Speaker 1: Also media, welcome jac and appen here.
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Speaker 2: and I quote, have you been pregnant or have there
Speaker 2: been pregnancies?
Speaker 1: So I like, have that being pregnancies? Yeah? That was
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Speaker 1: a it's been a time, yeah, achievement in the world
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Speaker 1: being pregnant and then make you fucking labor unpaid for
Speaker 1: half a day to obtain your like basic hormone therapy
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Speaker 2: country that is more normal about healthcare.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the right word, but.
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Speaker 2: in which case it's about as.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, country which
Speaker 1: has a different approach at least at least like has
Speaker 1: accepted the fact that if we're going to have the
Speaker 1: state pay for like sending bombs to kill little children
Speaker 1: in Palestine, it should also pay for my incident, which
Speaker 1: I think is a good a good place to start.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, there's an ideal combination there. No we
Speaker 1: no one has yet reached.
Speaker 2: This is this is this is the task of international socialism,
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I will accept the necessity of the state
Speaker 1: only when it funds incident, not bonds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we we are here to talk about another
Speaker 2: incredibly violent state bureaucracy and the people who run it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking about a series of very bizarre
Speaker 2: and incredibly authoritarian crackdown so that democratic well governors, city councils,
Speaker 2: many many such cases, yeah, have have been have been
Speaker 2: invoking two nominally cracked down on crime, a thing that
Speaker 2: is down everywhere and has been down everywhere for a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I in many such cases. It's great that the
Speaker 1: Democrat like local politicians are now doing everything that we
Speaker 1: were warned that Republican president would do four years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really fun and I mean this is one
Speaker 2: of these things. So the place we're going to start
Speaker 2: is New York governor cultural I think houtral Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. New York keeps going through politicians faster, and
Speaker 2: I can learn how to pronounce their names. So with
Speaker 2: what they're gonna have, like Andrew Clobo, the fourth in power,
Speaker 2: by the time this episode goes out, there'll be like
Speaker 2: two There have been two new Kings of England.
Speaker 1: The secret sibling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not making a
Speaker 1: podcast about the royal family. Nonsense, we don't care, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: This is this is the best that you're getting out
Speaker 2: of that. But yeah, so Houtral has deployed seven hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty National guardsmen to stand outside of some subway stations.
Speaker 2: That's a tone wister. Try saying that one five times
Speaker 2: the beast in the mirror to like do bag checks
Speaker 2: and generally just sort of stand around and be intimidating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. I'm sure it's what those people signed
Speaker 1: up to do. I'm sure they feel fulfilled, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure everyone in New York feels safer and happier as
Speaker 1: a result of random people in camouflage being standing around
Speaker 1: a subway. Yeah, and we're going to get into this sort.
Speaker 2: Of emotional effective aspect of this, because that is ultimately
Speaker 2: what this is about. But I think, okay, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of sort of interesting aspects of this. So okay,
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of talk about what the sort
Speaker 2: of precursors to this are, and I'm gonna ask you
Speaker 2: about because there's a lot of national there's a lot
Speaker 2: of very weird, absolutely dog shit National Guard deployments that
Speaker 2: have happened.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yes there are I have Yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 1: can get onto that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think I think the most immediate predecessor
Speaker 2: to this that that leaps to mind. This is on
Speaker 2: thing I talk about on the show all the time,
Speaker 2: because everyone else seems to have completely forgotten it. I
Speaker 2: refused to let this be memory hold. Which is the
Speaker 2: time that my previous shitty mayor ordered a bunch of
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, ordered a bunch This is in February
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. This is this is pre uprising. Put just
Speaker 2: started putting swat teams on subways. Oh great, They immediately
Speaker 2: did the thing that swat team does, which is they
Speaker 2: started putting swat teams on the fucking red line. The
Speaker 2: immediately shot a guy for no reason, like I think
Speaker 2: I if I'm remembering correctly, the thing that originally they
Speaker 2: said it was fairrivation, And it wasn't fairrivation. It was
Speaker 2: the guy walked from one train car to another train car,
Speaker 2: a thing that like millions of people do every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and capital punishment for ferrivation is also wrong. I'm bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, look this guy somehow survived. They shot him back,
Speaker 2: but yeah, they also tasted him a bunch of times
Speaker 2: and then shot him, so right, good, yeah bad. However,
Speaker 2: thankfully this guy survived. But yeah, but this is something
Speaker 2: that that happens. This is only that you know, with
Speaker 2: the current crop of right wing mayors have been doing
Speaker 2: and you know, the twenty twenty one end, it was
Speaker 2: such a fiasco that even even like Chicago's machine well
Speaker 2: it wasn't really quite rechea, but like even Chicago's right
Speaker 2: wing Democrats were like, Okay, we probably shouldn't do this
Speaker 2: lest the swat teams have their like start the killing moment.
Speaker 2: But you know, so that that's like one sort of
Speaker 2: predecessor to this, And the second one is I wanted
Speaker 2: to actually ask you specifically about the Federal National Guard
Speaker 2: deployments on the border because I think, yes, that's the
Speaker 2: part of this has just been like disappeared.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Again, those have been like completely overlooked and
Speaker 1: kind of memory hold by most apparently like since since
Speaker 1: Biden came to power. Like there's there's a Texas state
Speaker 1: deployment right which we're very familiar with. They get cheated
Speaker 1: out of their their benefits. They tend to die from
Speaker 1: suicide from bringing their own firearms on deployment or getting
Speaker 1: drunk and driving around. They've had like higher casualties, and
Speaker 1: they've had deployments to a rock in their the Texas deployment, right,
Speaker 1: the federal one is different. I see these dudes often.
Speaker 1: It'sneely always dudes. Of course women could be deployed in
Speaker 1: the capacity, but I haven't seen them, and they are for
Speaker 1: the most part, like scared kids with firearms guarding prison
Speaker 1: camps full of children. Like I had one of these
Speaker 1: guys go to drawers pistol on me the other day
Speaker 1: because I was trying to alert him. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: like I guess, like it's it better in that situation that,
Speaker 1: like it's not my first time having someone draw a
Speaker 1: pistol on me, and I can tell them to sit
Speaker 1: down and stop being a dick. But this in this
Speaker 1: case where someone had was experiencing cardiac distress and I'd
Speaker 1: gone to the nearest person who I can do, right,
Speaker 1: Like I can't call an ambults and having to come
Speaker 1: in there. I have to go to either get BP
Speaker 1: to radio or in this case National Guide. But what
Speaker 1: they're doing is in addition to like guarding these open
Speaker 1: air attention sites on and off. Is they are conducting
Speaker 1: kind of surveillance along the border. So often see them
Speaker 1: with like surveillance arraysed cameras, I assume also like listening
Speaker 1: to radios and stuff like that. They're not actually like
Speaker 1: interdicting or resting vigrants. They're not supposed to be anyway.
Speaker 1: But what they's supposed to be doing is that that
Speaker 1: kind of having that surveillance capacity and I guess protection
Speaker 1: when it comes to the to the o ADS. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they are everywhere, Like I see these people all the
Speaker 1: time down here in you know, certainly on their eastern
Speaker 1: San Diego County border, and and they're all in rented
Speaker 1: vehicles as well, which is weird that they haven't got
Speaker 1: their humvees or whatever. It must be a significant expense.
Speaker 1: And obviously border crossings are not decreasing thanks to them
Speaker 1: being there, right they you know, they mostly like cruiser.
Speaker 1: I was out doing a water drop on Sunday and
Speaker 1: you'll see them cruising around the dirt roads and then
Speaker 1: obviously people therefore just avoid the road. It doesn't make
Speaker 1: it doesn't reduce migration like everything else. It just makes
Speaker 1: it more dangerous. But yeah, they've been here for a while.
Speaker 2: It's one of these things where you know they're they're
Speaker 2: doing okay. So like the guys in New York just
Speaker 2: basically seem to be standing around and doing bag checks,
Speaker 2: whereas those guys are doing a lot more. But I
Speaker 2: think there's one of the things that's been happening here
Speaker 2: and this has been this is you know, this is
Speaker 2: not just the focus has been on on the like
Speaker 2: the Republican textas deployments, right, but this is something that
Speaker 2: both the Republicans and the Democrats. This is from what
Speaker 2: we're seeking to ease. Yes, and the federal government have decided that,
Speaker 2: you know, the thing that we are going to be
Speaker 2: doing is what are what are and I mean active
Speaker 2: militia deployments Like that's insane like that that is a
Speaker 2: level of that is a level of authoritarianism. That is
Speaker 2: you know that that has become effectively normal, right, Like
Speaker 2: there was there wasn't I mean, there was kind of
Speaker 2: an outcry against the subway stuff, but like it hasn't stopped,
Speaker 2: like as best I could tell, like they're still out
Speaker 2: like yeah, like it not that all of it stopped.
Speaker 2: It that we've been you know what the thing that
Speaker 2: we've been forced to accept is not even not just
Speaker 2: you know, because we've already been forced to accept the
Speaker 2: sort of the militarization of the police, right, but now
Speaker 2: it's just straight up the total militarization of society to
Speaker 2: the extent that like, yeah, we just have a bunch
Speaker 2: of soldiers wandering around doing like random security checks and
Speaker 2: doing surveillance and like holding people in these open air prisons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and like deployed way outside their stay often, right,
Speaker 1: Like I think some of the people hear from Missouri
Speaker 1: or Illinois, like some of them the less kind of
Speaker 1: insane are you, You know, the people who mistake me
Speaker 1: if I guess for a member of the cartel, judging
Speaker 1: by that guy's actions or like some ridiculous somehow a
Speaker 1: threat to him. You know that we can talk to them,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's it's a very bullshit mission. And I
Speaker 1: think most of them would agree. Like further east, they're
Speaker 1: just like standing around by the border wall and the
Speaker 1: baking sun in the desert, just just yea doing security theater,
Speaker 1: but with as you said, real consequences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like the thing that is happening is
Speaker 2: these people have realized that the National Guard, if you
Speaker 2: are a senior enough state official, is just your private army.
Speaker 2: You could do whatever the fuck you want with it.
Speaker 2: And this is the thing that they're doing with it,
Speaker 2: and I think you should. You know, it's worth looking
Speaker 2: at what the sort of justification for this is.
Speaker 1: Which are probably also I neglected to mention that there
Speaker 1: are a dozen Republican governments governors who have deployed their
Speaker 1: National Guard to the border, right like not as part
Speaker 1: of the federal deployment, like to your private army thing.
Speaker 1: And I believe that North Dakota it's funded by a
Speaker 1: private individual, Like a private individual is covering the state's
Speaker 1: costs to deploy them to the border. Like this is nuts, yeah,
Speaker 1: fully insane, like serving as a fucking PMC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean we're seeing, you know, very explicitly,
Speaker 2: we're seeing this fusion of like personal state and corporate
Speaker 2: power and that's being used to just deploy a bunch
Speaker 2: of guys with guns to a bunch of random places.
Speaker 2: And you know, like it's worth mentioning that, Like crime
Speaker 2: rates are down, they're down year on year, they're down,
Speaker 2: like the broad trend is down. They're down, like like
Speaker 2: outrageous like I think it's not like almost like fifty
Speaker 2: percent or something from the nineties, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And likewise, the ratio of people crossing the border
Speaker 1: to agents to process and is it's much lower than
Speaker 1: it was in the nineties. You know, we have more
Speaker 1: border patrol agents, we have a more militarized board patrol.
Speaker 1: They have all these assets that were previously seen only
Speaker 1: like see a black Hawk all the fucking time. So
Speaker 1: like we call it a scrap hawk. It's like it's
Speaker 1: like several several black Hawks. It's like it's not any
Speaker 1: particular submodel of black Hawk. It's like the surviving pieces
Speaker 1: of several black Hawks. But yeah, they have a lot
Speaker 1: of kit that you would think would be military kit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, so I was I so when
Speaker 2: I was really good about this, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: so try how many crimes are actually happy on New
Speaker 2: York subway system. But I'm going to read this paragraph
Speaker 2: from Reuters because it is it is outrageous. There were
Speaker 2: thirty eight robberies and seventy thefts, including pickpocketing, on the
Speaker 2: subway system in February, compared to forty robberies and ninety
Speaker 2: eight thefts in the same month last year, according to
Speaker 2: police data, there were thirty five assaults, the same number
Speaker 2: as for February twenty twenty three. About ninety million trips
Speaker 2: were taken on the subway over the month. Now that
Speaker 2: is nuts the subway, including pickpocketing, right, you're at about
Speaker 2: one hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, reveal a trivial number of incidents.
Speaker 2: Ninety million trips, right, This means that like per trip,
Speaker 2: your odds of being pickpocketed are almost literally one in
Speaker 2: a million. This is this is about the same odds
Speaker 2: you have of being struck by lightning. You are seventeen
Speaker 2: times more likely to get killed by a b or
Speaker 2: bopsting than you are like pickpock, like pickpock, not even robbed,
Speaker 2: pickpocketed on the subway. Right, So there's I from what
Speaker 2: I can do, I think there was three killings on
Speaker 2: the New York Subway in February.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a shooting. I think today yesterday wasn't that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but this is the thing, So these things
Speaker 2: gonna get a lot of attention.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But again, thirty million trips, we're talking like maybe three
Speaker 2: maybe four people getting killed a month, So that's like
Speaker 2: one in thirty million rides. Yeah, someone gets shot. That's
Speaker 2: outrageously safe, Like that is bafflingly startlingly safe. But this,
Speaker 2: this sort of brings us to Wow. Okay, the thing,
Speaker 2: the thing that this immediately brings us to is an
Speaker 2: ad break.
Speaker 1: But it will be a second thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, I it's a good one.
Speaker 2: All right, we're back for the ads. We're bringing you
Speaker 2: actually amazingly advertisements. Part of what part of the whole
Speaker 2: thing's happening here, because you know, one of the one
Speaker 2: of the big drivers of what's happening in New York
Speaker 2: and the reason everyone thinks the subway is unsafe is
Speaker 2: New York's media market and very this is a like
Speaker 2: you know, so like the media market in the US
Speaker 2: is not good, right, but very specifically, the New York
Speaker 2: media market is absolutely batshit. They are nuts. And this
Speaker 2: is one of these things where you know, you may
Speaker 2: have like a one in thirty million chance of getting
Speaker 2: killed on a subway, but every single one of those
Speaker 2: thirty million like incidents, like why all those one thirty
Speaker 2: million is every single one of those is like front
Speaker 2: page news, right, because this is you know, this, this
Speaker 2: is both part of the part of the actual sort
Speaker 2: of conservative politics of these media organizations. They are you know,
Speaker 2: New York media market is dominated by a bunch of
Speaker 2: right wing tabloids and a bunch of newspapers that are
Speaker 2: normally not right wing but are. Yeah, and so you know,
Speaker 2: there's this sort of breathless coverage of every single time
Speaker 2: one of these attacks happened. And this is one of
Speaker 2: one of the things that Hutu very much like literally
Speaker 2: says about this. And you know, like we're at a
Speaker 2: point in this sort of crime cycle where enough journalists
Speaker 2: have been screamed at by people who are like the
Speaker 2: crime rates are all down, that the journalists have to
Speaker 2: include in the article a thing that's like the crime
Speaker 2: rates are down. This took like four years of just
Speaker 2: screaming at them. Eventually it worked. But you know, like
Speaker 2: Kuhl's like asked about this and she goes, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: it's it's about people feeling. It's about that, like the
Speaker 2: feeling that people have because they don't they don't seem
Speaker 2: to this n yeah, yeah, And you know, and this
Speaker 2: is one of these things where like this is like
Speaker 2: how insane the New York media market is over this
Speaker 2: stuff has had like an actual substance of political impact,
Speaker 2: and this is something that you know, the Democrats embrace
Speaker 2: of this sort of like, especially in New York, this
Speaker 2: like tough on crime thing has gotten to the point
Speaker 2: we're literally Eric Adams has to be the guy who's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: actually hold on, like it's the New York is safe.
Speaker 1: Please stop panicking. I got my bag, got.
Speaker 2: My police funding already, Please stop like fleeing the city
Speaker 2: in terror.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amusing though. That's similar to what's happening in
Speaker 1: San Diego, another city Democrat councilor mayor. Right, so we
Speaker 1: have this Gloria terrible mayor, serial bullshitter, and Gloria in
Speaker 1: the State of the City speech was saying we should
Speaker 1: be locking up criminals, not laundry detergent. This was his
Speaker 1: big line. He was very proud of I have successfully
Speaker 1: purchased laundry detergent that was not incarcerated since then. But
Speaker 1: I think he was talking about target. I guess apparently
Speaker 1: he's legislating for the interest of target. But you have
Speaker 1: then his opponent in the Maora race, who's a former
Speaker 1: marine cop Republican guy, being like, yo, I think we
Speaker 1: fucked up on our homelessness policy. We're just like criminalizing.
Speaker 1: This is not just the answer. And we've got Gloria
Speaker 1: to being like, no, lock him up, you know, like
Speaker 1: they're trying to push this. Is this continued, like this
Speaker 1: California bill that will force incarcerate people with mental illness
Speaker 1: right against their will. Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's fucking
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not bizarre because, like I think, so
Speaker 1: many Democrats and like certainly publications here have really leaned
Speaker 1: into like suburban grievance politics and you know, like fixed
Speaker 1: the potholes and make it so I don't have to
Speaker 1: see poor people is their entire ideology. But it's still
Speaker 1: I know, it's just kind of I don't I'm struggling
Speaker 1: for the words here. It makes me really fucking pissed off.
Speaker 1: The people who showed up to one or two BLM
Speaker 1: marches are now out there like barking for a second
Speaker 1: border wall and machine gunning the unhoused.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and this has had a especially
Speaker 2: in New York, this has had an actual This has
Speaker 2: been having a substantive, like electoral impact. One of the
Speaker 2: stories that kind of got buried in twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: is that you can actually if you look at the
Speaker 2: electoral map in twenty twenty two, you can actually literally
Speaker 2: see where the New York media market ends, because all
Speaker 2: of the districts in the New York media market became
Speaker 2: significantly more conservative. And this is this is and this
Speaker 2: is not a joke. This is literally this whole tough
Speaker 2: on crime shit is literally the thing like and in
Speaker 2: this New York media market, this this is what caused
Speaker 2: the Democrats the House because basically everywhere else in the
Speaker 2: country there was okay, so like like red districts shifted red.
Speaker 2: Every single district that was contested, like all of the
Speaker 2: sort of like purple blah blahh like the districts they
Speaker 2: all went, they all shifted to the left because of
Speaker 2: abortion stuff. But then specifically a bunch of the like
Speaker 2: what are supposed to be like very safe blue districts
Speaker 2: went red because they were all because all of them
Speaker 2: were doing this insane tough on crime stuff.
Speaker 1: And those seats, like the seats they.
Speaker 2: Lost in New York are the reason the Republicans have
Speaker 2: control of the House. So like, you know, this isn't
Speaker 2: working for them electorally, but they're still doing it because
Speaker 2: it's their ideology and we're gonna get into a bit
Speaker 2: more about why about that that part a second, But
Speaker 2: before we do that, I want to talk about I
Speaker 2: think another one of these things that has gotten kind
Speaker 2: of lost in the shuffle, which is do you do
Speaker 2: you do you You heard about the giant like DC crime
Speaker 2: Omnibus bill.
Speaker 1: About this? Yeah? Yeah, Like I will say, I'm not
Speaker 1: familiar with it other than like herring that it's bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so okay.
Speaker 2: So so in DC, the City Council passed this enormous
Speaker 2: sort of like giant set of like omnibus set of
Speaker 2: like policies are supposed to be there, like keep DC
Speaker 2: safe crime omnibus thing.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of things to note about this. One
Speaker 2: is that it's actually not as bad as it was
Speaker 2: originally going to be because there was so much like uproar,
Speaker 2: because I mean, the original one like had provisions that
Speaker 2: was like banning masks at protests and ship and it
Speaker 2: was like it was really bad and it got like nuked.
Speaker 2: But it's still really bad, and there's a lot of
Speaker 2: it's a lot of really weird kind of grievance stuff,
Speaker 2: Like there's this provision specifically that's supposed to be about
Speaker 2: like like targeting quote quote organized retail theft, which is
Speaker 2: one of the insane.
Speaker 1: This is yeah, this is one of the most like
Speaker 1: storm in a teacups that has been going for a
Speaker 1: while now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean there's also kind of like there's
Speaker 2: just a standard police stuff, which is it They're they're
Speaker 2: trying to expand pre trial attention on which they did.
Speaker 2: One of the the absolutely insane ones that have been
Speaker 2: declared unconstitutional, but apparently they're just back now is allowing
Speaker 2: police chiefs to designate certain areas quote drug free zones.
Speaker 1: Where yeah see, I'm I'm I'm confused.
Speaker 2: But basically what it lets it basically, what it lets
Speaker 2: you do is it lets the cops just harass a
Speaker 2: bunch of people even more than they already do, like
Speaker 2: mostly mostly what it does is just when you declare
Speaker 2: one of these areas it's where all the black people are,
Speaker 2: and then the cops just have cops in like an
Speaker 2: incredible like incredibly increased ability to just randomly stop people
Speaker 2: and search them.
Speaker 1: Right and yeah, ship stop and frisk law. Yeah, there's there.
Speaker 2: So there there is a thing that like part of
Speaker 2: the Mask provision stayed in force, which is that they're
Speaker 2: making it. Basically, it's like like wearing a mask with
Speaker 2: the intent to commit a crime is a crime, right,
Speaker 2: the cops like determine, right, your intent, So like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's one of those laws.
Speaker 1: Like they do this a lot with gun laws, right,
Speaker 1: they passed gun laws. It don't make anything that wasn't
Speaker 1: already illegal illegal. They just make it so that if
Speaker 1: they if you, if you, if you're caught, you're going
Speaker 1: to prison for longer.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, this this is actually there are there are
Speaker 2: provisions like that in this too. There's also a bunch
Speaker 2: of random like gun provisions. There's all the like more
Speaker 2: nuts ones, like there's there's one where cops can arrest you.
Speaker 2: So if if they're trying to cite you for not
Speaker 2: paying a toll, if they they they claim that you
Speaker 2: didn't pay a you didn't like pay a transit fare,
Speaker 2: you have to give them your full name and address
Speaker 2: and if they don't, and if you don't, they can
Speaker 2: arrest you.
Speaker 1: Which is nuts. This is like don't disrespect me on
Speaker 1: the train in front of everyone, nor, isn't it? That's
Speaker 1: what that is. It gets There's another one. There's another
Speaker 1: one which is like I I don't I don't.
Speaker 2: Have another way to describe it other than this is
Speaker 2: the this is the how to get Away with Murder bill,
Speaker 2: which is this is so one of the things that
Speaker 2: they're doing is letting cops review their own helmet footage
Speaker 2: before police inquiries.
Speaker 1: Right, ah, this is.
Speaker 2: This is the get the narrative straight bill?
Speaker 1: Do you also get to edit it? I don't.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so here's here's the thing about that quote
Speaker 2: unquote No, however come these things mysteriously vanish time serious?
Speaker 1: He disappears.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also like a whole thing about like there
Speaker 2: are certain groups of people who the cops can just
Speaker 2: like force DNA collections from.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, which is.
Speaker 2: It's a lot less broad than it used to be.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's still a provision in there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is a.
Speaker 2: Nightmare's bill that they've been able to pass. And you know,
Speaker 2: I think it's worth thinking about why this is actually happening,
Speaker 2: which is that all of this stuff, all of these
Speaker 2: are are sort of long range reaction to twenty twenty. Right,
Speaker 2: this is this, This was the sort of strategy after
Speaker 2: twenty twenty for rebuilding legitimacy of the police, and you know,
Speaker 2: and and and also now rebuilding sort of rebuilding the
Speaker 2: I don't know, psychological capacity, I guess to you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, just deploy a bunch of troops on US soil,
Speaker 2: right right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sort of building up that tolerant Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know, like this is all of this stuff
Speaker 2: is sort of born on you know, on on on
Speaker 2: protest crackdowns on one of the things that's also sort
Speaker 2: of worth noting about. This is all of this stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, the DC crime build but in the works
Speaker 2: for a long time. But the subway stuff is all
Speaker 2: stuff that happened like pretty quickly after they air ambush
Speaker 2: and all self in Malaysian. So a big part of
Speaker 2: this has been the sort of the democratic ruling class
Speaker 2: kind of losing their minds after watching how widespread twenty
Speaker 2: twenty was, watching the extent to which they were forced
Speaker 2: to like you know, like like there are democratic politicians
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty like talking about like I mean, there
Speaker 2: are like elected people talking about defunding the police. There
Speaker 2: are like they're all remember the weird like like that
Speaker 2: whole like kneeling thing in Congress they all do oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: The pitch of the morning Ken take with yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: ooh yeah. Powerful in sense of cringe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a lot of like, you know, there's
Speaker 2: there's just the sort of memory of that has been
Speaker 2: has been sort of drilled deep into into the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: And so what has been.
Speaker 2: Happening like like you know, and that what's been happening,
Speaker 2: and this has been happening in blue states very explicitly
Speaker 2: is this is this strategy of hypermilitarization with the explicit
Speaker 2: like not explicit, sorry, with the implicit but not very
Speaker 2: well concealed goal of putting everyone back in their place
Speaker 2: after twenty twenty. And that is extremely grim. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think, I don't know, I'm glad the DC stuff
Speaker 2: isn't as bad as it was original because the original
Speaker 2: one we're just like straight up a bunch of fascist shit.
Speaker 2: This is also fascist shit, but like not as unhinged
Speaker 2: as the original bills were. So you know, it's like
Speaker 2: like the tide of this stuff isn't inevitable, right, but
Speaker 2: also very very powerful factions of the Democratic Party have
Speaker 2: decided that this is the thing that they want to do,
Speaker 2: and it absolutely sucks, and you know, and and and
Speaker 2: and this is you know, and this is in a
Speaker 2: similar way to sort of the stuff on the border
Speaker 2: being bipartists. I mean, at some point I'm going to
Speaker 2: do an episode about the absolute shit show that's been
Speaker 2: happening in Chicago where yeah, they're like a a kid
Speaker 2: got fucking measles in one of these and one of
Speaker 2: the micro shelters and Pilsen in Chicago, and now the
Speaker 2: mayor's like evicting a bunch of a bunch of people
Speaker 2: from the bigrant shelters. Jesus, you know, so like there's
Speaker 2: a bi I mean, this is the thing like in Chicago.
Speaker 2: I mean there's just outside of like you know, we're
Speaker 2: like outside of just like basically every like Walgreens or
Speaker 2: just on street corners, there's a bunch of refugee families
Speaker 2: like just sitting out there in the cold, trying to
Speaker 2: get some money because there's fucking nothing for them here.
Speaker 2: And this is a bipartisan you know, this is this
Speaker 2: is a bipartisan political project.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Of you know, just sort of terror inflicted on most
Speaker 2: at people in society.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's really depressing to hear that, just because
Speaker 1: I know that, like, you know, I see people here
Speaker 1: and then they get out and my friends see them,
Speaker 1: and we turn into the airport and my friends feed
Speaker 1: them and look after them there, and they get on
Speaker 1: their planes and we hope for the best for them,
Speaker 1: you know, and then then yeah, they just go to
Speaker 1: some other city where some other dog shit democrats who
Speaker 1: lied four years ago is gonna do everything they can
Speaker 1: to make life as hard for them as possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The good thing is you have to vote for them
Speaker 1: while you're voting for fascismo oray. How sad?
Speaker 2: Yeah that that that That's what I got today. We'll
Speaker 2: be back tomorrow with something.
Speaker 1: What are we back there? Yeah, it will be a podcast.
Speaker 1: It's with tomorrow Friday. Oh yeah, tomorrow's Gaza day. So
Speaker 1: it's not getting anty better for you. Yeah, lucky you,
Speaker 1: lucky you. Tomorrow we'll be hearing from our friends at
Speaker 1: park or Gaza.
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