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Speaker 1: And and inter.

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Speaker 2: And ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Cowboy Logic. Merry Christmas

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Speaker 2: to each and every one of you, and we're gonna

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Speaker 2: do something different these first two segments. Instead of Donna's headlines,

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Speaker 2: we are going into the DC jail, which we haven't

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Speaker 2: done in a while, to talk to one of our

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Speaker 2: dear j six brothers, Dominic Box Dominic. Welcome to Cowboy Logic.

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Speaker 2: A merry Christmas to you. I pray to God you

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Speaker 2: are short and about a month from now you will

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Speaker 2: be walking home. But welcome to Cowboy Logic. It's been

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Speaker 2: a while since we've had you. How you been my friend.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing very well. Don and Donna, thank you guys

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Speaker 3: for having me back. And hello to the Cowboy Logic family.

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Speaker 3: And like you said, it's been a while, but it's

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Speaker 3: actually it's been almost a year since we first talked

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Speaker 3: last Christmas, and it's so this whole experience has been surreal.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys can imagine, but I never in

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Speaker 3: my life would have thought I'd be saying. You know,

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Speaker 3: this is now my second Christmas in jail, and you

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Speaker 3: know we've talked. I actually just spent my second birthday

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Speaker 3: behind bars here in the DC Gulag, and it's you know,

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Speaker 3: it's an honor every day to count myself among these men.

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Speaker 4: But it's I'm definitely looking forward.

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Speaker 3: To that day in less than a month now when.

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Speaker 4: When myself and my brothers and sisters and this Jay

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Speaker 4: six family get to get to walk out of.

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Speaker 2: The doors for for the last time and playing for it, man,

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Speaker 2: praying for playing for first of all, Happy belated birthday.

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Speaker 2: How how old are you now, my old man?

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Speaker 4: I am. I am thirty five whole years old old.

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Speaker 2: You could be our son, all right, Hey, listen, I

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Speaker 2: want to talk to you very quickly and and you

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Speaker 2: can educate all of our beloved viewers about this. You know,

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Speaker 2: for many years d C's jail was a tension for

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Speaker 2: off C two B that was called the Patriot Pod

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Speaker 2: that got changed because they didn't want you guys communicating

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Speaker 2: as much with the Freedom Corner folks. But now things

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Speaker 2: are very different in there. There is no longer the

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Speaker 2: Patriot Pod correct correct, And it's really.

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Speaker 3: It's a terrible thing because when I came.

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Speaker 4: In over a year ago.

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Speaker 3: It's been about sixteen months now, though was not that

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Speaker 3: original pod. It was exclusively the pod that I was in,

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Speaker 3: which was C three A, was made up exclusively of

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Speaker 3: about forty January sixth defendants like myself going through a

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Speaker 3: similar struggle, having a very similar experience. And now, as

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Speaker 3: some of your audience may know, a little over a

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Speaker 3: month ago, it was actually on election day, uh, the the.

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Speaker 3: Is no longer a JA six pod. You are being

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Speaker 3: They've come to know us over the last four years.

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Speaker 4: There is very clearly an.

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Speaker 3: Intentional decision being made to cause conflict and cause chaos

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm no longer the only Savannah man. There

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Speaker 4: You know, we're going through something similar. Everybody's in here

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Speaker 4: And they put us.

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Speaker 3: Together because and they, you know, the administrative staff back

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Speaker 3: For recent thing and they're being stuck in solitary confinement.

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Speaker 2: Well, and not only men, but there's also women. Olivia's

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Speaker 6: Just the problem is you've got they're just not stopping.

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Speaker 6: you say. They're trying to sow conflict, which is exactly

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Speaker 3: Right, and let me tell you your audience may be

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Speaker 4: The FBI came out a couple of weeks ago and.

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Speaker 3: Said that they would only be pursuing the most egregious

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Speaker 2: You got about thirty seconds before we're going to have

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Speaker 3: They are, you know, the ones that work on our

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Speaker 3: because prior to the integration there were no weapons, there

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Speaker 3: come to my house for a meal. You know, God

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Speaker 3: bless you guys. It's a really cool experience. It's not

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Speaker 3: what the men experienced when they first got here, but

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Speaker 3: because of the hard work and the struggle that some

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Speaker 3: way for those of us now to experience, you know,

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Speaker 3: being treated like humans. And a lot of the staff,

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Speaker 3: because of the interactions they had with us, from what

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Speaker 7: And I want to hand you that got it.

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Speaker 2: Hold your thought on that. We got to go to

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Speaker 2: a break, ladies and gentlemen, you see the crawl. That's

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Speaker 2: how you can help. We're going to go back into

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Speaker 2: the DC jail with Dominic Box when we get back. Hey,

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Speaker 7: Thanks so much for all your support out there.

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Speaker 2: All right, Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Kelly Meggs at

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Speaker 2: That's right, And that video that you saw of Kelly

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Speaker 2: before we went to break, you were talking about being

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was actually at.

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Speaker 3: the end of February. I said, yes, sir, that's February twenty.

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Speaker 3: We'll never see you again. Congratulations and enjoy your freedom.

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Speaker 3: And guys, it was you know that right there shows

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Speaker 4: It was a blessing in such a relief, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, from what I gather, if you're not actually sentenced,

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Speaker 5: So FBI came to.

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Speaker 3: And they did this thing called a reverse proper where

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Speaker 4: And she said, you know, Domin, if you can't plead

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Speaker 3: I read the statute. I had no intention to obstruct

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Speaker 4: Am that was the only plea deal that they offered me.

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Speaker 4: And wouldn't you know it, then the government indicts me

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Speaker 4: But in the government, you know, they came after me.

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Speaker 4: And that's a terrible thing.

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Speaker 5: Well, well, what I'll first they thank you to the

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Speaker 3: so uh.

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Speaker 4: There there's one.

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Speaker 3: General population inmate that I've seen who who is able.

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Speaker 4: To get commissary.

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Speaker 3: But every every Friday when they bring us our food,

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Speaker 3: There's there's there's there's.

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Speaker 4: Eyes that are watching us. And thankfully, you know, we

444
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Speaker 4: have enough, and you know a lot of us are

445
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Speaker 4: Christian faith that teaches us to share and yep, to

446
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Speaker 4: bless those who have less.

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Speaker 3: But it's you know, I'm concerned, don about what's gonna

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Speaker 3: happen come January eighteenth, nineteen to twenty, when we're all

449
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Speaker 3: processing to walk out and some of these guys who have.

450
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Speaker 4: You know, they're staring at life in prison.

451
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Speaker 3: What's gonna happen, What's gonna happen with those weapons that

452
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Speaker 3: I've already seen, What's gonna happen with those guys.

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Speaker 4: Who you know, feel entitled to the things that we have.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I would just ask what your audience

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Speaker 3: continues to pray for us, Pray for the men and

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Speaker 3: women that are incarcerated, not just here in the DC jail,

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Speaker 3: but at the BOP facilities across the country, and just

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Speaker 3: pray for President Trump and his administration. I have full

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Speaker 3: confidence that the next four years are going to be

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Speaker 3: better than anything we've seen.

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Speaker 4: Certainly in my life.

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Speaker 2: Amen to that. Amen, Brother, we gotta go, We gotta

463
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Speaker 2: go to break. I can't wait till the next time

464
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Speaker 2: you and I talk and we find out maybe that

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Speaker 2: you are at home, ladies and gentlemen, you're watching Cowboy

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Speaker 2: Logic JAY six coverage, and we'll be back.

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Speaker 1: I guess who just got there today.

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Speaker 2: The round that thought that.

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Speaker 3: Had been away haven't changed, had much to see, but

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Speaker 3: men are still think them cast a question.

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Speaker 1: They were asking if you were around, how.

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Speaker 3: It was, where you could be found.

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Speaker 2: Told them you were living downtown, dropping all the old men, quizing.

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Speaker 1: Town, I said, And.

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Speaker 6: We are back on Cowboy Logic. The boys are back

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Speaker 6: in town. Hopeyirls running the show in d C. Come

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Speaker 6: January twentie, if we can only hope. Well, I think

478
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Speaker 6: this is perfect timing because we're going to talk to

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Speaker 6: Lieutenant Colonel Buzz Patterson. Buzz carried the nuclear football for

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Speaker 6: Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 2: Are you doing brother there?

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Speaker 6: We are great to see you again.

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Speaker 7: To get back on. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 6: It's awesome to have you back on. But your books,

485
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Speaker 6: Dereliction of Duty, the eyewitness account of how Bill Clinton

486
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Speaker 6: compromised America's national security because you carried the nuclear football

487
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Speaker 6: for Bill Clinton, and how many times do you think

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Speaker 6: he lost the nuclear codes.

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Speaker 8: Well, I know for sure at least once. I suspect

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Speaker 8: more times. But in my two years there, I was

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Speaker 8: there from ninety six to ninety eight, he lost them

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Speaker 8: for sure on my shift when I was on duty,

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Speaker 8: and we never did find him, and we don't know

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Speaker 8: how long. He never could remember how long it had been.

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Speaker 8: So I write about this in dere Election of Duty

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Speaker 8: because you know, there is a period of time where

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Speaker 8: our commander in chief did not have the ability to

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Speaker 8: launch nuclear weapons or retaliate with nuclear weapons, and that

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Speaker 8: was Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 6: And I want to get to that. I want to

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Speaker 6: get to that in a minute, because I think now

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Speaker 6: Joe Biden's taught that one.

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Speaker 2: Hey boy, we'll get it. I don't know what are

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Speaker 2: these codes.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Unbelievable. You served twenty years in the Air Force. You

507
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Speaker 6: were the senior military advisor to Bill Clinton, and again

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Speaker 6: you carried the nuclear football. And again You've got a

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Speaker 6: bunch of best sellers, Dereliction of Duty, reckless disregard, war crimes,

510
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Speaker 6: the left's campaign to destroy the military and lose the

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Speaker 6: war on terror. Jude, that's still pretty pertinent at the point.

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Speaker 6: So let's get right. I want to ask you outright.

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Speaker 2: Who's carrying who's got the nuclear codes? Right now?

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Speaker 8: I can almost guarantee you, guys, one hundred percent it's

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Speaker 8: not Joe Biden.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I and I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I suspect it's probably the chief of staff of the

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Speaker 8: White House. You know, it's supposed to be every president

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Speaker 8: since we created these codes, which goes back to Dwight Eisenhower,

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Speaker 8: has carried them on his pant in his pants pocket

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Speaker 8: or his jacket pocket, you know, or somewhere on his person,

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Speaker 8: right on his body. And Clinton was the first person

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Speaker 8: to ever lose those. And I don't believe that Joe

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Speaker 8: Biden is mentally competent to be the guy carrying those around.

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Speaker 8: So I suspect. I mean, I know that there's military

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Speaker 8: aid still working for Biden. I mean there's the same

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Speaker 8: guys doing the same job that I did carrying the football.

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Speaker 8: But the president has the codes, and I guarantee you

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Speaker 8: that Joe Biden does not have them. I think it's

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Speaker 8: probably somebody up the chain that's a little more or.

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Speaker 6: Yeah's Camel John prere Well.

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Speaker 7: I don't think it'd be Kamally either.

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Speaker 8: Just makes me that makes me wonder actually, but you know,

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Speaker 8: there's no way that Joe Biden's taking at three o'clock

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Speaker 8: in the morning phone call, you know, And that's.

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Speaker 7: What would come down to it.

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Speaker 6: It's scary.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, brus so that our beloved

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Speaker 2: viewers can wrap their heads around, uh, kind of the

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Speaker 2: inside baseball to carrying the nuclear football. You always when

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Speaker 2: you were on duty carrying that, satchel, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: it's not a football, okay, but when you were carrying that,

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Speaker 2: you always had to be very close to the president. Correct,

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Speaker 2: what are if you're allowed to disclose, what are those

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Speaker 2: procedures and policies and that type of can give you parameters.

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Speaker 8: I'd give you a broad brushed do So there is

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Speaker 8: always a military eight with the president no matter where

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Speaker 8: he or she goes in the world twenty four to

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Speaker 8: seven Air Force one marine one. So in the White House,

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Speaker 8: I had a bedroom and I had an office, so

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Speaker 8: I was always in I was in the east wing

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Speaker 8: and he would be in the West wing typically right,

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Speaker 8: so I could get down there in a minute and

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Speaker 8: a half.

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Speaker 7: And it's a very time time critical process.

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Speaker 8: So if you think about a missile being shot at, say,

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Speaker 8: for example, China where to shoot one, or Russia where

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Speaker 8: to shoot one over the pole? At US we only

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Speaker 8: have fifteen eighteen minutes max. To make a decision to

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Speaker 8: verify that is actually a launch. Number one, it's the

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Speaker 8: most important thing, right, And then two get to the president.

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Speaker 8: The military eight has the football, the President has the code.

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Speaker 8: You match those up. Then the phone calls go out

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Speaker 8: to the Pentagon, very very secure communications with the Pentagon,

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Speaker 8: the National Military Command Center, and that's when people start

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Speaker 8: turning keys, missile silos and nuclear subs and bombers start launching.

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Speaker 7: And we practiced it. You know, Clinton was very believe

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Speaker 7: it or not.

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Speaker 8: Clinton was fairly focused on the whole process, and he

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Speaker 8: would ask very intelligent questions and I would give him

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Speaker 8: a briefing about once every three months, and we would

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Speaker 8: practice it about once every three months, just to make

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Speaker 8: sure that all the unified commands across all the military

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Speaker 8: services knew what the process was and they were comfortable

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Speaker 8: with the process. And I guarantee you that's not happening

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Speaker 8: today with Biden.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 8: That's why I'm very concerned about well, you know, if Iran,

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Speaker 8: for example, were to launch a nuke at Israel or

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Speaker 8: Israel were to launch one in Iran.

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Speaker 7: We'd be in World War three immediately. And I don't

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Speaker 7: think that.

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Speaker 8: I don't trust that our current commander in chief has

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Speaker 8: the wherewithal to prosecute that.

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Speaker 7: Now. I cannot wait for January twentieth, because I know

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump does.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 7: Love to be a military aid for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm too old for it now, but I

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Speaker 8: mean I can't imagine a better something. You know, I got,

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Speaker 8: I got the short end of the stick, and I

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Speaker 8: got Bill Clinton.

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Speaker 7: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was never a dull moment. It was

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Speaker 2: never a dull moment with Bill.

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Speaker 9: And especially especially and listen, I could be going out

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Speaker 9: on a limb here, but did you ever hear anything

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Speaker 9: flying through the air and smashing against the wall.

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Speaker 2: In your tenure? Is the lamps? I mean lamps and

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Speaker 2: any kind of inimate object. I saw.

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Speaker 8: I saw Hilly throw a hardcover book at the Secret

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Speaker 8: Service driver in the limpy and the beast. We were

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Speaker 8: heading back from some event somewhere, and I was back

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Speaker 8: there with President Clinton talking to him about his speech

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Speaker 8: notes in the back of the limo, and I saw Hillary,

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Speaker 8: who wanted to go to dinner, and Bill didn't want

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Speaker 8: to go to dinner. So and so the Secret Service

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Speaker 8: guy was kind of siding with President Clinton, saying, you know, man,

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Speaker 8: we haven't had a chance to screen and and you know,

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Speaker 8: go through the restaurant and just you know, mag everybody.

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Speaker 8: And so she didn't like that answer, and she took

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Speaker 8: a hardcover book that she was reading and she whipped

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Speaker 8: it across the across the limousine and to hit the

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Speaker 8: Secret Service driver in the back of the head.

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Speaker 7: Now we're going down the highway at.

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Speaker 8: About sixty five seventy in a motorcade, in a motorcade,

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Speaker 8: and I saw the driver's head good out like that,

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Speaker 8: and I go, oh.

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Speaker 6: It could have been It could have been like Cassidy

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Speaker 6: Hutchinson Sidney tried to grab it, to grab the.

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Speaker 7: Wheel, you buzz can't grab the wheel from the back

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Speaker 7: of the beast. That's another thing.

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Speaker 8: You cannot grap that wheel, man, that's about twenty five feet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but in Cassidy's mind, they can, And let's change

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Speaker 2: his mind.

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Speaker 6: You can.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you to speculate on something going out

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Speaker 2: on another limb here. If you were to rank on

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Speaker 2: a scale of one to ten, one being non existent,

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Speaker 2: ten being way over the top positive.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: How would you rank the Roman antique factor of the

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Speaker 2: Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton marriage segment.

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Speaker 6: You're gonna ask him to chance that.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna give you a quick answer. There was none.

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Speaker 8: I never saw them hold hands, I never saw them kiss.

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00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 8: I never saw them And they had separate beds upstairs

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Speaker 8: in the White House, so they didn't sleep together. So

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Speaker 8: I never saw a single intimate moment. And from my

641
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Speaker 8: time there, it was one hundred percent all about business

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Speaker 8: and their relationship, especially you know, I was there during

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Speaker 8: the Monica Lewinsky stuff, and that's when that's when Bill,

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Speaker 8: That's what Hillary basically said, I'm not going to leave you,

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Speaker 8: but you owe me.

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Speaker 7: Yah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd like to be a fly on the wall.

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Speaker 6: I'd like to be a fly on the wall because

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Speaker 6: past conversations that we've had with you, you said, basically,

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Speaker 6: because you had the nuclear football at night, there was

651
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Speaker 6: a wall separating hotel room yours, and you could hear everything.

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Speaker 6: I really wanted to be a final.

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Speaker 7: No, not everything. I didn't want to hear anything I heard.

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Speaker 2: Some things are nauseating. All right, Well, we've had a

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Speaker 2: lot of fun in this segment. But we're gonna come

656
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Speaker 2: back and we're getting it in some deep things here

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Speaker 2: with Colonel Patterson here about some interesting things that have

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Speaker 2: been in the news. Also the fact that we believe

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Speaker 2: he is actually uh, he actually won a congression.

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Speaker 6: He should be a congressman.

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Speaker 2: This should be a congressman, Buzz Patterson. But ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: when we get back, more interesting and fun facts from

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Speaker 2: Colonel Buzz Patterson. You're watching Cowboy Logic. Merry Christmas to you.

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Speaker 6: who carried the nuclear football for Bill Clinton, wrote a book,

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Speaker 6: But yeah, we think what Clinton lost the nuclear codes

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Speaker 6: at least once. According to you and probably the folks

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Speaker 6: who came after you said that happened again.

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Speaker 2: He should have looked under a dress, just at dress.

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Speaker 8: You know. The time the timing was coincidental when he

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Speaker 8: confessed that he had lost the codes was the exact

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Speaker 8: same morning that the Monica Lewinsky thing at.

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Speaker 7: The National Press.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 8: The only thing he cared about, Uh, Donna, Donna, was

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Speaker 8: that he goes he'd been up all night.

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Speaker 7: You could I walked.

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Speaker 8: I was the first person on his briefing schedule that

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Speaker 8: morning at seven am, and I walked in and I

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Speaker 8: saw that I knew Monica personally, so I knew that

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Speaker 8: this has been going on for a while.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 8: And I saw the Washington Post headline that said sex

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Speaker 8: scandal Rock's White House. And then I walked into the

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Speaker 8: Oval office and there's our present. He's got his head

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Speaker 8: in his hands, his eyes are blooded, he's been up

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Speaker 8: all night. And I said, sir, I can come back later.

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Speaker 8: I was just there to talk to him about the

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Speaker 8: nuclear process and and but I said, before I leave,

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Speaker 8: can you tell me? Can you just show me the codes?

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Speaker 8: Just I want to confirm you had the codes? And

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Speaker 8: and that's when he confessed that he had in fact

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Speaker 8: lost him and he didn't remember how long it had been.

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Speaker 8: And I really pressed him on that. I said, sir,

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Speaker 8: has it been weeks or months? He goes, possibly?

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 8: But the thing that well, I said, I said, I'll

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Speaker 8: come back later. I'll come back later and chat with

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Speaker 8: you about it.

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Speaker 7: He's the thing, he says. Walking out the door.

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Speaker 8: He goes, buzz, I don't just don't let anybody else

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Speaker 8: know about this, don't let the press know. I said,

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Speaker 8: I can't survive this if I cannot survive this on

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Speaker 8: top of this, So the Monica thing was on his

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Speaker 8: mind more than anything else, but the fact that he'd

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Speaker 8: lost the codes was secondary, and he didn't want me

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Speaker 8: to go to the press and talk about it, and

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Speaker 8: of course I didn't until I wrote their election to duty.

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Speaker 7: It's all in there, and you did that.

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Speaker 6: Priorities, priorities, Monica over the nuclear codes.

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Speaker 1: Thank god.

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Speaker 6: Vladimir Putin, in my opinion, is showing great restrain even

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Speaker 6: now with Ukraine. But that's another suit.

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Speaker 2: By the way, everybody Buzz Patterson's books are perfect books

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Speaker 2: for Christmas. Perfect books.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I remember you're buzz that we just gave We were

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Speaker 2: giving your books away for Christmas. We would order them

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Speaker 2: on Amazon and we would send them to our family

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Speaker 2: members and then we go visit the family members and

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Speaker 2: they're the books. So Christmas gifts. Everybody Buzz Patterson books

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Speaker 2: for Christmas.

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Speaker 8: If people want to buy them, they can send them

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Speaker 8: to me. An all autograph either before Christmas. Raths awesome, okay, awesome, yep.

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Speaker 6: Get in touch with you on social media on that. Okay,

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Speaker 6: you ran for Congress in twenty twenty, No, he ran, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The seat in Congress.

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Speaker 6: But this is California. I mean, come on, California is

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Speaker 6: still counting from twenty twenty four and miraculously everyone that

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Speaker 6: they recount, the Democrats just managed to eke it out

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Speaker 6: by two three hundred votes. So give us the latest

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Speaker 6: because you actually never conceded either.

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Speaker 8: No, I have not conceded, and I'm still waiting for

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Speaker 8: my vote to be counted. So I ran in California seven,

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Speaker 8: so that used to be prior to the rezoning that

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Speaker 8: was basically Sacramento East into the foothills. Folsome in that area,

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Speaker 8: Granite Bay, beautiful, beautiful area. And I'm convinced that we

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Speaker 8: if we didn't win, we were much closer.

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Speaker 7: I got. I received more.

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Speaker 8: Republican votes than any Republican candidate ever in that district,

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Speaker 8: one hundred percent, more than anybody ever.

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Speaker 7: And all of a sudden, ammy Tommy Bear.

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Speaker 8: Is his name, he ends up, you know, in the

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Speaker 8: last minute, all of a sudden jumping over me. I mean,

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Speaker 8: our polls were, our polls were looking good, and we

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Speaker 8: thought we were we were almost one hundred percent sure

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Speaker 8: we were in. And again my vote, I voted for myself, obviously,

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Speaker 8: and my vote saw us have been counted, so I

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Speaker 8: don't know what kind of snannigans were going on. I

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Speaker 8: suspect a lot of things, and that's why I'm kind

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Speaker 8: of on the periphery involved it with the California Election

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Speaker 8: Integrity Project.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Linda Payne, we've had her on our show. It's

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Speaker 6: been a while. We need to have her back. But

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Speaker 6: I mean, this is the mo o that we're seeing

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Speaker 6: that's been going on for decades now, you know, don't

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Speaker 6: go to sleep. It started with that goofy guy from

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Speaker 6: Saturday Night Live who finally won, you know, after they

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Speaker 6: count olt Frank, I mean, I mean, come on, you know,

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Speaker 6: and they counted, and they they keep counting until they

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Speaker 6: and they're still doing it. In my opinion, the only

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Speaker 6: thing is with Trump in this last case was too

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Speaker 6: big to rig. So it happened all down ballot. So

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Speaker 6: what are they going to do? They really need to

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Speaker 6: clean the voter rolls.

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Speaker 8: They do, and that's where the Election Integrity Project is

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Speaker 8: trying to go. We are suing a whole bunch of

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Speaker 8: different county secretaries and the stex Secretary of State of California,

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Speaker 8: we're suing him as well, and just asking for clean

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Speaker 8: the roles Verify, signature verify, and there's so many dead

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Speaker 8: people that are voting in California to this day. In fact,

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Speaker 8: guys that you know that we're still California is still

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Speaker 8: counting this past elections votes here we are. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 8: been a month, a little over a month and almost

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Speaker 8: a month and a half, and we're still counting.

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Speaker 6: They count until the Democrats win. That's really in the.

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Speaker 7: Crafts have flipped two seats.

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Speaker 8: So there was two really tight house races out here

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Speaker 8: that because of the late and continuous creating a votes

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Speaker 8: and counting, two different seats were flipped by Democrats that

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Speaker 8: we had we had the lead on that we're projected

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Speaker 8: winners out here Republicans, and then because of the month

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Speaker 8: of vote counting, now those two seats of both flip Democratics.

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Speaker 7: So it only works out in one direction.

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Speaker 2: You never see a seat flip from Democrat to Republican.

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Speaker 2: You just don't see that.

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Speaker 6: But that proves it's not the machines, quite honestly, because

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Speaker 6: the machines were shut off on the fifth, they're still

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Speaker 6: counting the mail in ballots and all the other garbage,

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Speaker 6: and you know, it's ridiculous, it's totally ridiculous.

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Speaker 8: Original ballots. The provisional ballot while out here is ridiculous.

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Speaker 8: And you can walk up, you know, with no ID

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Speaker 8: and ask for a provisional on voting.

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Speaker 7: Day and they'll let you vote.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 8: And again there's no vote, no voter ID required out here.

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Speaker 8: And of course that's one of the things I would

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Speaker 8: change immediately. And I hope that Trump goes in there

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Speaker 8: and that mandates a national ID requirement.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what we're hoping as well.

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Speaker 2: We got about we got about three minutes left, and

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Speaker 2: I want to go someplace that obviously is going to

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Speaker 2: be somewhat speculation on your part, But in the news

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Speaker 2: for the past week or so, it appears that New

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Speaker 2: Jersey maybe and other areas along the East coast still yeah,

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Speaker 2: weird things flying around in the sky. Now, you spent

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Speaker 2: a vast majority of your life flying around at very

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Speaker 2: high altitudes in air force jets. What do you think,

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Speaker 2: Because I do know for a fact that there are

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Speaker 2: club cars that at least ten years ago were positioned

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Speaker 2: off the East coast X number of kilometers away that

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Speaker 2: could launch potentially weapons up into a high enough altitude

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Speaker 2: that an EMP could be created. I know that Iran

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Speaker 2: had something to do with that, probably China as well.

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Speaker 2: What do you think is going on with these things

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Speaker 2: that are allegedly the size of SUVs flying around in

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Speaker 2: northern New Jersey and up and down the coast quite frankly.

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Speaker 8: Well, I'm gonna I spent twenty years flying in the

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Speaker 8: Air Force and then another sixteen flying for Delta. So

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Speaker 8: I've got thirty six years in aviation, both military and commercially,

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Speaker 8: and I've been to seventy different countries over my flying experience,

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Speaker 8: and probably every single state in the United States. I think,

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Speaker 8: what's I think this is mass hysteria over absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 8: I think that ninety nine percent of what people are

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Speaker 8: filming or airplanes, their commercial jets or their cargo jets

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Speaker 8: like FedEx and ups. In fact, there was a couple

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Speaker 8: in New Jersey last night that thought was a great

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Speaker 8: idea to use a sniper laser one what they thought

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Speaker 8: was a drone and it was a FedEx jet and

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Speaker 8: it ended up blinding both the pilots temporarily. And so

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Speaker 8: I'm advocating do not I don't care what you think

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Speaker 8: you're looking at, do not point a weapon at it.

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Speaker 8: Do not point a laser at it. It's probably a

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Speaker 8: commercial airliner. I've not seen anything so far in the videos.

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Speaker 8: And again I've been flying twenty thousand hours over the years.

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Speaker 8: I have not seen any video yet that I could

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Speaker 8: not say that is probably a seven thirty seven. On

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Speaker 8: the other hand, I will tell you know that in

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Speaker 8: my thirty six years of flying Don and Donna, I've

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Speaker 8: seen everything. I've sad missile shot at me. I've had

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Speaker 8: fighters intercept me. I've seen satellites in space. When I'm

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Speaker 8: flying over the Pacific late at night, in the middle

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Speaker 8: of the night, you can see the satellites up there

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Speaker 8: operating in In spite of all of those things, I

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Speaker 8: have never seen anything in my thirty six years that

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Speaker 8: I couldn't I couldn't personally identify.

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Speaker 6: Could be a look squirrel. As Joe Biden goes to

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Speaker 6: do another fifteen pardons.

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Speaker 8: I think, you know, I think that there's some there's

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Speaker 8: some I think merit to that Don. I think that,

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Speaker 8: you know, Biden is trying to keep as low a

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Speaker 8: radar signature to you know, use a flying term. He's

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Speaker 8: trying to stay off the radar as much as he

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Speaker 8: possibly can and having people speculate about drones in New

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Speaker 8: Jersey is the perfect way to cut right.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and Mike, welcome to Cowboy Logic for the first time.

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Speaker 2: You have been on this show more times than you

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Speaker 6: him because it really is like getting an advanced degree.

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Speaker 6: the executive director and how former State Department official and

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Speaker 6: founder of Foundation for Freedom Online again, Foundation for Freedom

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Speaker 6: Online dot Com and at Mike ben Cyber So, Mike,

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Speaker 6: I want to get right to things, because right off

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Speaker 6: the bat, your Hillsdale College address lecture that you did

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Speaker 6: is like a major history lesson on the BLOB. It

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Speaker 6: was epic talk about that a little bit, because I

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Speaker 6: think that's where people really need to really lies that

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Speaker 6: the government doesn't really have our best interests at heart.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Well, I was only able to get halfway through the

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Speaker 11: lecture material, unfortunately, but it was I think basically, you know,

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Speaker 11: they'd asked me to give a talk on the history

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Speaker 11: of the intelligence state, and it was sort of a

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Speaker 11: funny thing to try to structure because I think a

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Speaker 11: lot of people think that the intelligence community is sort

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Speaker 11: of at the top of the food chain when it

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Speaker 11: comes to power dynamics in the American government and don't

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Speaker 11: really see how it's all sort of connected and how

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Speaker 11: places like the CIA sort of are really a secondary

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Speaker 11: support group for a lot of the primary power structures

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Speaker 11: that come out of the State Department or the Defense Department,

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Speaker 11: and so in that lecture, I went over the history

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Speaker 11: of basically how they're allowed to lie to us, the

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Speaker 11: history of what's known as the plausible deniability doctrine, which

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Speaker 11: came out of a National Security Council memo in nineteen

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Speaker 11: forty eight, around the time that the entire US military

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Speaker 11: and the entire US state craft apparatus was reorienting from

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Speaker 11: kinetic war to political war. And this coincided with international

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Speaker 11: laws that prohibited taking over territory by military force, and

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Speaker 11: so we had to start winning military battles through controlling

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Speaker 11: civilian elections. And that's really where the cia its got

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Speaker 11: its clause from, and how so much of the outside

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Speaker 11: NGOs and universities and private sector organizations got folded into

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Speaker 11: CIA work.

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Speaker 2: You were very clear in that speech, which by the way,

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Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, all you got to do is search

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Speaker 2: for Mike Ben's Hillsdale College and you can watch this.

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Speaker 2: It's approximately forty five minutes long. He was cut off,

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Speaker 2: but an amazing education. But one of the things that

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Speaker 2: struck me as troubling and interesting at the same time

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Speaker 2: was the relationship that you described between the State Department

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Speaker 2: and the CIA. Do you want to expand on that

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Speaker 2: at all.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, So the creation of the CIA came out of

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Speaker 11: this military oss this sort of military clandestine service capacity

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Speaker 11: that we had during World War Two. And it's the

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Speaker 11: plausible deniability doctrine that gives the CI its ability to

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Speaker 11: lie about what it does. That is to get away

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Speaker 11: with arson, sabotage, black propaganda, demolition, you name it. Up

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Speaker 11: until the nineteen seventies, they were authorized for murder. You know,

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Speaker 11: there's the famous heart attack gun that was held up

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Speaker 11: in the Church Committee hearings, the killings of La Mumba

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Speaker 11: and Allende and world leaders, journalists, political figures all over

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Speaker 11: the world. This was all done because the State Department

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Speaker 11: had a need for dirty deeds done dirt cheap, so

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Speaker 11: to speak, but without US government fingerprints on it. So

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Speaker 11: the State Department, when they want something done but they

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Speaker 11: don't want to take responsibility for it, they delegate things

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Speaker 11: to the intelligence community in the same way that a mafia.

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Speaker 11: You know, I give the analogy a lot of times

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Speaker 11: about you know, the sopranos, right, and they see these

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Speaker 11: henchmen like Furio come in and you know, break the

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Speaker 11: windows and shake down the you know, the laundromat for

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Speaker 11: the cash to pay the Soprano family and a lot

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Speaker 11: of people when they see their house get you know,

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Speaker 11: their doors get kicked in, their windows get smashed, and

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Speaker 11: they see Furio do it, it's there's a very common

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Speaker 11: impulse to say, oh, well, that means Furios the head

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Speaker 11: of the mob, because he's the one who did this

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Speaker 11: to me, not realizing that, you know, that's actually sort

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Speaker 11: of the henchman, the sort of foot soldier layer of

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Speaker 11: what's going on. And so you know, when someone is

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Speaker 11: the CIA director and then they get the job as

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Speaker 11: the head of the State Department, that's a promotion. You know,

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Speaker 11: When Mike POMPEII was the head of the CIA and

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Speaker 11: then he became the head of the State Department, that

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Speaker 11: was him moving up, not him moving down. When Leon

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Speaker 11: Panetta was the head of the CIA and then became

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Speaker 11: head of the Defense Department, that's a promotion. That's him

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Speaker 11: moving up, not moving down. That's why you don't see

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Speaker 11: it in reverse in people's career trajectories. But even look

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Speaker 11: at our current CIA for the next month, Bill Burns,

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Speaker 11: how's Bill Burns, the head of the entire CIA. He

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Speaker 11: never worked for the CIA a day in his life,

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Speaker 11: so what's his background. He was there for thirty five

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Speaker 11: years at the State Department, and the State Department coordinates

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Speaker 11: all things with the CIA. And so in that memo,

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Speaker 11: I went over in Hillsdale, the inauguration of organized political warfare.

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Speaker 11: That's the name of the That's the name of the

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Speaker 11: memo by George Kennon, who at the time was the

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Speaker 11: head of the Policy Planning Staff of the State Department,

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Speaker 11: which coordinates State Department CI activity. They went over all

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Speaker 11: the reasons why why they wanted to park the CIA

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Speaker 11: initially at the State Department, but thought that they could

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Speaker 11: not conceal what the CI was doing from its budget,

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Speaker 11: and they could not have type it could not have

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Speaker 11: the fingerprints of the State Department on it. So they'd

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Speaker 11: simply have an outside, outside spy agency that would simply

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Speaker 11: coordinate and synchronize and support the State Department's wish list

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Speaker 11: items that it couldn't do directly itself.

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Speaker 6: Can't imagine what Hillary Clinton did as Secretary State. I mean,

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Speaker 6: nobody talks about uranium one anymore, you know. But it's Russia.

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Speaker 6: Russia Russia with Donald Trump, and I guess we got

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Speaker 6: a couple of minutes left in the segment. Marco Rubio,

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Speaker 6: if he gets confirmed, is certainly going to have his

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Speaker 6: work cutout for him there.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, he absolutely will. You know, Marco Rubio is a

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Speaker 11: really interesting figure in this I've not met him personally.

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Speaker 11: He seems like a nice guy. I would love the

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Speaker 11: opportunity to brief him on some of the things that

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Speaker 11: he's up against. If folks remember, I think Mark Rubio

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Speaker 11: was being floated as a potential vice presidential pick for

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Speaker 11: Trump for a time. There was a lot there were

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Speaker 11: a lot of rumors that he was going to be

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Speaker 11: the VP instead of JD. Vance. And I don't know

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Speaker 11: if he has presidential ambitions in twenty twenty eight or

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Speaker 11: twenty thirty two, but in some respects he will be

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Speaker 11: more powerful as the secretary of State than he will

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Speaker 11: be as that he would be as vice president.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 11: It's very common. It's very common for secretaries of state

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Speaker 11: to run for president, and we had obviously John Kerry,

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Speaker 11: Hillary Clinton. Mitt Romney wanted to be the secretary of

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Speaker 11: State under Donald Trump. After his presidential run in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 11: John McCain was a very magnificant State Department figure. You

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Speaker 11: have this, You have these I guess power dynamics around

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Speaker 11: Mark Rubio's background network that I fear are going to

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Speaker 11: be in conflict with the Trump agenda. And I'm very

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Speaker 11: curious to see how Mark Rubio is going to thread

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Speaker 11: those needles. So, for example, Marco Rubio this year won

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Speaker 11: the John McCain Award, the annual John mccae.

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Speaker 6: That's all you need to say.

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Speaker 11: I'll say a little bit more because well, hold on,

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Speaker 11: hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 2: There you go, ladies and gentlemen. Now we're going to

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Speaker 2: go to break and when we get back, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have Mike explain why that's such a nugget.

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Speaker 4: Mike.

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Speaker 2: Also, when we get back, Donna is very on top

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Speaker 2: and interested in the smith Mont Act.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, which you talked about in your uh Hillsdale.

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Speaker 2: Com We definitely want to let you go there, ladies

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Speaker 2: and gentlemen. We got Mike Ben's in his Christmas sweater

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Speaker 2: in the barn with us for the entire hour you're

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Speaker 2: watching Cowboy Logic. We're gonna get deep into weeds.

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Speaker 6: And we're back on Cowboy Logic with the great Mike

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Speaker 6: Bens the cliffhanger that he left us in. You know,

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Speaker 6: you talk about Marco Rubio and you kind of have

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Speaker 6: your questions about how he's going to really play into

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Speaker 6: the Trump organization. And the first thing I thought of was, really,

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Speaker 6: I mean, we're talking little Marco here. You don't think

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Speaker 6: there can be some grudges there. But again, elaborate on

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Speaker 6: what you were saying going into.

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Speaker 11: John McCain, Brake, Well, I think he's he's sort of

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Speaker 11: stuck between you know, I say this, sometimes he's stuck

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Speaker 11: between a blob and a hard place, which is that

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Speaker 11: Marco Rubio I think has made some legitimate shifts into

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Speaker 11: the Trump aligned agenda, especially domestically, but there's a split

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Speaker 11: when it comes to the American empire. So Donald Trump

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Speaker 11: ran on making America great again and on reorienting American

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Speaker 11: foreign policy around prioritizing the American homeland, which is really

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Speaker 11: what our blob, our foreign policy establishment was set up

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Speaker 11: to do in the first place. You know, the reason,

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Speaker 11: for example, the CIA has this plausible deniability doctrine that

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Speaker 11: we discussed is ultimately to help the American homeland. When

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Speaker 11: the CIA goes in and overthrows the government of Iran

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Speaker 11: in the nineteen the nineteen fifties in order to help

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Speaker 11: acquire and extract the oil resources in Iran, When the

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Speaker 11: CIA backs al Qaeda groups in Syria in order to

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Speaker 11: take the oil from the oil pipelines, When the CI

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Speaker 11: works with the narco cartels in South America in order

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Speaker 11: to help those paramilitary activities unseat governments in Nicaragua, or

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Speaker 11: in Colombia or in Venezuela. That is all ostensibly so

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Speaker 11: that Americans have cheaper gas prices, so that Americans have

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Speaker 11: multinational corporations that can export American goods and services to

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Speaker 11: foreign countries, so that America can extract the resources, so

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Speaker 11: that Americans can have four oh one ks and pensions,

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Speaker 11: and middle class lifestyles and affordable homes and affordable healthcare.

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Speaker 11: But when globalization really started to not have the kind

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Speaker 11: of trickle down economics that I think a lot of

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Speaker 11: people through the Reagan era assumed would continue indefinitely, when

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Speaker 11: our own multinational corporations started offshoring all of their manufacturing

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Speaker 11: so that they were not Americans in the American jobs

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Speaker 11: that were supposed to be getting more lucrative from conquering

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Speaker 11: the world. When Americans were not using the high skill labor,

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Speaker 11: when we no longer had that manufacturing miracle, you started

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Speaker 11: to see companies and institutions that were headquartered here but

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Speaker 11: that were primarily focused on their outside empire. And so

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Speaker 11: Mark Rubio has been supported by those networks that are

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Speaker 11: primarily focused on the empire rather than the homeland. So

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Speaker 11: right before that last break, I was talking about the

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Speaker 11: John McCain Award that Mark Rubio won just this year

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Speaker 11: in twenty twenty four from the IRI. The International Republican Institute,

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Speaker 11: now the International Republican Institute is a really interesting organization.

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Speaker 11: It was created in nineteen eighty three. It was under

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Speaker 11: mild Reagan It came out of this catastrophe at the

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Speaker 11: CIA during the nineteen seventies when Jimmy Carter had fired

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Speaker 11: thirty percent of the CIA in a single day, made

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Speaker 11: it their budget. The CIA was humiliated because of the

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Speaker 11: Church Committee hearings and the Democratic Party fallout of their support,

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Speaker 11: and after the Iran hostage situation in nineteen seventy nine,

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Speaker 11: Reagan wanted the CIA's old powers back but didn't have

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Speaker 11: the political capital to pull it off. So their compromise

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Speaker 11: position was the creation of an NGO that would do

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Speaker 11: what the CIA used to do, and it would have

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Speaker 11: the it would not have CIA fingerprints on it. And

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Speaker 11: so in the same way, you have this relationship between

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Speaker 11: the CIA and the State Department where things are you know,

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Speaker 11: the State Department wants something done, but they don't want

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Speaker 11: to claim credit for it, so they give it to

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Speaker 11: the CIA to do and the CI works of the

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Speaker 11: State Department, but then the government disclaims it. So when

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Speaker 11: you hear about it in the news, the US government

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Speaker 11: officially denies it. Like the nord Stream pipeline attack, for example,

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Speaker 11: we heard, we heard the State Department come out and

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Speaker 11: suggests that Russia may have done that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they're going to blow up their own pipeline.

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Speaker 11: Well, right, but they knew they knew that. And this

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Speaker 11: is a really important point, is that when you go

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Speaker 11: back and you look at that, it's an absolute scandal,

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Speaker 11: because we now know, according to the New York Times

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Speaker 11: and according to the German government which caught the Ukrainian

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Speaker 11: divers who planted the explosives at the bottom of the

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Speaker 11: Baltic Sea there, that the CIA had at the very

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Speaker 11: least advanced notice of this operation. The way the New

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Speaker 11: York Times described it is that is that the CIA

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Speaker 11: told them not to do it after learning of the plan,

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Speaker 11: but they told a general in the Ukrainian Army and

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Speaker 11: the message didn't get through to the Ukrainian diving team. So,

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Speaker 11: no matter how you slice it, at the very least

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Speaker 11: the CIA knew that the Ukrainians did it, or that

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Speaker 11: the UK the Ukrainian diving team did it. And that's

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Speaker 11: being very charitable, right to say nothing of the possibility

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Speaker 11: that they trained them, that they said don't do it.

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Speaker 11: Wink wink, nudge, nudge ie. If you get caught, we

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Speaker 11: can't tell you that we did it. But the very

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Speaker 11: least the CIA knew, well, you know, who the CIA

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Speaker 11: writes the analyst memos for it. There's no way the

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Speaker 11: CIA knew that in the State Department did There's no

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Speaker 11: possible conceivable way. Everything the CIA does is on behalf

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Speaker 11: of either the State Department or the Defense Department. Obviously,

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Speaker 11: the DoD is all over Ukraine, and every CIA analyst

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Speaker 11: memo about the North Stream pipeline is going to mention

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Speaker 11: the Ukrainian plans to blow up the pipeline. So for

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Speaker 11: the State Department to come out to the American people

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Speaker 11: and tell the American people Russia may have done it,

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Speaker 11: when the State Department knew full well that it was

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Speaker 11: done by this Ukrainian diving team, because the CIA was

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Speaker 11: literally in constant communication with them during the whole plot.

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Speaker 11: But this is how lies get laundered. But coming back

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Speaker 11: to this Mark Arrubio story, so they had to create

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Speaker 11: another layer of clause withniability in the nineteen eighties, so

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Speaker 11: that because the CIA was in so much trouble, because

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Speaker 11: you had all these scandals where people were being caught

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Speaker 11: essentially as w two employees of the CIA when they

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Speaker 11: got busted during operations like Eugene Hasenfuss in Iran Contra

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Speaker 11: and what was. You know, every time someone, you know,

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Speaker 11: their wallet was found at the crime scene and it

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Speaker 11: turned out they worked for the CI, was a major scandal.

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Speaker 11: So they created another layer of plausible no ability called

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Speaker 11: the National NEMA for Democracy, which has two political branches.

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Speaker 11: One of them is the DNC wing. It's called the NDI.

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Speaker 11: The other one's called the IRI, the International Republican Institute.

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Speaker 11: It was created by John McCain in nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 11: He ran it for twenty five years until he ran

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Speaker 11: for president against Barack Obama. But that IRI organization is

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Speaker 11: a CIA cutout. It was set up expressly at the

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Speaker 11: request of the CIA. And so this is the group

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Speaker 11: who is giving you know, Mark Rubio the award. Mark Rubio,

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Speaker 11: folks remember, was also the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

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Speaker 11: He was the number one guy in Congress overseeing the CIA.

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Speaker 11: It's also in the House Foreign Affairs Committee overseeing the

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Speaker 11: State Department. And so there's no doubt in a sense

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Speaker 11: Marco Rubio is eminently qualified for the position. The issue

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Speaker 11: is is qualification, the most important qualification in the sense

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Speaker 11: that there are highly qualified people who do very bad things.

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Speaker 11: And my fear is that Trump's foreign policy when it

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Speaker 11: comes to places like Ukraine and Russia are going to

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Speaker 11: are going to run into conflict with the traditional donors

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Speaker 11: and backers of Marco Rubio, And will will Trump get

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Speaker 11: pushed into foreign policy interventions because of Rubio at the

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Speaker 11: helm that he might not otherwise want to do? And

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Speaker 11: this sort of gets the larger question of why why

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Speaker 11: Rubio was selected for that position. What conversations was Trump

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Speaker 11: having with his own donors, with his own consortium in Congress?

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Speaker 11: Was this done as a favor to Trump's to Trump's donors,

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Speaker 11: was it done as a favor to John Thune and

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Speaker 11: Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski and the whole sort of

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Speaker 11: never Trump block within the GOP that sides with the

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Speaker 11: Democrats and that may result in Cash Bettel not getting

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Speaker 11: confirmed or Pete Hagseeth getting confirmed. Is this sort of

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Speaker 11: a favor in the favor bank? And will that endure

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Speaker 11: through Trump's presidency? Or will Marco Rubio, if he has

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Speaker 11: presidential aspirations, faithfully execute the president's agenda because he doesn't

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Speaker 11: want to inflame Trump's base?

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, it's such a tangled web, and the

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Speaker 6: one thing that so many people are critical of President

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Speaker 6: Trump for was you know, the people around him first

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Speaker 6: time around, and he does, I think have a better

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Speaker 6: case going into his second term. But you know there

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Speaker 6: are you're not going to like everybody. When we come

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Speaker 6: back from the break, I want to talk about well,

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Speaker 6: John McCain and in my opinion, the Smith Montdac things

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Speaker 6: really kind of fell apart from Barack Obama on I

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Speaker 6: mean it was starting to slide already, but went into

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Speaker 6: hyperdrive with Barack Obama and the Smith Mondac that essentially

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Speaker 6: allowed the mainstream media to lie with impunity and people

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Speaker 6: don't realize that that's been going on now since two

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Speaker 6: thousand and nine, twenty ten or whatever. And also John

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Speaker 6: McCain with healthcare and the collective gasp when he refused

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Speaker 6: to kill healthcare. Just a lot of stuff that's gone

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Speaker 6: down in the last decade or so. Back with Mike

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Speaker 6: Bens on Cowboy logic right.

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Speaker 13: After this.

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Speaker 14: thousands of miles driven, hundreds and hundreds of hours of

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Speaker 16: The Biden administration has been reversing the vast majority of

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Speaker 16: the Trump Administration's successful border enforcement policies. They are dismantling

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Speaker 16: immigration enforcement. They are encouraging illegal immigration, encouraging it, and

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Speaker 16: that's been happening for the last two years. It's beyond

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Speaker 17: A month after month after month, we have set records

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Speaker 17: for migrants coming into the country, and frankly, I think

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Speaker 17: it's intentional.

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Speaker 4: It's not going to stop, nor should we want it

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Speaker 4: to stop. As a matter of.

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Speaker 13: Fact, it's one of the things I think we can

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Speaker 13: be most proud.

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Speaker 17: Of under President Trump. The border was secure under President Biden.

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Speaker 17: There is no boord and Americans are paying the price.

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Speaker 2: We have to take over.

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Speaker 13: We have to be tough, we have to be smart,

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Speaker 13: we have to be fair.

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Speaker 10: But if we don't do something immediately, our country is God.

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Speaker 2: All right, everybody, welcome back to Capitaly Logic. Listen, each

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Speaker 11: Okay. I think where you're going to play is when

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Speaker 11: I snuck past security at mar a Lago earlier this year.

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Speaker 11: You know, I was at this little event there and

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Speaker 11: I think it was a porter wall event, and you know,

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Speaker 11: everyone was drinking as having a good time. I see that,

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Speaker 11: you know, the agents are not guarding the stairwell that

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Speaker 11: leads into the main room. So I'm like, let me,

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Speaker 11: let me see how much trouble I can get in here,

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01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 11: so maybe they won't catch me. So I walk into

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Speaker 11: the main room and I see there's nobody there. There's

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Speaker 11: no guards, there's no people. I'm like, okay, the piano

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Speaker 11: is completely undefended. This is like a once.

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Speaker 4: Piano.

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Speaker 11: So I just turned on the recorder and I just

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Speaker 11: think I was playing some variation of Gypsy by Fleetwood

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Speaker 11: mac rolling Luke. I'm alone in the Marloco Grandpa room.

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Speaker 12: It's just me and the piano.

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Speaker 8: Let's go.

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Speaker 6: The l.

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Speaker 1: That's yeah.

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Speaker 6: Security, Yeah, did they come after after that?

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Speaker 11: It's too fun. They were like they were like we

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01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 11: actually saw you the whole time, but we thought we'd

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Speaker 11: give you.

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Speaker 2: Well, there you go, ladies and gentlemen, the smartest person

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Speaker 2: in the room. And now you can be the most

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Speaker 2: talented and entertaining. Plus you can be evasive of secret

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01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 2: series by study and that's not good.

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Speaker 7: All right, back to business.

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Speaker 6: Well, I really want to go back to to me.

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Speaker 6: The country went to hell in a hand basket in

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01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 6: hyper drive, if you will, with Barack Obama. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I I think we have Obama Part three right now

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01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:04,560
Speaker 6: with Joe Biden. I'd like to know who has the

1334
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 6: nuclear football, which we're going to ask Buzz Patterson later

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Speaker 6: on actually as far as that is concerned, because he

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Speaker 6: did carry the nuclear football for Bill Clinton. But I

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Speaker 6: mean the thing is he got rid of the Smith

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Speaker 6: Mont Act, the healthcare situation, everything, Just comment on that

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Speaker 6: if you would.

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Speaker 11: Well, quick note on the healthcare situation, if folks recall

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01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 11: who was it who cast the deciding vote, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 11: to keep the healthcare monstrosity under Obama. It was John McCain.

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Speaker 11: It was the Republican Arizona senator, former head of the

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Speaker 11: CIA wing of the GOP, John McCain, who had ran

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Speaker 11: against Barack Obama in two thousand and eight, who was

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Speaker 11: the deciding vote that maintained that healthcare But you know

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Speaker 11: what Obama did in twenty thirteen was he ended the

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Speaker 11: firewall that had existed since nineteen forty eight when it

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Speaker 11: comes to psychological operations, information control, influence over the news industry.

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Speaker 11: So we talked earlier about how when the CIA was

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Speaker 11: set up in nineteen forty seven and it was given

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Speaker 11: this plausible deniability power in nineteen forty eight, one of

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Speaker 11: the major enumerated powers of the CIA was to do

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Speaker 11: black propaganda, i e. Lies, tell tell me lies, tell

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Speaker 11: me sweet little lies. If we're continuing, it would mac

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01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 11: thing here, which is that the CI is not just

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Speaker 11: a spy agency. They are licensed to lie. They are

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Speaker 11: licensed to lie to the world because we spread rumors,

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Speaker 11: We influence and sometimes even outright control news organizations that

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Speaker 11: produce false news stories in foreign countries designed to influence

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Speaker 11: the course of events in a way favorable to the

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Speaker 11: United States. So, for example, if there's a country that

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Speaker 11: we want to go to war with another country, we

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Speaker 11: will print false news stories accusing that other country of

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Speaker 11: attacking that country or of doing you know, atrocities or sabotage,

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Speaker 11: and the whole thing will be a lie. But the

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Speaker 11: CIA is licensed to lie, it's licensed to work with

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Speaker 11: those media companies to produce those lies, to distribute them,

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Speaker 11: because it's supposed to be in the US citizen's interest

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Speaker 11: if that is an articulated foreign policy goal of the

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Speaker 11: State Department to influence that country a certain way. It's

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Speaker 11: again supposed to get us cheaper gas, it's supposed to

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Speaker 11: get us more affordable healthcare, affordable homes, you know, the

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Speaker 11: whole you know, sort of positive benefits of being in

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Speaker 11: the homeland of the country with the largest empire on Earth.

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Speaker 11: But so they were allowed to lie to the outside world.

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Speaker 11: That was set up in nineteen forty eight through something

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Speaker 11: called the smith Mont Act, which which was you know,

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Speaker 11: the same year that the plausible deniability doctrine was produced,

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Speaker 11: was agreed on. And so it's not an accident that

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Speaker 11: that happened the same year as they were creating these

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Speaker 11: cloak and dagger department of dirty tricks at CIA and

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01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,799
Speaker 11: at State. They wanted a firewall to protect the American

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Speaker 11: people from the lies of the spy agencies, and so

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Speaker 11: that existed from nineteen forty eight until twenty thirteen, really

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Speaker 11: right before you know, this is the second term of

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Speaker 11: the Obama administration, right before Trump became president. So this

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Speaker 11: is still a very new thing that we're living in.

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Speaker 11: It's only a decade old that the Smith Month Protection

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Speaker 11: has been destroyed. But what they did is they tucked

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Speaker 11: it through in the NDAA, which is which is almost

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Speaker 11: it's always approved because it's a sort of military spending

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Speaker 11: high priority. Ever gets folded into the NDA is very

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Speaker 11: difficult to unpluck. And so they put this this something

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Speaker 11: which was a you know, this was passed by Congress,

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Speaker 11: the Smith Month Act, and they put it essentially in

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Speaker 11: a budget addendum. They called it the Smith Modernization. I

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Speaker 11: think they did that as a way to try to

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Speaker 11: minimize public perception of how significant it was.

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Speaker 6: Mike, we only got like thirty seconds. We only got

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Speaker 6: like thirty seconds in this. But to your point, it

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Speaker 6: was slid in there, and I think most laws no idea.

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Speaker 6: And now we've had, you know, close to a decade

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Speaker 6: of complete lies, and the world, in my opinion, is

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01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 6: at this point, is seeing that, well, maybe the US

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01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 6: government isn't the great person or the great country that

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Speaker 6: so many people saw it as so we'll come back

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Speaker 6: right after the break with more with Mike Ben's right

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Speaker 6: after this.

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Speaker 2: Little so.

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Speaker 6: So. Hi.

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Speaker 3: My name is Jeff mckella, retired Special Forces, Third Group,

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Speaker 3: three ninety four and three ninety six.

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Speaker 4: I'm being held against my will.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, brother, Jeff mckella coming to you guys. That

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01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 2: was like two years ago. He was coming to you

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Speaker 2: from within the DC Gulag. Shout out to you, guys.

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01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 2: I'm being held as a little hostage.

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Speaker 6: He still is yep, and he still is yours untried.

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Speaker 2: And we are counting the days. Mike Ben's come back

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Speaker 2: in here with us, my friend. Uh we first of all,

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Speaker 2: we appreciate the amount of time you've given us today.

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01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 2: To have you on here for an entire hours is

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01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 2: a is a pleasure. It's an educational experience, and it's

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Speaker 2: an honor.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: And Mike, I do follow you. Like I say at

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01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 6: Mike Bens cyber folks, I suggest you do the same

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01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 6: what you've come up with lately and what you've said,

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01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 6: which is you huge. And again it goes back to

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Speaker 6: Barack Obama. Democracy always talks about democracy, and I scream

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01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 6: at the TV, we have republic we don't have a democracy.

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01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 6: But democracy is a code word for color revolution, and

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01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 6: that's huge. And what you've said, and Barack Obama also said,

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01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:21,719
Speaker 6: isis is the JV team. What you've sort of talked

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01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 6: about and with great facts, is that MAGA has now

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01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 6: become the target. MAGA has become the ISIS of this government.

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Speaker 6: The government has turned on the American people.

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01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 11: Yeah, if anyone goes to Google dot com and puts

1440
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 11: in MAGA and isis right next to each other, and

1441
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 11: run a Boolean search for you before twenty twenty three

1442
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 11: or before twenty twenty two, you'll see that this is

1443
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 11: openly discussed by the intelligence community by John Brennan, by

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01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 11: James Clapper. In fact, our DHS, even which was set

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01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 11: up initially in the response to alcohol and nine to

1446
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 11: eleven DHS, actually set up a domestic intelligence surveillance capacity.

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01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 11: They put John Brennan and James Clapper, who had declared

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01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 11: MAGA the new ISIS, at the helm of this. In

1449
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 11: their documents, which were obtained by Stephen Miller's America First Legal,

1450
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 11: they explicitly targeted their main target for setting this up

1451
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 11: was supporters of Donald Trump, and their logic is that

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01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 11: MAGA is an insurgent group that it is, it's an

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01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 11: effectively a kind of insurgency that has a will to power,

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01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 11: and so our counter insurgency forces, within the military, within

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01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 11: the State department, within the intelligence community can all be

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01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 11: deployed to contain the political threat of the insurgent MAGA

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01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 11: group in the same way that in Afghanistan they were

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01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 11: deployed to stop the political rise of the Taliban or

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Speaker 11: in you know, it's actually the situation now, ironically in Syria,

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Speaker 11: because the isis adjacent al Qaeda. Al Qaeda groups have

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Speaker 11: been backed by the US intelligence community. Ironically, you know,

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01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:14,719
Speaker 11: there's currently as we now speak, there is a US

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Speaker 11: embassy in Syria tweet calling for a ten million dollar

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01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 11: bounty on Mohammed Aljelani's head. Mohammed Algelani is now the

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Speaker 11: de facto leader of Syria. He was the one who

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Speaker 11: led the rebel forces. And you know, the Trump wanted

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01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 11: to eliminate al Qaeda, And I think that's what's behind

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Speaker 11: what's happening in Syria right now is they know that

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Speaker 11: if they didn't deploy all their firepower to topple that government,

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Speaker 11: Trump would not have authorized it. But now it's now

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Speaker 11: it's too late. But you know on the on the

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Speaker 11: January sixth front, there's what we can we can get

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Speaker 11: into that. I don't know if you have a more targets.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm thinking Cash Pagel. You know he's gonna has

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01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 6: actually said that he knows what was going on. Uh,

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01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 6: you know, to plan January six happened months in advance,

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Speaker 6: and we have some jan sixers tried, they tried.

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Speaker 2: You guys just saw him and you see him almost

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Speaker 2: every week on the show. And that's Jeff mccallop.

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Speaker 4: Mike.

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Speaker 2: Jeff mccallop is currently sitting in a medical treatment facility

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Speaker 2: in Dallas, Texas, pre trial attention going on four years

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01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 2: twenty two years Special Forces Army Ranger. After that he

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Speaker 2: was a contractor for the CIA. On January sixth, he

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01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 2: had ts clearance with the CIA. What he spent his

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01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 2: time doing in the military, and quite frankly, probably during

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Speaker 2: his days with the CIA, were color revolution in the

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Speaker 2: Middle East, in Europe, in North Africa, and when he

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Speaker 2: was on the Lower West Terrace on January sixth, he

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Speaker 2: has said in no uncertain terms that he saw what

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Speaker 2: he had been trained to do taking place in foreign countries.

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Speaker 2: He saw it taking place at the Capitol on January sixth.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to expand on that at all? Probably,

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Speaker 2: never having spoken to Jeff McCallum.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely. There's two start dates, you know, for how far

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Speaker 11: this goes back. I mean you can go back to

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Speaker 11: June twenty twenty, you know, about seven months before January sixth,

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Speaker 11: when the Transition Integrity Project plan came up with a plan.

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Speaker 11: This actually leaked to the Boston Herald I think they're

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Speaker 11: the Boston Globe. They came up with a plan to

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01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 11: stop what they called a clear Trump win in the

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Speaker 11: event that Trump won the Electoral College, and how they

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01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 11: would how they would make sure that Trump still was

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01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 11: not inaugurated even if he won the presidency. And in

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01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 11: that plan they went over how to their plan to

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01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 11: induce a breakdown on January sixth to stop the authorization

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Speaker 11: of the votes there. Now, the Transition Integrity Project was

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01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 11: run at the head of it by Rosa Brooks, who

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Speaker 11: was the Under Secretary of Defense for for Barack Obama,

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01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 11: so high ranking Pentagon official who had a CIA blue

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Speaker 11: edge according to chapter one of her own book, So

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Speaker 11: you had a high ranking DoD CIA person running a

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Speaker 11: network of folks which spanned the entire military intelligence statecraft orbit.

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Speaker 11: You can look into the Transition Integrity Project on my

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Speaker 11: timeline at Mike ben Cyber. You'll see hundreds of posts

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Speaker 11: and source documents documenting all of this, and so we

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Speaker 11: know there was already a long rage plan to potentially

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Speaker 11: induce a breakdown. On January sixth, at the time, they

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Speaker 11: were contemplating using Black Lives Matter protesters. They talked about

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Speaker 11: how they needed to deploy they need to pump up

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Speaker 11: in finance BLM in order to serve as a sort

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Speaker 11: of color revolutionary street muscle that could shut down transportation,

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Speaker 11: that could create this sort of pro democracy in premature

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Speaker 11: to put on the on the coup movement. But then

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Speaker 11: on November ninth, just a few days after the twenty

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Speaker 11: twenty election, there was a meeting between Mark Milly, the

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Speaker 11: head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Gina Haspell,

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Speaker 11: the head of the CIA, and the New York Times

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Speaker 11: report of this. What they said that that conversation went

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Speaker 11: over was that Mark Milly and Gina Haspell agreed that

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Speaker 11: there was that a right wing coup was afoot and

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Speaker 11: something need to be done to stop it. Now, when

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Speaker 11: the head of the Joint chiefs of Staff of the

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Speaker 11: military and the head of the CIA say that they

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Speaker 11: suspect a coup is underway, they don't just go back

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Speaker 11: to their desks with their sitting on their thumbs and

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Speaker 11: just go lotty dotty dot Okay, Pribaly shouldn't do anything

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Speaker 11: about it. No, what they do is they set in

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Speaker 11: motion their counter intelligence capacities to stop it. And this

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Speaker 11: is what they were talking about in June twenty twenty,

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Speaker 11: is that we need a counter coup capacity to stop

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Speaker 11: a coup. But then what happens if there's no coup?

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Speaker 11: What happens if it's organic. Well, then now you have

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Speaker 11: a coup to stop the non coup. But you've got

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Speaker 11: your sort of plausible deniability around it. And and this

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Speaker 11: is what you saw. The military fingerprints all over January

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Speaker 11: sixth are absolutely extraordinary.

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Speaker 6: At one minute, so one minute, yeah, got one minute.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, keep going.

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Speaker 11: There's a lot here and now there's just a lot here.

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Speaker 11: But you know I always say that, Now, remember the

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Speaker 11: CIA supports either the State Department or the DoD. That's

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Speaker 11: all they do. They're plausibly, plausibly deniable support for the

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Speaker 11: State Department National Interest or for the DoD on National security.

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Speaker 11: And I always say that as time goes by, we

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Speaker 11: will see more and more that the January sixth story

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Speaker 11: points in a straight line to Mark Millie uh and

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Speaker 11: that the military side of this, and you have these

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Speaker 11: CIA elements because of the plausibly deniable elements of it.

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Speaker 11: But you had you had the military folks at the

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Speaker 11: at the front lines of the initial perimeter breach. You

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Speaker 11: had the meetups in North Carolina to transport all the

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Speaker 11: weapons right outside of Fort Bragg, which is which is

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Speaker 11: the psychological operation center of the DoD. You have these

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Speaker 11: you know, you have the pipe bomber's eyes being blurred

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Speaker 11: out on the videotapes, so he's not a felon. You

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Speaker 11: still can't get his eyes because if he was in

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Speaker 11: a military you know what much.

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Speaker 2: I think he's for I think he's he or she

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Speaker 2: is former military.

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Speaker 6: What you just proved though, the bottom line is all

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Speaker 6: these people who are so against Donald Trump are the

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Speaker 6: ones at this point who should be lawyering up because

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Speaker 6: they are the ones that have them. It's obvious it

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Speaker 6: was a FED surrection. Counter terrorism means counter populism.

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Speaker 2: We gotta have you back, Mike. We gotta have you back, okay, right,

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Speaker 2: because we got to go to a heart out and

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Speaker 2: we want you to stay with us. Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: The most beautiful national anthem ever sung, that of our

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Speaker 2: beloved jan Sixers, gentlemen, Hands over you, Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: hands over your heart. Thank you so much for trusting

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Speaker 2: us with two hours of your valuable time.

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Speaker 13: What I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States.

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Speaker 4: Of America, who rides and ride

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Speaker 13: Square, and to the Republic for which it stands, one

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Speaker 13: nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.