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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Bryce Harper and welcome to The Billy Show.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, Ruben, Mark Junior, Jim Sausberry, Todd's a lucky The

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Speaker 2: Philly Show brought to you by File Territory. It's Monday morning,

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Speaker 2: December thirteenth, twenty twenty four. We're all back from the

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Speaker 2: Winter Meetings. You guys have fun at the Winter Meetings. Ruben,

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Speaker 2: you were all over MLB network all week on MLB Network.

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Speaker 3: Do you have fun doing that pontificating pontificating coming up

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Speaker 3: with the crazy ass ideas? I actually was fun. It

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Speaker 3: was really cool to be back there again. I actually

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Speaker 3: it's been like what ten twelve years since I've been

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Speaker 3: back to the Winter Meetings. It's kind of crazy. Maybe

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Speaker 3: a little less than that. No, maybe it was five years,

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Speaker 3: but then before that it was a long long time.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's been a while, right, But it was

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Speaker 3: funny seeing a lot of people. I saw my brothers,

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Speaker 3: so my brother Ruben undressed. I saw my other brother Luise,

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Speaker 3: a couple of agents, and a bunch of people. Man,

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Speaker 3: it's great to see really great to see a lot

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Speaker 3: of the people there. But I also was really glad

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Speaker 3: to be out of there because it's just a lot.

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Speaker 4: I saw Ruben and dress he is much better looking

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Speaker 4: than you.

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Speaker 1: My dad. Some good genes out there, man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I also saw you're throwing out some stupid trade

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Speaker 4: ideas on the MLB network to kind of.

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Speaker 3: The kind of stuff you used to Now I get

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Speaker 3: to throw him out there without any enough research to

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Speaker 4: He used to say, you moron, And now you're throwing

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Speaker 4: that stuff out there.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that great? And I get paid for it.

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Speaker 2: It is fun to to hash over some of those trades,

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Speaker 2: you know, or just throw out some hypotheticals and what

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Speaker 2: would it take to get the deal done? Speaking of that,

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Speaker 2: Garret Crochet got traded to the Red Sox the was

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Speaker 2: it the last day of the winter meetings? He was

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Speaker 2: the last day of the winter meetings. Four Prospects. The

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Speaker 2: Phillies were in hard on him in July, and Dave

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Speaker 2: Dombrowski talked afterward about it, and you want me to

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Speaker 2: read kind of what he I. You know, one of

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Speaker 2: us asked him, how do you balance giving up a

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Speaker 2: overpaying or mortgaging your future? And he said, you always

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Speaker 2: weigh those things. I've been there before, done it before,

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Speaker 2: not sure it was the right time for us to

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Speaker 2: do that right now, and he goes into I think

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Speaker 2: there's a few reasons behind it. They have four quality

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Speaker 2: starting pitchers, but he said, we also really wrote out

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Speaker 2: the development of our farm system over the last few years,

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Speaker 2: and we're just getting the point of having the impact

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Speaker 2: the verge of having some really good players.

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Speaker 5: What was your reaction to that.

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Speaker 4: My reaction to that is he does have four starters

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Speaker 4: get a guy like Cruchet would be making a strength stronger,

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Speaker 4: but it's not an absolute priority, especially when you have

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Speaker 4: other needs. And I see a team that's going to

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Speaker 4: be very protective of its prospects. I think they're willing

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Speaker 4: to part with some in the right move, but they're

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Speaker 4: going to be protective of their upper tier because if

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Speaker 4: you look at this roster, they have a lot of

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Speaker 4: thirty ones, thirty twos, thirty threes and approaching thirty four

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Speaker 4: next year or two and they need they need capable replacements.

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Speaker 4: So I think the White Sox probably never backed off

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Speaker 4: they're not going to do it there. They've got a

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Speaker 4: good package from the from the Red Sox and they

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Speaker 4: the Phillies didn't get it done. I think he was

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Speaker 4: much more of a focus priority in July. I think

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Speaker 4: Phillies were, if if if if number one starter on

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Speaker 4: in in that particular move, they don't make it. And

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Speaker 3: YEA A couple of things to unpack for me in

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Speaker 3: this while they are held bent the Phillies are held

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Speaker 3: that in order to get Crochet they would have had

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Speaker 3: I mean, what was it the right move? I mean,

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Speaker 3: we probably could have partnered with Tom Brown and drey

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Speaker 3: Back at the time to get Roy Halliday. But when

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Speaker 3: you have your top tier starter and offensive player, it's

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Speaker 3: very difficult, when you're trying to sustain your organization for

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Speaker 3: long success to dump those those pieces. And and I think,

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Speaker 3: I think you're right, Jim. I think the starting pitcher

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Speaker 3: was not as big a priority as you know, adding

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Speaker 3: that's one of the reasons why they didn't make that move.

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Speaker 3: And I totally get it. I'd like to see them

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Speaker 3: do more. There's no question that there's needs, there's more

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Speaker 1: To to to improve this team.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be huge, but it has to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Dave. Dave said that as well. He said, I

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Speaker 5: wish we would maybe done a little more. We just

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Speaker 5: didn't feel comfortable.

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Speaker 2: Then he added this caveat which I think everybody in

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Speaker 2: done either. The meetings are done, but the converse stations

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Speaker 2: aren't over. So you know, they they still have moves

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Speaker 2: to make. They can still make moves. The off season

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Speaker 2: July thing, the one thing I heard about the Crochet

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Speaker 2: made a super, super attractive and very fair package true

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Speaker 2: Crochet in July. In fact, the one thing I heard

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Speaker 5: I don't know what I'm doing here.

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Speaker 2: But almost almost almost immediate pre buyers were more and

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Speaker 5: What I've heard is that the Phillies are almost going

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Speaker 2: And so when the Red Sox of the White Sox

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Speaker 2: said no, there's almost kind of like, maybe that's not

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Speaker 5: Now now you've got two. So that's also I think

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Speaker 4: When they had you know, they had three post seasons

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Speaker 4: and they were getting nothing out of the five spot.

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Speaker 4: Now they've hit the reset button. There's only two post seasons,

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Speaker 4: and you know they have reason to believe and faith

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Speaker 4: sometimes mid season, yes, So you know, it changes the

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Speaker 4: calculus a little bit.

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Speaker 3: So some of the best trades that you make are

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Speaker 3: the ones that you don't make at times.

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Speaker 1: So that's something to think about too. I mean trades

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Speaker 1: Vibowski make a big move. Well, they've made some big moves.

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Speaker 3: I think they have to do some tweakag right, Jim,

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Speaker 3: some tweak itch to get there.

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Speaker 5: Tweagosity. We got a tweak nation.

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Speaker 2: Holidays, guys are just around the corner. Make sure you

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Speaker 2: go to Shy Vintage Sports.

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Speaker 5: For all your holiday gift needs. They have stores in Westchester,

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Speaker 5: Wayne Center City. Ardmore is their brand new store, and

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Speaker 5: you can go to Shivesports dot com. Ruben and I

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Speaker 5: are sport and some shivees gear today. And if you

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Speaker 5: go to ship sports dot com use the promo code

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Speaker 5: the Phillies Show fifteen. You get fifteen percent off anything

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Speaker 5: you purchase. And I also want to promote on Sunday,

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Speaker 5: I will be at the Ardmore store, the Shy Ventured

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Speaker 5: Sports store in Ardmore, brand new store from one to

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Speaker 5: three pm before Eagles kick off. You can stop by

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Speaker 5: and pick up a copy. I'll sign a signed copy

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Speaker 5: of Doc the Lafe of Roy Holliday. And we will

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Speaker 5: also have some Philly Show t shirts there to purchase,

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Speaker 5: So stop by, get a book, get a book, get

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Speaker 5: a Philly show t shirt. Get an Eagles T shirt.

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Speaker 5: At shib Flyers you can get the Spectrum one. I'm wearing,

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Speaker 5: the Ben Franklin Bridge one Reuben's wearing. You can get

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Speaker 5: all sorts of cool stuff. So that's Sunday, December fifteenth,

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Speaker 5: one to three at the shy Venture Sports Store and Ardmore.

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Speaker 5: Come by, say hello, check it out, talk some ball.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: You're good.

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Speaker 1: You can you can double dip. You can double dip

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Speaker 1: with the Todd Pod and the doc book.

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Speaker 5: That's right, exactly, what better way to say I love you?

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Speaker 4: And if you're in our more, you can stop by

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Speaker 4: the Ripple then a great burger.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, that's a great idea, Jim, right, are

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Speaker 2: pre snackage at the.

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Speaker 1: We got to get them at the sponsor the old

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Speaker 1: Ripple Wood as many times.

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Speaker 4: That's the first time I ever mentioned him.

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, that's so great.

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Speaker 1: On the next Todd Pop, let's go.

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Speaker 4: And I hit in and Out Burger in Dallas.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's true. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So Monday night we're like, where do we want to

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Speaker 2: go eat? And when you come to Texas, what do

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Speaker 2: you do? You you go to the California fast food chain.

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Speaker 2: You go to in and Out Burger, and so Jim and.

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Speaker 5: I crushed some some in and out.

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Speaker 2: In fact, Jim, Jim and I got in the uber

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Speaker 2: and the guy goes, where are you guys going?

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Speaker 5: We go in and out? The guy goes, what the

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Speaker 5: hell are you doing going to in and out in Texas?

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Speaker 1: Exactly? I went out and I had a little U. S. D.

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Speaker 1: A grade beef.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you did that, and you and you guys went

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Speaker 3: out and had a little California in and out, but

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Speaker 3: did not think of me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very little.

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Speaker 4: Next time.

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Speaker 5: Next time, we will make sure to make sure to

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Speaker 5: include you. So.

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Speaker 2: Scott Boris also talked on Wednesday before David and Browse talked. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Scott's annual think you know, it's funny. People kind of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he is very entertaining.

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Speaker 2: You know, say what you want about Scott Boris, but

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Speaker 2: there's no question that those dynamics are being discussed. John

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Speaker 5: Jim, you wrote about this a lot the other day.

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Speaker 5: What what what? What'd you take of Scott wars? What

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Speaker 4: So when Scott does that big press conference in the

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Speaker 4: It reminds he reminds me of the Grand Wizard of Wrestling.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember the Grand Wizard of Wrestling?

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Speaker 1: He's about and everything.

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Speaker 4: It's it's so much fun. But what do I take

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Speaker 4: don't know how, don't know how much, but they're gonna

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Speaker 4: address it. That's the vibe I get if they're talking

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Speaker 4: That's my opinion and my belief. I don't know when.

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Speaker 4: His current deal takes them through the age of thirty eight.

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Speaker 4: And I think the Phillies are going with dressed this,

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Speaker 3: And so my opinion is it will not be addressed,

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Speaker 3: And I think that they are discussing it, but I

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Speaker 5: With the Phillies.

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Speaker 4: I'll bet you, I'll bet you. I'll bet you, I'll

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Speaker 3: I'm going to make it go get in and out

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Speaker 2: But so there's no timeframe on it though, So I

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Speaker 2: mean it like like Jim says, it could happen a

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Speaker 2: like you said, Reuben, but you know it's at some

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Speaker 5: They'll they'll tweak, tweak it, tweak it.

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Speaker 1: If it happens.

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Speaker 3: If it happens within three years, the next three years,

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Speaker 3: I buy you a burger.

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Speaker 1: If it doesn't, you buy me one.

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Speaker 4: You're wrong.

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Speaker 5: The nice I had. I had a great brisket on

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Speaker 5: Sunday night in Texas, by the way.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 5: So I did hit. I did hit. I did hit

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Speaker 5: did not make a trade for garat crochet.

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Speaker 4: They got you. No, No, I want to know what

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Speaker 4: do you think of these? Oh?

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Speaker 5: What do I think?

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Speaker 2: I think that something is going to happen. I do

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Speaker 5: I don't know when.

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Speaker 2: Because that's the thing, like, right, if you do it

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Speaker 2: right now, that could really mess up, that would really

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Speaker 2: mess up your luxury tax situation if you address it

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Speaker 2: that's the fourth tech luxury tax threshold. Every dollar spent

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Speaker 2: if you would adjust it right now this year, that

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Speaker 2: sorry JT realto Schwarber come off the books. Castianis's and

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Speaker 4: Know, they have they have so many priorities, you know,

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Speaker 4: they need to tweak this team a little bit. Everybody

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Speaker 4: see this probably coming at more of a downtime in

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Speaker 2: What yeah, like yeah, like, hey, you know, we need

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Speaker 2: We're trying to win, and then you know, once we

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Speaker 5: You know we'll we'll, we'll adjust and pay a little

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Speaker 4: So I don't think we're convincing Ruben. He looks skeptical.

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Speaker 5: Ruben is skeptical.

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Speaker 2: That's hey, little little difference of opinion is good. So

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Speaker 2: they still need a corner outfielder. Alec Bohma is still

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Speaker 2: out there. The Phillies may have made a big point,

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Speaker 2: no indication that the Phillies are actively shopping Alec Bouma.

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Speaker 2: They've told everybody that he's available if you want to

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Speaker 2: make the deal. You know, that's that's all semantics. But

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Speaker 2: for instance, until he signs. Problem there is is how

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Speaker 2: of those, not by choice, but you traded cliff Ley

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Speaker 5: You were kind of told to do it. I know people,

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Speaker 2: But you know, what do you guys think about about

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Speaker 4: Do you do you think this little mini offensive that

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Speaker 4: you know, Rob Thompson went on kind of saying, you know,

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Speaker 4: we're not shopping Alec Bohm. Teams have come to us,

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Speaker 4: but we're not shopping Alec Bohm. And he made a

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Speaker 4: or whatever he said to that effect. I'm sure that

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Speaker 4: Do you think that is kind of a reaction to

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Speaker 4: smooth this thing over because he's an important player and

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Speaker 4: you need production. What do you think, am I way

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Speaker 1: That's great, but you may not be way off but

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Speaker 1: you may not be way off base.

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Speaker 3: But I think they had to do that anyway because

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was important for Alex.

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Speaker 3: Bowma to know that they're not necessarily out there shopping

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Speaker 3: the man. They're the people, but they're talking about other players,

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Speaker 3: and it's a long way to go yet. I mean,

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Speaker 3: while to get done some conversations. There's different teams wanting

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Speaker 3: He's a big third baseman. Maybe once he signs and

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Speaker 1: In the head with we solid.

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Speaker 3: Package on the way back because this is a good player, man,

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Speaker 1: I've been going to some crazy ideas for the last

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Speaker 2: I think that's a trade that a lot of Phillies

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Speaker 3: And you're talking about and you're talking about a core,

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Speaker 3: uh premium position player, not the most important position on

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Speaker 3: the field.

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Speaker 4: You just but you might have just you might have

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Speaker 4: just explained core middle of diamond premium position. You might

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Speaker 4: have just explained why the Angels would not include him

442
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Speaker 4: in that deal. So, I mean they love him, you know,

443
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Speaker 4: he's a you know, those are players that stick around

444
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Speaker 4: seven eight years. I don't know, it depends how much

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Speaker 4: they pay down Trout and I just don't know that

446
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Speaker 4: they would include a hoppy I think he's someone they

447
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Speaker 4: really like and and I want to kind of build around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wouldn't do a deal. I wouldn't do

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Speaker 1: a deal.

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Speaker 3: And let's take get a player like that back for

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Speaker 3: Alec Bohm because Alec Bohm isn't already an All Star.

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Speaker 5: Yes, let's let's not forget. Let's not forget that Alec

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Speaker 5: Bohama is an All Star.

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Speaker 4: Don't they have an All star third basement over there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Right, they did.

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Speaker 3: They thought they were getting talk about inavailability unavailable.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot and mentally and.

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Speaker 2: Physically, Oh my gosh, that's a lot of that's a

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Speaker 2: lot of bad money out there in contracts, you know.

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Speaker 2: Uh so they Phillies have work to do.

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Speaker 5: We've talked about it.

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Speaker 2: They Dombrowski said that, you know, maybe they making a trade,

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Speaker 2: and we in the follow up of that crochet deal,

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Speaker 2: he said, you trade anybody at a particular time, but

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Speaker 2: it's not a driving force for us at this time.

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Speaker 5: We'd give up anybody for the right player.

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Speaker 2: But this point, I don't know that the timing is

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Speaker 2: right for us to give up that type of quality

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Speaker 2: and quantity of players. So yeah, you're right, Yeah, they're

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Speaker 2: they're being judicious. And how they who they give these

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Speaker 2: guys up for.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I almost feel like maybe this is too strong,

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Speaker 4: but I don't have a better way to describe it,

475
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Speaker 4: like but almost like they're a little bit between a

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Speaker 4: rock and a hard place. Maybe not quite that strong,

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Speaker 4: but you get the idea between. You know, they feel

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Speaker 4: like you need to hang on to some of these

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Speaker 4: prospects because they're you know, the nucleus is getting older

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Speaker 4: north of thirty, so they need guys to move in

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Speaker 4: when when they're up there, and also they're bumping up

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Speaker 4: against that third fourth luxury tax, that three all one.

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Speaker 4: You know, the desire to hang on off to some

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Speaker 4: of these prospects because you need them in the short

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Speaker 4: term or they're not too long term here and the

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Speaker 4: payroll and the tacks, it's like those two forces are

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Speaker 4: kind of squeezing you a little bit in terms of,

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Speaker 4: you know, what you can do to move this current

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Speaker 4: roster forward. On top of it, a lot of inflexibility

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Speaker 4: on the roster because of age and long term contracts

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Speaker 4: and salaries. So it's I do believe they're going to

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Speaker 4: bring in an outfielder, I really do, yeah, And I

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Speaker 4: just don't know how they're going to do it. I

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Speaker 4: think they're getting squeezed on the prospect side and the

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Speaker 4: payroll side a little bit.

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Speaker 3: So this this, I will tell you what this reminds

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Speaker 3: me of exactly, gentlemen. It reminds me of twenty eleven

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Speaker 3: to twenty twelve that in between time, and I hope

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Speaker 3: they make decisions that are better than mine ultimately, because

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Speaker 3: we did have the injury to a bunch of guys.

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Speaker 3: Now they went south, Hopefully one they have a lot

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Speaker 3: more luck and they don't have to deal with those

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Speaker 3: kind of injuries. It'd be like, you know, Harper going

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Speaker 3: down with achilles or.

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Speaker 1: You know, something like that, and turn and then Turner

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Speaker 1: going down with like knee problems.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to have that happen, obviously, and hopefully

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Speaker 3: that's not the case, and that they can add on

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Speaker 3: without impunity, because when I added a guy like Papa Bond,

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Speaker 3: I would there were some impunity there because our guys

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Speaker 3: went south physically and you just hope, you know, and

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Speaker 3: and on top of that, losing a guy like you know,

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Speaker 3: Zach Wheeler at the top of your rotation to injury,

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Speaker 3: so you lose those three guys, you're in trouble. And

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Speaker 3: hopefully that's not They're not dealing with that sort of issue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of time to go. Maybe we'll get

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Speaker 2: something done before Christmas. If not, again, I think pictures

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Speaker 2: and catchers reporting like February twelfth or thirteenth or fourteenth.

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Speaker 3: Well, the other thing I want to say about that

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Speaker 3: is the other The other thing I say I want

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Speaker 3: to say about that is this is still a top

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Speaker 3: five team in baseball with talent. As far as talent,

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Speaker 3: if these guys are on the field and they're playing,

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Speaker 3: this is still a top five team in talent in baseball.

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Speaker 1: And so let's not lose sight of that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I know, like people have heard David and Brown, Dave

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Speaker 2: has gone out of his way to mention we're top

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Speaker 2: five offense.

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Speaker 5: For most of the year. We're a top five offense.

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Speaker 2: We didn't play well at the right time and against

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Speaker 2: the Mets and the NLDS.

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Speaker 5: Rob Thompson has said the same thing.

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Speaker 2: And I know that's frustrating for fans to say, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you spit the bit in twenty twenty three in

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Speaker 2: the NLCS, and you didn't play that great in the

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Speaker 2: second half of the twenty twenty four season, and you

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Speaker 2: didn't play that great against the Mets.

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Speaker 5: So I don't want to hear anything about top five offense.

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Speaker 2: But at being at the Winter Meetings this past week,

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Speaker 2: nobody's coming.

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Speaker 5: Up to the Philly.

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Speaker 2: Nobody was coming up to me going like, so, the

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Speaker 2: Philly's gonna start selling guys because they're screwed. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this team's on the this team's going downhill fast.

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Speaker 5: Nationally in the game of baseball.

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Speaker 2: The Phillies are still regarded as a top five team,

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Speaker 2: a World Series contending team. So it's not just like,

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Speaker 2: of course, Dave's oh my gosh, Dave's trying to set

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Speaker 2: up this crappy offense because they're not going to go

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Speaker 2: out and get anybody.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the view amongst people in baseball is that

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Speaker 2: they're a pretty good team and they could win the

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Speaker 2: World Series next year.

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Speaker 3: Correct, the ball rolls the right way and they played

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Speaker 3: better baseball at the right time.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if fans don't want to.

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00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 5: Hear that necessarily, but that's true.

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Speaker 4: I agree a lot. There's a lot of teams around

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Speaker 4: baseball that would like to have the Phillies problems. But

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Speaker 4: you know, the fact of the matter is they were

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Speaker 4: a five hundred team after about June tenth including the postseason,

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00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 4: just right on them those five hundred. So you know

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Speaker 4: they need to play better. We like their personnel, that

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Speaker 4: personnel needs to improve and play better. They need to

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Speaker 4: still need a tweak and just I do sense I

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Speaker 4: patience around town with fans that they haven't done more yet. I'm,

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Speaker 4: as Ruben said, a long off season, and I just

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Speaker 4: I remind folks about the winter when they acquired JT.

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Speaker 4: Real Mudo. It's you know when that you know, real

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00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 4: Mudo was on the block and he was roomored to

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Speaker 4: go to Cincinnati, the Dodgers, the Mets, the Braves, and

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00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 4: none of those things materialized, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: February early February came around and an opportunity presented itself

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Speaker 4: with the Phillies and they ended up with J. T.

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Speaker 4: Rail Mudo. You never know what opportunity will present itself

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Speaker 4: and when, and that's why, as hard as it is

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00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 4: to do, sometimes you need to exercise patients. I think

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Speaker 4: patients is a really good quality in the game of baseball,

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Speaker 4: and it could be now as they construct their roster

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Speaker 4: here in the off season, and that patience needs to

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Speaker 4: be carried right through to the trade deadline again. They're

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Speaker 4: gonna make tweaks to improve this thing right till then,

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00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: and you hope they're the right tweaks and good things happen.

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Speaker 4: We will see. It's it's it's it's still really early

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Speaker 4: in the in terms of the construction of the team

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Speaker 4: that you're going to take him to the playoffs next

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Speaker 4: year if you get there.

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Speaker 3: The great faith in Dave, Dave Nebrowski man, and the

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Speaker 3: man knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: He's had success, he's a Hall of Famer. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: get it there.

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Speaker 2: My mail carrier knocked on my door yesterday. He handed

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Speaker 2: me a package and he goes, uh, are they going

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Speaker 2: to do.

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Speaker 5: Something at some point? And I said, I said, there's

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Speaker 5: a long way to go. They'll get something done before

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Speaker 5: spring training.

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Speaker 2: So uh, I try to, you know, calm his nerves.

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Speaker 4: That Ruben, I got to ask you before we go here,

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Speaker 4: like you proposed to Kyle truck Tucker trade. Right, we

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Speaker 4: lose Ruben. He's he's messing with the computer. He doesn't

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Speaker 4: want to answer the question.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're losing Ruben's connections. So that's actually a good

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Speaker 2: segue out of here. Next time, Yeah, we'll ask the

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Speaker 2: next time Jim Rubens want to answer your question.

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Speaker 4: That's weak, gutless, totally gutless, jam in the computer? Can

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Speaker 4: you believe that what the mutim so he doesn't pop

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Speaker 4: back in?

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Speaker 2: All right, well, Jim, I'm gonna drop a smelly later

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Speaker 2: on you. We'll be back next week. We got some

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Speaker 2: good episodes coming up.

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