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Speaker 1: guys have a ton of questions and want them answered.

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Speaker 1: Last episode, if you missed, it was focused more on pitching.

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Speaker 1: This one, we're going to talk about the offense. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you guys want to know are they adding offense you

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Speaker 1: have some thoughts, you have some ideas. Let's get right

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Speaker 1: to it. Gary's garage wants to a cub. Definitely need pitching.

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Speaker 1: The offense definitely needs another hitter. Tucker is gone, and

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Speaker 1: you can't seriously think guys like happens to.

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Speaker 2: Be depended on Patrick.

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Speaker 1: Like we ended the last episode talking a little bit

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Speaker 1: about app and I just you know, he is going

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Speaker 1: to be the punching bag for as long as he's here.

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Speaker 1: He just doesn't fully get appreciated. But he he's going

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Speaker 1: to be twenty percent above league average year in and

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Speaker 1: year out. That's his offensive production. Is he a superstar

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Speaker 1: on offense? No? Does he get hot for a couple

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Speaker 1: of months, Yes, that that almost always happens. Does he

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Speaker 1: have like little slumps here and there. Sure, but he

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Speaker 1: takes his walks, he doesn't chase. He puts up good

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Speaker 1: at bats. He usually hits Righty's really well. I just

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Speaker 1: you know, I get it depended on I don't know,

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Speaker 1: like is he a star like? I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: like he he puts up solid offensive numbers. He's a

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Speaker 1: good ballplayer. I think there's just reasons why he gets crushed.

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Speaker 1: And I think strike like I think his early career

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Speaker 1: probably colors some stuff. And Danzy Swanson's an average league hitterer,

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Speaker 1: that's just what he is. Yeah, I think I get,

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Speaker 1: Like I totally I shouldn't say. I think I totally

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Speaker 1: get the consternation of like if they're gonna let Tucker walk,

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Speaker 1: like what are they doing? Like, I feel like I

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Speaker 1: have this conversation beyond just the podcast. I have it

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Speaker 1: with friends and random fans that I happen to run into,

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Speaker 1: like are they really not adding offense? I think it's

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Speaker 1: a completely fair question, and I think it'll I think

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Speaker 1: in the end it's going to just be like they'll

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Speaker 1: be opportunistic with it, but it isn't their top priority.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to be super aggressive. They buy a

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Speaker 1: Steros and Casey are going to play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think wherever Gary's garage is, whatever that is.

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Speaker 3: I think it's onto something.

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Speaker 4: I think we had to establish from our side, on

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Speaker 4: the reporting side of just like, okay, where are their

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Speaker 4: heads at? Yes, it's pitching, pitching, pitching. It's an obvious need.

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Speaker 4: They need some kind of like insurance policies, some safeguards

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Speaker 4: for after the season, as well as you point out

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Speaker 4: to how to there are just more, more and better

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Speaker 4: pitchers out there than position players. That's a part of

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Speaker 4: it as well. But I think as we get deeper

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Speaker 4: into the offseason and once you see the team that

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Speaker 4: shows up in Mesa, once the Cups start playing real

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Speaker 4: games in April at a cold Wrigley Field, that might

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Speaker 2: In the National League.

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Speaker 4: Like, yes, Tucker's absence, what they did on the pitching

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Speaker 4: side will become a bigger, much bigger part of the story.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, we shouldn't just gloss over like Kyle Tucker. Yes,

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Speaker 4: he had a disappointing second half, He's still going to

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Speaker 4: get paid. He still has the track record of an

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Speaker 4: elite offensive performer, and that you know, when things were

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Speaker 4: was probably just before the All Star break when Tucker

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Speaker 3: To begin to trend. The other way.

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Speaker 4: But Counsel's point was, like, even when Tucker has a

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Speaker 4: A double stolen base and run scored, like just like

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Speaker 3: He was just kind of put up numbers. And I

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Speaker 3: think it's gonna be hard.

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe Moisspiosteros as a star, maybe one case that

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Speaker 4: he runs with this opportunity, But I don't I know

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Speaker 4: they say we could play a game tomorrow with this

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Speaker 4: going to be looking, And I don't know if this

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Speaker 4: is just how we're kind of consuming or processing the offseason.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if like maybe the pitching markets moving first.

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Speaker 4: That seems to be why they signed spin Rate, Like

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Speaker 4: we'll see who's round kind of after a Cubs convention,

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Speaker 4: who's still out there. I think they can still be

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Speaker 4: opportunistic and add an interesting hitter, even if it's not

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Speaker 4: on like a ten year contract or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think we're spending a lot of time focused on

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Speaker 1: pitching because that's just how they've framed it and how

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Speaker 1: we've expected things to go. Yeah, I mean by steros

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Speaker 1: in case he could be really good and maybe it

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Speaker 1: is time for them to get playing time, every day

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Speaker 1: playing time. I just wouldn't I understand all the concern

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Speaker 1: get Tucker like they obviously think highly of them. I

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Speaker 1: will show that the league thinks highly of him. He's

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Speaker 1: an impactful player, There's no doubt about it. Also, just look,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say this about Ian Half. He

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Speaker 1: had he had a good He had a good season.

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Speaker 1: It was probably like a down season for him, but

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Speaker 1: he had a one sixteen way to runs created plus

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Speaker 1: that was that that's pretty good on a on a

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Speaker 1: I also, I think it's important to give Ian Half

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Speaker 1: he sets an example for younger players. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he was always on that trajectory, at least from the

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Speaker 2: It didn't seem like he was early on. He is.

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Speaker 1: He sets an example for others. I believe he he

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Speaker 1: He he talks a lot about how you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: you have to appreciate being in this city and with

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Speaker 1: time in Chicago. Frankly, I think, you know, fans may

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Speaker 1: that'll happen. But that's that, that would be his preference.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, actually that's a that's a later that's a

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Speaker 1: later question. So we'll get to that question later. I

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Speaker 1: was going to talk about extensions, but uh, here's here's

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Speaker 1: more Tucker talk. Do you think there is zero possibility

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Speaker 1: a minimum chance. I think it's pretty close to zero.

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Speaker 1: And I think the answer is does his market crater

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Speaker 1: and and he's still on the you know, on the

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Speaker 2: I think that's the only shot, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't after how the Cubs pulled off the Dexter

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Speaker 4: and even I think players were like, wait, that looks

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Speaker 4: like Dexter, Like it's not zero, but I mean highly

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Speaker 4: unlikely he comes back. I know Cubs fans who watched

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Speaker 4: Tucker every day in the second half, or followed, you

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Speaker 4: know whatever, the September trip to Tampa to or his

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Speaker 4: rest of the baseball industry views him, I think the

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Speaker 4: Cubs are operating under the insumption that he will be

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Speaker 4: playing on a different team next year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, All right, let's take a quick break and

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Speaker 1: come back and answer more questions about the offense.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're talking about potential offensive editions. Hamdbone has

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Speaker 1: a couple ideas he wants someone like au Hannio Suarez

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Speaker 1: or Kazuma Okamoto be a fit for this team. I

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Speaker 1: think that players could get every day be He had

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Speaker 1: a longer idea. His His thought was like, these guys

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Speaker 1: and and Biasteros versus rities. I think it's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: I think, yes, do these guys make sense. I think

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Speaker 1: Suarez probably isn't going to get the type of deal

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Speaker 1: that maybe it seemed like he would at the middle

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Speaker 1: of the season.

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Speaker 2: I don't know off the.

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Speaker 1: Top of my head how old he is, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that he's going to get some monster contract.

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Speaker 1: And and maybe he uh, maybe he lingers on the market.

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Speaker 1: Okamoto is obviously posted, and I think he's I don't

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Speaker 1: I would assume, And like, it just depends on his

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Speaker 1: market as well. I do think both could make sense.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be all about cost. Maybe the Cubs

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