1: Kavanaugh with Julie sweat Nick. But that's not who we

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Speaker 1: are and that's not what we do. And I learned

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Speaker 1: that lesson with Richard Jewell. It has served us this

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Speaker 1: program and my TV show well over the years. You know,

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01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 1: how is it everybody in the media gets it wrong

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01:20:55,720 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: about Nicholas Sandman rush to judgment, Justice Cavanaugh, rush to judgment,

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01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, Duke Lacrosse rushed to judgment UVA, same story,

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Speaker 1: Ferguson Missouri, same story, Freddie Gray Baltimore, creating an expectation

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Speaker 1: of a result that was never going to happen. And

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Speaker 1: we work our sources. You know. For example, I knew

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Speaker 1: early on when nobody else knew. I had sources off

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Speaker 1: the record telling me we have eyewitnesses that contradict everything

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Speaker 1: that is that the media is telling us. I knew it,

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Speaker 1: so I worked my sources. Same with in the case,

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Speaker 1: going back to Richard Jewell, you know. Or for example,

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Speaker 1: when the Duke Lacrosse situation happened, Well, okay, they're making

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Speaker 1: allegations against kids. Some of these kids came from New York.

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Speaker 1: I went out to their house and I talked to

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Speaker 1: some of the parents and kids and I got a

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Speaker 1: different side of the story. And what eighty ninety Duke

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Speaker 1: professors at the time, you know, basically saying they're all

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Speaker 1: guilty and you don't know. You read a headline like this,

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Speaker 1: Matt Lower raped me, and Matt Lower came out with

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Speaker 1: a statement absolutely denying it. The one thing that they

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Speaker 1: did agree on is after this incident in twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: in Sochi, Russia, that they did have an ongoing affair.

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Speaker 1: They both admit to that. But then again, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's five years later. How does this play out? Where's

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Speaker 1: the truth? What if she did tell apparently she did

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Speaker 1: tell people at the time it had happened. You're all

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Speaker 1: looking at me like I don't know the answer. I'm

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Speaker 1: I am saying I don't know, But that's what we

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Speaker 1: always do until we do know. We were right about

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Speaker 1: Trump Russia collusion. Nobody else was, and we're also right

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Speaker 1: about this Ukraine thing with Joe Biden. Nobody else is

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Speaker 1: reporting that Joe Biden's on tape admitting it. Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: your thoughts, I mean, listen, you know, we could talk

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Speaker 1: about this all day, and I'm sure the audience hang on.

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Speaker 1: We can talk about it all about it all day,

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01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, talk about it. We'll have a couple of coffee,

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01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: will talk about it. You know, I mean, I mean,

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01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 1: if he did it, I'm like, oh my gosh, somebody

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01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 1: like that. No presumption of innocence. Now, listen, the guy's

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01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: got a little bit of a sketchy past, right, got

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Speaker 1: a button under his desk that locks in his office. Okay,

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01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: that's weird. We'll hang on. He denied that too in

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01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 1: my statement. Now, there are multiple women that have come

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01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 1: out and said I was in his office, there is

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Speaker 1: a button. Until I see that desk with the button,

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Speaker 1: I don't believe anything, right, because that's that's the whole

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01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 1: point of being presumed innocent until proven guilty. You know,

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01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 1: one person's word against another person's word is not guilt.

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01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: You know. The only other way to get guilt beyond

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01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: the evidence is at an emission, you know. So it's

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Speaker 1: that's why it's interesting how it parallels to the Biden thing. Right,

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01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: So mainstream networks are not giving Biden anytime. We're not hearing,

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01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: we're not hearing about what he did, what his son did.

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01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: You know how much money these guys made, where it

1495
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 1: came from the funneling, you know, we spent twenty five

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01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 1: million tacks pay of dollars to find out that the

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01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: president had nothing to do with Russia. Since Russia didn't

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01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: work out, we're gonna look at Ukraine. We have evidence

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01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 1: of previous presidents and vice presidents doing the faious things.

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01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: Whether it was giving one hundred and fifty billion dollars

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01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 1: and unmarked bills to Iranian mullahs, whether it was Obama

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01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: giving over two million dollars to Hezbollah and Hamas in

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01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 1: the last three days of his presidency, whether it's Joe

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01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 1: Biden and his son benefiting from Borisma holdings. It doesn't

1505
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: matter what it is. None of that matters to them.

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01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: And so now they're trying to hold Matt Loward at

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01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 1: the same standards because they're like, oh no, well, you know,

1508
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 1: we bash these guys, so now we gotta stick with it. So,

1509
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, we just bash everybody. Everybody's guilty until proven innocent.

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01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. It's outrageous, and I'm sorry,

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01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 1: but instinctively I just can't be that person that rush

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01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,639
Speaker 1: us to judgment night, but beyond even Russian to judgment,

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01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, no, hold on one second. As a woman.

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Speaker 1: All right, Okay, I hang on one second. You know,

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01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 1: like a somebody. You know, if some he raped me,

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01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: I would not continue to see them. I would not

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01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: marry them. Now, I'm not saying that that happens. It

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01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it didn't happen. Not to say it didn't happen,

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01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 1: but man, it just seems really odd to me that

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01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: you're you're raped, it's traumatic, and then you willfully continue dating.

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01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 1: And she's talking about an act of violence. And I'm

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01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 1: not going to go into the details. That is like, right,

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01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 1: So the thing that blows you away, Like, the thing

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01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,560
Speaker 1: that's strange is that she says that she consented to

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01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: continue to date him, not that she was pushed into

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01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 1: dating him. Like if it was like, hey, I did

1527
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: this to you and you're going to deal with it,

1528
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: or you're not going anywhere at NBC and I'm going

1529
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: to make sure you never have a career in this business.

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01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 1: Somebody is I don't. I honestly believe that there are

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01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:48,560
Speaker 1: psychological forces that I am not equipped to understand. I'm

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01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 1: saying that up front. You know, it's sort of like

1533
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: the Stockholm syndrome is a real thing. It really happens

1534
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: where you sympathize with your captor. That was a big

1535
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 1: issue with the Patty Hurst case, for example. I don't know,

1536
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: and almost you have to my view, separate what might

1537
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 1: have happened after this from what actually she's saying that

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01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 1: he did, because I don't know. I don't understand in

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01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: any way, shape, manner, or form the psychology of any

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01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 1: of it. I don't tell you a really sad story

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01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 1: because I would on the face of it, I would

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01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: agree doesn't That doesn't make sense to me, But it

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01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it didn't happen either. So get this. I

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01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: got a friend, right, my son, Wicked Smont going to

1545
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: college YadA, YadA, YadA, carries around these little pieces of

1546
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 1: paper prince Himount and says, I consent to go out

1547
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 1: with we'll call him Joe. Joe has space for the

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01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: date this was illegally. I was not I was not drugged,

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01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 1: I was not forced. I consent to the date, and um,

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01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, willfully went up on this. And then he

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01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 1: has another one in case they decided to sleep together,

1552
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 1: or in case they decided to do anything else. He

1553
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: has everything in writing because so many of his friends

1554
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 1: on campus are being accused of things that didn't happen.

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01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 1: How sad is this? I mean, you know, it's really

1556
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 1: sad that there are people that do these evil, horrific,

1557
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 1: violent things. And I think it's hard. And I used

1558
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 1: to say this in my speech when I wrote the

1559
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 1: book Deliverers from Evil. That's two thousand and four, that's

1560
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago I wrote that book, and I would say,

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01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 1: I think good people have a very hard time wrapping

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01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 1: their minds around violence and evil. You know, we just

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01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 1: report every weekend or after a weekend, how many people

1564
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 1: were shot in Chicago. We don't even think about it anymore.

1565
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: But I mean, think of if you're the mother of

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01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,640
Speaker 1: the father and it's your kid that got shot. You

1567
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: have little kids getting shot. I remember the day that

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01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: I scrolled the names of all the people shot in Chicago,

1569
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 1: all the people killed in Chicago on TV. Names you

1570
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: never hear of. There's so many things that we don't

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01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 1: hear about because they just don't fit the date. We

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01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 1: have murder people have to death in France, right but

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01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: we don't talk about it because they're not looking at

1574
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,560
Speaker 1: band knives, they're looking at band guns. We have a

1575
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 1: synagogue attacked in Germany. We're not talking about it because

1576
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 1: that doesn't fit a narrative. We got people being shot

1577
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 1: in Kansas, but we have twenty to thirty to forty

1578
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 1: to fifty people being shot in Chicago every weekend. So

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01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 1: four people sign Kansas. I'm like, guys, none of this

1580
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: makes sense the way that we're reacting anymore. Think about

1581
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: how we we We just accept that this exists. I mean,

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01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 1: you can't even go on a subway in New York.

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01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: What do I always say to everybody that works for you,

1584
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: don't take the subway. Don't take this. I say, I'll

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01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 1: pay for the car. You know what I do, take

1586
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 1: the subway. I'll take the subway. You don't listen to me.

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01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:42,759
Speaker 1: That's all right. They're afraid of me. It's okay, okay,

1588
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 1: but you're a psycho. I mean I'm not. But you know,

1589
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 1: in all, I got no fight just the other day

1590
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 1: on this lubway. Of course, shocking, right. You know why

1591
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: because I said to the guy who said he had

1592
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:57,679
Speaker 1: his phone out and he's blasts in his music, stable music.

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01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 1: You might like it. I don't people, let me finish,

1594
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 1: let me finish. I have buddy, how are you doing?

1595
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 1: You gotta have phones? And he goes, yeah, I gotta

1596
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 1: have phones. I'm like, well are they because I'm not

1597
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 1: in your ears? He goes, you want me to put

1598
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 1: him in my ears? I said, the first place I

1599
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: put him in. Why do you do this? You know

1600
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 1: what he says to me. He goes, I'll put him in.

1601
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: I'll put him in my ears if you ask me nicely.

1602
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: I said, this is me asking you nicely. The next

1603
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 1: time I ask you is when I ask God. Everyone

1604
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 1: in the car just started cheering, so he put him

1605
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 1: in his ears. I don't even know how to react

1606
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: to this. You can't react to it because you take

1607
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 1: a car. I tell everybody to take a car. Everybody

1608
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: on my TV staff in particular, I've I've been. I

1609
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,680
Speaker 1: make sure that they get a per diem so they

1610
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 1: can get a car. I mean, it's it's this world

1611
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: is just full with darkness. I mean, I'm watching the

1612
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 1: insanity and politically in this country a It's just man,

1613
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 1: it gets some days, it just gets to you. I'm

1614
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 1: reading this, this headline, I'm looking at the China and

1615
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 1: you know, really we're going to bow down in silence

1616
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 1: NBA players on the China issue. I know that lit

1617
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 1: up Ethan earlier in this week, and I'm thinking, really,

1618
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: you can. You can trash the president, but you can't

1619
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 1: trash China. Look what Ethan found earlier with this woman.

1620
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 1: She's at a press conference. She's at to ask questions

1621
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:25,759
Speaker 1: question about it. They're trying to rip the microphone physically

1622
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,640
Speaker 1: out of her hand. She's like, excuse me, I have

1623
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 1: every right to ask this question. Good thing it wasn't you,

1624
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 1: because we would forget about it. I would use that

1625
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 1: Chinese prison. You would have had to try to rescue her.

1626
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 1: All right, all right, So the president, the big rally

1627
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 1: he has, we're on the ground tonight in Minneapolis. I

1628
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: can't believe all that has surrounded this rally. I can't

1629
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: believe the mayor. Oh, if you're a copy, can't wear

1630
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: your uniform. Let's move to porta potties. All right. This

1631
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: is a level of derangement that even I have a

1632
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 1: hard time wrapping my arms around here. All right, we

1633
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 1: will cover the Ali. Lawrence Jones is on the ground.

1634
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: We'll probably speak to some of the people that went

1635
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 1: to the rally, depending what time the rally ends. We'll

1636
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: cover it when we get on Hannity tonight. Former AG

1637
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 1: Matt Whittaker has been phenomenal. Tom Fitten, Dan Bongino, Governor

1638
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 1: Palin Is on tonight, Joe Conju much much more, Nine

1639
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 1: Eastern Hannity, Fox News. So we'll see you tonight and

1640
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 1: tomorrow we'll get right back to what is now the well. Russia, Russia, Russia, No, no, no, impeach, impeach, impeach,

1641
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 1: No no no. Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine KU, because that's what

1642
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 1: this now has become. So I'll coming up tonight nine

1643
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 1: Eastern Hannity. We'll see them, We'll see you back here

1644
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:37,799
Speaker 1: tomorrow